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Marlins Acquire Tanner Scott, Cole Sulser From Orioles

By Mark Polishuk | April 3, 2022 at 8:56pm CDT

8:56PM: Both teams have officially announced the trade.  To clear 40-man roster space for Scott and Sulser, the Marlins have designated left-hander Nick Neidert for assignment and placed lefty Sean Guenther on the 60-day injured list.  MLB.com’s Christina De Nicola reported Friday that Guenther was dealing with an arm injury that may require surgery.

5:52PM: The Marlins have acquired left-hander Tanner Scott and right-hander Cole Sulser from the Orioles.  MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported (Twitter links) Scott’s inclusion in the deal, while The Miami Herald’s Craig Mish reported that Sulser had also been dealt.  Feinsand reports that the Orioles will receive prospects Antonio Velez and Kevin Guerrero, a player to be named later, and the Marlins’ pick in Competitive Balance Round B of this summer’s amateur draft.

The bullpen was known to be a target area for Miami, and the Fish have now bolstered their relief core with a pair of experienced arms.  In Sulser, the Marlins have also found a new closer candidate, as Sulser saved eight games with Baltimore last season.  While the Marlins aren’t expected to have a full-time closer, there is a vacancy for the ninth inning, as Dylan Floro is expected to start the season on the injured list.

Sulser is a late bloomer who didn’t make his MLB debut until he was 29, so he is still controlled through the 2025 season even though he only recently celebrated his 32nd birthday.  Injuries played a factor in Sulser’s late start, as he underwent two Tommy John surgeries (one in college, and the other in 2015 when he was pitching in Cleveland’s farm system).  He finally surfaced in the majors with the Rays in 2019, and then came to Baltimore on a waiver claim at the end of the 2019 season.

After posting a 5.56 ERA over 22 2/3 innings in 2020, Sulser broke out with a 2.70 ERA over 63 1/3 relief innings for Baltimore last season.  Though his 8.9% walk rate ranked only in the 40th percentile of all pitchers (as per Statcast), Sulser’s 28.4% strikeout rate was well above average, and fit in the high strikeout totals he has posted during his minor league career.

Scott also hasn’t had much trouble missing bats, but the southpaw’s control issues have resulted in some inconsistent numbers over 156 Major League innings.  Scott has an ungainly 13.6% walk rate during his MLB career, which is a big reason why he has posted only a 4.73 ERA with the Orioles despite a 50.1% grounder rate and a 29.4% strikeout rate.

Between those numbers, Scott’s mid-90s fastball, and his three remaining years of arbitration control (Scott is set to earn $1.05MM this season after avoiding arbitration with the O’s), it is easy to see why Scott has drawn his share of trade buzz over the years.  As well, Sulser’s name also surfaced in trade rumors earlier this year, as the rebuilding Orioles continue to be open for business on pretty much everyone on the roster.

In fact, the Marlins themselves swung another notable bullpen trade with the O’s back in August 2020, picking up Richard Bleier.  Sulser and Bleier will now join Anthony Bass and Anthony Bender as Miami’s top save candidates, with Floro joining the mix when he returns to action.  It is quite possible more names might end up emerging as closer possibilities for manager Don Mattingly, or one of those relievers might pitch well enough to firmly establish themselves as the top choice for the ninth inning.

From Baltimore’s perspective, the CBR-B draft pick may be the biggest score of the trade return.  The Competitive Balance Rounds are two separate draft rounds that respectively take place after the first round and second round of the draft, with 15 teams (all falling within the bottom 10 of market or revenue size) getting a bonus pick in one of the two rounds.  For the 2022 draft, the Marlins were selected into CBR-B and had the first pick of that round.  As it so happens, Baltimore will now be picking first in both Competitive Balance Rounds, as the O’s also have the first selection of CBR-A.  The Competitive Balance picks are the only draft selections that are allowed to be traded.

Baseball America ranked Guerrero 29th and Velez 34th on their most recent list of the Marlins’ top 40 prospects.  Guerrero is a 17-year-old outfielder who was part of the 2020-21 international signing class, and he hit .260/.373/.298 in 159 PA this past summer with the Marlins’ Dominican Summer League squad.  BA’s scouting report describes him as something of a work in progress, as his “future will be based around the way his body develops,” given that Guerrero is already 6’3″ but only 165 pounds.

Velez is a Miami native who wasn’t drafted coming out of Florida State, owing to the shortened nature of the 2020 draft.  Baseball America credited Velez as having the best changeup and best control of any pitcher in the Marlins’ farm system, which is no small achievement given all of the high-profile young arms in Miami’s minor league ranks.  In addition to that quality changeup, Velez’s “low-90s fastball is amplified by vertical break that borders on double-plus.”

While the Orioles continue to bolster their minor league ranks, today’s trade marks yet another move that depletes the MLB roster.  Sulser was tentatively set to act as Baltimore’s closer, and since Scott was also in the mix for save chances, it is now an open question as to who will end up getting ninth-inning duties.  Paul Fry, Jorge Lopez, and Dillon Tate look like the next men up on the depth chart, though any number of pitchers could be cycled through depending on performance, shifting roles, injuries, and perhaps more trades.

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  1. Rangers29

    3 years ago

    Cole Susler has the biggest cult following of any relatively unknown reliever that I’ve ever seen.

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    • JeffreyChungus

      3 years ago

      phillips valdez

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      • Rsox

        3 years ago

        Valdez had one great outing for the Sox agsinst the Yankees. Thats all it takes…

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    • bobtillman

      3 years ago

      Dan O’Dwd loves Sulser…. interesting deal. O’s definitely playing for the future, as in Star date 2436.

      (Of course, after DOD’s Colorado FA pitching signings, gotta scratch your head. Nah. he’s pretty sharp.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      3 years ago

      Of course, because “a-Cole-Sulser” spells relief, allowing him to compete for the Rolaid’s award.

      youtube.com/watch?v=bxjb2UJZ-5I

      youtube.com/watch?v=VFKifpMtlNs

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  2. You Can Put It In The Books

    3 years ago

    Max Meyer, Edward Cabrera and a PTBNL

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    • tonypro7

      3 years ago

      PTBNL is Alcantara of course.

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  3. birdsfan415

    3 years ago

    bad deal for O’s

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    • just_thinkin

      3 years ago

      Great deal for the Os. Spare parts for young prospects and a pick.

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      • NyyfaninLAA land

        3 years ago

        Excepting the fact that the O’s lack parts, let alone spare parts.

        These prospects aren’t anything real special here – neither were top 30 for Miami on MLB, 1 was #29 on BA. Maybe the PTBNL becomes a something. And the pick is nice, end of round 2, but also no guarantee.

        It just means the O’s just moved 2 active roster guys with years of control left for 2 prospects that are both rather far from projecting as big league roster pieces. Add more cycle time to the rebuild.

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        • irz8130

          3 years ago

          Add more time? You think those 2 relievers were going to be part of a winning team in Baltimore? They’re going to lose a lot of games this year, and probably next year too- winning a couple more games this year and next does nothing to their horizon.

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        • Jim Carter

          3 years ago

          I don’t think there’s an intention of having a winning team in Baltimore. When in the world would it take place? I can’t envision anyone on the current roster who will still be in their prime. Adley and Grayson can’t do it alone, assuming both amount to something. They could turn out to be another Wieters and Bundy.

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        • reakin1

          3 years ago

          Let’s see… the team needs pitching, so let’s trade away pitchers. Perfect elias rationale

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    • amk1920

      3 years ago

      Getting a comp B pick and a few lottery tickets for a couple of older RPs? That’s fine for them

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      • 2012orioles

        3 years ago

        So is that pick pretty much an early 3rd rounder?

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        • Jbigz12

          3 years ago

          Think it’s more about the extra scratch that pick adds to your draft pool. They can now go higher over slot on another early pick.

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        • iverbure

          3 years ago

          It’s baffling how people on here that follow baseball don’t understand how the draft works and why teams value picks. This is a slamdunk win for the orioles.

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        • CHS O'sFan

          3 years ago

          But you can get decently enticing talent with that Comp B pick. Lowther and Stowers were both Comp B picks and both will likely get purchase with the O’s this year. In an average system a normal comp B pick probably slots in as the number 20-25 prospect out of the draft. Or if they use the $1 Mil in pool money with that spot on their Comp A or 2nd rounder, you probably get a guy who was expected to be a mid 1st rounder. That tends to be a guy who ends the season as a top 150 prospect in the game with a good debut. Either way, that pick is the real score unless the PTBNL drops our jaw.

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        • reakin1

          3 years ago

          Keep paying those mlb prices for double A talent

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  4. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    3 years ago

    Well, this is surprising

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    • Samuel

      3 years ago

      @ Lefty_Orioles_Fan;

      Am wondering about Mike Elias’ strategy.

      He’s only had since November, 2018. However, between this trade and more seasoning for Rutschman it seems the beginning of his window of contention is maybe 2024-25. If so, I don’t know why they need / risk Mullins and Means for 2 more years as their FA clocks get closer.

      The Astros took a lot longer of course, and that paid off with a sustainable contender ever since they emerged from the rebuild. So…….

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      • Astros2017&22Champs

        3 years ago

        My opinion is mike was truly starting from scratch with the orioles. At least when he and luhnow took over the Astros we already had Keuchel, altuve, and springer marinating on the farm. The Orioles rebuild is the toughest ive seen in the last 2 decades. Especially considering its the loaded al east.

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        • Samuel

          3 years ago

          @ Astros2017Champs;

          You undoubtedly know more than me. But the big thing Luhnow did was build an infrastructure of department heads, scouts and coaches that used technology to not only find players to bring in, but to develop / rework them and then recalibrate them when they got off course.

          All that took buying equipment and people that could keep it up to date and maintain it; going through a learning curve for baseball people to work with it; and building trust between employees at all levels to work together for the good of the franchise.

          I don’t know how much Elias’ inherited. From what I’ve heard the Orioles organization was light years behind the times technically.

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      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        3 years ago

        His rebuild has been unabated
        Elias hasn’t even tried
        And since they receive shared revenue and never give it
        I gotta believe the league has to be it a bit annoyed.

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        • BirdBelter

          3 years ago

          Elias has built #1 Farm system in baseball rated by Fangraphs and mlbpipeline. Rated 4 by BA. HAVE DR facilities and a player in International now. That is trying and succeeding.

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        • Jameison R.

          3 years ago

          He’s eeyore. Everything he post is pessimistic. Elias has done a great job and will continue to do great. Tired of all the negative bs.

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        • Wildbillpecos

          3 years ago

          I don’t think you can say succeeding until it turns until results at the big league level. He had a huge undertaking for sure when he took over with a big league roster that had collapsed, a bottom of the league farm, 0 international scouting/player development and a barren analytics department. But that doesn’t mean you should completely ignore your big league roster for half a decade.

          He’s signed like a total of 3 major league free agent contracts in 4 offseasons and has not proven adept so far at finding value in the scrap heap or lower level signings- he’s drafted well and acquired a lot of high upside hitting prospects but he’s going to have to start acquiring and hitting on starting pitching talent in free agency to have any chance to win more than 70 games in the next 3 years m.

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        • BirdBelter

          3 years ago

          No.You can’t rate the MLB team until prospects get there. We all know there is a certain failure rate for prospects. You judge the rebuild and Elias on his prospects. Superior rankings are evident. You will have plenty of time to critique MLB Os in 2024.

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        • Dorothy_Mantooth

          3 years ago

          What put the Orioles so far behind was their refusal to participate/scout in the IFA market. They finally changed this philosophy a few years back and it is finally starting to pay off. This has to be the last year of tearing down the roster in Baltimore. All they have left to trade is Means and then they can turn this club over to the rookies. I’d much rather watch Baltimore play their rookies and lose a 100 games vs. watching players like Matt Harvey go out there and help them lose 100 games. Eventually, their talent will develop and they will start winning but they need to start brining the kids up this year and let them get their feet wet.

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        • NyyfaninLAA land

          3 years ago

          That’s fine if that’s the choice their making

          The question then becomes why should other clubs pour money into ownerships pocket via revenue sharing money they won’t spend. Lets remember that draft and IFA spending is capped.

          And they aren’t loaded with prospects ready to jump into the majors soon. Only 4 of their 13 50 + grade prospects on MLB have played in ’21 only at AA or above.. I guess I could add G Rod and Stowers with significant time in AA or AAA. Last I checked 6 guys is 20 short of a team. Their current 40 man is loaded with “maybes if I squint”. What guys would a couple of lower priced FAs get in the way of, guys that might bring a trade return at the deadline? Who of consequence were Sulser and Scott blocking? If the O’s are hoping to start becoming relevant in ’24 or ’25, Sulser would still only be arb eligible at that point. And contrary to the general feeling that guys are done at age 30, plenty of relievers remain productive well into the their 3rd decade. At least they were functional, and possibly worth more than the O’s got here if held until the trade deadline.

          1 of these prospects could maybe be called a “lottery ticket” (we all know how effective that is as an investment strategy). The other is a 25 YO pitcher who pitched at AA and A+. Maybe the PTBNL and the draft pick will prove to be better prospects. Guess we’ll see.

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        • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

          3 years ago

          Eeyore, LOL

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        • holecamels35

          3 years ago

          Shouldn’t take 7 years to rebuild a team, this is what’s still wrong with baseball and wasn’t addressed in the CBA. As a Pirates fan, they just seemed doomed. If their prospects actually hit like other teams I’d be optimistic, but they always let them rot in the minors until 25 then they bust.

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        • reakin1

          3 years ago

          Maybe should take a lesson from the Rangers.

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        • Ra

          3 years ago

          It has been 3 years and one of those season was 60 games. But yeah sure, you feel like it has been 7.

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  5. DonOsbourne

    3 years ago

    Interesting. Maybe the Marlins aren’t mailing it in after all. The NLE gets more interesting with each passing day. I can’t wait for the season to start!

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    • mlb1225

      3 years ago

      Marlins did go out and trade for Jacob Stallings and Joey Wendle, and sign Avisail Garcia, Jorge Soler. They made their fair share of improvements this off-season.

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      • Samuel

        3 years ago

        Agree.

        A few eye-popping moves seldom work unless a team is already a contender. Strong teams are built on a series of smart moves whose cumulative effect is far stronger.

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      • DonOsbourne

        3 years ago

        That’s fair. And I’m not a Marlins fan, but many commenters on this site who are, mentioned the bullpen as a major need and until now not much had been done to improve it. Also CF still looks like a problem spot and Garcia and Soler could just be guys. It seems like a team emphasizing run prevention would prioritize CF. This trade was a good move though.

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        • Samuel

          3 years ago

          Agree Dan.

          Yes, CF is a problem; and putting Garcia or Solar there for any length of time would be a disaster. But with a shortage of quality CF’s in MLB today there’s not much Ms. Ng can do at this point. The Marlins are hardly in a must-win-2022 mode. Getting better and looking for the next opportunity is all the FO can do.

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    • Prospectnvstr

      3 years ago

      DonOsbourne: If you’ve been paying attention, you’d have noticed that the Marlins have a young competitive rotation. They have some solid, not star, players in place. Then they made their signings/trades. Now they’re addressing another need. The N.L. EAST will be a very competitive division. It wouldn’t surprise me if the division winner comes up short of 90 wins due to knocking each other around. FWIW, I’m a Braves fan.

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      • DonOsbourne

        3 years ago

        I have been paying attention. I’m well aware of the Marlins rotation and and the moves they’ve made this offseason. I have twice applauded tis trade. My criticism is that while they may have improved, they left some holes on the roster. But thanks for the explanation.

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  6. pinkerton

    3 years ago

    Cole Sloosher

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  7. Dan Rogers

    3 years ago

    Not a bad deal for the marlins. I didn’t even know rip from Yellowstone could pitch

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    • Dan Rogers

      3 years ago

      Meh. I thought it was funny.

      Still a good move for Miami.

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  8. seamaholic 2

    3 years ago

    Guerrero is a big time international signee with major tools. He’s the get here, but still seems a little light.

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    • pittsburghbob69

      3 years ago

      Well Yiddi Cappe was Marlins big international signing(3.5M). Guerrero signed for 600K. Was tied(4th and 5th) most expensive signing. So big time international signing; not so much. Wasn’t even a top 100 signing in MLB. That’s not a “big time” signing. But he got some tools. Big frame. Long ways away though. If ever.

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      • pittsburghbob69

        3 years ago

        The comp pick is the big get here.

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  9. positively_broad_st

    3 years ago

    Velez walked 11 batters in 99 innings, plus 10 homers allowed. Maybe he’ll end up in the O’s bullpen later this summer…

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    • mlb1225

      3 years ago

      Dude had a walk rate under 3%, BB/9 of 1.0, and HR/9 of .91. Don’t see how you can complain about those numbers.

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      • NyyfaninLAA land

        3 years ago

        Of course those are A ball numbers by a 24 YO.

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        • TheEMillerShow

          3 years ago

          Guy was lights out in AA to end the year, where he was a year younger than the average player. 18 IP, 18 Ks, 2 BBs, 1 ER.

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  10. Samuel

    3 years ago

    Miami’s weakness is the bullpen. Along with their non-descript offense (and at best) passable defense it undermines their starting pitching.

    Nice move by Ms. Ng.

    Need a few more…..

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    • Steinbrenner2728

      3 years ago

      Okay, we get it, the GM for the Marlins is a woman. Thanks for reminding us, Samuel.

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      • Samuel

        3 years ago

        You’re childish.

        I often write comments about male FO heads with the prefix “Mr.”

        What is it about treating people equally that upsets you? But don’t feel bad – most Americans on all sides have a problem with that. They’re either wanting to go back to a time that never was, or fighting for a utopia that will never be…….follow the money.

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        • You Can Put It In The Books

          3 years ago

          Wow, how long were you waiting to pull that dookie out of your arse

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  11. orioles-magic

    3 years ago

    Orioles have 5 picks in the top 75, along with a PTBNL. This trade can’t be judged by current players announced

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    • Samuel

      3 years ago

      It has a chance to be a win-win……or forgotten.

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  12. Basketball geek

    3 years ago

    Marlins are going to be competitive… Starting pitching is lights out.. if they can get the hitting together, they will hang out and be in the race all year…

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  13. JoeBrady

    3 years ago

    I can see this both ways, but I like it for BA. Sulser has one good season in his career. He’s no lock for continued success. The pieces that BA picked up look like an RP, sooner rather than later, a decent prospect, and another draft pick. For a rebuilding team, I think that’s the way to go.

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    • BirdBelter

      3 years ago

      All things being equal I think it is a good deal for the Orioles. Not a great deal because both pithers can be very good and have some control.

      But, the Orioles have a ton of younger RPs that look good w more control. There are also a bevy of 4/5th Sp types and most will go to the Pen. So 2 prospects and a pick works great. GRAYSON RODRGZ..DL HALL AND BRADISH are real close.

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  14. mike156

    3 years ago

    Extra picks upon extra picks. If you minimize the high revenue team’s access to top level prospects, sooner or later they have to buy in the Free Agent market, It’s an incompatibility in the CBA. As is the QO in some cases. The uber-wealthy Mets can offer a QO to Conforto knowing he;s not worth the price, but the worst that happens to them is that they overpay for one year, the best, they get a pick with no real risk. It’s a hidden value in some players if they are on the right team–to the team.

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  15. C Yards Jeff

    3 years ago

    “a player to be named later”. What exactly does that mean? How is it determined?

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    • mike156

      3 years ago

      The teams have agreed on a player (or a group of players, of which one may be selected) in advance) but don’t want to announce it (usually for roster reasons)

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      • C Yards Jeff

        3 years ago

        Makes sense. Thanks.

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      • killertofu

        3 years ago

        I didn’t know that as well. Thank you.

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    • bobtillman

      3 years ago

      PTBNL can’t be anyone on the 40. Likely, the O’s have about 3 or 4 players from which they can pick. Fish and O’s pretty much play in the same leagues in the minors (I think; hard to remember with the reorganization) so they’ll be ample opportunity to scout. I think the time frame is 60 days.

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      • C Yards Jeff

        3 years ago

        Interesting. Thanks!

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      • DarkSide830

        3 years ago

        i dont think that’s true. havent dudes been dealt for themselves in the past as PTBNL?

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        • tstats

          3 years ago

          One guy yes

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    • DarkSide830

      3 years ago

      it’s usually that both teams chose a few players and the acquiring team makes a choice on which one they want down the road.

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  16. mstrchef13

    3 years ago

    I think that Elias and Co. decided that despite his big arm that Scott just isn’t going to figure out how to throw enough strikes to be valuable, and Sulser is already 30. The O’s have a lot of pitchers knocking on the door so this lets them keep a bunch of piggyback options available while gaining more future assets.

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  17. HalosHeavenJJ

    3 years ago

    Pretty interesting to snag three bullpen pitchers from the same team.

    Not sure if that’s been done before.

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    • gorav114

      3 years ago

      From team that lost 100 games and had worst era in baseball

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  18. 2012orioles

    3 years ago

    He’ll be a stud. Has electric stuff. Just no control at all. Never seen a lefty throw high 90s with a wipeout slider be as bad as he is

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    • gorav114

      3 years ago

      Walk the bases loaded and then strike out the next 3

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      • 2012orioles

        3 years ago

        Exactly. Go Steelers

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        • gorav114

          3 years ago

          Guess u get 2 last place teams in 2022.

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        • 2012orioles

          3 years ago

          Hahaha

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  19. grant77

    3 years ago

    Trading Cimber for nothing and then dealing assets to get Sulser a few months later is an awfully puzzling move. They surely would have been better off to just keep Cimber.

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    • formerlyz

      3 years ago

      Not puzzling when you are a Marlins fan. Just business as usual

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  20. DarkSide830

    3 years ago

    between Bleier, Sulser, and Scott, BAL has traded a few decent RP for relatively little. i get the age, but they are still cheap and controllable.

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    • killertofu

      3 years ago

      Sulser and Scott are very inconsistent, especially Scott. Sulser had one good year. Expect a lot of walks from these guys.

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  21. DarkSide830

    3 years ago

    DD, please get Neidert

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  22. jints1

    3 years ago

    I think the Orioles might be losing fans with this tanking strategy. This is probably a good deal for the future but their current staff takes a bit of a hit and probably results in a few more losses. I worry about their future in Baltimore. I love Camden Yards and want to see them ultimately succeed but it’s taxing me.

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    • mt in baltimore

      3 years ago

      Orioles fan base has been decimated.

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  23. NattyBroh

    3 years ago

    The only thing exciting about the Orioles is the performance of the prospects in the minors. There is no reason to watch a major league game. If you are John Means, you have to think why am I with this club? I have no real relief pitchers to protect my lead and help me earn the win. I read here on MLB Trade Rumors that the O’s are considering Matt Harvey – possibly as their closer. I get that there needs to be a rebuild, but they have been far too cheap with the major league club which is bad for all of baseball. And guys like Means.

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    • killertofu

      3 years ago

      You have no clue about the Orioles. Matt Harvey is not being considered as a pitcher on this team. He is currently a free agent and even if he were to sign with us what in the world makes you think that he would be a closer?! Are you serious?! Lmao!

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  24. Phillies2017

    3 years ago

    I think July is going to be interesting for the Orioles. They have two really high profile trade chips in Means and Mullins, and I’d imagine Chirinos and Mancini are flipped as well, assuming performance warrants it. Obviously, Mancini doing what he’s been known to do can net the O’s some nice prospects, and catcher’s are always in demand, especially those with postseason experience.
    Another interesting candidate is Chris Owings, assuming his contract is purchased. Yes, he’s no superstar, but a guy who can play almost any position at his salary, is at least valued at a lottery ticket. While his 2021 was bolstered by an unsustainable BABIP, his spring showing has at least been encouraging. If he’s able to put up an OPS of .720, he might get a #25-#30 organizationally ranked prospect.

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  25. MarlinsFanBase

    3 years ago

    Well, this is interesting.

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  26. formerlyz

    3 years ago

    The Marlins told me 2 years ago that they traded Gallen b/c they had Neidert

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    • ludafish

      3 years ago

      Eh , I still don’t really care about losing Gallen. He’s good. But we got Jazz. I still love his upside. Gallen has been wasted on a bad team and would have been wasted on a bad team. If in 2 years Jazz doesn’t become what he can oh well. it was a risk worth taking . Especially now when we have like 8-9 guys who could pitch in the majors who any team would love (Well maybe not Sixto cause he can’t stay healthy what a shame)

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  27. Peart of the game

    3 years ago

    Nick Neidert is a right handed pitcher, not a lefty.

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    • ludafish

      3 years ago

      And someone they are messing up developmentally. I’m not saying he’s an ace but he has quality stuff and scouts like him. Yet the fish never give him a chance and bounce him around the pen in the majors, spot start, minors, major bullpen, minors….ugh. he’s going to end up somewhere else and become good at something. Like a good #4-5 or a great 2 inning reliever. Just have to stick him in a role and let him stay there.

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  28. ludafish

    3 years ago

    Bender for closer. Mattingly shave those sideburns and get serious man.

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  29. rhswanzey

    3 years ago

    If Neidert is injured, why DFA? Why not just place him on the 60-day DL? I don’t understand that at all. I’d be really, really happy to pay a finished 40+/45 command/back end starter with team control left, to rehab for 16 months.

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    • Habeto

      3 years ago

      This is a good move BUT How come they preferred Campbell over Neidert?
      This is one of those: Garcia, Wittgren, I-don’t-understand-why let goes…
      O’s fans: You got a great guy in Vélez. He was quite ‘underrated’ last year given the surplus of arms and his age.

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      • BirdBelter

        3 years ago

        I was just checking out the story and stats on Velez. The Os might be able to get Neidert on waivers..netting 4 prospects plus the 2nd Rd CB pick. The pick is the primary here as CB picks have worked out for Elias.

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  30. Thornton Mellon

    3 years ago

    A highly rated minor league system does nothing if the MLB team is kept cheap and crappy, on the way to losing 100 games again at the MLB level. I had them at 61-101 but after trading one of its few competent players left, I may have to take that down.
    Prospects are NOTHING until they come up and start recording MLB stats. Anyone who has paid attention to the Orioles over the past 3+ decades can count on two hands the number of prospects they drafted and home grew into actual high performing players for the Orioles. Especially starting pitchers, where there was Mike Mussina…and…crickets.
    All this does is reinforce my belief that the Orioles’ rebuild will never end. Anyone who performs at the MLB level will not get a second contract, they will be traded for prospects. They have no interest in making their MLB product better, just serving as a developmental team for other teams.

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    • BirdBelter

      3 years ago

      Permanent rebuild ?

      Elias first Draft was 2019…2020 was only 5 draft selections…2021 selections just getting their feet wet in low minors.

      Still Elias has farm ranked #1 by both Fangraphs and MlbPipeline and #4 by Baseball America. In addition Elias is investing in International Draft and building new facilities in the Dominican Republic.

      Elias is doing great

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      • Thornton Mellon

        3 years ago

        47-115
        54-108
        (covid)
        52-110
        That’s what matters to fans. Give me 20 prospects in one hand and a dollar in the other, I want the dollar.
        Great that the ultra low minors where 1 in 100 makes the majors is better. But where are the trades to make the MLB team better with MLB players? Where are the free agent signings? And I’m not talking about Jordan Lyles.
        No team in the modern era can completely rebuild a team without 1. building around actual performing players and 2. getting missing pieces from outside. Not even the Rays.
        But yet here we are in 2022 still trading anything that’s not tied down, guaranteeing that not only 2022 is a tank, but so is 2023 and probably 2024. Mancini has a one year deal – he’ll be traded for prospects this summer. If they get an offer they like, they will trade Mullins and/or Mountcastle this summer. What are they keeping and building around? Rutschman? Well in 2026, he’ll be traded for prospects because the team will STILL be losing 100 a season.
        I just don’t see where the cycle breaks. Its the perpetual “build for a future” that no one can ever see coming. Every year it will be pushed back for a year, just like it has already been done (when Elias was hired, all the word was by 2021 or 2022, things will be on the upswing).

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        • Buck Fiden

          3 years ago

          Don’t jump man, it’ll be OK!
          2022 is the last year the O’s will suck. By mid 2023 almost all of the relevant prospects will be on the MLB team. That 2023 squad should be close to .500 and the following offseason you begin to see the trading additional prospects for major league pieces and signing free agents with tons of money to spend.
          One more year of crap, just turn off MASN and get an MILB subscription for 2022 and enjoy getting a sneak peek at a bright future.

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        • Ra

          3 years ago

          Where was Elias in 2018? Not in Baltimore, bubba. Try harder.

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        • You Can Put It In The Books

          3 years ago

          Such an angry elf.

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    • Ra

      3 years ago

      The Orioles season record will not have been affected one iota by trading Sulser. And if you meant Scott was “one of its few competent players,” you should take another shot. btw: What does “one of its few competent players `LEFT`” mean. Who else but Matt Harvey, Pedro Severino and Hunter Harvey `LEFT` from the October 40-man? PS: Not one of those 3 players would change the team’s 2022 record by a single game.

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