The Marlins have hung around baseball’s competitive landscape the last couple of seasons, buoyed by a dynamic young starting rotation. Their offense, however, consistently underwhelms. Thus far in 2022, however, neither the pitching nor the offense has been able to escape the torpid middle. The Marlins are tied for 13th overall in the Majors with a 3.85 team ERA, and they are similarly tied for 13th overall on the offensive end with a 104 wRC+.
It still likely wouldn’t surprise anyone to hear they might be looking for bats. The latest scuttlebutt has the Marlins “pushing hard” for outfielder Ramon Laureano, according to Peter Gammons (via Twitter). The irony, of course, is that center field has been a particular need for the Fish since dealing Starling Marte to the A’s last season. Marte now plays for the rival Mets, and the A’s are in a position to deal.
The Marlins invested heavily in their outfield this offseason, adding both Jorge Soler and Avisail Garcia to young trade acquisitions Jesus Sanchez and Bryan De La Cruz. But they weren’t able to find their long-term answer in center. Sanchez has held his own (93 wRC+, -1 DRS, 0.5 fWAR), but Laureano certainly brings a panache to outfield glove work that the Marlins may find appealing. Laureano has traditionally rated well defensively, and he doesn’t want for offensive firepower either, owning a career 117 wRC+ over 1,392 career plate appearances.
Of course, the A’s have to be willing to give him up as well. At 21-43 on the year, Oakland is firmly in a step-back year, and given their history, anyone is likely to be on the table, particularly an almost-28-year-old veteran like Laureano. GM David Forst has gone on record saying that no one is off-limits on the roster, writes Matt Kawahara of the San Francisco Chronicle. Of course, that’s long been the company line for the A’s, particularly when they enter a sell-off period, as they did this past winter.
With true two-way center fielders being relatively tough to come by these days, however, Laureano figures to be a popular target. The A’s, for their part, may have found his successor in Cristian Pache, though Pache’s 27 wRC+ practically begs the A’s to reconsider. Laureano is still firmly in his prime, and with two more seasons of team control beyond this year, the A’s should feel no particular pressure to move him.
So while the Marlins may very well do their due diligence on Laureano, the A’s have resisted the temptation to deal him thus far. If they do ultimately decide that Laureano adds more long-term value as a trade asset than as their everyday right fielder (and Pache insurance), they can likely find more suitors beyond the Marlins. The Brewers, Padres, Phillies, Red Sox, and Dodgers join the Marlins as bottom-10 teams in terms of fWAR production from their center fielders, while the Guardians, Astros, and Rays land in the bottom 10 by wRC+. That’s no shortage of competitive clubs with a need in the grass.
Speculatively speaking, the Phillies may present the biggest challenger to the Marlins in terms of their interest. Philadelphia, like the Marlins, has been active in their search for a long-term center fielder, and they don’t appear to have that guy in their pipeline. We know the Phillies are doing what they can to compete, and as of right now, they’re doing a better job than the Marlins in that regard – they sit three games ahead of the Marlins in the standings, though still 8.5 games behind the division-leading Mets.
Of course, whether or not the Phillies have the prospects to properly woo Oakland is another question entirely. The Marlins have long been touted for their depth of young starting pitching, and if they decide to deal from that pool, Laureano may be the type of piece they would target. For now, however, the decision is still Oakland’s to make.
hiflew
Cristian Pache is not a successor to anyone other than maybe Lewis Brinson in the category of overhyped outfielder incapable of playing at the big league level.
bhambrave
The A’s should send Pache down to Single-A or Instructionals and start over again on his offense. He’s a mess.
getrealgone2
Yeah, he’s a defensive replacement.
formerlyz
I’d rather have Brinson than Avisail Garcia right now
hiflew
Avi is struggling this year, but he is still better than Brinson’s best year. And Avi has proven to be much better in the bigs. I doubt Brinson ever will.
sorrynotsorry
A’s should trade every single player they get a call on. That team is a dumpster fire with wings flying into a volcano.
oaklandfan22
I agree
Yankee Clipper
“A’s should trade every single player they get a call on.”
– Don’t worry, they do.
A'sfaninUK
2009 was 13 years ago, the Yankees are an irrelevant team in the 2000’s. Win ONE ring in the last decade before talking smack.
Yankees stole Judge from the A’s too. We drafted him first.
Yankee Clipper
Fair enough, but, Yanks are in the postseason nearly every season, and the A’s haven’t won a ring in the past….. 30+ years? Yankees won 5 since then; just saying.
But, how did they “steal Judge” from the A’s? I’m a bit curious about that one … genuinely curious.
I like the A’s org. They’re a great franchise. I hope they don’t move. I also hope they stop acting like they’re poor and build a 70’s-type franchise again.
Yanks4life22
How is it talking smack when that is completely accurate and can be supported by mountains of evidence?
You’re also aware 1989 was 20 years before 2009 right?
Ronk325
Pay no mind to A’sfan when he goes off on his anti Yankees rants. He’s just another deluded fan who thinks his team has a rivalry with the Yankees for whatever reason
Crab L. Winston
Yeah, man. The Yankees stole Judge alright! They took a 31st round flier on him coming out of high school in 2010 at which point he decided not to sign and then passed on Judge three years later when he was draft eligible in college. The Yankees took him 32nd overall after the A’s passed on him at 24 to take all-timer Billy McKinney.
The good news is that Judge will be a free agent at the end of the 2022 season and the A’s will have another crack at him then!
StudWinfield
@A’sfan
Or you’re just salty because A’s drafted McKinney 8 slots before Judge the second time he was available. How’d that work out?
Joe says...
In A’sfan’s world, the Yankees eventually stole McKinney from the A’s too.
kidfavre4
Yeah they drafted him first out of HS, and then they chose Billy McKinney 8 picks before the Yankees drafted him at 32nd overall in 2013. No stealing there whatsoever.
Chucky25
They didn’t steal Judge,he decided to go to college instead after the A’s drafted him. Which could have cost him money he might have made the majors at a younger age if he’d skipped college it’ll be interesting to see how many years someone offers him
bravesfan0618
Doesn’t matter if A’s drafted Judge or not. They would have traded him within 3 years.
pinstripes17
Brokeland is the joke of the league, all is right in the world.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
Marlins should be selling not adding.
gcg27
I don’t get pushing for him.. look at his numbers.. they are horrible
Crab L. Winston
‘The Marlins need offense’
**want a guy with a .242/.326/.358 triple slash coming off a steroid suspension**
Zachary D Manprin
He’s above league average 103 OPS+ and playing solid defense in CF and RF. He’s also cheap.
A'sfaninUK
Bingo, 135 PA sample is suddenly “more important” than a 24 HR in 123 G in 2019??
Besides us, does anyone around here actually know ball? Yankees fans on here are simply an embarrassment to the concept of baseball analysis. Pure lies by a decade+ chipless team, with the most arrogantly delusional fans who think they know what a World Series winning team is when the game has changed a lot since 2009….smh all round…
JoeBrady
A’sfaninUK
135 PA sample is suddenly “more important” than a 24 HR in 123 G in 2019??
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Of course. If he hit the 24 HRs while he was PEDs, and he is down to 2 HRs in 120 ABs off the PEDs, then not only is the current sample more important, you can easily disregard the tainted performance completely.
He might still have some talent, but there is no way around making his current stats more relevant than his tainted stats.
Yankee Clipper
100% JoeBrady. Not to mention Gardy even hit 28 HRs!!!! 28, during super ball season. So, Gardy has more power than Ramon…. Think about that for a second. And Gardy wasn’t using PEDs either.
Joe says...
Yeah A’sfan tell us all about those Oakland chips.
No matter how much you hate it, Money Ball ain’t even been to the WS much less won one. Talk about embarrassments, they most likely won’t even be in Oakland very soon. But, you know, boo Yankees and stuff.
jopeness
Any 2019 offensive stat should be less weighted in any analysis, for all players. As RL has a PED suspension, you should focus on the return stats. in his defense, I’d consider 150AB are good to get back into the groove, after that theres no excuse
jopeness
I think the A’s were bottom 5 in farm rankings prior to the trades. but even with that they were like #22 entering the season
StudWinfield
@A’sfan…it changed even more since, say, 1990? I actually like Laureano and would not mind him in NY
Zachary D Manprin
Above league average is horrible? 103 OPS+.
Deadguy
Nothing the Marlins have done since Derek left has really made sense, so I anticipate them getting a deal done for him
Hopefully they’ll trade Sandy Alcantara back to the Cardinals as well
Riontyler
I’ve been wishing for this one as well…
DarkSide830
Dear Oakland: please get Meyer out of the NL East. Sincerely, the NL East.
stretch123
Haha not happening
RunDMC
He’s looked good everywhere except for AAA and is a hard-thrower with small frame (6’0″) now having “nerve issues”. Considering MIA’s track record with high-pedigree pitchers with injury issues (Luzardo, Edward Cabrera, Sixto Sanchez), they need to buy the soothsayer from Cleveland’s FO that knows the time to sell a pitcher before he breaks down completely.
formerlyz
To be fair, he had just a couple of bad starts before the injury. He actually looked good before that. I’m still not a fan of the draft pick, but I’m not giving him away either
RunDMC
I wouldn’t be giving him away either, just running counter to this untradeable tag he seemingly has and a commentary of getting him out of the NL East. If any of MIA’s farm arms need to relocate, how’s about 6’8″ Eury Perez carving up AA batters to the tune of 63:9 (K:BB) in 46 IP at almost 20 y/o.
formerlyz
It’s not that he is untradeable. The Marlins shouldnt be moving arms unless it’s for a significant reason, with controllable talent coming back, and even then, its questionable to move those pieces b/c this is exactly what they did in 2015-2017 before they were left having to trade everyone. Supposed depth is a lot less evident when a couple of arms fall off and a few guys get injured, as they have. The Marlins need help in the bullpen as it is. If they end up in a situation where all these guys are healthy and performing, they could easily move guys like Meyer and Sixto Sanchez to the bullpen for now, and then explore moving pieces after that
Right now, they should be more focused on seeing what they could get for Aguilar and Hernandez, and guys like Wendle, and even Rojas, even though they probably missed their shot at doing so when they should have at least traded those first 2 guys in the offseason, as I had been specifically hoping for
Phillip
He’s looked great in AAA. Until the nerve issue surfaced. 6 starts, 1.72 ERA. 2.02 FIP. 4.33 K/BB. .159 BA against. He’s been phenomenal in AAA until the nerve issue and it’s not something too concerning.
BigFred
Marlins will be very competitive in 3 to 5 years, from whatever the current year is.
Yanks4life22
You win this thread sir!
dknight 2
You made this Marlins fan laugh with that. Kudos.
Dumpster Divin Theo
One of the most succinct, timely and informative pieces on this site. More from TC Zencka please!
rememberthecoop
Yes, and it’s actually about a trade rumor – imagine that! My only minor criticism is that there was no mention of his suspension. That may cloud his career numbers.
Deadguy
Get back to your dumpster diving Oscar
Oh wait I get it you paid for a free article, I’d feel ripped off too. More ripped off than signing Jason Heyward to that albatross contract
mike156
Failure of CBA negotiations again….teams should not be perennially in liquidation, looking to sell the fixtures. I know, tanking is a way of life for some teams, and it’s absolutely true that some markets are better than others, but if the Rays can find a way, I don’t understand why others can’t emulate them,
DarkSide830
If Tampa can do it then why is it a CBA issue?
BobbyRay
The Rays don’t tank. They churn the roster but they don’t tank. Win 90-94 games and hope for lightening in the playoffs is the model.
mike156
Yep, that’s my point, but it’s not going to get a lot of love. Rays have created a superb system for identifying and developing talent, and for acquiring it. They want to compete.
hiflew
Just because one of the “have not” franchises has figured out a miraculous way to compete does not make it a fair system. Besides all it will take is 1-2 misses for the Rays and they are rebuilding for 4-6 years.
The big market team never have to worry about that. When the Yankees have a “bad” year which for them is around 86 wins, they just buy whatever free agent they want or take over a small market team’s big contract for peanuts. Now the Yankees have developed some talent like Judge, but for the most part it’s true.
Jung Like My Daddy
Define perennially
Cause last year A’s won 86 games in 21
36-24 in 2020 shortened season
And 97 games in 2018 and 2019
So 4 straight years they were in it but somehow people are complaining when the A’s tear down and rebuild the roster to compete in 2 or 3 years?
mike156
I admire the Rays. A lot of teams just toss it all overboard, and subject their fans to extended periods of poor baseball. Some of that is esthetic, but a fair amount is because it’s profitable to tank. In an industry where the taxpayer often subsidizes owners, I’d like to see more of a commitment to the community.
A'sfaninUK
It made no sense to trade Olson instead of extending him. Chapman I can get because he has some flaws to his game, but you arent going to ever get a better home grown 1B than Olson. Even if they tore down and kept him they’d be in a superior position currently than adding the 4 players they got in the trade, two of which they didn’t even need (Pache+Langeliers are blocked by Laureano+Murphy).
seamaholic 2
The Rays are the worst tankers in the sport. They literally make their entire profit from corporate welfare (i.e. revenue sharing). The fact that they have a miraculous pitching development machine that seems to have other worldly luck with injuries in the low minors (they don’t have any) is a credit to a bunch of guys whose names we don’t know, and who could just as well be working for any other team.
I also don’t think it’s an accident that the southeastern based teams have so much better luck with their pitching prospects (Rays, Marlins, Astros, Braves). Pitching in cold weather, or even colder weather, is deadly on arms.
formerlyz
Sounds more to me the A’s see an opportunity to take advantage of an organization like the Marlins that has no understanding of asset management or how to actually get value in deals, the same way they’ve had that issue for years
JoeBrady
….teams should not be perennially in liquidation,
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They aren’t. Oakland played .531 last year, and was in the race until about a week left. Now that the Marlins are finally trying, there are no teams in perpetual liquidation.
Deadguy
Permanent liquidation, wow that’s how good AA, Fried, Stienbrenner, and Mozeliak are at there jobs? They almost never “liquidate”
ARC 2
They all hold onto prospects too long. All GM makes mistake the only difference is they have deep pocket books of money.
VonPurpleHayes
Speaking for the Phillies, how much of an upgrade is Laureno over Herrera? Laureno isn’t a guy who solves many of their problems by himself.
VonPurpleHayes
*Laureano
Captain Dunsel
His cousin Ralph can upgrade the team uniforms.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I agree with you, Von; once he stopped the juice he hasn’t hit at all. I’m not sure what all the love is with Ramon. It’s not like he’s a platinum glove out there either.
A'sfaninUK
@Yankee Clipper
Please. I BEG of you. Buy a clue. Go on youtube and write “Ramon Laureano” with either “arm” or “defense” – he absolutely is a gold glover out there and was arguably the best CF in MLB in 2019 – before you cared about MLB.
Yankee Clipper
As I said, “it’s not like he’s a platinum glove out there.”
Your response is, “arguably the best CF in MLB in 2019” – 3 years ago?! When using PEDs, no less?
You tell me to buy a clue but you use his super ball PED saturated HR #s to support his “power” & his 2019 GG to support that he’s a premium defender right now in CF?
I think your being too subjective. Clint Frazier was a GG candidate one year, that doesn’t make him a good defender every single year, and certainly doesn’t make him a “platinum glove,” which is the term I used.
Your defense of Ramon is too biased to be referencing any relevant performance, brother. 2019? Sheesh.
A'sfaninUK
Beane wants Painter SO bad, you gotta think he shops Laureano around to them first.
JoeBrady
Assuming you mean Andrew Painter, the Phillies would have to be insane to make that trade. Herrera is currently outplaying Laureano. Even if you can make the case that Laureano is better, you don’t give away a premium prospect for marginal upgrades.
pinstripes17
No way are the Phillies going to trade one of their only good prospects for the washed up shell of Laureano who can’t do anything without the juice. Keep dreaming, A’s fan.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s going to take a lot more than that to get Painter.
stretch123
If they can acquire him, that means Soler will get more DH at bats and Cooper will likely get the bulk of 1B at bats. Trade Aguilar at that point?
I personally think they should give a guy like Burdick a chance in CF before trading young pitching for Laureano.
Jung Like My Daddy
Athletics get Watson, Cabrera, De La Cruz ~ 45 trade value
Marlins get Laureano ~ 49 trade value
stretch123
Absolutely not. Package from Marlins would be De La Cruz or Burdick paired with two out of Luzardo, Elieser Hernandez, Fulton, Eder or McCambley
formerlyz
Why? Why give up those assets? Honestly though, even me…even I am growing apathetic with the stuff that’s gone on these last 2.5 years of messing up the rebuild, and falling into the same positions the Maflins were in countless times, ultimately leading to everything circling back to the beginning again in just a couple of more years from now
Jung Like My Daddy
I didn’t say if this was a good or bad trade proposal. Just stating this is what BTV gives as an estimate of the cost for Laureano.
There’s many different ways to add up to or close to 49.
Also, letting it leak theyre “pushing hard” tends to drive up price.
Yankee Clipper
Laureano is way overvalued right now, based on his prior PED seasons. He is batting league average right now & the article states he doesn’t lack for offensive firepower…..he has *2 HRs in 135 PAs. Two!
He’s on record pace for 9 this year – wow! That’s the problem with citing career stats for a PED guy who’s no longer on PEDs. One could make exactly the same argument in favor of Cano for this team (not for OF, obviously).
A'sfaninUK
Why are you using 135 PA as your sample scale? Entry level analysis. Be better. Laureano has 30+ HR power and has full seasons where he got around there.
Cano is like 40 years old, do you know ANYTHING about non-Yankees players? Such nightmarishly bad analysis…
Yankee Clipper
Well, I use 135 PAs because it’s the only known sample post-PED, post super-ball. My analogy was referencing Cano’s career numbers to reflect the illogic in using career numbers for a known, suspended PED user, who’s performing well-below average in the power department, as a basis for saying he’s a power bat.
I don’t think that’s off the mark until he proves he can hit without PEDs. No GM with any sense will trade anything of value for him if that GM is looking for a power bat. He simply has sub-par power until he proves otherwise.
Failing to acknowledge this, and attributing it to a Yankee-fan bias, shows a lack of objectivity, honestly.
Tacoshells
A package centered around Jesus luzardo is a start!
stymeedone
Yes, trade Oakland back the perennially injured prospect they dumped on you. Doubt they are interested.
A'sfaninUK
Yup, can see this happening. Luzardo still tantalizing enough.
Gterm
A month ago the Marlins thought they lucked out not acquiring Bryan Reynolds when he was slumping. Are the Marlins top 3 prospects worth Reynolds right now?
formerlyz
So now they want to add more OFers, but this time by giving up more assets? Bro, why? Just a little over a week ago the Marlins were 9th in wRC+. They have multiple prospects potentially ready to play the OF. They paid 2 guys for no reason, after they traded Starling Marte b/c they refused to pay him less/similarly to those guys.
They have lost 16 1 run games, after a brutal scenario Monday, and then blew another game last night, thanks to an abhorrent bullpen that is somehow even worse than they were the last 2 years. At least they managed to lose by more than 1 run, but that’s 2 of 3 to the Phillies by a bullpen that cant hold any lead to save anyone’s life. Literally the moment they come in, every Marlins fan thinks they’re going to lose.
You Can Put It In The Books
…and every other team’s fans too.
ARC 2
Instead of throwing names in a trade look at what A’s need. Hitters that can hit for average and OBA. A closer with a fastball out pitch. Those are their 2 biggest needs. I just don’t see much they can offer for Ramon since their best prospects are pitchers.
jessaumodesto
The A’s are playing for the 2026-27 season. If they through a few low A players at them they make this trade. They are not looking for anyone who can play MLB ball for the next year or so. This is about building a competitive team for game 1 in Las Vegas
ARC 2
I doubt Vegas wants them since the AAA team there is better than the A’s right now. A’s need hitters and their minor leagues lack hitters.
Rsox
During the Sox/A’s game the other night Dave O’Brien, Dennis Eckersley, and Kevin Millar were discussing the A’s stadium situation and upcoming votes and mentioned the possibility of the team leaving Oakland for Vegas and O’Brien and Millar brought up the point that Manfred wants expansion and is probably not to keen on relocating a team to one of the (realistic few) possible expansion sites citing the $2 billion dollar buy-in for an expansion franchise.
We’ve all heard the same possible expansion sites over and over: Vegas, Nashville, Portland, Charlotte, Austin (though San Antonio makes more sense to me), and Montreal. If MLB has to relocate the A’s (and the Rays for that matter given they are in the same situation) you lose two of those possible cites, basically leaving 4 of the 6 possible sites. Unless one moves to Montreal i don’t see anyone putting up $2 Billion to bring Baseball back there. So that takes away another option leaving MLB with 3 options for 2 teams. For Manfred to get expansion MLB is going to have to intervene at some point to help keep the A’s/Rays where they are
rocky7
$2 Billion to fail all over again in Montreal….really!
mdbaseball05
The fact that a AAA team has a better record than an MLB team is completely irrelevant to Vegas wanting the A’s. It would be a major league team, and Vegas already has the Oakland fanbase after taking the Raiders.
mdbaseball05
@RSox… Manfred just wants the two situations with the A’s and Rays to be completed, as he has stated he won’t deal with expansion until those two are resolved. For the A’s, I fully believe they are gone. The city isn’t approving their proposals in Oakland, and they get sued in any other city that they have tried relocating too, like San Jose. They are gone, and Las Vegas makes too much sense after taking the Raiders already.
That brings me to your next point of the cities being limited to the 4 or 6 others. I don’t believe that really plays into the situation of Oakland moving to Vegas at all. I think the rays get a new ballpark in Tampa or St. Pete, which would finally resolve those two situations. From there, you’re looking at two expansion teams, one of which almost has to be Portland or perhaps like a Vancouver, BC. The Mariners travel by far the most of any other MLB team, so giving them a geographic rival is necessary, and I’m sure Manfred knows that. Plus, they have the Portland Diamond project with funding ready for a site and ballpark already.
After Portland, you’re looking at needing one other city, and I believe that will be either Nashville or Charlotte. Both cities are good for a team with enough space in between to the next team, allowing more of a reach in the fanbase. And, both are on the up with tourism as well and have success with minor league teams too. I don’t think Manfred wants a third team in Texas, so I don’t think Austin or San Antonio are options for that second team. Montreal isn’t a good option either after already losing a team to DC.
ARC 2
The problem with Vegas is coming up with $2 billion on a new stadium after they already spent $2 billion on the Raiders and pushing for a NBA team. Vegas has not recovered from covid and is now having a big water shortage. So how will they get property owners to a new tax to get a stadium built for a billionaire.
ARC 2
As for A’s staying or leaving nobody knows what Fisher is going to do since there are so many mixed messages from the A’s office. I would bet more on him selling the team and letting the new owners decide because A’s management changes their position every month.
jessaumodesto
You doubt Vegas want an MLB team?
ARC 2
I doubt they have the money to bring in the A’s with how they had to pay the Raiders $2 billion. If there was no raiders in Vegas it would have been a slam dunk.. They lost almost 2 years of hotel tax plus the raider stadium ran almost .500 million in over run cost. Unless a billionaire Vegas casino owner buys the A’s I doubt they move. there.
A'sfaninUK
A’s don’t have enough pieces to go off “need” just yet. If Meyer or even Luzardo hits the table, they gotta jump all over it. They can also always trade Blackburn.
Rsox
I’m not so sure they “jump” all over Luzardo seeing how they traded him in the first place.
I do agree though that “need” is relative right now. The A’s best position seems to be Catcher, other than that they have needs all over the diamond. Any deal with the Marlins almost certainly has to include at least 2 of their young starting Pitchers, and since the A’s lack for Outfielders and the Marlins have a +surplus that has to be a no-brainer as well
jessaumodesto
They don’t need to push that hard
A'sfaninUK
Pache literally has the same body frame as Mike Trout, but the A’s think his swing mechanics and plate approach are MLB-level? His OPS is almost single digits. He seems to be a classic case of letting old school idiots get in your head when literally anyone with MLB power should be tailoring their swings for launch angle. Piscotty is another moron who flat out thinks he knows better, even though he could become an elite hitter if he went for launch angle not line drives.
No more line drive hitters, no more bunting = MLB is perfect.
ARC 2
Never understood why Pasche doesn’t learn how to bunt with his fast speed. Instead when you watch him he swings like he wants to hit home runs but doesn’t have the bat speed to do that.
JoeBrady
I was shocked by how big he was. He needs to be demoted until he gets a handle on the strike zone.
El Chupacabra
Marlins and others should be looking at Michael A. Taylor as an alternative. He’s long had the defense, this year he is well-above average offensively as well. And he’s controllable this year and next at a reasonable salary ($4.5M per year). And the Royals should be very open to dealing him.
phenomenalajs
The term “two-way” is thrown around an awful lot. It’s obvious that it’s offense-defense here, but it’s pretty clear that MLB is defining it as qualifying as a pitcher and a position player. Now I want to see Laureano pitch.
seamaholic 2
Go get Yonathan Daza from the Rockies instead. Hitting 330 with just as good D, if not better, as Laureano. And no baggage.
MarlinsFanBase
The only question is do you think PEDs or Coors Field help your stats more? Essentially, which player do you trust to hit more – the guy being watched for PED use or the guy that will no longer be hitting in Coors Field for 81 games? Tough call.
positively_broad_st
A’s want to trade Laureano right now while Kiermeier is nursing an inflamed achilles. His value went up by default when KK went down…
Goose
This tells you they don’t think Bleday or Burdick can handle to position or are not the future. They both are pretty meh this year.
Rsox
Marlins are deep in corner Outfielders. I don’t think Bleday or Burdick were ever considered true options. Victor Mesa Jr. And Osiris Johnson are the best options internally for the Marlins but both are realistically at least two or three years away. Laureano is controlled thru 2025 which would line up with at least one of their arrivals
Datashark
Trading Laureano and/Montas would assuredly reduce the 2k fans that show up to the coliseum. They could be the first club outside covid to have NO FANS in the stadium for a game.
bleezybones34
27 wRC+ might be the A’s best hitter!
Datashark
IF Miami were to try to get Laureano they would have to find a spot for Elvis and his 15M for next season
Rsox
Andrus is a free agent after this season barring his vesting option from kicking in, which the A’s surely won’t allow
Datashark
Currently on a $14MM, although the Rangers are on the hook for $7.25MM of that sum. Thus, an effectively Andrus on the book for $6.75MM
The trade from Texas to Oakland triggered a conditional full no-trade clause, which now gives him veto power over any deal..
—>>>Andrus’ contract stipulates that his 2023 option will convert to a player option if he is both traded (already achieved) and then accumulates 550 plate appearances in the 2022 season. <<<——
Currently sitting at 215 PAs – I would say they will do their best to not hit 550, but Elvis would play at this point on two compound leg fractures to get 550. or work and agreement on extension for less with Miami??? maybe…
Also note direct playing-time manipulation to avoid contractual milestones can lead to a grievance filing against the team.
Yankee Clipper
Why would they take Andrus’ salary on for next season, if he hits that marker, just to obtain a glove-only CFer? Perhaps they would, but I don’t see it. It’s precisely why the Rays cannot get any buyers for KK.
geoffb1982
Please please please take Ramon. We’ll accept a bag of sunflower seeds in return
UKPhil
Okay, let me get this straight. The Marlins want to give up on a genuine lefty power bat who has been learning CF for a few months and is trying to adjust to the league adjusting to him, in return for a Right handed genuine CF who is hitting just about League Average and has shown no power since he came back from a PED suspension.
I don’t know how OPS+ is calculated but I’d rather have a guy with Sanchez line in my line up than the aenimic Laureano.
Sanchez may not be a future gold glover, but he has improved substantially during the course of the season and probably has the ability to improve more.
If the Marlins want anything it is a better Left handed power bat which is what Sanchez might be in a month or so
Right now Laureano looks more like an upgrade on de la Cruz. Not sure I’d want to give up much of anything to get him.
MarlinsFanBase
This is exactly my thought. The Marlins made the mistake of signing one too many corner OFs in the offseason. It should have been Soler or Garcia, not both Soler and Garcia signed in the offseason. Some of that money should’ve gone to Jansen or to trade for Kimbrel after signing one of the corner OFs
And Laureano is an upgrade over de la Cruz for the moment. de la Cruz has the upside advantage, and like Sanchez, is adjusting back to the league adjusting to him.
MarlinsFanBase
Yes, Ramon Laureano will solve our Closer need! I can see us holding leads now with Laureano closing out games for us! Yes! Yes! Yes! No more blown saves and leads if we get Laureano!
This will be great for Kim Ng! And it only took nearly a season and a half for us to finally find a guy who will hold leads and save games for us! I guess when Don Mattingly indicated that he’s kind of tired of leads being blown, he was finally heard. Picking up Laureano will certainly solve this problem! Who cares if he plays CF!?! He will be the Closer we need at the back of our bullpen!
And send Jesus Sanchez and Bryan de la Cruz back to AAA! They have been blowing too many leads and saves for us. Our bullpen would be much better without them!
You won’t be seeing the Marlins blow any late-inning leads anymore!
Problem finally solved!
formerlyz
I have to give you some props here b/c I think this beat my version of the same thing lol
UKPhil
I’m wondering if there is a bullpen pressure stat? The number of appearances when the game is on the line. My guess would be the Marlins are the league leaders in this.. The closest indicator I can find is The Marlins and Bluejays are tied for most 1 run games at 24.
The bullpen numbers are pretty good. Unfortunately the number of times relievers are coming in with the game on the line is very high. A good closer could make the rest fall into place.
Another solution would be for the offense to heat up, so relievers wouldn’t have so many innings with the game on the line.
formerlyz
The Marlins bullpen cant hold leads. They’re usually fine when they’re already losing or in games with big run differentials, but with a lead, they’re a joke
Last year the Marlins lost 29 1 run games and another 20 2 run games, and had a positive run differentialmost of the season…they lost 50 games by less than 2 runs…that’s crazy
In the past, Mattingly, and Redmond before him, were terrible at using matchups and that cost them a lot of games, but I cant even blame the last couple of years on Mattongly nearly as much b/c they’re that bad, although Monday was his fault