The Blue Jays have fired manager Charlie Montoyo, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). The decision comes barely three months after Montoyo signed a one-year extension that ran through the end of the 2023 season.
The Blue Jays have announced the move via press release. Montoyo has been “relieved of his duties as manager” (i.e. fired) in favor of bench coach John Schneider, who’ll assume the position on an interim basis through the end of the 2022 season. Triple-A manager Casey Candaele is joining the Major League staff as an interim bench coach as well.
It’s rare to see a team that’s four games over .500 and in possession of a Wild Card spot oust its skipper, but Montoyo’s Jays are in the midst of a dreadful stretch that has seen them drop nine of their past 11 games. That includes a sweep at the hands of a red-hot Mariners club that used a series of four straight wins over Toronto to pull itself back to within a half game of the very Wild Card spot to which the recently floundering Blue Jays are clinging. ESPN’s Jeff Passan adds that “questions in the clubhouse about leadership” also contributed to Montoyo’s dismissal (Twitter link).
It’s been an unexpectedly mediocre season for the Blue Jays on the whole. While their lineup has been well above-average overall — Toronto hitters are batting .259/.321/.435, good for a fifth-ranked 111 wRC+ — that masks a dismal stretch in the middle of the season where the Jays were one of the lowest-scoring teams in the league for a few weeks. Even with those solid rate stats, Toronto sits just 11th in total runs scored (401), and their offense has not been the juggernaut unit that most expected.
Each of Bo Bichette, Teoscar Hernandez and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. have been better than the average hitter but shy of their recent levels of production (Bichette in particular). Offseason acquisition Matt Chapman has been better than he was in his past couple seasons with Oakland but has yet to rebound to the form he showed prior to 2020 hip surgery.
There have been similarly unexpected troubles on the pitching staff, with Jose Berrios’ unexpected decline chief among them. The longtime Twins top starter and prized 2021 deadline acquisition for the Jays signed a seven-year contract extension in the offseason and has immediately followed up with far and away his worst performance since his rookie season.
Berrios was the picture of consistency for the Twins from 2017-21 and pitched like his typically strong self down the stretch with Toronto following last July’s trade. However, he’s stumbled through the 2022 season with a 5.38 ERA and career-low 20.7% strikeout rate through 95 1/3 frames. His rotationmate, offseason free-agent signing Yusei Kikuchi, has had similar struggles in the first season of a three-year deal. Hyun Jin Ryu was lost for the season due to Tommy John surgery. Injuries have prevented Nate Pearson from taking the mound.
Of course, those shortcomings certainly don’t fall squarely on Montoyo’s shoulders, but he’ll be the one to bear the blame for the struggles of those expected contributors and the team’s recent spate of often close losses. He becomes the third manager to be dismissed this season alone, as both Joe Girardi (Phillies) and Joe Maddon (Angels) were fired earlier in the year.
At least in terms of win-loss record, Montoyo will go down as one of the more successful managers fired in recent memory. Despite taking over in the late stages of a rebuild in 2019, he guided the Jays to an even 236-236 record in his three-plus seasons on the job. Prior to his time with the Jays, the bilingual Montoyo was one of the most successful minor league managers in Rays franchise history, and he also spent four seasons as bench coach in Tampa Bay. Given that history and track record, it stands to reason that he could find himself in the running for some offseason coaching and/or managerial searches — if his desire is to get right back into a dugout, of course.
Damakibe
Yet Matheny and co. still lead the Royals.
Jung Like My Daddy
Expectations are a little different and play an important part in this situation.
Royals are clearly rebuilding and evaluating young talent.
Blue Jays have spent and are trying to compete but are being outpaced in a tough division by Red Sox Rays Yankees despite having what I consider the the best or second best lineup talent wise in the division.
Damakibe
The Royals have refused to commit to a rebuild, develop pitching, and use major leaguers properly.
Jung Like My Daddy
Royals have refused to let their pitchers develop. Thats not solely Matheny. Thats an organizational issue.
Matheny didnt choose to let Brady SInger skip AAA. Dude has 5 starts there his entire career.
He didnt choose to have Kris Bubic skip AAA. He has 3 starts there his entire career.
Heasley has 6 starts in AAA
Daniel Lynch has 13 starts there.
For whatever reason the Royals aren’t letting their pitchers develop in AAA during a full season and are jumping them straight to the majors. Thats not Matheny’s fault. While some blame lies on his shoulders the organization isn’t letting pitchers develop.
Ski to Coors
Skipping AAA or spending little time there isn’t uncommon. Lots of teams consider AA the biggest jump, and may even have a ballpark they prefer for grooming pitchers.
futuregm12
Expectations shouldn’t matter when the young pitchers are struggling because they’re not being developed right. It is quite obvious that Matheny and his staff need to go.
Jung Like My Daddy
Yeah. That happens when young pitchers skip AAA more times than not. When you hurt their development by not letting them face stiffer competition and jump them straight from A ball, AA ball to the majors guys that haven’t developed their pitching will definitely struggle as they’re now forced to figure it out in the MLB. Thats asking a lot of young arms.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Cora should be canned next.
Pads Fans
Cora? The guy whose team was expected to win 85 games and are above that pace going into the break?
Mi Casas es tu Casas
No the guy with the second highest payroll in the league coming off an ALCS appearance.
Redwolves3
Kapler needs to be fired.
rememberthecoop
Cora is a terrific skipper
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Is Kapler still doing that silly protest?
Julio Franco's Birth Certificate
Kapler is a moronic meathead. Was as a player when he was juicing in Texas, and still is one as a manager. Comical that he has gotten two shots.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Why is it comical? Kapler won the Manager of the Year Award last year. Nobody predicted the Giants would do anything last year, much less win the NL West. Kapler’s W-L% as a manager is .540. Go look up how many managers have a lower W-L%:
baseball-reference.com/managers/
SF is two games out of the NL Wild Card.
nottinghamforest13
I don’t trust anyone who licks ice cream and then spits it out to preserve his beautiful body. Get a life.
miltpappas
Cora can’t handle a pitching staff. That was the only thing John Farrell was good for. Until he decided to use one as a pinch-runner.
Lanidrac
There’s nothing wrong with using a starting pitcher as a pinch-runner if you only have one slow bench player left (save for possibly the backup catcher) and really need a pinch-runner.
GarryHarris
Really? The Giants don’t even have elite players but play well as a team. They are doing better than should be expected. Whereas the Jays are all very good and elite individuals not meshing as a team.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“I don’t trust anyone who licks ice cream and then spits it out to preserve his beautiful body. Get a life.”
Jack LaLanne was so careful with his diet that when he once broke his rules and ate a cookie, he threw it up.
When he was 70 years old, he did the following:
“He towed 70 rowboats, one with several guests, from the Queen’s Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to the Queen Mary, 1 mile.”
He did that swimming, shackled hand and foot.
God bless him.
Fever Pitch Guy
Lanidrac – Milt is absolutely right. There is plenty wrong with an AL pitcher being used as a pinch runner. They are not used to running the bases, baserunning is a skill that requires practice, the announcers used to talk about it all the time. Lots of injuries occur to position players on the basepaths, even though they know what they are doing.
Lanidrac
No, you don’t need practice to run the bases once in a blue moon. They may not be able to take an extra base in some situations, but that’s more than made up for by just being significantly faster than any alternatives.
Baserunning injuries are very rare as long as you refrain from sliding head first like a pitcher would be ordered to avoid doing. He’d be more likely to get injured the next time he pitches than he would running the bases..
Tacoshells
They’re not expected to be good and win a WS
Rsox
No one looked at the Royals to be World Series contenders or even a playoff team, the Blue Jays on the other hand were.
That said, Matheny might make it through the season but that doesn’t mean he will be there next year
In nurse follars
This is the sniveling Shapiro panicking. Maybe his job is at risk.
vinc3nt3
Like the old saying goes…..players win games…managers lose them.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
A managers primary job isn’t to win games its to get the most out of his team. If he gets fired it’s not because of his record, it’s because the team isn’t performing as expected.
nottinghamforest13
Matheny is a man of faith which is the most important quality in a manager.
User 899214610
Faith in what?
SFBay314
‘Faith’ aka agrees with my cult.
Nothing says USA like picking someone because their religion….
User 899214610
So nice of you to lump us all together…
one person expressed their opinion, but now we all do that, I guess.
TommyLasutton
one of the few things that will unite me with a Giants fan. next to ppl hating on CA (north and south don’t unite enough on that one)
Gothamcityriddler
Test
Deadguy
123…. test… 123
User 3921286289
As always, we await developments.
scissormetimbers
They’re negotiating with Russ Martin now, he’ll be the new skip!
tstats
Russ would be a great Skip
RobM
How do you know? Or, maybe he will be a great manager but only after two or three years leaning on the job, which won’t help the Blue Jays now.
tstats
Wow I voiced an opinion based off of him being a great game called back in the day. Seemed like that offended you
gomer33
He threw out the first pitch the other day at a Jay’s game with the whole video presentation from past players and to a man it was all see you on the golf course, apparently he has a three handicap. Doesn’t seem he wants the job just nostalgia from some fans. The last manager they hired with no experience was Buck Martinez.
ericl
Schneider is the manager until the end of the season. Martin isn’t managing the Jays this season. Maybe he’ll be a candidate in the offseason. Right now, they should let Martin manage Buffalo in AAA & see how he does there
Edp007
Charlie is a terrific human being , wish him all the best going forward.
Bones27
Yeah he seems like a good guy, just not fit to lead the Jays
Captain Judge99
Yeah you can only go so far with a “little league coach” if the Jays we’re smart they would hire my boi Joe Girardi. But who ever said they we’re smart? Smh I think it’s way too soon for Russell Martin. He needs another 5 years or so.
rememberthecoop
Girardi is not a good manager Judge. Look, he won an award and a title but lots of strategically poor managers like Joe Maddon for ex, have done that. Joe G is a great guy – got to know him in Chicago when I was writing. But his bullpen management leaves a lot ot be desired. And he’s too intense and creates a kind of a culture where guys can’t get comfortable. Not TOO comfortable, cuz I get that isn’t good either. But baseball is a sport where players tend to do better when relaxed.
Yep it is
Joe Girardi?? That is a JOKE. He couldn’t win in NY with a $200 million dollar payroll. He couldn’t win with a huge payroll in Philly. He is old school and that doesn’t play anymore.
stubby66
Tired of you guys saying old school doesn’t work. Buck has proven you wrong it does work and it’s better. These fricken kids now a day can’t directional hit or bunt. Don’t know how to steal or slide. Kids don’t even really know how to pitch at times. Problem is a lot of these kids think they know everything and aren’t coachable. They aren’t willing to learn the art of playing the game
DarkSide830
Yes, but please hire him before today’s game 😉
Taejonguy
stubby… and get off my lawn!
Captain Judge99
@Yep it is a joke like you- you wouldn’t know a good manager if they came up to you and bit you on your behind. Go back to sleep! You probably wanted the Jays to keep”their little league manager” didn’t you? Smh
Captain Judge99
@rememberthecoop- it doesn’t work? Look at the success the Mets have had with Buck Showalter. Joe Girardi is a better manager then Showalter. An Old school manager will definitely work with the Blue Jays. They’ll definitely have success for sure.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Girardis BP management isn’t any worse than Coras. And Cora is way too relaxed never any sense of urgency or wanting to win.
Pads Fans
Not a coincidence that the Phillies had to fire Girardi to start winning.
rememberthecoop
Managing has changed. Look at TLR with thr Sox for ex. He’s in the HoF but sucks now. Sure part of it is age but thr job is way different now. The front office basically works with thr manager and if the manager doesn’t like that then he’s replaced. Good or bad that’s just the way it is. Plus, I also told you about his bullpen management. It’s awful!
rememberthecoop
Not a coincidence at all.
Animalize
Taejonguy: “Get off my lawn!”??! Are you an ageist bigot? That’s what your sass sounds like.
Captain Judge99
@Pads Fans- it just wasn’t working in Philadelphia for Girardi. They we’re smart for parting ways. Girardi would be perfect in Toronto, and all the players would love him as their manager.
VonPurpleHayes
@stubby66 I love Buck. He’s a great manager, but the Mets have an incredible roster with the second highest payroll in baseball history. It’s not like Buck was given a flawed team.
VonPurpleHayes
Girardi cannot manage bullpens that don’t have Rivera in them, and Buck has one of the best rosters in the sport.
Captain Judge99
@VonPurpleHayes- you and I obviously disagree. I definitely think it’s time for the Blue Jays to put their “big boy pants on” and hire Girardi. Basically “one teams treasure” could be “another teams poison”
VonPurpleHayes
@Captin Judge99 I don’t know why anyone consider Girardi valuable right now. In a year or two? Sure. But right now there’s clear evidence that he was not doing a great job. Why would a team that wants to win now take a chance on that? I don’t see how Girardi is “big boy pants.” It’s more like same old…same old. It’s not a bold move at all.
GinaNCRaysFan
Taejonguy was responding to a diatribe which essentially said that the “young kids” who play today don’t know how to play the game like they used to in “the old days”. That sounds pretty ageist to me, @animaleyes.. I’ve been watching baseball since the 60’s, and sure, the game is different today than it was then. Today teams don’t play for “productive outs” since they usually costs you more runs than you gain, so yeah, the style of play seems a lot different than it did then. That doesn’t equate to today’s players playing better or worse than those in the past, The game evolves, and players and teams have to evolve with it.
User 899214610
lolol what?! Please explain how Joe Girardi is a better manager than Buck Showalter?
VonPurpleHayes
@the great bambi Right? Joe G wasn’t even a better MLB Network analyst than Buck. It’s not even close.
mt in baltimore
Agree entirely.
This group of players seem way more focused on their $500 haircuts and Home Run Clown Jacket props.
Montoya shouldn’t have allowed for this foolishness…
jpritch002
It’s a way to make the games fun… what’s wrong with them showing personality and celebrating a home run in a different way? I see nothing wrong with having fun
Enzosrevenge
Home runs mean nothing…if you lose the game.
rememberthecoop
“Winning is fung”
– Ozzie Guillen
Rocker49
Glad his racist ways are out of baseball, he was horrible.
pinstripes17
Nothing fun about losing games
smuzqwpdmx
My only problem with the home run jacket is it rewards the all or nothing solo home run approach. Maybe make it a run scored jacket, give it to the last guy to cross home plate? (I’d say RBI but they probably wouldn’t be allowed to wear it on the bases.)
Appalachian_Outlaw
This is going to be an incredibly unpopular opinion, I already know- but players aren’t paid to win games. Front offices care about that. Managers care about that. Fans care about that, some a little too much at times. Players are paid to perform though, and the hope is that enough perform to win a championship.
Home runs count towards the paycheck, win or lose.
Shoguneye
I prefer the way to make games won, not fun.
mt in baltimore
That is a wildly unique opinion that you have there buddy.
So players just show up and act like ass hats and there are no consequences for never winning??? Don’t think so.
Appalachian_Outlaw
Unique, maybe? If you’re playing the game though, aren’t you playing it to make money?
Ok… So what does everyone talk about when they’re discussing contracts? Stats. How many games a team won never comes up. The only position that even tracks wins for a player is Pitcher, and there are people who place no value on that.
As for a direct answer to your question, MT- yes, if a player is performing, there are no consequences for him for not winning outside of maybe being traded. How many WS titles has Trout won? Is he performing, yes. Is he being paid, yes. That’s all there is fundamentally to a players job.
Fever Pitch Guy
Outlaw – Pretty sure WAR stands for “WINS Above Replacement”.
Lots of people here live and die by that one stat which is used for all players.
Appalachian_Outlaw
Fair enough, but how is WAR figured? Individual stats. Fans, media… they assign monetary value to WAR, but I can’t ever recall a player paid directly off his WAR.
josebatflip
Yes haircuts and fun jackets are the problem. Okay boomer.
IACub
Old Man yells at cloud. have to say I’m not a fan of teams firing managers admist losing streaks. You need to allow teams space to struggle and adapt.
smuzqwpdmx
Hey, they waited until after he won a game.
bigfatandugly
lol calm down Karen
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Lots of teams have foolishness all the damn pointing and gesturing and boston with the incredibly stupid laundry cart rides. Strahm cares more about his hair than fielding and throwing.
terrymesmer
Idiotic comment.
flamingbagofpoop
At least you’re self aware.
Francys01
The Rays could take Montoyo back as a bench coach in the future unless another club is interested in hiring him.
17dizzy
The Cardinals need to Fire their current Manager, Ollie Marmol !!!!
Only thing he knows about his total pitching staff is they are supposed to throw the ball over the white part of home plate.
He’s gotten all goofy about who is a starter and who’s a reliever!!!
Several games he has just used all relievers from the 1st inning through the 9th.
Next game he has no clue why he has no available relievers who can hold a 6 run lead!!
Duh!!!!!
notnamed
agree
AverageCommenter
Wow. I’ll miss his reactions to being ejected.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I am sorry this happened
The Blue Jays have struggled a bit and have had tragedy too, but I think this is an overreaction
Edp007
Agreed. Panic mode
Ronk325
The timing might be a shock but Montoyo getting fired was inevitable. Seems like the front office, that also finds themselves on the hot seat, is hoping a new voice in the clubhouse will save their season/jobs
scissormetimbers
Russell Martin was waiting in the wings, they just needed this skid to validate that Montoyo wasnt the guy, it’s Russ team now.
rememberthecoop
Are they really going to hand the keys to a Rolls Royce to a guy who has never driven before?
houstondodgerblue
Just for kicks. Aaron Boone and the Yankees say hi
gomer33
Buck Martinez and the Jays say “Hi”.
Pads Fans
Boone has driven that Rolls Royce to exactly zero rings.
houstondodgerblue
True. But he was allowed to drive. So RJ Martin being speculated isn’t the most outrageous concept
KamKid
He would be a great manager, but would he want to? He made a bunch of money in his career. You’d think he might want to enjoy the lifestyle that affords him and his young family.
big boi
Finally…Charlie is a good man but it just wasn’t working
CubsWin108
Bad move lol, not much you can do in that division, they’re not even doing bad
Digdugler
they just dropped 9 of their last 11, to teams that are “worse” than them.
“worse” both record wise (prior to losses) and on paper.
rememberthecoop
Typical Cubs fan, happy with mediocrity.
Ted
Sure it’s a hard division but this isn’t a mediocre small-market team struggling to compete. This is the team widely expected to be the best of the best pre-season.
Being 2 games up on last-place Baltimore isn’t where this roster should be.
bucsfan0004
He’s not a good manager, but the Jays recent performance is not his fault.
mt in baltimore
Bring back John Gibbons.
He would straighten out the Clown Show in that dugout…
bucsfan0004
Its a non-stop party in that dugout!! Needed to keep Semien and his no-nonsense attitude
Dustyslambchops23
Exact same thing was happening last year and no one seemed to have a problem
rememberthecoop
Winning cures all ills.
Dustyslambchops23
They have the same record today as they did at this point last season
Rsox
Mayhe that was the problem
Pads Fans
They were expected to win the same amount of games as last season.
Tom S
Hopefully TLR is next! Can’t believe he hasn’t been let go before now!
drasco036
That’s alright, the White Sox will be sellers next season and their fans can get all excited about the “haul” they get for Cease and Anderson, then ten years later they can enjoy another wild card birth.
Samuel
drasco036;
Anderson’s value on the trade market is far less than you think.
bucknerkingmansutter
Don’t tell Jackie Robinson Jr. that…
rememberthecoop
What???? TA is a very good ballplayer and I hate the Sox.
brewfan27
the needs to go badly
Edp007
Bring back Cito
gorav114
I’ll never forgive Cito for not putting Mussina in at the All Star game. He’s dead to me
Captain Judge99
@Edpoo7- can’t believe I’m saying this” but that doesn’t seem like such a bad idea” but seriously how old is he now?
MightyDutch
Paging Joe Maddon
Edp007
Anyone but Joe
BigFred
Joe Girardi is looking for a job.
Captain Judge99
@MightyDutch- no you got the wrong Joe.
davidk1979
He didn’t put together the terrible pitching staff
NoRegretzkys
No, but he pulls his starters way too early and taxes the bullpen. Look at yesterday, why not leave Berrios in there for the 7th? He was lights out. If you know the bullpen is weak, why rely on it for 4+ innings every game?
smuzqwpdmx
That’s true, but it sure seems like the decision to never allow anyone to go much past 90 pitches comes down from higher management. I’ve never had the sense that Charlie was making that decision. Hopefully he was so it can change.
Samuel
smuzqwpdmx;
The only manager that actually managed a Mark Shapiro team was Terry Francona.
Everyone else had some input but did what the FO agreed upon.
bigfatandugly
he pulled berrios because he was at 100 pitches after throwing a gem after just getting back on track over the last 3 games after what so far has been a bad season for him.
that wasn’t bad it was smart.
Shoguneye
They also changed Berrios’s delivery. If its not broke why fix it, especially in a short spring.
Dustyslambchops23
There was 3 lefties due up in the 7th, that is not a reasonable criticism, any manager would and should have pulled Berrios there
CubsWin108
what a great motivator, basically the players are being told were firing your beloved manager because you guys have been doing awful. Sure worked for the Phillies and Angels…
positively_broad_st
Phillies have a winning record and have had much better results from the bullpen under Thomson. You can’t seriously compare the Phils to the Angels this season…
CubsWin108
Still all signs point to this being a 50/50 move, they will either continue to suck. Ot play .500 Baseball like the Phillies. Idk if neither is good for them
VonPurpleHayes
@CubsWin108 You realize the Phillies went 24-12 under their new manager, Rob Thompson? They aren’t playing .500 baseball. They’ve been playing way above it since June.
VonPurpleHayes
*Thomson.
rondon
Why not? No way to measure that. Thomson may or may not be better. Harper said it was a wake up call to the team. May be nothing more than that. Didn’t work for the Angels. May or may not work for the Jays.
high_upside
What a garbage move. Build a bullpen how bout
Buff Barnacles
Joe Madden? Joe Girardi?
Both know the division and both can straighten out this childish clubhouse.
Agreed about Montoyo and he’s not a bad person
He’s just been a puppet the whole time for the front office.
scissormetimbers
Nah it’s going to be Russell Martin
dirkg
Girardis firing worked out thus far. Maddons loss has been an utter disaster. We’ll see where this one goes…
rememberthecoop
Hard pass on both.
cadagan
“Both know the division and both can straighten out this childish clubhouse”
Weren’t maddon and Girardi both fired partially for thw same thing? clubhouse, energy, blah?
BuJoBi
How about we go after someone who didn’t recently get fired from a garbage team
Ancient Pistol
I think pundits rated this team way too high and now that reality has arrived they’re all standing around wondering what happened (same with the White Sox). The team looks a bit shell shocked that all of the great things that were promised are not happening as fast as they thought.
Samuel
B I N G O !
The national baseball media plays favorites. Everything revolves around the Yankees and Red Sox. A guy like Theo Epstein can do no wrong. A guy like James Click is just pushing buttons that anyone can. Shapiro sucks up to the national media, drops some clever buzzwords and they cover him and his team favorably. Today’s rebuilding Baltimore Orioles have a few good players that should be traded to large market contenders as the Orioles place in their “minds” is as a feeder team…..i.e. “Who do they have that the teams we like can use?”.
citizen
Blue jays were picked to win the division and go to the ws. Jays are hitting, leading in a lot of mlb categories as expected, pitching isn’t quite there. expect a trade for an arm or two at the deadline, even after losing rju. Could be just a difference in philosophy.
However, no one expected the yankees to be this good. When looking at their wins, a lot of it has been again bad teams and teams with losing records. Tampa has regressed this year. Wait until the yankees play teams above 500 or better, then see.
joepanikatthedisco
I understand the hype around the Jays. Even with Vlad and Bo underperforming, they’re the best top to bottom lineup in the AL
NWMarinerHawk
This young eclectic talented team is screaming for Joe Maddon.
scissormetimbers
Nah we want Russell Martin
gocougs
Are you on the team?
scissormetimbers
Yes, I work with the Boyz.
NWMarinerHawk
Man Russell was the mvp on my ‘07 fantasy championship squad. He will always be mah dude
Shoguneye
I’d take Greg Zaun over Martin.
BuJoBi
No they aren’t
anthony schroeter
maybe next season, if he doesn’t go anywhere before, We can bring him back to Tampa Bay. He and Kevin Cash worked well together
JerryBird
The manager is usually the scapegoat. Montoyo will resurface, he has many things in his favor. Hopefully he learned a few valuable lessons from his days in Toronto.
nailz#4life
Can dad , Vladdy Sr manage ?
FarhanFan22
Manny Ramirez should get a shot at managing
Ancient Pistol
No. That would be a disaster. Can you imagine a guy with no self-discipline managing a team with little self-discipline?
FarhanFan22
A whole team of Manny being Mannies?
Sounds like a train wreck I would watch
scissormetimbers
Russell Martin your time has arrived!!
5toolMVP
My money is on Joe!
Maddon or Girardi
…hedging my bets! Hahaha
Mitchell Page
Make that girl from Blog TO manager Brianna
Armaments216
Jays will be hiring from MLBTR comments thread. Manage from home and earn 100+ wins!
tstats
AHHH Dahlila or Mary Anne or what ever todays spammer is
LFGMets (Metsin7)
Montoyo’s Blue Jays should be about 5 games back of the Yankees with the team they have. A complete disaster at this point in the season
Dustyslambchops23
The Yankees are on historic pace, jays should be up in the WC standings but the Yankees are Insane so far.
Captain Judge99
@LFGMets- not 5 games, maybe 10. They need starting pitching. Luis Castillo would be perfect for them. Do they actually have any prospects left for him? Joe Girardi is definitely the way to go for Toronto. He’d get them on the right track. It was never his fault the Phillies suck.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
I agree, but I don’t think Girardi wants to go to Canada considering that he only likes Florida and the East Coast teams
Gothamcityriddler
Nobody “wants” to go to Canada. Ahahahaha!
Captain Judge99
@LFGMets- don’t forget about the Cubs, that’s his dream job. He’s from there. I would wait for a few years though.
VonPurpleHayes
The Phillies played significantly better since Girardi left. Their pen, one of the worst in baseball, has been one of the best in June and July under Thompson. Girardi was coasting on past success. Same guys. Handled better. Girardi’s tenure in Philly proves he doesn’t have it anymore.
VonPurpleHayes
*Thomson
TennVol
Best guess is John Schneider gets the interim reigns. Long term i just have no idea. Do they go the Gerardi route and get a bit more disciplined and old-school? Madden and his cumbaya stuff? Or, if Schneider does well, do they keep him as manager. Time will tell.
scissormetimbers
They’re negotiating contract details with Russell Martin now.
JoeBrady
5th time you mentioned Martin.
jimmertee
Martin is not ready to manage in the bigs. He needs a few years of minor league seasoning to learn how to manage.
scissormetimbers
No he doesn’t. He’s ready to go.
Darthyen
Best news all day…now fire the hitting coach and bench coach too.
positively_broad_st
Promoting Casey Candaele from Buffalo maybe?
Rick Shildt still wants to manage again as well…
ChuckyNJ
Candaele is up from the Bisons to be interim bench coach under Schneider. Could be a good pick to skipper the Blue Jays in 2023.
KyleT
So much for having the division wrapped up in March.
yanks2323
Bring back Gibby!
Edp007
Schneider named interim manager thru 2022
M.C.Homer
Blue Jays / Mets world series.
Maddon and Eppler get the last laugh..
Dustyslambchops23
I was critical of Montoyo the last few years, so I’m not overly fussed about this. The timing could have been a bit better especially with what’s gone on with budzinski.
I don’t buy in to the whole they are having too much fun narrative, the players clearly seem frustrated with their performance. But to me Charlie just didn’t try enough things to move them out of funks quicker. Bo and his sub .300 obp should have been batting 7th the second Lourdes, kirk, Teoscar all got hot. No real excuse for that.
That being said the team has predictably lost a lot of games due to the bullpen and lack of starting rotation depth with falls squarely on shatkins.
smuzqwpdmx
The batting order really makes very little difference. I think what got Charlie fired was the RISP numbers. A manager should be able to eventually fix the problem of guys tying themselves in knots in pressure situations (a psychological issue), so when they run into that problem for the second stretch of the season…
Luke Strong
How is the manager going to help a player hit the ball any better? That’s absurd. You are basically saying the players who have recently struggled with RISP are going up there and not completely focused on every single pitch, but a new manager is going to help them improve that? Get out of here. These are professional baseball players with tons of playing experience and many successful AB’s. The manager doesn’t stand in that batters box.
smuzqwpdmx
Hitting with RISP is not a special skill you practice for, there aren’t guys inherently more talented at it than others. It’s something you fail at because you’re folding under psychological pressure. When a lot of players are seizing up in pressure situations at the same time, it’s obviously due to the prevailing clubhouse mood — panic, desperation, or just a feeling of having to be the hero — which is the most important thing a manager can influence.
If your manager can’t get the guys to calm down and treat it like any other at bat, he’s not doing his job.
tstats
Freddie Freeman might disagree with you on that. It’s a skill to be calmed
Dustyslambchops23
Bo has the second most ABs on the team. How does that not make a difference
KamKid
I’m a believer that lineup construction can make big differences in moments. But no matter how you look at it, old school like Charlie’s lineups or the more modern approach of just put your best hitters at the top and give them the most plate appearances, Bo hitting 2 never made much sense to me. I accept that they know more than me and have a reason, I just haven’t heard a satisfactory explanation of it.
rememberthecoop
That’s the only way the batting order matters. And it’s why you put your best player 2nd – so he is assured of batting in the 1st inning. Otherwise lineup construction does not matter.
Dustyslambchops23
Your comment is contradictory
Lineup construction does matter for the fact that your best hitters get more ABs, that extends beyond the first inning, as they are also the first to get their 4th, 5th ABs.
Skeptical
You do realize that is only one philosophy of how to construct a batting order? Another philosophy is the best hitter bats third. Under this philosophy, you placed a high OBP batter first. Someone good at singles, walks, bunts for base hits, etc. The number two hitter is someone who could move the number one over into scoring position. Should be skilled at bunting.. The number three batter, being the best hitter, drives them in. A small ball philosophy. Of course, it does require bunting skills, skills sadly lacking today.
raulp
Not a Jays fan, but definitely a different leadership style is needed, less showcase and more work ethics.
Dustyslambchops23
With all due respect that is complete BS.
Effort of this team is not on the top 10 list of problems
sufferforsnakes
Yet Shapiro still has a job?
MaNameIsYeffff
Why would any Jays fan be looking for Shapiro to go? Losing him would be a massive set back. He came into a train wreck after AA blew things up for a playoff push and has done an unreal job in bringing in talent both at the MLB level and through building up our farm system?
bullred
You mean the train wreck of being taken to the 2015 and 2016 ALCS. That hasn’t happened since. Or did you mean giving up middling prospects to get there.
Ted
How was AA a train wreck? Those playoff years saved the franchise.
amjr
Totally on board with the firing. Wonder what the White Sox are waiting for to fire La Russa.
NWMarinerHawk
Lol 0-1 count? Let’s just put him on
SonnySteele
The White Sox are waiting to see if Lou Piniella accepts their offer. 😉
Lanidrac
They’re waiting for either him or Reinsdorf to retire or die.
Now I think most (but not all) complaints against La Russa are overblown, but no matter what you think of him, the job is seriously his as long as he wants it as long as Reinsdorf maintains ownership.
Central Valley
Anyone think Bruce Bochy would be interested?
FarhanFan22
Probably the best option of any manager with MLB experience.
Bochy is old school but still chill enough to manage the kids in Toronto
dewssox79
But the white sox hang on to TLR.
RobM
The JR-TLR relationship is toxic for the team. The White Sox, and the sport overall, will be better off when JR moves on.
MaNameIsYeffff
Love Charlie and hate to see him go but my guess would be this is the outcome of the weekend in Seattle. The Jays have no more games now against them and finish with 2 wins and 5 losses. The new head to head tie breaker puts Seattle ahead of the Jays if tied for a playoff spot. It was a really important series and they left it being swept.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
If Maddon or Griardi get even a mention in the conversation the clown show has run amuck! Hell, if we’re talking about these two jokers why not go for the trifecta and throw Scioscia’s name in the mix.
It’s Russel Martin’s gig if not, how about Ron Washington?
Darthyen
I would think they should consider someone on Boston’s bench – Jason Varateck (sorry for butchering that spelling)
Peart of the game
Varitek*
Darthyen
Thanks
NWMarinerHawk
My dude waved to me a few weeks back at T Mobile. We were talking with the grounds crew during BP at the 3rd base side when he walked by I just blurted out “holy s that’s Jason Varitek.” He heard me and gave me a big smile and a wave. My dude
NWMarinerHawk
I think he’s a bullpen coach from my observations
AverageCommenter
He’s the Catching Coach and “Game Planning Coordinator”. Seems like he’d make a good manager either way.
miltpappas
Varitek should replace Cora
KamKid
I have always had the sense they were grooming Schneider for the job. I’m excited to see his game management. I think this is Schneider’s audition for the job going forward.
jimmertee
When Guerreo Jr called out the manager publically last night on the field after a questionable review decision, it sealed Montoyo’s fate. He is too nice a guy.. He is not a championship caliber manager and was called as such the day he was hired.
John Schnieder will be a good manager and stick somewhere in the bigs as a manager for a long time. He is quality and understands the game and players.
There are two left in the Blue Jays organization to be fired, Shapiro and Atkins – Alphonse and Gastonne. [Even though Shapiro is an excellent leader, administrator and renovator], it is his baseball decisions that are not championship caliber.
Digdugler
Dumb review but even dumber error .Vlad shoulda been benched immediately after. (He also had 3 awful AB at this time)
jimmertee
I understand that Schnieder talked to Vladdy Jr and set him straight. There is a very immature climate on the Jays, especially with Vlad Jr, Gurriel Jr, and Hernandez. Schnieder will address it.
Dustyslambchops23
It’s called being 23. But something tells me you were never fun or immature at any point of your life
Animalize
jimmertee: What’s your plausible evidence that Montoyo is “too nice” and “not a championship caliber manager”?
rememberthecoop
The Jays remind me of the White Sox. Lots of talent but underachieving.
Bryzzo2016
Yet somehow Tony LaRussa still has a job? Hahaha, JR’s man crush on TLR is gonna waste a RARE window of contention for the White Sox. I predict this move by the Jays will motivate this squad into a Wild Card berth.
Louholtz22
Reinsdorf and Larussa are drinking buddies. Bad business going in business with friends
Nothing
Surprised by this. Yeah, the team played WAY below expectations but is that on Montoyo? We’ve basically had a 3 man rotation all year (with an inconsistent Berrios) a bad bullpen, and a lot of our hitters looking lost at the plate (Bichette and Hernandez especially).
jimmertee
Not surprising at all the Montoyo was fired today by the BooJays. It was called the day Montoyo was hired and again this past spriing training. He is too nice and there is an immaturity issue in the dugout that Schnieder will address. Montoyo did a great job of getting the team through covid times but the need is win now and Montoyo is not a championship caliber MLB manager.
yanks2323
They should call Girardi
Captain Judge99
@yanks2323- absolutely brother!
VonPurpleHayes
No one is calling Girardi. The Phillies went from 11 below .500 to 4 above (higher, but they hit a little skid of late) since Girardi’s firing.
Captain Judge99
Keep in mind nobody knows the AL East better then Joe Girardi. He can definitely take the Jays to that next level in beating the Yankees, Rays, and the Red Sox. It just won’t happen this year. Obviously I’m a Yankee’s fan. He is a much better manager then Aaron Boone, blindfolded.
VonPurpleHayes
This isn’t 2009. Girardi doesn’t know the AL East anymore. He was recently fired for a reason.
Captain Judge99
@VonPurpleHayes- the Phillies didn’t appreciate a great manager, doesn’t mean the Blue Jays wouldn’t. I would rather leave in Canada then Philadelphia anyway. It’s lot cleaner then that cesspool in Philly. The Phillies are a cursed organization. I respect your’re loyalty though.
VonPurpleHayes
Didn’t appreciate him? They paid him a ton. He mismanaged the bullpen. The Phillies were 11 below .500 during his tenure. Under the new manager they are 24-13 with one of the best bullpens in baseball during his tenure. That’s not coincidence. The 2009 Yankees had one of the greatest rosters of all time. Old-school managers should not be immortalized forever for their past success. There’s clear evidence that Girardi did a terrible job in Philly.
Captain Judge99
@VonPurpleHayes- Old school managers don’t work? Seriously? Look at the Mets right now. You’re obviously not making any sense. The Blue Jays need an old school manager to get through to them. Toronto has the talent to win, they’ve just had the wrong manager. Now they have opportunity to get what they really need in Girardi. Just because it didn’t work in Philadelphia doesn’t mean it couldn’t work In Toronto for Girardi. Joe Maddon is not a better manager then Girardi. It just seems like you’re rooting for the wrong team, I’m sorry.
VonPurpleHayes
I never said old-school managers don’t work. You can’t quote half-a-sentence. I said old-school managers should not be judged on their past success. Joe G hasn’t been a great manager in over a decade. And that includes his tenure on the Yankees. He cannot handle bullpens. It’s not just about Philadelphia. Toronto wants to win now. They don’t have time for another failed manager experiment. I don’t like Joe Madden either. Why are you limiting Toronto’s choices to two failed managers?
How am I rooting for the wrong team? As soon as the Phillies got rid of Joe G, they were back in the wildcard hunt.
Louholtz22
Excellent decision. Need a spark. Too much talent to be sputtering
CravenMoorehead
Tony La Russa is reading this article clutching a bottle of Jim Beam
riffraff
To be fair he probably does that while reading the funnies too
CravenMoorehead
He definitely does it while driving! We know that already….
Samuel
LOL
Maybe you drink Jim Beam, but rest assured any bourbon drinking major league player, manager, coach, or FO person wouldn’t use that as mouthwash,
Deckard
As someone who has followed this team since their inception (and still annoyed the Giants did not come here in ’76) and who watches every game, this news is greatly appreciated. I am a little surprised they did it now, but very happy they finally did. Charlie is a nice guy but make no mistake he is NOT a big league manager. There are three reasons he got the gig:
1) He had experience working with younger players and the bulk of the team at the time were young players who probably should not have been in the majors, but since they were needed someone who could deal “gently” with them.;
2) He speaks Spanish; and
3) Most importantly, he will do what he is told. It is clear watching this team that Charlie is not in charge (’80’s flashback) and he was only doing what he was told. He was definitely out of his depth most of the time. You could see others explaining things to him in the dugout because he clearly did not know the nuances of the game. Why? Because he is not a major league manager.
The reasons he was brought in are now no longer relevant, especially my first point. What they need on this team desperately is someone who will:
1) Hold players to account; and
2) Teach them how to be major league ballplayers.
Those two things are what is holding this team back.
While we are at it, they also need a hitting coach who knows something about hitting. The team’s approach at the plate is terrible. This is a team of great individuals, but none of them approach the game as a TEAM.
Digdugler
The new manager definitely needs to hold players accountable. Teoscar should be benched immediately after his daily tootblans for example.
smuzqwpdmx
Yeah, let’s get Bradley Zimmer in that lineup every day, that’ll help!
jimmertee
Zimmer is an out. It reminds me of keeping Dalton Pompey on the roster. As Arash Madani said this week after the firing, “the Bluejay’s executive tells everyone they want to win yet makes questionable decisions and won’t address the large holes in the pitching staff “
smuzqwpdmx
Pompey was a better pinch runner, Zimmer is a better defensive replacement. But the big difference between them is Pompey had potential to hit, whereas Zimmer is very much a known quantity.
Samuel
Deckard;
I respect what you’ve seen. Now here’s what I saw from a far……
Almost everything you wrote – particularly “It is clear watching this team that Charlie is not in charge” – was written about fired Cleveland managers under Shapiro….then came Terry Francona. The Indians were fortunate to get him. With his reputation and resume the FO not only let him manage but they stopped looking at spreadsheets and attending analytic seminars, and started figuring how how MLB baseball worked. Terry was the one that turned around that franchise – from how to scout players to how to train them in the minors, to finish them off in the majors.
There was more than one journalist in Cleveland sports that felt that Shapiro was kicked upstairs to Toronto to get him out of the Indians organization. At the time they were using him more on business matters. He said when he was hired by the Jays that it would be fun to make trades again.
RobM
The job could end up being Schneider’s longterm if the Jays start playing up to expectations.
As for Berrios, he is delivering his worst performance since his rookie season, but I wouldn’t judge his season until the end. I’ve had him on my fantasy baseball teams and while his final numbers are fairly consistent, he’s wildly inconsistent within the season. He’ll look horrible for 10 starts, then look like a Cy Young candidate for the next 10. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if has a strong second half.
Captain Judge99
Blue Jay fans be like” I guess we can hire this guy as manager” this is not a guessing game. You got to hire the person best qualified: Joe Girardi
Digdugler
Lou Piniella
stymeedone
Billy Martin
Captain Judge99
Casey Stengel
PaulR28
Probably doesn’t help to have Bo Bichette running around there like Stevie Wonder at the plate and at shortstop.
VonPurpleHayes
Could’ve probably waited one more game. Let him finish the Phillies series.
cubsmetsbrewers
Wow some shock not hating it though
cubsmetsbrewers
Didn’t they just extend him? Show you about these execs
smuzqwpdmx
That’s how teams always work it with managers. They almost never let them manage a lame duck season (unless they’re contemplating retirement), they always extend them or fire them before their last contract season starts.
Why? I dunno. Perhaps managerial contracts are non-guaranteed, or they’re just small enough nobody cares about wasting the money.
dshires4
Feels premature. If they were swept by the Oakland A’s and it brought them 10 games back of the wild card spot I’d understand it. But they’re above .500 and sit in a WC spot.
Ted
What’s the point of doing it once you’ve hit rock bottom? If you think you can find a better manager, do it now while New Guy can still right the ship.
dshires4
If they thought they had a better manager at their fingertips they wouldn’t have extended him in the first place. They clearly haven’t hit rock bottom when they’re in the thick playoff race.
dr. remulak
It’s a brutal business in which winning is paramount, but geeze, it was just a couple of weeks ago that Montoya exited a game with 1st base coach Mark Budzinski after the latter’s daughter died in a tragic accident. I guess the front office determined that the mourning period was over. Is it ok to fire Budzinski now too, or does compassion afford him a few more days?
KyleT
“You cant fire me my co-workers daughter died!” Really? And this makes sense to you? —- Dont get me wrong, sorry for Budzinski’s loss, but the logic doesn’t make any sense.
dr. remulak
The point was “too soon.” I would expect most of the team has been a bit distraught by the tragic incident, and perhaps their lethargy reflects that. Too soon, that’s all.
KamKid
Maybe it’s a part of the decision? Maybe they are at a point where they see Montoyo as needing respite from this. I know his family had put up with some fan bullying earlier this season. Julia Budzinski’s passing hit him hard. He has his own family and a son who has health concerns. Maybe he’s not up for it anymore and they see it. Maybe it’s just brutal but maybe there’s some compassion in it too.
Luke Strong
Ridiculous upper level management to fire the manager who you just extended bc the club went on a rough stretch. It’s like they understand nothing about baseball, that bad runs are unavoidable but don’t necessarily spell doom, it’s a long season. Knee jerk reactions like this destabilize the club. I believe the manager has no determinable impact on the teams success over the full season, it all comes down to the collective skill of the players. Any given loss could be perceived to be on a bad decision by a manager, but it just as easily could have worked out favorably.
joemoes
Twins have amazing pitchers come up through their systems to seemingly fall off a cliff they sometimes rebound a little bit but johan Santana and Francisco Liriano come to mind
MannyPineappleExpress9
I can’t figure out why fans of a team that just fired its manager for team failures, want so badly for said team to rush out and hire another manager who only recently got fired from a different team for the same exact reason.
VonPurpleHayes
@ManyPineappleExpress9 Couldn’t agree more.
Rsox
Anyone know what Cito or Fregosi are up to these days?
Jacobs-Dad1981
Jim Fregosi died in 2014…
Rsox
“Then cross him off”
pbfog
Why just casually toss in that he’s bilingual?
notnamed
hopefully oli marmol is next. if not, it will be a players mutiny
JimmyForum
Toronto probably knows Craig Counsell is getting fired after the season
tigerfan1968
Give the new guy a chance. Charlie definitely over his head , especially handling pitchers. Also unwilling to change the line up no matter what… I know Springer was lead off in Houston but that was a different team. Here he should bat third… Moreno can hit and they send him down stupid … Maybe Chapman bat second. Gurriel first. try something… Gurriel finally hitting, I mean his brother said he is better hitter than him…
CluHaywood
Great. Now do TLR. Intentionally walking batters with their pitcher ahead in counts, undisciplined at the plate and in the field, questionable BP management and lineups. Not a lot he does right.
Aoe3
I didnt mind Montoyo with Toronto. Lack of discipline and rowdy atmosphere did tick me off at times. And it seems he was too soft when the team maybe needed a chewing out.. But I believe this is more about “shocking” the younger players, disrupting the clubhouse ect. Still shocked by it.
Yankeesforever
some advice
It is not the manager’s fault, that a team of players coronate themselves the best in the league and go about patting themselves on the back after every hit.
Check your ego, you are not that good. temper your over-the-top youthful exuberance with some maturity perhaps then you will go about winning games, not celebrating yourselves.
Pads Fans
So you are saying they shouldn’t act like the Yankees? The Yankees that are being praised by the NY press for their exuberance and fire?
Yankeesforever
the yankees are winning. Win first, then celebrate.
Pads Fans
In case you didn’t notice, the Blue Jays are winning. Same record as last season at this point and on pace to win exactly as many games as they were expected to. That is after a losing 9 of 11.
Yankeesforever
you will have to take that up with the Jays organization who seem to disagree with you on the definition of “winning” since they are only two games removed from last place in the division and 15.5 games behind the first place.
jimmertee
The Jays are suppose to be much best than last years record at this point in the season.
jimmertee
Better* AAC.
Yankeesforever
for example when Machado hits a homer to bring the Padres within 5 runs, dont go down first base looking into the dugout saying feed me, put your head down round the bases and realize you have work to do.
If the Padres hot dogging team would do that, they wouldn’t have had to fire their manager and actually be giving the dodgers a run for their money.
Pads Fans
So how long until he is a “special advisor” for the Padres?
ThisIsTheYear
Please fire Steve, he’s a useless, talentless, dolt.
Stormintazz
Does this mean the General Lee will be the new bullpen car?
roob
White Sox? Are you listening? It’s possible to fire managers now.
rememberthecoop
Not when the manager was hand picked by, and is best friends with, the owner. Only Jerry can fire Tony.
Old York
Good. A month ago I said the Jays were in freefall with no leadership. Team isn’t playing up to potential. Let’s hope this sends a message to the players. They shouldn’t be struggling with Baltimore for last in the AL East.
jimmertee
I have been same the same for years. It starts at the top.
brucenewton
Most everybody’s having a down year. Bring back Gibby.
Jonthunder
Do Aaron Boone.
Shoguneye
Its way overdo. Rudderless pandering errand boy. Not sure how much of the decision making came from upper mgmt but its the manager’s duty to manage management as well My guess is the Jays won’t hire a marquee manager who has a pair instead relying on those just thankful to have a job. its all about control.
Players need to be held to a high standard and that means discipline and accountability not combing their hair soothing and massaging their fragile egos.
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goastros123
The Blue Jays are very talented. They just need the right manager and I don’t think Charlie Montoyo was the right manager.
nyy17 2
“relieved of his duties as manager” (I.e fired)
The softening of “harsh language” in America continues.
What’s next?
“inserted into a reserve role” instead of benched?
“removed from plate appearances” instead of not in the lineup?
“soon to deliver results” instead of being in a slump?
“Mets 8, Braves “Scoring Soon” instead of Mets 8, Braves 0?
MaNameIsYeffff
“The softening of “harsh language” in America continues”
Last I checked the Blue Jays are still North in Canada and we’ve always been pretty “soft” hearted.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Have you ever worked for a corporation?
There isn’t a major corporation on the planet that doesn’t use language like that in an official statement when firing a high-profile executive. It’s standard corporate courtesy toward a former employee.
Ted
Please. Next you’ll complain that Generation Z received too many participation trophies even though they’re been around since the 70s at least.
This is not a new thing you need to be outraged about.
Allerdings
In fact, Mr. Montoyo was relieved of his duties as Manager.
nemolee.exe
It’s about damn time. Blue Jays fans, celebrate.
Lanidrac
Mike Shildt did much better than a mere .500 record as a manager fired in recent memory.
charlesk
John Schneider is a Jays lifer and had success managing in the minors! He certainly has a close relationship with the young core of Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, and others after managing and working with them through the Jays minor league system. He managed current Blue Jays Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Jordan Romano, Danny Jansen, Biggio, Guerrero Jr., and Bichette when they were co-champions of the FSL at Dunedin in 2017 (first FSL championship ever for Dunedin), and then managed many of them again, including Santiago Espinal at Double-A New Hampshire when they won the EL Championship in 2018 and he was named EL Manager of the Year. He also pitched to Guerrero Jr. during the 2019 MLB Home Run Derby! So he’s been with the young core effectively since 2017, given all of those players above were called up to the major league Blue Jays from 2018-2020, overlapping with Schneider either as a manager in Lansing, Dunedin, and/or New Hampshire from 2016-2018 and also with the big club from 2019 onwards. He’s won two MiLB championships with this group as well. At 42, he is also close to Bobby Cox (41) and John Gibbons (42) as the youngest ever major league manager to be promoted to that role in Blue Jays history.
vinc3nt3
Like the old saying goes…..players win games…managers lose them.
BaseballBrian
What a career for John Schneider. Dukes of Hazard,#1 country songs, and now an MLB manager.
Dunedin020306
BaseballBrian – AND he bounced back from a very acrimonious divorce.
Good for him!
vinc3nt3
Barbara Bach as the bench coach??? Lol
miltpappas
I think it’s Catherine Bach. Barbara Bach is Mrs. Ringo
Dunedin020306
FINALLY. As a long-time Blue Jays fan, I’ve been expecting this move. The Jays have been way underperforming and need a different manager to help right the ship.
cadagan
John Schneider is Bo Duke. Just sayin.
Armaments216
And Russell Martin is a footballer.
Fire Krall
owner is crazy cooter!
BuJoBi
Joe and Joe both suck!! We don’t want either of them, management isn’t going to hire either of them, and there is actually other people who would be eligible and good candidates.
Dunedin020306
JustaJaysFan – From one Jays fan to another: You said “there is actually other people who would be eligible and good candidates.”. but then did not elaborate. Please feel free to list who these supposed “eligible and good candidates” are.
vaderzim
Peter Angelos is breathing down Shapiro’s neck.
Mario93
Wow.. this is some big news. Charlie was okay, but the team to me at least doesn’t have a disciplined approach, and definitely lacks seriousness at times to win. “Having fun” is nice when you’re winning, but when you lose, and your hitters are swinging at everything it doesn’t look too good. To me, there’s no urgency to win with this club, we need a manager like Buck Showalter. Someone serious, who’s all about winning and absolutely nothing else. Some guys need to get kicked in their arse … And take every at bat like it’s the World Series, because that’s how winning is done.
rodcarew
Not a Jays fan but I thought they would go places this year.
mbauza25
And the reds don’t fire bell with the worst record in mlb
Fire Krall
not the worst record..check standings…they have been most of the season. I agree fire Bell …should of been canned when they lost 10 consecutive home games. I expect Larkin to take over.
OhioDodger
The Reds failure is on the owners, not Bell.
Amanda
cora will NEVER be fired, the fans, team and owners love him, because hes young, played and can reach guys, hes alot like francona, think about it, he was fired for a year then IMMEDIATELY brought back, they faked interviewed a few guys to go through the motions then brought him back, the troubles of the red sox solely rest of haim bloom, hes the one that signs, or in this case, doesnt sign guys, the day he decided not to sign freddie freeman was enough for his job, cant say anything about montoyo, im not one of the 5 people on earth that knew who we was.
Amanda
but if the red sox do miss the playoffs or get swept immediately i do think he will either be replaced next season or alot of his staff will, pitching coach, hitting, etc
Shady1771
I’d like to see Gibby come back! It was very clear during RJ Martin’s tribute that he is still a fan favourite. He was able to get the most out of his players and I think could do the same with our Jays current lineup!
jimmertee
And Gibby is a straight shooter. He won’t put up with the Gurriel jr, Hernandez and Vladdy jr antics
Shady1771
Absolutely! It’s time for the kids to grow up a bit and get serious. It’s absolutely okay to have fun but within reason. They are being paid a huge paycheque to perform; not act silly.
Shady1771
Jays should also be looking at Pete Walker as something is going on with him regarding his pitching staff. Pitching woes are not on Montoyo, they are on the pitching coach! 1 pitcher struggling is one thing but practically all of them sends many signals that Jays management should be paying attention to.
canajay12
I think Danny Jansen is a big cause there. Him being out of the lineup injured all the time. There’s a big drop off when he’s gone.
Shady1771
Absolutely agree!
ArianaGrandSlam
Wow he must have recommended Kikuchi so strongly to GM last year saying something like “it’s him or my ass!”
bucsfan0004
According to the players, i guess they knew it was coming for a few weeks…. since Milwaukee. I think the Jays have a good coaching staff now with Schiender, Candele, etc
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
As bad as the Sox are playing, I’m surprised the Jay’s are right there with us.
TJT88
“Montoyo has been “relieved of his duties as manager” (i.e. fired)“. #yikes. Man people with money love flushing it down the toilet. One day your praising your employee via a financial boost, the next you are kicking em out the back door. That’s really crappy. At least he secured a free years salary
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They should hire me. I would bring Toronto to the world series
JimmyForum
There was a girl from Toronto that used to follow me on twitter.com. We engaged a few times and eventually she slid in my DMs asking if I’d be interested in a sugar daddy/sugar baby relationship. She was somehow under the assumption that I was a wealthy diplomat who maintained a flock of women in various cities when the reality was I was selling my furniture just to eat. I gave her my phone number and she called me one night while she was in the bathtub. I reminded her just how disgusting bath water really is and the amount of bacteria she’s lying in.
jimmertee
FrozenRopes
Great guy, average manager. This likely was going to happen at the end of the year if this team didn’t make the playoffs but in the last few weeks, that clubhouse looked like a country club and then reviewing the play when Vladdy very clearly said not to because he knew.
Charlie seems like a good bench coach or maybe base coach. Schneider may be the right guy. He coached the core in the minors, won a title etc. He’s a fiery guy, If he can handle the bullpen and write a lineup down.
tigersgm
Oh oh Hinch