TODAY: The Yankees, Cardinals, and Blue Jays seem to be the top suitors for Montas, as Jon Morosi of MLB Network writes that the right-hander’s “market is focused on” these three teams.
JULY 30: With Luis Castillo now on his way to Seattle following last night’s trade to the Mariners, Frankie Montas stands out as perhaps the best and likeliest arm left to be traded before Tuesday’s 5pm CT deadline. The majority of teams that held interest in Castillo are involved, to varying extents, in the Montas market, so it’s possible that last night’s deal begins to accelerate the pace of the pitching market overall.
The Yankees, for instance, were known to be Castillo suitors but have now made Montas their top target according to both Bob Nightengale of USA Today and Jon Heyman of the New York Post (Twitter links). The Cardinals, who never seemed likely to be able to land Castillo from a fellow NL Central club, are continuing their pursuit of Montas, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch writes. Their pursuit, however, is complicated a bit by simultaneous interest in Nationals superstar Juan Soto; Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes in his latest column that some of the Cardinals prospects the A’s are targeting in return for Montas are also coveted by the Nationals.
Several other clubs were linked to both Montas and Castillo in the past week, including the Twins, Padres and Blue Jays. There are also surely other clubs on the periphery of the market whose presence isn’t publicly known. Both Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News and Rosenthal have indicated, for instance, that the Rangers had engaged with the Reds in talks regarding Castillo. Whether the A’s would seriously entertain sending Montas to a division rival isn’t clear, but it’s telling that Texas is in the market for arms that can be controlled into 2023.
The Athletics’ asking price on Montas was reportedly quite high even before last night’s trade of Castillo potentially upped Oakland’s leverage in talks. In profiling the Cardinals’ current rotation needs, Katie Woo of The Athletic wrote (prior to the Castillo deal) that Oakland is believed to be seeking a pair of top prospects and “potentially a currently rostered player with substantial team control remaining.” It’s a steep ask, to be sure, though not an unrealistic one given Montas’ trade value.
Cards will get left with nothing.
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They got Jojo. That is something. As a Phillies fan, I hate to lose that depth.
Jojo is toast. I’m very glad they woln’t be tabbing him again.
If the Padres don’t get Soto, I think the Cardinals will.
The Cardinals prospects aren’t that good. If they were, Rizzo would have pulled the trigger. He’s using the Cards to increase bidding.
you clearly have zero clue what you’re talking about.
Aren’t that good is an understatement. Their prospects as a group are middle of the road and if they didn’t have Walker things would be really rough. How they’re in on Soto talks is a wonder. They have Gorman who at times looks great but can also look very frustrating. They act like Libertore hasn’t been up yet looking like hot garbage. Bader and Carlson are just not very good major leaguers they appear to be fourth OFs at best so far. For some reason Card’s fans think teams want those two. They’re going to have some hard realities to come to grips with when it comes to using their prospects to land players in trades. They literally have zero chance at getting Soto. To be quite honest San Diego is even borderline when it comes to Soto. They’ll have to part with Hassel, Woods, and Merrill to get Soto leaving them finally depleted enough to finish off their system. As things sit right now there are probably four teams that the Nats are looking at and hoping they get or stay involved, Dodgers, Yankees, Toronto, and the Mets. There are other teams with good systems but they can’t afford the $20M a year it’s gonna cost to pay Soto’s arb number the next two seasons.
Mystery Team: You’re overlooking Aaa Alec Burleson, Tink Hence & a handful of other guys. Just because they’re not household names (yet), most people don’t pay attention to up and coming prospects. Both of the ones that I mentioned came from the shortened 2020 (5 round) draft.
Looking at the MLB Pipeline Top 100 prospects, I see four with the Cardinals logo.
You got a turd brain….use Google and research for yourself before making an ignorant statement.
What are you talking about?? lmao, Cards are widely now considered to have one of the best farm systems and young roster players to offer in any deal, and to my point Bleacher Report just ranked them as having SECOND best farm system in all of mlb. And Carlson, the player who just finished third in rookie of the year voting last year with a 3.3 WAR in rookie year is a fourth outfielder at best??? Bader who just won gold glove, leads entire league in defensive runs saved of any player over last couple of years and put up 4 WAR last season, is a fourth outfielder at best?? He’s literally the best fielding outfielder in all of MLB, who would want that guy right? You’re a clown
Lmao, yeah bc they didn’t just get rated as second best farm system in all of mlb by Bleacher Report, or reports by all of mlb experts for having one of the best packages possible to offer Nationals for Soto. Jordan Walker is a lot of experts number one prospect in all of mlb, but is ranked 7th currently, and Cards have 5 in top 100. With Maysn Winn on his way to being top 10 by next year, just threw ball over 100mph from short-stop and is fastest recorded in all of baseball including the Mlb. You’re a clown bro
“The Cardinals prospects aren’t that good. If they were, Rizzo would have pulled the trigger. He’s using the Cards to increase bidding.”
Because of course he wouldn’t play off all the prospective trade partners against each other to raise all their offers.
The Cardinals’ farm was ranked 14th by Kiley McDaniel at ESPN, with four Top 100 prospects. The Padres’ farm was ranked 15th, also with four in the Top 100, and the Padres have been discussed among the favorites to land Soto.
So the Cardinals’ MLB beat writer postulates a possible trade for Soto, but random fans on MLBTR know better . . . of course.
mlb.com/cardinals/news/cardinals-options-approachi…
The cards always seem to develop guys out of nowhere, so even if their system is considered weak or average, they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt.
Their system is good at the moment, but I wouldn’t put a ton of stock in Bleacher Report. They just regurgitate info from legit baseball outlets, who themselves are generally way behind actual MLB franchises.
…Carlson a 4th outfielder lolololololololol
12% above avg and 15% above avg offense in his first two seasons, above avg defense, above avg baserunning…this is either ignorance or denial
I literally just made an account because this comment was too stupid to not reply to. Baseball America gives the Cardinals 7 top 100 prospects. Pipeline gives them 5. Many including Jim Bowden believe Jordan Walker is the best prospect in all of baseball. He will be in the top 2-3 next season. Guys like Tink Hence, Alec Burleson, and Moises Gomez are having incredible seasons and are flying up prospect boards. Randy Flores and this front office have absolutely killed their recent drafts, and while the jury is still out on 2022, things look promising. The St. Louis Cardinals have one of the best farm systems in baseball.
Additionally, Carlson is very projectable. As a 23 year old, he has already proven to be a solid big leaguer, and will continue to improve. He and Bader (one of the best defensive CFs in baseball) are both starters on the vast majority of teams.
In total, the player development of the Cardinals is as good as any organization in baseball. Look no further than the plethora of rookies producing at the big league level, including Donovan, Yepez, Pallante, Gorman, and others.
This mystery team guy has a potato for a brain lmao
I never comment either, but after reading this dudes comment on cards having horrible farm system, it blew my mind. And us being ranked 14th by mlb.com was pre-season, before Wynn, Grafecco, Burelson, Tink Hence, Gomez, etc all took off. Bleacher Report just ranked us SECOND in ALL of Mlb for farm systems, dude is a clown.
Lmao @Bleacher Report guy
**Additionally, Carlson is very projectable. As a 23 year old, he has already proven to be a solid big leaguer, and will continue to improve.**
Anytime you hear that someone is a “solid” big leaguer, that means he’s average at best, plateaud as a prospect, and you’re trying to convince me otherwise. Basically a good depth player. Yeah, no thanks.
bleacher report is garbage, but STL is definitely in the top 10.
Cards and dodgers both… As a Padres fan I hate to admit it, but the dodgers and cardinals always develop amazing players, so even after they sell the farm, they have more coming down the pipeline
Says the guy who posted last week that the Cardinals were “an American league team’
lol
Apparently, dodgers, padres and cardinals are still in.
What are you talking about lol? The Cardinals have one of the best farm systems in the MLB. Plus, I personally hope the Cards land Montas rather than Soto. They need pitching way worse and their OF already has a backlog of players. Plus there is no way the Cards will give Soto a 15 yr, $400+ mil contract. I mean he is a heck of a player and having a good year, but hitting .245 isn’t acceptable if you are going to be making that kind of money. I feel like if they could get Montas and extend his contract for like another 3-4 yrs past his original contract, then he could definitely be worth the price. I would give up Gorman and another prospect for him w/o thinking twice about it.
I’m thinking if the Dodgers are not just driving up the price on the Padres, they’ll come up with Soto. Which I’m not happy with because that’s not what they need.
No doubt you have better sources than Jeff Passan:
“While this isn’t purely a two-team race — the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers both have the talent, money and motivation to make a worthwhile offer — the San Diego Padres and St. Louis Cardinals are considered the favorites for a right-now trade because of a litany of factors, sources said.”
He’s talking about Juan Soto.
I feel if you have a choice of getting Juan Soto or Frankie Montas, you definitely got to go with Soto every time. That!said your team has to have the top prospects, and the money to land him and to sign him to an extension. I think the smart move is to sign Soto now, instead of waiting for 2.5 years when he’ll be worth more later. $500 million definitely seems reasonable for Soto right now
On that I disagree, if I have a choice Soto or Montas I want Montas. Why? Quality pitching is tougher to get than an OF/DH. Take the Yankees, Severino has an injury history that could derail your World Series hopes at anytime. If you add Montas as insurance you’d still be in a decent position with Cole, Tallion, Montgomery, and Montas. Now if you add Soto you get the opportunity to take Stanton out the field? Have Bennitendi play CF and replace your best fielding OF Hicks? (Other than Bennitendi)
I just don’t see that adding up to more wins for the Yankees you have the best power lineup in baseball. Pitching depth gets you guys a ring this season.
Not to mention by far you will have the most expensive OF/DH combination in the game. Your payroll would be concentrated on Judge, Stanton, Soto, and Rizzo. Three corner outfielders/ DH types and a first baseman. That’s definitely not a good thing….
Kingbum,
If the Yankees acquired Juan Soto, they would play Judge in center, Benintendi in left, and Soto in right. Hicks would become a late inning defensive replacement. There is no way he would remain the Center Fielder.
I agree that a top flight starting pitcher provides more value, but I’m not convinced Montas is a top flight starter. He’s OK but would you feel comfortable starting in game 2 or even game 3 if you were behind in the series? He’s not El Duque or David Cone.
Mickey777,
With the power lineup the Yankees already trot out there every night yes I’d be comfortable with Montas in a Game 2….not a Game 3 though and I wouldn’t have my 2nd best starter pitching game 2 and that’s because the game 3 pitcher in a game 7 scenario pitches. Game 3 also would be a road game for the Yankees I rather have Severino pitch game 3 and maybe game 7.
Ask the ’95 Indians about how great a power lineup does against a team with a good pitching staff in the World Series
Lol fill that way about the dodgers this year
“We really tried hard to bring in impact players for the stretch run!” “However—- in the end—-We just couldn’t turn loose that many ‘Top Prospects’ for just an impact pitcher and an impact hitter!” ( PAUSE) “We just couldn’t jeopardize the future of the Cardinals”.
“So we decided to just stand pat and go with what we have!”
How many YEARS have the Cardinals Fans heard this line of explanation past all of these past Years????
John Mozeliak is consistent though!!! We’ve heard that explanation for doing nothing to help the team at the trading deadlines for many years now.
My guess—— No Soto, No Montas, No Ohtani !!!
But Yes—- We will, once more get to hear Mozeliak’s annual “We tried Hard —-But…… “. Speech on August 3rd.
You guys have a tough enough time judging Mlb players so please stop evaluating minor leaguers that some of you have barely seen…
That’s a good speech, that’s a speech all fans should want to hear from their gm,means their team is always a contender. A contender is any team that makes the playoffs since the playoffs in mlb are a complete crapshoot. A crapshoot means any team can win as long as they’re in the playoffs. Doesn’t matter if you don’t believe it but it’s true. As long as your team is in the playoffs enough eventually they will win.
Seeing how the Cards have a recent history of trading for superstars like Goldy and Arenado I would pick them as the favorites to land Soto. They seem willing to part with what it takes. Hopefully, they continue the tradition of developing quality pitchers because they will need rookie contracts to offset the cost of those 3.
@thecoffinnail goldy and nolan were offseason trades and took advantage of taking on salary/disgruntled player (the later is nolan) and we didn’t give up much for either. i can’t remember the last time mo made a big trade during the season. mo’s m.o. is during the season is trade for low hanging fruit and go for more in the offseason and sprinkle in a big move here and there. with that said and the odds stacked against us making a big move @ the deadline, i could see mo making a move because his seat is getting pretty warm. fans are getting tired of the same mo speech every aug and february, “we we’re so close but just came up short” or never addressing the holes in our pitching and ss. i’m sure ownership is starting to see the effects stadium attendance is down, our last home playoff game couldn’t sell out because fans are getting frustrated here in the lou. i just hope mo doesn’t make a move in desperation just to save his job and trade the farm for soto who will walk in 2 years. me personally i’d rather have montas, he’s having a good year playing for a aaa team than soto who’s only ability is to hit and can’t field. this team is built around it’s solid d and we already weakened it by playing edman at ss so we can get gormans bat in the lineup.
I hope they do, no offense but the price is sky high, Montas has had shoulder issues… Mark Mulder 2.0 and I’m not about to trade Dan Haren again….
Brodie-Bruce ——-
You hit several points dead on!!! When Pujols came up, Walt Jockerty saw what he had as soon as Albert won the ROY AWARD. He was building toward a series of years to be World Series contenders. While acquiring, besides Pujols, McGwire, Edmond, Rolen, Renteria, Walker, Will Clark, wainwright, etc. To give him credit, Mozeliak did carry that on for about 3 years. Acquiring Bergman, then when Pujols left, Mo acquired Carlos Beltran.
Then—— for some unknown reason—- Mozeliak’s rationalization of obtaining quality players left and you began hearing phrases such as “Finding Lightning in a Bottle”, or “Obtaining Low Hanging Fruit”
Your correct Mozeliak’s mind set gets weirder each season. At the beginning of the season, the Cardinals started 5 reigning Gold Gloves and a 9 time Gold Glover behind the plate who were taking the field every day!
Then Mozeliak through Marmol, started busting up the line ups daily. Anything to get the Cardinal players out of their comfort zone.
Mozeliak did spend money over the Off-Season though——-While dumpster diving he actually came up with 4 players who have been awful!!! Only one is beginning to hit out of his shell.
Mozeliak does not like to trade for impact help at mid Season. We all know that!!!
Right now Mozeliak has the Cardinals name attached to 3 impact player with one day to go before the deadline. I truly believe that is all for show.
I just don’t see Mozeliak as having the ability to pull off a beneficial
Farhan should be taking calls on Carlos Rodon. Trade everyone of value, get younger. Rodon will not sign long term in SF.
They better trade him. If they don’t, it’ll be a damn mistake.
I agree, Rodon is a stud. Would love to see him pitching deep into the playoffs for a contender.
Should trade Rodon, Flores, Slater and I would have said Joc but concussion protocols
Sounds like they are taking calls on Rodon, and others. Seller market it seems.
Make them take LaStella too. LOL
All they’d get is a comp pick. I don’t think Zaidi isn’t as delusional as other GMs who talk themselves into believing that’s an acceptable return. SF will get value back for Rodon.
Lol keep dreaming. Have to give up to get talent. Yankee fans always want everyone else’s players without giving up anything substantial. Jokes.
i saw several trade proposals on twitter offering some slapdick prospects ranked in the 20s in exchange for rodon, lol. so delusional.
That’s because we’re the Yankees. Duh. Ahahahaha!
Which is why they are “Castilloless”…Word from the Cincinnati Enquirer is that Cashman got “snipey” with Krall and they haven’t talked for a few weeks…
@Titanic Struggle
Krall must have said “no” to paying Castillo’s remaining salary while only getting Miguel Andujar and a half empty bag of Big League Chew in return
You’ll see Yanks fans saying Montas for Gallo.
I take these things with a grain of salt but in the MLB trade simulator Andujar has a trade value of -0.6 and Gallo has a value of 0.8. So if a team took both of them for nothing they’d break even.
No, you won’t. No Yankee fan expects any kind of return for Gallo. If Cashman gets anything, it’ll be considered a minor victory at the end of one of his worst recent trades.
Fink,
If Cashman gets someone to pay part of Gallo’s remaining approximately 4 million salary it will be a miracle! Of course, no knowledgeable Yankee fan expects any significant return for Gallo.
I love the situation the giants are in. Watching their fans cry in the comment section is pretty enjoyable.
Cry? Really? Soon the tide turns for every team. Giants are in a great position to compete for a very long time in the next two years piazza boy!
Yeah they look great with all those aging vets and top prospects in the lower minors. At least they have tons of cash they can offer to players who turn them down like Harper did.
I was referring to the recent complaints from giants fans begging them to sale any player of value. Maybe cry was too strong of a word. Do you prefer whine?
However you choose to put it piazza boy. They do have tons of cash and I guarantee they’ll be landing those BIG contracts just like your doyer boys when the time is right. Keep on spending though, in hopes of a championship. I’ve been waiting since 88 for you boys to win.
Keep looking up in the standings, that’s where you’ll see the dodgers. You guys have had one good season since 2016. That’s something to be proud of.
I’ll stop punching down now and let you guys get back to the fire sale.
Punching down? Ha! 3 rings since your ‘88 season. I’ll take what the Giants have done over what your Doyers have done anyway. Keep looking down. We do better that way
A giants fan talking crap to a Dodgers fan? You must be stuck in the past or just have no shame. LA won a championship since you guys and SF has been horrible these last few years. I have no horse in this race but I would be embarrassed if I were a fan of the Giants and talking smack. Especially to the team that just swept you and has beat your division in 8 of the last 9 years
Talk about no self awareness, balk.
I have plenty of awareness, and no, that championship didn’t count, don’t waste anyones time saying that ring counts after only not even a half a season! 88 was their last ring partner
Come on man, you look silly talking smack to the team that owns your state.
Every baseball fan knows anything can happen in the playoffs. Thats how the giants won those rings even though they had garbage teams most of those years. Plus everyone competed on the same shortened schedule in 2020. Giant fans are pathetic and your team is still garbage, that’s why central valley is complaining about needing to sell your good 1 year players. If you guys could compete you would be going for it.
I don’t look anything but a fan of a team that has three rings bubba.
That’s a balk just like your loser franchise
Like my loser franchise? Ha! They’ll always be your BIG brother from New York. Just the fact you stated the years the Giants won rings they were garbage, tells you don’t have a clue about how a ring is won. It’s definitely not won in 80 games! Ha! But hey, I’ll take the three rings over being in first place any day. Keep searching for that division title there RUSTY! Ha
Would love to have Montas, but definitely not at any cost. Pick ONE of the following Peraza, Waldichuk, Austin Wells. Additionally a couple of prospects not in the top 30.
You saw what Castillo took. If it’s only one of those three, it’s probably at least two more top 30s at least.
Average
You are probably right, too rich for my blood. I’ll look elsewhere. I don’t think Montas is the missing link for the Yankees.
I would be hesitant to go all in on a pitcher with shoulder problems but they need to get difference making starter.
Indeed we do. Now that Castillo is unfortunately gone, who’s left besides Montas that would be a serious asset? Pablo Lopez?
Maybe Rodon but I wouldn’t count on it.
I’d like Lopez, who has a higher bWAR than Montas this year, but I would worry about his repeated shoulder injuries.
I’m a Red Sox fan but I’m telling you the Yankees are a rotation piece and a high leverage reliever away from winning it all. You have the best power lineup in baseball and one of the best bullpen (gotta replace King though and he’s lights out). Your weakness is your rotation and even that is above average. You guys get Montas or Lopez and find a high leverage arm nobody is beating you 4 games not even Houston or Atlanta who I feel is your biggest competition.
Nah its gunna be Volpe, Jasson, Florial and Waldichuk.
Maybe it will be an injured pitcher and outfielder with the third best SS prospect in the Yankees system. That was the cost last time the Yankees got an A’s pitcher.
That was a terrible trade for the A’s. Only thing left is kap who looks like a #4 starter. Peraza would be the guy the Yanks need to give up since Volpe is not on the trade list.
Lmao, you really think the Montas will command a bigger return than Castillo? Here’s a hint, if the Yankees weren’t willing to move Volpe for Castillo, they definitely won’t for Montas
Or the Reds liked Marte over your vastly overrated Volpe.
No, the Reds wanted Volpe but once the Yankees deemed him untouchable, they moved on. It’s also hilarious you think Volpe is “vastly overrated” because he struggled early in the season. He’s been one the best players in the minors over the last two months
Can’t read I see. i said Volpe is on the no trade list means he is not getting traded. Why do yank fans think they do not need to trade a top prospect for a quality player?
My first comment wasn’t directed at you ARC. This site doesn’t organize comments properly
Sorry man thought it was at me. Volpe will not get traded. The A’s already tried for him in the Olson trade proposal and NY said no to trading Volpe.
Why not Miguel Andujar and Clint Frazier?
Typically unrealistic Yankee fan.
Clint Frazier is now Jackson Frazier and he was signed with the Cubs in the offseason. Does that make you a typically unrealistic Pirates fan?
There’s no such thing as an unrealistic Pirates fan…. they haven’t had expectations since the early 90s.
Expecting the Yankees to trade a player they don’t have seems kind of unrealistic to me. But opinions can vary, I suppose.
It’s going to take 2 of those 3 just to get the conversation started, otherwise no Frankie and no WS.
It’ll cost Peraza and Waldy + a couple more. And even that might not be enough. A’s might want Dominguez or Volpe as the headliner given Marte headlined Castillo package.
Lol yes and they are not getting that. Yanks are using Montas as leverage for another arm just like Oakland is using the Yankees. They don’t deal with each other and Oakland always demands the world from the Yanks. Cash will identify another arm. Plus Montas shoulder issues concern fans.
The A’s are not going to settle for just one top prospect and two throwaways/non-prospects. Certainly not after Seattle gave up two top prospects for Castillo. And Wells is a C which is the one position where the A’s have a lot of depth. So he is not going to be a guy they would target.
@Mickey777- hearing Peraza, Waldichuk, Andujar and another small piece will get it done. No Volpe and no Dominguez.
Would hate to lose Waldichuk but that trade sounds doable.
@Capt and Joe says. I’d want a bullpen piece as well for Peraza, Waldichuk and Andujar I think that would be an excellent return for the A ‘s.
@Mickey777- yes definitely, maybe we add a Vasquez or a Sears and get Lou Trevino back as well.
I doubt the A’s have any issue sending Montas to Texas after the recent Heim and Minor trades.
If the Rangers make the best offer they’d be stupid not to trade him there.
Intra-division trade hesitation is way overblown.
I think it’s more than just overblown, I think it generally flies in the face of reality. For superstars? Sure, there’s probably some hesitation to send them within the division, but for everybody else it’s pretty common.
No doubt. If the Rangers are willing to offer Jung, either of Winn/White, plus another 50-grader you could see Montas suiting up for them. They got the cash to lock him up with an extension too.
I can’t see them including Jung in a package for Montas.
You want no part of Winn. He is Chi Chi Gonzalez.
Rather use those potential prospects and add a few more for someone like Pablo Lopez. Montas is just a #3 with injury issues to give up prospects for.
If the A’s get Nolan Gorman then this terrible season will have been all worth it.
I have a feeling the Cardinals would only trade Gorman in a Soto deal, and I recall at least one baseball reporter stating that the team was considering doing just that
Never doubt a reporter. Rotflmao
I don’t think the cards will consider offering soto a 400 mil $ extension therefore they are out.
Hindsight- Walker has to be on top of nationals list
So . . . doubt a reporter, but never doubt you, who no doubt have much better sources than The Athletic, the New York Post, the Belleville News-Democrat, ESPN, the Washington Examiner and the Washington Post, all of which have described a possible trade for Soto with Gorman as the centerpiece from St. Louis.
It’s the media in 2022, most of them don’t even have sources anymore…
Source?
My sources want to remain anonymous
Would love a Gorman/Winn package from the Redbirds. Fair value considering what Castillo brought back.
This is definitely a seller’s market.
You get the gold medal for best name on MLBTR! And you’re absolutely right – great time to be a seller of pitching.
There are other options, Montas had shoulder problems earlier this year. He might not be the best option. I would look elsewhere to Syndergaard, or Lopez!
Syndergaard is a significant dropoff. The guy is closer to a number 4 these days.
I wonder how Syndergaard would work out if he became a closer?
He’s only throwing around 94 and not 99-100 like in the past.
Lopez is under team control until 2025, Miami will want just as much for him as the Reds got for Castillo with the amount of team control that he has.
Zzzzzzz, trades suck so far, somebody do something, please?
What do we want?
TRADES!
When do we want ’em?
NOW!
If they need SP, STL could just trade for Soto & I’m sure WSH would be happy to throw in Corbin.
Corbin is trash
If the Cards give Gorman for Montas I will pull my pants down and walk across the street.
Pull your pants down and zip line from sky bar onto field lolz
HAHAHAAA!
They better not give up that much for Montas.
Might as well cardsfan. Max Scherzer nearly dropped his pants last year of spider tack checks.
If the Cards have only enough prospects to get 1 player, then get Soto. Bumgarner won’t cost anything in prospects, just salary.
The Cardinals have had a need in the rotation since opening day when Aaron Brookes lol was given a spot. Funniest thing ever
Aaron Brooks was never given a spot in the rotation nor has he a start this year. He did, however, make the bullpen briefly. At least get your facts straight.
I wouldn’t waist good prospects trading for Montas, he’s only pitched over 100inn 1 time in his career and already having shoulder problems? Nah I’m good. I’d rather get Rodon, Lopez or Mahle
I agree 100%
Reds fan, and I agree. Talk to us about Mahle..
Montas H/W splits are scary. That’s why I don’t trust A’s pitchers.
Just read that Farhan is indeed taking calls regarding Carlos Rodon.
Sellers market Farhan, here’s your chance to get younger. The farm isn’t close to being ready.
Montas is the same as Mahle. why the climax for him and not Mahle???
“The Giants are now open to moving anyone not named Logan Webb.” Her we go, things are about to get real interesting.
Hey NY… Mahle for Peraza and Medina…or are you a$$ hurt..
I was thinking Florial and Waldichuk for Mahle +
Stupid
Cost more than those 2 overhyped kids for Mahle
Periera and Wes would be plenty for the quality of pitcher Mahle is, won’t even think of including Waldy. Even so most teams will look at Quintana before they give 2-3 top 15 prospects for a number 4-5 pitcher on a playoff team.
“The A’s asking price is high…” you know they’ll get marginal prospects at best. The A’s always get quantity over quality. The trade hasn’t even happened and I’m already disappointed with the A’s return.
Trading for prospects is a numbers game because most prospects no matter how highly regarded never reach the potential teams project for them. The A’s have traded for top prospects over the years who have done well (e.g. Sean Manaea, Gio Gonzalez) and some who have flamed out (e.g. Franklin Barreto, Jesus Luzardo, Grant Holmes, Dustin Fowler) and also have traded for less prominent guys who have performed better than expected (e.g. Donaldson, Bassitt, Montas).
Yankees land Montas
Are there other prospects outside of Volpe or Peraza? I’m talking league wide. I’m so tired of hearing about these two as if they are Jeter and Rodriguez.
I’m not trading Gorman, Wynn OR Walker for Montas if I’m Mo. Montas is ok, but he’s also already showing shoulder issues. I’d rather go get Thor for less. I’m hesitant on trading Gorman for Soto as well. lots of years of cheap control to get rid of. That’s just me. I think they’d be stupid to trade and empty the farm. we need pitching. we don’t NEED Soto, and the pitching doesn’t NEED to be Montas. I’d be happy af with Lopez or Thor, or BOTH those guys and no Soto.
The Cardinals don’t need Soto? Classic Cardinal fan. You guys make me sick.
the Cardinal’s need pitching. idgaf if you’re sick. can Soto pitch? you act as if your opinion of me means something. in fact YOU mean nothing. idc how you feel about my opinion. we’re all entitled them. the Cardinal’s offense is fine WITHOUT Soto. he’s a GREAT player. But they have great offensive players. Soto isn’t signing an extention, so he’s not high on my priority list. just as teaching manners wasn’t apparently high on your parents list. it’s not your fault I guess.
I’d rather go get Thor for less.
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Go for Eovaldi. He’ll cost 1/3 the price of Montas. He’ll cost you something, but nothing strategic.
I like Eovaldi as well.
A lot of people on here keep saying it’s a sellers market for pitching but I think they’re mistaken because it was a Castillo market not every other pitchers market. The Mariners overpaid to ensure they got Castillo. Montas and Rodon aren’t going to being back anywhere near the return the Reds got for Castillo. Might want to temper those expectations because it’s not going to happen.
The Braves moves are rarely predictable.
Would love the Braves to grab him but I’m confident it won’t happen …
Jays will settle for Lou Trevino. Just like Brad Hand last year. Fail.
they could trade a 30 Y O A ball minor leaguer for Trivino and the A’s would say OK.
How has Montas done against the Astros? I don’t know where to find that. He probably has quite a few starts against them.
For his career against HOU he is 8-5, 3.40 ERA. This season he is 1-1, 3.00 ERA
Thanks. Looks like he has hung in there against the Astros so far.
As a Yankees fan, I don’t really want Montas. I don’t necessarily see him as a difference maker in the playoffs. He’s a good pitcher, but based on the available evidence he’s more of a solid addition for a team that’s on the bubble trying to battle and get to the postseason than someone you want to go to war with in October. Rodon has hugely more upside, you can picture him getting dialed in and utterly dominating in the postseason. I would even roll the bones on Syndergaard over Montas. 2.42 postseason era, pure brass competitor. After years of flailing, the NYY finally now have evaluators and a pitching coach that can move guys up, so I hope they deploy and trust all of that talent in the run up to Tuesday.
Couldn’t have said it better. Castillo was the “guy” but that didnt happen. I dont think Montas is bad, but I’ve never feared him. I dont think he would be a bad addition but not at the price being talked about. With who is left i like Rodon as well. I see him as the best chance of a dominating run. The yanks have a big enough lead that they can afford to run some kids out there for a bit, get a look at what we got.
Syndergaard is overrated
I say jays and fish line up for a pablo lopez and kirk trade. Fish need a catcher and bat and get 2 birds stoned at once in that situation.
Hope Yankees don’t overpay don’t think he’s enough to get passed Astros
Rodon over Montas, if they don’t get Shohei.
My thinking exactly, Iggy.
Well they getting Shoehei I’m not convinced the Yankees are getting any of the top pitchers the way there hoarding there prospects.
Ohtani would likely be asked to pitch full time and only pinch hit, that might negatively affect his performance. The Yankees value their DH spot especially with the injury to Stanton there’s no way they don’t keep him off his feet even more during the last 1/3rd of the season. I would gladly give Volpe, Dominguez, Waldy, Wells, heck everybody the entire top 30 for Ohtani but alas he is not a good fit for the Yanks. Furthermore, Boone has previously expressed absolute disinterest in having a 6 man rotation as it takes a BP roster spot away.
The trade deadline is is the A’s “world series” each year
The trade deadline is the A’s “World Series” each year
Some update
This is the same report just reposted.. same comments even
He hasn’t been moved yet because parts of his medical evaluations sent to prospective teams have been redacted.
Yankees don’t need another starter. Everyone of their SP has a sub 3.50 ERA. Montas would be Sonny Gray 2.0
Lol what are you basing that on? Because they both happened to play in Oakland?
He’s not a difference maker and wouldn’t pitch well in NY
Montas has a career 2.57 ERA and .174 BA at Yankee Stadium.
Again…. Based on what?
Bring some facts, just not your “intuition”
Against Yankee hitters. Mike Lansing had some ridiculous .320+ batting avg at Coors Field, against Rockies pitchers and never came close to that after the Expos traded him to the Rockies
Wow, I’ve heard of apples and oranges comparisons before but that one takes the cake.
Yeah, they do need a starter. Most of their starters haven’t pitched a full season in a long time, and Gumby crapped the bed again today.
Exactly Fink Ployed.
Cortes, Taillon, Severino and German are all pitching toward big YOY increases for various reasons.
It would be cool to see the Yankees employ a two starter per game structure for these guys to help with workload management, once September roster expansion happens.
It’s a novel idea but I think it could work. The starter pitches ~50 to 60 pitches and the second starter does the same. You then finish with the bullpen if you need to.
In this way, you would have 4 starters covering 2 rotation slots and then Cole, whoever they trade for, and Montgomery fill the other three slots.
Yankees have the best pitcher in baseball and the other 3 out of the remaining 4 are having stellar seasons. Montgomery was never supposed to be anything more than #4 starter
I’m a Yankee fan but who do they have that you consider the best pitcher in baseball?
I’m not feeling great about their starters now.
I know ERA isn’t everything but Montas… who you don’t want…has a better one than Cole, who you think is best in mlb.
Gerrit Cole is the best pitcher in baseball
It’s probably an unpopular opinion, but I feel as though strikeouts are the most important factor when determining which pitcher is the best. ERA is probably just as important but I think the ability to lead the league in strikeouts shows a pitcher’s dominance most. Cole also leads base in strikeouts currently.
The best pitcher in baseball wouldn’t have pitched like that in the Wild Card game last year. Sorry.
It was his first playoff game as a Yankee. Lots of pressure
Wow. So the best pitcher in baseball can’t handle pressure?
Cole said himself that pressure is a privilege. Yankees are having a historic season and Cole is one of the reasons to their success. If he crumbles under pressure again if they make the playoffs then I guess you can say he can’t handle pressur
I don’t completely disagree. ERA tells nothing about the variance, a pitcher can pitch stellar and get blown up twice and have a higher ERA eventhough those bad starts were lest than 10% of his outings, Nestor has a great ERA but no one is starting him over Cole come PO time.
Disagree with what? I clearly said ERA isn’t everything. My point was he’s so dismissive on Montas… who compares in some ways to whom he considers the best pitcher in baseball.
No, I’m not saying Montas is better than Cole
They are starting Cole because he’s considered the ace , makes a ton of money and has the ability to dominate.
Nestor has been more consistent.
Double negative lost in translation, don’t disagree
Come on the best pitcher in baseball is still Jacob DeGrom, a little fan bias here? Verlander even at his old age is better than Cole as well. There’s a reason Houston let Cole walk but has kept Verlander.
ERA over 5 away from the Coliseum.
@Yank2- I don’t see Montas being a Sonny Gray 2.0. Montas has pitched very well at Yankee stadium. He definitely has a better arm, throws harder, and keeps the ball on the ground. No reason why he can’t be a #2 in the rotation behind Gerrit Cole.
YARD!!!
Crickets.
Jays are better off upgrading their pen instead of overpaying for a somewhat injured Montas
What would you all offer for Perez and Moore of the Rangers?
For the Yankees, I think Carlos Rodon would be cheaper and better than Montas. I think the Giants would trade Rodon straight up for Jasson Dominguez. That would be a steal for a three-month rental. They could probably get the Giants to throw in Curt Casali for depth.
Why for the Yankees? They may lose Judge after this season. They are one of five teams with a real chance. Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, Mets and Braves. Rodon is the best available pitcher. Montas and Mahle are helpful in both 2022 and 2023, but that raises the cost.
The Rangers should package Perez and Moore for something valuable.
Can Cashman trade himself out of New York?..please?
Come on Cashman make a big move. Don’t blow it again.
Don’t see why anyone would give up that much for a guy who’s era is almost double of what it is one the road compared to in oakland