Giants infielder Thairo Estrada is likely going to be placed on the seven-day concussion injured list after he was hit in the head by a Mark Leiter Jr. pitch in last night’s game. Estrada was able to leave the field under his own power, after initially spending time on the ground being evaluated by team medical staff. Estrada has hit .262/.316/.406 over 342 plate appearances this season, a step behind his solid numbers from 2021 but still good for an above-average 106 wRC+.
Between this respectable bat and his defensive versatility, Estrada has been a valuable member of San Francisco’s roster, but his likely absence will leave the Giants quite thin at shortstop. With Brandon Crawford on the 10-day IL and yet to begin a rehab assignment, Jason Vosler is the only player on the active roster with any time at shortstop this season. It seems likely that one of Isan Diaz or Donovan Walton will need to be called up from Triple-A to fill that void, unless the Giants make another move in advance of the trade deadline. Since the Giants could be sellers at the deadline, Estrada’s injury probably ensures that he’ll remain in San Francisco beyond August 2, though his team control through the 2026 season already made him one of the Giants players less likely to be moved.
More from around the NL West…
- Rockies GM Bill Schmidt told reporters (including Patrick Saunders of The Denver Post) that the club hasn’t received any trade asks about Charlie Blackmon, though it doesn’t seem like Blackmon would waive his 10-and-5 rights to allow a deal anyway. Blackmon has spent his entire professional career in the Colorado organization, and “I think it would be much more fulfilling for me to be successful with the Rockies than it would be to do it somewhere else, after what I’ve been through and the commitment from both sides.” Blackmon already said last October that he was planning to exercise his 2023 player option (worth at least $10MM), and intimated to Saunders and other reporters that his perspective hadn’t changed.
- Before the Diamondbacks traded David Peralta to the Rays yesterday, The Athletic’s Fabian Ardaya reports that the Dodgers had interest in Peralta’s services. With Cody Bellinger and Max Muncy struggling all season long, the Dodgers could use some more help from the left side of the plate, and the team has the flexibility to explore options ranging from platoon options to superstars like Juan Soto. As for Peralta, it could be that the D’Backs preferred the Rays’ offer to whatever the Dodgers were willing to give up, or perhaps Arizona wanted more in exchange for moving Peralta to a division rival.
- Speaking of big left-handed bats, “the Dodgers have tried to engage the Angels” about a possible Shohei Ohtani trade, MLB Network’s Jon Morosi tweets. The Angels are reportedly at least listening to other teams’ offers for Ohtani, even if Anaheim’s asking price is said to be huge, and a trade seems quite unlikely. Morosi’s specific phrasing implies that the Angels weren’t willing to truly “engage” with the Dodgers in talks, which perhaps isn’t surprising — as Morosi notes, “many in the industry are skeptical that Ohtani would be dealt to the Angels’ geographic rival.”
Angels should consider trading Ohtani for a boat load of prospects. they could rebuild a team needing young blood fast to build around Trout. Instead it will be the same old Angels signing old players and doing nothing next year.
Agreed, I wouldn’t trade him across town though-dont want to hear his exploits daily in the same market- I deal him to the best package that is not in SoCal
Jung Like My Daddy
Nah ransack the dodgers farm. Ask a super high price. Only way to build around trout is ask for as many pieces as possible. Including pitching
They can try to ransack the Dodger’s farm, but the Dodgers are going to say no to what the Angels would, and should, be asking for. The result; no trade goes down, at least between those two.
Agreed. And as a Dodgers fan, I’d be completely on board with this deal….
Trout’s cooked bro. He can claim all he wants hes ok but the drs say differently. He makes like 40 million a year until the next decade and plays 80 games a year. The Angels are a pathetic organization and its because Arte Moreno is a clueless owner. The fans continue to show up so theres never going to be wholesale changes
…he’s a 4 WAR player in 80 games
Yep it is
Blackmon won’t be fulfilled staying in Colorado and winning. I admire him for staying but he is naive to think he will ever win there.
They can’t afford 3 players making upwards of 50% of the salary to begin with, and especially not if 2 are always hurt. There is no getting around that
Arte has resisted balancing out the roster too long as it is, but you know the 4 GMs and 5 managers and countless personal of the last 10 years have all been telling him the same thing. Maybe it is finally sinking in since he is at least listening
That’s the obvious reason they’re even considering it.
I wouldn’t expect the Angels and Dodgers to agree to a trade anytime soon after the Ross Stripling for Luis Regifo trade fiasco.
Not the Dodgers fault Arte wasn’t patient and couldn’t wait a few days.
Angels would never make a trade with the Dodgers again
the parking lot-less dodgers changed trade package. beside, what a dumb team wanted to trade for rengifo!
An Angels fan making fun of the Dodgers lol. For our parking lot no less lmao. Enjoy watching other teams in the post season again buddy.
They also missed Top ten Dodgers prospect Andy Pages
The Angels would never deal Ohtani to the Dodgers, they have a better chance of getting Soto rather then Ohtani if they want to get a mega star.
As for the Rockies teams know Blackmon won’t waive his no trade clause and know he will pick up the player option he has so it’s not a surprise no one is calling them for him.
Okay here me out on this I think the mariners can still make a move and get Soto, how you ask? We’ll there farm took a hit with the acquisition on Castillo so if they package Julio and maybe Hancock and Kirby there’s no way the nats say no might be even able to get him for a little less win win for both teams
Yeah I think if you talking about JRod you gonna have any teams attention. If I’m the Nationals I would do it in a heartbeat .
Why would you trade Julio and some for Soto? Im not sure Julio isnt better than Soto right now. Not to mention the 7 years of control. Soto wants 450 million from a contender
As a Nats fan I love that idea, but I don’t know why the Mariners would trade Julio for Soto. If anything it would require the Nats to toss in Garcia or Cavali to get Julio.
Nats say yes, Mariners will never offer Julio.
In this instalment of fans say the dumbest things, we have a Julio Rodriguez trade proposal….
Ohtani to the Dodgers? The best team would become unstoppable.
That’s so boring. The Dodgers should win the WS every year. Top heavy teams suck.
Dodgers have been the best team many of the past seven or eight years… They have only closed the deal once…
That trade will never happen I see Ohtani Traded to the Mets Yankees or Padres never to the Dodgers arte won’t Approve a dodger trade
The Curse of Jim Edmonds
True Homer, Arte would rather miss the playoffs every year than help the Dodgers win 1 game. It’s sad for angel fans but Arte cares more about headlines and not wins. That’s why he signs big names like Pujols and Rendon.
Comical how the media is “at it again.” Daily draining their ink wells portraying every team gushing over SuperStar Soto but never mentioning his .243 ba
Batting average? Soto walks like 20% of the time, which is an absurd rate, so you’re not accounting for a massive amount of his value.
He has a .404 OBP and .479 SLG. His WRC+ is 148, tied for 11th in MLB with Machado. He’s had terrible batted ball luck this year and is still in the top dozen offensive producers in the entire league. No way to spin it so that he’s somehow not elite, he’s a top talent.
Why in the world would someone harp over BA in 2022?
It’s about time baseball people start making fun of these goofs right to their faces in public who think batting average is important.
Do you realize the difference between Soto hitting .243 and .275 is less than 10 hits? That’s over a span of 99 games. One hit less every 9.9 games. You’re going to ignore the low SO rate, a ridiculous .404 OBP, an .883 OPS and, a 155 OPS+, over a lack of less than 10 hits? Rookie.
Cap & Crunch
Why attack batting average?
Why not just say he provides nothing extra outside of the batters box ? He’s not a 400 mill player, and he’s certainly not a guy worth 400 mill + mega prospects going outbound
I do agree the media has painted him rather dearly which stems from him being an analytic darling and those are the guys running baseball now. But your going to lose your bigger point referencing Bavg
Ohtani to Rays because already have McCay who can Hit and Pitch. JROD isn’t Benning Traded,
The “geographical rival” thing always sounds like total phony baloney excuse as an impediment to a trade, especially in this case, where the teams are in different leagues.
Except Arte acts like they are divisional rivals, so yeah, it’s relevant
Moreno acts like Moreno, and the results speak for themselves. Relevant maybe, but baloney nonetheless. If getting a truckload of top Dodger prospects for Ohtani isn’t motivation enough, then maybe he should be in another business. I imagine many Angel fans feel pretty much the same way.
there are other teams who can provide a boatload of prospects. and how many world series championship do dodgers have in current millinium? 1! the angels have 1 too!
What does rings have to do with anything in trading for Ohtani? Dodgers have had far better chances at winning rings then the angels have since for nearly a decade now. And will continue to have great chances at a ring this year, next year and several years after. Much better chances then the angels. Only the dumbest of fans judge success in baseball on who ultimately wins a ring given baseball postseason is a complete crapshoot.
Cmon man. Imagine the LA Times headlines:
Ohtani wins WS MVP honors for the Dodgers as Trout sits at home for the 8th straight postseason. That drum would beat constantly in some manner the entire offseason
You can think it’s ridiculous to think the media will affect baseball decisions. You can think it’s bad business. Both are true to me too. But pretending it’s not a factor for the Angels and Dodgers is foolhardy. And let’s be real, it’s from the Angels side, the Dodgers see them as 1 of the 15 AL clubs. I have lived in OC for more than a decade now. Angel fans hate the Dodgers like the Padre fans hate the Dodgers. a very large portion… just do. They can’t complain about spending. They know they have the single best player. And they know they are still the inferiorly run team
Maybe this would happen in the short term, but with the right trade, the Angels could get real prospects. Add Syndergaard and Iglesias ot it, and the Angels could get some proven major league talent along with the prospects.
Would most Angels fans rather have a team on the rise, or one with Ohtani for just one more season, a year in which they will likely miss the playoffs once again? It makes no sense, and Angels fans can still see Ohtani if they wish if they go only 30 miles north. Once he’s a free agent, they are probably going to have to do it anyway.
I grew up both a Dodger and Angel fan, and I was just as happy in 2002 as in 1988, maybe even a little happier because it was the Angels first ring. I will always admire Tim Salmon for mentioning Gene Autry after the Angels finally won a World Series. Still, it has been the only one for 20 years now,and it could remain the only one for at least the next 10 years or more, for however long Moreno runs things.
There have been Angel billboards in the City of Los Angeles for years. If they do move to Long Beach, Moreno will need even more of Los Angeles to support his team. If they do move to Long Beach, he’s going to find out the hard way what happens when you act like a second-tier team in Los Angeles. He could save time and just pick up the phone and ask the Chargers or Clippers, both of which, for all of their talk, have done nothing in the way of championships since they moved to L.A, how it is going for each of them. In fact, neither team has done anything in the way of having many consecutive winning seasons, let alone championships. The Dodgers, Rams, Lakers, Kings, Galaxy, and Sparks have all won, LAFC looks good for this season. Laugh, but the winning teams, in whatever sport, are the ones who get the attention, the TV deals, and the money from tickets, concessions, and merchandise.
I am now on Year 4 of not spending any money on the Angels. I figured as long as Moreno won’t invest in quality pitchers or a decent farm systerm, why should I invest any of my money into his organization. If Moreno fails this time, and again next year, I have a strong feeling that more people will decide to do what I have done.
Ask yourself already, how exactly has Moreno improved the Angels?
At this point, it should only matter which team pays the highest price for Ohtani. The Angels need help everywhere. Pitching, infield, outfield, all of it. It’s in the team’s best interest going forward to deal Ohtani since they can’t afford a competitive team with him at $5 mil. This should have been considered for months now. Completely unprepared with zero foresight.
Syndergaard’s contract indicates they were actually plotting out their plan months ago
They signed Thor to a 21 million one year deal with no 2023 option
Ohtani will get a raise of 20 million of more in 2023, his final year of arbitration control
They had, and likely still have now, every intention of keeping him for 2023, while paying for his salary by removing from the rotation
lmao! angel will most likely trade ohtani in upcoming offseason.
Despite the appearance that the Angels planned to retain Ohtani, they may have felt more optimistic about an extension, when they signed Thor. It’s also possible they just changed their minds after seeing the names being mentioned in the Soto trade talks,
The Nats have to lower their price before they can trade Soto. The Nats will wait until the offseason to trade Soto.
Agreed. They’re looking for an insane overpay by Tuesday. Don’t see them getting it. They’ll still hijack someone this winter, but not to the extent they would now.
Maybe Soto isn’t traded until the offseason, but I don’t understand your logic why. If it’s going to take being hijacked either way, if just one team thinks their best chance to land Soto is now, why wouldn’t they pull the trigger, if it’s going to take a haul either way?
Remember when Joc Pederson was traded to the Angels
I’d go for Joc Pederson and would have gone for Peralta over Soto or even Ohtani. Those guys are going to cost way too much to acquire.
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Arte wont send Ohtani to the Dodgers even if they have the best offer by a mile.
The Angels fans and owner see the Dodgers as a rival but the Dodger fans and FO don’t feel the same way. It’s like a little/big brother relationship. Most angel fans I know despise the Dodgers more than all divisional rivals combined, while most Dodger fans despise the Giants more than all their rivals combined.
Friedman is better off waiting until Ohtani hits free agency and not wasting his time. He’s a professional and doing his due diligence but Arte is probably only willing to use him to drive up Shohei’s asking price. I think Arte pulled the plug on the stripling/joc trade because he didn’t want to help LA land Mookie even though it benefited Anaheim to get mookie out of Boston more than keep him from LA.
Arte doesn’t care about winning most, he cares more about perception to the LA area.
Cap & Crunch
*Orange County area
I’d hate to trade him to the dodgers. It would be annoying hearing about it all the time. But if you were to, it would have to really hurt the dodgers to acquire him. I’m talking Will Smith, Miller, May, Cartaya, Rodriguez, etc
Cap & Crunch
Haha, good stuff
Will Smith? Probably the best catcher in the league and if not now he will be in years. You’ve lost your mind and shown you have zero baseball IQ. A contender trading their staring catcher who should have been an all star? Check yourself buddy
Explain. By definition? Because you sons guy immediately it’s an overpay?
What about a 1$ one day contract for a guy retiring? Is that an overpay?
Mark Leiter Jr should be immediately suspended for hitting Thairo Estrada with a pitched ball and causing injury. Leiter Jr should remain suspended for a period of time (at least) equal to the length of time that Estrada is unavailable to compete at the MLB level. It is long past the time that both pitchers who hit batters and their teams not be penalized as a result of the player injury and subsequent loss of that player’s availability. With the magnitude of financial importance to a team of each player, the antiquated adage of a batter being hit by a pitched ball and suffering a lost time injury as being “just part of the game” just does not cut it any longer.
The Dodgers could really help the Angels at several positions but Moreno is too stupid and stubborn to realize that it is in his and the Angels best interests to trade Ohtani to the Dodgers. Moreno got a black eye with the stadium debacle and the Dodgers had nothing to do with this. However, keeping Ohtani in the L.A. area, while also helping the Angels, is the best thing he can do for his public image. Will he realize this? Probably not, and this is why it is best if he sells the team as soon as possible. He has only hurt the Angels with his bloated signings and his inability to get out of the way of his own GM and front office. The farm is now rated #27. The team desperately needs help. The Dodgers have the prospects. If he traded Ohtani, Syndergaard, and the closer to his alleged, but imaginary, “rival,’ he could also get immediate help at the major league level. It would be a win-win situation, but while Moreno may be a smart businessman in other areas, baseball is simply not his arena. A truly wise man would get all he could from the Dodgers. The Angels fans would thank him for the next several years, perhaps longer.
The Curse of Jim Edmonds
Yep, Arte is only good for handing fat checks to big names. If you need to bribe a politician, he’s your man.
He’s pig-headed for sure. He’s got two of the greatest players of this generation playing for him at the same time and can’t build a competitive team around them. That takes real commitment to something, but it isn’t baseball. I’m really hoping the Dodgers don’t empty the farm for Ohtani, but the very fact that Moreno doesn’t seem to be receptive to such an offer tells us a lot about his mindset.
Ohtani needs to be traded ASAP- his trade value goes down significantly with both the end of the trade deadline and the beginning of next season. He’s already a 1 year plus change rental and good chance Anaheim is over-valuing him in trade talks. There’s zero chance he re-signs so the only possible reason to keep him is the marketing aspect/attendance. Anyone over 26 should be traded if possible because Anaheim is 4 years from contention at the minimum, and anyone over that age can’t be counted on to contribute in 2026 (or later).
As a Cubs and Dodgers fan, I think Dodgers will NOT deal for Ohtani (Angeles would not do it anyway) or Soto. With the offensive decline of Muncy, Turner and Bellinger, Dodgers need to hold onto Lux, Vargas, and Busch. I just don’t think that Cartaya, May, Miller, Pepiot, Grove and Pages will get it done. If it will, then pull the trigger. As a backup, what if Dodgers offered Cartaya, Pages and Grove for Robertson and Happ?
With the decline of Muncy and Bellinger the Dodgers will get a left-handed bat. Doubt it’s Ohtani or Soto as there are too many bidders willing to overpay, and that’s not Friedman’s style.
Any team that signs a player or successfully trades for one overpays, by definition.
Cartaya and Pages and Grove for them two? Lmao that’s comical… smh
Where’s my original comment?!