The Tigers have informed rival teams they’re willing to consider trade offers on breakout starter Tarik Skubal, report Ken Rosenthal and Cody Stavenhagen of the Athletic. The 25-year-old southpaw marks a fascinating new entrant into the summer trade market with the deadline exactly one week away.
Detroit being willing to listen to offers on Skubal certainly doesn’t mean he’s destined to change teams. Rather, it seems the Tigers are generally taking a wide-open approach to the deadline as they weather another non-competitive season. One rival executive tells the Athletic the Detroit front office has signaled “that just about everyone is available.” It seems likely general manager Al Avila and his front office are fielding offers on virtually the entire roster more as a matter of due diligence than in an effort to earnestly ship out possible long-term core pieces like Skubal.
Even if a trade coming together over the next week remains a longshot, it’s noteworthy the Detroit front office seemingly won’t dismiss offers on Skubal out of hand. There’s certainly no urgency for the Tigers to deal him. Skubal remains controllable through the end of the 2026 season, and he won’t even qualify for arbitration until the end of next year. Avila and his staff would have to be overwhelmed with an offer to pull the trigger. Even with all hopes of competing this season dashed, the Tigers anticipate getting back into the playoff mix during Skubal’s window of club control — perhaps as soon as next year.
The Tigers have been rebuilding for essentially the entirety of Avila’s tenure atop the front office. Their last playoff berth came in 2014, and they’re on their way to a sixth straight losing record. They expected to be more competitive this season, but they’ve been hit with a laundry list of absences on the pitching side and a virtually unanimous underperformance from the lineup.
Skubal has been one of the lone bright spots, as he’s looked like a possible top-of-the-rotation starter at his best. The Seattle University product has posted a 3.88 ERA across 106 2/3 innings. He’s punched out an above-average 25.5% of opponents, limited walks to a stingy 6.2% clip and induced grounders on a solid 47.8% of batted balls. Skubal has averaged north of 94 MPH on his fastball and induced swinging strikes on 12% of his offerings, the 14th-best rate among 52 starters with 100+ innings. Those numbers alone are strong, but the 6’3″ hurler looked like a bona fide ace through the season’s first two months. He carried a 2.44 ERA with a 27.1% strikeout percentage through the end of May before scuffling in June.
Even if Skubal is more of a mid-rotation type than the #1-caliber arm he resembled earlier in the year, he’s still a plenty valuable player. The Tigers have envisioned coming out of their rebuild with a star-studded rotation anchored around Skubal, former top ten picks Casey Mize and Matt Manning, free agent signee Eduardo Rodríguez,and Spencer Turnbull. Each of Mize and Manning has had their 2022 season more or less wiped out by injury to this point, and the former underwent Tommy John surgery and is likely to miss most of next year as a result. Rodríguez has been out for a while attending to a personal matter. Turnbull was always expected to be out for the bulk of the year after undergoing his own TJS last summer. That’s left Skubal as the sole healthy, reliable member of the rotation for much of the year, and the Tigers could build around him for 2023 and beyond.
At the same time, there’s little harm for the front office in at least evaluating all options. Skubal’s control window and affordability means virtually every team could eye him as a possible trade target. Clubs don’t have to be in the mix for the playoffs this year to look into his availability, since he’d still be controllable for an additional four seasons.
Teams like the Orioles and Rangers, for instance, are unlikely to reach the postseason this year (although Baltimore has hung around the Wild Card race), but have been mentioned as teams that could simultaneously look to move players on shorter-term deals while trying to acquire pitchers controllable beyond this season. In a separate piece, Rosenthal wrote this morning that Texas is continuing to seek a controllable starter before the deadline. Skubal fits the bill, and while there’s been no indication Texas has yet contacted the Detroit front office about the young hurler, it wouldn’t be a surprise if that were the case.
While the Tigers may be open to offers on Skubal and other players with extended control windows, Avila and his staff figure to be much more motivated to part with some shorter-term veterans. As MLBTR’s Steve Adams explored this month, relievers like Andrew Chafin, Joe Jiménez, Michael Fulmer and Gregory Soto should draw plenty of calls from contenders. Robbie Grossman and Tucker Barnhart are impending free agents and would surely be available, although neither veteran is having a good season. That’s also true of third baseman Jeimer Candelario, who is controllable through next year via arbitration.
Now THIS is a GUY. 2.89 FIP belies his ERA. I’d love to see the Astros grab him!
There’s nothing terribly wrong with a 3.88 ERA, and his expected ERA is 3.26. The Tigers aren’t a great-fielding team.
Those are extremely solid numbers, and would make many rotations a lot better with that production, so I obviously agree.
Astros do not have the farm system to get this young stud LHSP unless they trade from the major league roster.
I get he’s a league average pitcher and there will be interest but when do you draw the line on constant trades as a franchise and stand pat? The future has to become the present at some point.
This doesn’t mean that he is likely to b traded. And regardless of what any team says, every player in the league is tradeable if the right offer is made.
2022 is a “lost year” for the Tigers .
They were decimated by injuries to their starting pitching and their veteran positon players all stopped hitting early in the season.
Tigers had a very good draft in ’22.
They may be drafting “Top 5” in ’23
A few strategic trades, continued good drafting, a healthy roster, some smart free agent signings and their window of contention will open in ’23 or ’24.
Exactly. They have been drafting well for a few years now.
They have NOT been drafting well.
They are getting high marks for their recent drafts.
However, I would have taken one of the shortstops on the board
like Lawler or Marcelo Mayer with their great need they have for position players instead of another pitcher.
Pffft. Matt Boyd, the sequel. Directed by Al Avila.
Boyd never kept it up for a full season. Not a good comparison unless Skubal shanks the rest of the season. Skubal looks like the pitcher they always hoped Boyd would become.
I was referencing his chances of being traded.
I was referring to his chances of being traded. We’ll probably get the same return as we got for Boyd.
Skubal is younger and a better pitcher in only his 2nd year in the big leaguies,
His April and May were All Star months with his ERA in the 2.00’s
Boyd at his best was in the mid 3.0’s to 4.00’s ERA S…
I would agree any other year with the Boyd take but Avila knows his seat is as hot as it gets and he needs to do something huge to save his job. Trading a possible #1 starter would do that if the return was worth it. But it is AA, and he not won a single trade he made! This could get ugly in a hurry!
Avila has won numerous trades including Justin Wilson and Avila Jr to Cubs
for Paredes and Candelario; Upton(declining with big contract) to Angels for pitching, Shane Greene to Braves for LHS Joey Wentz and more.
Some trades he was not won like JD Martinez to DBacks, Verlander to Astros
(some of those players could still make it like C Jake Rogers and CF Daz Cameron). Some he wins and some he loses like many GMs and some benefit both teams and a “win/win” for both sides (optimal outcome)…
What an odd thing to do by a team that acted like they were going to contend. It’s not like he is an impending free agent.
It does seem counterintuitive to deal away a 25-year-old under long-term cheap control if your idea is to rebuild. That’s pretty much the sort of player you’d want to rebuild with.
Only thing I can think of is the Tigers have a lot of pitching prospects but not many outfielders coming up. Riley Greene is already here.
Perhaps they are willing to trade a quality pitcher for a quality outfielder.
Jason Dominguez is all yours baby would gladly take the shot
I would be thinking more along the lines of a Soto Trade with Washington. Tigers have the young players to trade.
That’s a good point. I guess the answer will be in what they receive if there is a trade.
For the last few years the Tigers have had Mize and Manning and really no OF help while the Angels had Adell and Marsh and no pitching prospects.
I thought a trade between the two would be great, but not likely to happen.
No. It is a great idea to trade a future ace if your team can land 4-5 top young players and prospects with huge upside…
It would jumpstart the Tigers rebuild.
Package him with LH All Star closer Greg Soto and
the Tigers would get a huge package of guys in return
when added with their multiple top 5 and top 10 drafts, the Tigers
could seriously contend in ’23 or ’24.
What r u smoking bud
Can we ship Avila along with him. I know it would drastically reduce the compensation but would be worth it.
” . . . and a virtually unanimous underperformance from the lineup.”
Normally, that sort of thing is laid at the managers door.
Stupid idea in my opinion.
Al Avila is a stupid GM. He’ll trade him for a bucket of gum.
Orioles are looking for great young pitching and have a loaded farm system
with young, highly rated position players who can hit and defend.
Sounds like a great match for a trading partner.
Orioles could grab a Wild Card this year with Skubal at the top of their rotation.
I would love it if they could make a trade between each team. The Orioles could send Diaz and a pitching prospect
It would probably take more than that!
If you’re talking Yusniel Diaz (looks like a bust), that pitching prospect would need to have the last name Hall or Rodriguez.
How about Juan Soto for Skubal straight up…seems like a fair trade if you take the Frank Robinson for Milt Pappas in 1965 into comparison
Tigers are looking for multiple young players and top prospects. Not seeing J Soto as a fit there.,
I would do that in a second…pretty sure thats a no from washington though.
Soto for Skubal, Dinger, Kreider, and a low level player.
Soto will be at $50mm over the next two years, while Skubal will cost about $2MM, plus have two more years of control. I think you have the wrong team throwing in extra players.
Your right The nationals would have to add to make this a fair trade.. Detroit would have to take on Patrick Corbin’s Terrible contract to make this even close…. Im a brewers fan so not a nationals homer… but this is Soto your referring to a top 5 player in the game…. Skubal has a high ceiling Soto is proven.. any givin year he could be the best player in the league… I hope he does get traded I just want to see the return it should be epic…
I’ve looked at Soto’s numbers THIS YEAR and he sure doesn’t look like a top 5 player. I question any player being top 5 when they are a negative on defense and clog the bases, but I guess he could become a top 5. Consistency is what makes a player top 5. Skubal COULD BE a perennial Cy Young winner, but since he hasn’t been in that discussion, that would be premature. But if you want to play that game, there are some Joey Gallo fans that could give you pointers.
What? Did I just walk into a crazy fest? Soto is a generational talent. None of those players except Dingler is worth including.
Look at his stats for April and May this year.
He was unhittable for long stretches,
Soto has 2 more years after this year before he becomes a Free Agent. Tigers have the young players to make this trade work.
In the (slightly altered) words of Trump ” This may be the worst trade deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever”
I wouldn’t trade Skubal at all if I were DET, but even though Skubal is more controllable, he’s also a SP compared to am everyday player. I don’t this deal happens, but that is probably what it would take. Case in point why DET likely isnt getting Soto.
Not even close to what it would take. You’re better than this DarkSide.
See, I felt the same way, but I was also predicting the comments above your’s, and my point remains that even if WSH doesn’t take this package, it’s probably ill-advised for DET to go higher. The Braves show us that just having a glut of Minors pitching talent doesn’t gurantee a glut of future aces. Skubal is a bird in the hand. Realistically the package doesn’t center around Skubal anyways, but if DET is crazy enough to consider moving him, I think all bets are off.
I get the Tigers aren’t having a good season, but moving Skubal for anything less for an overhaul doesn’t seem like the best move. This is a team that was considered a potential contender, and could next season if pitching returns healthy.
Yep man exactly right not sure about them being a contender but nice comment
With the expanded playoffs, being a .500 team makes you a potential contender. The Giants, White Sox, and Orioles are all 3.5 games or less out of a Wild Card spot, yet they’re all 48-48. If the Tigers have a .510 winning percentage in 2023, which would only be 82-83 wins, they’d easily put themselves int contention.
Pitching performance hasn’t been an issue. It could have been an absolute train wreck, but the pitching has kept them competitive. The problem has been anemic hitting during the first half. Historically low runs scored. At one point, just about everyone was hitting around. 200.
That being said, there are some young pitchers that got a lot of major league experience this year. That’s the bright spot. Next year, you have to expect that the starting pitching will be among the best in baseball. And, not because they have a bunch of big names, but because if someone doesn’t perform, there will be MANY options to replace them.
It must be a great haul of young players or prospects or they will keep Skubal,
Great. Now even tigers front office are pretty much admitting this rebuild was a complete failure.
I agree that that’s what this would mean. If I am Mr I, Avila is given the option to go this direction, but if he chooses to do so, I fire his a$$. Why let the same man try again, when I can get someone that has hasn’t screwed the pooch?
I think what you’re seeing is that the kids won’t run the team the way their father did. He went for broke for a chance at a ring before he died, and the team has been broke since.
No, they are not..
The farm is brimming with great, young talent.
More is drafted every year.
They are on the upswing.
7 or 8 starters going down will sink any team.
Tigers fan here . . . while it may take moving a player like this to get a bat or two more, I’m surely not wanting Al Avila to be the brains behind such a move. Please, Illitch, intercede. No trading of controllable assets until a new GM is in place!
Hate to break it to you, but Avila isn’t going anywhere. Tigers should be open to trading about anyone outside of Riley Greene, if the price is right. Skubal being thrown out there just gets the headline, highly doubt he goes anywhere.
This reminds me of Musgrove to the Pads…this kid might be better…wtf are Tigers doing???
This doesn’t mean that he is likely to b traded. And regardless of what any team says, every player in the league is tradeable if the right offer is made.
Selling high, I’m sure. Why not shop him and see what is offered? Can always say no and reel him back, which I’d assume they already did in prior years with Boyd and Fulmer, if any offers were indeed made.
Nothing to do with Boyd or Fulmer.
Lot’s of negative people on this forum.
This is painfully obvious.
When the Pirates traded Musgrove, they were starting a rebuild and he was the second of three big trades that off-season (Bell and Taillon). Tigers are supposed to be at the end of the rebuild.
I agree this seems like the timing is off. Tigers are getting better. Bye Miggy new face needs to rise and carry the team
If the cards bow out of the Soto chase and ohtani is unattainable, this could be a very good get for the cards who have good prospects to try and make a deal.
Yes. I’d like to see a package with Barnhart.
Maybe skubal and Barnhart for knizer, zac Thompson,moises gomez, and Johan oviedo?
I think we have to keep Knizner, and I really like Thompson. I’d start with Gorman and see how it goes from there. The Tigers could really use his bat and 3rd base would be open to him. I’d maybe offer Conner Capel as well.
That’s not nearly enough for Skubal.
Oh I agree. I’m just saying I would start with Gorman. I mention Capel because he’s another guy that would seem to fit with Detroit immediately. Just like with a potential trade with Boston, I would try to find a way to include DeJong. Detroit’s young pitchers would benefit from his glove. Plenty of young position player talent in the system to sweeten the deal for the Tigers.
Go get him, Rangers
We should all strive to one day have the same level of job security as Al Avila
My vote for best post of the day. lol
How long have I been saying it….?
It was always going to be a bad job to try to put this thing back together after Illitch died. It was a fun ride, but he was going all-in to try to win a championship every year before he died. Think the tigers were #1 in payroll some years.
Avila will take garbage for him, as he did for Verlander, JD, et al.
Tigers are lying to fans. The rebuild is over, no it’s not. Fire Avila and sell the tigers to an owner who wants to win. Young Illitch is nothing like father illitch. Sad for us Tigers fans
They said the rebuild was over and they are building now, which they did in the offseason. This season is a trainwreck, but the organization didnt lie to anyone.
Interesting here super interesting Tarik with control issues but has the makings of a top of the line guys young kid i look at teams like the pirates, Rockies, rays, rangers angels, mariners, nats, brewers, cubs, royals twins Red Sox for this
What control issues? He hardly walks anyone.
“The Tigers have been rebuilding for essentially the entirety of Avila’s tenure atop the front office.”
And he still has a job why?
Because we don’t have an owner.
They have been rebuilding for 5 years, Avila has been around for 7. That statement in the article made me cringe.
A lot of the tigers rebuild is first rd pick pitchers. They’re obviously very volatile. Thats why a lot of teams pick position players with high picks. The Orioles have taken 4 straight in the top 5. Imo al avila should be fired today. He’s utterly failed their rebuild.
3 out of their past 4 1st round picks have been hitters
Orioles should make this swap. Plenty of position players in the pipeline.
Tigers haven’t developed any LT position players and certainly could use a few
@jbigz12; agreed. And wouldn’t be shocked if Elias and Avila haven’t already talked and not just about Skubal but Mize and Manning as well. I’m more intrigued with Mize than Skubal. Do with him what they did with Wells. A year in the bullpen to do 2 things. 1. build up arm strength after TJ surgery. 2. Get him comfortable with O’s pitching philosophy/model. Then in 24 he’s a rotation guy. Skubal on the other hand looks like a John Means 2.0. Do we need another JM type?
Rodriquez, Henderson, Cowser, Hall as part of a package would get the Tigers interested.
Not happening. Rodriguez, no. Henderson, no. Yes, Cowser, as part of a package if Detroit is looking for a solid future leadoff hitter. Hall, no.
Lol I’m sure that was a joke.
But In all seriousness—-Stowers + one of Cowser, Westburg, Kjerstad?
Pitching is typically more costly than hitting to acquire.
I think Stowers and Westburg would be good offer for Orioles. I don’t think the Orioles would sell low on Kjerstad. Elias has been very smart with Orioles rebuild. I dont think he will overspend with prospects. Maybe if they were fighting for division, but not just building for future.
If that’s the package you want, you should be ready to throw Gregory Soto, Mize, and your best minor league position player into the deal!
@bootstrap agreed on Kjerstad. Though he ripped up low A pitching this year. I think he’s on the upswing & if another team bought in and wanted him for a guy like Skubal—-I think he COULD go
Skubal is a LT piece. Only reason I think we should throw our hats in. We’re not a contender this year but I think we’re at the point where we can add Longer term pieces.
Depending how long AA thinks he has left he might want an Anthony Santander too. 3 years of control and is a proven ML hitter. It’ll definitely take a package for Skubal but the O’s will have to add pitching at some point.
Wells, G-Rod, hall, Means, Kremer is a potential decent 5 but there’s question marks with almost all of them. Means is coming off surgery. DL hall can’t get past 5 innings. G-Rod also will have his innings limited next season. Kremer has been great but the sample is still small. Elias hasn’t taken much pitching in the draft so it will have to be supplemented elsewhere.
“Stowers + one of Cowser, Westburg, Kjerstad”
For Skubal? Deal! My gut says Avila would balk at this. If Henderson is a no, no deal. But for Mize, IMO, it would be a deal.
Please know, this is based on my belief that Elias is not looking for help this year. I could wrong here of course and I hope I am. I’d love to see the Birds make a run now! Cheers.
I was thinking that’s the start of the package. Plus some lower top 30 prospects as well. Westburg and Stowers are I near ML ready if that’s what Avila wants. Potentially Santander could go in that deal. Not sure how highly Stowers is thought of around the league. His bellinger like swing might give him some troubles in the big leagues with the swing & miss.
@jbigz12: sweet! I like it. Hey, I like the Bellinger comp as well. Speaking of Belinger, I’m a fan. IMHO, the man shows up in playoff time! His struggles; is it just a case of the league figuring out how to pitch to him?
That would never happen.
That is a very weak offer for Skubal.
Tigers don’t need more injured players and lottery tickets.
Skubal would command a much better package than that or he stays a Tiger.
Skubal has pitched better than his numbers show. How many times has the defense allowed ‘infield singles’ that should be errors or Candy dropping an infield fly for a double? Could you imagine him with the Yankees or Dodgers though? He could be a difference maker.
He still has a 2.93 FiP despite a string of bad starts in June. How he has 7 credited wins on a 39-win team is really impressive.
Tigers average 3.76 runs of run support when he’s on the mound. Not much different from Justin Verlander’s 3.98 runs of run support in his starts, and he has 13 W’s.
Well Justin Verlander is also a top 3 pitcher in baseball…..
Well yeah, but it’s kind of wild that Verlander and Skubal recieve almost the same amount of run support per game, but the Astros have scored over 100 more runs than the Tigers this year.
Whats your point? Verlander would not have re-signed with the tigers. Dude is too competitive to wait out a rebuild.
This has nothing to do with Verlander resigning with the Tigers. Just pointing out that both Verlander and Skubal receive around the same amount of run support on average in their starts this year, but one is on a team who is struggling and the other is on a team that is excelling.
I don’t understand this at all. He’s a guy that they should be looking to keep not move. I get it hasn’t worked out how they hoped but it seems way too soon to throw in the towel.
I’m guessing Al wants to move him because he HASN’T gotten injured. His new theory is to have an all opener rotation.
Why would the Tigers even consider trading the only healthy, reliable member of the rotation? No wonder they suck every year.
Dom Smith, Szapucki and a minor leaguer for Chafin and Fulmer.
Pass the bong!
Al Avila trying to make up for his screw ups on Boyd and Fulmer, but they were both fools gold while Skubal is the genuine article. No doubt Avila gets fleeced once again. He is playing checkers while all the other GM’s are playing chess.
This is basically a white flag. Avila needs to go but he won’t because Illitch is clueless. “We’re very pleased…and so on and so forth.” Like the Lions were (and still may be) this organization is broken.
No. It could be a smart baseball move!
Who ever tries to land this guy better be ready to just sign over the deed to their triple-a franchise lol.
Not sure about that
Ha! Al Avila has yet to meet a trade he can’t lose
You bring in more teams if your willing to discus everyone. The Tigers are so bad this year, that next year is in serious doubt as well. So many shocking things happened to the team this year, and the Austin Meadows collapse was totally dismaying. Yes the baseball’s have been jimmied, and the humidor thing too, but man, the tiger hitting has been bad. Miguel the hall of fame 39 yo is still the best hitter they have, that’s just tragic.
They are so hard to watch. We all just hope they do well in next years draft lottery, and get another shot at a top pick.
Detroit will forever be HockeyTown. As much as I like their off-season thus far, the Atlantic division is just so stacked. Ilitch and Yzerman have them well positioned for the future. Combine that with what the Tigers and Lions are doing and Detroit can quickly become the sports capital of America.
Lol pistons redwings lions tigers sure
This is a baseball forum, not talk radio.
The Rangers need to be on the phone to the Tigers ASAP!
Detroit was hockey town under father illitch. They have done nothing under son Illitch. How many years has it been since they made the playoffs? Or won a playoff game?
I’d take Skubal on my team in a heartbeat. Pirates got the prospects if that’s what the Tig’s are looking for.
Tigers are not looking for Prospects, they are looking to improve their offense now & for years to come. Tigers have way to many AAAA ball players already. If they can’t get an offer for a major league hitter, then they will walk away.
I do not get this at all. A 25 yr old SP under control until 2027. He’s also improving, though has had some rough patches this year.
That being said, I don’t follow the Tigers farm, and they do seem like they need position players. As a Angels fan, I would love to see us try to acquire him.
It is a numbers game. If they can get 4-5 top young players and prospects that are in AA, AAA or the majors ,with big upside in return, then it jumpstarts their rebuild
I understand how trades work. And he’s not in the class of J Soto, he’s not returning 4-5 ‘top young players’. And if Tigers are still in a rebuild, or needed to jumpstart it, why the massive contracts to Rodriguez and Baez. And during rebuilds, you keep players young, with upside, and cost controlled long term.
It sounds like you and Avila are in the same page. Good look with that.
This story is about nothing.
Michael Fulmer anyone?
You are on the wrong topic, wrong discussion, wrong player.
Makes sense. You’d want to trade one of your better young pitchers.
#FireAvila. Just an absolute embarrassment and mismanagement
I’m calling this bluff. Is this GM Brad Pitt attempt to try an pry Ricardo Rincon?
I want to see some big relievers move teams tho.
Bednar
Barlow
Emmanuel Clase (Likely a haul!!!)
Iglesias
Gore and Merrill for Skoobs
More like Compensano, Hassell III, Abrams, Gore etc for Skubal .
Expand it with Closer G Soto and it would take even more players and prospects.
Lol *click*
On BTV that was pretty much bang on
Al Avila.
Find one Tiger fan who trusts him to win a trade and I’ll show you a person in dire need of a conservancy.
Bats are desperately needed in Detroit. Any position. Perhaps Al can enlist the Rays to secretly conduct trading Skubal for bats in a mercy basis. That’s the only chance it works..
I previously posted deals with LHSP Tarik Skubal and L:H 2 Time All Star Closer Greg Soto
going to the:
Dodgers or Orioles, or Yankees, or Rangers or Padres, or Rays, or Blue Jays etc…
I ‘d say Phillies, but they want to hold onto their top prospects.
Skubal could have easily made the All Star team this year. He dominated last year and this year. He had a few starts where it looks like his mechanics were a little off.
Skubal and Soto are both team controllable for multiple years with low salaries.
Soto is a 2 time All Star LH closer with a relatively low salary and multiple years of team control.
These two players would check the boxes for a lot of teams.
Whichever teams do not get Soto could jump on this potential deal.
It would take a huge package of top prospects and/or young major leaguers to
pull off this deal. Teams would have to “blow the Tigers away” to get these two players.
Teams looking to get into the playoffs or playoff bound teams looking to get to the World Series would seriously look at this kind of deal.
@SportsFans0000; yes. O’s are looking for younger SP talent and Detroit younger position player talent. Avila and Elias have had to have talks already. I wonder if Mize and Manning are available as well? Could see Elias wanting Mize. Do with him what was done with Wells. First yr in bullpen to build up arm strength after TJ surgery and also to get acquainted with O’s pitching philosophy. Then in 24 he goes to rotation. Plus we would not have to give up Henderson which I imagine would be what it takes to get a Skubal type talent?
Mize is out with Tommy John surgery.
Skubal is a future #1 ace starter controlled for at least 3 years and not in arbitration yet.
This guy could help the Orioles get into the playoffs this year.
@SportsForum; I believe Detroit would want too much in return for Skubal for everything you mentioned … but not Mize. Yep. Mize is recovering from TJ surgery. This does not faze Elias. See my prior post.
Also, Elias is on record for saying he is not making trades or adjusting his rebuild plan to make a run at the playoffs this year.
Gunnar is a top 5 prospect in baseball. He’s not going to be given up for Skubal.
I don’t see anything higher than Cowser headlining for him. Which Cowser is a top 50-100 guy based on the publication. Cowser and Westburg would give the Tigers 2 regulars that are ready for 2023.
If that wasn’t a good enough package that I’m sure the O’s go elsewhere. Elias loves to develop and they’ve done a bang up job so far. Plenty of flexibility in the payroll to add that way also.
@sportsfan Your basically recapping the article with information everyone already knows. How about have your own opinion. You did the same thing with a post of mine earlier. When posters do this recapping as if they came up with info, it just screams ‘I want to write for MLBTR’.
I post my own ideas and my own opinions on baseball issues.
I have been discussing a Tarik Skubal trade for weeks before it appeared
on this MLBTR forum.
No one is recapping your posts.
OR MLBTR posts.
I don’t read hundreds of posts, no time for that.
If we agree and have, inadvertently, come to similar conclusions on some baseball issues then that means we are in agreement on those issues…nothing more or less (MLBTR, you and me).
MLBTR does a great job on their own.
Sorry, I don’t have time to write for them.
But, I appreciate your compliment!
To the Dodgers LHSP Tarik Skubal and All Star LH Closer Gregory Soto
Dodgers need another starter what with injuries etc.
Dodgers need bullpen help and have talked about both needs.
To the Tigers: Catcher Diego Cartaya, OF Andy Pages, INF Michael Busch,
RHSP Bobby Miller, RHSP Ryan Pepiot, INF Gavin Lux etc…
OR INF Miguel Vargas
It would work for both teams.
Dodgers beef up their pitching for another World Series run.
Tigers get position player hitters close to the majors and more pitching to offset the trade and injuries etc..
I’d like the Jays to trade for Joe Jimenez and Greg Soto for high velo pen help. Not sure what the price would be but I would think Danny Janssen, Jordan Groshans and another mid tier pitching prospect would be a good place to start
The Jays can’t or won’t go with Kirk and Moreno as catching duo. Danny won’t be traded
Well they can’t win with the current bullpen so something has to give.
The Tigers and Rockies both lineup as good trade matches in terms both having bullpen velocity with a clear need at catcher.
Moreno would love to play with Miggy in Detroit both Venezuelans(?!).
Starting point would be with: Moreno, Martinez, Groshans, Tiedemann
for a 2X All Star LH Closer and a future stud #1 Starter with All Star potential.
I think your assessment of Jimenez is a bit rich. Moreno isn’t going anywhere unless it’s for Castillo or JUAN Soto,
Groshans and Tiedemann for Soto might be close
Mize is out with Tommy John surgery.
Skubal is a future #1 ace starter controlled for at least 3 years and not in arbitration yet.
This guy could help the Orioles get into the playoffs this year.
4 1/2 years control left with Skubal. Free agent 2027.
Jays need a starter and a reliever.
Shouldn’t trade this guy. Makes no sense. He’s good enough you want to hang on to him and use as a building block.
Skubal for Soto?
Looks like the Tigers are giving up on 2023 as well as the 2022 dumpster fire. Speaking of fire, why is Avila even part of this discussion? His free agent signings are a disaster, but they look good compared to his trades!
Skubal and Soto to the yankees for Torres, Dominguez, and Wells…im not saying no.
It will take more than that. throw in Volpe, Peraza, Walicheck, Wesneski etc..
You’re way over-estimating Skubal. I like the guy, but his career ERA, after ~ 300 IPs, is slightly worse than league average (99 OPS+). And he’s gotten hit hard in his last 8 starts. This reminds me of some of the conversations about Fulmer & Boyd. They were also both good, but not great.
Every nonpitcher except for Riley & Tork must go. Avila & batting coach Coolbaugh must go. This rebuild is an abject failure. Avila is a blithering idiot. Gregory Soto is gutless—why isn’t Fulmer the closer?
O.M.G. Tuesdays game was another fail. Riley Greene, was clutch, and Soto ain’t going nowhere. Thank God Al Avila’s team got Riley Wish this version of Candy was around for the first two months. Gosh, the showcasing of players is not going well at all.
Does Skubal throw a screwball?
Skubal relies on 7 pitches. . Fastball: 4 Seam, 2 Seam, Cutter, Sinker.
Offspeed: Split, Change, Fork, Screw. Breaking: Slider, Curve, Knuckle
Fire Al now
Great. All the other GMs should check their couch cushions and take a peek in the recycle bin for parts to offer Avila.
Not happening. Unless Detroit gets an overwhelming offer, then they just hold onto Skubal for their next window on contention in ’23 or ’24.
I don’t understand what they are doing. Couple years ago they were holding on to boyd when they were really tanking and now they want to trade a young pitcher with like 5 years of control. Is the goal to stop and restart the rebuild completely? I would think the goal must be to build a competitive team around tork, greene, mize, skubal in years of circa 2024-2028 so really it doesn’t make sense to trade a guy in skubal who fits that timeline mostly (maybe not the last year).
Trade everyone who is a free agent after this and maybe next year but trading guys with 4 plus years of control means you are exactly in the same situation as you were 2 years ago.
Now you could trade the whole young core that is up for new prospects and start the whole process again, but why do you believe it will be better next time?
I just don’t see the plan here.
Avila F’d them already. Signed E-Rod & Baez to two stupid deals that let them opt out after next season.
They likely won’t because they’re sucking or who knows what’s happening w/ E-rod. But those deals were horrible and didn’t fit the Tigers window. They’re stuck w 200+K a year baez for likely 5 more years. It was a stupid deal at the time and time has done nothing but confirm it. Meadows is a 1 dimensional player who isn’t even providing the power.
Avila should be long gone.
This would make little to no sense at all for the Tigers to do. He’s the only one of a young group of talented pitchers that is actually living up to his potential. Tigers have tons of young, talented players either already in the majors, or not far off. Why then, would you give up a guy like Skubal? Other teams SHOULD be interested, but if the Tigers are really thinking this way, they’re playing this very foolishly.
Tigers system isn’t that strong. Division is weak. They may spend more than anybody when they reach contention but if they don’t develop the guys they have up in the bigs + Tork this team isn’t going anywhere.
Depends on how you view their system. I’d disagree in the sense that their best prospects are basically MLB ready and are ready to go or not too far off. Even Jobe could rush through the minors. As with all prospects, not everyone will pan out, but their staff (all inured pretty much) is young and talented as hell. Now is the time to hold… and we’ll, maybe invest in better options than Baez :-/
I would be done with this front office if I’m a Tigers fan. 25 year old Cy Young candidate with 4+ years of team control? At least pretend you want to be competitive. It would be one thing if he was a FA in a year or two… but trade him now??
The 2022 Tigers are the culmination of a rebuild that began 7 seasons ago. Start all over.
No trades should be made, until Avila and his entire staff are replaced.
What is Greg Soto cost?
I was at the game last night against the Padres, and they tossed a fan who had a “Fire Avila” t-shirt on with a picture of a big clown on it.
I’m starting to agree. Avila has been an absolute failure, and it’s time for him to go.
Wonder what it takes to get him to Seattle?
Skubal has kind of stunk up the joint over his last 9 starts with a 5.55 ERA. So is Avila trying to get clever and sell a guy with a high risk factor, or just panicking and getting caught in a rebuild cross-fire?
The gambler in me says the RS should put something serious on the table. It’s possible that the young Tiger pitchers are suffering from developmental problems. Skubal has a career ERA+ of only 99. He’s only spent 145 IPs in the minors, and nothing above AA. There is a decent chance that he is a whole lot better than he looks right now.