The Tigers announced a number of roster moves this morning. Namely, last night’s starter, Michael Pineda, who left the game after just three innings, has been placed on the 15-day injured list with tricep tightness, per the team. Righty Angel De Jesus has been recalled from Triple-A to claim Pineda’s roster spot. Right-hander Rony Garcia was also reinstated from the injured list, while infielder Zack Short was optioned to Triple-A.
Pineda’s injury is another in a long line of ailments that have beset the Tigers’ pitching staff this season. Pineda himself has made just 10 starts, posting a 5.27 ERA/5.81 FIP in 42 2/3 innings of work.
Garcia can step right into Pineda’s rotation spot in the short term. The 24-year-old has made seven starts this season with eight relief outings summing to 48 1/3 innings with a 4.28 ERA/4.42 FIP. Garcia was a starter for the Tigers throughout June, and it’s likely that he steps back into that role. Tyler Alexander will also step back into the rotation in the short term, per Evan Woodbery of the MLive Media Group (via Twitter).
De Jesus will move into the bullpen, from which he has made two appearances for Detroit this season. The 25-year-old has a 5.40 ERA across 27 outings in Triple-A totaling 28 1/3 innings of work. He takes Short’s roster spot. Short has been called up to the active roster a few times this season, though he has yet to carve out a significant role.
Pineda has got to lose some weight.
Another fantastic signing by big Al
I’m not an Avila fan, but $5.7 mil for a proven veteran starter was a good signing. No longterm commitment and a solid veteran presence for the young arms on the staff. Aside from ERod the pitching has just been bad luck health wise and when healthy has not been bad.
Where I fault Avila is the lineup. Baddoo doesn’t look to be a big league starter. Both Grossman and Schoop have done poorly. An early look at the Meadows trade looks like a loss. Tork looks nowhere near ready. Baez was not a bad signing, it was known he d be streaky at the plate and provide occasional pop with a solid glove at a key position. Baez would be tolerable if the rest of the lineup was producing.
I do have to question the pitching coaches, either they have just had extremely bad luck or they have issues identifying problems in these guys mechanics. Something definitely has to change and the sooner the better.
Can’t wait to watch Garrett Hill and Elvin Rodriguez in the rotation for the rest of the year
Chronic Obesity.
Mike Pelfrey
Jordan Zimmermann
Francisco Liriano
Matt Moore
Jose Urena
Michael Pineda
Genius moves. Who’d I forget?
Mark Lowe, Tyson Ross, Ivan Nova.
Oh yeah- Ivan Nova and Julio Teheran!
How did we never win the pennant?
Surprised we never did with Daz Cameron and Jake Rogers, they only cost us JV!
Really, he traded Verlander & his salary which was a great feat in itself. Verlander was still owed 56M + the remainder of 28M for the 2017 season, Tigers had to pay 16M over 2 years. Then the Astros decided he was so Great in 2019 they went out & gave him a new contract worth 66M over 2 more years of which Verlander pitched a total of 6 innings, that equals out to 11M per inning.
All in all the Astros have paid Verlander 106M (plus 16M from the tigers) for four years.
In those 4 years he pitched 443 total innings=$239,278 Per Inning
In those 4 years he pitched 69 Games=$1,536,232 Per Game
I would say Avila made the right choice
Found Al’s burner ^
Really? He managed to turn Verlander, JD Martinez and Matt Boyd into nothing. Maybe Al should be nicknamed el mago for making trade assets disappear into nothing.
Yeah getting rid of a franchise icon, one of our best pitchers in our history, (up there with Lolich, McClain, Trout, Bridges and Newhouse for me) for literally nothing at this point. And Verlander has still been effective when he has been healthy, what had Al done at all with the money we saved with his trade? Oh Tehran? E-Rod? Baez? Like E-Rod and Baez you can’t be all out on all said and done, but you can see how they’ve been complete flops this year (as are most of his signings) but when you’re trading one of your pillars of your franchise, you’d at least hope to give the fans an effective return that would make the loss of them worth it.
Maybe Cameron figures it out, maybe Rogers stays healthy, maybe Perez reclaims his prospect shine oh, and stays heathy. I highly doubt it, but you can see how horrible as of right now that trade was. Not even getting into the Martinez trade, or the Parades trade, or the K-Rod trade or the Shane Greene trade such. Also balking at trading Fulmer at his peak value and many other players as well.
The ones he’s sort of hit on is the Castellanos for Lange trade, and the Candelario trade.
Overall, he’s the Ken Holland of the tigers, who has continually missed and messed up this rebuild that’s been going on for nearly a decade now, it’s like since 2014-2015 and I’m willing to bet the second he’s gone the tigers will start to do better. He needs to go and Illich needs to see that before the tigers have any hope.
Verlander deal was turned down by the Dodgers and Yankees.
At the end of Verlander’s time in Detroit, he was scuffling on a club that was being torn down for a complete rebuild. His last ERA with Detroit was 3.82 and his WHIP was 1.279.
Apparently, Houston saw some things in Verlander’s delivery that they, correctly, thought could be fixed.
And, it helped that Verlander was traded to a Houston team on the rise with a loaded roster.
Verlander completely turned it around in Houston and revitalized his career that was on a downward trajectory in Detroit.
Now Verlander is on a 2 year $50M contract w Houston so add that to the above total. Guess that’s the going rate for a perennial Cy Young candidate who will be a first ballot Hall of Famer
The Tigers rebuild is in its 5th year. Mike Illitch fired Dave Dombrowski for trying to start the rebuild a few years earlier.
(The White Sox had a 10-12 year rebuild).
Some trades are won and some are lost.(every team has those stories).
Some Draft picks work out and some do not pan out for every team.
The Jury is still out on that, but the Tigers farm system is much improved since the start of the rebuild, according to all the expert talent evaluators throughout MLB.
Green was just released, again. Tigers won that deal.
In good health Joey Wentz will be a quality major league :LHSP.
Wilson and Alex Avila to the Cubs for Paredes and Candelario
Tigers won that deal
Tigers won the Justin Upton deal just getting rid of his salary since his skills were declining rapidly. Upton was released this year from the Angels. and the Mariners and is still owed something like 28M?!
(Tigers received a few lottery ticket pitchers for him from the Angels).
Mike Ilitch blocked efforts to rebuild earlier causing the Tigers assets, players to get older, to go into decline and to lose value. Illitch also signed some of those crazy, overpriced, longer than necessary extensions with many players like Victor Martinez, Miguel Cabrera, Fielder FA etc. that handcuffed the GM from making other moves to improve the team.
The Tigers have had an unbelievable run of bad luck this year with the vast majority of their starting pitching staff going down with injuries.
And their veteran players with track records of success all stopped hitting at the same time except Cabrera and rookie Green?!
A Tigers fan should be unhappy and frustrated that the rebuild is not over and should go on for another few years.
I thought it was bad form to announce the end of the rebuild, when clearly, the team needed a few more good MLB drafts to, seriously, compete for the playoffs, again.
@sprts fan zero
The year before the trade, Verlander was runner up in the AL Cy Young due to two writers leaving him completely off the ballot. There was nothing to be fixed. Tigers had Verlander and Scherer win Cy Youngs and Anabel Sanchez took the ERA title, but it was Houston that taught him to pitch. Downward trajectory, indeed. SMH.
Apparently most everyone passed over all the Money Data I Posted. Not any sports player is/was worth what he has been paid since leaving Detroit. Yes he is doing good now, maybe he will manage to be prosperous all the way through his new 2 year deal. But at the price the Astros got no bargin for the lost 2 years of pay.
“Then the Astros decided he was so Great in 2019 they went out & gave him a new contract worth 66M over 2 more years of which Verlander pitched a total of 6 innings, that equals out to $11,000,000 per inning.” There I put the $ & commas & 0’s in there so maybe people would see the Large Loss, That was per inning of work over a 2 year period!
Glad Avila didn’t have to pay that plus Verlander on the 2018 & 2019 Tiger teams would not have performed as well as he did with the Astros.
That would have been worse than the Cabrera Albatross we are paying off now plus added to that Albatross.
Nobody wanted those players, you over valued them like most fans do with their teams players. You can’t trade players for prospects if other teams refuse to give up their prospects for one dimensional players or just mediocre players. Boyd always started to falter around trade time, Martinez could hit but very much a disadvantage in the field so he had to take the only/best offer he could get.
Sad how many people put so much false blame on Avila for doing what needed to be done years earlier & taking over the mess of a Minor League System he was handed from Dombroski. Dave would have tried to rebuild on the run but Illitch hand cuffed him with overpriced contracts & fired him for not following his orders.
Oh well, it is much easier to see things in hindsight than to try & predict the future.
The Tigers rebuild is in its 5th year. Mike Illitch fired Dave Dombrowski for trying to start the rebuild a few years earlier.
(The White Sox had a 10-12 year rebuild).
Some trades are won and some are lost.(every team has those stories).
Some Draft picks work out and some do not pan out for every team.
The Jury is still out on that, but the Tigers farm system is much improved since the start of the rebuild, according to all the expert talent evaluators throughout MLB.
Green was just released, again. Tigers won that deal.
In good health Joey Wentz will be a quality major league :LHSP.
Wilson and Alex Avila to the Cubs for Paredes and Candelario
Tigers won that deal
Tigers won the Justin Upton deal just getting rid of his salary since his skills were declining rapidly. The pitcher He was released this year from the Angels.
(Tigers received a few lottery ticket pitchers for him from the Angels).
Mike Ilitch blocked efforts to rebuild earlier causing Tigers assets, players to get older, go into decline and lose value. Illitch also signed some of those crazy, overpriced, longer than necessary extensions with many players like Victor Martinez, Miguel Cabrera, Fielder FA etc. that handcuffed the GM from making other moves to improve the team.
The Tigers have had an unbelievable run of bad luck this year with the vast majority of their starting pitching staff going down with injuries.
A Tigers fan should be unhappy and frustrated that the rebuild is not over and should go on for another few years.
I thought it was bad form to announce the end of the rebuild, when clearly, the team needed a few more good draft years to compete again.
Houston did not fix Verlander. He’s an elite competitor and the Tigers were awful. JV’s juices started flowing again when he went to the ‘Stros.
@Dogs,
I get it now. Clearly you are a parody account since no one could really believe the nonsense you are posting.
My bad. I thought you were serious at first. Carry on with the comedy.
Also don’t forget Verlander was also a Cy Young candidate all those years,except for the one he was injured. Plus, Verlander helped bring a Championship, all be it tainted. All in all, I think the Astros would do that trade again.
Add Eduardo Rodriguez to the list
Matt Moore and Julio Teheran looked like they were great finds but once the season started, they didn’t last long.
Mike Fiers was a good pick up but was traded for waiver wire trash by the deadline. Cant have a good pitcher on the team.
The other 5 do not belong on a list with Zimmerman. Zimmerman was a horrible multi yr deal. Moore’s deal was risky but $2.5 for a veteran starter who was once as a highly touted as him was worth the risk. The other 4 are exactly the type of 1 yr deals a rebuilding team such as the Tigers are supposed to be making. Very very few top of rotation SPs are going to sign a 1 yr deal.
Avila is an idiot, making deals that the average fan knows will blow up in his face.
He should rub some pine tar on that tricep, that should help him.
Best post. Badda-bing!
Sad current state of affairs for the Tigers
Starting to be concerned for 2023. Too many holes to fix. Just let the kids play for balance of this year?
Best fix is firing Avila and hiring someone competent to be the new GM
Agreed and I am available…
How about a hard look at our #1 draft picks since 2014….. a centerfield wizard they won’t play , a hurler who hurls,adore shouldered pitcher,a constantly hurt pitcher ,a tommy john pitcher, struggling Riley green, a powerless power hitter and a high schooler struggling at lowA ball. This team is bad because bad drafting AND poor trades!
Its been a bad year, but due to all the injuries, its not yet time to change directions. They need to give this rebuild a chance to play healthy. Most rookies do not excel their first cup of coffee. Both their top prospects, Greene and Torkelson, should be better next year. And did you see the pitching depth?!!! Mize looks legit and will likely be better when he returns. Skubal has shown massive ability. Faedo and Brieske weren’t expect to be in the rotation this year and held their own. Lange, Foley and Vest all became solid members of the bullpen. ERod had his personal issues but was pitching better each outing. And Turnbull should be back next spring as well. Rogers will be back and the clubhouse missed him this year. Meadows should be healthy. There is still potential in this rebuild. Its not the time to change direction.
Stymeede agree but I thought they were going to be light hitting. But they are way too light. Juan Soto wouldnt be enough. Pitching looks real promising and lots of depth.
Another sparkling weekend.
Absolutely no offense, except the Tigers are quite offensive to watch
Randy Smith wasn’t a bad GM. The owner interfered and changed direction of the rebuild 3 times.
I suspect this owner is interfering as well and has changed the directions of the rebuild. He doesn’t want to win as much as he wants to sell the team.
Tigers are toast…can we just end the season now and start looking forward to next year?
The only thing tidy about Pineda are his whities