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NL East Notes: Dombrowski, Phillies, Duquette, Diaz, Mets, Ibanez

By Mark Polishuk | October 28, 2022 at 12:02pm CDT

Dave Dombrowski’s contract as the Phillies’ president of baseball operations runs through the 2024 season, and it contains a special clause that would allow him to leave if offered a job with an expansion team in Nashville.  However, in the wake of the Phils’ run to the NL pennant, there is obvious interest in keeping him in Philadelphia for many years to come, and an extension looks to be in the works.  “There’s not a chance that we’ll let him get away,” managing partner John Middleton told USA Today’s Bob Nightengale.

Before Dombrowski finally agreed to speak with the Phillies in the 2020-21 offseason, Nightengale reports that the team had narrowed it search for a new front office boss down to Twins GM Thad Levine and former Orioles/Red Sox GM Dan Duquette.  Levine was known to be a top candidate at the time of the search, but Duquette wasn’t previously known to be on the Phillies’ radar at all.  Since parting ways with the Orioles after the 2018 season, Duquette was linked to the Pirates’ GM search before Pittsburgh hired Ben Cherington.

More from around the NL East…

  • Edwin Diaz is one of several prominent Mets players slated for free agency, but the Mets “believe they have the best chance to keep” Diaz of anyone in that top-tier group, The New York Post’s Jon Heyman writes.  Re-signing Diaz might well cost the Mets the largest contract ever given to a relief pitcher, but Diaz’s case for such a deal is pretty sound, considering his excellent performance.  Since an increasing number of teams are reluctant to pay top dollar for relievers, this could give the Mets something of an advantage in keeping the All-Star in the fold.
  • Also from Heyman, he reports that Raul Ibanez spoke with the Marlins about their managerial vacancy, though Ibanez took himself out of the hunt “due to family considerations.”  Ibanez has spent the last two seasons working with MLB as a senior VP of on-field operations, and previously worked as a special assistant in the Dodgers organization after retiring from his playing career.  Though he doesn’t have any managing or coaching experience, the widely-respected Ibanez has surfaced as a managerial candidate in the past, though he has consistently declined interviews.  Talking with the Marlins perhaps represents some softening on Ibanez’s stance, though since he lives in Miami, it is possible he saw this specific job as a unique opportunity.  The Marlins announced Skip Schumaker as their new skipper on Tuesday.
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  1. LouWhitakerHOF

    5 months ago

    What a great hire Dombrowski was. Great job Phillies. I hope you win it all.

    Reply
    • ohyeadam

      5 months ago

      The man builds contenders wherever he goes

      Reply
      • Fever Pitch Guy

        5 months ago

        ohdam – You are absolutely correct. Dombrowski is a sure-fire HOF’er and all the Bloom apologists will have to get over the fact their team has had a major downgrade after Dombrowski left.

        But you know what? Duquette would have been a great choice too. He put together a team in Montreal that likely would have won the ’94 World Series, and he was the guy that was most responsible for the Red Sox core that went to the ALCS four times and won the WS twice.

        I guess the moral of the story is you can’t go wrong with Double-D’s.

        Reply
        • pwndroia

          5 months ago

          I didn’t mind Dombrowski myself. He cleared the farm but got us a championship.

        • JoeBrady

          5 months ago

          Of the 2004 RS with > 1.0 bWAR, 7 were DD guys and 11 were Theo guys. The total WAR was of those 18 players was 31.3 for Theo & 21.5 for DD. That said, DD was awful in Baltimore. He somehow went from 93 wins when he got there, to 47 wins when he got fired.

        • Fever Pitch Guy

          5 months ago

          Joe – I know you will always refuse to see the light, but I feel it’s my obligation to try and guide you.

          You never answered last time, so I’ll ask it again: If combined team WAR is the barometer for how good a team is …. then you must think World Series teams have the highest combined WAR, right?

          Dodgers had a combined 61.5 WAR this season.

          Phillies had a combined 42.4 WAR this season.

          So according to you, the Dodgers must be in the WS and the Phillies must not … right?

        • SportsFan0000

          5 months ago

          The Red Sox situation with Dombrowski was a textbook example of
          “If it aint broke”, then don’t fix it”.
          Non baseball people like: John Henry, Tom Werner & Sam Kennedy
          have been making the baseball decisions that they are not qualified to make in Boston.
          Henry is a hedge fund guy. Werner was a TV Producer, Sam Kennedy was a marketing and sales intern for Larry Lucchino with the Padres who followed him to Boston.
          And, you wonder why Theo Epstein, Dave Dombrowski and Ben Cherrington got forced out of Boston’s Front Office?!
          It is easy to see! Those Red Sox Execs are not baseball Executives and/or experts in constructing Championship baseball teams. They are business guys kind of out of their element.

        • pwndroia

          5 months ago

          I half agree with you. Our farm was broken and we did horrible in 2019. That’s why he was gone.

    • retired/advisory role

      5 months ago

      When they hired him it was all…..”oh my gosh another old school out if touch antique stone age hire. The game has passed him by.”

      Reply
      • RemoveManagerWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        5 months ago

        They said the same thing about Dusty.

        Reply
      • SportsFan0000

        5 months ago

        Old school Pres of Baseball Ops who also uses analytics also hires old school baseball lifer as manager.
        What could go wrong?!
        World Series title?!

        Reply
    • Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher

      5 months ago

      One down and three Ws to go and my Phillies are, in the words of Chase Utley, WFC!

      Reply
      • pwndroia

        5 months ago

        Astros still in it though, don’t get too excited.

        Reply
  2. RyanD44

    5 months ago

    Dombrowski has a history of leaving his teams with pretty ugly farm systems, but he always goes for the jugular when he’s in charge.. so gotta take the good with the bad.

    Reply
    • Rsk3228

      5 months ago

      I think he has improved our farm trmendously since being hired.

      Reply
      • RyanD44

        5 months ago

        Well he’s still there. I’m talking about when he leaves. Miami, Detroit, Boston.

        Reply
        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          5 months ago

          There’s a dark cloud for every silver lining.

        • RyanD44

          5 months ago

          2001 when Dombroski left Florida, they were ranked 28th in farm system by Baseball America.

          In 2015 when he left Detroit, they were ranked 30th by Baseball America.

          In 2019 when he left Boston, they were ranked 30th by Baseball America.

          The Phillies will do well while he’s there, but when he eventually leaves, he’s going to leave behind a ghost town.

        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          5 months ago

          So what you’re saying is past is prologue?

        • Innotsorryisaidthatoyourass

          5 months ago

          Andrew Painter and mick abel both possible additions to starting rotation next year are still there in spite of dombrowski. Both are top prospects. Painter looking to be a 1a.

        • drasco036

          5 months ago

          Prospects are cool but not as cool as pennants and rings.
          With that said, Dombroski has actually surprisingly not gutted his farm system in favor of winning (yet).

        • Samuel

          5 months ago

          RyanD44kl

          Perhaps you need to do some research on:

          1) Where those teams farm systems were ranked when he was hired.

          2) How many young players on those teams were brought in and developed by him (when he was brought into Detroit they had such an awful roster that he couldn’t make any trades because there wasn’t anyone he had that other teams wanted – LOL).

          3) What the owners of those 3 teams wanted him to do – get to and possibly win the WS. (top employees work at the direction of those that pay them).

          Additionally, you might also want to look at the status of the Phillies farm system when he was brought in – which was awful, How many players have been coached up the past 2 years and are either on the WS roster or were used in trades to bring in players that are on the WS roster; and how many quality prospects have been added to their farm system the last 2 years.

          FYI – you might want to check out his history,,,,,

          Before he headed up baseball operations he spent time heading up the Expos farm system; then at age 31 was made their GM. During his time there the Expos had a reputation of having one of the best – if not the best – farm system in MLB. Because of budget constraints they were constantly losing players to free agency or trading them as they were approaching it – yet the team stayed competitive as the roster was constantly being filled with quality players promoted from the farm system.

        • aragon

          5 months ago

          angels are already at the 30th and might as well take another world series trophy.

        • RemoveManagerWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          5 months ago

          He left a lot of talent in Boston on every level.

        • stymeedone

          5 months ago

          Miami won their 2nd World Series with the prospects he acquired during the first WS sell off. He is capable of doing well, whatever it is he is tasked with. He did what he was asked to do in both Detroit and Boston, and that necessitated the result with the farm. With Montreal and Miami, he built thru the farm.

        • Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher

          5 months ago

          Nah, we have a couple of stud pitchers, Painter and Abel, who Dombro isn’t gonna trade. Best part about this Phillies team staying good without dumping the farm system in trades, is the lineup being pretty well set, especially if they pick up Segura’s option and instead spend the cheese many think they’ll spend on a FA SS on a top tier SP.

        • SportsFan0000

          5 months ago

          Red Sox fan still crying about the bad decision(s) made by Red Sox Owners John Henry and Tom Werner?!

    • stanthefan

      5 months ago

      I think there’s way too much “stock” in farm prospects too. I’d trade my farm for a trip to the World Series!?

      Reply
      • Fever Pitch Guy

        5 months ago

        stan – So would the Rays, a team that is built for the regular season but not to win a WS.

        Reply
        • Cosmo2

          5 months ago

          Fever: let me introduce you to the concept of the effect of randomness on outcomes and how it applies to baseball. The Rays haven’t won the WS, doesn’t mean they’re not built to ever do so, it just means they haven’t. You do realize that if you replay these series several times you’ll have different outcomes?

        • IamThatDude

          5 months ago

          Yea like maybe the Mets could of won if they replayed lol Its rocking here in South Philly 1 down

        • Cosmo2

          5 months ago

          Yes. If they replayed the series it wouldn’t always be the same team winning. Too tough of a concept for you to understand? Good for the Phillies though. They won and deserve it.

      • vinc3nt3

        5 months ago

        Omar Manaya is famous for saying “prospects get GMs fired”.

        Reply
    • layventsky

      5 months ago

      He’s a “win now” type of GM who best fits a team that’s on the cusp of contention and needs that last major-league piece, bonus points if the owners don’t mind spending lots.

      Reply
      • SportsFan0000

        5 months ago

        Funny since many Phillies fans thought the Phillies rebuild was a failure and that the team should have been torn down, again for another rebuild before Dombrowski was hired.

        Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      RyanD44 False Narrative about Dombrowski

      Reply
    • tigers2022

      5 months ago

      To be fair in Detroit he did not want Prince Fielder and did a great job getting rid off him for talent elsewhere when it seemed highly unlikely that was even a possibility. It’s not in any articles or noted but I none the less would imagine Mike Illitch had a lot to do with the Cabrera extension as well. That being said, he also made trades ten times better than our previous GM. But alas, he does always have an open wallet and a stocked farmed system to deal with where he goes.

      Reply
      • Samuel

        5 months ago

        He didn’t, have a stocked farm system in Detroit, Miami, Montreal – and hardly had an open wallet when he got there…only later in Detroit. I don’t remember the situation in Boston.

        Reply
        • Fever Pitch Guy

          5 months ago

          Sam – Dombrowski inherited a lot of talent in Boston … Devers, Xander, Mookie, Benny, Moncada, Kopech, Margot, ERod, Vazquez, etc.

          Red Sox farm system was ranked 4th, but keep in mind the Red Sox were horrible 3 out of the 4 years prior to Dombrowski coming aboard therefore they had really good draft positioning.

      • SportsFan0000

        5 months ago

        Mike Illitch treated veteran players like “family”. He overpaid and extended their contracts too long. Then, he gave Dombrowski a budget including the “anchor contracts” already weighing the team down.

        Reply
    • GarryHarris

      5 months ago

      You have no evidence that he left teams with poor farms. Not the Expos, Marlins, Tigers or Red Sox. So explain yourself.

      Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      Wah, Wah Wah!
      Not another whiny Red Sox Fan!

      Red Sox ownership is dysfunctional.
      Owner John Henry did a “180 degree turn” on the business plan he gave to Dombrowski. Dombrowski had the skills and track record to implement the new plan based on his past successes in building top farm systems.

      It was John Henry and Tom Werner who shot the Red Sox in their feet, not Dombrowski

      Reply
  3. Rsox

    5 months ago

    I would like to see Dombrowski build an expansion team again

    Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      That is what he planned to do with Nashiville.

      He built top notch farm systems in Montreal and Miami(expansion club)

      Reply
  4. WampumWalloper

    5 months ago

    Phillies are having a wonderful run, they got hot when it counted, but where are all the statheads now? Phillies position player cumulative WAR 21, pitchers WAR 21.4, they only had 4 position players above 2 WAR only 3 pitchers above 2 WAR. The Dodgers and Astros had cumulative WAR of 61.5 and 54.2 to the Phillies 41.4. The Phillies had the 5th worst defense in baseball (up from the worst in 2021). The Phillies run differential of 84 pales in comparison to the Dodgers 331, Yankees 237 and Astros 231. On paper the Phillies are exactly what they played to this year, a 537 winning percentage, a team with flaws that won more than they lost. So statheads, is Dave Dombrowski a genius who deserves accolades for the Phillies winning the NL pennant, or are the Phillies just a team that got hot at the end of a season and rode the hot wave through the playoffs? I think it was Realmuto that said a couple of weeks ago “nobody wants to play the Phillies now”…..and he was right. The best team in baseball was not assembled in Philadelphia in 2022, just a very hot one playing great baseball when it counts!!

    Reply
    • Seamaholic

      5 months ago

      Same thing Atlanta did last year. That’s how the MLB playoffs work. Just get in and you get a dice roll.

      Reply
    • VonPurpleHayes

      5 months ago

      The Phillies had a historically terrible first half combined with a historically good second half. Cumulative stats don’t look as impressive as they’ve been since June. It’s not just like they got hot, they completely turned it around mid-season. Still not as good as juggernauts like LA, Atlanta, NYM, but right around them.

      Reply
      • Ma4170

        5 months ago

        This is what I was thinking Von – wonder where Phils rank in these stats for second half of season?
        I’ve always said WAR is a flawed stat that overrates defensive value, but some people have a hissy fit when I say that… even though I’ll stand by it

        Reply
        • Samuel

          5 months ago

          Ma4170;

          All stats misrepresent why what happened happened unless the person using them understand can factor in what the environment was in that time period – i.e what were the variables going into the algorithm that produced the stats.

          The Phillies have been in a state of change for 2 years since Dombrowski took over. Players were being reworked in both the minors and majors, and put in roles they could succeed in. Those roles changed, especially when the current manger was appointed in mid-season.

          Players that hit a lot of HR’s in during the recent baseball juiced seasons had their power stats go down when the balls were de-juiced. Does this mean they regressed as power hitters? BA’s and other offensive stats went down as teams all started using the shifts. Does this mean that all MLB hitters had bad years? Next year the shifts will go away. Will the stats be telling us that most MLB pitchers got worse?

          FO’s are forever developing and refining proprietary stats which put things into perspective. Fans and the media look at generalized stats and draw the wrong conclusions because they usually don’t put them into perspective….especially if they want to create a narrative.

        • Cat Mando

          5 months ago

          Ma4170…………..
          75-48 since June 1 including the playoffs.
          Great article here………… https://sports.yahoo.com/world-series-winners-win-total-200300725.html

        • Cosmo2

          5 months ago

          WAR overrates defensive adjustment because it’s trying to quantify replaceability. I agree that it’s annoying. You just have to make the re-adjustment yourself in your own head when judging players by the stat.

      • IamThatDude

        5 months ago

        Around them? Dude we beat Atlanta we beat the team that beat LA lol and the Mets are just the Mets. Oh and we won game 1 of the WS already wake up the team is good

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    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      The Phillies are the best team in the NL right now.
      If they win the Series, then they are the best team in baseball.

      Other 80+ win Wild Card teams have won the World Series including the Nationals, the Cardinals and more.

      Proof of Dombrowski’s excellent and winning ways is there for all to see.
      Without Dombrowski, the Phillies do not even make the playoffs and do not have a winning record for the 9th straight year.

      Reply
      • WampumWalloper

        5 months ago

        @sportsfan that is not correct. The best team does not always win the World Series. Anything can happen in a playoff series. Plenty of teams that were not the best any given year have won the World Series. Champions, yes absolutely, the best, not necessarily.

        Reply
        • IamThatDude

          5 months ago

          How can you watch baseball and say yea the team that won the WS is not the best hahahahaha.

        • Cosmo2

          5 months ago

          Sometimes the team that wins it all isn’t actually the best overall team. Champions yes but because they won a particular series. Not necessarily the best. This point keeps going over your head. It’s really pretty basic. If you had a WS of the 1998 Yankees vs this years Phillies, the Ohillies could win. If you replayed the series 200 times, the Phillies would certainly win many of them. Bottom line, 1998 Yankees are the better team.

    • Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher

      5 months ago

      Harper missed 52 games and Segura missed about the same. Yeah, the team only won 87 games, but how many more would they have won had they not lost those two for an extended period? Add in Wheeler, Eflin and Seranthony also missing time on the IL, and I’d say at least seven or eight more wins.

      Reply
    • Fever Pitch Guy

      5 months ago

      Wampum – You beat me to it, great point about the statheads who know a lot less about baseball than they do about numbers.

      Regarding the Phillies getting hot … you totally ignored the most significant factor, the managerial change. They played .586 ball after Girardi was let go.

      Reply
  5. RyanD44

    5 months ago

    What about the kid they traded to the Cubs for Robertson? Ben Brown? I thought he was a decent piece.

    Reply
    • Bart Harley Jarvis

      5 months ago

      You’re digging deep, but your hard work is truly appreciated.

      Reply
  6. VonPurpleHayes

    5 months ago

    Always thought Ibanez would make a great manager.

    Reply
  7. MPrck

    5 months ago

    Will he go get Verlander, if Verlander does well this world series ?? I think so.

    Reply
    • Bill M

      5 months ago

      He’ll have a lot of competition on Verlander

      Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      Dombrowski drafted and developed Verlander, Granderson, Porcello and many, many more.

      Reply
      • Codeeg

        5 months ago

        Developed? Did he give pitching advise from the box office?

        Reply
        • themustache

          5 months ago

          You think he sells tickets to the game? Truly a multifaceted executive.

        • SportsFan0000

          5 months ago

          He hired top notch Development people and was Pres of Baseball Ops overseeing their development.

        • GarryHarris

          5 months ago

          You know what he meant. Those players were drafted and developed while Dave Dombrowski was the GM. Your being argumentative for it’s own sake.

  8. NYMETSHEA

    5 months ago

    Mets should have a payroll of about 170 mil without deGrom, Diaz, Bassitt, Walker, Givens, and arbitration salaries. Mets signing deGrom and Diaz should bring that to 235 million plus arbitration salaries. I would imagine that the payroll will be around 265 mil after arbitration salaries.

    Will the Mets be able to spend to replace Bassitt or Walker? (assuming the fifth rotation spot becomes a battle between Megill, Peterson, and Lucchesi in spring training)

    Will the Mets be able to add a top free agent?

    Reply
    • Bill M

      5 months ago

      The Mets are in trouble if Megill & Lucchesi are battling for a rotation spot in spring training

      Reply
      • WampumWalloper

        5 months ago

        Have we not learned anything from the Braves and Phillies? Have 3 solid SP’s, Home Run Hitters and get to the playoffs. If the SP’s and Bombers deliver a team can win a WS. Who battles for the 5th spot in a rotation during the season doesn’t matter.

        Reply
        • Samuel

          5 months ago

          WampumWalloper;

          The 4th and 5th spots in the rotation matter during the season. If the pitchers can get into at least the 6th inning a good amount of the time it saves the bullpen.

        • WampumWalloper

          5 months ago

          @Samuel, I agree that any starter that eats innings and saves bullpen arms is a good thing, but in todays game, many teams that use an opener and a slew of bullpen arms on the 5th day, and a certain team has a 5th starter with a 5.05 ERA and an 81 ERA+ and they are in the World Series

      • NYMETSHEA

        5 months ago

        I do not think that Megill and Peterson battling for the fifth spot in the rotation, possibly with another low priced signing would be that bad. Would prefer Peterson getting the chance with Megill in long relief.

        I hope that the Mets are able to:
        1) trade for Jake McCarthy
        2) resign Bassitt
        3) sign Trea Turner

        CF Marte
        2nd McNeil
        3rd Trea Turner
        1st Alonso
        SS Lindor
        LF Canha
        C Alvarez/Nido/McCann
        RF Jake McCarthy

        Reply
        • Bill M

          5 months ago

          Peterson yes. Megill & Lucchesi should be considered as bullpen pieces.

        • Cosmo2

          5 months ago

          Why do you like McCarthy so much?

        • Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher

          5 months ago

          Marte can’t play CF any longer. Mets are fools if they let Nimmo walk. He does what a lead off hitter is supposed to do, i.e. Gets on base.

    • IamThatDude

      5 months ago

      The Mets will keep being the Mets. And the phillies will be taking DeGrom. Wheeler gonna have a nice talk with him to come on over

      Reply
      • Cosmo2

        5 months ago

        The Mets had a pretty good season.

        Reply
  9. citizen

    5 months ago

    Interesting clause
    When is MLB expanding to nashville.?
    Are the marlins moving there?
    Care to enlighten the readers?

    Reply
    • gbs42

      5 months ago

      He was working with a group looking to bring an MLB team to Nashville before taking the Phillies job. Getting a team in Music City is a big if down the road some day.

      Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      Dombrowski was leading a group to get a new MLB expansion team for Nashville.

      Reply
    • WampumWalloper

      5 months ago

      @citizen https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/athletics/report-dave-stewart-led-group-prepares-bid-nashville-mlb-expansion-team?amp

      Reply
    • LordD99

      5 months ago

      Manfred says MLB won’t expand until the fate of new ballparks for the A’s and Rays is addressed, just in case they need to relocate one of those teams to a city like Nashville. Both of those should be settled in the next year. Expansion by two teams will add another 80 player jobs, so I expect MLB will use it for negotiating leverage as part of the next CBA, so I don’t think we’ll see expansion for another five years.

      Reply
  10. Whonose

    5 months ago

    Just don’t give him unlimited access to the team credit card and farm system.

    Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      You have been suckered by the Red Sox and their whining media narrative that is patently false.

      Reply
  11. SportsFan0000

    5 months ago

    Dave Dombrowski is a 1st ballot Hall of Fame MLB Executive and was even before his amazing 2 year turn around of the Phillies who had not had a winning record in 8 years!

    Dombrowski’s journey and leadership in MLB with various clubs have highlighted his ability to use all the tools in the Front Office toolbox to build winners where ever he worked even when Ownership/Teams presented wholly different business plans.

    Dombrowski built top farm systems in Montreal and Miami.(LOW BUDGET TEAMS) A few years after Dombrowski left the Expos, his farm players were the core of the Expos team that had the best record in baseball when the strike shut down the season.
    The Marlins where an expansion team that Dombrowski built from scratch to World Series Champions in record time. And, Dombrowski left the Marlins farm in great shape as his farm players and players acquired in trades became the core of the Marlins 2nd
    Championship team after Dombrowski left for Detroit.

    The Detroit Tigers and Boston Red Sox Ownership adopted completely different “win now” plans. Mike Illitch wanted always to “double down”, pull out all the stops for a championship at all times. The Red Sox’s John Henry is the hard driving Wall Street, scorched earth owner who demanded another World Series Championship like yesterday.
    In both Detroit and Boston, Dombrowski implemented the marching orders.

    With Phillies, Dombrowski has been careful to hang onto his top 3 young pitching prospects who could be in the rotation in ’23 or’24. In all the trades he has made in Philadelphia, Dombrowski traded away only 1 top prospect (Catcher O’hoppe for young CF Brandon Marsh) and that position is covered for the next 4 years by JT Realmuto.

    Tigers fans must realize that Dombrowski was fired by Mike Illitch for starting the
    “retool”/rebuild with younger players that Dombrowski knew the Tigers team needed badly.

    Red Sox Fans must realized that Owner John Henry has thrown Dombrowski under the bus for following Henry’s “marching orders”, successfully I might add.
    Dombrowski was President of Baseball Ops in Miami when Wayne Huzienga sold the Marlins to guess who?! John Henry current Red Sox Owner!
    John Henry knew Dombrowski’s skill in building farm systems in Montreal and Miami
    because John Henry was Dombrowski’s boss after Wayne Huizenga sold the team to Henry.
    Both Dombrowski and John Henry left the Marlins in 2001 Dombrowski to go to Detroit
    and Henry to go to Boston.

    So there is something about this situation and how Dombrowski was thrown under the bus in Boston for doing his job that does not add up.
    Paging Sam Kennedy! Paging Same Kennedy!
    I think the real reason Dombrowski was let go in Boston
    was a power struggle in the Red Sox Front Office.
    Dombrowski was Pres of Baseball Ops in Miami and Detroit.
    Dombrowski accepted essentially a demotion to join the Red Sox as GM?!
    Push came to shove in Boston and, apparently, John Henry and Tom Werner
    chose Sam Kenney over Dave Dombrowski….
    That is the Red Sox’s loss and the Phillies gain.

    All this Red Sox and Boston Media nonsense about Dombrowski not being able
    to build teams from the ground up, is complete nonsense.
    Dombrowski proved that with Montreal and Miami.
    Why was Dombrowski working on a new expansion franchise for Nashville?!
    Expansion teams don’t come stocked with high priced free agents etc…
    I might add that it came out afterwards that Theo Epstein left the Red Sox under similar circumstances: Power struggle with micromanaging CEO Larry Lucchino.
    Don’t blame Dombrowski for the Red Sox Ownership and /Front office dysfunction

    Reply
    • thughand

      5 months ago

      Looks like we’ve found DD’s burner account! Thanks for the entertaining year, Dom, now finish this thing and give us another parade down Broad.

      Reply
    • Citizen1

      5 months ago

      Fun fact: marlins never won a division title. Dom brow ski did not build the farm system of an expansion team nOr expansion draft into the ws in 1997. That was bough by High priced free agents. After they were traded off, dom didnt stick around for any rebuilding.
      Where’s the tigers ws title?

      Reply
      • stymeedone

        5 months ago

        Tigers were contenders for a decade. He completely rebuilt the team without a rebuild, going from a team with Pudge and Ordonez to one with Cabrera and Martinez. World Series Championships are never guaranteed. Ask the Yankees how he did. They regularly eliminated them.

        Reply
        • citizen

          5 months ago

          Jeff conine is that you?

      • GarryHarris

        5 months ago

        Dave Dombrowski built great Tigers teams. Jim Leyland should’ve been fired after 07 and certainly after 08. He mismanaged post season.

        Reply
      • SportsFan0000

        5 months ago

        The Marlins, in 1997, were the first wild card team to reach and first to win the World Series. By winning again in 2003, they became the first team to win the World Series twice as a wild card. The Marlins are also the only team to win the World Series without ever winning a division title.

        FACT: Dombrowski built Marlins 1997 World Series Champion by building primarily with the baseball draft, trades, international signings.
        A few free agents were added,
        Dombrowski drafted and signed Miguel Cabrera and other young star players.
        Cabrera was a rookie for the 1997 expansion team Championship.

        FACT: Owner Wayne Huizenga ordered a “fire sale” after the 1997 Marlins Championship to make the books look better for his sale of the team to John Henry.

        FACT: The core of the 2nd Marlins World Series Championship was players acquired by Dombrowski in those fire sale trades.
        Dombrowski left the Marlins in 2001
        Marlins 2nd Championship was 2003.

        FACT: Dombrowski deserves some of the credit for the 2nd Marlins Championship in 2003 only 2 years after he left for Detroit.

        Reply
  12. Mike Mangan

    5 months ago

    What would happen should THE MIAMI MARLINS relocate in NASHVILLE Thet dont draw at all attendance wise in Miami.

    Reply
    • Cosmo2

      5 months ago

      For one thing, they’d be surrounded by terrible pop music that folks mistake for “country”

      Reply
      • Fink Ployed

        5 months ago

        What? You don’t like rock music with cowboy hats?

        Reply
        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          5 months ago

          Fink P,
          To be honest, no, not at all. ‘Cow Pop’ might be the worst genre of music ever created. Just sayin’.

        • Fink Ployed

          5 months ago

          I like Hank Williams, Jimmy Rogers, Bob Wills, Roger Miller, Flatt & Scruggs, Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, George Jones, etc., and “Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music” by Ray Charles is one of the all-time great albums, IMO. Cow pop? That’s cow pies to me.

    • citizen

      5 months ago

      fair weather fans in Miami.
      And it rains a lot.
      Nashville is braves country.
      Easier commute for the braves to face mlb nashville sounds but they may have territorial rights.

      Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      Not going to happen.
      MLB is committed to 2 teams in Florida.

      Reply
  13. JoeBrady

    5 months ago

    The funny part is, had Mil traded for a good hitter, Philly would’ve missed the playoffs again. Then the narrative would be as follows:

    1-DD added Schwarber, Castellanos, Knebel, Familia, and Hand, for $61M, and got a combined 3.0 bWAR out of them.

    2-He spent $61M and already had Harper, Wheeler, Realmuto, and Nola, and still only played .537?

    If Hader doesn’t allow two runs in the 9th on 6/7, everyone in here would be screaming for him to be fired.

    Reply
    • Samuel

      5 months ago

      Joe;

      If It’s and Buts were Candy and Nuts……

      Reply
      • Samuel

        5 months ago

        Some haven’t heard it:

        If If’s and But’s were Candy and Nuts

        We’d all have a Merry Christmas.

        Reply
      • JoeBrady

        5 months ago

        The point being is that a lot of guys get judged on results, and not their moves. Most of the Philly team was already there. His deadline moves were good. His free agent moves were necessary, just not overly productive. His best move by far is the one no one remembers-picking up Alvarado for very little.

        Reply
        • SportsFan0000

          5 months ago

          Domb made a long list of moves and most panned out in favor of the Phillies. Ask John Middleton and Phillies fans if they want Dombrowski to stay or go?!
          First move Dombrowski made was signing his own free agent catcher JT Realmuto to a long term deal.
          Realmuto was going to be a free agent and go on the open market.
          Mets and others were interested poaching him.
          Realmuto stayed in Phille because of Dombrowski’s reputation for building winners and Dombrowski and his family wining and dining Realmuto.
          Domb’s wife is from Oklahoma like Realmuto and his wife.
          Otherwise, he could have been gone,gone, gone.

    • IamThatDude

      5 months ago

      the Milwaukee fan brings up the if game. You can’t talk you didn’t even make it to the playoffs lolll and we owned the tie breaker on you as well. You just sucked as a team bro lol

      Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      I doubt it. If Dombrowski does not get 1 player, then he pivots and gets another equally talented player. That guy is relentlessly, always trying to improve his team,

      Reply
  14. Innotsorryisaidthatoyourass

    5 months ago

    Game one in the books.

    Reply
  15. Fink Ployed

    5 months ago

    Some phans phelt the Phillies would phail, but their game was phundamentally phlawless. Down phive runs, but no white phlag from the phabled Phightin’ Phils! Their unphlagging, unphlappable phortitude was phreakin’ phantastic!

    Reply
  16. Marinararivera

    5 months ago

    I have an Ibanez 6 string bass. Would highly recommend!

    Reply
  17. endzonedance

    5 months ago

    Maybe the best move all season, Dom made or not, was firing Girardi and promoting Philly Rob. It’s been a fun run!

    Reply
    • SportsFan0000

      5 months ago

      Dombrowski took the 1st and 2nd year to rebuild the front office, farm, player development etc.
      He is “hands on”.
      He noticed a “clubhouse culture” problem with the team. Joe Girardi was too uptight, too tense etc.
      Some teams need and thrive under a Joe Girardi type “intense” manager.
      Girardi also preferred to play his veterans and not develop his young players like Stott and others.
      He was not a fit for the Phillies team.
      Dombrowski was smart enough and decisive enough to see a problem
      and then decisively correct it before the season was lost.
      And, Dombrowski subtracted players like Didi and Herrera that gave
      Rob Thomson the “green light” to play his young players.

      Reply

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