The 2022 Rule 5 draft will begin at 4pm Central time today at the Winter Meetings in San Diego. This will be the first time since 2019 that the meetings will be held in person, as the 2020 edition was virtual because of the pandemic and the 2021 draft was cancelled entirely due to the lockout.
As a refresher, the Rule 5 draft is a way for players potentially talented enough for the big leagues but blocked by their current clubs to find opportunities elsewhere. Any players that were 18 and under at the time of their original signing and were signed in 2018 or earlier, and any players 19 or older and signed in 2019 or earlier, who are not on a club’s 40-man roster are eligible to be selected in the Rule 5 draft.
The clubs will draft in reverse order of the 2022 standings, with no club obligated to make a selection when it’s their turn. If they do make a pick, they will have to pay $100K to the team they select from. The selected players must stay on the active roster (or injured list) for the entire 2023 season or else be placed on waivers. If they clear waivers, they must be offered back to their original team. They cannot be optioned to the minors. The most recent edition in 2020 saw some notable names move around, such as Akil Baddoo going from the Twins to the Tigers while Garrett Whitlock went from the Yankees to the Red Sox.
This post will be updated with the results as they come in…
First Round
1. Nationals: RHP Thad Ward (Red Sox) (hat tip to Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com)
2. A’s: 1B Ryan Noda (Dodgers)
3. Pirates: LHP Jose Hernandez (Dodgers)
4. Reds: OF Blake Sabol (Pirates); Reds later traded Sabol to Giants for cash or a player to be named later
5. Royals: pass
6. Tigers: RHP Mason Englert (Rangers)
7. Rangers: pass
8. Rockies: RHP Kevin Kelly (Guardians); Rockies later traded Kelly to Rays for cash considerations
9. Marlins: RHP Nic Enright (Guardians)
10. Angels: pass
11. D-backs: pass
12. Cubs: pass
13. Twins: pass
14. Red Sox: pass
15. White Sox: RHP Nick Avila (Giants)
16. Giants: pass
17. Orioles: RHP Andrew Politi (Red Sox)
18. Brewers: RHP Gus Varland (Dodgers)
19. Rays: pass
20. Phillies: RHP Noah Song (Red Sox)
21. Padres: LHP Jose Lopez (Rays)
22. Mariners: RHP Chris Clarke (Cubs)
23. Guardians: pass
24. Blue Jays: pass
25. Cardinals:RHP Wilking Rodriguez (Yankees)
26. Yankees: pass
27. Mets: RHP Zach Greene (Yankees)
27. Braves: pass
29. Astros: pass
30. Dodgers: pass
Second Round
- All teams passed
The minor league phase of the Rule 5 draft also occurred this afternoon. Those players will not go onto the selecting teams’ 40-man roster. A few former major leaguers changed uniforms. They include Hector Perez from Baltimore to the Rays, Josh Palacios from the Nationals to the Pirates, Jared Oliva from the Pirates to the Angels, Nick Burdi from the Padres to the Cubs, Peter Solomon from the Pirates to the D-Backs and Jonathan Arauz from the Orioles to the Mets.
Of course Pirates are in range of 1-10.
The Bucs certainly don’t need another shortstop, a pitcher would be better
Hoping for Pirates to take OF Jordyn Adams from Angels. They need more pure speed. His speed and defense make him easy to stash as 26th man.
looks like Duane Underwood Jr will be looking for another team to play for
With the Bucs taking LHP Jose Hernandez ( Dodgers), someone will need to be waived as the roster was already at 40
Underwood is arbitration eligible this year for the first time
Hoping Pirates take OF Jordyn Adams from Angels. They need pure speed. Speed add defense guy is easy to stash as 26th man.
A starting pitcher.
Nobody slipping through the cracks this year?
Somebody always does but we won’t know until that unprotected player goes out and performs for their new team.
I’m so upset that Boston didn’t protect Thad Ward. He is far along enough is his development that he can easily stay on an MLB roster for the entire 2023 season, whether it be as a starter or reliever. Boston had no reason to protect David Hamilton over Thad Ward. I called this out when they first released their protected list and said this decision is going to come back and bite them. Ward is a very talented pitcher and is ready for the big leagues now. Smart pickup by the Nats.
Also, wondering how the Noah Song claim will work. The last I heard, he still hadn’t received authorization from the Navy to delay his service time and go back to MLB. If they did grant him permission, then I’m not sure how he’ll fare in MLB as his last pitching work for Boston was 2+ years ago for the Lowell Spinners (Low-A ball team which has since been eliminated). Song has immense talent but I doubt he can bi-pass A, A+, AA, AAA with that long of a layoff and stay on a major league 26-man roster all year.
Well a guy on the MLBTR comments said a guy with 44 innings above High A is MLB ready, so he must be.
Do the Reds or Pirates ever scout any organizations other than each other?
It’s that ketchup and mustard mix that always goes together. Reds got a guy whom is waiting for an opportunity and could very well achieve at the big league level. I was afraid he would be taken in the Rule 5 and I can’t be disappointed in losing him. He wasn’t going to get a chance in Pittsburgh anyways. They will later regret it though
Pretty sure the A’s 40-man is now full.
I could be wrong, but I think it’s at 39.
They haven’t officially announced either of their free agent signings yet.
That explains it, since they don’t hit the 40-man until then.
standing at 38 right now.
The Yankees have had more players taken over the past five years than any team by a wide margin. They in turn haven’t selected a player since 2012. It’s a function of how they develop swing-and-miss pitchers who can be attractive relievers to other teams. They can’t keep them all. I expect at least two to go today. Will they stick?
Yordan didn’t miss
Was Yordan Alvarez a Rule 5? I thought the Dodgers traded for him.
Yordan was acquired for Josh Fieilds from the Dodgers.
Rob, I was meaning Yordan didn’t swing and miss against the Yankees.
The best jokes are the ones you have to explain.
You must mean “don’t” have to explain.
No, he had it right. A sarcastic dig.
It’s a function of how they develop swing-and-miss pitchers who can be attractive relievers to other teams.
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They’ve been doing this for a long time. It might be the single thing that the NYY consistently beat the RS in,
….OR they just buy the players they need andnthose that become blocked are Rule 5 eligible and taken.
They’re acknowledged at being very good at what I suggested. Since they draft at the back end every year, they instead have targeted certain type of pitchers in the mid-rounds who fit into their training program. Almost all show an increase in velocity and an increase in swing and miss with swirly pitches. The Rays and Dodgers are very good at this too. Maybe the O’s are entering the conversation, but I’ll have to see more than one year.
So either guys like Michael King or Ron Marinaccio step into the pen, or they’ll trade for relievers like Peralta and Holmes and instantly make them better. They know which types of pitchers fit into their program. The real beneift though is they take many of these arms and package them at the deadline in trades. Last season it was Sears and Waldichuk and Wesneski, who were on few people’s radar a year ago. They have four or five arms like that already staged for next year. Bloom is trying to copy this model. He’s not quite there yet, which is why he’s been signing relievers. Zach Greene would have been a good one to take from the Yankees this Rule 5, but the Mets grabbed him.
I’ve noticed they tend to sign a lot of pitchers for cheap in the International draft as well, and some of those turn into power arms. Pitchers are almost never among the highest rated (and most expensive) prospects in the Int. draft; they must be very hard to project at those ages. The point is, the Yankees use their financial strength to hand out a lot of modest bonuses to a lot of young unheralded pitchers; and enough eventually work out to make this strategy worthwhile.
Is this televised anywhere?
Yes, but they hold it in a Dave and Buster’s instead of a grand ballroom. And it’s only on the CW.
And ESPN Ocho
I hope not. It’s dreadfully boring. : -)
I do believe MLB.com has broadcasted it in the past, but I don’t see a link on their web site.
I’m listening on MLB.com
Where is it? I can’t find a link on their main page.
Hope Heriberto Hernandez falls to the Tigers!
Shoot, it looks like there is quite a bit of talent in this one! Canzone looks good
Go figure, a RHP..
In general, I prefer pitchers as Rule 5 picks over position players, since they are easier to carry on the roster. But the Tigers got at least a little bit of value from both kind of picks in Baddoo, Rony Garcia or Reyes.
Gruß,
BSHH
Englert is a curious prospect. Not sure he’s ready, but he’s worth keeping an eye on.
He was nails with the Bad News Bears
I saw it was all blank and thought nobody had chosen anyone lol.
You weren’t alone…me too!
The first rule of the Rule 5 draft is you don’t talk about the Rule 5 draft.
Imagine losing a decent prospect like thad ward because you wanted to keep a bum like Kaleb ort.
A soon to be 26 year old who’s pitched 9 games at AA isn’t much of a prospect at this point. And I image Orts a designated DFA guy when then need to open a spot up.
When Ort is DFA’d, he will be gone for good. Ward is not gone for good. He could be returned.
Kaleb Orts actually has good stuff and for a reliever his locations are good.
Admittedly I was just joking around because the bloom haters would eat it up.
I saw Ort in person a few times against the O’s . They hit him pretty well.
100 mph fastball is a pitch to work with. He could be a late bloomer and you can option him. I don’t have a problem with the move really. Not terribly impressed with Bloom developing pitchers so far though.
tom
Yankee envy is hard to overcome.
A lot of fans wish their teams could just purchase championships like the yankees have done over the past century
@Bstrowman – You nailed it! Kaleb Ort is over 30 years old and he got absolutely shelled in the majors last season. I can’t believe they held on to him (or protected David Hamilton) instead of Thad Ward. Glaring mistake by Bloom & Co. All I could think of is that they plan to DFA Ort, Hamilton, etc.. once they sign FA’s so they just gambled on leaving Ward unprotected and they lost that bet.
I also like what AJ Politi did for Boston’s minor league teams last season, but you can’t protect everyone I guess. He might be able to stick in the majors this season as well out of the bullpen.
Dorothy_Mantooth;
I don’t dissect every single off-season move, any more than someone would stand behind a surgeon questioning every move.
Teams FO’s make multiple moves and one often sets up another. Sometimes I see a pattern developing as they happen, sometimes not. Nevertheless, rosters aren’t frozen on opening day so I find it best to roll with things.
Chaim Bloom is not unilaterally making moves. He has a staff.
They have info that no one here has the slightest idea about, and most decisions are made by some form of consensus.
A lot of teams lost players to the Rule 5 draft this year. Only Red Sox fans are getting bent out of shape about it here in the chatroom (as if they knew anything about those guys anyway). It says little about the Red Sox, but a lot about their fans that post here.
If you didn’t know, Boston is the team that’s the most popular one put on players list of places they can’t be traded to in no-trade contracts, and has been for decades.
Would love to see those stats you have on no trade clauses.
Why do players not want to be traded to Boston?
This has started well. /s. Nice move by Nats.
Dang it, why didn’t Bloom protect him
He would have to be pretty bad not to stick in the Nats bullpen for the season.
Simple rule. You don’t usually protect relief pitchers that you don’t project to help you in the pen this year. There are a few exceptions but Ward isn’t one of them. On the other hand he has a chance to stick with the Nats and make trade-bait status by the all-star break. Which would make it a nice move for them at no cost.
But, if you’ve got a guy who is a lock to get taken, and, when the 40-man moves were announced most any knowledgeable person regarding the sox prospects knew he was a lock to go, if you aren’t going to protect him…. TRADE HIM.
Just another situation of bloom squandering assets. Of the guys taken though, Song almost hurts more.
you will use any excuse you can to burry bloom. Pretty Sure ward coming of 9 AA starts had little trade value.
Let me ask you, do even mere cash considerations have more worth than nothing?
The answer is yes.
Just admit bloom screwed up, again, this time in the Rule 5. Take a look at Politi’s AAA number from 2022 as well while you’re at it.
Bloom trades a guy with surplus value in Renfroe for a guy with severe negative value over 2 years in Bradley which also keeps them over the tax affecting their draft and ifa positions all to acquire two prospects who are both ranked lower than the guy he just let go for nothing in Ward.
Well considering the Nationals had to pay the Red Sox for ward they get cash considerations…
They receive cash for rule 5 picks. I’m sure bloom knows the rules better then you do.
100k doesn’t offset the tens of millions of Bradley’s salary.
I am personally very upset the Tiger didn’t snatch Song.
I am quickly losing any faith in the new guy, Scott Harris.
Dombrowski, being “the Dom”. Figures he’d be the one.
Hope the Tigers trade for him (Song).
GASoxFan;
Know why Bloom didn’t trade him? Probably because no one would give him anything worth a s*** for him. So he left him off the 40 man and someone took him. Bloom and his FO are probably happy they did.
How do you know he doesn’t have a free agent signing or a trade on hold until after the Rule 5 draft. Lots of teams do that.
You just make it up as you go along. I thought you were funny, but I’m tired of it.
Mute.
and maybe they tried to trade him, and got no bites. at that point in time, this is safest route
Idk if he deserved the mute!
But they probably didn’t trade him because they didn’t lose him yet.
So many rule 5 guys are returned. The odds that Boston actually loses all 3 of these guys are pretty damn low. they aren’t all going to stick on a ML roster all year.
@BestScreenName – Thad Ward is a starting pitcher, not a bullpen pitcher. I believe he was coming off TJS this past season so they limited his innings as an opener or sometimes as a reliever, but he has the pitch selection and control to be a starting pitcher for sure. He could be a great addition to the Nats no matter where they end up using him.
Now, Ward is probably gone though.
The Nats pitching is abysmal and they have no reason to not keep a guy with upside unless he proves to be completely not ready.
The other 2 will probably be heading back to Boston. Song is a wildcard because of his status. If he’s not cleared to come back before serving he probably won’t have a MLB career at all. I can’t imagine he sticks in Philly if he is cleared though. They have WS hopes.
I’m kind of surprised the Sox had 3 players selected.
Song was an odd one. He might not even be allowed to play in the majors this because of his Navy commitment.
This is true, but, I’d expect the Phillies would then just be allowed to put him onto the restricted list.
A rule 5 player can go on the IL, and, I’m not aware of anything that says DD can’t just hold Song on the roster until ST starts, then likewise assign him to the restricted list and free up the spot, for now. His compulsory service at this point and the refusals of the military to grant him that deferment counts.
Song filed another appeal that hasn’t been ruled on to be allowed to play having finished flight school. If I were Song I’d just refuse to be vaccinated so I get discharged anyways not that flight school is over.
The govt should’ve just let him go play.
He could’ve paid off the cost of that education with the signing bonus he could’ve gotten without restrictions.
Not like the US gov’t doesn’t piss more tax dollars away on dumber things everyday.
I’m not well versed with how the restricted list works but I Was under the impressive they couldn’t just drop him onto the restricted list like that as way to circumvent the rules of the rule 5 draft
Restricted list was made to allow teams not to be deprived of contract rights while a player cannot perform for non-disciplinary, non-health related reasons outside club control.
Bloom could’ve 40-manned him to preserve Boston’s right. He didn’t.
DD exercised the Phillies rule 5 rights. Now, as long as boxes are checked, there’s nothing I’m aware of preventing use of the RL
ok but there’s the still issue of the fact that Song hasn’t played professionally at any level in three years. So they’d have to fake an injury or essentially just hot shot him to the majors?
If Sony is able to stay on the restricted list for the full season, I’m quite sure his Rule V requirements would spill over into 2024. In other words, he won’t be free & clear of Philly having to keep him on the 26-man roster for a full season. That will just get delayed one year.
The Bloomin’ goofball goofed up again. – Thad Ward #1 taken.
Oh no! A near 26 year future reliever with 41 innings above High A, how will they ever recover!
Your Mom is calling, she needs service! Get off the computer
He wasn’t wrong though. Red Sox fans acting like Bloom failed to protect the next Pedro.
2.53ERA in Minors plus he lost 2 years – 1 for Covid and 1 for TJ surgery. There is a reason why he was taken #1. Went up four levels last year with 2.28 ERA. He will stick with the Nationals. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=ward–000tha&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=&utm_medium=referral
vtadave;
Red Sox fans on here knew next to nothing about baseball except that their team has to spend more money than anyone else.
Politi just got taken aswell
Does anyone else find the busty blur lead pick for this post a bit awkward??
Hoping the Pirates take OF Jordyn Adams from Angels. They need more pure speed. Spied and defense is easy to stash as 26th man.
I’m sure the Mets will leave someone exposed….Love ’em, but they are frustrating sometimes
Well, the Mets seem to have gotten a promising relief pitcher in Zach Greene in the Rule 5 draft.
Greene is another one of those pitchers the Yankees breed in the minors now. He had a 33.3% K rate and a 14.6% swinging strike rate in 68 relief innings at AAA. His fastball isn’t exceptional, sitting in the low 90s, but his deception makes it seem like there’s an extra four or five miles on it. Deceptive to hitters. He doesn’t have enough for the Yankees to give him a 40-man spot, but he has enough that he could stick on the Mets as they’re looking at interesting arms to build out the back of their pen.
Didn’t lose anyone.
Noah Song is definitely an interesting player and situation.
Seems like a major over reach to expect he sticks to the ML roster. I’m not sure how it works, but he did receive a deferment on required military service.
they have to keep a 40 man spot open for him until the season starts. then they can put him on the restricted list. All the talent in the world. Just a fascinating situation.
But shouldn’t his service time start when his major league career began not when he was drafted? Technically his career was paused but idk, very interesting either way.
I don’t believe he’s received a deferment unless something changed…
How is he exactly eligible……? And would a player of his experience help the MLB roster, unless a trade is in the works….
As a Phillies fan, anything is good, but this is curious….
thanks 2AW, lessens my headache a bit….
Rule 5 only cares about draft year and age.
As for how he could help, he was a college arm, not a high school arm when drafted. Being in the military, I don’t think you need to worry a out the physical conditioning aspect.
He may have rust, but, a low leverage reliever situation once off the RL when his deferment comes through should work. He had lots of talent as a college arm.
two things if the deferment comes through and he will for sure need time in the minors.
Probably not on a WS contender though. I’m sure he’s in shape but there’s a big difference b/w in good physical shape and baseball training. Or baseball shape for that matter.
We’ll see. Maybe the break wasn’t the worst thing for his arm. But I’d think he needs some minor league time to even find his mechanics again.
Thankfully Dan Duquette is gone. Otherwise the O’s would be getting our starting 3rd baseman today.
Song and Ward Hurt So Bad
not really. Ward doesn’t have much of a track record in the minors and Song probably won’t be pitching at all this year.
Politi is a big loss too. He looks ready to contribute at the major league level. He can slide right into the Os bullpen for this season
Agreed elsewhere on Politi. Never understood why he didn’t get a shot last year with the bullpen how it was, except they didn’t want to start his clock.
However, after leaving him unprotected,even that doesn’t make sense.
Just talk it up to bloom being bloom.
It’s a free roll for Baltimore but Politi isn’t a big guy with any standout pitches.
We might’ve found a middle reliever if it’s a hit but those types are hard to keep all year if you plan on being in contention.
A’s just landed Ryan Noda. He’s a beast. Good Rule 5 pick up
A’s need a 1B so good move.
Luckily he can play outfield well and if we need a DH he’ll fit the bell pretty well. I say give him a go, get 2 top hundred prospects and maybe more for Murphy and let’s go get um and shock um
a 1B who stole 20 bases. rare
And he’s a lefty which is a perfect complement to Dermis at 1B. Hopefully he’s more Mark Canha than Vimeal Machín.
Also noticed that nobody swooped up Davidson or McCann which is great and I think both are protected from the AAA phase of the draft.
The LV diamond is going to be fun to watch next year with Soderstrom, Gelof, Díaz, McCann, Harris, and Davidson on there. We haven’t a minor league squad this intriguing since the Olson/Pinder/Chapman era back in 17/18.
As a Dodgers fan, I think it’s a good move too. Always liked him but there was no room at the inn in LA for him, blocked by someone named Freeman. Not sure he necessarily projects to an everyday player mind you, but think he should stick with the A’s all year.
So much for my dream of including Dalbec in a package to Oakland for Murphy. He wouldn’t be the headliner of course but he seems like a player Oakland would drool over to get on their roster.
Power-speed combo guy who also gets on base very well, is a plus defensive 1B, can play the outfield as well, and will be a great platoon with Garcia at 1B. This was a good pick for the A’s. The only thing I’m worried about is his swing and miss. He strikes out quite a bit.
Meet your A’s 2023 starting first baseman, Ryan Noda!
Man the Rule 5 draft is like a big budget action movie. There is always a ton of anticipation for it, but when it happens you wonder what the fuss is over and when it is done, you have basically forgotten it forever.
…forgotten what? Oh yeah.
Wow – the bloomin Buffon left Noah Song unprotected. IMO he should have been exempt from Rule 5 because of military service. – Utter BS
Not sire if you’re really dense or a troll.
Learn to spell moron! Again your Mom is calling, she needs service….again!
Looks like we found KD17 new account….
Kenny, Not sure if you have any idea who Song is or the particulars of his situation. Sounds like not.
he can be placed on the restricted list once the season has started – but needs to be protected via a 40 man spot until then.
And, this shows yet again why an experienced PBO like DD is better than a fool like bloom who is in over his head. Nice grab based on rules knowledge by DD.
Anyone see an issue with any of these players being linked to BR pages of guys that have multiple seasons in the big leagues?
WOW! Dodgers and Red Sox got fleeced the most. 6 of the 15 taken from just two teams. Let’s see if any of them stick.
What are the Phillies doing taking a guy on the military list? I thought R5 guys couldn’t spend the whole year on any list that would remove them from the 40-man (60-day, restricted list, etc.)
Apparently the restricted list doesn’t count and he can just be stashed on there until he possibly comes back. If he does, he’d have to stay on the 26-man the whole year
It works the same way with the 60 Day IL. Rule 5 guys can be placed on the 60, but it doesn’t count toward their time needed on the 26 man roster. Same with the shorter IL as well. I’m not sure the exact number of days required to be on, but I know it is less than a full year.
Song is a smart pick. Stash him away. Maybe you catch lightning in a bottle when he comes back to pitch.
I feel like this was the quickest draft in history. Took less than 15 minutes?
Ryan noda had an almost 400 OBP in the pcl last year with 25 hrs. A bit of an older prospect but he could see some decent MLB time.
he also stole 20 bases last year so he’s got decent speed
I really liked him when he was with the Jays and wanted them to keep him. He throws and bats Left. Has a crazy good eye and some decent power but usually bats 220-250. The eye, power and defense are skills that should translate to the big leagues u would think. I wish him nothing but the best and I will be watching him during spring training
Detroit picked Texas pocket for a new pitcher. Looks big strong an k’s a lot. Harris makes a move. Winter meetings, success ! Hit the lottery, and this, wow !
Who is Wilking Rodriguez? He hasn’t pitched since 2015.
Been pitching in Mexico. He’s 32
Thank you.
I’ve been Wilking and plowin’ so long that even Ezekiel thinks that my mind is gone.
He’s 32. The Yankees signed him last August, but he didn’t pitch in their system before the end of the year. As someone else noted, he pitched in Mexico last year. The Cards taking him means they must have been scouting him as the Yankees were in Mexico, and figured this was a second opportunity to grab him. Maybe the Yankees purposely didn’t have him pitch hoping he’d slip through the Rule 5, or maybe he didn’t sign until late August. Both teams must have seen something believing he can help in 2023.
Definitely an unusual pick for the Rule 5.
how many rounds is it, I might’ve overlooked
As many as needed, once you pass you are done. Only one round this year
Good lord..Jose Lopez: 59.1 innings, 35 bb, 95ks..What in the Ricky Vaughn is going on here?
Tigers took Rangers RH Englert. Drafted in 4th round in 2018 but has only pitched in ’21 and ’22.. 199 innings since high school. I can see why 2020 wasn’t played, but why not ’19? Did he have TJ surgery right out of high school?
He’s 23 yrs. old with only 199 professional innings. The only stat that jumped out for me was the 1.089 WHIP.
Tigers can use him as a swing guy. Sort of replace Tyler Alexander’s role and let Alexander concentrate on starting.
I’m intrigued.
He had TJ surgery in 2019. He was dominant at times in High A this year and reached AA to end the season. There’s mid rotation potential lurking there. From the Rangers’ perspective, leaving him unprotected was idiocy. The left him exposed yet held onto the hot garbage that is AJ Alexy, Josh Sborz , and John King. They held onto Eli White – who couldn’t hit .200 off of a pitching machine. I thought Daniels’ well earned firing would correct some of this nonsense, but stupidity remains.
Phillies draft Noah Song from the Red Sox. An interesting prospect who has been in the Navy the last few years. He’s talented but raw. He’d have to have an amazing Spring Training for the Phillies to hold a spot on the roster for him.
He probably won’t even be around for spring training.
I don’t see how Noah Song would even make the ML roster let alone stick on it for an entire season. His only professional work has been at short season A ball, and that was 2 years ago. Even if he continued to pitch and work out while in Navy flight school, I don’t see how he can jump 4 levels with no professional development over the last two seasons.
If the Navy does not allow him to leave, the Phils can put him on the restricted list but I believe his Rule V requirements would just be deferred for one year. He’d have to stay on the 2024 Phil’s roster for the entire year or be offered back to Boston. I love his talent but it’s quite a leap to think he can make the major league roster with such limited experience and so much time off from professional baseball.
Pedro Martinez just got selected in the AAA phase. Red Sox fans cry out in pain.
Elated to land Song. I hope he’s not headed elsewhere.
So what I don’t understand is why the Phillies can draft Song and not have to put him on the 40 man and he can be placed on a special restricted list or did Bloom and Boston just screw up and not put him on the restricted list?
His service time clock would have started if they did that. Boston wasn’t willing to lose team control years over him if he ever comes back, but the Phillies took the gamble
I guess I just didn’t understand the rule but still if I’m Boston I would of put him on the restricted list to avoid this happening. I am somewhat disappointed but I’m also surprised he didn’t get the waiver already perhaps the military isn’t letting him go early.
Bruin, he tried when he was drafted and got turned down, had to report through flight school.
Now he finished training and is to be assigned to duty, he filed another waiver in ’22 awaiting decision.
GA Sox fan you was very aware of that. What I wasn’t aware of was that you could put him on restriction and could avoid exposing him to the rule 5. I think it was a mistake not to start his clock now and protect him from the rule 5. It might be a moot point because if he doesn’t get a waiver then he will be 30 or 31 when he has completed his service time I believe it’s 6 years. DD pulled of a great move here.
Agree on DDs great move.
Depending on Song, there ARE ways now to get out of the service, it’s the Aaron Rodgers approach.
Sox don’t care that much about guys being vaccinated or not as they’ve allowed multiple MLB players to skip it and be ineligible in Toronto.
But, now that he isn’t in flight school and is going into active service, the policy remains no shot, no shooting. He’d likely be out this year.
3 pitchers selected from Red Sox yet their pitching was a disaster last year. Strange.
Right?
Nothing lost, nothing gained for the Halos.
Shows a decent MLB roster and a thin minor league one. As if we didn’t already know.
The cubs took Jose Aquino from the Mariners. Why does it say they passed?
I see Jose Hernandez is attempting a comeback. He’s 53 but good for him
different Jose Hernández, Logjammer. this one’s 24
It’s a good thing we keep you around to tell us stuff like that. Otherwise only everyone would know.
No one “ keeps “ me around but thanks anyway
CWS got a good RP in Avila, good AA numbers, like Enright too, the Marlins pick, and the Noda, all could stick this year.
I was thinking the same about Avila. Not sure why he was left unprotected. I’ve heard because he’s a bit older (25), but still. Seems like a lot of talent that they’re giving up for practically nothing.
Good pick up for the pirates. live pen arms is an important thing they need and easier to hide away on the roster if they choose to keep him through the season.
NOAH SONG PICK:
From Scott Lauber:
Interesting pick by #Phillies in Rule 5 Draft: RHP Noah Song, a Red Sox draft pick during Dombrowski’s time there. Song is a Naval Academy grad and doing his active service. He won’t count against 40-man roster or be subject to Rule 5 regulations until his service is completed.
White Sox are going to have DHs & relief pitchers playing OF.
Good, Heriberto Hernandez staying with the Rays, I still hope he can become that solid hitter everyone thought he would be. Not a lot of activity here, interesting. There are always some diamonds in the rule five rough.
Sure seemed like the Pirates lost quite a few minor leaguers. Same with Giants.
Wow! Blake Sabol had a great season in 2022 between AA-AAA for the Pirates. Now he’s with the Reds. That stinks. Oh well, you can’t protect all of them.
Bucs also have around 5 or 6 other guys with almost the same skill sets as OF prospects at the moment. Like you said, can’t protect all of them.
Given how putrid the Reds OF was last season, Sabol could be starting for them out of spring training.
Sabol has since been traded to the Giants
Alrighty then
Pirates lost 12 between the AAA rounds and Major League portion of the draft. Yikes.
That Noda kids minor league line is intriguing as hell.
Here’s the Minor League Phase (through round 3):
Minor League phase
Round 1
A’s — RHP Joelvis Del Rosario, from PIT
Pirates — RHP Wei-Chieh Huang, from SF
Reds — RHP Kyle Glogoski, from PHI
Royals — SS Shervyen Newton, from PHI
Tigers — RHP Layne Henderson, from HOU
Rockies — LHP Eli Lingos, from CLE
Marlins — 3B Dane Myers, from DET
Angels — C Ronaldo Flores, from SF
D-backs — RHP Taylor Rashi, from SF
Cubs — LHP Jose Aquino, from SEA
Twins — OF Armani Smith, from SF
Red Sox — LHP Joe Jacques, from PIT
White Sox — RHP Ernesto Jaquez, from HOU
Orioles — RHP Alfred Vega, from NYY
Brewers — 2B Isaac Collins, from COL
Rays — RHP Hector Perez, from BAL
Phillies — SS Pedro Martinez, from TB
Padres — 3B Evan Mendoza, from STL
Mariners — 1B Francisco Tostado, from SF
Guardians — RHP Bradley Hanner, from MIN
Blue Jays — C Kekai Rios, from LAD
Cardinals — C Jose Alvarez, from HOU
Yankees — LHP Pablo Mujica, from KC
Mets — RHP Wilkin Ramos, from PIT
Braves — RHP Domingo Gonzalez, from PIT
Astros — LHP Max Roberts, from SEA
Dodgers — RHP Yon Castro, from NYY
Round 2
Pirates — OF Joshua Palacios, from WSH
Reds — RHP Brooks Crawford, from SF
Rockies — RHP Nicholas Kuzia, from DET
Marlins — RHP Austin Roberts, from PIT
Angels — OF Jared Oliva, from PIT
D-backs — RHP Denny Larrondo, from NYY
Cubs — RHP Nick Burdi, from SD
Twins — SS Yohander Martinez, from HOU
Red Sox — RHP Ryan Miller, from NYY
Orioles — LHP Trey McGough, from PIT
Rays — RHP Enmanuel Mejia, from PIT
Phillies — RHP Yoniel Ramirez, from SF
Mariners — SS Logan Warmoth, from TOR
Guardians — C Michael Berglund, from TB
Cardinals — RHP Brandon Komar, from SD
Mets — OF Agustin Ruiz, from SD
Astros — LHP Bryan King, from CHC
Dodgers — RHP Carlo Reyes, from PHI
Round 3
Marlins — RHP Cristian Charle, from PIT
Angels — SS Riley Unroe, from SEA
D-backs — RHP Peter Solomon, from PIT
Cubs — OF Jefferson Encarnacion, from PHI
Twins — INF Yoyner Fajardo, from PIT
Orioles — C Randy Florentino, from TEX
Rays — RHP Nelson Alvarez, from NYY
Phillies — RHP Zach Linginfelter, from LAA
Guardians — RHP Justin Lewis, from ARI
Cardinals — RHP Jose Martinez, from LAD
Mets — 2B Jonathan Arauz, from BAL
Astros — RHP Manuel Urias, from PHI
Dodgers — OF Josh Stowers, from TEX
11 guys drafted from the Pirates just in the minor league phase? Isn’t that the opposite of what is supposed to happen when you rebuild?
just what I was thinking, giants lost around 7 as well.
Not necessarily. Rebuilding teams end up with more interesting arms to lose than other teams. Simply can’t protect everyone or promote everyone on the fringe.
And sadly keeps small market teams in constant rebuild.
Screw the fans of Pittsburgh. You suffer, draft quality talent, train talent, lose talent. Circle of life.
When management manipulates service time at the major league level, it all trickles down throughout the minors, hence the logjam.
Round 4
Angels — RHP Willian Suarez, from SF
Twins — RHP Seth Nordlin, from TEX
Phillies — SS Cameron Cannon, from BOS
Cardinals — RHP Ryan Shreve, from MIN
Mets — SS Mateo Gil, from COL
Astros — LHP Luis Rodriguez, from CHC
Round 5
Phillies — RHP Trey Cobb, from NYM
Round 6
Phillies — C Cody Roberts, from BAL
Round 7
Phillies — INF Oliver Dunn, from NYY
Mateo Gil was one of the Arenado Five that the Rockies got from the Cardinals. And they lost him in round 4 of the AAA rule 5 draft. If anyone wasn’t sure that was a bad deal before…
Wow. Been a baseball fan my entire 34 years and never knew about the “minor league” phase of the rule 5 draft, or at least haven’t been reminded of it for many years. Great info man. I’ve had a blast going over these guys the last 1/2 hour or so. That Tostada kid we got from the G Men looks interesting!
*Tostado
Hate to lose Sabol.
I am so encouraged to know that all 30 MLB teams are so jammed with talent on their 40 Man rosters that only HALF of them even bothered to make a selection in Round One and that all 30 PASSED in Round Two. This only highlights the overwhelming need for a revamping of the Rule 5 draft in general and an update and increase to the antiquated 40 man roster limit.
Increase to 40man limit would have the inverse effect. Teams would protect their next best exposed prospects and you’d wind up with fewer eligible draftees that have mlb-ready talent.
If you want to increase rule 5 picks you lower the 40man limit so less guys are protected.
If you want to increase rule 5 draft success. Make the ML roster 28 and the 40 man a 41 man.
Guys will then make it. Spread more wealth around to more guys too.
I don’t think the rule 5 is terribly broken how it is though. It’s for a select few players who don’t get opportunities in their current orgs.
I’d say, due to all the injuries at the MLB level and all the shuttling of players from the minors to MLB, along with a plethora of DFA to clear 40 man roster space so players not on the 40 man can be brought up to the majors to cover for injuries that the MLB rosters should be 30 and the team roster limits set at 45. There are ways to still tweak those limits and player availability with respect to using factors such as timing = After the end of the WS but before the rule 5, not having rule 5 players count until the season begins, MLB roster limits fluctuate as the season progresses, and lower revenue teams have a higher “40 man” roster limit since they are more reliant on building from within and/or 40 man roster limit reductions based on free agents (based on the compensation level for those players signed) that are signed to the roster with reform of the current IL system – just because the season ends, doesn’t mean players stop being injured, so subject to periodic independent review by qualified medical professionals, players remain on the IL until such time that they can resume baseball activities (subject to a specific definition of what that means).
Hi @Darragh – is Wilking Rodriguez the correct person? Link to stats show he last pitched in 2015.
Yes. He pitched in Mexico the last 3 seasons.
Thanks DarkSide – I guess he was international the 3/4 years before that too??
That I don’t know. All I know is he missed most of 2015 suspended, signed in Mexico in 2020 (league didn’t play that year, but still), but nothing BBREF has in between. I would wonder if he was playing in Venezuela – BBREF does not have their stats.
Noda is an interesting pick for the A’s. Power guy and they have 1B/DH AB’s to give.
Disappointed the Tigers skipped Noah Song.
Kinda gives me pause to see winning teams like the Dodgers be more active in the minor league phase. It’s cost money to pick so I suppose you have to be confident in the selections.
Notice the Phillies…..are still picking people. I think they want to win and are utilizing every possible scrap to do it with.
I hate to say it… The Dom at work….
I’d like to see a trade for Song.
How is Wilking Rodriquez still the property of the Yankess? Apparently hasnt pitched professionally since 2014. He is, however, from Contreras’ home town of Puerto Caballo VZ. Some connection there?
Rodriguez inked a minor-league deal with the Yankees in August but didn’t pitch in the organization in 2022 before being grabbed by the Cardinals. The 32-year-old hasn’t been in affiliated baseball since 2015, when he covered 10.2 innings at the Triple-A level. The 32-year-old most recently worked in the Mexican League over the summer and had a 2.01 ERA and 73:13 K:BB across 44.2 innings.
I wonder if a few clubs didn’t realize Song was eligible.
A’s picked up Del Rosario?! That’s a freebie wow!!
Nic Enright. I guess he’ll be the Marlins Closer after Floro has 7 blown saves in April.
thinking the same thing…
Red Sox and Dodgers had 3 players taken and the Guardians 2. That is a sign of a good farm system.
In the 90’s the pirates had 5 guys picked one year and it wasn’t because they had a strong system. THe GM at the time, Dave Littlefield just left a bunch of guys unprotected including Jose Bautista.
Or it is a sign of piss poor planning.
it’s because they don’t have enough slots for all their good prospects & field their best major league team.
They won’t lose all of the guys taken. Might not even lose 1
One pick and the rangers could have had Englert back (I’m sure it doesn’t work that way). But he is no joke, if you’re not worried about a game or 2 in the standings, which is easier said and done in like August when the writing is on the wall, keep him on your roster.
Your links to Baseball America never work and I’m a BA subscriber! Can you fix this please?
The Reds picked up there favorite kind of player. Trash to be named later.
The Rangers protected some poor middle infielders and pitchers instead of Englert. Now, the best the Rangers can do is hope he does poorly enough to be returned. This is rather sad.
Bloom left Thad Ward out there and he was quickly snagged up by the Nats…Yall got a good one there. Best of luck to him.
I clearly don’t understand the R5. There were a bunch of players I thought might get picked and then the ones that actually did mostly came out of nowhere.
Wilking Rodriguez. Holy moly!! He’s 32! Awesome for him. Feel like he’s 52