9:34PM: Julian McWilliams of the Boston Globe has some updates on the pitching search, citing right-hander Tommy Kahnle as a target for the Red Sox bullpen. The Sox haven’t made much progress in recent talks with Eovaldi, and while the Red Sox are known to have interest in Kodai Senga, the Japanese star hasn’t yet visited Boston while making the rounds to visit other teams.
On the hitting front, Abreu was offered a three-year deal “in the low- to mid-$40MM range,” well below the three years and $59.5MM Abreu received from Houston.
6:47PM: Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom spoke with the Boston Globe’s Alex Speier (Twitter thread) and other reporters today at the Winter Meetings, outlining his team’s extensive plans for the rest of the offseason. Chris Martin and Joely Rodriguez represent Boston’s most notable additions thus far, and Bloom said the Sox could yet add at least two more relievers to augment the bullpen.
All in all, Bloom said the team wanted to add “seven, eight, nine” players to “build the team we want to have.” This list includes three or four position players, as well as at least one starting pitcher who can bring “upside, leadership, and consistency” to the rotation, as well as innings.
On paper, it looks like the Red Sox are aiming for a repeat of their first three offseasons under Bloom’s leadership, which saw the club made a wide array of moves big and small to shuffle up the roster. This semi-overhaul added both everyday players and more complementary parts to the roster, with a general focus in acquiring controllable players and veterans on shorter-term contracts — with the major exception of Trevor Story, and his six-year, $140MM pact from last March.
Bloom’s tactics have drawn a mixed reaction at best from Red Sox Nation, as the team’s last three seasons have consisted of one trip to the ALCS (in 2021) and two last-place finishes (2020 and 2022) in the AL East. Several of Bloom’s less-heralded moves have panned out, but several have also not borne fruit, and Boston’s relative lack of spending on big-ticket players has also drawn criticism given the team’s traditional large-market ways. The Red Sox have remained at least a top-10 payroll team over Bloom’s three seasons and even exceeded the luxury tax line last year, though many of the team’s biggest expenditures were signed before Bloom joined the organization.
The Red Sox have quite a bit of money coming off the books this winter, of course, with Xander Bogaerts being the club’s most prominent free agent. Reports from the weekend indicated that the Sox weren’t one of the primary members of Bogaerts’ market, and that the Red Sox had yet to make “a competitive offer” to the shortstop.
Bloom pushed back against that speculation today, saying “have certainly made offers to him, we’ve been engaged, and we’ll stay engaged.” Bogaerts is still a chief priority for the Red Sox, though Bloom expected the shortstop to check out all of his options in his first trip to free agency.
Re-signing Bogaerts and solidifying the shortstop position for years to come would naturally have a big impacton Boston’s plans to remake its position-player mix. Bloom noted that Story or Enrique Hernandez could potentially take over at shortstop if Bogaerts departed, but if he stayed, Story would likely remain at second base and Hernandez could bounce around the diamond, perhaps primarily staying in center field.
Story and Hernandez figure to play everyday roles somewhere, and Rafael Devers has third base covered and Alex Verdugo will get regular work at one or both of the corner outfield spots. However, there’s quite of bit of flux elsewhere around the diamond and quite a bit more opportunity to add new faces, depending on how much playing time the Red Sox want to give to such younger players as Triston Casas, Jarren Duran, or Jeter Downs. For instance, the Sox technically have plenty of first base/DH candidates in Casas, Bobby Dalbec, and Eric Hosmer, but the team still made a big push to sign Jose Abreu before Abreu decided to join the Astros.
Pursuing Abreu would seem to indicate a greater willingness to spend on the front office’s part. A very big contract will obviously be necessary to re-sign Bogaerts, and bringing Nathan Eovaldi back will likely also require a healthy multi-year commitment. Bloom said that incumbent free agents Eovaldi and Michael Wacha were both still possibilities as the team explores the pitching market.
Samuel
Open the cages!
Let the animals out!
Hide the women and children !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seven….Eight…NINE players?!???? Well I like the cut of his jib…He talks the talk. Most teams won’t even admit to needing to add almost a dozen guys. You hearing this Perry??
Big whiffa
He got cut off and didn’t get a chance to finish his sentence…..”7,8,9 dudes you have never heard of” is whole of it
GASoxFan
You contrast the ‘latest on arron judge’ quotes from cashman with what bloom said about Bogey.
One guy is lying through his teeth, or, at least trying to twist truths, and, it isn’t the lines about Judge.
Chaim doesn’t even come across as believable.
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – With Bloom it’s not his nose that grows, it’s his chin.
But I hafta say this was a truly great article by Mark. He nailed it in so many ways.
1) No progress with Eovaldi
2) Sox are not one of the teams that Senga has visited
3) Sox made an offer well below what Abreu got from Houston
4) Lack of spending on big ticket expenditures
5) This year’s payroll was deceiving because much of it was inherited
6) No legit offers to Xander
Bloom is the guy that goes to the supermarket and has no concept of today’s prices. Rather than pay for Charmin, he buys a generic single-ply toilet paper instead.
GASoxFan
Actually, I think I was in the supermarket with bloom one day.
True story: we were in the soda aisle when we overheard an argument between a male voice and a female voice.
Male voice said “You know, we could save a lot of money if you would just use both sides of the toilet paper. I don’t understand why people insist on just using one side before throwing it in the toilet.”
Now, that was back in the late 90s/early 2000s but i swear it must’ve been Chaim. It was coming from the next aisle over though where they sold the TP so I never saw what they looked like. Sounds like his kind of idea. True story though.
SoxFanSince1994
You’re not smart.
thecoffinnail
Close but it’s actually “7,8,9 players you haven’t heard of in quite awhile.” “We are currently engaging in contract negotiations with Rob Refsnyder and Matt Harvey.” “We expect to welcome both to Red Sox Nation very soon.”
redsox for_life
Why is so long? Take Haniger 40/3 years! Bogarts 170/6! Rondon 125/5! Lugo and trade Verdugo/ Dalbec for Reynold
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Hahahaha Redsox4life is a man with a plan!
Fever Pitch Guy
Trumbo – “Why is so long?” ….. I hear that a lot!
Rking
I don’t think that would get Reynolds.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rking – Nor would $170M get “Bogarts”.
Lloyd Emerson
Who is Rondon?
For Love of the Game
Hector? Bruce? Maybe he means Carlos Rodon?
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Tony 2 Bags
rememberthecoop
Verdugo and Dalbec wouldn’t even sniff Reynold’s shorts, much less wear them. Whatever the hell that means haha
Fever Pitch Guy
coop – I agree on Dalbec, but I do think Verdugo is crazy enough to sniff them.
aroid95
Those numbers/packages get none of those things done.
Is this Chaim using an alias?!?
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Hahahahahaha
GASoxFan
Aroid95 – can’t possibly be chaim. There was a clearly articulated blueprint, not an ADD riddled series of conflicting/contradictory moves that don’t make sense.
tstats
It would probably get Haniger
Fg-3
The crazy thing is Devers is 25.. it feels like he’s been a pain in the Yankees ass for years. I honestly hope for the Red Sox to continue the dumb ass ways they’ve been going down. He’ll look great in pinstripes
senior52
Dumb ass ways could describe the Yankees lately.
TheDogDays
Dumb ass ways would be last…. Not first.
soxshortstop
Chaim better start thinking of the “now – Bogaerts” and not-so-much the “future – Marcelo Mayer” because one more last place finish, and Chaim won’t have to worry about his future…in Boston.
HotDogWater
I really think they need to make a play for Sean Murphy. Just think of how much revenue it would generate when every guy in Boston named Sean Murphy buys the jersey.
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HotDogWater in the lead!!!!!
Fever Pitch Guy
Trumbo – I’d still be wearing my “Ho You Fat” basketball jersey.
And yes, he’s a legit professional basketball player!
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ellisburks
Well played. There would be no limit to their budget if that happened.
GASoxFan
Only works for 6 months. Then chaim will flip him for a pair of lottery ticket prospects and 2 bad contracts
padam
Sean ‘Drop Kick’ Murphy. I can see it now.
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That’s it I’m putting on The Departed!
GASoxFan
Can we compromise and just make Chaim departed?
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Haha I am not a Sox fan so I’ll just try and mind my business…
GASoxFan
You don’t need to be a Sox fan to be engaged or curious about the dysfunction in Boston the last 3+ years now.
It’s like a train wreck or traffic accident. You know it’s bad, but, you slow down to take a look anyways.
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – It does feel like the team is descending back to 2014-2015 levels, doesn’t it? The similarities are endless.
For example, in 2014 it started with the Red Sox lowballing Lester. In 2022 it started with the Red Sox lowballing Xander.
I just hope this time John Henry realizes the error of his ways as quickly as he did in 2015.
darrick
He doesn’t want Bogaerts but he needs to look like he is trying. After Bogey signs, he extends Devers for 11/300.
Then he makes a trade for Daulton Varsho – risky and pricey. Gives us a corner OF and shores up back up Catcher position.
Brings back Vazquez, Eovaldi and Wacha.
Signs Taillon and Jose Iglesias.
dirty617water
If Turner just got 11/300, Devers is going to want more. He initially was asking around $300mm. Turner just raised everyone’s asking prices. Correra 400mm, X 350mm, Devers now worth 400mm. Same goes for Jduge.
holycowdude
I don’t think X gets more than Turner. And i also don’t think Correa gets 400mil. Dodgers will likely make a splash at winter meetings now that they’ve missed out on Verlander, and i think it’ll be Dansby. I’m hoping he stays in ATL, but i bet Freddie is doing his best recruiting job right now to bring him to the left coast.
rememberthecoop
Dbacks aren’t trading Varsho. They will likely move an outfielder, but it most certainly won’t be him. He’s a stud and they know it.
yewed
So, you’re basically trading Bogaerts for Varsho and adding Taillon. Less the prospects.
This makes the team better than last season?
highheat
The problem is what you’d have to give up for Varsho; as going by Baseball Trade Values to acquire Varsho alone would require a package akin to: Marcelo Mayer, Tanner Houck, and an additional live arm project close to MLB like Jacob Wallace.
I’m not sure the Red Sox offer anything approaching that without also signing Correa, but I also think that package might entice the DBacks enough to pull the trigger.
I can personally see the appeal of a bullpen of: Houck, Mantiply, Ginkel, Nelson, Castro, Martin, Melancon, and one more signing or the winner of a ST battle or mid-season debut of Bukauskas, Vargas, Martinez, or Wallace.
Not to mention the prospect of having an affordable core of Carroll, Lawler, Mayer, Thomas, McCarthy, and Jones (only if he can complete an accelerated timeline). That’s the makings of a Squad right there.
websoulsurfer
I found that interview interesting. At no point did Bloom say that the Red Sox had made an offer to Bogaerts this offseason.
He was asked several times to clarify his statement that they had made offers to Bogaerts. He never once came out and said that they had. He just said that they were “engaged with him”.
I found his dancing around that question telling.
bosoxer1946
Small Market Bloom is out of his element. Letting Bogie sign elsewhere will show other free agents that the Sox have no loyalty to franchise mainstays. Abreu gets it.
yewed
What? Do you actually think that free agents care abut franchise mainstays?
The only thing Abreu gets is the best way to cash his checks..
all in the suit that you wear
I would rather have Mayer at SS in two years than a declining Bogaerts. Take Bogaerts $30M per year and invest it in pitching.
B-Strong
That’s assuming Mayer pans out as expected, and is ready in 2 years.
GASoxFan
FA pitching is very expensive and usually pretty risky with a bunch of declining years as cost of business, or, an overpay of $35m+/yr short term these days.
You’re almost better off keeping Bogey and using Mayer to headline a package for top end young controllable/mlb ready SP. I’m looking at you Miami.
Randy Red Sox
you mean to let Bloom use that money to sign the next James Paxton who has put the Sox over the cap and means we get a 4th rd comp pick rather than a 1st rd pick if XB signs elsewhere?
yewed
That may be accurate or not. If they have or haven’t made an offer can be telling but in different ways.
If Bogaerts people told Bloom that they would have a chance to beat the proposal then it makes sense why they haven’t made a new offer. Why bid against yourself?
:” A competitive offer” is a loaded response, Competitive to the actual market or competitive to what you offered before? It goes both ways.
Sox had their chance to lock X up over the last few seasons. They didn’t do it and will now pay the price whether they sign him or not.
BaseballisLife
Does that mean they haven’t made an offer? Seems like that would be PR suicide not to at least make an offer in that market.
Red Sox fans are crazy. I live with one. My wife said, and I sort of quote, “I will kill that $%^^# if he loses Bogey without even making an offer”.
yewed
LOL, no doubt Sox fans are crazy. Based on what I know, I may love your wife!
There are also different levels of fans. Fans that lived most of their life through the drought and fans that haven’t . There is a difference.
Not that one is better than the other but there is a difference in expectations.
As far as the offer goes it doesn’t mean much. Sox obliviously made an offer at some point. We’re way past that. The question that remains is whether the Sox will have the chance to make one final offer.
Based on what I know they haven’t made a serious offer to him. I’ve been saying this for a couple years.
GASoxFan
You know what polar-opposite of Dewey, I’d say there’s 4 rough levels/groupings of fans:
Drought A: lived the drought years. See what ownership was capable of pre-bloom and know revenue only keeps increasing. Don’t want to return to austerity drought years.
Drought B: lived the drought years. Say a couple bad bloom years doesn’t compare.
Non-drought A: have known nothing but regularly competitive squads, or, ones that should’ve been but were snake bit. Expect excellence since it’s all they knew.
Non-drought B: the kool-aid drinkers who buy the inconsistent party line chaim and company throw out in interviews. Also blindly believe in what their government tells them they should want because they don’t know better. We can call them the lemmings.
baseballteam
Chaim, don’t do it, please resist the temptation…please…
SteveZ
Talk is cheap. The proof will be the team the Red Sox put on the field. I’m trying to keep my expectations low.
GASoxFan
Your expectations are still too high. Think Pirates level with another bloom offseason in the works.
Yankee Clipper
I love the generic descriptions of their desired starting pitcher: “upside, leadership, and consistency”
You can’t get any more subjective or open than that. That could be anyone from Nolan Ryan to my son. Heck, it doesn’t even say he has to be good, just consistent.
GASoxFan
He’s describing Paxton who is already coming back on the player option.
30 Parks
Exactly, Clipper – Bloom knows how to ‘say nothing’ the right way. My favourite remains “build the farm system,” as if that’s a groundbreaking concept. If that is Bloom’s focus (defensive position), why didn’t Bloom trade Eovaldi & Martinez at the deadline for more of his prized prospects? Why not trade XB for a prospect haul since there is no evidence he’s a “priority” signing at all? “Build the farm system” – right.
Bloom has no plan. You know what I like in a GM? “Upside, leadership, and consistency.”
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
7, 8, or 9 players, let’s see…
Rich Hill, Corey Kluber, Jose Iglesias, JD Martinez… what other free agents won’t make this team any better? I was so pumped to get Bloom for this team, I regret it more and more every day and every move he doesn’t make
JeffreyChungus
Boston’s FO hardly leaks anything. Last offseason, the only two sources of legit Red Sox leaks were the former hitting coach’s son and a youtuber who had about 40k subscribers. The Passans and Rosenthals of the world were leaking fake info from agents trying to drive their clients’ salaries up by connecting them to a big spending team (Baez was the biggest example.)
Chaim’s statements could mean a Correa signing tomorrow or a bunch of spare parts in early February. Who knows
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Keep spreading the good word Fletch! Fletch lives!!!
all in the suit that you wear
Fletch: Exactly. There was no leak of the Rodriguez and Martin signings. There was no leak of who they were targeting in the draft. People had them drafting a college outfielder and they drafted a high school shortstop.
stymeedone
No one expected the SS to still be there when they got to pick. There was always interest in the players that were expected to be off the board already.
all in the suit that you wear
Stymeed: I am talking abo HS SS Mikey Romero drafted toward the end of the first round this year. Are you talking about him or HS SS Marcelo Mayer drafted 4th overall last year? If you are talking about Mayer, I agree, but I was not using him as an example.
JeffreyChungus
Mikey was seen as an early-to-mid second rounder. He wasn’t in the top-50 of BA, MLB, or PG’s top draft prospects and he signed for nearly 700k under slot. Good pick though. Early reports are positive on his hit tool
all in the suit that you wear
Fletch: Agreed. I like Mikey Romero a lot.
JoeBrady
Boston’s FO hardly leaks anything.
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I doubt most FO’s leak real information. I presume they’ll leak disinformation, but if fans think that Cashman is really telling reporters what he’s doing, then I am inviting those fans to my poker game.
JeffreyChungus
You do realize front offices employ hundreds of people, right?
Fever Pitch Guy
Fletcher – Exactly, I can attest it’s not that hard to come across information if you’re in the right place at the right time. Even just walking by a front office guy talking on his cell phone can be revealing.
Joe is quite naive to think the only way you can get information is by speaking directly to the CBO.
Randy Red Sox
expect the latter
Thec’s
We are the new Tampa bay Rays! Yes you may make the playoffs with odds and ends but the good teams have least two studs that rise to the occasion! Sign Deavers! This market has a lot suspect parts that ready to break! Boston is not an easy place to play! If you can find players that do then lock them up long term!
FenwayFanatic
Stop Talking
Start Doing
GASoxFan
Not sure which path scares me more. Chaim doing nothing means FA walk. Chaim doing chaim things means the club gets worse than the year before…
Jon M
Red Sox Nation loves Chaim Boom
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
We do?
GASoxFan
You mean Yankees Nation loves chaim bloom.
Ga
Bloom will be gone if he stumbles around for another year. You can’t be in the rich Boston market and do cheap “value” deals, have a utility guy suddenly be forced to be your RF because you traded your productive guy for nothing to save a few bucks, get no useful arms for your pen for 3 years, trade and let walk your star players and replace them with AAA guys, bungle the roster so you end up in last place and not trade guys who walk while your team stays over the LT because you failed to move a few million, and expect to keep your job when even the front office staff around you whisper about what a disorganized fool you are. Tick, tick, Bloom!
Randy Red Sox
you pretty much nailed it 100%
Thomar
In Bloom we trust ( said no one)
Thec’s
Can’t blame Bloom for everything! John Henry has the final say and think he is still in Miami! Stars get signed if the owner says”Make it happen!”! We had to overpay for FA’s in the past! Now it’s going to be even harder!
Rking
You can blame Bloom for managing to just stay over the luxury tax with a last place team despite every opportunity to duck below it. Draft and international signing penalties come with that. The JBJ trade was ridiculously bad and a fireable offense.
GASoxFan
Don’t forget QO compensation losses, and, QO FA signing penalties.
FenwayFanatic
Since when have we ever trusted Bloom?
Thomar
Don’t get the Patriots reference eh?
teachdad46
The more he talks the less I know what he’s up to. I think that might be a good thing but it feels….shaky. at best; dishonest at worst. Disingenuous may be it…
GASoxFan
I think ‘scary’ is the word you may be looking for
thickiedon
Kluber, Hill, Bellinger, Iglesias, Barnhart, and assorted castoffs
BeansforJesus
Jeter Downs needs to learn how to hit AAA pitching first.
Randy Red Sox
AA for that matter
FenwayFanatic
Honestly, I don’t think we should resign Bogaerts. Marcelo Mayer is coming in a couple of years and by then if we still have Devers, he will probably be the Designated Hitter. We need to extend Devers fast and then we need to add or trade for an outfielder or two, a catcher, and an Ace or two. It time to see if Bloom will spend or trade his so precious prospects.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
Lose Xander for 4th round pick? They should’ve just traded him at the deadline to get prospects back
FenwayFanatic
Is it really a 4th round pick? Thought it was more.
GASoxFan
Only a single 4th rounder. Same for eovaldi if he leaves too.
Assuming both left, it could’ve been 2 picks at the tail end of comp b round (basically 2nd rounders) PLUS 2 more picks in the 5th.
And, as said before and elsewhere, you’ve got your normal penalties for being a repeat offender on the cbt vis a vis signings you make to QO FAs and in the international pools…
Randy Red Sox
and JD too. we will be loaded with picks after the 4th rd. brilliant that Chaim Bloom
GASoxFan
Randy, AFAIK there was no QO extended to JDM.
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – Right you are, no QO to JD.
holecamels35
I really don’t know how he still has a job there. Seems to very rarely make a good move, signs nothing but rejects, and the team is basically getting worse.
FenwayFanatic
Bloom has only made one good move since he came and that is picking up Whitlock. The Renfroe trade was a gigantic bust, Betts trade gave us nothing but Dugie, and in the Ronaldo Hernandez trade we got fleeced out of a good reliever we needed.
Jack Buckley
Red Sox are screwed, definitely will finish last in the AL East, Baltimore is good.
kingbum
Baltimore definitely has the better GM
One Niner
When did the Pittsburgh Pirates move to Boston? They will let another high character, home grown, superstar leave for nothing. All the other top teams are fortifying their rosters for another run and the Sawx will be in the basement again. Big market team acting like they’re little league!
Fever Pitch Guy
One Niner – Ironically, the answer to your question is in your handle.
2019, that was the turning point. That’s when the Red Sox became the Pirates.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Bloom may or may not have a plan. I can’t fully read him and I’m willing to see how he does planning this off-season, but one thing is for sure: Bloom and consistency do not belong in the same sentence.
Thomar
Kahnle? Great, damaged goods. Nice fit
BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?
Red Sox fans are smarter than folks are giving them credit for…..sell it all off and rebuild, with the war chest ready when your ready. No one is cashing in their seats. Do it right, because this group is clearly not going anywhere.
Randy Red Sox
no because thy are saving jH big dollars
piersall55
Extend Devers? When Vogue signs with a real team Fevers will reject the bargain basement offers Henry’s flunky Bloom proposes. Knowing there will be multiple teams offering real money! Henry will reap profits while the Sox become a AAA franchise!
baseballguru
Judge fits! Go get him!
We hit a lousy 155HRs yanks 254! Judge fits! Pay him
spitball
7-8-9 players!!! None of whom you have ever heard of. None who will move the needle one iota! You get rid of 4A players off your 40 man, then you add different 4A players, and you still finish last in AL east. Until Bloom is gone and John Henry either sells the team or sees the light nothing good can happen! Remdog in rolling over! Maybe Henry can move Bloom to Liverpool FC! I’m sure he would be better at managing a soccer club, and he wouldn’t need the amount of Security he’s going to need in Boston this year!
spitball
RedSox Nation! Fan base looking to recruit Boston area Billionaires with an interest in owning MLB franchise! No experience needed! ( we will be glad to tell you what to do at every turn)!
Flapjax55
Let’s win the next offseason!!!! …Not. This roster and this organization is in shambles. Hard to watch this. Don’t develop any pitching whatsoever. The roster is an absolute mess with little upside. There is no light at the end of the tunnel. Bogaerts is going to walk. They will fish around the bottom of the tank and sign one or two guys and act like it’s something to get excited about. And Red Sox Nation don’t be fooled—help is not coming from the farm. Not much of it anyway. This is about as bad as I’ve seen it in 30 years of paying attention. I loathe this front office.
30 Parks
Well said, Flap. Agreed on the farm system. Notice how it’s always the “farm system,” yet none of the Bloom-lovers actually name these can’t miss prospects? Swayed by a thin narrative – there’s lot wrong in Boston.
30 Parks
Bloom has no plan. “Upside” – right.
DBH1969
Honestly, if you are Devers, do you sign back with the Sox?
Devers ’23 is the same story as Zander ’22