Star reliever Edwin Díaz was carted off the field after tonight’s World Baseball Classic contest. The Mets closer threw a perfect inning to save Puerto Rico’s 5-2 win over the Dominican Republic and injured his right knee while the team celebrated its victory on the mound (video provided by Fox Sports MLB). The Mets announced he’s going for further imaging on Thursday.
Díaz was helped off the field by trainers without putting weight on his right leg. He was helped into a wheelchair and taken off the field in a surreal scene, one which turned from jubilation for the Puerto Rican players and fanbase into dismay. Players from both teams were visibly distraught by the injury, with Díaz’s younger brother Alexis Díaz breaking down in tears as Edwin was taken off the field.
Obviously, it’s far too soon to know the extent of the injury. Marly Rivera of ESPN tweets that Díaz was evaluated at the stadium by an on-site orthopedic specialist. Andy Martino of SNY tweets that he also went in for x-rays on Wednesday night.
Needless to say, a serious injury to Díaz would be a massive blow for the Mets. The 28-year-old righty is the sport’s best reliever. He’s coming off one of the greatest relief seasons in recent memory, throwing 62 innings of 1.31 ERA ball while striking out more than half his opponents. The Mets retained him this offseason on a five-year, $102MM contract days before the start of free agency. That marked the largest commitment to a relief pitcher in MLB history.
WBC is the dumbest thing to have right before a season begins. Talk about a season killer
agreed. it’s like the pro bowl before the super bowl. makes no sense.
You do realize that the players from the Super Bowl teams skip the Pro Bowl, right? So that makes your point mute.
Moot. Its a MOOT point.
Mets lost Diaz and Quintana. By the All-Star break, Mets could have more payroll on IL than some teams have on active.
Gonna be tough for them to defend their division crown now. Oh, wait, they didn’t win the division last year either.
Maybe consult a dictionary, “encyclopedia”..? Ok, I apologize for that. 😉
You sure it isn’t Moo? Like a cows opinion..
Moo point, make it a thing!
I cannot mute my laughter.
After a few bars you and the cows could be talking…If so, find out who they are taking in the Indy 500.
Blues Rockers-Calling All Cows
The Cubs are loaded with pitching if your willing to trade an equally good prospect.
A moo point.
Like a cow’s opinion.
The Mets are sooo flawed to begin with , when you’re relying on a 40 and 38 year old starting pitcher to give you 120 + innings a piece
Even if Koda , Cookie , Petey, McGill and a prospect emerge (quintana too)
And gives you 650 + innings it’s not enough
Unless you have some un real bullpen depth, which simply put they do not.
If they stopped paying so much for aging players… the reason the Rays are generally great year to year is that they develop their own talent and have young players that don’t tie up payroll. Very few teams win dependent on the free agent market.
It’s still pointless so it makes your point mute
It wasn’t just their scouting they went through a whole era of misery to stock up on high picks. They didn’t just develop everyone
***MOO point
You should consider changing your name to baseballdictionary
Udder nonsense.
Sorry, had to milk it for what it’s worth.
It’s a MOO point.
It’s a Moo Point.
It’s Like A Cow’s Opinion.
It Doesn’t Matter.
It’s Moo.
According to Joey on Friends, its a Moo point. Duh
WRONG. It’s Moo. It’s like a cow’s opinion, it just doesn’t matter. It’s moo.
I’m going to MOOT all you people
Mets have more banners in 60 years than the Cubs do in what, twice the time?
Oh, but it’s ok because they lead the league in idiot fans who don’t care, because drinking and taking a break from their hedge funds to head down to Wrigley.
I’m a college man now, I won’t need my high school diploma anymore.
yes I am smart, S-M-R-T
supposably it can be either “mute” or “moot”, with “mute” being expecially common in American dialects, to be pacific.
Dumb ass, you mean moot. Diaz should forfeit his salary.
Supposably is not a word. It is supposedly.
Irregardless of whether its a word or not, this thread has gone totally nucular!
@pwndroia I wouldn’t consider a 28 year old reliever an again player though. If this were on a post about Verlander or Scherzer, whom I’m pretty sure you’re referring to, it’d make sense. But I don’t consider Díaz or even Quintana to be that old. By the time their deals expire, both will be in the category, but Díaz is definitely more in his prime than aging.
Diaz is 28 but Quintana is 34 and has been injury prone the last couple years… so I somewhat agree but the Mets still invest in “older” players past their prime.
No, it’s MOOPS. MOOPS, not MOORS!
Except the Indianapolis 500 has been eclipsed by NASCAR in the USA and Formula One everywhere.
Except the Indy 500 has been eclipsed in the USA by NASCAR and in most every country by Formula One.
So they don’t play which takes further credibility from the pro bowl? At least with the all star game it ment the AL got home filed advantage for the world series almost every year because Bud Selig called it tie one year and everyone lost they damn minds?
Yup. Alot of these teams that are now spending big are taking a huge risk by not developing younger cheaper players. Kudos to the Rays.
NASCAR is dying… which is why they removed 100,000 seats from the back stretch at daytona and no longer have a sponsor for the sport itself? It was the Winston Cup for longest time? Tobacco companies are not allowed to be sponsor anymore? Then it became the Sprint Cup, who merged with Nextel and it became the nextel cup? Then nextel either didn’t renew sponsorship or Nascar went with Monster energy who was the last headlining sponsor for the sport… it was so low on revenue they started posting old races to YouTube to help generate cash to keep up with maintenance at these larger tracks they added to the schedule in the early 2000’s over short tracks that were cheaper to maintain and offered better racing, disrupting a loyal fan base who no longer tunes in to see broadcasts of a race they once could watch at the track?
The “mute” option applies here.
Hey goob some words are confusing it’s cool.
It’s a good learning opportunity for anybody out there who is interested also
testing my M-E-T-T-L-E not testing my METAL but I got to say… Black Sabbath rulz!
Well, I know better than to meddle with any of that – you deserve a medal. Homonyms rule!
scott- wooooooosh
Pacific or specifically the Atlantic Ocean ?
On the contrary, the week before the super bowl is the only sensible place for the pro bowl. If it were after, zero people would watch, so it should go wherever in the season that its potential health impacts have the least likelihood of affecting any player or team. In its current placement, 30 out of every 32 players (94%) can pull a hamstring and it does not matter.
Blame the player not the event!
Why would you blame the player?
Because they decide to play and the event means much more than playing for a paycheck.
Blame the team for allowing him to play after signing him to that 100 million contract.
Oh, I don’t know, because he took the actions that led to his injury. You do understand personal responsibility?
Especially in a spring when ballplayers on every club are going down to injury every day.
@iwojimausmc Players could get injured in spring training, and they have.. What’s the difference? Absolutely nothing. In fact, they’re getting better ‘practice’ seeing better pitchers and playing games that mean everything to these players, maybe not some involved, but as far as the Latin American and eg Japan go, they want to win it and it means a lot to them.
Agree that it’s more meaningful to many players but I don’t know if they’re seeing better pitching. Half the teams have world class rosters. The other half are made up of amateur players and hobbyists.
He didn’t need to celebrate to the extent he blew out a knee.
Freak accident. Injuries happen in spring training too. Would you rather it be in the middle of the season when injuries could mean missing the playoffs?
Tough break for him, the Mets and baseball. But the WBC is still great.
No one has ever been hurt in a dog pile celebrating a spring training game. A man who just signed a contract north of 100 million just got hurt celebrating a meaningless game in a meaningless tournament. MLB players in the WBC is a terrible idea.
You couldn’t tell the players that. They care about where they come from and while someone else may be writing their paycheck, you can’t take away their heritage. This is their life and they care about representing. I don’t want anyone to get injured, but it’s baseball. This will happen.
Maybe they should be willing to forfeit their paychecks if they get hurt playing in the WBC..
More players are hurt in spring training than in the WBC. Maybe players should forfeit their paychecks if they are hurt playing in spring training.
It’s called insurance. It’s why Kershaw isn’t pitching in the WBC. Insurance denied him. Diaz is covered or he wouldn’t have been allowed to pay. Money isn’t why they are playing.
It doesn’t matter how he got injured. Players can get injured for any number of reasons.
Ken Griffey Jr hurt his hand playing with his kids. You gonna stop them from playing with their kids next?
He got injured celebrating which quite frankly is extremely rare. You can’t bubble wrap these guys from life when they’re not playing for your team.
It’s a bad break but stop crying. This whole idea the WBC is bad and shouldn’t be happening because someone could get hurt is nonsense.
That game doesn’t mean anything to you, but means a lot to him. That’s why he was on that mound and would do it again.
While I agree that these games are meaningless, it’s the team’s fault for not restricting him from participating in the WBC as a stipulation in his contract.
That’s because there are more players in Spring Training than in the WBC. Your logic says that swimming with sharks is safer than riding in a car because more people get injured in car accidents than shark swimming. Just wrong.
The season means a lot to his Mets teammates and bosses. Now they could be at a major disadvatage because of his decision to play.
20 teams with 32 players is quite a few players in the WBC. Just one serious injury compared to how many in spring training? 50? 60?
They’re only meaningless to you and other people who can’t grasp the concept of national pride
How dare a grown man with a talent matched by 0.0001% of the population feel entitled to showcase that talent, in his only reasonable chance to ever play on a team for his homeland
What a selfish jerk, huh hiflew?
Swimming with sharks and riding in a car is just about the dumbest analogy ever. It’s illogical because it compares two disparate activities. Last time I noticed, guys were involved in the same activity, playing baseball, in both ST and the WBC.
Where did you see me call him selfish or a jerk? You guys just read whatever you want regardless of what is actually there. It’s getting old.
A lot of these arguments are ridiculous. Would you turn down the opportunity to represent your country if that were extremely important to you? This was a fluke occurrence. I’m a Mets’ fan and am devastated this happened but I’m not calling for an end to the WBC.
And so are the Dodgers b/c Gavin Lux blew his knee out hustling toward 3rd in a Spring Training game.
I can see the no cats thing for Mets players but I have no idea if Glavine could’ve taken the subway to wherever from the airport.
espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=1857827
You said the Mets are at a major disadvantage because of his (Diaz’s) decision to play
You may not have typed the word, but you certainly called him selfish to any unbiased reader of your comment who understands English
*cars But cats too, they are after all the Mets.
If the man was celebrating the game, wouldn’t that make it meaningful?
They truly do NOT care that much. It’s all about the money $$$$. Period!
Dumb take.
Many, many times more players play in spring training than play in the WBC. Of course more players are injured in camp. But how many players in camp are hurt jumping on each other after winning an also meaningless game?
Saying it’s meaningless is such an American thing to do.
To the Czech electrician that struck out Ohtani, definitely not meaningless.
The man is being payed 20 million dollars a year to play baseball for the mets. He is a pivotal part of a historically expensive payroll that has now been derailed due to an injury that did not need to happen. Brandon Nimmo choose to sit out the WBC because he felt the focusing on winning the world series is more important. No one needed a WBC to see how good of a Puerto Rican player Roberto Clemente was. No one will remember Diez if he just cut his career short playing in the WBC
Then maybe we should have American electricians playing instead of players that are being paid very highly to do another job.
Just the knowledge that the tourney is pitting the best in the world from one country against electricians from another should tell you how meaningless the thing is.
@hiflew if we had american electricians playing game would take 8 hours if they even get played at all. half the team would be blocking the tunnels from the locker room to the dugout. not to mention every 3 innings there would be the need for a 45 min break
However….riding in cars is way more dangerous than swimming with sharks on any measurable statistic (other than maybe if you were driving in the ocean and swimming on land.
No I said he made a decision. It was YOU that decided his decision was selfish.
Ill remember him as the guy who banked $100M and never pitched a meaningful game again because he got injured while celebrating a WBC game.
Id rather swim with sharks then drive on a Dominican road.
many a mlb player has been hurt celebrating a win.
I could understand if the injury occurred during the game, but injured celebrating as a met when a long term contract was just signed is just comical. What about Cepedes? re injured while playing golf.
Considering you are Mets fan is it perhaps possible you are a little biased? As far as I know this is the first time someone has been seriously injured in this manner in the WBC.
Not celebrating, but it could’ve happened just as easily a number of other ways on a Spring Training field.
It’s also not a meaningless tournament, as it’s basically baseball’s version of the World Cup, and winning a WBC Chapionship means a lot to the players. It’s better than the Olympics precisely *because* it features MLB players.
lol Statistics. They are all lies!
Fans need to realize that these guys play for their MLB organization for 6 months + a year under long term contracts you talk about opportunities but other people basically OWN their entire life they can’t just do whatever they feel like.
It could be the Mets year!
Way to go Metsfan well said.
That was Kevin Millars fault!
OK should Edwin turn his back on his country? Of course not, but how about a little consideration towards the New York Mets?
That paid him $100 million i think they deserve a little consideration!
Dumb take. How many players celebrate winning something that is meaningless to them?
Brandon Nimmo sat out the WBC because the Mets wouldn’t allow him to play. He is still injured. He has 5 PA in camp so far and he didn’t play today.
If there was a WBC tournament in the 1950s to 1970s you can be absolutely certain that Clemente would have played in it.
I would rather swim with sharks than drive on a NYC road.
Philadelphia: I agree with you. I think too many folks are making this a binary decision though. I believe it should be a blend.
I heard/read many solutions/suggestions regarding this issue and I think the two best suggestions are:
1) Move the WBC to November, right after the World Series. This will allow for those guys to be all stretched out ‘ ready to go; but if they do get injured, at least the team has several months to get them healed, and
2) When players get injured playing in the WBC their salary should be taken off the total salary calculation for purposes of the CBT, at minimum. It’s completely unfair that this counts towards the Mets total salary, imho.
Since MLB is pushing team owners to permit players to play, they should also provide incentives or salary relief for players hurt during the WBC. It’s certainly not perfect, but it’s a start.
Honestly Mets Fan Would you rather see Edwin Diaz throw 99 against meaningless AA and quad “A” batters for 1 inning in spring training
Or Set the world on fire by striking out Machado, juan Soto and Miguel Sano in A WBC game ?!?
Honestly..
When you say he shouldn’t be playing since he could have messed up the Mets season you saying he is selfish is kind of implied.
That Electrician struck out Ohtani so he can’t be that bad. I would like to see you do that.
This injury could mean missing playoffs
When was the last time a player injured themselves celebrating a spring training game?
Never. Because spring training games are meaningless so they don’t celebrate winning them.
Winning games while representing your country or heritage means a great deal so they celebrate those wins.
This is the first injury in a celebration in the WBC.
Really, players should never be allowed to celebrate at any time. It ruined Bellingers promising career. And now it’s going to cost Diaz and the Mets. Stop the madness.
Just let them not have personalities then
Don’t forget Kendrys Morales missing almost TWO YEARS after breaking his ankle celebrating a walk-off homer.
Exact issue with Kendrys Morales celebrating at home plate sadly never was the same afterwards.
Mets injuries mounting but this one is the backbreaker.
That huge flushing sound you hear coming out of appropriately named Flushing, NY was the Mets season going down the toilet along with Steve Cohen’s $ 100 MM.
You just could see this injury happening with the WBC I sure did in fact I was not alone in predicting this one. Stupid idea this WBC really.
Liar. You didn’t predict that Diaz would hurt his ankle celebrating a win.
Where were the trumpets? Did anyone hear trumpets?
Must have been playing Taps.
I’m pretty sure that contract has an insurance policy
I remember with Mark Texeira who was injured in a WBC that the WBC includes an insurance policy so Diaz should likewise be covered through the WBC policy workers’ comp.
Unfortunately Kendrys Morales was just blossoming into a star at the time switch hitter with positional flexibility. Of course he was on my Fantasy roster and I could plug him into multiple slots. I had watched him develop and it was really a loss.
No but i predicted that Diaz would be the WBC casualty not the manner of how it would occur nor the severity.
Sure the insurance might pay his salary, but I don’t think people are upset because Steve Cohen is going to have to pay an injured player. I don’t care if Steve Cohen goes bankrupt. Insurance will not provide the other 25 men on that roster with one of the best closers in the game.
Let’s hope that insurance policy is a good closer.
It seems like EVERY Mets fan predicted that Diaz would get hurt after signing that deal. Most Mets fans are just pessimistic by nature.
REALLY! Lets put freakin robots out there. Then no one will ever get hurt.
Even machines eventually break down.
They’re people dude. I mean, if you think they should be complete automatons who’s entire existence is to making your sportsball team the best it can be; idk, that’s on you to work out.
New rule. Any celebrating will result in a 80 game suspension, with no pay.
Yeah, that should protect players.
I agree.
What an incredibly Amerocentric point of view.
Just out of curiosity, what’s wrong with an Amerocentric point of view? So, it seems you’re writing that Diaz is within his rights for holding a PR-centric POV, but the American fan shouldn’t possess the same? If so, I disagree.
It’s a juxtaposition wherein you’re undermining your own argument.
To be clear, I’m not opposed to players participating in the WBC because they receive permission from their employer to do so. Businesses know that injuries can happen, so it’s not the players’ fault, imho.
Not the players fault. Dont they have the final say if they play??
The fact that you’re equating the viewpoints of the PR-born actual baseball player and the American baseball spectator says all we need to know about how you value the opinions of others.
Anericanocentric?
But Isn’t their fortune made in Anerica from the pockets of Americans?
Let’s see how much they’d be paid playing in the Dominican or Curaco year around. BTW those countries are in the Americas as well.
He comes the racist good ol amerikkkan POV no one cares about in 2023 except old racists like yourself.
Are you seriously trying to argue that an individual American spectator has more influence on the money MLB makes than the best closer on earth?
The Americas stretch from Chile to Canada. The US is just one part of the Americas.
Like what? The racism from the rest of the world is somehow better …?
Guys, guys…rennick saw americocentric on his “word of the day calender for low brows” and could wait to use it here so he could join the smart table…..nothing more.
Well…I’d agree,but Diaz got injured celebrating. So really, I can’t blame the WBC timing here. Just an idiotic tragic mess.
It’s going to come out that someone jumped on him in that dog pile. The WBC is meaningless
It’s not meaningless for the players in it, and for a lot of non-US fans. For some, this is more important than the regular season. Not for me. And obviously not for most Mets fans, but I think it’s silly to say this is meaningless.
I got some bad news Mets fan. MLB is also meaningless. Sorry to be the one to tell you.
One of the most watched events in sports history in most countries. Calling it irrelevant is painfully naive.
So is the World Cup of Cricket, that doesn’t mean it matters in the US.
Von- you always seem to be, one of the fairest posters here. Even as a Phillies fan, you never bash the Mets, for the sake of it (if at all). I appreciate that…
As far as this injury goes: Major leaguers simply SHOULD NOT play in these tournaments, EVER! It doesn’t matter if the WBC is “more important “ to some of them! These guys are getting paid insane money, to play Major League Baseball! (which, btw, IS a world sport)…What an absolute shame this happened…
Go ahead hiflew, cite the World Cup of Cricket’s international cable ratings
Oh, wait…
Go find out the viewing figures in India, you might be surprised. Cricket is borderline a religion in India and tens of millions follow it avidly.
It’s a cash grab meaningless event
Meaningless
Thank god we have rippington to clarify who is favorite posters r
And we care why??
Cricket is incredibly popular. Second most watched sport in the world after soccer. Try getting tickets to The Ashes – it is crazy. T20 cricket in India, Pakistan, Afghanistan is insanely popular. Cricket is a GREAT game.
Nice ripping KMK
The Mets season is meaningless.
mj-2
MLB is also meaningless.
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Can someone explain to me why someone would take the time and effort to sign into a website, only to post that the subject of that website is meaningless?
Major leaguers simply SHOULD NOT play in these tournaments,
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If a guy pulls a hammy running down to 1st, would it make any difference whether he did so in a tournament or in a practice game?
Cricket is borderline a religion in India
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I use to work with a Malaysian dude in London. He would literally start sweating talking about cricket, and maybe badminton or something like that.
To each their own.
Exactly,
If playing for their home country is so important, then maybe these players should try getting those nine figure contracts there. They come to the United States for a reason.
The WBC helps grow the game, which helps MLB. Think bigger
Nor is it meaningless for many, many U.S. fans, including myself. The World Baseball Classic is the true March Madness!
If we didn’t have MLB players playing in it, there’d be no point in having the WBC in the first place. It’s so much better than the Olympics *BECAUSE* the MLB players are in it!
JoeBrady
I think you’re missing the point. Baseball is entertainment and nothing more. If the WBC is meaningless then I can easily make the argument MLB is meaningless too.
How is MLB more meaningful? All it is is games being played to be enjoyed.
Obviously this went way over your head though.
In b4 “because MLB matters to me and the WBC doesn’t” counter argument…. Ok well that’s a poor counter argument if so.
In the grand scheme of things the world is really no different regardless who wins the World Series or the WBC. One carries as much significance as the other depending on which league you prefer to watch.
You think the citizens of Puerto Rico think it was meaningless for Diaz to suit up for their team? I doubt it. No more meaningless than you think it is for Diaz to suit up for the Mets instead.
Some of you have a horrible ability to view something from another perspective. Anyone calling one meaningless but the other not meaningless needs to realize you’re not the center of the universe and recognize it’s all a matter of perspective.
Or keep crying about how meaningless it was for Diaz to play in the WBC….
@etex211
They’re grown adults who should be fully allowed to make that decision and risk getting paid if they do get injured. It’s not the MLB’s job to hand hold players and prevent them from playing.
If an organization wants to stipulate that they aren’t allowed in their contract that’s fair game. Players can always decline those contracts if it’s that important.
To outright ban anyone from playing in it automatically is dumb though. Organizations and players should be able to discuss these and come to an agreement between each other. Maybe it’s let them play and forfeit salary if they do get injured. Maybe it’s only play for us or no contract….. again that should all be hashed out in the contract specifics…. Not some sweeping rule that prevents everyone from having a choice.
I think baseball is more than “entertainment” MJ
MAJOR LEAGUE baseball specifically which has a very rich history…
Your take seems foolish and ignorant
There will be no baseball in the Olympics. The WBC IS the Olympics for baseball.
MLB teams DID mandate that some players could not play in the WBC. Mostly players that had minor injuries now, but more than a few that had injury histories last season. If you ask those players, they all wanted to play in the WBC.
A very rich history of being entertainment.
I think it’s a great way to grow the game and promote it worldwide. What if he tripped over a chair celebrating in the locker room. Accidents and injuries happen. That’s life.
Ya and how many times u read tripping over chair and out for months. Tripping over a chair and playing a game at doesn’t compare the event is dumb
Mets fans’ tears are flooding this site
I haven’t heard of tripping over a chair specifically, but there have been quite a few freak injuries over the years that happen in bizzare ways that have cost players months on the DL/IL and not in risky behavior that violates their contracts.
Fluke injury had nothing to do with the WBC
What about Olympic basketball in July? Only 2+ months before training camp opens….
Wait, what’s really the issue here. It isn’t the WBC that’s dumb. What’s dumb is getting injured in a team celebration.
Why can’t they just play for their country during the Olympics? I know it’s in the middle of the baseball season, but there is never a good time to play an effectively meaningless tournament that just hinges on “national pride.” This problem is not going to go away. Look at Team America right now…they are so short of starting pitching they’ve had to leave guys in longer than necessary and they get tattooed. If the manager is hamstrung with one arm tied behind his back because he has to keep the parent clubs happy by micromanaging workload, etc. then what’s the point? Any injury that occurs during the WBC is going to be magnified by 500 times and God forbid it’s a season ending injury to someone like Trout, Ohtani, or Judge then you will see the end of the WBC (or at least any 1st string MLB player on the teams.)
So you’d rather a guy miss games that his contract actually pays him for, over spring training?
MLB is trying to grow the game. Not tank a month or more of a season every 4 years
WBC is good for the world. People love it. Timing could be better but you know it is what it is.
I do get a good laugh out of seeing some of these rosters littered with Americans. Great Britain’s whole team is basically USA guys. Some of these rosters reaaaally stretch the limits for this.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b, In case you hadn’t noticed, the sport of baseball is no longer played in the Olympic Games. It was brought back for the 2020 games in Tokyo, after not being included since 2012. 202o was probably an exception given that it’s the most popular sport in Japan, but it looks like baseball won’t be played going forward.
The IOC considers baseball to have only regional appeal. Spreading that appeal is a goal of the WBC. So eliminating the WBC is not going to help bring baseball back to the Olympics.
Saying the WBC is a “meaningless tournament that just hinges on “national pride” is a one-sided pejorative, with biased intent. You can try to diminish ‘national pride’, but it clearly exists, and has meaning for many players. That’s especially true when there is no other international stage where they can represent their countries.
The very fact that players like Trout and Ohtani want to play for ‘national pride’ ought to tell you something. And telling them that they can’t represent their countries would seem to be somewhat draconian, and even cruel.
@bstrowman i was thinking of when would be a good time and that’s a tricky one, i don’t really like the wbc during st because players are ramping up to fast. instead of the all-star game that no one really seems to care about maybe have the wbc then.
BEFOREMCOURT,mlb players do not get paid for spring training.checks come out every two weeks through the regular season.you can look that up.
olympics are supposed to be an amaeteur sport, not some ego trip the nba runs.
The Olympics haven’t been strictly amateur for decades. It isn’t just the NBA. The NHL, and pro tennis and golf players compete. Even when it was supposed to be all amateur Russia was paying (and doping) their athletes. That whole purity of amateur athletics in an illusion, and hasn’t reflected reality in a century.
That’s the point! Playing in March when they would otherwise be playing in Spring Training anyway is easily the best time of year compared to any other for such a competition!
Just like the 2020 (or close to it) games, baseball will be back on the Olympic program anytime the Summer Olympics are played in a country where baseball is popular.
Still, no MLB players are going to play in it as long as it’s held in the middle of the season, and so Olympic Baseball is always going to play second fiddle to the WBC.
The IOC cited the absence of the best players as the main reason for baseball being dropped from the Olympic program.
NPB paused their season so their players could play in the Olympics. Can you see MLB doing that?
Baseball was removed from the 2008 Games because MLB refused to allow their best players to participate in 2000 and 2004 and had indicated they would not in 2008 either.
MLB will not allow its players to participate in the Olympics so its not coming back.
Pretty much its gone because MLB is not going to stop a season in August. Could you imagine the outcry from Mets fans if Diaz had left to play in the Olympics in August in the middle of a playoff drive and got hurt? Or from Yankees fans if Judge got hurt in the Olympics with just 2 months to go in the MLB season when he was guaranteed to not be able to make it back?
Would the NPB have paused their season if the Olympics hadn’t been in Tokyo? That’s debatable. It’s true that the lack of the best players was the main cause for it being dropped, but the IOC also referred to baseball as a regional sport with limited global interest.
It’s a lot easier for a sport like the NHL to pause their season than it is for MLB. Hockey teams don’t play every day so the number of games to be made up is significantly less. Plus it wouldn’t be a good idea for players not making the Olympic team to be trying to stay sharp until the season resumes.
Plus baseball is played outdoors where trying to add on to the beginning or the end of the season could present weather problems. Spring doesn’t really hit in Boston until May, and is November baseball a good idea in northern cities?
People dismiss the WBC because there’re teams from countries like The Czech Republic, or Italy. But the first modern Olympics had only 14 countries participate. The first World Cup had only 13 participants.
Basically, the Olympics just doesn’t work for baseball. That’s why the WBC is the only alternative to a global baseball competition. The WBC isn’t ideal, but it’s the best way there is to grow the sport and have a world-wide baseball competition.
I don’t have an answer as to whether they would have paused their season for other Olympics. The IOC only approved baseball for the 2020 Olympic Games, which was played in 2021, because the NPB agreed to have their players participate.
I enjoy the WBC. I like the passion it is played with. Its like watching playoff baseball in the spring every 4 years (or so).
We know that MLB is not going to change their mind about taking their players out of the regular season and allow them to play in the Olympics, so the WBC is the only option.
Having it during spring training is also the only option. Its after players have begun their build up to the season and before the top 3 leagues in the world begin play.
A side note. The Czech Republics WBC game vs Japan was one of the most watched TV programming in the Czech Republic since the 1998 Winter Olympics when their team won the Gold in hockey.
Not sure what its worth, but the Czech team was up 1-0 after the 1st inning of that game against the powerhouse Japanese team.
The Czech Republic team also won a game in the tournament. Italy won 2 games and advanced to the 2nd round where they lost to Japan.
ALL of the quarterfinal games in Miami are sold out. In MIAMI. A place where the MLB team can’t sell out opening day.
Its a great tournament and its growing the popularity of the game around the world.
outinleftfield, Good stuff.
Dice-K agrees
Players can get injured in WBC but the same could happen in a spring training game. Mlb Pitchers in wbc are on pretty tight pitch counts just like in spring training, the risk is not really higher than spring training.
In other words, it’s not really a competitive tournament.
Freak accidents happen all the time. You can’t avoid them. Heck, who was the athlete that broke his foot/leg getting up from the couch? Some basketball player, I think? And the players don’t have to play in it. If teams don’t want their stars representing their country for fear of serious injury then they should put that in the contracts.
What is dumb is Puerto Rico celebrating like that after just a regular ol’ win in pool play. It wasn’t the championship, why are you doing a dogpile celebration?
@Milwaukee – 2208 It’s not dumb at all, what’s dumb is that these athletes have not learned from Kendrys Morales. Jumping up and down in a group in a small area on a curved slope is “dumb”., what could possibly go wrong…
True, but something like that can also happen during a regular spring training game. The WBC exists to promote baseball in the world. I wish him a speedy recovery.
You do realize you can get injured in spring training too, right?
I do agree, however, that they should hold the WBC in January or earlier than spring training so it doesn’t interfere, but the purpose of the WBC is still very relevant.
The old “you do realize…, right?” comment! Always fun to see the douchebagiest type of comment.
You do realize the “you do realize…, right?” comment makes you a douchebag, right?
Soooooo …why would you do that to yourself? Oh. Yeah. Right ….
@saratoga72 Me a douchebag? Seriously? How about answer the question instead of name-calling. It amazes me how people are quick to blame but don’t actually provide an answer with substance.
But if you feel that way, more power to you. I came here to talk baseball. Not my fault if you can’t provide a quality answer.
Never mind, not worth the argument.
Yeah, ironically you sound like you just want to call out other people. Not very friendly in the least. I won’t have it, so welcome to my banned list.
You do realize that the only one being a douchebag was you, right saratoga?
You have to be more careful around those Puerto Rican Wild Boars in that ranch.
@EasternLeagueVeteran Can’t tell if you’re serious, joking, or being highly derogatory.
WBC is the dumbest thing to have right before a season begins.
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As opposed to? The WS ends the first week of November. Are you looking for some nice cozy December games? There is no real season for the WBC. They won’t want to compete with the FB crowd.
In any case, injuries can happen just as easily in a ST game as they can in a WBC game.
Yes if they’re going to do it, do it after the World Series, good thing the Mets signed David Robertson, guess he’ll be the closer now
You act like injuries don’t happen just as often in Spring Training, and the players need to get into shape for the regular season somehow.
I don’t understand this argument that just because an injury can occur as easily at Spring Camp as it could at the WBC, then that somehow alone justifies why a player should attend?? Look, if you happen to sustain an injury during Spring Camp, it at least occurred in the line of duty, while with your team, doing the job you were paid to do.
But sustaining a season ending injury at the WBC, for instance, is just as egregious to me as Chris Sale flying over his handlebars busting his wrist or Fernando Tatis flipping his ATV in a sand dune & busting his shoulder. They were accidents that did not need to happen because the players took excessive,needless risks (& likely engaged in behavior that was explicitly in their contract they were told to avoid). I see choosing to play in the WBC as taking on the same sort of needless risk. If you get severely injured at the WBC you have let down your teammates, your employer, your fans, and possibly even (depending on your talent) torpedoed the season.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b,
“…because an injury can occur as easily at Spring Camp as it could at the WBC, then that somehow alone justifies why a player should attend??”
That can easily be turned around. Just because an injury is just as likely in the WBC as ST, that alone justifies not allowing players to represent their country?
You’re trying to equate participating in an established world competition with foolishly taking chances on a dirt bike or an ATV. That’s not an apt comparison. The only people buying that are those already biased against the WBC.
The problem is you value the WBC as a meaningless endeavor, and yet player and fan enthusiasm for the WBC says that’s incorrect. The WBC is not an exhibition, where winners and losers are irrelevant. There is a clear winner, and title that fans all over the world care about. If the WBC is meaningless, then so is the WS.
They need Spring Training. They do NOT need to represent their country so that is a moo point. Hopping on the bandwagon.
After the way it ended with the 2 best players in the league having the biggest moment of their careers this comment did not age well. Huge momentum for MLB coming off this.
God, what a crappy break for the man and the Mets! That sucks!
Good news for your guys. With the loss by the DR, your entire infield and OF will be back in spring training tomorrow or Friday at the latest. .
That’ll be great, but was looking forward to a DR -US match up.
The mets have a bunch of WBC players but I don’t think any are on the DR
Friarguy is a Padres fan. DR lost tonight so Soto and Machado are headed back to spring training. Bogaerts and Kim are already back because the Netherlands and Korea are out, too.
I feel absolutely terrible for Diaz… but you have to admit this is the most Mets thing that could happen
Going to miss a couple months. That stinks for the Mets. It also stinks for PUR. That is a strong team with a real shot at winning the WBC.
Torn ACL? Worst case scenario could be the season. Or maybe a sprain that heals in a couple of months.
Ya, that looked like a pretty typical ACL tear. He’s probably done for the year. Would be very happy to be wrong though
This is such a bad take. Yes, it really sucks that it happened and yes, it’s going to cost the Mets. But the WBC is HUGE for the international baseball community and does a great job spreading the game to areas that need involvement with the game. Baseball only keeps existing if there are fans to carry it and this tournament does a fantastic job connecting the MLB with these communities in other countries.
And the idea that players don’t take pride in playing for their countries? That’s insane. Players and fans alike are extremely passionate every year.
Injuries suffered during celebrations always cut a little deeper. Get well soon Edwin. Baseball’s better when you’re cookin’.
Mets 2023! $400M in payroll and luxury tax, all for naught.
They can trade prospects for reliever if need be.
Yeah they are gonna be lucky to win 80 games with a 400 million dollar payroll. Don’t worry, Billy Eppler is on the case! Might be the worst GM in MLB history
Edwin Diaz is not responsible for 20+ wins. This sucks for the Mets for sure, but they’re still a playoff team.
They easily could be a 3rd WC without many mental summersaults to get to that prediction… for 400M in total cost. Hell they are arguably only the 3rd best team in their own division.
And that was before this injury.
They’re in a killer division. The Braves, Mets and Phillies could all be 1st or 3rd. Doesn’t mean they aren’t good.
You said it yourself. They’re in a great division. Claiming they are still a playoff team, locked down, at this moment is extremely naive
The East will beat each other up and likely suffocate their respective win totals. One WC is most likely coming from the West. STL and Mil will benefit from a mediocre rest of the division and easily could both make it. And that’s before any Cinderella. As you said, there are 3 similarly talented teams in the east
Sorry. There’s no objective reason to claim the Mets are a lock for Oct baseball, before or after today. But especially after today.
You’re right. Nothing is a lock. I should have said playoff caliber team. This will hurt them for sure, but I think my point is, the Mets are so good that one closer, no matter how talented, isn’t going to completely determine their fate. I don’t see a 101 win team suddenly only winning 81 games. With or without Diaz, the Mets will be competing for a division crown.
This hurts but no closer is a 20 game swing. Might cost them 4-5 wins. Which is very significant. Could be the Difference between division champ or WC winner.
this one hurts especially if it’s worst case, the mets are going to be there in oct, heck look at atl few years ago had to rebuild there of on the fly and won a ws. the only silver lining to this is that the injury happened now in spring and gives the mets ample time to find a solution, and until shown differently i’m not counting out steve making a move he has the desire and resources to win
F the Mets
Mets are cursed.
The dreaded Victory Celebration again. When will they learn.
Didn’t Bellinger dislocate his shoulder during a celebration?
Kendry(s) Morales 2.0
Pride cometh before the fall.
Must have been a heck of a celebration.
Actually it was just jumping up and down. As someone familiar with ACL tears—and this may not be the injury at all—it’s somewhat amazing that it’s that easy to tear the ligament
Hope for the young man’s sake it’s something minor.
That’s crazy. Different people different bodies.
THIS is why I HATE this useless exhibition called the WBC. I can see $100 million getting flushed down the toilet if this is a serious injury. These are NOT the Olympics where there is genuine pride in repping your country on the world stage. This is a meaningless exhibition series that puts players at risk of injury in just such a nightmare scenario. Just absolutely worthless, the WBC.
You don’t think the players have genuine pride during the WBC?
What is “genuine pride”? How do you measure it? Did Diaz have 6 genuine pride, compared to Soto having only 4 genuine pride?
Pride is a SIN! It is one of the 7 deadly sins. When you give in to pride (even “genuine pride”) you open yourself up to a comeuppance. Diaz got exactly what he deserved!
@saratoga72 please leave the religious talk at the door (along with its buddy politics), i don’t come here for a sermon if i wanted a sermon i’d get up and go to church.
I don’t care what you come here for, and I don’t try to control what comments you post. Am I forcing anything on you? (Answer: nope.)
@saratoga72 you kinda (or anyone for that matter) are, this is a bb forum and the lot of us come here for just that. if we wanted to talk religion or politics we would go to those forums
Do you see the “mute” option? Ever wonder what that is there for? You can make sure you aren’t exposed to any comments that make your little feelings ouchy 🙂
@saratoga72 nope can’t see the mute button that i only use for the spam posts, and can’t have hurt feelings if you don’t have them in the first place.
on another note btw real classy move celebrating a man’s injury based of a religious doctrine that not everyone follows, you must be a riot at parties
@saratoga72 tell us how you really feel after you finish taking a hit from your cr@ck pipe
Apparently bring a douchebag isn’t a sin. Though it probably ought to be.
Ah, I remember when Jesus said, “Screw that guy, I’m glad he got injured”. Much Christian.
Arrogance comes before the fall.
Players that play in it seem to love it. Owners probably believe it will get them more international fans.
There is also an arguement to be made that the WBC will increase the talent pool for MLB. Top athletes from other countries may be exposed to baseball and take up the sport that otherwise may not have. That is a win for MLB and the fans.
Try telling those players that its a meaningless exhibition. The reason they were celebrating a win that just takes them to the 2nd round was because there is genuine pride in representing their country.
That game was a sellout at a park that draws 10-12 K for MLB games. The games in Chase Field have been sell outs or close to as well. Fans absolutely love the WBC.
It is raising the profile of the game of baseball worldwide. Its far from meaningless.
Type “spring training injury” into google real quick and see what happens
As far as I know this is the first serious injury in the WBC. Can’t say that about spring training.
Best spring training injury was Marty Cordova missing time by getting burned in a tanning salon.
Yeah because the WBC is the reason your dumb closer tore his acl jumping up and down. When will pitchers and nfl kickers learn that they aren’t real athletes. Just do your job and walk of the field.
This is the World Series for every other country. Yes, there is a ton of pride in the WBC. If the Mets happen to win the division this year, Diaz would be celebrating just like he was tonight. Fluke injuries happen, it’s not WBC’s fault.
I’ll tell you what’s worthless – your comment.
You don’t speak for players in the WBC, and if you genuinely believe there is no pride in it, then why are any of them playing? No one HAS to play – especially the stars. But they choose to.
You do realize right that most big league players can’t participate in the Olympics because they’re playing in-season MLB games?
Could you imagine if MLB paused the season in August for the Olympics like the NHL does for the Winter Olympics? These idiot “fans” would lose their minds.
I thought nhl stopped doing that.
Just for COVID. Not permanently
Cool. I liked the best available players playing.
86Mets
THIS is why I HATE this useless exhibition called the WBC.
Just absolutely worthless, the WBC.
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Please advise what the audience numbers were for the WBC.
It is not an “exhibition’, exhibition tournaments ae where players who participate couldn’t care less if they lose. Japan just showed you they cared, and so did all the South American participants.
It didn’t look too “worthless” when Ohtani came in for the 9th and struck out Trout with superb elite pitching.
It is unfortunate, but you just do not understand what it means for players to represent their country, it is bigger for most of them than playing for their club and they don’t get to do it as often as they would like, but you completely do not comprehend it, that’s a fact.
It’s “meaningless” to you because more than likely you don’t understand why the passion runs deep to play for your country, after all, on a world scale what sports do Americans play that are world renowned? Basketball? NBA players couldn’t care less, in fact they take knees and disrespect the flag, NFL? Just played in America and Canada. Most NFL players would prefer to take a knee or disrespect the flag. What else? Football with a round ball that most Americans do not like or understand. What other team sports that have interest on a global scale?
Yet you call the MLB grand finale the ‘World Series’ when that’s a patent contradiction in terms, because it involves two teams based in the USA. It’s laughable. Your opinion and that of others calling it “meaningless” exemplifies how insular you really are.
Last but not least, the FIFA World Cup is the most watched sport on the face of earth, but hey, the clubs shouldn’t release their players to play, should they. You’d have to wonder why anyone would want to play for their respective countries, they must love their countries more than some Americans do.
On another note my prediction that the DR will win it all is looking good!
I picked Israel! Oof!!!!!
I took Japan. They were guaranteed to advance. PR was always a threat to knock out one of the favorites. No elite starters wanted to pitch for usa.
No elite starters were allowed to pitch for the US. It wasn’t up to them, it was up to their MLB team.
I didn’t think teams had that much control. I know if someone was coming back from injury they could stop them.
The teams are able to say how many pitches a pitcher can throw and his exact schedule in the WBC. They can say how many at bats per game a player is allowed to have. Of course they can keep a player from playing.
Venezuela or Japan
Angels fans will never forget Kendrys Morales injury celebrating a HR at home plate.
I don’t get the hate for the WBC. it’s a great way to grow the game internationally and it means a lot for the players and their countries…well, except the USA apparently,.. based on some of the remarks I see here……
I love it dude. It’s the World Cup of baseball. I used to never understand why some of my friends cared so much about the World Cup; until they started the wbc
Sanka….u can go p now
It’s like having the pro bowl before the nfl season begins. It’s a worthless exhibition series for bragging rights. Nobody really cares about the WBC. It’s not the Olympics. Guys get paid to perform for their respected team not play some meaningless games so some people in Columbia can watch Mike trout hit.
Players care about it or they wouldn’t show up. Much more exciting than spring training. More exciting than regular season. I already know the post season teams. Maybe get one surprise.
millions and millions of fans from every corner of the globe care deeply, but other than that your statement is correct
I would argue that way more care about the WBC than the Olympics.
It’s just your misinformed opinion that “nobody really cares about the WBC”. Obviously the players care or they wouldn’t be celebrating to the extent that Diaz got hurt. Fans all over the world care. Fans in Japan, Korea, DR, Columbia, Venezuela, Canada, etc. care. You’re right about the WBC not being the Olympics. It’s actually bigger, and more important than the Olympics since the IOC eliminated it, and probably would still be even if they hadn’t.
The DR vs PUR game drew more fans than any baseball game in South Florida since game 6 of the 2003 WS. Baseball fans care.
The US vs Mexico game in Chase Field was the largest crowd in Chase Field since game 7 of the 2001 World Series. Baseball fans care..
You think the WBC every 4 years is going to make baseball huge in the UK or Italy? It’s another lame cash grab by MLB.
So what’s the point of the world cup? Just a cash grab? Come on, we all know that baseball needs to grow and this is a great opportunity.
I like the WBC as well, in fact I’ve watch so many games at this point I’ve seen every team compete.
Take your politics elsewhere. Nobody need any of that here.
I don’t know how you couldn’t be entertained by the Molina brothers taking out the mighty DR rival. Awesome stuff
Wow our only reliable reliever got hurt. 25 million dollars down the drain. If only there was a young reliever that is dominant with closing experience that has been available these past 2 years. Oh wait, Josh Hader was available for nothing last deadline and Billy Eppler thought our bullpen was fantastic. His prize of the offseason, Brooks Raley, is also hurt. I guess will have to rely on 38 and 39 year olds like Ottavino and Robertson to close games. This bullpen is horrible and has been horrible for the past decade. Should of traded for Hader, should of signed Hand, could of gotten Brad Boxberger for nothing. These are just a small sample of available players. I have no faith in this GM. They need to trade for Hand, Bednar, and Hunter Harvey or else they will be lucky to finish at .500
Don’t forget the promising reliever you had that you traded away for a platoon dh.
What about your over 40 starting pitchers who are both getting 30 million per season?
@Troutahni Exactly, 40 million each for guys who will be lucky to start 15 games. Verlander missed 2/3 of the last seasons and Scherzer has delt with deadarm and back spasms. Young starters like Luis Castillo, Shane Bieber, and Lucas Giolito seem to go beyond their heads
I’m sure the fans in Queens are handling this rationally
I fear for LFGMets, he’s losing it.
Who was it that snapped his leg or ankle while jumping on home plate in another one of these stupid, Over the top Celebrations? I forget, Old Age I guess. I think Anthony Franco explained it just right why they have this tournament BEFORE the season rather than AFTER. A few reasons really and good ones.
Kendrys Morales, on my fantasy team 2010 I believe
Right! Thanks
He was on my team that year, too
Still had the OF eligibility that year, right? Or was that the year before. Can’t remember, I had him a few times
Oops sorry. It was in the Wednesday chat, I forgot to say where. My bad.
In a way it’s not a shock something moronic would happen..
Gramatica!
I hope it’s not serious. Nobody wants to see that. Well there are a few dim bulbs here but mostly not.
To be fair, he’s a Mets player, so he isn’t used to celebrating.
Get well soon, Edwin.
Too soon for the sick burn, but kudos. Well played.
WBC is awesome and I have enjoyed watching an electrician strike out Ohtani and all the amazing lineups! That being said the timing of the tournament is awful but when else? Diaz getting hurt sucks bad for him and baseball but my Braves be looking way mo betta lately…..
Timing is great. Spring training replacement. Who are they going to get to pitch after a full mlb season?
You are right. With a 162 game schedule that last most the year those pitchers anf everyone really needs a break.
Dislocated Ankle BFD
If your a life long Mets fan this is something you’ve become accustomed to. If there’s something that can go wrong, it will. I’ve learned to take it with a grain of salt as nothing is promised.
Oh well. What can you do.
I’m with you, long past the yelling and smashing days. I still care and hope, but I’m numb to the inevitable disappointment.
I can’t imagine the Angels, or their insurer, are thrilled that Trout and his seemingly constant 40% chance of injury, is taking part either.
It’s baseball related why would the insurer care? It’s a game being played during SP.
whether it’s with the Angels or team America.
Being injured while celebrating reminds me of Kendrys Morales. Hope he’s ok.
Kenny jumped down hard when he got to HP. Diaz was hopping weird. hurt it while hopping
I guess this means Mauricio is heading somewhere for a relief pitcher. This has to be one of the most devastating injuries for the Mets before a season began that I can remember.
I think last year was pretty rough, arguably worse. deGrom and Scherzer before the season started. Fans were proclaiming the season was over. They went on to win 101. We don’t know the extent of Diaz’s injury yet. Could be a little time. Could be the whole season. Either way, I think this roster is still very good.
Not disagreeing with anything you said but the excitement Diaz brings to the stadium is irreplaceable. The Mets are definitely a playoff team. Their odds of winning the World Series just plummeted though. The Mets expectations of making the playoffs was giving. Winning it all is the goal now and that just took a punch to the gut.
Hope he isn’t out the whole season.
I miss the 1943 Yankees. Now, that is professional behaviour when it comes to winning. No showboating on the field. Just get the outs and then get back in the locker room where you can celebrate your win.
Yeah baseball was in a much better state in the early 1940s
Jackie debuted in 1947, for context. Think about your statement….
@BeforeMcCourt
How could you completely miss my point yet somehow make a rant about racism? Amazing!
Only great player on that team was Bill Dickey and the only reason he was still there was because at 36 he was too old to join the military.
You’re the one who decided to pick a pre-integration team to boast about their conduct on and off the field, not me.
You could have said the 2010 Cardinals and made the same point. Heck the 98 Yankees could qualify. As could hundreds of other teams. You choose 1943, not me. I just said think about the implication of your comment and your decision.
BeforeMcCourt-The point he was making is since you’re trying make it a racial issue, You never saw players do this up until the last 10 years. Back in in the 50’s,60’s 70’s and 80’s players after a win would simply come out of the dugout form a line, And shake each others hand.. Maybe after a pitcher threw a no hitter they would form a circle around the pitcher and jump around.. Oh and by the way,OMG there were Black,Caucasian,Latin and Asian players on those teams just like in 2023.
Good lord, dude. Relax.
Are you kidding? In the 1960s and 1970s the fans joined the players celebrating on the field when they won a big game.
Anyone remember the 1968 World Series? The Tigers players celebrated on the field at Busch Stadium for the longest time. The crowd that was left started booing their celebration and officials came out and escorted the Tigers players off the field. And that was a ROAD game.
@BeforeMcCourt
Okay, it’s clear as day that you haven’t even bothered to look at the video footage of them literally getting the last out and then just casually walking off the field like nothing happened. The celebrations happened in the locker room not on the field.
And you picked a 1998 Yankees team filled with steroid users and a 2010 Cardinals team that’s was probably one of the worst teams to ever win a World Series but glad you had to pretty much call the poster a racist for talking about baseball in 1943. I don’t know why you think that’s helpful at all.
Probably another old white guy pretending to care about other races… just ignore them. They just want attention on the internet.
@before what where the cards celebrating in 10 iirc if we were celebrating anything it was a division unless you meant 11
@mets cards didn’t win in 10 i think that was sf, but the 11 cards were not the worst team to win a ws that honor goes to the 06 cards were they finished 82-79 iirc (the cards and giants only played 161 games that year)
BeforeMcCourt
You lead the leader’s board for the dumbest comment of 2023, I don’t think there’s any chance anyone will beat you this year, but there is a possibility.
How you tried to turn it into something about racism when it had absolutely nothing to do with it tells me everything I need to know, but that is today’s society for you.
You, & others like you always have to turn it into something it isn’t or wasn’t.
The1943 Yankees? Weren’t all men supposed to be fighting in world war 2 at the time. Celebrating would have been odd with millions dying at the time.
@Mets6986??
Thanks to President Roosevelt’s Green Light Letter, which gave baseball a much needed an endorsement, the game continued to be played throughout the war.
@Mets6986??
I forgot to mention, the footage still shows them celebrating the win, but it’s in the locker room not running around and jumping on the field. No one was injured.
The ‘43 yanks? How fricking old are you?
@DUDDUS
Older than the MLB.
In 1943, a lot of players were at war. Celebrating baseball wasn’t likely the same at that time.
Baseball is supposed to be fun. Sports are supposed to be fun. Winning a game while representing your country absolutely should be fun and the players should be able to express their enjoyment. They earned it.
What happened is obviously tragic, but it is what it is: a freak incident.
@Stevil
You might have a point if they had stopped baseball all together, which didn’t happen. The president wanted baseball to continue to be played and celebrated. And, as I pointed out, they still celebrated their win. However, they were professional enough to know that they didn’t need to be acting like it’s their 18th birthday party.
You missed the point.
There were reasons to be humble. But tell me, who wants to watch or celebrate a win without emotion day in and day out? That applies to the fans as well.
Baseball is a kids’ game played by adults. I’m sorry if you’re unable to acknowledge that.
@Stevil
To put things into perspective, every single day on earth, there is at least a handful of wars going on, yet, somehow, we don’t seem to be humble, mainly because it doesn’t impact us. So, if these players were being humble because of the war in Europe, why aren’t they being humble because of the war and instability in Africa, Mexico, Ukraine, Yemen, Myanmar, etc?
@old york we only cared about the war in europe because we we’re fighting in it the other wars we don’t care about because we’re not fighting them.
@brodie-bruce
Fine, but don’t try to push some idea of being humble when it comes to war, when it’s always happening. If the humble argument were legit, we’d always have calm celebrations because humans are always fighting.
@old york wasn’t trying too and if i was i apologize just pointing out the only time to were humble during war is when we’re involved. other than that i agree the lot of us aren’t humble and don’t care about wars in other parts of the world
@brodie-bruce
I agree and no need to apologize. Your opinion is just as important, if not more, than my opinion.
You’re really trying to dilute Americans’ involvement in WW2?
Take the point, have a nice day, and try not to get upset over something as petty as athletes celebrating a victory. They will continue whether you like it or not.
I don’t think it just goes without saying that he is the best reliever in baseball. Probably the most dominant. If we look at the last two years I think Clase with Cleveland is better. He also pitches more innings.(Oh!! But he doesn’t strike out 16 per 9 he only strikes out a bit over a batter an inning so my argument must be trash!).
@Rishi Clase is ungodly good. As great as Diaz has been, Clase is about 0.1 WHIP better every year. Ridiculous!
Injuries happen, it sucks. Mets can’t buy luck, lol.
The WBC is great, and IS growing the sport. They can’t do it after the season because guys don’t have the luxury of staying sharp unless they are actually in the playoffs. Injuries would be more prevalent if they took a break, ramped back up to play and shortened their off season. It makes sense to do it when they do. I have enjoyed every game, many of these players the WBC is bigger to them than the World Series no cap.
Steve Cohen is probably throwing tables tonight…
No chance that guy can pick up a table and throw it. Might be throwing pillows or couch cushions.
Or gold coins. I bet he can sling a Krugerrand.
Now there’s an image
nah steve just threw stupid money at the cleaning crew to throw the tables for him
And then clean it up afterwards.
I hope Diaz is ok, or if he has a more serious injury, he’ll still be back soon.
The WBC is great for promoting the game. Injuries can happen at any point, including spring training. Arguing against the WBC because a player on your team got injured is shortsighted. What about players who get injured during ST games? Perhaps they would have been fine if they went off to play in the WBC. Works both ways.
All this awful for the Mets comments. How about poor Puerto Rico lost their closer!
It hurts but move on. Contenders should have multiple elite arms and more waiting in the minors with a farm system to trade for more if needed. Mets have the entire season to replace him. I am not a huge fan of their front office but even they should be able to get the pen ready for post season.
anyone who thinks the WBC is useless and/or players don’t care hasn’t been watching the WBC. this injury stinks but the tournament is so much fun and hugely meaningful for the players and their nations (just not as much for the USA obviously)
It’s narcissism and projection. Just because you think it’s stupid doesn’t mean others feel the same way.
Personally, it doesn’t mean much to me either, but I fully support the players who take pride in representing their country.
Plus, the issue here is with the celebration, not the tournament itself. And it is one that can be addressed.
Have Verlander close and trade for a serviceable, or better starter.
Ah yes, the $43M closer
Most teams’ entire bullpen costs less, I’d imagine
What if their next best reliever completely bombs as closer or they’re not willing to trade top prospects for a real closer?
Wasn’t John Smoltz making big money for the time when Atlanta made him their closer?
They’ll try everything else but worst case scenario, they could have to turn to a starter with closer stuff.
Smoltz made 8M in 2001, his first year as a closer. It was the 49th highest salary that year in MLB. Verlander is tied for 1st in 2023. And Smoltz’s 2001 salary is less than 20% of Verlander’s 2023 salary
I get what you’re saying, but that’s a helluva jump from Smoltz to JV
You need to get some good sleep and come back in a few days and re think this. You want to take the reigning cy young winner that you paid 43 m to have his services to anchor your rotation in a sport where the most important thing is your starting rotation and have him pitch a third of the innings he would have pitched?
I don’t. It’s worst case scenario. Sometimes it’s fun to think way outside the box. It’s just a long-shot what if. I wasn’t suggesting Verlander as an immediate option. But after failed attempts to fill the closer role, they could get desperate.
With that payroll and their best starters close to 40 years old, there will be immense pressure to not let the season go to waste.
As important as the starting rotation is, where does it get them if the 9th inning is consistently a problem?
There isn’t a scenario. Not a long shot. It’s a no shot. When you lose a relief arm you need your best starter to eat innings even more.
I had flashbacks of Kendrys Morales. Hope it looks worse than it actually is.
Ive found videos of the pitch, and of him on the ground after the injury. Anyone know of a video that shows the actual celebration?
Link in storyline above, cant see the actual fall.
I can understand why some people don’t like the WBC. After all, who wants to see ML ballplayers playing baseball like it mattered to them.
It sucks that this is going to overshadow such a great game that has so much significance for the people who were represented by the two teams in this game. I don’t think there is any question that the WBC looked like a stroke of brilliance all night long until one minute after the game ended. It was reported that 46% of Japanese households were tuned in for a game earlier this tournament. This is irrelevant baseball because a great pitcher had a fluke of an injury that didn’t even take place between the lines? Come on
Japan v Korea.
The reason the wbc is dumb is a) the majority of eligible players don’t go so it’s not the best of the best (World Cup comparisons here). B) there are like 8 teams and half of the teams can’t field a team with actual citizens so they ask players that are like two degrees removed from the country to play. It is actually pretty great for the 3 or 4 teams that field a competitive roster of the best players in the world.
Not sure how to fix this, maybe if it was during a better time instead of 2 weeks before opening day they would get more takers.
a) is only true for USA pitches who are more worried about pitching a game in april against the pirates than pitching for their country. All other countries miss at most 1 or 2 players, and usually due to injury concerns.
b) I agree the rules are a bit too broad, but most teams are filled with players who are either born in that country or have a parent who is. Outlier is team israel, who shouldnt qualify with this squad.
We can fix it. Every other team sport has a world cup that’s played in the summer (or winter for winter sports) once every 4 years, and have teams going to the olympics. So every other year, we just stop the MLB and other foreign leagues in July to allow players to play in the world cup/olympics. O wait…. MLB would never allow that because $$$
Dumasdugler, pay attention. 20 teams. 168 players that have been MLB All Stars competing. The best of the best.
The pre-tournament favorite is out. A team that was a longshot went 4-0 in pool play beating two of the favorites. Mexico beat the heavily favored US.
Olympic squads are filled with players who are not living in those countries. Some have never even visited those countries before representing them in the Olympics.
The BEST time to play the tournament is after players have started getting into game shape and before the season starts. They can’t play it after the season and can you imagine the uproar if half of the MLB players left in August to play in the WBC like NHL players do to play in the Olympics?
It is far more honorable for a player to get injured in a WBC game or celebration than to get injured in a motorcycle accident, dirt bike accident, or bar fight.
GO1962, Just my opinion, but getting injured in any of those situations is dumb.
Sad thing is Mets wouldn’t even beat the Dodgers or Padres at full force. ^_^ Mets are trash, Go Dodgers!
Sick burn bro
I correctly predicted the Phillies winning the division eight weeks before it happened so I think I have a pretty good feel for certain teams. I think you’re just upset because the Dodgers also own the Braves. It’s never too late to become a fan.
Braves won the division.
Dodgers take 3rd this year
The Phillies didn’t win the division, they were in 3rd place in the NL East. The Braves won.
I hope he isn’t out long, if he is; hopefully he heals up properly and is healthy when he comes back baseball is better with Mr. Trumpet man.
Knee injury. Can’t imagine it will be anything shorter than a few months.
This truly sucks a massive lemon for Diaz and Mets. Injury: Freak accident. Reason: Pro players jumping up and down like 12 yr olds over a spring game. Which they wouldnt have been doing if not for the TV cameras up close and personal demanding drama, excitement,and manufactured emotion for the viewing audience. You know, keep the customers satisfied. Diaz at first did not look like a guy who wanted to join the group pogo stick routine, but he’s a trooper, gotta put on the show. So he did. And what help did he receive? The kind an 8th grader would get in gym class outdoors. Theres the Mets 100M closer, limping on his obviously damaged knee and leg, foot sticking in the wrong direction,WALKING off the g$#@n field so the crew can find some rickety piece of s@#t wheelchair….wheelchair….on the long side of the foul line. No evaluating the leg, stabilizing the knee, no cart…the good old fashioned way it used to be done. I sure as hell hope MLB looks at this and wonders why the f$@k are we putting our best players in this mickey mouse BS, and now Diaz is probably done for the season. Brilliant. Whoever came up with this crap should be drawn and quartered through the streets of Queens. And all the posters here blowing crap abt national pride and all for the good of the game are damn deluded fools. Its for the money and nothing else. They can sell nation and integrity all they want, but they cant invest in simple basic medical care and equipment for players…screw the WBC and everyone associated with this fiasco.
Cleo- I’m just guessing. But I’m a 100% sure you wouldn’t have gone on this rant had a player not been a member of the Mets. amiright?
Yikes. This is how Puerto Rico celebrates. I grew up with a couple kids who came here to play baseball. That’s the culture down there to do that. Stupid injury for sure but it has nothing to Do w cameras. You put that group together on a High School baseball field in the middle of August and they’ll celebrate
Fair question. I would honestly be upset, not as much given particular fandom, but still upset on the principle of the thing, for the player, his teammates, and fans of the team. MLB us better when the best players are actually pkaying. Risk vs Benefit is way out of whack with this situation, and thats what drives me off the edge.
Cleon- So pretend I’m your shrink and tell me how you really feel. I mean don’t hold back just let it all out. Let your inner emotions out, and lower your blood pressure. Be good for you.
Thanks for listening. MLBTR is great therapy, Im feeling much better already. Although, the Mrs did hide the razor blades today!
Think of all the countless injuries during “celebrations.” Bellinger is the most obvious one. Why, why doesn’t baseball ban such insanity?! Design something safer. No need to chase people around, jump on the them, and slam bodies into each other. Absurd. Someone come up with something fun yet safe, please. And MLB ban the rest.
Someone needs to get a safer celebration going viral that the players mimic and, eventually, take up in the long run.
Jazz thumbs. That should do it.
Mets still won the Mariners trade at the end of the day it seems
Sure. but this contract has nothing to do with the trade valuation. Mets didn’t trade for his 2023 rights
No they didn’t, Robinson Cano did
@Kewldood69 They really didn’t. Add up the money valuation and they’re still tens of millions down. The Wilpons paid a fortune for Diaz in order not to have to buy a 10-12m AAV closer (the going rate at the time), and so that they could push the ultimate cost ie Cano’s future salaries, onto whomever they sold the team to.
Getting lucky so far on Kelenic, for example, just means the deal was horrible rather than truly horrible.
WBC games are meaningful to MLB, because they are trying to extend the fan base. Every team has risk, it’s the luck of the draw.
Thats what I hate about the way players celebrate wins now. They run around chasing each other, ripping the uniforms. off the players back. I’m very surprise a pitcher hasn’t gotten a serious arm injury from this stupid horseplay they exhibit after a win.
These types of celebrations should be banned: full stop. At the very least, there should be contract language which states that if a player participates in the WBC and gets hurt in this fashion, they will pay the price. I think it would be fair for teams to ask for that in exchange for such participation.
Realize this: The NBA and NFL penalize celebrations deemed “obscene” (they aren’t), yet they put no one at risk of injury or harm. In baseball, they allow you engage in a type of celebration which has lead to multiple significant injuries in the not too distant past without nary a thought.
The solution isn’t to prevent participation in the WBC or ban celebrations altogether. Just say “No more dogpiling. Do whatever you want other than that and we’re good”.
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Don’t know what is better, Daiz being injured or DR being out of the WBC? Regardless screw both. Can’t wait for the real season to start,
Ur Mets Fandom is showing
Cohen may need another $400 million to buy replacements for the $400 million he’s already spent
It seems their ill wishes about deGrom came true about their own closer. Karma?
lol at the blame game. Very predictable. Life is full of unfortunate situations. Sometimes you run into them, sometimes you don’t. Baseball is running into plenty. Crazy times.
Well, That will be It for the Celebrating moving forward. Of any kind.
Players are dumb. They rush and charge each other. Jumping and stomping. Or they do it to themselves.
This team just can’t go a single off-season without a ‘LOL Mets’ moment. Their season is already over honestly. Not enough depth and their pitching was questionable already. No way Verlander or Max hang in all season
Brutal. Doesn’t really sound like “put some ice on it and take it easy for a week” type of injury, but maybe Mets fans will get lucky.
A celebratory non-contact dance should be the only celebration allowed in MLB and WBC. No more Bellinger and now Diaz injuries!!
When are the agents, the adult supervision, going to tell these idiot clients of theirs, to stop behaving like rabid monkeys after a win? This is disgusting!
When players are replaced by robots.
Torn ACL?
I hope he is going to be ok. Trust me I hate seeing him in the 8th or 9th inning because he is lights out but NEVER like seeing players get hurt especially in this way. I am Puerto Rican and was pulling for Team Puerto to beat the Dominican’s. But not pulling for the METS. Chop On Braves Country!
Should have the WBC directly after the World Series.
Warm weather and/or Dome stadiums only.
Came here to say this exact thing. Hold it in December, play it in domes.
Well, Mets, there’s a lot of money down the drain.
The Mess
Isn’t that what the Olympics are for? MLB trying to cash in with their own Bootleg Jabroni version.
Baseball will not be an Olympic Sport in the next Games.
At this rate Cohen will be broke in 5 years……..He will be raking the infield soon
I’m sure nobody would get injured if they only skipped the WBC in favor of playing in spring training. Nobody’s been hurt in spring training yet, especially no high dollar free agent pitching going to another major east coast franchise…
Maybe if we skipped baseball altogether nobody would get hurt then none of you financial and medical geniuses would be so upset.
I love how the @MLBONFOX post says “Edwin Diaz APPEARS to suffer injury.”. Well duh. As sure as the Sun appears to be hot.
Well this news isn’t how I wanted to start my morning.
WBC is wonderful. It’s a shame a game like that ended on such a down note. Just hope it’s not blown out of proportion and the tournament is made out to be the bad guy. Hoping Edwin is ok.
The $102M contract to a relief pitcher turned out exactly the way everyone knew it would… a disaster.
The O face, when monster money gets wheeled off the field in an exhibition game. The song, the entrance, the hoopla, all the while the pitch clock ticks down. With all that going on the bases could be loaded before he even pitches a pitch, just kidding. The team is stuck with him if he’s bad going forward for 5 years, and only three if he’s super good, while one of those three will be at least started late. One mans stumble could be another one’s gain. Buying F.A’s means the farm has guys to trade if help is needed.
Did “Timmy Trumpet” play Diaz’s song as they wheeled him off the field 🙂
You “win”
Gonna try this Mute/moot thing ….
Mets better revisit that Alexis Diaz/Kevin Parada trade that was rumored before Edwin signed that big contract.
Not to downplay events elsewhere in the world, in some ways, team sports of all kinds are the “modern” equivalent of tribal warfare. Anyone who perceives sport as something more than entertainment will recognize the meaning of the competition.
It’s war, baby!
And there WILL be casualties. Sometimes from friendly fire
I always attribute some of my kids’ success to sports. She was upset about not getting enough minutes as a freshman. Just the fact that there were no magic tricks, other than taking minutes from other players, was an important lesson.
I hope Mets closer undergoing season-ending knee injury or missing all of 2023.
Not his landing leg so that’s a good thing. hopefully it doesn’t cost him alot of time like when Kendry Morales broke his celebrating that walk off with anaheim..
I really don’t count on Diaz closing a huge save in the playoffs anyway
When it gets to the end, I don’t think the Mets have much confidence in Diaz
Now it’s time for all the casuals who don’t have a clue what’s going on to flip out and cite his ERA and save totals
Camden453
I really don’t count on Diaz closing a huge save in the playoffs anyway
Now it’s time for all the casuals who don’t have a clue what’s going on to flip out and cite his ERA and save totals
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I guess that burden falls on me then. Diaz’s playoff ERA is 0.00. The ERA for an RP is pretty meaningless, but then what was the point in mentioning the playoffs?
And if I were to try to figure a clutchness index, I would start with the games that are doubly important-Atlanta & Philly. Last year, his ERA against them was 1.10, a Whip of 0.49, and a K/w of an amazing 32/4 in 16.1 IPs.
Uh, but again, he’s never been in a situation where it’s a huge save. That’s where he’s going to blow it
I said the same thing about Jeurys Familia. It doesn’t matter how great your season was, the only thing that matters is closing out the biggest game
Diaz is probably another Familia and it might actually help the Mets having someone else in the playoffs
And why did the Mets wilt at the end of the season? Some of that could be sensing that the back end of your pen isn’t reliable
“he’s never been in a situation where it’s a huge save. That’s where he’s going to blow it”
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But that is completely unsupported by anything. I see nothing in his resume to suggest that he is not clutch, which appears to be your basis of assuming that he is not clutch.
“why did the Mets wilt at the end of the season?”
Honestly, I have no idea why you would ask this question and imply that the NYMs wilt had anything to do with Diaz. His ERA in the final two months was 0.89. That’s as good as it gets.
To suggest that Diaz’s 0.00 playoff ERA, or his 0.89 ERA was responsible for the NYM’s wilt, is about the worst take I have ever seen in MLB-R. I don’t even like the Mets, but to suggest that Diaz was their problem last year is baffling.
WBC is an embarrassment. Some of the nations are embarrassing themselves taking it so seriously. It’s been a disgrace. Sitting there getting so worked up over a meaningless exhibition tournament
In baseball a bottom of the division single-A team could win a game against the World Series champion Astros. Your country beating another country is not the flex you think it is
The Australian baseball kids struggling for finding disagree. It’s about exposure and awareness. The winning just helps with that.
Finding equals finding
Ffs. Funding
There has got to be a balance.
Some of the nations are embarrassing themselves taking it so seriously.
1-Who’s to say what we should take seriously? I take poker seriously, as well as fantasy BB, and on a good year, it would barely pay for one night’s bar tab.
2-And sometimes the dog wins. It’s what brings excitement to these outings. I watched when we beat the USSR in hockey, and when one of our wrestlers beat some Russian that had never lost a match prior to that.
It isn’t and wasn’t an “exhibition tournament”.
I agree, it’s a “disgrace” for people like you to assert it’s meaningless for people to have passion about representing their flag and playing for their country. You’d have to wonder why people are serious when it comes to playing for their countries, most Americans aren’t, they’d prefer to take a knee or burn their flag.
You are so insular that you simply do not understand and comprehend it.
Looks like Ohtani & Japan proved you wrong as well
I wonder if contractual language involving the WBC and injuries occurring while playing for another team could end up voiding a contract or at least voiding a season of pay? Not necessarily in Diaz’s contract, but future contacts?
No. It won’t.
Act like you’ve been there before…
Too many athletes practice histrionics.
If this is an ACL tear, he might be ready by Spring Training 2024. Probably will never be the same though.
I blame Lindor for this. He’s the leader of that team and the other players are just following his lead
He’s been way over amped and way too charged up for this. They think they’re all supposed to go out there and have this huge chest thumping celebration
Most of these players probably aren’t even into celebrating, but since Lindor is so amped up like he’s Braveheart or something, they think they’re supposed to mob Diaz
FREEEEEEEEDDOOOOMMMM!!!!
When the Yanks play the Mets, I want the the Mets’ best out there. This just stinks.
Didn’t seem like a crazy celebration. This is just sad. Get well quick kid.
I said in 2015 when Jeurys Familia gets in the playoffs, he’s going to blow it. Because that’s in his DNA. Sure enough he quick pitches Alex Gordon and that was the end of the World Series right there
I say the same thing about Diaz. When he gets in a big spot, he’ll serve it up
If he’s out for the season maybe the team has a different makeup
Because that’s in his DNA.
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Ahhh, the DNA. I finally understand where you are coming from.
Yep, gotta jump up and down in a group pic for social. Who can celebrate the bestest. You live and you learn….
Yup injuries happen but they can also BE PREVENTED
Edwin Diaz is a selfish selfish jerk
I am reading ALOT of comments from people who never played baseball.
Does Timmy Trumpet know how to play “Taps’?
Mike Trout says hi to all the “WBC is meaningless” ‘experts’.
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It’s hard to sum up into words what these last couple of weeks have meant to me. I had the time of my life representing that USA on my chest! The energy was electric and made the WBC a moment I’ll always cherish. So thank you all so much. It was an honor to be your captain.