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Mets Option Brett Baty, Mark Vientos

By Nick Deeds | March 25, 2023 at 7:51pm CDT

The Mets have announced that they have optioned third baseman Brett Baty and first baseman Mark Vientos to Triple-A Syracuse. Both prospects were under consideration for the club’s Opening Day roster. Infielders Jose Peraza and Jonathan Arauz, catcher Michael Perez, outfielder DJ Stewart, righty Denyi Reyes, and lefty Zach Muckenhirn have also been reassigned to minor league camp.

Baty, 23, made his big league debut in 2022, though he struggled in his 11-game audition. Still, as a consensus top-25 prospect in the sport who had a torrid spring, posting an .885 OPS in 50 plate appearances during camp, Baty drew significant attention as a potential option for the Mets to open the season. Ultimately, with just 17 games of experience above the Double-A level and Eduardo Escobar currently entrenched at third base, the Mets decided Baty would be better served starting the season in the minors.

In the event that Baty comes up later in the season and plays his way into contention for the NL Rookie of the Year award, he could earn a full year of service time by finishing in the top two. If he places in the top three, the Mets will have missed an opportunity to acquire an extra pick in the 2024 draft by not placing Baty on the Opening Day roster. Vientos, meanwhile, has not met the prospect ranking requirement to earn the Mets an extra draft pick even if he had been added to the Opening Day roster, though a top two finish in Rookie of the Year voting could still earn him a full year of service time.

Vientos is in a similar position: also 23, the right-handed slugger struggled in his 16 game cup of coffee at the big league level last season, though with 112 games of experience at the Triple-A level over the past two seasons, and a clearly path to playing time as a DH alongside Daniel Vogelbach, Vientos seemed more likely to make the Opening Day roster than Baty. Nonetheless, he will join Baty at Triple-A to open the season, likely leaving the final spot on the Mets’s bench to either Darin Ruf or Danny Mendick.

While both youngsters seem all but certain to return to the big league roster at some point this season, the Mets have a deep position player corps that leaves the duo getting regular playing time at the Triple-A level until an injury (or under-performance by a big league regular) creates an opportunity in the majors.

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  1. davidk1979

    2 years ago

    Mets always stick with mediocre vets like Escobar that are good clubhouse guys much to their detriment and have been doing it forever. Poor Baty.

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    • geofft

      2 years ago

      Poor Baty? There’s nothing poor about a good – not great – prospect having to actually spend a half season or so in triple-A.

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      • Gratefuljim

        2 years ago

        Baty has great written all over that swing.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          And holes written all over that glove. For some reason they think “Bats” might come around as a fielder despite no real progress in four-plus years in the Mets system.

          Will they regain their senses and either stick him in LF for half a year, that or focus him entirely on being a DH? They haven’t figured it out after all this time, so I’m not optimistic. This bulk of the system still has Wilpon fingerprints all over it.

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    • Robrock30

      2 years ago

      This is David Klein. I thought you were someone else but now I know.

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    • Canosucks

      2 years ago

      Silly InEppler is a moron, don’t tell me is he saving a roster spot for his mistake Darin Duff or is he gone aleady. As a long time Mets fan living out in Angel Honk Land I have watched this fool ruin one team and now is ruining another. 🙁

      If I was Baty I would go to the New York media and ask to be traded

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      • oscar gamble

        2 years ago

        @Canosucks: And going to the NY media would accomplish what?

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      • padam

        2 years ago

        @Cano – why is it Eppler? Could be Buck telling him what he would like on his roster.

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      • ForeverGiantsFan

        2 years ago

        Farhan would trade for him.

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    • Mac Attack

      2 years ago

      I agree. This move sucks. I like the 60’s and 70’s when the Mets brought up young prospects and Rookie of the Year honors like the Braves and Dodgers do in today’s world. Escobar will hit 225 if we’re lucky.

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  2. LotusNotes

    2 years ago

    Wish they had dumped Ruf and gave Vientos a shot.

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    • brooklyn62

      2 years ago

      Amen to that, brother! Ruf has been a bust.

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      • Canosucks

        2 years ago

        Ruf is a bust but InEppler will never admit he made a mistake, he is arrogant and his Ego is too large just like he did hanging on to Lowly Rodriguez last year costing the Mets first place!

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          That Deadline was catastrophic. Eppic, really.

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    • geofft

      2 years ago

      That assumes that Vientos is ready for regular major league duty. Despite a good slash line this spring, his 37% suggests that he might need a little more seasoning. You also assume that Ruf will again be as bad as he was with the Mets last year, rather than returning to his normal performance levels against lefties. Neither of those things is a given.
      The truth is they are both question marks at this time, and we don’t know who will perform. But here’s the thing: Opening days rosters are not etched in stone. And a 162-game season sees a lot of changes. You need a Plan B – and C, and D – to make it through the year. If you try Ruf for a month and he fails, you can always call Vientos up then. But if you cut Ruf to make room for Vientos, and Vientos fails, you’ve wasted one of your options.
      BTW: this is not me making stuff up. This is based on things said by Ron Darling and Sandy Alderson during previous spring trainings.

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      • expired

        2 years ago

        Spot on.

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      • sheagoodbye

        2 years ago

        Voice of reason.

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      • G-Force

        2 years ago

        Even if you had made that up, it is the most logical thing to do; therefore, it is correct. They have to try the vets first to see what they got, and if they don’t get it done, then try out the rooks. In the meantime, the rooks get to continue polishing their tools in MiLB until their time comes up.

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    • Camden453

      2 years ago

      And if Vientos gets injured, or doesn’t hit? Then you don’t have Ruf. You have one less option

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    • solaris602

      2 years ago

      When Ruf is batting .140 on May 15, something will have to give. It’s a shame it will have to play out that way, or will the “too small a sample” narrative be employed to delay the inevitable? The guy sucks, and everybody knows it.

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      • Roll

        2 years ago

        @ solaris

        what if Ruf is cut and then signs with another team and is hitting .271 which is back to 2020-2021 levels while getting paid by the mets to do it and vientos is still hitting .167 and destroys his confidence. and send him back to the minors then ends up as another lucas duda / mike ford / greg bird ?

        I have said many times i am not a ruf fan but you either give him a shot or sign another veteran for a few weeks to be that last guy off the bench and give the young guys regular at bats in the minors. Vientos / Baty / Mauricio / Alvarez are not going to get better with 5 or 6 at bats a week if they are lucky. This is basically Ruf’s role right now Pham or McNeil will be the first ones in the outfield for days of rest with Guillorme filling in whatever spot they dont have escobar / mcneil at. Vogel will give Alonso rest and Ruf will be the 2nd or 3rd option off the bench depending on dh and giullorme assuming no injuries of course. Even then i think one of the young kids would be ahead of ruf since it would be regular play time.

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        • solaris602

          2 years ago

          I’m just saying that Ruf is not the answer. Not advocating for Vientos making the opening day roster. Any number of OFs available in the next few days as teams pare their rosters would be a better option.

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        • Roll

          2 years ago

          gotcha understand … sounded like you were saying cut Ruf and bring up Vientos to basically sit on the bench .. my mistake

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  3. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    Baty will be a big time factor by May

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    • Dogham

      2 years ago

      Can he close out games? Apparently not ready for the big time at 3B.

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    • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

      2 years ago

      Mets have a couple of hidden weapons. They’re good & they’ll be back again. I’m thinkin’ its going to be a very competitive season.

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      • JackStrawb

        2 years ago

        It’s not football, though. Hiding those weapons can have a real, and high cost.

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        • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

          2 years ago

          I get you @JackStrawb, Braves also buried a couple of young weapons that was perplexing.
          However they could be brought up later on & help put their team over the edge (i.e. Michael Harris 2022)

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  4. Samuel

    2 years ago

    Since it’s the large market Mets, bet we won’t see a flood of posts about them sending down Baty, Vientos, and Álvarez as “service time manipulation”. Which always happens when a small market team sends down players for the same reasons – they’re not ready and need to work on some things.

    A double standard – epidemic in the cancel culture we live in.

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    • davidk1979

      2 years ago

      Makes no sense

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      • User 3595123227

        2 years ago

        Sam is crazy. Everyone knows it.

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      • bronxmac77

        2 years ago

        Drives you Baty.

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      • Samuel

        2 years ago

        davidk1979;

        How long have you been reading comments on MLBTR?

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    • jakec77

      2 years ago

      Umm, the Cubs are a big market and I recall a bit of a kerfuffle when they sent down Kris Bryant.

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      • bronxmac77

        2 years ago

        Fans should muffle their kerfuffle about as truffle shuffle, unless it’s about Tim Teufel.

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    • metslvt17

      2 years ago

      There’s a difference. The guys in the majors are simply better. Escobar had a tough year, but even a tough year by his standards aren’t terrible. And his 2020 was great. Why would a contending team choose to roll with a rookie who didn’t have much success in his abbreviated stint last year? It’s not like the Mets are choosing to play scrubs over elite prospects talent

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      • hiflew

        2 years ago

        Exactly. It is not usually a good thing to be a top prospect with a good team. Either you are getting traded or likely being stuck on the farm unless there is an injury. A top prospect for the Pirates pretty much knows he will get multiple shots to prove himself, but sometimes a good team just doesn’t have the time to give the prospect the chance to grow.

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      • Gratefuljim

        2 years ago

        Baty is Elite. Star with an Olerued swing and more power. I saw him up close in AZ fall league

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        • Dorothy_Mantooth

          2 years ago

          I truly wonder what the Mets would have done with Baty & Vientos if the Correa deal had gone through. It seemed like Correa was targeted for 3B since Lindor has the SS spot locked down for another 4-5 seasons. Baty is too big to play 2B so I guess they could have moved Correa to 2B, installed Baty at 3B and allowed Vientos to platoon with Alonzo at 1B & DH. It’s all a moot point now but I never really understood the Correa contract with NY unless they intended to trade Baty:

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        • Roll

          2 years ago

          @dorothy

          From the sound of it the marlins and mets had been talking about baty and carrasco. Whether that a combo trade or not i dont think was ever said or if anything really got going. If that didnt happen below are my thoughts.

          I think Vientos was not really in the plans for this year other than injury replacement.. I think he would have gotten dh duties at the end of the season and would probably take over that role next year that vogel had this year. with vogel being non-tendered next year.

          With Baty if they signed correa baty was moving to the outfield in the minors and see how well he adapted there and bring him in as rotational for the outfield towards end of season and dh spots or move mcneil to the of and baty to 2nd. Preference would be mcneil at 2nd as him and lindor seemed to be playing well together. With next year which ever one was better would taking over for Canha. Conha has a club option for next year.

          Im more curious what happens to Mauricio now. Will they move him to 2nd and move McNeil to the outfiled or maybe have Maurico learn to play outfield. I assume Alonso gets extended and lindor is locked in for short for a while, mcneil signed his extension, and baty is your 3b for the future.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          There were never any plans to put Baty at 2B. He’s never played there. He isn’t even good enough to be thought of as a likely 3Bman, never mind the speed and dexterity required of the 6′-3 210lb kid at 2B. Not going to happen.

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    • Bk11235 2

      2 years ago

      Alvarez was poor hitting late season and in spring training and his glove not ready. Vientos was awful in his cup of coffee. Baty was ok and solid this spring. All need work! No service time manipulation here.

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      • Gratefuljim

        2 years ago

        Got a bridge in Brooklyn I’ll sell ya rights too. Eppler is manipulative of his status for poor decisions with almost unlimited cash. He stinks.

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  5. Braves_saints_celts

    2 years ago

    No hate from a braves fan here, but why option both of them? They are both way better than ruf. Maybe take a flier on Luke Voit to replace him? Any of those 3 would be way better than ruf, and shoot even maybe keston hiura would possibly be better than ruf, plus he’s younger and worth a shot, ruf is not aging gracefully in the game that’s for sure.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      2 years ago

      Service time.

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      • Braves_saints_celts

        2 years ago

        Just like the braves did with grissom. I understand bottom feeders doing that, but teams that should be contending should always field the best possible team, not keep players that will provide nothing just to get one more year of a players control. It’s pathetic in my opinion.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          I don’t think Baty stood out above Escobar yet, but still surprised.

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        • Braves_saints_celts

          2 years ago

          I agree, but they sure did stand out above ruf who will get a decent amount of dh reps. Vientos or baty would provide way better offense playing dh than ruf would.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          Maybe they just want them playing full time for development purposes instead of being relegated to DH, but yeah…I agree with you. I want Baty up there instead of Ruf.

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        • Sid Bream Speed Demon

          2 years ago

          Grissom didn’t get sent down to manipulate his service time. Do some research before puking out incorrect points, he wouldn’t even be a rookie this year because of how much he played last year. They would have to keep him down until June or July to gain a year. They just seem to like keeping as many players in the system as possible, and he had options.

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    • geofft

      2 years ago

      OK, I am NOT trashing the prospects, I’m just trying to shed some light and reality on [what I feel are} misconceptions:
      Are they better than Ruf at this point in time? What have they done against major league pitching that demonstrates that? All of Baty’s offense this spring came the first two weeks when minor leaguers were still doing a lot of the pitching. Over the past two weeks, he’s collected all of one hits in 18 or so ABs. . He’s had all of two extra-base hits in 40 ABs all spring and a 29% strike out rate to go with that lack of power. Vientos has actually had a better spring, start to finish, than Baty has. But he’s also struck out 38% of the time. The Mets had expressed concerns about his pitch recognition in the off-season, and those concerns seem to be real.
      Again, not trashing the prospects. It just seems like the Mets are right, and these players do, in fact, need more time in the minors.
      As for Ruf, yeah, he stunk for the Mets last year, and again this spring. But the Mets have Pham (.784 OPS vs lefties last year) on as another option and are not dependant on Ruf for that role. And its still too early to say that Ruf can’t or won’t get closer to form as the season progresses. He did have some swelling in his hand earlier this spring and hasn’t gotten the 40-50 ABs that (Terry Collins says) veterans usually need to get into form.

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      • Hammerin' Hank

        2 years ago

        Ruf was bad on the Mets last year, but he should at least somewhat bounce back to the player he was with the Giants for the previous couple of seasons. He was a very good with an OPS+ of 143 in 2021, with most of his success of course coming against left handed pitching.

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        • mumsy01

          2 years ago

          Ruf is a completely old POS waste of space. Horrible trade and gutless decision by the team brass. Gutless.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          2 years ago

          His run with the Giants was a bit magical and somewhat unexpected. This was a guy who was out of the MLB completely not too long ago. It’s not a given that he has a season like that again.

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        • sheagoodbye

          2 years ago

          I think the hope is less that and more that he can passably hold down the fort until the kids are deemed seasoned enough in a month or two.

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      • Gratefuljim

        2 years ago

        He was 2 hits, 2 bb, last 13 AB.
        Hit .325 for spring. He has Olerueds swing and mor power
        Future star.

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  6. baseballnerd20

    2 years ago

    Vientos struck out around 40% of his at AB’s this spring. I’m guessing that’s why he was sent down. The Baty thing perplexes me. No doubt Escobar better serves the Mets in a utility role at this point in his career. Baty is a beast.

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    • metslvt17

      2 years ago

      He had a terrible experience last year in the majors and didn’t make a big impact this spring. Don’t bring him up and bench/platoon him. They think it’s better to get him regular ABs in the minors than getting half the at bats in the majors, and I can’t help but to agree. Call him when we need him or when he’s ready to help this team win. Nothing we have seen gives us reason to believe he can do that at this point in his progression

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    • BeforeMcCourt

      2 years ago

      It perplexes you but you also understand the reasoning?

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      • gbs42

        2 years ago

        The Baty move perplexed him, while he understands the Vientos decision.

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    • Camden453

      2 years ago

      Typical High K, low BABIP guy, with no defense. Vientos is not a legitimate prospect as far as I’m concerned

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  7. User 401527550

    2 years ago

    Both of them should be on the roster. Ruf should be let go and vogelbach traded. Two roster spots for DH players is dumb. Escobar, Baty, and Vientos are all better options to DH.

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  8. geofft

    2 years ago

    Baty was a beast for the first two weeks of spring, when minor leaguers are getting a lot of time on the mound. Over the past two weeks, with big leaguers on the mound, he’s had one hit in 15 or 20 ABs. When he has made contact, it hasn’t been very hard. But his hot start got everyone so hyped up about him, that they’ve been blinded to his non-performing these past two weeks.

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    • Gratefuljim

      2 years ago

      Last 13 AB 2 hits 2 walks
      4 for 13 on base, hit 325 for entire spring. Pretty good to me.

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      • Roll

        2 years ago

        so to put that in context for spring training purposes

        baty 2 hits 2 walks 5 strikeouts no extra base hits.

        ruf 3 hits 1 walk with a double and 2 strikeouts in his last 11

        so if 4 of 13 is pretty good does that make 4 for 1`1 pretty steller? and no i dont want Ruf.

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      • JackStrawb

        2 years ago

        Baty’s ST slugging is BA dependent and very poor, given what was hoped for. .425, 2 XBH in 50 PA. That doesn’t impress.

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  9. cpdpoet

    2 years ago

    As a lifelong Mets hater, I feel for the injuries. And as a Phillies fan can understand minor league guys not panning out….The recent list for hitters is too long…..
    My question stems from the basis that some players are not mentally ready to break camp and produce. (kris bryant league aside)
    What kind of player is Baty? Have read a ton about his potential and I can grab his bbal ref stuff…
    Just curious…

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    • Gratefuljim

      2 years ago

      Baty is the guy that would out hit for power and average Rhys Hoskins.

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  10. Doug

    2 years ago

    Both are better than the mediocrity of Escobar, Ruf and Vogelbach, but the front office has to justify their acquisitions from last year I guess.

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    • Samuel

      2 years ago

      Not the point Doug.

      Players that are brought up to the major leagues before they’re ready often take years to recover from the experience and get their careers back on line….IF they get their careers back on-line. Players have been ruined by being brought up too early, and any experienced FO person has not only has seen it, they’ve got gobs of data showing it.

      1. MLB is not Rotisserie League.

      2. Organizations that have players on the cusp of making the majors have spent money to sign them as well as laid out money for years to pay for the farm system teams along with manages / coaches to bring those players along. In short, they have a large investment in each one and want to maximize their return for the 6 years they control their rights. Most players don’t hit the majors playing at their peak, so there’s still development to go. But there are some aspects of their play that they have to be at an ML level at to be brought up to start a season.

      3. Anyone following the public media prospect rankings notes how players from large market teams seem to be favored. While the 3 Mets players at issue are surely quality prospects, it may well be that they’re being overrated and the large market fans are basing their expectations on that.

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      • expired

        2 years ago

        You’re drunk, Samuel – go home.

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      • Gratefuljim

        2 years ago

        Not at all. Baty has perennial all-star in that bat. Sweetest swing since Olerued with power.

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    • Gratefuljim

      2 years ago

      On point Doug, Eppler justifications.

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  11. Camden453

    2 years ago

    Calm down casuals they’re just stashing depth at AAA. And besides, Escobar is the vastly superior 3B right now because of his defense

    You don’t want shaky Baty out there at 3B believe me

    Enough prospect worshipping. It’s embarrassing. Not every prospect will be a superstar

    Vientos has a very low chance of sticking in the league

    If you think Baty should start over Escobar then you just don’t get it

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    • DarkSide830

      2 years ago

      People forget the dude was an All Star as recently as 2021. I get the Ruf and Vogelbach belaboring, but NYM has good reason to want Baty, Vientos, and Escobar all starting. At the very least one of the former two would need to go down for this to happen, and as I noted previously, there is reason to not fully trust either to start in the Majors yet.

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    • Gratefuljim

      2 years ago

      Ok expert, when Baty hits 285 with 25 homers you can eat crow.

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  12. DarkSide830

    2 years ago

    Neither Baty nor Vientos has proven they are MLB-ready. There is also no clear starting spot for either. Baty in particular has scant AAA experience. But yeah, it’s ALWAYS a service time thing (and either way, they have every right to do it).

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    • Gratefuljim

      2 years ago

      Baty looks awesome, was MVP of az fall league, led spring training hitters so not sure what guy your looking at
      Swings like Olerued with power

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      • Roll

        2 years ago

        2 for 18 against the actual major league pitchers towards the end of spring is different than at the beginning of spring when pitchers are trying out new things and you are mostly facing minor leaguers auditioning.

        also 7 for 38 last year isnt blazing. I think he will be a great bat but needs more seasoning and hopefully ends up like chipper jones or others. I would rather bring him up slowly and the right way instead of push the square peg into the circle hole especially with the way NY media tears up people. .

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        • Gratefuljim

          2 years ago

          Good points, I just believe this kid will be great and my scouting job is on the line with alderson when I wanted to keep Turner.

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      • GooseGoslinGuy

        2 years ago

        How many times do we have to look at the misspelling of Olerud??

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      • sheagoodbye

        2 years ago

        Yes, and every prospect who ever “looked awesome” and did well in the AZ Fall League was guaranteed to make a big, immediate impact in the big leagues.

        Baty will be up soon enough, particularly if Escobar struggles. I don’t get why everyone is in a rush to see him on Day 1 when there’s no indication he’s a clear, significant upgrade over him, and particularly when service time is a factor

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  13. LFGMets (Metsin7)

    2 years ago

    I’d rather the Mets get rid of Ruf and Vogelbach and use Mauricio and Veintos as DH options with Baty playing outfield/3rd with Escobar playing outfield/3rd. Silly Eppler strikes again, worst GM in all of sports. Hes still trying to get production out of these bums so he can look better in the eyes of the fans for his history bad trade deadline moves from last year

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    • Roll

      2 years ago

      and who would be the other player you would cut because by my math you cut 2 (ruf and vogelbach) and adding 3 (vientos, mauricio and baty) ? Also what do you do with mendick since he should be back soon.

      I have no love lost for Ruf (older has no real spot other than 6th/7th of and being the 3rd/4th in line to play 1b with a pretty bad bat)

      Vogelbach im willing to give a chance as he is your primary backup at 1st cut down weight a lot (shows drive to me) and still in his prime years. He didnt have power this spring and maybe that is due to weight loss not sure, but give him a few weeks to see if he comes around is not killer especially with showing some power last year.

      None of the others really blew me away so i would say they could use the regular at bats rather than platoon (probably short end) and play maybe 1 or 2 times a week instead of regular everyday starts in the minors and some confidence builders. .

      I would personally cut Ruf loose and sign Voit/Hiura/Gurreil or someone with some power that can play first to rest alonso but preferably also other places to be your bench bet and minimum dollars that is expendable. Then re-evaluate these young guys in a month. Lets be honest Ruf’s spot is your 26th person thats going to be changing constantly.

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      • Gratefuljim

        2 years ago

        Mendick stinks. As does LoCastro.

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        • Roll

          2 years ago

          what does lacastro have to do with anything he is a non roster invitee on a minor league deal brought in for minor league depth in case of injuries to CF. He is not even on the 40 man.

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    • CleaverGreene

      2 years ago

      Glad you’re not the GM. Which players did he miss out on last July and what would the cost have been?

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      • Robrock30

        2 years ago

        SCarton12,

        How about Josh Bell & Juan Soto at the deadline and Jose Abreu during the offseason?

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        • LFGMets (Metsin7)

          2 years ago

          @SCarton12 Josh Hader was traded for practibly nothing. Juan Soto and Josh Bell were easily tradable for the Mets. I mean Abrams, Hassell, and Gore could have easily been Baty, Ramirez, Allen, and Peterson. There were other needs that the Mets needed such as catcher (Wilson Contreras), DH (JD Martinez), more relief (Bass, Cimber, Duplier, Bednar). All thesw guys and more were available. If these Met prospects are so great, all these players were realistical for them

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        • Robrock30

          2 years ago

          Mets talking out of both sides of their mouths lol.

          Their prospects are too valuable to trade to go all in which they needed to do, yet they are not ready for prime time for opening day 2023 because of Eduardo Escobar and Darin Ruf. Mets FO is blowing smoke up Mets fans asses but the fans are too astute.

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        • LFGMets (Metsin7)

          2 years ago

          @Robrock30 I 100% agree. Why keep these prospects if you arent going to play them? There was a superstar available at the deadline in Juan Soto. Ohtani was basically up for grabs too. All these prospects are what ifs. If you have the ability to win a world series, you think about the future later. I’d rather win a World Series and then be bad the next 5 years over being mediocre for the next 10. The front office is being run by a guy that has no idea what he is doing, except for managing to give out the worst contracts in baseball

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      • Robrock30

        2 years ago

        Hunter Renfroe is another miss

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  14. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    2 years ago

    Just some service time manipulation with Baty. All the teams do it to some extent.

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    • Sid Bream Speed Demon

      2 years ago

      I think they are just trying to not expose the prospects before trading them for big league help, but I could be wrong. None of them did anything last year in the majors or in the spring to justify being anywhere other than AAA.

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      • Gratefuljim

        2 years ago

        Do you watch baseball. Baty is future star, tore up rookie league and was great this spring. It’s about the 10 mil going to Escobar, the 7 mil to tham the 2 mil to Vogel and the 3 to Ruf. While Quintanna collects his 15 rehabbing.

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    • Gratefuljim

      2 years ago

      For sure on that and Eppler saving face on Ruf, Vogel and tham.

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  15. Gratefuljim

    2 years ago

    Eppler said they are looking for complete, championship ball players. Hitting, running, defense and throwing. He wants us to believe that Vogelbach and Ruf are more complete than Baty and Vientos? This GM is the guy who signed Ruf, Tham and Vogelsnack and Quintanna and replaced deGrom with Scherzer
    Sorry but this GM, with almost unlimited resources is a joke.

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    • Roll

      2 years ago

      Ruf and Vogel were traded for

      Pham and Quintana were signed you are correct

      Verlander was signed to replace deGrom … Scherzer was signed to co-exist with deGrom or whoever his replacement was.

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      • Gratefuljim

        2 years ago

        All terrible moves sans Verlander

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      • phenomenalajs

        2 years ago

        They were not “traded” for Pham. Pham is the fourth/platoon outfielder. Vogelbach and Ruf will resume sharing DH duties until they enter slumps like Canó had to start last season in which case one or both will be DFA’d.

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  16. In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

    2 years ago

    Manipulate that service time! The Mets are the good guys for once…

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  17. bobbyvwannabe

    2 years ago

    I was most impressed with Mauricio this spring. I kind of wanted him to get a shot at DH with his blend of raw power and speed. I think he’s athletic enough to play third base second base centerfield probably the corners in the outfield. Baty will be a solid contributor at some point this season. Vientos looks like an average major-league player. Back up first baseman DH type. Alvarez definitely needs more seasoning. Is he a perennial all star like I read everywhere I’m not so sure.

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    • CleaverGreene

      2 years ago

      DH a kid that plays a decent SS?

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  18. Tomas7

    2 years ago

    Baty will be back soon, he can rake and can handle 3B real well, time will tell.

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  19. phenomenalajs

    2 years ago

    If it’s between Ruf and Mendick, it will be Ruf regardless of what the general consensus of the public is because Mendick has minor league options remaining. Ruf will get another shot as the right-handed DH. If his play resembles Canò’s play from the first month last year, he will be DFA’d.

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  20. GarryHarris

    2 years ago

    Spring must not mean anything. Batty, Vientos, Peraza and Stewart are doing well while Volgelbach, Ruff, Mendick and Pham are terrible.

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    • GarryHarris

      2 years ago

      Escobar on the terrible list

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  21. Robrock30

    2 years ago

    Lol Mets.

    The Mets FO is living in alternate reality while passionate Mets fans see reality Obviously the Mets trading deadline didn’t go well picking up Vogelbach & Ruf to be their platoon DH and the Mets choked down the stretch like they have in the past.
    But they are stubborn and sticking to their game plan rather than admit failure. ST results continue to show the folly in this but they are wearing blinders. Ruf should have no role on this team now but alas he is still here like a rotting corpse.

    The Mets have better options with their highly touted prospects especially Baty & Vientos who produced in ST. That has no meaning though as the Mets refuse to budge. Fans are now in rage that Baty isn’t the 3B and Vientos DH.

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    • Robrock30

      2 years ago

      Furthermore,

      Mets down the stretch were offensively challenged especially in the power area. The only offensive additions they made during the offseason were Omar Narvaez C and Tommy Pham OF. This isn’t cutting it on a team with a $ 350 MM payroll. Am I right? Pham adds more clutter to the roster as he didn’t look good during ST either.

      The Mets also refuse to budge on Eduardo Escobar at 3B who hasn’t looked great at 3B and offensively as opposed to Baty who was just relegated. Too many sacred cows on this Mets roster will spoil the team in my opinion and Mets nation. Where is the meritocracy?

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      • Camden453

        2 years ago

        The addition of Vogelbach clogged the offense. You need some speed at every position. They were better with Davis I think

        I get that they become the chase rate machine with Vogelbach. The lineup is tough to get through. But at the same time, Vogelbach is not really an RBI bat and lack of speed is a big liability

        I know Davis had problems, but he was more of an RBI guy and he had some speed

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        • Robrock30

          2 years ago

          Camden453,

          You are preaching to the choir on this. Two years now the Mets don’t have a real DH to plug in since the rule was adopted in the NL.

          Cano ( although he had an MLB HOF track record until the cheating ) and then the platoon of Dom Smith ( should have drafted Aaron Judge back then like the fans I was talking to wanted ) and JD Davis and then their deadline trades for Vogelbach & Ruf ( not a true solution since these are highly limited players ) They really dropped the ball this offseason and should have prioritized a true DH when Jose Abreu and others were available. Poor job by Mets FO and they are Alderson & Jeff Wilpon stubborn once again.

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  22. Camden453

    2 years ago

    Vientos is the most overrated prospect like ever. High-K, low babip, can’t play defense anywhere. Bat speed is slow, long swing, timid in front of the lights

    I said the day he was drafted that it was an embarrassment to waste a 2nd round pick for that

    Who literally sits there and says ok with our second round pick we’re going to go with Mark Vientos and his raw power

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  23. CptJack

    2 years ago

    You know, it’s permissible—if not preferable—to start your sentence with ‘meanwhile” instead of throwing it in the center and interrupting its flow.

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