TODAY: Speaking with Erik Boland and other reporters today, Boone suggested that Bader will need around six weeks of recovery time, so the outfielder will likely miss the first three weeks of the season.
MARCH 10: Yankees center fielder Harrison Bader has been diagnosed with a strained left oblique, manager Aaron Boone tells Newsday’s Erik Boland (Twitter link). There’s no timetable for his return just yet, but Bader is likely to begin the season on the injured list.
It’s yet another injury blow to a Yankees club that has been beset by health troubles this spring. The Yankees announced just yesterday that all three of Carlos Rodon, Lou Trivino and Tommy Kahnle will open the season on the injured list. Right-hander Frankie Montas, meanwhile, underwent shoulder surgery earlier in camp and is expected to miss the majority of the 2023 season.
Bader’s injury leaves the Yankees without a true center fielder, though both Aaron Hicks and Aaron Judge have ample experience at the position. Judge was the preferred option in center last year prior to Bader’s acquisition and activation from the injured list.
The injury will also likely lead to more outfield time for Giancarlo Stanton, which has already been under discussion. Utilityman Oswaldo Cabrera, who’d been vying for playing time in left field, figures to see an uptick of action in the corners as well. Further down the depth chart, Bader’s absence could lead to increased looks for former top prospect Estevan Florial or perhaps for non-roster invitees Rafael Ortega and/or Willie Calhoun. Ortega, in particular, is a capable center fielder.
It’s a tough start to the year for Bader, who hoped for a healthier 2023 season after a lengthy bout with plantar fasciitis limited him to just 86 games in 2022. The Yankees acquired Bader even while he was on the injured list — sending lefty Jordan Montgomery to the Cardinals — with an eye toward the postseason and toward 2023. Bader struggled through 49 plate appearances down the stretch after being activated in September, but he caught fire during the postseason, batting .333/.429/.833 with five home runs in just 35 plate appearances.
At his best, the 28-year-old Bader is a flat-out elite defender in center field with above-average pop. His offensive profile has changed over the years, as his high-walk and high-strikeout tendencies have given way to more balls in play but fewer walks and, in 2022, less power.
Overall, Bader is a career .245/.317/.405 hitter (97 wRC+), and while injuries have routinely been a problem — in part due to the reckless abandon with which he plays defense — he has clear 20-homer upside if he can remain healthy. Bader’s defensive ratings slipped in 2022, which is perhaps not surprising for a center fielder dealing with a foot injury, but through 3579 career innings in center field, he’s posted 38 Defensive Runs Saved and an even more massive 50 Outs Above Average.
The injury is also unfortunate for Bader on a personal level, as he was surely hoping to play a full slate of games in what will be his final season before reaching the open market as a first-time free agent. A mostly healthy season from Bader could still position him as the top center fielder in what’ll be a thin market at the position next winter. Other center fielders up for free agency include Cody Bellinger, Michael A. Taylor and Enrique Hernandez.
Seems unusual to not have an associated grade level with the strain.
perhaps it’s a post-secondary sprain
He’s always hurt. His playoff run last year was great but he’s less reliable than Kevin Kiermeier or so it seems.
dewey – On the Greatest All-Injured Team, who gets CF? Bader or Ellsbury?
Is Fragile Freddy Lynn in the conversation?
Buxton and Grady Sizemore also need consideration for All-Injured CFer.
Quick question: who will play more games in 2023, Bader or Buxton?
It was just a pass/fail strain.
It was a C …but since he’s a Yankee, and they’re graded on a curve, it’s now a B+
But he still would like an extension
Of his leg?
Suddenly lots of free time to work out the details.
Good luck Yankee fans, you’ll get used to it
It just means he fits right in with most of the rest of the team.
More and more excuses for Cashman on why the Yankees don’t win the World Series.
This mindset is part of the problem. A huge amount of resources are tied up in long contracts and Hal refuses to pay luxury tax. They can’t afford to “go big” every off-season and trade deadline unless they find a way to unload some of the money owed to Donaldson and Hicks.
They spend enough money.
Maybe it’s about time the players do their jobs.
Hicks, and Donaldson in particular, are both aging and injury prone. You can’t overcome reality by shouting “do your job”. You want to capitalize on the window provided by Judge and Cole? Great, we all do. So start by unloading some contracts and plugging holes on the roster.
If Hal is cheap, Cashman refuses to incorporate that fact and spends like the GM of a team willing to cross the luxury tax threshold. He isn’t and ownership hasn’t been shy about making it known.
BS. Hicks is 33.
If that’s aging, then they never should have signed Judge anyway since according to you, he’d be finished in a few years.
Injury prone? yes, aging? Donaldson is and Hicks is aging like he is 40 even though he is still young.
Unloading those contracts is a lot easier on a discussion board than in reality…maybe the “do your job” mantra is more applicable than you thi k?
Exactly. As if there’s a bunch of teams clamoring to trade for Hicks or Donaldson.
The game’s played at a faster pace and player’s frequently breakdown at earlier ages. I don’t hold out any hope for an injury prone 33 year old rebounding and neither should you.
Then eat a portion of the contract to get him off the roster. Has hoping for a rebound and insisting the players “do their jobs” worked up to this point? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
No it hasn’t worked… but what other option is there?
what’s your point?
They eat a few million for Hicks and then what?
What would you do with that money? What’s the difference-making solution ?
You clearly didn’t want Judge back either so…
dankyank
Then eat a portion of the contract to get him off the roster.
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But what does that get you? Let’s say you get rid of Hicks by eating $6M of his contract. The $6M stick counts against your outlay. And then you need to replace him on the roster, and say that costs $3M for a player of equal ability.
All you’ve done is replace $9M in talent with $9M in talent.
Teams overpay to keep the face of the franchise. If you can’t make a distinction between what Judge and Hicks mean to this franchise, that’s a you problem.
It explains how the Yankees need to have good years from their youngsters.
I’m not making a distinction about ability, it’s about age since apparently 33 is aging in your opinion. So if you think they only have two or three good years out of Judge….
Btw, you criticize, but when asked about a solution…. It’s silence. Anyone can be a critic.
Judge will be finished in a few years.
Judge is coming off a career year. Hicks played over 100 games last season for the first time since 2018 and had one of the worst slash lines of his career. The physical decline is real, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
And if you want a trade partner, why not look to sf and their glut of outfielders? Or the Guardians and Will Brennan and pay down the difference in salaries? Or the Cardinals who have several outfield prospects? The team would undoubtedly be eating major dollars, no one disputes that.
Btw, you may want to read the Jason Kipnis chat. The same Jason Kipnis who retired at 34, after a string of injuries, because in his own words, the sport is now a young man’s game and his body no longer performed the way it used to.
You’re not reading well. I’m simply stating that Hicks sucks, has nothing to do with aging. I’m not backing his credentials! There are plenty of players more than serviceable at 33.
Great, finally have some trade targets. Now ask yourself…. Why the hell would these teams want Hicks? So you’re high on Brennan, why would they give playing time to Hicks instead ?
It’s not Cashmans’ fault, the Tigers are idiots.
The Tigers should have taken both, for the right price in prospects.
You’re unwilling to hear the message. Pitchers throw harder and the game is played at a higher intensity than even 20 years ago. Injuries are up and career tenures are down. These are the indisputable facts. I can’t force you to like them.
Hicks had one of his healthier seasons last year and one of the worst slash lines of his career. That would suggest a decline since the human body recovers slower with age.
Perhaps draft picks can be added to sweeten the pot. Or swing a multiplayer deal. Those 3 teams are hardly the only ones with potential outfield gluts.
The team is under enormous pressure to win now with Judge and Cole on the roster. I think we can both agree it won’t happen with Hicks in the lineup.
You know what’s even easier than being a critic? Saying no to everything reflexively.
Only 33? Seems like he’s been around forever. What is he in dog years?
You’re just not making sense, sorry.
Hicks is just a bad player, it’s not age. When he was 26, he had a horrible year. Was that age too?
He literally hasn’t been good for 5 years.
On one hand, you say baseball players are over the hill at 33. But yet now you’re ok with the nine year Judge contract for a guy who is about to turn 31.
Which is it?
Freddie Freeman is 33. I’m expecting him to just fall off the cliff this year lol
You’re being obtuse. A) Injuries diminish a player’s performance and B) even accounting for injuries, Hick’s floor has drifted downward over the course of his career. His two best seasons, by far, were age 27 and 28
Player’s routinely trade AAV for guaranteed years. The player’s agree since it gives them the guaranteed money they want. Ownership agrees because it helps to mitigate luxury tax bills.
Talk about warped priorities. You’re apparently the only Yankee fan who disagrees it was priority number one to retain Judge. But when it comes to Hicks, a player you state “is just a bad player” suddenly it’s ride or die.
Because he also has a lengthy injury history? Because 1b is as physically demanding as center field? Do us all a favor and speak clearly.
The body recovers slower from injury with age. It’s a very simple concept.
You’re wrong. He hasn’t “drifted downward”, he’s been terrible for 4 years in a row. That’s not an age issue, it’s an ability issue. See how Donaldson completely collapsed last year offensively ? THATS AN AGE ISSUE, not a guy completely sucking since he was 29. (Or being terrible for few years before he was 27)
Your point about physical demand is hysterical!
Hicks is never healthy enough to play that many games to be THAT worn down!
And stick to what I actually say, not make stuff up— like your comments on Judge.
It’s like having a conversation with two people.
One guy: “Hicks is 33, he’s over the hill because of age and physical limitations from wear and tear.It’s just natural”
Same guy: “they had to sign Judge at 31, to a long contract— just forget about what I said about age and natural physical limitations.”
Also, same guy: “Hicks is so horrible , but I can’t believe Cashman didn’t trade him for the Guardians 10th best prospect! Just throw in a few draft picks. That makes total sense.” Enjoy your life on Fantasy Island!
Btw, Mr Expert…. Only competitive balance picks can be traded. This isn’t the NFL lol
2017 -.847 OPS
2018 -.833 OPS
2019 -.769 OPS
2020 -.793 OPS
2021 -.642 OPS
2022 -.627 OPS
That sure looks like a steady drift downward to me. And as we both know, teams have historically been reluctant to sign players in their mid 30s to long term deals since the body breaks down, particularly player’s with injury history. At the age of 32 Hicks was unable to sustain the same level of play over 130 games as at age 28.
And for someone who demands solutions, just what was your alternative for keeping Judge? I’ve already explained the contract length
And why are you so resigned to keeping Hicks, who you maintain “is just a bad player?”. Your logic is all over the place since we both agree a championship caliber team can’t carry Hicks’ output.
I’m sure you also know the last time Donaldson’s output was anywhere close to his MVP season was 2019. Not to mention he’s suffered injuries in the past 3 seasons. Way to prove my point further.
The key point that you’re unwilling to comprehend is that Hicks has stopped bouncing back FROM INJURY at the age of 33. Judge doesn’t have anything close to the same injury history. Judge just won an MVP. 2 years make a difference at the highest level of competition in the sport. The contract length prevented the team from crossing another luxury tax threshold.l, which would have effectively raised his cost even further Will Brennan is ticketed for 4th outfielder duty. Valera and Delauter both have higher ceilings. How many more inconvenient facts do you need?
You guys need a room.
You just undermined your own argument and not astute enough to even notice…
Hicks OPS drop from .769 to .627 over 4 years isn’t some massive downturn since…. He was terrible to begin with!
I never once spoke about wanting to keep Hicks. I’m just realistic and understand , unlike you, that there is no market. Also, I know that you can’t trade draft picks to entice a team to do that.
Donaldson OPS over last 5 years: 920, 900, 842, 827 to…….. 682 (at 36 years old). That’s what an aging ball player looks like. See the difference? A good player just dropping off the map in one year.
Ok you’re not recognizing your own hypocrisy so let me just break it down to this:
1) you stated the game is different and that ball players (not just Hicks) are basically washed up at 33. You mentioned Kipnis, a guy who didn’t suffer from aging or have an extensive injury history.
2) you’re happy with Judge’s contract at 31, even though he does have an extensive injury history. Just not as bad as Hicks.
3) you somehow see Brennan as a difference maker for the Yankees this year and unbelievably think the Yankees can get him for Hicks , and draft picks (even though rules prevent it).
A large amount of players fall off around age 33. Another chunk make it longer and another smaller bit make it to 40.
You guys are all missing the point. Players don’t age that much. The opposition adjusts. They’re not runners where you can look simply at their times and conclude they’re slowing down. Yes, their physiology does change as they age but they also gain in other ways that help them play the game better. It’s the players who can adjust their approach that age well. The game becomes a little more mental and a little less physical as you get older. Heck, there are players who drop off way before their physical prime years because they don’t adjust well after the opposition has figured them out.
The game has always been fast. I performed a study in the late 00s. Throughout MLB history, the average age most players have their last good performing year is age 33-34. There are anomalies. Some start early and are finished by 27 like Freddie Lindstrom and countless pitchers. Some start late but get better with time such as Sam Rice and Dazzy Vance. But we’re concerned with most players.
“Some of us are told at 18, some of us are told at 40, but we’re all told”
Hal, bite the bullet and sign Profar. It’s not going to cost any draft capital, just some luxury tax dollars that this team can easily afford. This is just the start of the injuries for this team. You’re going to have to go over the next threshold by the trade deadline anyhow.
You’re kidding, right. Assuming you’re not, I don’t have the exact numbers, but I’m sure that threshold will cost the Yankees in the neighborhood of $60mil. Is Profar alone worth $60mil for one season? As for deadline deals, Cashman’s trade history leaves much to be desired. The Yankees need good to great hitting. That’s not available. Even before the recent rash of injuries, their off-season was a failure. If there is any hope for this team, it lies in house with Jasson, Volpe, and Paraza. Perhaps Wells. That said, the Yankees are loathe to call up rookies to replace awful veterans that don’t help them win the AL Pennant. Either it’s silly stuff like service time backed up by the excuse to coddle their rookie position players. After IKF butchered SS against Cleveland. They called up Peraza only to bench him against the Astros. When asked to explain why, Boone said he wanted Peraza to absorb the playoff atmosphere or something to that effect. Cashman is awful at trades and extensions. Judge was the right move, but Cash allowed the situation to fester. Boone is a moron. Both recently git extended. Both are still here. That’s why I’m convinced the Yankees won’t ever win a WS so long that Hal owns the team.
No, you are only taxed at the higher rate for dollars above wach threshold. When you go over a threshold that has an attached penalty (draft picks, whatever) by $0.01, it matters. Going over this one by a bit does not matter.
Profar is not any better than Cabrera and others on the farm. He’s just not that good.
Why does a team need great hitting if they have strong pitching?
I’m not condoning all of Cashman’s moves, but he literally did nothing wrong with the Judge situation unless you want to question signing him at all, which would be a valid argument.
It’s not always Cashman’s fault when these guys don’t play to their potential, or even what they have done previously.
You just completely made up that $60M number. The next tier tax would only be imposed on the 2023 AAV for whatever he signs for. The 2023 salary and tax hit would be nowhere close to $60M. Try again with your made up numbers.
Cashman doesn’t control the purse, Hal does.
As a fan, I would care a lot more about the lost draft picks/lower draft picks than I would about the penalty. Don’t you?
@deGrom But there is no penalty left. The new highest “Cohen tax” level is *just* an increased rax rate.
I care way more about the draft picks etc, that’s why I don’t care about passing this level.
(That’s also why they obviously don’t care either. They feel they have spent enough and don’t want to spend more, which fair enough. But the top tax bracket is not a real thing, it just sounds better to the fans to say the CBA made us stop spending.)
Look at what happened to the Red Sox and Mets, though, for exceeding this level. Their picks were dropped.
The Sox dropped because of the first level they exceeded last year. I’m no tax guru but apparently for crossing the 4th level, the only penalty is financial at 90% for the little amount above it.
@degrom, this level is new, the Yanks would be the second team to pass it after the Mets. Never affected Sox, and this level is unlike others in that it has no penalties attached.
Or the $293 number is an ownership “understanding”. Hence the Mets being mentioned on multiple occasions by frustrated owners.
The Yanks have already forfeited all the picks they can lose under the luxury tax rules. Further spending will NOT cost them any more draft picks. Any more salary they take on will only cost them more luxury tax dollars- which they can easily afford. Hal is just being a tightwad.
Cabrera now with an everyday job is a good thing. Will show enough with Bader out and then Hicks will be done
The problem isn’t Hicks’ production so much as his salary when Hal refuses to go into luxury tax territory.
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What? Hal is already way, way into the luxury tax.
Grumble grumble grumble.
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Did you do that on an Etch-A-Sketch?
Yankees should just go sign Almora. His bat never attained the level I expected from him but a great glove and smart ballplayer. 3 position Of- Poor mans Jason Heyward.
Poor Man’s Jake Marisnick.
dear yankees
health is a skill. please stop signing and trading for players who do not possess this skill
thank you
DAY JAH VOO
He’s officially a Yankee
So the next injury report headline:
“Timmy Thompson felled by excessive intestinal gas/ flatulence, will open the season on IL, excluded from locker room. No firm date on his return. Related roster moves ripple through MLB. More to come.”
Oblique injuries seem all the rage this year..
I think Cashman has effectively been bracketed. Between Hal’s refusal to pay luxury tax and the fanbase’s incessant demands for big name acquisitions, it leaves very little room to graduate minor leaguers and cultivate depth. Hence the Rodon signing, which deprived them of the space to acquire needed outfield depth.
The Yankees could step back for a 2, 3 retool period and the playoff success would not be appreciably different
Between Hal’s refusal to pay luxury tax
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Hal is already way, way into the luxury tax.
I misspoke. Hal’s refusal to spend into the next tier.
Nice going cashman! Every acquisition since the deadline injured (Bader, Montas, Trivino, Effross, Rodon, Kahnle). Cashman has genuinely been the worst GM in baseball the past year and a half it’s actually crazy how bad just about all his moves except Holmes and Rizzo have turned out.
Yankees already in mid-season form!
Giancarlo Stanton waiting on deck for his IL stint
“Yankees center fielder has been diagnosed with a strained left oblique, manager Aaron Boone tells Newsday’s Erik Boland (Twitter link).”
Uh, you’re missing something big in that sentence. Also, you can start a sentence with the word meanwhile, it is allowed. Don’t be scared.
Who plays more games… Bader or Hicks?
Our hope is Bader, so it’ll definitely be Hicks.
Of course Hicks will remain healthy for the year, hit eight home runs again, drive-in 30 and hit at the Mendoza line, and Cashman will call it a successful season for him.
Gambled on injured players at the deadline and it didn’t pay off. It sucks to see as a prospect fan, because they had a ton of talented pitching depth. I honestly think CF will be fine until he gets back. I would put Florial or Oswaldo in CF depending on the matchup.
If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn’t be more surprised than I am now.
Three pitching injuries of varying levels and now Bader with an oblique injury, which is difficult to know how long he will be out. Yankees depth is going to be tested a lot early in the season good luck!
Don’t know if anyone has looked at their schedule but April looks to be their toughest month as well. With the injury bug hitting that clubhouse, they may being playing catch-up all year.
It’s going to be a long year for the Yankee fans
Long year= playoffs .
IKF is a bum. He’s a HUGE hole at SS and I’m the line up.
Hick’s 2 point 0 ? Perhaps a return to steroids for injured players ? Well at least they did not extend him yet. As long as Judge is okay, no problems there.
Yet…
I’m waiting for Hal to reward Cashman with part ownership from all of these fantastic moves.
It’s coming, it’s coming!
Diedrich Bader might be a more reliable long-term CF option for the Yankees than Harrison…
Fantastic comment lol
Yankees the same 2022 team !!!,,,same result.
Hicks down, Donaldson down, IKF down, Hickichioa down, Stanton down, Bader down, Rizzo down, Florial good bye.
Bader plays hard, gets hurt, always has get used to it or move on.
Looks like Balita will make the opening day roster. I think he could do surprisingly well, especially in NYS.
Ok there’s a lot of arguments on this thread but what I’m not seeing with the Cashman argument is
$6million to IKF For what?
Also Who the hell is reviewing the Medicals for this team??
Montas traded for was injured
Bader Traded for and injured (FOR Monty)
Effross, Rodon injured
Chapman and the tatto crap? And that’s just a few from last year and offseason….
Then there’s just the Yankee BS of service time manipulation
Perez’s, Volpe etc
You wanna stay under the luxury tax … fine … DFA the vets that aren’t performing, eat the contracts for the year cause no one is biting on trades, pay the luxury tax and admit you were wrong about them, reset the tax after next season and let the hungry kids play. Use the money to get a better scouting department and build from within. Then use your large market cash to buy a vet or two that’s proven AFTER your core is established circa Yankees 1996. Not like they don’t have the blueprint!
This risk assessment crap is ruing the game.
Clarification: Risk assessment as in … “Oh Oh we have a problem at shortstop but let’s sign a guy that won a gold glove at 3rd but can’t play short , refuse to offer him help at theSS position even when he asks for it, resign him for $6 mil which is completely unreasonable given the performance, all just because they’re scared of what?? A prospect getting spooked by the big lights of NYC? If they’re that fragile they got no business on the Majors to begin with (looking at you Clint Frazier) They either rise to the occasion or they flunk out … that’s any job, school, or self employment. Suck it up.
So, his extention will only be 7 years 150 million instead of 7 250 million? Poor player!
Translation: “I have no money so I am bitter towards those that do.”
Why are they gonna extend him after a bad year going into a year where he’s starting the season injured? He honestly isn’t that good. He has potential but he’s never even had 400ab. He is a career 245/ 317 avg/obp with just over a 400 slugging. We are talking replacement level production with a lack of health. I get he could be happy to be in NY but most players like it fine in STL so I don’t see why his production would be expected to increase much because of the change.
Jacoby Ellsbury on line one…
It sounds like the Yankees are down but they always find a way to stay relevant. Always. They’ll still win close to 90 games, if not more.
Listening to Yankees fans complain about lack of spending is ridiculous. Go complain to a Tampa Bay fan. Growing up a Braves fan I never complained (despite the fact that they probably should’ve had a higher payroll) because you are making the playoffs. So you haven’t won a world series in the last day or two….tis the life of a fan. I never even saw ATL win a playoff series for two decades so when there’s a drought cry me a river. Even then I was spoiled. Ask Seattle.
They’re mostly Yankees haters and RS fans in here.
For true Yankees fans, like me, it’s not an issue of spending enough. Rather, it’s an issue of not spending correctly. But, honestly, roster construction isn’t even the biggest challenge to Cashman & the Yankees. It’s the cumulative effect of all the decisions (trades, hires, retention, and acquisitions).
I’ll give you three examples of why the Yankees continue to fail in their quest for #28:
1) Decisions in management. Yankees need a leader and Aaron Boone, although well-liked, is a buddy, not a leader. Why Cashman passed in Rob Thompson, etc, etc, for Boone is confounding;
2) Decisions to forego positions of need for prospects, yet not trading those prospects for talent while also playing mediocre vets over those same prospects – see 2022 Yankees; and
3) Cashman’s notable poor trades (Donaldson/IKF, Montas/Trivino, Stanton, etc) while allocating key financial resources to those same players in lieu of acquiring a much better player for the same amount.
Yankees are a quality organization and they’re my favorite sports team. But, their commitment to certain people impedes their ability to be champions. For one example consider that Aaron Boone is the only MLB manager to ever receive a multi-year extension after not appearing in the World Series in one of his first four seasons (credit to the Pirates announcers who cited that trivia).
Gene Michael and Joe Torre did really well and stayed around for quite some time. They did not have a great track record before that, though Michael did not have much of a track record yet. I think continuity is worth something but needs to be examined here. It feels like the Cash Man is bulletproof.
I don’t remember the hype before players like Jeter, Posada, Mariano, Pettitte, Bernie were being called up. Nowadays, you read about what Volpe had for breakfast. Leave these guys alone and let them play their way onto the team. It’s organizational insecurity that these guys need so much attention.
Back in their championship run, they gleefully added players of dubious character, as PED cheaters were rewarded in spades for their tainted performance. These players were arguably already good but couldn’t resist the temptation of using drugs to help them maintain performance. Yes, they won, but it was questionable at best.
I think it’s gotten harder to identify successful players since the eradication of most PED use. Also, injuries are just becoming an epidemic in baseball. The demands on the body of the “modern game” with the race to 100 MPH pitches and ridiculous reaction time requirements has basically trashed the game.
Shocker
There’s always next year….
Bader, Rodon, Montas, Cortes, Kahnle… organizational failure as a training staff… every year.
Willie Calhoun sure seems to be happy to be a Yankee.