The Diamondbacks and Orioles are two of the clubs that have spoken with the Angels about Shohei Ohtani, should the Angels look to trade Ohtani prior to the deadline, MLB Network’s Jon Morosi writes (Twitter links). Since it is far from a foregone conclusion that Ohtani will be moved at all, Morosi notes that Arizona and Baltimore were essentially making “due diligence” calls, just in case the Angels’ stance changes.
Ohtani’s future has been the biggest storyline of deadline season, putting added import on the outcome of every Angels game. Los Angeles has a 51-49 record entering into their final games before the August 1 deadline — a pair of three-game series with the Tigers and Blue Jays, and the opener of another three-game set with the Braves on July 31. The Halos entered Monday four games behind Toronto for the final AL wild card berth, and the AL West crown is likely out of reach given the Rangers’ eight-game edge over Anaheim in the standings.
Whereas owner Arte Moreno firmly closed the door on even the possibility of an Ohtani trade last summer when the Angels were far out of contention, it would appear as if there’s at least a tiny chance that a deal might happen this year, even as the Angels remain on the fringes of the playoff hunt. The club is at least willing to hear what other teams might have to offer for Ohtani, even if a trade is still considered quite unlikely at this point (and as long as the Angels keep winning). Continuing with the theme of due diligence, there’s no harm for Angels GM Perry Minasian to at least listen to offers just in case another team is willing to give up a staggering return for two months of Ohtani’s services.
It makes particular sense for the D’Backs and O’s to check in on the two-way superstar, most obviously because both teams are battling to reach the playoffs. Arizona has slumped in July while Baltimore has surged into first place in the AL East, yet both teams have designs on both getting into October and then making some noise. Starting pitching is a shared area of need for the two teams, to varying degrees — the Orioles’ staff has been solid but unspectacular, whereas the Diamondbacks haven’t gotten much from their rotation apart from Zac Gallen and the injured Merrill Kelly.
Ohtani would naturally provide a huge boost to either pitching staff, as well as instantly becoming the biggest threat in either lineup. As Morosi notes, minor league depth is another interesting commonality between the D’Backs and Orioles, as both teams have the kind of impressive prospects that it would take to pry Ohtani away in a trade.
Diamondbacks GM Mike Hazen recently stated that his club plans to “be aggressive, even ultra-aggressive,” at the deadline, but not “reckless,” since “being reckless does not serve anyone’s interests, this year’s team or in the future.” On paper, trading multiple top-100 prospects for a rental player like Ohtani might be considered too big a risk, considering that Arizona’s payroll history doesn’t at all suggest the D’Backs are contenders to sign Ohtani in free agency this winter. Likewise, Baltimore GM Mike Elias said back in May that his team was already intending to buy at the deadline, after such a long rebuild, Elias might not want to greatly reduce his core of elite prospects for a single player.
Then again, Ohtani is such a special case that it might convince a front office (or, perhaps more importantly, an ownership group) to make an extra push. His two-way ability enhances a contender on both sides of the ball, and conceivably, the D’Backs and Orioles are both so deep in prospects that they’d still have a good crop of prospects even minus the three, or four, or five names it might take to obtain Ohtani’s services. In the bigger picture, Ohtani would provide such a financial surge in ticket sales, merchandise, TV ratings, and overseas interest that acquiring him for even two months would be a franchise-altering move, beyond what he might do on the field to help the Diamondbacks or Orioles capture a championship.
mlb fan
It’s an Ohtani world; I’m just glad he let’s the rest of us live in it.
nukeg
Yep. He’s arguably the biggest rental of all time. Never have we seen a team pick up an elite pitcher and a hitter at the same time.
You could argue that one piece changes the entire playoff landscape for either League.
Samuel
nukeg;
The most over-hyped player I’ve seen in so many decades, I think he may be the most over-hyped of all time.
He is not going to “change the entire playoff landscape for either League” any more then he’s led the Angels to the playoffs the past 4 years. There’s only so much one player can do in baseball.
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MLBTR and other media are pushing Ohtani! stories for the clicks. Every other day we read/hear a few teams called the Angels to check in on him. Guess what – at this time of year every team that’s a playoff contender is doing their “due diligence” by making calls to teams out of contention for any players they have that are on expiring contracts. It’s SOP.
MLBTR could do us a big favor by listing the teams that haven’t called the Angels on Ohtani!.
ocsportsgeek
Who hurt you?
The guy is absolutely not over hyped. He’s a genuine generational talent on both sides of the ball.
I’m guessing you’re salty for him not picking your favorite team and will never recover. (smells of yankee fan tears).
This is hands down the worst take I’ve seen.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
He’s the most talented player in the league. He’s changed the game.
JoeBrady
I agree Samuel. For all the talk of how he is going to change the direction of the playoffs, him and Trout haven’t seen a .500 team in the 6 years they’ve played together.
Donny G
No other player drives Ad Revenue, Attendance, Ratings, Merchandise sales. If you go to an Angels home game you can’t not notice the huge amount of Asian fans in attendance. So you’re right in that he can’t change the playoffs alone, but for a team like the Orioles he can put them over the top and really make a difference in the playoffs.
HatlessPete
Apples and oranges dude. Putting ohtani on an already strong team is absolutely a needle mover. The angels failure to build a competitive roster around him and trout has zero bearing on that.
aragon
Weirdo!
JoeBrady
No individual player makes that much difference. Just for fun, take a look at MLB-R’s top 50 22/23 FA. How much difference did any of the top 20 make?
i like al conin
Samuel, crazy take. He was 2nd in MVP and 4th in Cy Young last year. How is he overhyped if he’s the equivalent of Judge and Cole in 1 acquisition?
C-Daddy
@Samuel
Name another player that has simultaneously been arguably the best hitter in the league and one of the best starting pitchers? He’s deserving of the hype.
Roguesaw2
You want me to say The Babe don’t you…
Oldhalo
Yep overhyped… literally carried this team through several patches with his stick and has literally got on the mound several times this year and dominated the other team. I don’t know who you’ve been watching but it’s easy to see that it hasn’t been Ohtani. He absolutely is a difference maker and could easily push a contender over the top.
i like al conin
Totally agree, especially in a short playoff series. If he pitches 3 games in a 7-game series AND hits, he could almost win it single-handedly.
Cam
Don’t feed Samuel the troll. Their sole purpose is to log on here and think of edgy things to say.
Chipsss
His sole purpose is saying the opposite of true things
Steinbrenner2728
What’s funny is that Samuel just copy-pasted that same Ohtani rant on a previous article
Steinbrenner2728
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/07/ohtani-angels-playoff-c… then just Ctrl+F and type in “Samuel”… copy-pasted but was replying to another commenter… oh, Samuel, come on now.
justinkm19
He doesn’t pitch on 4 days rest I don’t think. You would probably get two starts at the most out of him.
nukeg
If anyone thinks Ohtani is overrated, you’ve never played baseball nor have you watched the majority of Angels games this year.
It’s unbelievable what’s he’s accomplishing on the grandest stage in the World. He helped Japan win the WBC and he’s literally carrying the Angels to a winning record (as of this writing). Trouts been mediocre (when healthy) and Rendon is MIA as usual.
The problem is how long can this last? That’s A LOT on a single athlete.
mlb fan
“There’s only so much one player can do in baseball “…..There’s a bit of truth in that statement, but I would argue that it’s much more true on a middling, average, top-heavy team like the Angels. However, if you put Ohtani on a good, deep team like the Dodgers, Rays or Braves, he literally changes their entire landscape and makes them the World Series favorites and most likely winners.
Bruin1012
Hatless that is correct Samuel is 100% wrong. Baseball has 26 man roster for a reason, one or two guys aren’t going to make a difference when the rest of the team is subpar and poorly built this isn’t the NBA.
Now if you take a talent like Ohtani a truly unique talent and throw him onto a team that is already put together well he can absolutely be a difference maker.
Oh and the guy isn’t overrated he’s something we have never seen he is unique. He is also the most valuable player in baseball and it’s not even close and it’s not debatable.
If you want to make the completely ignorant comment that he is overhyped because he hasn’t led the Angels to the playoffs that’s because of the nature of the beast one guy can bring a poorly run team to the promised land but you throw that one guy onto on of a half dozen of the best teams and he absolutely can make a huge difference but he has to have more then 2 or 3 guys around him in the sport of baseball.
SashaBanksFan
How many games have they actually played together in those 6 years?
Trump4TheWin
Rendon showed up most when it mattered for my Nationals. People can hate on Rendon and Stras all they want due to their injury track record, however they both have one more WS ring than Trout, Ohtani, etc. God Bless Tony Two Bags…
ScottBoras
Spot on which is why his contract is a difficult one for the Angels. The Angels are notoriously bad with long contracts and whoever signs Ohtani is unfortunately going to be in the same situation overpaying for a DH or SP because he won’t be able to do both at this level for the entire contract.
dpsmith22
comparing the 2 at this stage of Ohtani’s career is comical
Samuel
Donny G;
I’ll reply to you only….
Ohtani! is a marketers dream. The marketing people in the Commissioners Office cannot push him enough. However, that has little to do with teams winning.
For the kids here, I’ve been watching MLB for a lot of decades. I’ve seen players such as Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Sandy Koufax, Joe Morgan, and dozen’s of others spur their teams on….many that didn’t even have good stats. Unfortunately….
(Again) – A starting pitcher throws once every 5-6 games. A hitter bats once every 9 players. This is not the NFL, NBA, or NFL where the team gets the ball or puck to a player disproportionately to try to score.
Ohtani! has been in MLB for 6 years now. He hasn’t even led his team to the playoffs once. He’s 29 years old….not 24….in his prime. He is no more going to “change the playoff landscape” than Juan Soto did 2 years ago.
I’ve been around a long-time and will tell you this – when the overwhelming majority of people think one way, in time they’re proved to be wrong.
I’m Ohtani-ed! out and will stop posting about it. There is more going on in MLB today than if/where the Angels will trade Ohtani! to. But that doesn’t seem to be important. Excuse me while I go back to following the pennant races. I’m interested in which teams win – it’s why I watch and follow the sport.
rondon
The difference is what he would contribute to a real playoff team NOT one that’s struggled to reach .500 since he came over from Japan. He would most definitely guarantee the Orioles a playoff spot and maybe the division.
JoeBrady
He is no more going to “change the playoff landscape” than Juan Soto did 2 years ago.
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Or any more than the top 20 free agents did this year. Ohtani is better than any of the top-20, and quite frankly, better than anyone else. But single players don’t move the needle that much. If they did, it would be almost unimaginable that LAA would have a losing team every year with two first-ballot HOFers.
Or another way of thinking about is, assuming the season is about 2/3rd over, Ohtani has a combined 6.9 bWAR. That means for the remainder of the season, he will deliver a 3.5.. That’s real good, but given most teams have a 1.0 in the minors, that means Ohtani gets you another 2.5 wins.
Edp007
Worst take ( of many ) ever from Samuel
Ham Fighter
Sounds like something that dope mad dog would say your thread sucks
LunaNYY
He will not pitch 3 games on a 7 game series maybe 2 games if he pitch game 1 the angels do 6 starter to accommodate othani so the media just overhyped othani I agree with Samuel.
glooney1
People tend to forget Ohtani’s only had a major impact for 2 years. His first was adjusting to MLB, the next two recovering from TJS. The past two years, Trout (and Rendon) dealt with their own injuries. And how many championship teams perform without a top notch pitching staff?
OCBeachFan
“Generational talent”- 1 of the most misused and overused terms in baseball. Ohtani is absolutely not a phenom in terms of actual production. He has averaged around 6 WAR per season since his debut. There have been many, many players in MLB history who have equaled or surpassed that level for their first 6 seasons. He’s basically a standard level great player in terms of actual production- that’s it. In fact, he’s barely even on a Hall of Fame track in terms of production, if at all. The fact that he accumulates his value as both as pitcher and a hitter is irrelevant- especially because a 6th pitcher (likely way below average pitcher- not many #5 pitchers in MLB are any good at all) has to be carried so Ohtani can be in the rotation.
Bruin1012
Try to think about it this way. Ohtani is uniquely positioned to effect a playoff series like no other player we have seen in baseball history.
It’s possible that he could start in two games of a 7 game series and probably appear out of the bullpen in one more and rake as DH he is a unique talent that can absolutely be a difference maker anyone that thinks differently is well wrong.
OCBeachFan
He’s not a great pitcher, aside from last season. And he has been getting worse and worse as this season has gone on. 3.71 ERA and he’s on pace for less than 4 WAR as a pitcher this season. Very strong chance he would be crushed as a pitcher in the hypothetical playoffs.
MacGromit
@osc
“Who hurt you?”
Wow, that’s fire. love it lol
Ohtani overrated. ha! Babe Ruth also overrated. why can’t Ohtani play the other 8 positions?
MacGromit
it ain’t over yet… I have faith he’ll say something sillier in time.
but that was likely a Top 3.
James123
that is more on the front office than the players. Teh rockies had the issue for the longest time with Cargo and Story, and lots of teams have had the same issue… you need a team, not 2 stars.
WAR is built with this in mind- i think the base win rate for a team plus all the players WAR. So 2 10 WAR players (super elite seasons) still makes you a 100 loss team if everyone else is a 0 WAR player. You are better off with a lot of 2-3 WAR players to build a teal roster.
In the past few years the Angels have been trash at developing players- They are also only 1-2 above average players away from being a playoff team this year.
James123
HE is not the same…. He basically need a 6 man rotation as a pitcher- which for a lot of other guys throws them off (and lowers the amount of innings they can throw). He is also a DH only player, so no value from the field.
I am not saying he is trash- but he is more akin to Prime David Ortiz plus current Kershaw (where you only get 100-140 innings, but they are elite SP innings).
nukeg
LOL. A lot of these takes remind me of the Angels / White Sox game we were at. Guys behind us were chanting and clapping “overrratttted!” when Ohtani came to the plate. Shohei hit 2 HRs and struck out 10. Yet each time they chanted it.
Everyone around them were laughing at them as we actually understood the unicorn talent being shown on the field. Haters gonna hate – until they wear your uniform.
JJBird
Overhyped? How’s the best player to come onto the league since, oh I don’t know, maybe Junior Griffey, a overhyped player? You’re either a young teenager, a soccer- first lover or extremely naive. In baseball that’s called 3 strikes and you’re out. Ugh
GoogleMe
Overhyped? Anyone who says that, just doesnt have a basic understanding. . . Shohei is likely to put up 30 WAR in the past 3 season. He is the best player in the game. Adding a guy like Ohtani will only increase your chances of winning.
Look around the league. Who else is putting up the numbers that Shohei has put up the past 3 years? No one. We just seen a guy like Devers who averages less than 3 WAR a season get over $300M. If a guy like Devers is worth over $300M, how much is a guy like Ohtani worth?
Cam
They’ll be overpaying at the back end, but that’s not the whole story – they’ll be getting surplus value up front.. No one expects him to be at “this level” for the entire contract. That’s why he will be underpaid at the start, and overpaid at the back end, like basically every other long-term contract.
That’s why Mookie Betts, for example, is on an AAV of $30mil, when he could be getting $50m+ year to year – the AAV of a long term contract is bought down by the expectation that he will be of lesser value at the end.
Moneyballer
Where would the angels be without ohtani? That’s right, they’d be the royals. Ask the braves if buying players at the deadline can’t win you a championship!? For a contender to add ohtani? That’s bigtime and would be a hammer of a difference maker!
C Yards Jeff
An amazing ball player for sure. Down right entertaining. That said, how he will perform in an MLB playoff atmosphere is unknown . This is a real thing . Go no further than last year when Judge, another amazing baseball talent, layed an egg in the playoffs as an example.
All said, happy to see my Orioles pursuing him especially for his pitching prowess.Why? Haven’t even sniffed at a WS appearance since 1983. And who knows what the future truly holds. Go for it in 23!
MacGromit
@C Yards Jeff
I’m conflicted about renting Ohtani for a few months. on one side, you never know when you’re going to be in this position again, there’s no guarantees that even this young crew will have this strong of a season again, especially with injuries. in that way I agree. 1983 was a long time ago.
but is it worth losing 4 to 5 prospects for two months?
My biggest fear for the Orioles right now is that the starters are all going to eclipse their career highs in IP soon and we’re in uncharted waters in terms of possible tired arms. does Ohtani every 5th day give the Oriole starters that much relief?
I realize that you don’t get a bat, but I think the O’s can put together a package to pry loose Corbin Burns or Dylan Cease both of whom they might be able to afford an extension for, unlike Othani. That with coincide with our window of opportunity better
C Yards Jeff
Like “…pry loose Corbin Burns or Dylan Cease…”
GASoxFan
Here’s the thing, temper your expectations.
Ohtani is very very good. But, balance the cost vs what he gets you.
You get a great DH. But only a DH. He can’t take the field as a defender. So, subtract the existing production you get from DH and add ohtani. Will he be better? Probably. But how much better? And will his boost at DH be the same impact as say, increasing production by the same difference on your worst position player if your new position player also upgrades the team defensively?
You get a 3.xx pitcher. There’s plenty of other 3.xx pitchers out there.
You claim he gives you two players in the roster spot of one… well… he only sort of does this. He doesnt pitch on regular rest. You can’t make the rest of your rotation constantly start short-rest, it’s not sustainable. So, you either need to carry an additional long reliever to plug in on bullpen days to give ohtani his long-rest schedule, or, an extra starter and go 6 man rotation. So this one is only sort-of true.
You can claim his pitching ability can make a difference in a postseason. Same problem as above.
Let’s say you make a WC series. If you use Ohtani from the mound, he may not even get a chance to pitch in the next series based on his long rest requirement. How good is he on *normal* mlb rest let alone *short* mlb rest? Nobody knows.
If he pitches late in any post season series, it’s the same problem in a long series. He may wind up on the mound exactly *once* if you’re lucky and hang sound to force a late series game for him.
I see him as a luxury item that makes you better, but *how much* better?
Most contenders don’t have an empty hole at DH. If they had, they’d likely be struggling more and not a top flight contender.
So, you need to balance your gains and losses. It’s an upgrade for many, but not as simple as just adding his stats onto what you’ve got now.
So I ask this: take the cost of ohtani. Compare that to the cost of upgrading a position player, and, upgrading a pitcher. Then reduce those costs by any value you can get by trading whoever ohtani displaces, and, whoever the two replacements displace. Which one costs more, and how different are the end results?
And for those that cite the income, the marketing, postseason series already are usually sell-outs. If you’ve gotna winning team, your attendance is already good, I’m not convinced you see a big boost. The only merchandising a teamnreally keeps is what the team store and team website sell, and then not even 100%. How much ohtani merch does a normal fanbase buy in 8 weeks at the team store on a pre-rental player? How many 8 week long sponsor opportunities are there in the stadium, at what income?
JoeBrady
And excellent, if prodigious response. For a team like the RS, how much of an upgrade is Ohtani at DH? JT is at 1.7 while Ohtani is at 4.5. A switch for 1/3 of a season is worth about 1.4 WAR, as a hitter. As a pitcher, he is at 2.3. Even disregarding his weak pitching recently,
Theoretically, getting Cease for 1 year and two months is probably worth more than getting 2 months of Ohtani hitting and 2 months of Ohtani pitching.
C Yards Jeff
@GASoxFan, down right insightful. Thanks for that. Did not take in to consideration his rest time window and how it impacts the rotation. Ugh.
@JoeB, like “…getting Cease for 1yr and two months…”.
mikevm3
yeah I think you could add about 27 other teams to that group
VegasSDfan
Rofl, he 100% isn’t going to either of those teams.
Captain-Judge99
I can’t even imagine all the damage Ohtani could do with the bat alone at Camden Yards truthfully!
metslvt17
Not only Camden….imagine those short porches in division rival stadiums. Yankee and Fenway, I’m looking at you!
amanateeamongmen
Why did your comment make you laugh so hard?
VegasSDfan
He is going somewhere to win, bot to get traded to another questionable organization. Plus lock in a 500 million dollar contract
skinsfandfw
VegasSDfan: You suggesting the Orioles are a questionable organization? That’s nonsense if so.
He wants to win, and the Os are building something special and for the long term.
Roguesaw2
It’s not going to be any kind of extension. His agent would die if Ohtani bypassed free agency.
avenger65
Math&: I thought the Mariners would be a good fit too. They’re on Ohtani’s preferred west coast; Japanese legend Ichiro is in the FO; and the area, especially Vancouver, have a lot of Japanese citizens. I doubt the Mariners have the money and he might prefer the stay closer to Southern California.
kma
Yeah, that Ohtani. He’s kind of interesting.
DanUgglasRing
This just in, teams are interested in Shohei Ohtani.
mlb fan
Breaking News!!!!…USA, Japanese and other Worldwide corporations also “interested in Shohei Ohtani”.
i like al conin
It’s noteworthy there aren’t other Angels player rumors giving more intel on a Ohtani trade. If they are going to keep them, they have to be buyers, or if they trade him, guys like Renfroe and Moore have to be traded too. They can’t wait until the last minute because deals are going to start happening.
HatlessPete
I’m not saying it’s impossible but I’d put the odds of the Os landing ohtani up there with me winning the Powerball jackpot rn.
Moneyballer
Congrats on your jackpot win!
HatlessPete
Lol I better go get me a ticket. I hope you’re right.
brewers214
Baltimore is a team that can give the Angels the prospects they want and not hurt the farm system
HatlessPete
I see where you’re coming from and the Os do have a lot of prospect capital. Admittedly I was being kind of snarky and hyperbolic but it seems like such an extreme contrast from their gm’s recent statements about deadline approach and the track record leading up to now. It also depends so much on the angels’ asking price and aggressiveness of competing bidders which we just don’t have much info about rn. Instinctively I just don’t see it happening. Would definitely respect it as a baller move if it did happen though and I’m sure it would be a great time to be an Os fan which would be huge departure from recent history.
Poolhalljunkies
A trade for ohtani would for sure hurt any system..how can removibg 4 or 5 top tier prospects not?…angels should start with jackson holliday
skinsfandfw
The Orioles are not giving up Jackson Holiday in any deal.
i like al conin
Maybe but the O’s other prospects are not centerpieces or are a few years away. Perhaps another team can give a centerpiece. If the Angels can land a top hitter or SP prospect, they might be able to quickly land the near-equivalent of Ohtani by spending his current $30 mil on the other half. Not Ohtani but perhaps close.
eric e.
Just not true lol. Kjerstad is ready. Ortiz has been up. They have Cowser and Westburg already in the bigs. Mayo will be up next season. There are multiple guys in their top 10 prospects that are a season away.
i like al conin
Totally agree Eric, but those guys are not centerpieces. If I was trading Ohtani, I’d want to get as close to one part of him as I could and use his $30 mil salary to sign the other half.
ItsKirsten
Not even the angels are incompetent enough to start there.
Rexhudler86
Holiday, and Rodriquez would be off limits. It will take at least 2 top 100 players, a mlb player, and a lottery ticket.
domrep
The way I see it: Mayo, Norby, Ortiz, Westburg, Holliday, Henderson are your top infield prospects/players. You’re probably looking at Westburg, Henderson and Holliday being the infield of the future, so you can technically part with 1 or 2 of Mayo/Norby/Ortiz and be fine.
I’d throw DL Hall in there before folks figure out he’s probably a reliever/spot starter long term.
Then it comes down to whether you include Cowser or Kjerstad in the deal. No idea if that’s too much or not, basically 3 of their top 10 prospects for potentially only 2 months of Ohtani.
Samuel
domrep;
Feel better?
When are you guys going to get it?
THROW OUT THE DEPTH CHART and the mentality that goes with it.
Do you actually follow the O’s day-to day? Of their position players there are currently 4 OF’s that are sharing the 3 positions…and a 5th just had to step in. The infielders are being moved around not just at the start of the game, but during it as well.
This is the new MLB. Expansion has watered down all teams. The days of a teams starters actually starting 30-plus games is gone – fortunate if 2 do. Teams today are actually contending with just 2 reliable starters. All pitchers are being burned out. Guys that have no business pitching in the major leagues are called up every day simply because they’re a fresh, uninjured arm….and that’s what the team needs – because they often use 5-7 relief pitchers a game and they don’t have 5-7 pitchers healthy and rested for the game tomorrow.
There isn’t a decent POBO / GM in MLB that doesn’t understand that things happen quickly and they have to have multiple backup plans. The days of 8 position players starting 95% of a teams games ended years ago. No one worries about the future. How players develop determines who plays in the future.
GarryHarris
I thought that the Os had the capital too except I don’t think the Os will squander all those prospects on a rental even if it is Ohtani. The best opportunity to get pitching is Detroit’s Eduardo Rodriguez and possibly Michael Lorenzen. Rodriguez won’t command a big return and Lorenzen, if even available, won’t take nearly as much to acquire as Ohtani.
5TUNT1N
I was listening to the athletic podcast with law and dvr and there was some sneaky logic in how the orioles and teams like them could drop 3/7 top 100 prospects and still be sound with the other 4 they have! Was a good listen and I think really opens up possibilities for those long shot teams to have said he played in our jersey even if it was for only 2 months!
i like al conin
Good take, and I’ve been thinking too about the value-add, even rather small, of having the greatest baseball player ever be part of your franchise.
baseballguy13
Greatest ever? Lmao slow down
acoss13
I’d wait for the offseason to go after him. A lot of these teams would be giving up a lot of prospect capital for him, and rightfully so if you’re the Angels. He may be a two-month rental, but he’s two really good players in one.
MotownWings
Baltimore should swing for the fences here and make a huge attempt to get Ohtani. This is going to be a pure rental as Ohtani is unlikely to resign with Baltimore so no point in them waiting until the offseason. With Ohtani the O’s are the favourites to win the AL if not already.
stymeedone
I know the “Flags fly forever” argument, but how many years did you want Baltimore baseball to be relevant? There’s no guarantee of that flag.
hiflew
There is no guarantee that any of the prospects will thrive long term either.
avenger65
There’s one thing MLBTR always leaves out of these rental articles. If the Angels and another team work out a deal for Ohtani this August, they could ask the SaAngeks for permission to talk to Ohtani’s people. They could work out a long-term, gazillion dollar contract so that they would have him on their team much longer than the two months rental period.
User 2976510776
Moreno’s listening to offers like he listened to offers for the franchise.
gbs42
It doesn’t hurt to listen.
Candlestoked
It pains me to listen to Aerosmith. Ouch.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Guys named Jon are useless: Jon “Arson” Heyman and Jon Morosi
King Floch
Stop trying to make an Ohtani trade happen.
It’s not going to happen.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I tend to agree
Also, I would rather go in a different direction anyway
braveshomer
absolutely agree…it was an everyday Google article about the Braves releasing Ozuna any day now a few months ago….these writers try to speak their own opinions into existence smh
King of Cards
Angels would be fools not to trade him. He’s not signing there.
Zerbs63
Angels are fools.
King of Cards
Ok well……they will still trade him……I think……probably……
King Floch
And Arte Moreno is a notorious fool, so…
avenger65
Is Moreno not willing to sign Ohtani to a long term deal because he doesn’t want to pay that much, he doesn’t have that much, or he doesn’t understand the kind of player he has, the kind that almost no other team would let go if they had him?
i like al conin
Then they’d better be buyers if Ohtani is staying. But it’s been quiet on non-Ohtani rumors
vtadave
Arte be like…yeah I’ll deal him. Corbin Carroll, Zac Gallen, and Jordan Lawlar, and he’s yours.
Orioles…you want him? Sure, just send over Gunnar, Grayson, and that Holliday guy
No? Well, I tried.
Outfield Fly
If it was a sign and trade that might actually be worth it.
King of Cards
I imagine Lawlar alone would do it
mgomrjsurf
Baltimore has the Prospects.
jamie pote
I don’t believe the Angels will trade Ohtani, but Diamondbacks make a lot of sense and have some major league ready arms and outfielders who could possibly fit in a package deal.
Northeasternskier
Shohei Ohtani would make the Orioles a “Death Star”. Pencil them into the World Series.
StreakingBlue
Thats a little far fetched but hey you never know. Baltimore should take the risk, but go into this trade knowing that Ohtani won’t resign there.
Roguesaw2
But the Death Stars all blow up spectacularly in the end…
hiflew
Because Ohtani has been vital in getting the Angels to the playoffs every year for his entire career?
BrianStrowman9
Yeah if the O’s trade for Ohtani—I’ll name my first born son Shohei. Simply no shot.
Moneyballer
I hope your son shohei has as much success as his namesake!
DanUgglasRing
Madison Bumgarners 2014 World Series performance may or may not be why my daughters middle name is Madison lol
gravel
I teased my kids I was renaming them after the 2014 WS. Them: “Madison is a nice name.” Me: “Not that one. Bumgarner.”
King of Cards
Bye bye prospects. You would cry wouldn’t you. Such a sad day in prospect hoarder world
EvanD
Another O’s-related post, another heated King of Cards comment thread lol
King of Cards
I think it’s hilarious how all the Orioles fans are against the idea of trading for Ohtani.
Roguesaw2
I’m not. Just don’t think its likely. Been 40 years since the last ring. Go get it!
King Floch
Rent free lol.
King of Cards
Rent free lol. Words to Peter Angelos’ ears.
Nevermind. He’s probably a landlord….
King Floch
Lawyer, actually.
But he hasn’t run the team in about half a decade now due to declining health and cognitive ability anyway.
BrianStrowman9
Lol It’s just ridiculous. Clickbait tweets like morosi puts out just fuels the dummy fire.
Dodger Dog
Send him to Baltimore, I wanna see him launch ball of the building
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
If the Orioles give up three major prospects to rent Ohtani, and then they win the World Series with him getting the final out in a save like he did at the WBC… Not only would it be a fairy tale but the Orioles would actually have the payroll flexibility to say “why would you go anywhere else now.”
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
Because…just look at their contract history. Their biggest pitching contract ever was, I think, Ubaldo Jimenez? They’re penny pinchers. Also, if they shock the world with a big $60 mil/year contract, how do you keep all those youngsters you have winning games right now?
Elias didn’t rebuild Houston with Ohtani-type deals. I just really doubt he’s coming soon.
King of Cards
Man you Orioles fans are conditioned to accept mediocrity. The owner is proud I am sure.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
I can’t argue. They’re penny pinchers over in the front office. They don’t take risks. But we rolled in Houston’s team from a few years back and I’m hoping that this is a “there’s a new sheriff in town” type era. The good news is that we have one of tiniest payrolls in the MLB and we’re killing it right now. It will be interesting to see what happens once big contract time come around for the young guys.
King of Cards
The pieces are there for an Astros like dynasty. But it feels more like the 2010s Pirates to me.
The difference is spending. Some teams spend and some dont.
avenger65
The non-west coast team that’s the most likely to sign Ohtani are the Braves. They got Murphy when everyone else was offering the kitchen sink for him. A rotation of Strider, Wright, Morton Fried and Ohtani sounds pretty unbeatable.
King of Cards
What the heck could the Braves possibly trade for Ohtani?
No way. I can’t see that happening. Not to mention Atlanta isn’t exactly a booming Asian community.
Roguesaw2
They took on Verlander’s contract, and later extended him. Both were pretty hefty at the time. I don’t think Elias is the one that stops that kind of contract from happening. Ownership never liked giving Pitchers lots of money or deals longer than three years. I believe Ubaldo and Cobb were both four year deals and both would have reaffirmed Pete’s feelings on long contracts. Idk how his son John, who now controls the team, would feel about it.
I could see them trading for Ohtani, then letting him walk in the offseason. They have the kind of prospect capital they could do that and still be relevant for years.
I actually think either or both of Verlander and Scherzer are better fits. Not better players, better fits. Two years of control and just as the kids start hitting arb Verlander/Scherzer come off the books.
Barring no trade clause, I think Verlander reuniting with Elias is far more likely than an Ohtani trade. Would cost less in prospect capital and they get two years on the guy.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
I would LOVE Verlander or Scherzer! Not as guys that push the O’s into the playoffs, which they can do, but as vet mentors to a young staff. Those two are some very, very expensive mentors, however. I don’t think Angelos/Elias would be in.
Roguesaw2
I think you may find yourself pleasantly surprised at the deadline. We’ll know soon. Used to be so much easier to wait for the trade deadline before social media…
jeffk-2
I agree.. The Orioles could give him a front loaded deal that way he is more affordable when Adley, Gunnar, etc hit arbitration and free agency.
brewers214
Baltimore is a team that could give up good prospects for Ohtani and not harm there farm system
vtadave
Pretty sure any trade for Ohtani will put a dent in said team’s farm system, but I get what you’re saying.
hiflew
I doubt it. Ohtani is great, but he is still just a rental. Baltimore has 8 top 100 guys. Ohtani wouldn’t cost more than 2 of them or maybe 3 if you avoid the top 4 guys. Even if you give up that much, you still would have a minimum of 5 top 100 guys which is more than most teams.
ItsKirsten
That’s what it should take
What it will take is 4 of them, because media.
hiflew
Then I’d pass. Ohtani is not THAT important. Every team in history that has made the playoffs has done so without Ohtani’s services. I wouldn’t overpay for a guy who you really don’t know how he will perform in the postseason. Could be great…could be Verlander.
ItsKirsten
Yep, and the thing is Arte isn’t much brighter than the average media slinger who will say that any price is reasonable, so he will get caught up in their narrative.
And teams like to force the teams that have young talent to overpay (and Elias/Sig are not idiots and won’t do that)
KamKid
Are you suggesting that it’s a toss up between what you could expect from Ohtani in a playoff game as opposed to Dean Kremer, Tyler Wells, Cole Irvin or whoever Baltimore would be handing the ball to? Sure, there’s some overlap in the range of outcomes for Ohtani and those guys but it’s kind of a worst outcome for Ohtani and best outcome for the other guys. Moreover, adding him to a first place team can certainly help them pull away from or hold off the Rays and avoid playing in that stupid coin flip wild card round.
You might find impact somewhere else that could help and might offer impact over a longer term and that might be a wiser decision. But I sure hope if Ohtani is traded that it’s as a pure rental to a team like the Orioles or D’Backs who are not in the conversation to win an open market bidding war for him in free agency. That would be a memorable couple of months for one of those teams.
skinsfandfw
The former OAK pitcher the Orioles just traded for, Fujinami, is really good friends with Shotime…just sayin!
King Floch
lol no
carllafong
Moreno is NOT trading Ohtani.. And if he’s not trading him… are the Angels going to be buyers?
Roguesaw2
No, but they should be.
agentx
The Angels definitely should be buyers.
Go get Scherzer or Verlander. Either could be the ace that the Angels need to leapfrog the good-not-great Red Sox, Yankees, and Blue Jays this year and be back in 2024 with or without Ohtani.
dave frost nhlpa
Leverage for the Yanks and Padres. Well done! Would have never seen that coming!!!!
Roguesaw2
Yankees won’t trade for him. Probably not the Padres either. This year is a disaster for both clubs. They’ll let some other team blow the prospects, then one of them will sign the guy for 600MM in the offseason.
dave frost nhlpa
Correct,but use of leverage is still there to drive up any price. I doubt he’s moved. We all know where he’s signing in November.
Halo11Fan
When is he signing in November?
clrrogers
The Orioles have the best farm system in baseball. If they want him bad enough, he’s theirs.
Roguesaw2
I mostly agree. I’d say “If they want him bad enough, and Arte is smart enough to swallow his pride and make the move, he’s theirs.”
It’s Arte Moreno. Any other owner and Ohtani gets moved. Probably last year. But… it’s Arte Moreno. Could offer the guy all 8 top 100 prospects and he still might say no.
Poolhalljunkies
It would take more but a solid start
BrianStrowman9
It wouldn’t take more than Jackson Holliday. It’s 2.5 months of Shohei. Jackson is the #1 prospect in baseball. The O’s will never give him up for a rental so it’s really a moot point.
King of Cards
Cowser, Westburg and another top 100 guy. That would do it.
hiflew
It’s not going to take the overall #1 prospect + some in order to get 2+ months of a rental. No matter how many positions he plays. You might see something similar to the Scherzer/Turner deal of a couple years ago. 2 lower end top 50 prospects + a couple of lotto tickets.
Westburg, Kjerstad, + a couple of low level arms would probably work. Might even be too much.
Halo11Fan
One of the more important reasons to acquire Ohtani is that three month negotiating window,
That three month window has tremendous value. But not for the Orioles.
Ohtani isn’t about money. There is a chance he will fall in love with a city, but that city isn’t Baltimore. M
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
But if he wins a WS as a rental to Baltimore, he might feel that he has an obligation to stay and try to win two more. And the Orioles could easily clear $30M/yr in non revenue share income from a world champion Ohtani. Enough to sell the team for several billion dollars after a few years once Peter dies.
hiflew
That’s a bit of a leap to expect a man that has never played a postseason game to deliver a WS championship.
Halo11Fan
I’m just saying the the negotiation window has value. I don’t think Baltimore is that city. However if the Orioles think there is a reasonable chance to resign him, then he’s worth that recent first round pick.
King Floch
The only thing dumber than trading a recent first overall draft pick who has developed into the number one overall prospect in the sport for a two month rental would be declining that offer because you wanted even more.
Rbiggs2525
Mike Elias and staff are top 3 front office in baseball. They are going to call about everyone but I doubt they do anything significant. Roll with who got you there.
AngryTick
Absolutely Zero chance the Dbacks are trying to trade for Ohtani. It took them this long to build a foundation. Now you want to give 25% of that growth for a 2 month rental. Click bait..
StreakingBlue
I would think that Arizona would do a trade since he is still in a western state. Not sure if their prospects would wow the Angels, but it seems more plausible then not.
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
He’s not going to Baltimore, notorious penny-pinchers. But I don’t think we need him either. However, a decent vet who can eat innings would be nice. We can revamp someone’s farm very nicely and still have a great farm for Baltimore. We have prospects galore.
Roguesaw2
Notorious penny pinchers… meh. Not exactly. They’ve had top ten payrolls several times in the Angelos tenure. It’s the “we don’t pay Pitchers very long or very much because they break” mantra that has killed all the past Angelos playoff level clubs. You usually can’t just club your way through the playoffs.
hiflew
This is the same team that gave 9 figures to Chris Davis? Those penny pinchers?
rememberthecoop
I’m thinking the obvious – the Angels will only trade him if they’re blown away by an offer. What’s the harm in listening? But as great and unique as Ohtani is, I find it hard to believe any team will be willing to give up that much prospect and/or young, MLB talent for two months and a postseason.
Roguesaw2
I think its more a case of Arte is a stubborn little boy and no one call tell him what to do with his shiny toys.
coachdit
I think trading for ohtani turns every playoff team into a World Series contender. I propose Santander Ortiz norby rom straight up for ohtani. Santander replaces ohtani at dh and at 3/4/5, he replaces renfroe next season in rf. 2 top 100 prospects, and a sp that’s major league ready to replace ohtanis innings right now. I’d like to see Arizona, or anyone else top that offer. And the best part is minus santander for 2024 season only in a rotation with cowser kjerstad, we gave up nothing for the future for this rental. Opportunity cost is we could trade for a controllable piece with that much capital but I say World Series. I say trade for him also so we don’t have to play against him. For me this decision is as common sense as it gets.
Roguesaw2
Certainly a strong offer, but I don’t think you pull a piece from the MLB roster if you are trading for a rental for a world series run. I don’t think he is in Baltimore next year in a home jersey. So if you move for him, it’s got to be all prospects. You need all your MLB weapons for the run, because, at least with Ohtani, you’re only getting one.
coachdit
But I’m upgrading a piece I’m currently relying on. Regarding next season I’m ok with hays Mullins cowser kjerstad. I truly fail to see what I’m parting with here. What I’m saving is roughly $10mm for his arb 3
Mike the Fat Oriole Bird
That won’t be a thing. Mike Elias didn’t take GM 101 yesterday. He’s a pretty smart guy. The O’s have seven or eight MLB Top 100 prospects. They can give the Angels a monstrous return for two months of Ohtani and it would not involve Jackson. But they shouldn’t. And knowing the O’s, they will not.
30 Parks
Reds need to get Ohtani – all-in.
JoeBrady
Ohtani would naturally provide a huge boost to either pitching staff,
=======================
It would be nice of the writers would take a look at his pitching of late. His pitching dominance ended on April 21st, and that is a real long time ago. His ERA/FIP since then is 4.73/4.88. That’s almost three months of bad pitching.
Roguesaw2
Yeah but the Orioles defense makes Tyler Wells look good. So there’s that…
stretch123
He’s gonna leave the Angels. Might as well trade him for a boatload of prospects
StreakingBlue
I am kinda pulling for a team like the Orioles to show that they are willing to go for it. Especially since the Orioles management seems to be anti competitive payroll wise historically.
Wheeler Dealer
I can honestly say if I was a GM I wouldn’t have the stones to give up that much for anyone I couldn’t guarantee I’d have for more than 2 months
JoeBrady
No way BA should do that for two months of Ohtani.
prov356
Moreno won’t trade Ohtani because Moreno makes too much money off him.
BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?
Orioles fans are cute….like little boys saying their going to marry Wonder Woman…..”we’re going to get Ohtani”……I just want to pinch your cheeks.
njbirdsfan
Are you finished?
Orioles have been doing a hell of a lot more winning than Ohtani ever did.
njbirdsfan
I don’t know why everyone is falling all over themselves to pick up the guy who’s leading the charge to .500, but you’re never going to get full value, seeing as nothing short of the ark of the covenant is going to be a fair trade.
And the Angels are just supposed to let guys walk for nothing because again, they’re doing so much with two generational talents.
Viveleempireevil
If I’m Mike Elias and the O’s, I go for it. Would I give the Halos Colton Cowser and Jackson Holiday to rent Otani? Why not? If they pull a rabbit out of a hat and win the division then they have a great chance to get to the WS. The Angels have got to take the best offer for Otani and the Orioles have the best prospects to deal. Carpe Diem. But, of course, it is still Baltimore so a tough sell to any potential acquisition.
BrianStrowman9
Good lord. You want to toss Cowser in with Holliday?
I’m not dealing Jackson Holliday for 2 months of Ohtani and 2 months of any other player on the Angels roster.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Imagine Ohtani on the O’s. Would be utopian, however, The O’s wouldn’t trade their prospects for a rental, especially if they cannot resign him in the future.
Ghost Pepper
Go to Baltimore bro. Phoenix summers are brutal.
Yanks2
Jackson Holliday and Aaron Hicks for Ohtani. Who says no?
Roguesaw2
Honestly? Both teams. Baltimore on value, Los Angeles on Arte’s orders.
Mehmehmeh
LAA says no but informs BAL that Hicks alone will be more than enough.
seaver41
Dbacks need a closer….thinking Robertson
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
That iverbure guy is probably seething while reading this article. He’s been replying to everyone in the threads of Ohtani rumors how small market teams will never trade for him. I think it’s good for baseball if small markets get involved in the Ohtani bidding.
I don’t think Arte will trade him but I still enjoy the rumors leading up to the deadline.
King of Cards
It’s this new wave fan that thinks it’s all about hoarding prospects instead of actually winning.
BrianStrowman9
More about not turning into the San Diego padres where you stripped your team down of all the prospect depth so your AAA team is absolute garbage and you have nothing to call up to help the big league squad.
Baseball isn’t a 1 player sport. You need depth & the good teams have that. But you can always root for San Diego if you like big contracts and little development.
King of Cards
Padres played in the NLCS last year did they not?
I don’t like San Diego at all Tatis is a clown. But they are trying to win and I respect that.
BrianStrowman9
Yes. All those years of rebuilding for a $200MM loser that is set to lose 3 key players this off-season or they’ll pay them an exorbitant contract to stay.
Unsustainable crappy incomplete roster. They might break the record for albatross contracts in a few years. Better pray they do a 180 in 2024. Potentially without Hader,Wacha, Lugo, and Snell.
King of Cards
What do you care what the payroll is? You aren’t paying it.
Look at the Astros. That could be the Orioles if they choose to spend.
Is that an unstable crappy incomplete roster? Or is that a championship squad who has been the best team in baseball the last 6 plus years?
BrianStrowman9
why I care about payroll? Because your team owner will only put so much into the ball club. They’re not going to make nothing off of a baseball team in perpetuity. What do you do when you have a team with serious holes and a $240MM payroll? Spend $60MM more to fix it? How’d that work this year for Uncle Steve?
This team will be closer to Houston. Won’t spend quite as much but there’s capacity to run the payroll up. It just won’t be done on rentals and expensive free agents. Not how the good teams are built.
jacl
I don’t think the Angels get as much for him as everyone thinks they’ll get. Not for a rental. If he agrees to an extension with the team he’s being traded too before the trade then the Angels could get more.
coachdit
Why can’t the os offer ohtani a little bridge contract before he goes back west coast. Little 2 year, 10 mil aav higher then whatever the dodgers aav offer is to him. They can afford it for two years. If they trade for him this week and make a good run at it, I can see this as a possibility. I’d think if I were ohtani it’s a guarantee I go 1 for 2 in Baltimore with that core for two seasons. And I’m still cause of inflation signing the same contract I was offered at 30 at 32
BrianStrowman9
No shot Ohtani doesn’t cash in. We can offer him whatever but he’s going to get exactly what he wants. He’ll probably get the chance to opt out in 2-3 seasons in whatever long term deal he gets.
Luke Strong
I think the Angels ought to go all in, it’s their last shot with Trout/Ohtani. I think they should get Verlander & Foley and go for broke. They rightfully would sink like the Titanic if they miss, but I don’t see how they could bail at this point. They’ve got a 13.9% chance of playoffs according to Fangraphs. Trout coming back soon. They’re not that far off.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
All clickbait no substance, Ohtani is not going anywhere to the season ends. Moreno does not want to be the guy that let him leave, he wants to resign him, trading him would be foolhardy if u expect him to come back (only rickey henderson and aroldis chapman come to mind as guys who were traded midseason then went back to team that traded them, i’m sure there are others) but happens rarely. Artie will probably offer $600 mill, but would he want to stay with a team without money to build around him?
King of Cards
Ohtani is not signing with the Angels dude. That’s why a trade makes sense. If Moreno let’s him walk for nothing but a draft pick he looks like an even bigger fool and that’s what will happen if they don’t trade him.
Angels haven’t made the playoffs since 2015. He’s like Glenn Frey he’s already gone…….
coachdit
The angels gm will ultimately keep or lose his job over this Ohtani decision. Get 3 top 100 prospects he keeps his job. But if he holds him and doesn’t sign him this offseason. Instead of 3 top 100, he gets pick like 50 in the mlb draft. You’re fired.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
whether or not they have any chance of keeping him is irrelevant. No way Moreno doesn’t want to at least try and resign him, and trading him takes a 0% chance they resign him and increases it to -0%. It’s worth more for the angels to keep him as a draw for the rest of this season then to trade him and lose a lot of attendance for the rest of the season. Moreno only cares about money and marketing. Ohtani is unique, no way he is traded.
King of Cards
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MLB Top 100 Commenter
Angels are not trading Ohtani.
But what if Angels offered Ohtani to the Brewers straight up to Brewers for Burnes?
Angels get a pitcher for 2024 with the hope of extending, Brewers go all in for 2023 and can’t afford to extend both Burnes and Woodruff anyway.
Or what if Diamondbacks offered a single prospect – the Angels choice of Lawlar or Druw Jones.
But while Ohtani is a game changer in the playoffs, he does not guarantee making the playoffs. So if I were the Diamondbacks I would pass but if I were the Brewers I would give it thought.
Niceee
I think your Burnes idea is the most valid idea in this comment section
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Detroit can offer more…..2 Starters, 2 Relievers
Mark Smith
The Angels aren’t far back. They need to trade for a couple good relievers instead of trading Ohtani. Too bad Minasian didn’t do a better job fixing the bullpen over the winter.
baseball99
Ohtani has worse numbers as a SP than bradish and wells, compounded with the fact that Means will be back in September and we have a guy with A1A stuff filling the fifth slot in the rotation, he’s not necessary. Orioles need to do their due diligence and see if he’s available at discount (he won’t be) but they should stay the course. Best team in AL, best GM, best farm system, best analytics department,best future, good luck AL!
baseball99
Completely out of the box idea here… Os trade the farm and make him pitch the 6th and 7th on his bullpen days, (biggest Os weakness) go to a six man rotation to alleviate the critics concerns of our rotation maxing out on innings and watch him smash balls off the warehouse. Call me Mike I’m full of great ideas
DGHalos714
Only makes sense if a team takes Tony No Bags with him. Salary dump and may be a prospect or 2 less but a franchise altering trade. My gut says that no team would do this but you never know how desperate a team can be at this point and the possibility of having Shotime down the stretch a d playoffs.
imgman09
The Baaaaad New Bears are too!
msfan76
Mariner’s are gonna make a big push for ohtani in free agency, with teoscar probably leaving pollock on a one year deal. They really spend any significant money last offseason this was the big fish they were waiting for.
NineChampionships
Orioles are good fit and have the type of players the Angels covet in any deal. They don’t take minor league prospects, they take prospects that have made it to the big leagues. That being said this is the Angels so Westburg and a couple of struggling young pitchers probably gets it done.
Old York
Guy only has a WRC+ of 184, meaning he’s only 84% better than league average and a 4.29 FIP, which is slightly below average. Not sure he’s going to be worth the pull of prospects.
dankyank
Ohtani would be joining a Dbacks squad that’s in full melt down mode right now. The team lacks viable replacements for Moreno and Kelly and now the bullpen’s imploding from overuse. The clear lesson here is the importance of depth, not emptying out the farm for a single superstar.
CaseyAbell
I called Arte Moreno today. I offered our Labrador Retriever straight up for Ohtani. Arte said he would get back to me.
Fred McGriff HR
When Ohtani becomes a free agent, although I doubt the Braves would pursue him, can anyone imagine him on the Braves with Acuna, Albies, Olson, & Riley, that would be some line-up. I do hope the Braves consider it, they could really create something by signing him. If Mr Ohtani is genuinely interested in being in play offs and attempting to win rings, he has to look at who has the capability to do it over the next 3-5 years,because no one gets younger. Whilst nothing is impossible in this world, it’s nice to think about the possibilities.
JerseyShoreScore
You add Ohtani to the Braves, even at 12 years $600 million, the Braves payroll is still manageable. Assuming Ohtani’s back end is a gross overpay, the chance to win several World Championships in the next 5 or 6 years would be well worth. It is clear the Braves are the best team in baseball and look well-positioned to remain so…
bigrman
Ohtani for Jackson Holliday. Who says no fist?
JoeBrady
IMO, BA should say no. Ohtani, on the upside, maybe adds 4 wins. I doubt it, but it is possible. 6 years of Holliday might be downside 10 WAR, and an upside of 20+.
etex211
My opinion: No matter what kind of overwhelming offer the Angels may receive, Moreno will veto it at the last minute.
farscott
In my opinion, Ohtani is worth more to the business of a baseball team than to the win-loss record of a team. The Angels benefit from quite a bit of Japanese company advertisements and sponsorships because Ohtani currently plays for that team. He also sells a lot of merchandise and gets lots of media coverage. It would make sense that the same would be true for any west coast team that trades for or signs him. For a team like the Dodgers, Giants, or Mariners, Ohtani could be a great marketing opportunity..
OCBeachFan
Ohtani is a great player and an incredible talent but he is overrated and his next contract is virtually guaranteed to be a disaster from a performance standpoint.
-He will be 30 the first season of the contract. Hard to overstate how much of a red flag that is. Amazing that isn’t being considered more in discussions about his next contract. If he were 28 (more like 27) the first season of his contract, it would be somewhat of a different story (although he still wouldn’t be worth the salary he is set to receive). 30 is way too old for the first season of the contract.
-He is a pitcher who requires a 6 pitcher rotation. Negates the myth of a saved roster spot, and guarantees that a below average (likely way below average) additional pitcher has to be carried. Instead of saving a roster spot, the reality is more like he costs whatever team he’s on a total of 2-2.5 roster spots- between the 6 pitcher rotation and him being a permanent DH who doesn’t play the field. Not only that, but his WAR is less valuable than face value because the below average pitcher that has to be carried because of Ohtani has to be factored in.
-He’s a permanent DH, which hamstrings the DH spot- other players can’t be rotated in to the DH spot for various purposes.
-He has averaged around 6 WAR per season since his debut. He’s not a phenom in terms of actual production in any way, shape, or form. There have been many players in history who have averaged 6 WAR (or better) through their first 6 years in MLB. Yes, he has peaked in the last 3 years (and is having his best season in his contract year- ‘shocker’)- but that obviously will not last. He still has not had a season as good as Trout’s 2 best seasons (might finally happen this season) and he will not remain nearly at his current level because of age (as well as possibly because of injuries).
-His value is roughly evenly split between being a pitcher and a hitter. That means that as soon as he becomes a 1 dimensional player (he likely won’t pitch for much longer, at least effectively), his value will go way down.
His next contract is guaranteed to be a disaster from a performance standpoint and he should be traded. In fact, he should have been traded by last season’s trade deadline at the latest. Signing him would just be yet another disastrous signing of an aging player with nothing but the decline phase to look forward to.
Chicks dig bunting
Iam not giving up a ton of top prospects for a 30 pitcher hitter he’s going to have arm problems you know that and again he’s 30 I’ll keep my young guys thank you and the money he’s going to ask for no thank you
dasit
genuine question: does increased attendance for 2 months and a bump in merchandise sales make a big difference on the balance sheet of a multibillion dollar entity?
baked mcbride
As an O’s fan living in the Mike Elias era, it’s awesome to say that I’m totally cool if we do or do not get Shohei. I think he should do it, though. Never again will Baltimore have the opportunity and surplus talent capital to trade for arguably the most exciting player of any generation at his apex for an exciting playoff run? How do you bypass that?
baked mcbride
His name is ShOhei Ohtani for heaven’s sake. I bet he’d be stoked to join the O’s and we just traded for a fellow countryman.
Thornton Mellon
This would basically be the most un-Oriole move in this century. The closest would be signing Miguel Tejada when he was prime and coming off an MVP season.
I fully agree with making the entire rotation better from top to bottom but I think this can be accomplished by picking up maybe a not quite as good, but still very good younger starter with more team control who wouldn’t cost as much.
“Orioles interested” in this case is like me thinking about car shopping and getting that sports car for a minute before going out and getting another practical, cheaper Toyota.
Angels & NL West
Arte likes shiny toys and none shine brighter than Shohei. If Arte wants to resign Shohei, and believes he has a chance to do so, than Arte will not trade Shohei. I believe Arte will make Shohei a very competitive offer this off-season. Whether or not Shohei accepts is the bigger question.
DB O’s Cooper
I hope the O’s don’t give up the farm for these trades. Looks like Dallas will of out of twins deal on trade deadline day. Perfect ground ball pitcher for Camden Yards. Plus he and Mike Elias know each other from Astro days.
O’s trade for RP like Josh Hader and bring up Heston I think we are good wit no injuries happening