Headlines

  • Orioles Fire Manager Brandon Hyde
  • Ben Joyce Undergoes Season-Ending Shoulder Surgery
  • Dodgers Promote Dalton Rushing, Designate Austin Barnes For Assignment
  • Major League Baseball Rules That Permanent Ineligibility Ends At Death
  • Rangers Place Corey Seager On Injured List
  • Cubs Promote Moises Ballesteros
  • Previous
  • Next
Register
Login
  • Hoops Rumors
  • Pro Football Rumors
  • Pro Hockey Rumors

MLB Trade Rumors

Remove Ads
  • Home
  • Teams
    • AL East
      • Baltimore Orioles
      • Boston Red Sox
      • New York Yankees
      • Tampa Bay Rays
      • Toronto Blue Jays
    • AL Central
      • Chicago White Sox
      • Cleveland Guardians
      • Detroit Tigers
      • Kansas City Royals
      • Minnesota Twins
    • AL West
      • Houston Astros
      • Los Angeles Angels
      • Oakland Athletics
      • Seattle Mariners
      • Texas Rangers
    • NL East
      • Atlanta Braves
      • Miami Marlins
      • New York Mets
      • Philadelphia Phillies
      • Washington Nationals
    • NL Central
      • Chicago Cubs
      • Cincinnati Reds
      • Milwaukee Brewers
      • Pittsburgh Pirates
      • St. Louis Cardinals
    • NL West
      • Arizona Diamondbacks
      • Colorado Rockies
      • Los Angeles Dodgers
      • San Diego Padres
      • San Francisco Giants
  • About
    • MLB Trade Rumors
    • Tim Dierkes
    • Writing team
    • Advertise
    • Archives
  • Contact
  • Tools
    • 2024-25 MLB Free Agent List
    • 2025-26 MLB Free Agent List
    • 2024-25 Top 50 MLB Free Agents With Predictions
    • Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2025
    • Free Agent Contest Leaderboard
    • Contract Tracker
    • Transaction Tracker
    • Agency Database
  • NBA/NFL/NHL
    • Hoops Rumors
    • Pro Football Rumors
    • Pro Hockey Rumors
  • App
  • Chats
Go To Pro Hockey Rumors
Go To Hoops Rumors

Tony Gonsolin To Undergo Tommy John Surgery

By Anthony Franco | August 28, 2023 at 11:59pm CDT

The Dodgers announced that Tony Gonsolin will undergo Tommy John surgery. The procedure will be performed by Dr. Neal ElAttrache on Friday.

Gonsolin was already known to be out for the remainder of the 2023 season. The club had announced his injury as forearm inflammation when first placing him on the IL last week. They transferred him to the 60-day IL yesterday to close the book on this year.

Now, it seems unlikely he’ll be a factor again until 2025. A Tommy John procedure typically comes with a recovery time pushing or exceeding 14 months. Perhaps he’d be able to make a return late next season, but the safer bet is that he’ll spend the entire ’24 campaign on the 60-day injured list.

Arm injuries have been an unfortunately recurring theme for Gonsolin during his five-year big league career. He lost a couple months early in 2021 with shoulder inflammation. He posted a 3.23 ERA in 15 starts that year and was healthy for the first part of 2022. Gonsolin turned in an All-Star first half and worked to a sparkling 2.14 ERA through 130 1/3 innings. A forearm strain sent him to the IL in late August.

Gonsolin returned at the end of September and made a start in L.A.’s playoff series loss to the Padres. His 2023 debut was delayed by an unrelated ankle sprain, though he returned in late April. The 29-year-old worked 103 innings across 20 outings, struggling to his first below-average season. He allowed just under five earned runs per nine while striking hitters out at a career-low 18.9% clip while his average fastball speed dipped from 93.1 MPH to 92.4 MPH. Things spiraled from late June onward, as Gonsolin allowed four-plus runs in eight of his 11 outings before being placed on the IL.

The Dodgers have now lost a pair of their expected top five starters to forearm surgeries. Dustin May underwent a flexor tendon procedure in early July. The Dodgers indicated May could be back midway through the ’24 season.

Los Angeles was certain to address their rotation next offseason even if May and Gonsolin had been healthy. Clayton Kershaw is an impending free agent, and while the Dodgers would surely have interest in re-signing him, the three-time Cy Young winner will first need to decide whether he wants to suit up for a 17th season. Julio Urías will be one of the top starters in next winter’s free agent class, while the Dodgers will have to make a net $17MM decision on an option for Lance Lynn.

The Dodgers could welcome Walker Buehler back in short stints next month and transition him back to the rotation for ’24. Rookie Bobby Miller has pitched well enough to stake a claim to a spot. That leaves as many as three jobs still to be sorted out between free agency, trade and some combination of Ryan Pepiot, Emmet Sheehan, Gavin Stone, Michael Grove and perhaps a prospect like Nick Frasso or Landon Knack. The pitching pipeline is strong enough they won’t be short on options, but they’ll obviously need to fortify the starting staff with additional certainty.

Gonsolin signed a two-year deal to cover his first couple arbitration seasons in January. He’s guaranteed a $3.4MM base salary for next year. That deal contained up to $3MM in start-based incentives which he won’t be able to trigger even if he makes a late-season return. Even beyond the lengthy rehab process, the absence will be fairly costly for the right-hander. He’ll remain eligible for arbitration through the 2026 campaign.

Share 0 Retweet 0 Send via email0

Los Angeles Dodgers Newsstand Tony Gonsolin

Twins Notes: Correa, Lewis, Julien, Wallner, Buxton
Main
The Opener: Brantley, Tigers, Acuna
View Comments (109)
Post a Comment

109 Comments

  1. Ignorant Son-of-a-b

    2 years ago

    Okay we need to start pitching underhanded eeephus pitches only from now on. Or knuckleballs only …5 man rotation of Charlie Hough clones and they can pitch until they’re 60.

    7
    Reply
    • Tyson’s Pet Tiger

      2 years ago

      get new material

      5
      Reply
      • Deadguy

        2 years ago

        He’s like “You ain’t man enough to handle a man like me”

        Reply
      • Tyson’s Pet Tiger

        2 years ago

        @tcsbaseball i’m sorry i take it back friend

        2
        Reply
      • Bart Harley Jarvis

        2 years ago

        I’m glad you guys made nice. It warms the heart.

        2
        Reply
    • Hemlock

      2 years ago

      >need to start pitching underhanded

      Women throw softballs underhanded pretty fast. I don’t know how well (if at all) that would work with a baseball.

      2
      Reply
      • Deadguy

        2 years ago

        I want Haliey Cruse to be my everyday starting left fielder

        Reply
    • avenger65

      2 years ago

      Ignorant: So, slow pitch softball. That’s true, you never see those weekend warriors undergo TJS. Charlie Hough is a good start, but don’t forget Wilbur Wood, who pitched both ends of a doubleheader more than once for the White Sox. Then there’s Phil Niekro, etc.

      5
      Reply
      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        2 years ago

        Love Wilbur Wood!! Hey I have a fuzzy memory but how about Tom Candiotti …Cleveland pitcher, was he a knuckleballer as well? He had a couple good seasons if I’m recalling correctly.

        3
        Reply
        • dkhits20

          2 years ago

          There was this baseball instructional show that was on WGN in the early 90’s and on one episode, Candiotti gave an awesome tutorial on the knuckleball. You might be able to find it online somewhere. That became my go-to pitch in neighborhood games as a kid.

          2
          Reply
        • Chris from NJ

          2 years ago

          Yup Candiotti was a decent starter. I remember him more as an Indian or should I say Guardian. He was in LA for a few years. Like most knuckleballers he stuck around for awhile.

          1
          Reply
        • Mr big dig

          2 years ago

          Chris how’s it feel to have every team in your local area suck a huge one?

          Reply
        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          2 years ago

          I believe the correct spelling is ‘yuge’. I’m here to help.

          Reply
        • Chris from NJ

          2 years ago

          Learn to spell first before trolling. It feels great thanks for asking. You must be a toolbox from a small market.And I’d assume that’s not all that’s small on you.

          Reply
        • Mr big dig

          2 years ago

          Go Dodgers baby!

          I’m from sunny ratless schmuckless LA. I just love when the Yankees and Mets suck. Specially NYY. The days of them playing against part time butchers and grocery clerks are O-V-E-R. You’ll never see another dynasty again unless as long as LA, HOU, and ATL are around. Send the message ^_^

          Reply
        • Chris from NJ

          2 years ago

          I don’t think LA is “shmuckless” because your saying you live there. And again your grammar is terrible but I’ll give you credit trying to use Yiddish.I like the Dodgers but dynasty? They’ve won one world series in the last 35 years. One!!! Houston has 2 in that time as do the Braves and those Yankees have 5. And since 88 every time the Mets and Dodgers have met in the playoffs LA went home.The Dodgers are a regular season juggernaut who disappear in the playoffs. And you are a small market toolbox. NYC>LA. NYC is the largest market in the USA. Go Astros!!!!

          Reply
        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          2 years ago

          Guys, can’t we make nice like @Tcsbaseball and @Tyson’s Pet Tiger did in their replies above? They’re truly an inspiration to us all.

          Reply
        • Chris from NJ

          2 years ago

          I did say above that I like the Dodgers. And I personally have nothing against the Dodgers or Los Angeles. Seems like this guy had something bad happen to him in New York and can’t get over it. Kinda lame. I won’t engage any further. You have my word.

          1
          Reply
      • Sunday Lasagna

        2 years ago

        Wilbur Wood hurled 376.2 innings in 49 games with a 2.51 ERA, 20 CG’s and 8 shutouts during the 154 game strike shortened season in 1972.

        Had they played 162, he would have had at least 2 more starts, over 390 innings.

        Not that bullpens were used as they are today, but what would a pitcher be worth today if he could throw 375 plus innings of 2.51 ERA ball in a season.

        5
        Reply
        • miltpappas

          2 years ago

          Like Warren Spahn, Wilbur Wood “pitched”. He didn’t “whip” the ball. The new generation learns at a young age to throw as hard as they can and it destroys their arms. Plus, pitchers have been sissified over the past 30-40 years with this “Oh, no! He can’t go more than six” philosophy. Let them man up and start pitching complete games again.

          BBRB = Bring Back Real Baseball

          2
          Reply
        • filihok

          2 years ago

          Tommy John surgery was invented in the 1974. Of course pitchers in the to 0’s and 70’s were getting hurt.

          “In the 1960s and early 1970s, the incidence of shoulder and elbow pain in professional baseball pitchers approached 50%”

          And it was a problem long before that.

          “The first report documenting elbow problems in professional baseball players was published in 1941”

          ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2465120/#:~:text=….

          Total garbage take.

          When did people get so sissified that they think whatever they want to be true is true?

          Pathetic

          Reply
      • Deadguy

        2 years ago

        But only Dave Veres threw a SCREWBALL

        Reply
        • Sunday Lasagna

          2 years ago

          Fernando had an impressive screwball.

          2
          Reply
    • Deadguy

      2 years ago

      Ignorant son of a b… NAH MANFRED JUST NEEDS TO GET OVER HIMSELF and eliminate the pitch timer and change of pace rules so these boys get a chance to be Randy Johnson instead of SHORT BOYS….

      Reply
    • longines64

      2 years ago

      Hoyt Wilhelm

      1
      Reply
      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        2 years ago

        Man!!!!! I can’t believe nobody mentioned Hoyt until now…probably the Knucklebull King. Pittsburgh Pirates I believe?

        Reply
  2. solaris602

    2 years ago

    Oh for God’s sake! This is insane!

    2
    Reply
    • Deadguy

      2 years ago

      The dodgers got so much depth that not getting dude from Detroit shouldn’t matter at all? What ate you talking about? – Tommy Lasorda

      Reply
  3. BaseballisLife

    2 years ago

    That’s #2 for him?

    1
    Reply
    • vtadave

      2 years ago

      no

      Reply
      • BaseballisLife

        2 years ago

        What were the injuries that kept him out so much time over the past 5 seasons.

        Reply
        • tstats

          2 years ago

          Forearm (rehab) and other than that I think it was more pitch count stuff

          1
          Reply
        • BaseballisLife

          2 years ago

          Thanks. Appreciate the info.

          Reply
        • desertball

          2 years ago

          Shoulder and ankle

          1
          Reply
  4. bag o ballz

    2 years ago

    that’s it the dodgers are are toast!

    1
    Reply
    • Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm

      2 years ago

      Time for a rebuild!

      1
      Reply
      • Sunday Lasagna

        2 years ago

        Dodgers are going to win 100 games for the 3rd straight year and you want them to rebuild…..

        5
        Reply
        • Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm

          2 years ago

          It’s a joke. I’m guessing you’re not too familiar with those

          8
          Reply
        • Sunday Lasagna

          2 years ago

          I’m sorry SenorTortas, yes I should have seen the sarcasm. : )

          4
          Reply
        • Deadguy

          2 years ago

          The internet is fully of SMILEY GLAD HANDS!

          They make serious people look like who framed rodger rabbit all the time?

          Reply
      • avenger65

        2 years ago

        How many Dodgers have undergone TJS in recent years? Seems like more than most other teams.

        2
        Reply
    • Braves Butt-Head

      2 years ago

      So who’s the Jelly

      Reply
      • Deadguy

        2 years ago

        Jellyrolls grave digger, I mean gold digger

        Reply
  5. Sunday Lasagna

    2 years ago

    In 8 years through the minors and majors Gonsolin never threw more than 132 innings in a season.

    2
    Reply
    • Datashark

      2 years ago

      probably began in youth baseball such as travel ball to pitch constantly

      Reply
    • vtadave

      2 years ago

      Nope. 132 1/3 in 2022! haha

      2
      Reply
      • Sunday Lasagna

        2 years ago

        Lol you got me vtaDave

        Reply
        • Deadguy

          2 years ago

          “Oh whats this a bar of soap”

          “Ha I got you good!”

          Bite it rook make him look like a pig

          Come on bite it

          “Oh hell Give me the soap”

          *Bites it and spits chunk out*

          There ya happy? Now my poop is purple and smells like rainbow sherbert!

          Reply
    • Senioreditor

      2 years ago

      and the babying again fails…..

      Reply
      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Ignorant comment, of course.

        You can’t know that pitchers who weren’t “babied”, wouldn’t get injured at a higher rate. They almost certainly would.

        1
        Reply
        • Senioreditor

          2 years ago

          It’s far from ignorant. EVERYONE is babied and they all get injured. Maybe a different path is necessary? One thing I know for SURE, what they’re doing today is NOT working and there’s plenty of statistical proof to back it up. Injuries and surgery increase every year and will until they try something different. Either don’t expect everyone to throw 100+ mph or pitch them more, younger and find out who’s arm can actually sustain pitching. Because this way ain’t working and continuing down this path is ridiculous.

          1
          Reply
        • Steve E.

          2 years ago

          Amen. Preach it, brother.

          Reply
        • filihok

          2 years ago

          It’s very ignorant

          Think for a few seconds about what you’re saying.

          You want teams to pitch pitchers more to find out who can avoid injury? What’s the weeding out process for that going to look like? A bunch of UCL injuries for the pitchers who can’t handle it? What do you think you’ve gained?

          TJ surgery was invented nearly a half century ago. This is not a new issue. Arms aren’t made to do this.

          Reply
        • Manfred Rob's Earth Band

          2 years ago

          Ignorant comment, of course.

          You can’t know that pitchers who were babied wouldn’t get injured at a higher rate. They almost certainly would.

          Reply
  6. corrosive23

    2 years ago

    Knew that was coming

    1
    Reply
  7. Neon Cop

    2 years ago

    3rd starter to have major surgery in the past year? But I thought the Dodgers staff was a step ahead of everyone?

    1
    Reply
    • Longtimecoming

      2 years ago

      Well I’m anti-Dodger but this sucks for the guy. Someone explain how Urias, Anderson, Gonsolin and Heaney were rather dominant in 2022 and all went down the tubes in 23. Kershaw is still doing Kershaw things between IL stints.

      Somehow, they have some young guys holding it together and are in first.

      Last year they had pitching and hitting. This year only the hitting has been above average – by a lot.

      But the hitting has been so “when it matters” to translate into wins.

      I can’t see them relying on Buehler (limited innings) and those same 4 or 5 young guys in 24 but it kind of reminds of Atlanta in early 90’s – throw em out there and see what happens.

      1
      Reply
      • vtadave

        2 years ago

        Anderson and Heaney went “down the tubes” because they left the Dodgers. Urias’ strikeout and walk rates are better than his career averages, but he’s been bit by the long ball far too much. More of an issue with inconsistent location from what I’ve seen

        2
        Reply
        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          “Because they left the Dodgers” –
          Really, that is your explanation for 2 different guys decline.

          Oh, can I mention they 2 others didn’t leave the Dodgers and they declined drastically.

          Reply
      • filihok

        2 years ago

        Longtimecoming: “Someone explain how Urias, Anderson, Gonsolin and Heaney were rather dominant in 2022 and all went down the tubes in 23”

        Let’s start with Anderson. He really wasn’t dominant in 2022. He had a 103 xFIP last year (basically league average) compared to a 106 career xFIP (basically career average). He really didn’t pitch any better. He had a super low BABIP (.256 compared to .292 career) and HR/FB rate (6.4% to 11.4%). He is pitching worse this year. Largely walking a lot more (5% to 10%) and giving up more home runs (1% increase in HR/FB rate, but his highest FB% of his career. Couple that with a huge increase in BABIP (256 to .321) and things looks a lot different (58 point increase in ERA-, compared to just a 23 point increase in xFIP-).

        Next, Heaney. He had an outlier year in 2022 for K%-BB% (19% to 29%).. Was that because the Dodgers knew how to have him pitch, or because he only faced 300 hitters and it’s easier for extreme results in small samples? Or a combination of both? I’d bet on the latter.

        As for Urias, his BB (6% to 5%) and K (24% to 25%) rates are about the same. Thus, his xFIP- for both years is about the same (95 to 93). He’s not really pitching worse than last season. Last year he had a super low .229 BABIP, this year’s is a more normal .277. He’s given up a few more homers (15% to 10%).
        Last year a monster 86% strand rate. This year he’s just at 74%. He’s pitching about the same. Was lucky last year, and unlucky this year.

        Gonsolin. He’s been injured this year, that’s one obvious thing. So, he has worse BB (7% to 9%) and K (24% to 19%) rates. Also a much worse HR/FB rate (8% to 14%). Like Urias, a huge strand rate (84%) last year and a terrible one (68%) this year. Pitching worse, likely due to his injury, and worse luck.

        As is almost always the case with these things, pitcher who looked really good one year got some added luck, and pitcher who looked really bad another year, got bad luck. And their underlying skills didn’t really change THAT much.

        2
        Reply
        • filihok

          2 years ago

          TLDR:

          PITCHER 2022 ERA-/2023 ERA-, 2022 xFIP-/2023 xFIP-
          Anderson 65/122, 102/126
          Heaney 78/100, 71/105
          Urias 55/103, 95/93
          Gonsolin 55/103, 93/120

          Total difference in ERA- 175.
          Total difference in xFIP- 77

          Much less difference in xFIP- than in ERA-. And xFIP- is a much better measure of pitcher performance.

          Their actual pitching doesn’t look like it’s changed nearly as much as ERA might lead you to believe.

          1
          Reply
        • filihok

          2 years ago

          Dodgers 2023 starters and 2024 Status

          Urias – 20 GS, 112 Innings. Free Agent
          Gonsolin – 20 GS, 103 innings. Likely to miss season with injury
          Kershaw – 19 GS, 107 innings. Free agent
          Miller – 15 GS, 82 innings. Likely rotation member
          Syndergaard – 12 GS, 55 innings. Traded
          Grove – 12 GS, 50 innings. Likely AAA
          May – 9 GS, 48 innings, Injured. May be back at mid season.
          Sheehan – 7 GS, 34 innings. Likely AAA
          Lynn – 5 GS, 30 innings. Team option
          Yarbrough – 5 bulk games, 15 innings.
          Stone – 3 GS, 10 innings. Likely AAA
          Pepiot – 2 bulk games, 9 innings. Likely AAA
          Buehler – 0 GS, 0 innings. Likely rotation.

          Only one pitcher, rookie Bobby MIller, who made starts (openers excluded) for the Dodgers this year is both under contract and likely to make the opening day Dodger rotation next year.

          Buehler is likely to be in the rotation. But, he has to show that he’s healthy.

          Hopefully Kershaw will be back for his 25 or so starts.

          Urias seems unlikely to be re-signed. But, maybe.

          Lynn might be re-signed. Maybe not

          Yarbrough may be back as a long-reliever/spot starter.

          May might be back. Maybe not.

          Stone, Pepiot, Grove and Sheehan aren’t likely to be handed a starting spot out of spring training.

          The Dodgers need at least 2 pitchers who aren’t under contract for next year. Maybe 3 if Lynn isn’t re-signed. Two of those may be Kershaw and Urias

          A rotation of: Kershaw, Urias, Miller, Buehler and Lynn with Yarbrough and Stone, Pepiot, Grove and Sheehan and maybe May at mid-season might be enough.

          Or the team could use some of the rookie pitchers, and other minor leauge talent, to acquire pitching through trade.

          1
          Reply
        • Steve E.

          2 years ago

          Pepiot earned a rotation spot this spring but was injured. He wasn’t handed anything. He’ll be in the rotation in 2024, too, I betcha.

          1
          Reply
        • longines64

          2 years ago

          They will go after Nola

          Reply
    • Sunday Lasagna

      2 years ago

      @Neon Cop 1/3 of MLB pitchers has had TJS. This isn’t a Dodgers issue, it’s an Baseball issue

      syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1699659-the-ala…

      1
      Reply
      • Neon Cop

        2 years ago

        every team has lost 3 starters to TJ within the past year?

        1
        Reply
        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          I think the Padres had 2021 as their year. It rotates between teams!

          Reply
      • captainsalty

        2 years ago

        Don’t feed the trolls. PeeonCop is just here to trash the Dodgers and stir the pot to get the attention he didn’t receive as a child.

        Reply
        • Neon Cop

          2 years ago

          No clue who you are…

          Reply
      • BaseballisLife

        2 years ago

        An article from 2013? Seriously?

        Reply
      • nitnontu

        2 years ago

        And that 1/3 figure of pitchers having Tommy John surgery was from 10 years ago. I wonder how much higher the figure is now

        Reply
  8. Butter Biscuits

    2 years ago

    Get well soon Tony! I’ll leave the light on for you buddy.

    1
    Reply
  9. filihok

    2 years ago

    Dodgers’ 5 rookie starters have combined for

    45G, 37GS, 211 IP, 7%BB, 21%K, 5.50 ERA, but 4.40 FIP, 4.42 xFIP

    So, bad ERA, but league averagish peripheral numbers including FIP and xFIP

    2
    Reply
  10. mikesciosciastragicillness

    2 years ago

    The Dodgers medical staff needs to be overhauled

    1
    Reply
    • highflyballintorightfield

      2 years ago

      I don’t know if it’s the medical staff, or the Dodgers’ (and most of the rest of baseball’s) current pitching philosophy. Pitchers throw all out every pitch for as long as they’re in there, no pacing yourself. This may lead to the lowest possible ERAs but also a lot of ills: short starts/exhausted bullpens, babying instead of building up prospects, and injuries. I’d put this more on Friedman and analytics.

      1
      Reply
      • filihok

        2 years ago

        What are you “putting on” Friedman and analytics, exactly?

        Increased performance? Even with “short starts/exhausted bullpens, babying instead of building up prospects and injuries” (granting,for now, that increased injuries are a result of current pitching philosophy), pitchers have had the advantage (causing MLB to introduce (it appears) a more lively ball and rules more favorable to hitters.

        Why on earth would teams adopt strategies that lead to decreased performance?

        Winning brings fans. You don’t see old school teams like the Rockies and Royals leading the league in attendance, do you? Who does? Largely teams that win, including Friedman’s Dodgers.

        1
        Reply
  11. LordD99

    2 years ago

    Of course.

    1
    Reply
  12. highflyballintorightfield

    2 years ago

    Sounds like he’s been pitching with this for at least a couple months and was shelved only for ineffectiveness. Impressive in its own way, but before the 70s every pitcher with a dead arm had to do this… just tough it out.

    1
    Reply
    • LordD99

      2 years ago

      Seems like Ohtani might have been pitching with a damaged wing for a bit too, refusing an MRI. Whenever I look at the baseball records of old-time pitchers who were very good and then hit a wall, I suspect they probably had blown out the toe UCL’s, but there was no surgery then for that.

      3
      Reply
      • LordD99

        2 years ago

        “Elbow”, not toe. They probably could have handled the toe tear!

        3
        Reply
      • highflyballintorightfield

        2 years ago

        As a child I had a book that had biographies of prominent baseball players, Koufax among them. Even though written for children/young adults, the descriptions of what he pitched through were so gruesome I still remember them. Elbow swollen up so his arm was as big as his leg, mainlining cortisone, a numb fingertip split without bleeding, his left palm faced out at rest. And he’d be out a week or two then be back at it.

        1
        Reply
  13. azmacky

    2 years ago

    Sorry to say but he probably pitched his last game as a Dodger

    1
    Reply
  14. TheStevilEmpire1

    2 years ago

    Before the spitball was banned:

    0 Tommy John Surgeries

    After Tommy John came around:

    1000s of Tommy John Surgeries

    Coincidence? I think not.

    Reply
  15. soulcrusher

    2 years ago

    No one cares about this clown.

    Reply
    • filihok

      2 years ago

      More people care about Gonsolin than care about soulcrusher.
      Being a jerk just to be a jerk

      Muted

      2
      Reply
      • Dodger Dogg

        2 years ago

        Fillhok, he was talking about himself.

        2
        Reply
  16. Smacky

    2 years ago

    Dodgers are starting to become the new Mets when it comes to breaking pitchers. At this point you’ve got to start looking at coaching or how they’re handling their pitchers day to day work. Gonsolin isn’t even a max effort guy like all the dudes getting their string-cheese elbows weaved back together.

    Reply
  17. implant

    2 years ago

    Funny how no team reaches out to Leo Mazzone and ask why none of his starters had TJS
    Spin rate, speed gun, weighted balls sweepers and aiming for 100 mph kill arms. Pitchers need to rum more, build up their lower body and throw much more long toss.

    Reply
    • BlueSkies_LA

      2 years ago

      If Gonsolin is aiming for 100 mph he missed. By a lot.

      2
      Reply
      • implant

        2 years ago

        One size does not fit all

        Reply
        • BlueSkies_LA

          2 years ago

          If the shoe fits, wear it.

          Reply
    • Tigers3232

      2 years ago

      Mazzone is almost 75 some teams might have reached out to him and he has no desire or is not healthy enough to do so. Also half of the “Young Guns”(as they were referred to) of those Braves teams, had careers derailed by injury. Smoltz and Glavine obviously had amazing careers. Avery though hurt his arm with Braves and his career was never the same. Pete Smith was injured and never really took off.

      So the notion Braves taught their pitchers to avoid injury is utterly false

      1
      Reply
    • bigalcathey

      2 years ago

      Smoltz had TJ surgery

      2
      Reply
  18. Dodger Dogg

    2 years ago

    See you in 18 months, Cat Man. Good luck to you!

    Roberts has a month to figure out who will replace Tony in the playoffs.

    This leaves yet another rotation spot open for one of these rookies in ’24. Miller should have already earned a spot in next year’s rotation. Sheehan has an impressive repertoire of pitches early on. Hopefully Gavin Stone can make strides and contribute more next year.
    Good news, the Dodgers luxury tax threshold will be reset so they’ll spend in the offseason.

    Go Big Blue!

    Reply
    • BlueSkies_LA

      2 years ago

      This news doesn’t change anything for the playoffs, at least not for 2023. Also not sure where you get a CBT reset for the Dodgers. They are well over this year.

      Reply
    • implant

      2 years ago

      The Dodgers exceeded the threshold in 2022 and 2023. If they exceed next season they will be subjected to a 50% penalty
      They were on course to reset this year but the Trevor Bauer ruling put them over the line. The figure used for tax purposes is a teams payroll as of opening day. If the ruling came after opening day the 20 million or so would not have counted against their opening day payroll and then they would have been on course to reset.

      Reply
      • BigFred

        2 years ago

        From the MLB website… “Every team’s final CBT figure is calculated at the end of each season.” mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-…

        4
        Reply
        • implant

          2 years ago

          The end of year CBT figure is used to determine how much a team owns. A team is determined to go over if their opening day roster is exceeds $233 million. Bauer out them at 232 and the trade for Rojas put them at 237. They will be paying the hugest rate this year

          Reply
      • BlueSkies_LA

        2 years ago

        FWIW, the Bauer ruling actually put them just under the CBT line by a whisker. So close they couldn’t even promote anyone from the minors without exceeding it. A technicality, but that’s the way it was. just the same. The gift that keeps on giving.

        Reply
        • implant

          2 years ago

          Put them at 232. Trading for Rojas put them at 237. If the ruling came down after opening they would have had an opening day salary at 215, well under the treshhold. Bad timing

          Reply
        • BlueSkies_LA

          2 years ago

          But as it has already been pointed out the CBT is calculated at the end of the season, not at the beginning.

          Reply
        • Dodger Dogg

          2 years ago

          I see. So, according to Spotrac, their projected payroll in ’24 is $136 million. That’s only for 12 players (which includes Treinin, Hudson, Kelly & Gonsolin).
          That leads me to believe two things:

          1) the front office will have a busy offseason
          2) They’ll exceed the $237 CBT threshold

          So, why not go big?

          Reply
  19. itsmeheyhii

    2 years ago

    Man, this sucks. I’m a Yankees fan but I have always loved Gonsolin. Seems like a no-BS, hard working type of pitcher and he’s fun to bet on. Hate to see it.

    1
    Reply
  20. DanUgglasRing

    2 years ago

    Tommy Johnsolin

    3
    Reply
  21. Joshy

    2 years ago

    Tony GoneSoLong

    Reply
  22. LarryJ4

    2 years ago

    Talk about “babying” a pitcher doesn’t do anything to protect an arm! Gonsolin was the most “babied” pitcher in the game by a team. SMH. All these millions of dollars the league makes and they still can’t figure out this problem!

    Reply
  23. burly

    2 years ago

    Ruthlessly pricking our Gonsolin bubble….

    Reply
  24. cmanson

    2 years ago

    Tony said he knew his arm was toast dating back to June, so in real life terms, he knew prior to signing that contract extension. Convenient

    Reply
    • BlueSkies_LA

      2 years ago

      Linkage, or you’re full of it.

      Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Please login to leave a reply.

Log in Register

ad: 300x250_1_MLB

    Top Stories

    Orioles Fire Manager Brandon Hyde

    Ben Joyce Undergoes Season-Ending Shoulder Surgery

    Dodgers Promote Dalton Rushing, Designate Austin Barnes For Assignment

    Major League Baseball Rules That Permanent Ineligibility Ends At Death

    Rangers Place Corey Seager On Injured List

    Cubs Promote Moises Ballesteros

    Evan Longoria To Sign One-Day Contract, Retire As Member Of Rays

    Diamondbacks To Promote Jordan Lawlar

    Rockies Fire Bud Black

    Cubs Promote Cade Horton

    Rafael Devers Unwilling To Play First Base

    Pirates Fire Manager Derek Shelton

    Mariners Claim Leody Taveras

    Rangers Hire Bret Boone As Hitting Coach

    A.J. Minter To Undergo Season-Ending Lat Surgery

    Blue Jays Sign Spencer Turnbull

    Blue Jays Sign José Ureña

    Ross Stripling Retires

    Rangers Place Leody Taveras On Outright Waivers

    Triston Casas Likely To Miss Entire 2025 Season Due To Knee Surgery

    Recent

    NL East Notes: Young, Mauricio, Edwards

    MLBTR Chat Transcript

    Dodgers Notes: Kershaw, Edman, Hernandez, Ohtani

    Giants Move Jordan Hicks To Bullpen

    Dodgers Activate Clayton Kershaw

    Twins Place Byron Buxton On Concussion IL

    Jose Quintana Seeking Second Opinion On Shoulder

    Pirates Activate Spencer Horwitz

    White Sox Outright Jacob Amaya

    Yankees Notes: Canning, Cousins, Stanton

    ad: 300x250_5_side_mlb

    MLBTR Newsletter - Hot stove highlights in your inbox, five days a week

    Latest Rumors & News

    Latest Rumors & News

    • 2024-25 Top 50 MLB Free Agents With Predictions
    • Nolan Arenado Rumors
    • Dylan Cease Rumors
    • Luis Robert Rumors
    • Marcus Stroman Rumors

     

    Trade Rumors App for iOS and Android

    MLBTR Features

    MLBTR Features

    • Remove Ads, Support Our Writers
    • Front Office Originals
    • Front Office Fantasy Baseball
    • MLBTR Podcast
    • 2024-25 Offseason Outlook Series
    • 2025 Arbitration Projections
    • 2024-25 MLB Free Agent List
    • 2025-26 MLB Free Agent List
    • Contract Tracker
    • Transaction Tracker
    • Extension Tracker
    • Agency Database
    • MLBTR On Twitter
    • MLBTR On Facebook
    • Team Facebook Pages
    • How To Set Up Notifications For Breaking News
    • Hoops Rumors
    • Pro Football Rumors
    • Pro Hockey Rumors

    Rumors By Team

    • Angels Rumors
    • Astros Rumors
    • Athletics Rumors
    • Blue Jays Rumors
    • Braves Rumors
    • Brewers Rumors
    • Cardinals Rumors
    • Cubs Rumors
    • Diamondbacks Rumors
    • Dodgers Rumors
    • Giants Rumors
    • Guardians Rumors
    • Mariners Rumors
    • Marlins Rumors
    • Mets Rumors
    • Nationals Rumors
    • Orioles Rumors
    • Padres Rumors
    • Phillies Rumors
    • Pirates Rumors
    • Rangers Rumors
    • Rays Rumors
    • Red Sox Rumors
    • Reds Rumors
    • Rockies Rumors
    • Royals Rumors
    • Tigers Rumors
    • Twins Rumors
    • White Sox Rumors
    • Yankees Rumors

    ad: 160x600_MLB

    Navigation

    • Sitemap
    • Archives
    • RSS/Twitter Feeds By Team

    MLBTR INFO

    • Advertise
    • About
    • Commenting Policy
    • Privacy Policy

    Connect

    • Contact Us
    • Twitter
    • Facebook
    • RSS Feed

    MLB Trade Rumors is not affiliated with Major League Baseball, MLB or MLB.com

    hide arrows scroll to top

    Register

    Desktop Version | Switch To Mobile Version