The Pirates announced the signing of first baseman Rowdy Tellez on a one-year contract. It’s reportedly a $3.2MM guarantee. Tellez, who is represented by Primo Sports Group, can earn an additional $800K in incentives.
Tellez has spent the past two and a half seasons in the NL Central as a member of the Brewers. He connected on 35 home runs as recently as 2022. Tellez’s power numbers evaporated last season, as he slumped to 13 longballs through 351 trips to the plate. His slugging percentage fell from .461 to a fringy .376 mark.
Overall, the left-handed hitter turned in a .215/.291/.376 line in 106 contests this year. That’s clearly insufficient for a player whose profile is built around the bat. Tellez doesn’t offer any baserunning value and rates as a below-average defender at first base. Combined with his career-worst showing in the batter’s box, he was below replacement level in 2023.
Pittsburgh takes a low-cost roll of the dice to see if Tellez can recapture some of his previous form. He carried a career .236/.307/.462 line into last season. While that’s still middling production from an average and on-base perspective, he’d shown legitimate power upside. Tellez’s 2023 numbers may have been impacted somewhat by health questions. He lost a couple weeks in July with right forearm inflammation before sustaining a fracture on the ring finger of his left hand in an outfield collision while chasing fly balls during batting practice. That kept him out of action until the middle of August.
The 28-year-old was eligible for arbitration for a final time this offseason. Milwaukee declined to tender him a contract at a projected $5.9MM salary. He’ll indeed come up shy of that figure on the open market but he’ll get a big league opportunity for a rebound showing. Tellez will surpass six years of service time next season and return to free agency at year’s end.
Pittsburgh had a clear need for first base help. The Bucs trade Carlos Santana at the deadline, sending the veteran switch-hitter to Milwaukee in a move that was necessitated for the Brewers by Tellez’s struggles and injuries. Pittsburgh relied mostly on Alfonso Rivas down the stretch; they waived him at season’s end and lost him to the Guardians. Santana returned to free agency, leaving the potential for a reunion, but the Bucs will take what is likely to be a lower-cost shot on Tellez instead.
A left-handed hitter, Tellez seems a likely platoon partner for Connor Joe. The latter produced a .265/.365/.452 showing against left-handed pitching last year. Tellez owns a .231/.302/.464 career slash versus righty arms.
Pittsburgh’s player payroll is up to roughly $58MM, as calculated by Roster Resource. The Bucs opened the ’23 season around $73MM. GM Ben Cherington said at the Winter Meetings the team anticipates surpassing last year’s spending level. That could leave $20MM+ in further space for the front office, which’ll likely look for a mid-rotation arm and perhaps second base help in the coming weeks.
Robert Murray of FanSided first reported the Pirates were in agreement with Tellez. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reported it was a one-year deal that guaranteed roughly $3MM and maxed out at $4MM with incentives. Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette specified the $3.2MM guarantee.
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Another offseason, another mediocre 1B signing with Pittsburgh.
If I had a nickel for every time in the last few years the pirates signed a big boy, fan favorite, 1B from the brewers. I would have 2 nickels
Bragger
Let’s start a pool to determine who it will be next year. I’m gonna start off by saying Garrett Cooper.
Lyle Overbay and Jeromy Burnitz were also former Brewers greats who went to Pittsburgh when they had nothing left, though neither were fat. It’s weird they like to pick up scraps from them.
Reminds me of the fat guy relay race we used to feature at the end of track meets back in school- all shot and djscus throwers. A Rowdy-Choi baton pass would be fun. Do they also feature pierogi races in Pitt?
Why not try a bit harder and make a trade the team owes it to the fans
Because this team has bigger holes than just first base. Why go and trade your prospects now when you can’t guarantee anything beyond the top 2 guys in a rotation.
Let’s trade just to trade
That’s how you fill holes, though, is trade excess for positions of need… No one is saying to offload their top prospects but not everyone will make the lineup in the next few years.
Please tell how you were able to gauge the effort that wasn’t spent.
Who are you giving away for who? Who who. Who who.
Aiming high. Another Bucs type signing and Endy needs arm surgery now
Rowdy. Pirates. Words that go together well. Of course, brewer was a good fit too.
Just make sure there’s always a Polish and 20-oz Yeungling in the on deck circle for him. He needs that more than pine tar and bat weights.
That’s brutal
My mute trigger finger is ready
Absolutely no need for this signing at this time. Tellez simply isn’t good and there are more 1B options than teams that need a 1B.
Brandon Belt, Donovan Solano, Dominic Smith are all still out there. I’d even bet on a guy like Wil Myers turning it around and getting back above 100 ops+ before I’d go Tellez.
Pirates know what they are doing in this case.
what the heck?
Dom Smith? Wil Myers?
Rowdy Tellez 100x better pickup than them.
I like the signing. think he can do well at PNC
We’ll see if Goku is the Knowledgable One. If Myers has a significantly better year that will be impressive and mlb teams should look into hiring you if your other suggestions are as strong as this. Smith has a better chance.
I gave Rowdy my endorsement. Higher ceiling and solid floor.
Those players you mentioned probably want more money than BC was willing to pay.
And thank god for that. To sign either would have been a waste of money. Smith has improved his fielding, but was still a 0.9 WAR player. We already had him on the roster, so to speak, with Connor Joe.
Myers hasn’t been good for the better part of a decade (despite being like he was). Last year he was exceptionally pathetic, to the point that the Reds released him when they didn’t have a 1B. Nobody bothered with him then, at best he’ll get a minor league contract with an opt-out – which would have been more of the same in regards to the Pirates looking for scraps.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not especially impressed with this signing and getting Santana-like production out of him is about as good as it’s going to get at the plate; his defense is adequate at best. It does still give them room to sign Cutch, get a middling SP and a rebound candidate SP, which is fine because none of the available 1Bs were going to turn the Pirates into a playoff team even without the injuries.
There still out there. Only HalosHeaven realizes how good they are.
Hi everyone, super random, and I know this isn’t necessary, but I’m new to the forum/site. I’m in a different career path now, but I still follow actively and I have family who have played professionally, both in the minors and majors. I’ve also got family currently in the “business” as we speak.
Enough “boasting”, looking forward to talking baseball with everyone.
Look forward to the inside information 😉
And big welcome to the site.
@whacamoley You must have joined the family business of playing in the MLB or running teams. Haven’t seen ya around.
Welcome. So multiple people in your family have talent but you don’t. Not seeing the boasting.
Welcome but all the family in the business is unnecessary. No one cares doesn’t make your opinion any more important than anybody else’s
Just enjoy the site. Provide your opinion when you feel & be respectful. Or don’t & troll either way have fun with it.
I once stayed at a Holiday Inn, that doesn’t make me an expert on lodging
LOL good to know the Pirates aren’t trying to compete next year
You’re right. If they wanted to win they would have signed Ohtani /s
Yeah, that’s best left to the other teams. Pirates are more like those teams the Harlem Globetrotters used to play.
There’s no getting around how awful he was last season, but that power still has to be there, if they can tap into some of it. 3M is very cheap for a 1B who won’t play every day considering Santana got twice that. I wonder how much Belt is asking for, he was my choice but if this signing lets them spend more on pitching, I’m fine with it.
PNC park is perfect fit
easily crank 20
I don’t mind it. Could see him rebound next year. Only a year removed from a 30 home run campaign with a 113 OPS+.
Pirates should trade two of their best prospects for a #2 starter.
Oh wait that’s how you end up with Chris Archer.
At least you can say you did something though.
Unless you are a rangers fan your team failed to win a championship as well
Archer was more of a 3.
DJL 3b
Soto Rf
Judge Cf
Verdugo Lf
Torres 2b
Rizzo 1b
Stanton Dh
Wells C
Volver
Right left batting order
I think Rizzo and Verdugo would should be switched.
Rizzo do not make contact
Gotta break up the Ks.
Slowest, oldest and the most mediocre lineup in baseball. Best of luck
When is O’Neil Cruz getting traded?
Maybe 4 years from now. Unless he’s extended, then 6.
Any way the Halos can snag him by May of 2024?
He’s much too young for the Angels.
Rowdy, Ford and Vogelbach, don’t the trio come in one pack?
Does everyone realize this will be a platoon guy and not an every day hitter?
Yes so basically it limits who else can be brought in as well. They really need to add a true impact bat now for the OF. Time will tell
Really? Another OF? So who would you bench: Suwinski, Reynolds, or Davis?
Don’t count out a possible Cutch return as well
Pirates have already publicly stated Davis is catching this year.
Davis is catching, with Endy out.
BC has repeatedly said that he wants to bring in another outfielder
Until Suwinski learns how to hit left handed pitchers, he’ll be platooned
Plus his 171 ks doesn’t help either
Who do you propose they go get? No top guy is coming here to platoon with Suwinski, CFs are expensive, even when they don’t hit well (if you’re suggesting we move Jack over to RF).
They already have a true impact bat for next year, Cruz can transform this lineup. If he stays healthy, I don’t believe it is stretch to get .235, 20 HR, 65-70 RBIs out of him. Every FA outfielder who can do that is well north of $13 million per season. And at this point, what does a bat matter when the rotation is still in tatters?
They don’t care. They like to complain. I think some people are still copy and pasting things from 20 years ago and just changing the names
Will they pay him by the pound?
Bobcc
Muted 1
Bob- No,but he has a limit at the post game spread and has to pay by the pound for any food over it.
Vogelbach had the same clause in his contract.
It is called the Santa clause since they first applied it to him when he would sneak food.
Hmmm, not sure I like this move. IF he hits anywhere near 2022, a solid get. That is a big IF though. My major concern is how many errors will Cruz and others will have on the year with Rowdy handling the 1B position. He makes Triolo looks like a superstar when comparing their 2023 stats lol
If he plays a ton of 1b. Hopefully they bring in a good 1b if he is bad. I can’t recall.
Vogelbach 2.0
That’s fine with me. Vogey was not bad in Pittsburgh. Kinda wish we kept him, but we got Holderman out of it, so I’m 100% fine with it now.
I am sure they can get him back.
Pirates gonna pirate
Yep another excellent under the radar move.
I was hoping for a trade for Naylor from Cleveland. If this guy has a decent first half he will be gone at the deadline otherwise DFA.
It is reported that Davis was demanded for as part of a Naylor trade. No thanks.
Were did you read they?
Naylor would be gone at the 2025 deadline with that thinking. Not worth giving up prospects if you can’t contend.
Why don’t the pirates sign Goldschmidt and defer his pay until 2035?
Old and expensive 1b.
The incentive pay is deferred until 2029.
Who?
– Josh Donaldson
Solid bounce back candidate, could be a cheap source of dingers for the Buckos.
Bucs need to appear like they are trying, some players are good enough to be major leaguers but not good enough for competitive teams to sign them- thus you consistently get teams like the Pirates signing players like Rowdy Tellez.
It’s strange to admit mediocrity invites mediocrity when it’s all the same league, but sometimes the truth is unappealing.
Not to defend them as they have had so many years of mediocrity but the fact is they are far from a big market team.
With a limited budget and the usual suspects scooping up all the stars, moves like this are a necessity. Besides he is only 28 and just one year removed from 35hr and he does take walks at a decent rate. He could end up being a great fit with Cruz
Appears to me they are trying.
They will be trying if they have to slightly overpay for a decent starting pitcher and they get one.Like it or not the rates for mediocre plus ones are through the roof.
We have big market teams and owners like Cohen to thank for that.
It did work for the Rangers for their first WC in 62 years.
Money does buy the best players.
There are bargains still available that cost less than 10m per year. Trades are another option. They may still have to overpay if they key in on someone that has better options like they did last year.
Question
Why is the Pirates payroll $75m while the Mariners payroll is 125m, and their owners worth the same (1.1b)?
Maybe ask these questions before crying about big market clubs?
Probably because the team income isn’t the same, like the local TV deal for Seattle is about 40 million more. A team’s income has nothing to do with the owner’s personal wealth.
Maybe do more research before assuming.
Maybe team income is tied to performance and entertainment on the field, and the Pirates don’t draft well enough or sign anyone worth while to sell tickets and to generate TV income.
Damn, what a concept.
But easier to cry and say LA wahh
Yankees-It is pretty clear that you have no concept of business and income versus expenditures.
Yankees and Dodgers are drunk with money and many of their fans have no concept of value.
You especially.
I think you have it backwards my friend, it is you who is fiscally incompetent.
Income is based on TV/tickets. What drives those sales? Good players. How do you get good players? Drafting primarily, and signing good players.
There are multiple examples of team owners who have lower net worths than the Yankees and Dodgers, who have great TV deals and attendance. They are mutually exclusive.
Team performance is not tied to owner wealth. So my point is, stop crying about big market teams, because it is irrelevant. The pirates and such suck because they suck, not because they are at a disadvantage financially.
Sorry “friend”
Yankees have the best TV deal in baseball.Dodgers probably second.
Why is that?
Do they win a lot of World Championships?
No,that cannot be.
Do you think that it has something to do with the number of people in their service area?
Maybe it could be that,”friend”.
You’re just po’ed because these teams have to pay “the whiners” so that they can just pretend that there is league parity.
Do the Rays suck too?
Or are they just smarter and better than your Yankees?
You think that you are smart but you just cannot accept reality.
Or you are just plain stupid.
Take your choice,” friend”.
The television market in the Pittsburgh region doesn’t attract enough viewers, because the population is only a fraction of that of NYC.
Pittsburgh, the city’s population is only about 3 million people
NYC is triple that
Every owner is rich lmao
You ever run a business? Owner’s worth is capital, payroll is operating. Capital is normally not spent on operating. If you do, you’re losing money. You can lose money short term, but to keep draining capital into operating is not a wise business move.
You’re missing my point, I understand completely.
My point is the reason your business sucks (the pirates) because of frugality, not the other way around.
You must spend, to earn. How can you sell TV deals when your 3 hitter is Rowdy Tellez
TV market mostly determines payroll unless your owner is near death.
Brewer fan who also knows the truth.
Cynically speaking some owners view their team as a pure business investment and thus they anticipate decent viewership from tv deals, especially when they play larger market clubs who bring in more viewers, and they get profit participation from the league. As long as they sign someone here and there, as long as they try to use their draft picks effectively, they can pocket the rest of the money and point out that they can’t spend their way into a good team- but the truth is they consistently trade their best core players for relative scraps off the veteran/prospect heaps and explain it away as their pitcher or hitter that’s turning into a star was going to get too expensive and their trade value was at an all time high.
Guys like McCutchen and Cole, etc.
The reality is they probably could have convinced those guys at younger ages to sign extensions, built a formidable core and competed. But it would require increasing payroll by $50 million or more per season.
The Pirates ain’t in that kind of baseball business.
TTO- Many owners do,even some of the large market ones.
That is their right as businessmen.
Some have so much money that they can pay outrageous prices for mediocre players.
The Pirates signed their whole young outfield including McCutcheon to early extensions.That is when they had one of the top three in baseball.They were one of the first teams to extend young players in this manner.
It is also the time when their total team payroll was over $100 M for about three years.
Cole felt shortchanged getting the middling rate after his second year and never really enjoyed Pittsburgh during his five years there.The Pirates took the best deal they could get before TJ attacked him.
McCutcheon was traded in his early 30’s for Reynolds.They would make that deal 100 times as Cutch started getting hurt somewhat regularly.
The same with Neal Walker who went to the Mets.
Trillionaire Team Operators quite frankly do not understand the economics of all baseball teams even if they try.
The good thing about Nutting is he has stabilized the Pirates as an entity and hopefully they can get back to a 3-4 year long period where they are competitive for playoff positions.That is all that their fans can really hope for under the system that runs baseball.
Probably because the owner’s worth isn’t tied to payroll – in fact, it can’t be. A majority owner is still beholden to the rest of the ownership group, a budget that exceeds revenue would never be passed by said group, because it would ensure they’d lose money. When a team is in the red, the bills have to be paid via a cash call, each owner is responsible for their prorated share of the needed money. If they can’t make the cash call (i.e. don’t have the money, or enough money), they essentially lose their shares to whoever comes up with the dough to pay the bills.
Jeffrey Loria did as much with the Expos; the market could not sustain the team’s spending and Loria dumped his personal money into the team and bought nearly 100% stake in the team.
If your area only has 2,000,000 fans to draw from, with a lower average income than a place like San Diego, how could you possibly generate enough revenue to cover your expenses from year to year? It’s not like either of the franchises you mentioned would ever be able to grow their fanbases enough with additional investment to sustain $250 million MLB payrolls. So Bob Nutting starts kicking in $100 million of his own money each year out of the goodness of his heart for higher payrolls, sees a $50 million in extra revenue return on that – and is worth $0 in 20 years.
Came here for name puns or at minimum deferred money jokes. Left disappointed.
Pittsburgh getting all Rowdy.
None of them are blue chip prospects, but the Pirates seem to have a lot of corner infield guys in the minors. Maybe one of them turn into a starter? I can see Malcolm Nunez getting a chance this year if healthy.
I like the optimism.
Tellez, Voit and Voglebach – good start to a beer league team (if you make them buy the beer!)
Well , Pirates are Rowdy.
When was the last time it wasn’t a longshot before the season for the pirates to win the world series
Ever since the killer B’s
2016
I thought it said ‘Padres’, I spilled some of my beer…
♪All my Rowdy bats have settled downnnn♫♪
If Will Craig didn’t make that mindless play, would he have been given a longer rope? His bat was great in the minors with over 100+ rbi. No one has had the pedigree offensively that he did for the Pirates, but I think he got the ax prematurely. Instead we’ve had year after year of throwing something against the wall hoping it sticks.
Rowdy has the power tool, but that’s about it.
They weren’t impressed with Craig before that play.
He was only half the problem on that play. The catcher throwing the ball into right field instead of first base is what ultimately cost them more.
Actually,the bad throw was caused by Frazier being very late at getting over to first base.
It does not excuse the stupid mishap by Craig as all he had to do at the end was walk back to first base and tag the bag.
He was a fairly good AAA hitter but it is telling that no major or minor league team picked him up after being released.
I always thought Perez should have been given maybe 20-25% of the blame for that play’s outcome. Tag the guy that’s next to home plate, don’t sail the throw. Instead they both played like pre Morris Buttermaker Bad News Bears.
Nice signing. Sure mediocre D but he easily could crank out 25+hr and will get more plate appearances than people seem to think. 1B and DH. And he is only 28.
By June, we’ll be laughing about this signing. Hell, I’m already laughing.
Never ran out a ground ball in his entire time with the Brewers.
Having to sign with Pittsburgh might motivate him to work and play hard.
I feel like Rowdy Tellez is a quintessential Pirates signing. That said the plucked Carlos Santana off the scrap heap last winter and he had a good enough season to flip him at the deadline so there’s no reason to believe Tellez can’t be the same
There are better scrapheap signings available in the free agent market Mancini, Cooper, Santana or Aguilar who may be able to contribute defensively as well. Even converting some of the end-of-life third basemen might have been a better choice.
Maybe, but they are probably looking at the fact that Tellez is only a year removed from a 35 Home Run season
Are you of the opinion that any of those guys would produce exceedingly better numbers than Tellez? Enough to justify a contract that’s twice as expensive?
I’m not a huge fan of the guy, but this really is like buying the Great Value version of something over a brand name. With the right cook, GV bacon tastes just as good Hormel, for a couple of dollars less. The Pirates are really in no position to spend all their grocery money on what essentially would be an overpaid 1B. There are better places to risk payroll money, like a few more SPs.
It’s an even year…
2018 OPS+ 153
2020 OPS+ 139
2022 OPS+ 113
Teller is a good signing,if only so he cannot hit against Pirate pitching next year.
His power production two years ago would be the best for the Pirates since Pedro Alvarez.
I am concerned about his fielding or lack thereof and the money saved needs to go into a good starting pitcher
They also need to add another starter so that they only need to rely on one from the youngsters until mid season.
He’s perfect for the Pirates.
Pirates clubhouse is about to get Rowdy!
Also, obligatory post about 3 million dollars of his contract being deferred until 2040. Rowdy will only be making 200k.
I think Votto would have been the better choice at first for the Pirates.
Hopefully some of that remaining cash is for cutch & Jack Flaherty are part of that remaining $30 mm and a 2nd mid rotation arm right now its Keller Gonzalez,(Flaherty) (Seth Lugo level starter-LHP prefered) and one of Priester,Ortiz Roansy Faltner
Hard pass on Flaherty. He’s had more success in the past than Roansy, but after seeing him pitch with Baltimore, he’s on the same track – nibbling around, running up counts, not getting outs. We can call up Roansy and have that same pitcher – younger even – for about $14 million less.
Frankie Montas would be more worth an overpay to me than Flaherty, for example. Coming off his first major injury with a better track record both on and off the field than Flaherty. You probably could get Montas and Eric Lauer for roughly the same as what Flaherty is asking right now. I gotta be honest, with 3 spots still to fill, I’d rather the Pirates throw numbers at this problem and find someone serviceable vs. putting all their eggs in the Flaherty basket and watching him implode.
I was kind of surprised at how infrequently he strikes out. He is not a contact savant or anything, but I would have guessed he struck out more often, considering he swings for the fences and has such a low batting average.
Not the first baseman I was hoping for. Seems like another Vogelbach to me, but I haven’t watched him too much.
Santana, Vogelhoss, and now Ryan Tellez? It’s an embarrassment when there has been 1 single back to back season of 1+ WAR from 1B for this team from the same player in 23 seasons (LaRoche at a meager 1.3 and 1.5).
Also this man is 270 pounds.
But probably faster than LaRoche. Vogelback pushing 300 lbs. definitely was.
Honestly, I just want some consistency at the position. No more 35 year old has beens, 270+ pounders, and non 1B trying to play 1B all on 1 year deals.
Not a great signing but if he returns to 2022 form then its a great deal
with this money they are saving on these low signings maybe they can put a big signing into pitcher. here is hoping.
I think it’s a great signing.
Our definition of great is probably different.
It is a typical type of signing for the pirates. Hope he does well enough to bring back some low grade talent. But also, if he is doing well enough he is cheap to keep if the team is making some sort of push. That isn’t a bad signing. Just not a great one.
Who would be great?
someone who is likely to be above average rather than hoping they are average.
Yamamoto
Bauer
Bellinger
Imanaga
Belt
..
…
Those guys will be in demand. It’s usually not great to bid higher than any other team was willing to. Bauer might be cheaper than he should.
I agree Dream, you just asked who would be great from my point of view. Bauer would probably be the only one that is semi-realistic from the players point of view and thats only to get him back in the MLB. I’d really love to lock him in to a 10years of control at 25m AAV with some triggered opt-outs. Something like 8y + two options or something. Likely, no but would be something I would think would be great.
Pirates have few truly bad signings at the time the deal was done because most of them we know are sign and hope they do well enough to trade.
If you like a replacement level player for $3.2M then I guess.
I don’t know the reason that they no longer have Alfonso Rivas, but personally I would rather give the job to an unknown than a Vogelbach or Tellez type.
Not a bad signing, but not a great one. Better than what the team had available and little financial risk. Hopefully he turns out as good as Vogelbach and Santana signings the last two years. He should form a solid platoon with Joe.
I’d really like the Pirates to still add a bat. It could still be a First Baseman and Tellez ends up DH.
How about Votto 😉
If you were Votto would you rather play for Reds Jays than Pirates? How about a projected playoff team or Pirates? How about retiring only having played for 1 team or the Pirates? I like Votto if he is interested.
I’d take Votto in a heartbeat, but I don’t think he has any interest in playing for the Pirates.
I think it’s more than likely an outfielder now that Davis will be almost exclusively behind the plate next season. That opens up a lot of at-bats in the outfield. Would think right now the starting outfield is Reynolds/Bae/Suwinski, so a right handed outfield or first base bat makes the most sense.(Joe could also platoon in the outfield).
Are pop ups now a positive stat for a hitter?
Yes depending on ballpark.
Shame on you Dream.
Crazy world when $3.2M is a “low-cost roll of the dice”.
Would it have been better to have kept Miguel Andújar at 1b for $1.7?
@Human – No to Andujar at first.
Yes. Andujar was great hitting-wise in AAA yet Pittsburgh let him rot.
Yes
As a brewers fan.. the pirates can have him
Always playing with fire when a DFA comes back and plays his old team. Look for Rowdy to do some damage back at American Family Field.
For his sake he needs 10 yrs service time but that’s a long shot given his horrendous overall value.
Is 97.1% of it deferred?
Has there ever been a guy that is more Pittsburgh than Rowdy? I’m fairly sure he should be paid by the city to be the mascot.