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West Notes: Buehler, Kershaw, Rangers, Astros, Giants, Yamamoto

By Nick Deeds | December 23, 2023 at 8:33pm CDT

The Dodgers have long seemed likely to lean on the services of right-hander Walker Buehler next season as he returns from rehabbing Tommy John surgery, which will have kept him away from the major league mound for nearly two years by the time Opening Day 2024 rolls around. While the club has recently bolstered its rotation with the additions of Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Tyler Glasnow, the club’s starting corps still offers little certainty beyond that duo, Buehler, and sophomore right-hander Bobby Miller even as youngsters like Emmet Sheehan and Gavin Stone show promise.

According to Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register, the club may be more careful with Buehler’s return to action than initially expected. While the right-hander is expected to be at full strength for Spring Training, Plunkett indicates that the club intends to limit Buehler’s innings in 2024, though he relays comments from GM Brandon Gomes that indicate the club is likely to be “flexible” regarding the specific innings total Buehler is allowed to reach and his schedule for the 2024 campaign as a whole. Plunkett goes on to suggest that one possibility would be delaying the start of Buehler’s 2024 season in order to ensure he’ll be available to the Dodgers come October.

If the Dodgers do intend to have Buehler sit out the start of the season, it would further incentivize the club to add additional depth to its rotation even after landing both Yamamoto and Glasnow. Even if the club ends up reuniting with longtime ace Clayton Kershaw, the veteran lefty isn’t expected to return to the mound until sometime next summer after undergoing offseason shoulder surgery. Adding an additional starting pitching option who figures to be ready to go on Opening Day along with Yamamoto, Glasnow, and Miller would allow the club to have the likes of Sheehan, Stone, and Ryan Yarbrough battle for the fifth starting job entering the season rather than using them to cover multiple rotation spots.

More from around MLB’s West divisions…

  • While he has re-upped with the Dodgers on one-year pacts each of the past two offseasons, it doesn’t appear that Kershaw’s return to L.A. is necessarily guaranteed, as Kershaw’s hometown Rangers have been frequently connected to the veteran lefty this offseason on the heels of their first World Series championship in franchise history. While the club already has Jacob deGrom, Max Scherzer, and Tyler Mahle all targeting midseason returns from surgeries of their own, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that Scherzer’s recent surgery hasn’t deterred the Rangers from their pursuit of the 3-time Cy Young Award winner. While Kershaw has struggled to stay healthy in recent years, he’s been as valuable as ever when he manages to take the mound with a 2.67 ERA and 3.23 FIP in 78 starts since the start of the 2020 season.
  • Astros center field prospect Jacob Melton was a hot commodity on the trade market at the trade deadline this year, as noted by Chandler Rome of The Athletic. Rome relays comments from Houston GM Dana Brown who told a podcast run by the Astros that Melton was “the one guy [he] was afraid to give away” but that he was asked after in “almost every” trade conversation last summer. Rome goes on to note some officials in the organization internally valued him more highly than top prospect Drew Gilbert, who was part of the package the club dealt to New York to re-acquire Justin Verlander. Melton, 23, was the club’s second-round pick in the 2022 draft and slashed .245/.334/.467 across 99 games split between the High-A and Double-A levels last year.
  • While the Giants ultimately fell short in their pursuit of Yamamoto, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that the club was “in the mix right until the very end” and that Yamamoto was impressed enough with San Francisco’s pitch that the club would have been the “West Coast finalist” for his services had the Dodgers not entered the fray after signing Shohei Ohtani. A source indicated to Slusser that Ohtani’s presence on the Dodgers played a role in Yamamoto’s decision to ultimately sign with the club for a record-breaking $325MM guaranteed over twelve years.
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  1. oldgfan

    1 year ago

    West coast finalists saved a billion !

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    • giacgara

      1 year ago

      Yes, there’s a path in which they can be competitive without the $1B outlay, but will they be successful.

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      • unpaidobserver

        1 year ago

        For the Giants no. For the Diamondbacks certainly.

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      • oldgfan

        1 year ago

        Only time will tell.
        One can hope.
        Time will also be a bad thing for big blue.
        Short term success followed by dark years of payments to non players.

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          1 year ago

          This reads like a bad haiku

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        • oldgfan

          1 year ago

          Especially if read aloud in yoda’s voice.

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 year ago

          I initially thought the same thing but saw there were way too many syllables.

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        • good vibes only

          1 year ago

          They have to fund the escrow for the Shohei deferrals in the amount of 46M per year right now. I hate to break it to you but there will be no dark days for big blue paying non players. It isn’t going to impact their future competitive payroll at all.

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        • Brew88

          1 year ago

          Article: Dodgers lack a 7th starter. Boo hoo

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          1 year ago

          There’s reportedly a $1B in surplus value in the contract.

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        • oldgfan

          1 year ago

          Spin it however you want. The players will not be on the field the duration of these contracts.

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          1 year ago

          That’s not disputed. But the deferred money earns interest for a decade and accrues excess value to the tune of a billion dollars. In 20 years when this is all paid out, the Dodgers will be the most valuable franchise, not in baseball, but in global sports.

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        • norcalblue

          1 year ago

          Unfortunately good vibes, they can’t hear you and will not accept it. The hope that someday the big blue dragon in the south will someday be unable to sustain its ability to dominate is all they have right now. I live in the north bay and I’ve never seen them so overwhelmed. It’s pathetic….

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        • fox471 Dave

          1 year ago

          Good vibes: absolutely right. They will recover so much in marketing alone.

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        • astros_fan_84

          1 year ago

          Yeah. I think this is correct. The Dodgers are making the play to become the official team of Japan, a country with 130M people and third biggest economy. They can overpay to get the top Japanese players and laugh all the way to the bank.

          Other teams won’t be able to compete in the bidding because Japanese players will make more by being Dodgers. It’s a very interesting development.

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        • abcrazy4dodgers

          1 year ago

          The windfall of Dodgers making (and stashing) money off of “Ohtanimoto” will be from their own income of sponsorships (Japan-based jersey patch anyone?), Dodger apparel sales in Japan and word of NHK carrying Dodger games (not sure of MLB’s thought of the latter). Not doubting the Dodgers recouping this money and then some.

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 year ago

          IIRC revenue from jersey sales etc. is shared equally in MLB. I would think no matter where an MLB jersey is sold it would still be subject to sharing.

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        • Smacky

          1 year ago

          Their TV deal pays $334 million a year through 2038. That’s essentially their salary cap number.

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        • Don’s Ghost

          1 year ago

          keep wishing. the funnel of money from Asia and an ever-increasing CBT says your prayers for Dodger doom will never be answered.

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        • Smacky

          1 year ago

          I’m in the LA TV market and the Angels had Japanese ads on the panels at the back of the backstop – the green screen ads you only see on tv. They were like that when ever I accidentally flipped on their channel.

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        • Gary333

          1 year ago

          It doesn’t matter. They want to win now, not like our Giants that want to win… eventually.

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  2. This one belongs to the Reds

    1 year ago

    Buehler? Buehler?

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    • titanic struggle

      1 year ago

      Cubs game.. but why?

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      • Shadow_Banned

        1 year ago

        Delay Buhlers season til July.
        Don’t resign Kershaw

        Let the rookies eat meaningless regular season games.

        Introduce Buhler for the playoff run

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        • dodgersvictoryagain

          1 year ago

          I like that idea actually

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        • King Donk of Punchstania

          1 year ago

          Playoff run from their couches? 2020 the only year the “juggernaut” Dodgers haven’t choked since 1988. You don’t win championships on paper so let’s slow down a little bit

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  3. Redwolves3

    1 year ago

    Bridesmaid once again

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  4. TigersLoveCinnamon

    1 year ago

    Dodgers might be a juggernaut offensively. That rotation looks rough and full of injuries/question marks though

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    • oldgfan

      1 year ago

      They will get the lefty to fulfill the Japanese trifecta.

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      • TigersLoveCinnamon

        1 year ago

        So you think they sign him over kershaw?

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      • User 401527550

        1 year ago

        That lefty isn’t great. No 4 at best.

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        • Don’s Ghost

          1 year ago

          LOL. all the Dodgers need is a no.4

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          Until they have one arm blowout after another. Their rotation is a walking medical ward.

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    • Johnny Devil

      1 year ago

      The rotation is a bunch of huge question marks including yamamoto. Glasnow might be the only given. But the Dodgers are holding the trophy in December.

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      • TigersLoveCinnamon

        1 year ago

        Glasgow being your only sure thing is awful. Just proves why they can’t ever win in October

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      • User 401527550

        1 year ago

        The only thing given about Glasnow is his impeding IL stints.

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  5. Echopark

    1 year ago

    I mean. Of all the years for Kershaw to sign elsewhere? Hard to imagine!

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    • unpaidobserver

      1 year ago

      I will say that the Rangers training staff does seem to do a bit better with its older players than the Dodgers have done recently, so there is that.

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      • Wolf Hoffmann

        1 year ago

        .

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        • Blue Baron

          1 year ago

          @unpaidobserver: You mean like they’ve done with deGrom and Scherzer? Sure.

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      • CommentsSectionCommenter

        1 year ago

        @Unpaid

        What?

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  6. EscapedFromLA

    1 year ago

    At this point I can’t really see Kershaw in any uniform other than a Dodger one. It’s so rare these days for a player to play for one team their entire career. I really hope he finishes his with the Dodgers. It’ll mean that much more when the Dodgers retire #22 five years later.

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    • Jean Matrac

      1 year ago

      Even if he were to finish his career playing for his hometownRangers, it won’t mean any less when he goes inro the HoF on the 1st ballot, and the Dodgers retire #22.

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    • Blue Baron

      1 year ago

      They might retire his number and put him in the Dodgers’ HOF when he retires, whether or not and before he is voted into the baseball HOF.

      One is not a prerequisite for the other.

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      • Jean Matrac

        1 year ago

        For some teams it is. The Red Sox only retire the numbers of HoF players. The Giants used to follow that guideline as well until they retired Bonds’ #25. Clearly the Yankees have no problem retiring just about any player popular with the fans, HoF or not. To your point though, I could see the Dodgers not waiting since his induction is guaranteed.

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        • Blue Baron

          1 year ago

          The Mets retired 41 for Tom Seaver in 1988, the year after he retired, but 31 for Mike Piazza and 24 for Willie Mays after their HOF inductions.

          Since Steve Cohen became owner, they retired Mays’ number to fulfill a promise made to him in 1972, plus 17 for Keith Hernandez and 36 for Jerry Koosman, obviously non-HOFers but Mets greats.

          He’s trying to make up for previous ownership’s neglect in honoring the team’s history.

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      • EscapedFromLA

        1 year ago

        Typically for the Dodgers it is. Only two numbers have been retired that weren’t elected to the HoF. Jim GIlliam who’s number was retired after he died and Fernando Valenzuela who holds a special place in Dodger land. So… you’re right that it’s not an absolute prerequisite, but it’s unlikely they’d immediately retire #22. I would hazard a guess that similar to Fernando’s #34, they will NOT issue #22 again until the issue is decided.

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  7. deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger

    1 year ago

    Kershaw may want to play for a playoff contender for once! Mark my words!

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  8. Joel P

    1 year ago

    I imagine the Dodgers will sign a back end starter. Buehler might be on an innings limit and so will Glasnow if somehow he doesn’t hit the IL. Give them both a break when Kershaw and May are ready and then go with your best 4 come playoff time.

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    • goldensombreropc

      1 year ago

      And before that? When did rangers do absolutely anything in 60 years. Nothing. 1 World Series, you’re not on LAs level. Come back when you win more than 5.

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      • GoGreen

        1 year ago

        Rangers have been to 3 world series in the last 13 years and won one. Dodgers have done the same in the last 35 years.

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      • rondon

        1 year ago

        While you’re reminiscing about the old days, the Rangers have been to the WS 3 times to the Dodgers one*.

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        • Irbias

          1 year ago

          LAD were there 3 times recently – 2017 (L, HOU), 2018 (L, BOS) and 2020 (W, TB).

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        • EscapedFromLA

          1 year ago

          2017… Cheated out of a WS win. Yes, cheated. The Astros cheated and while nobody thinks LA should’ve been handed the trophy as consolation, MLB should’ve voided that year.
          2018, Boston kicked their butts legit. That one was ugly (for LA)

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  9. Joel P

    1 year ago

    A source indicated that Ohtanis presence played a role in the Dodgers signing Yamamoto?

    Lol you think??? Hard hitting stuff right there……

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    • TrumboRedux

      1 year ago

      I assumed that Ohtani and his deferral made them a shoe-in to sign Yoshi all along. I think a lot of others did too but they didn’t wanna believe it.

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      • Jean Matrac

        1 year ago

        I didn’t see the Dodgers as the favorites to sign YY because I thought they might shy away from the big CBT hit that will result. The hit for hum and Ohtani alone is over $73M. Plus the long term financial obligations are big. Though once they landed him I wasn’t shocked to be wrong.

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        • 9er78

          1 year ago

          Nobody cares what you thought.
          You need a Louisville Slugger to the Cranium you hapless twit.

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  10. Datashark

    1 year ago

    Giants never had a shot at Yamamoto, once the deferment was set it was over.

    Ohtani wanted a player who he can talk with and his choice…ohtani has surely gained supreme powers in LAD — They will cater to him and I wonder if it will cause disharmony among all the other stars it has on the team.

    So I assume Kelly got his Mercedes for #17

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    • Rsox

      1 year ago

      For the Money Ohtani got Kelly should have gotten a Mercedes dealership

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    • Blue Baron

      1 year ago

      A Porsche.

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  11. PutPeteinthehall

    1 year ago

    Shoulder surgery is serious and it’s definitely not a guarantee that Kershaw will ever return. Dodgers should retire his number this summer and celebrate. It would really be tough to spend 1b on two players and watch Kershaw continue his usual playoff pitching in another first round exit…

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  12. ohyeadam

    1 year ago

    So the Mets are being called out for their abuse of the IL while the Dodgers get to talk about it in press conferences?

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      1 year ago

      People have abused the DL/IL for years.

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      1 year ago

      the Dodgers are definitely the masters at manipulating the IL. Kershaw missing July to be fresh for October is a given.

      That said they can only do it because they have quality guys to call up.

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  13. drdback

    1 year ago

    I’m secretly hoping the dodgers sign Korean reliever Woo Suk Go. Would love to see dodger women wearing the new Suk Go jerseys around the Spring Training facilities.

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  14. Unclemike1525

    1 year ago

    Funniest rumor I’ve heard lately was that the Cubs were going to trade Cade Horton and Jordan Wicks for Framber Valdez. I almost had a hernia laughing. Oh crap I think I did.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      1 year ago

      Is this just some random aside?

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    • cadagan

      1 year ago

      the article about the dodgers. Did someone earlier suggest that LA was done adding pitching? and the article is explaining why that is probably not true.

      did anyone believe they were done this early adding any new players?
      Sometimes when people just state the obvious. my brain goes into overdrive because i wonder if i am missing something.
      am i going crazy.
      was it just an aside.

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      • Unclemike1525

        1 year ago

        The article was about baseball teams in the west. Last time I checked the Astros were in the AL West and there was a mention of them here So I guess reading is not a big skill here? Everything isn’t about the Dodgers.

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  15. Longtimecoming

    1 year ago

    “Intends to limit innings”

    Hasn’t pitched in 2 years AND recovering from TJ – really, limiting?

    Can they expect even 100? He is a FA next year so why would he risk his payday going beyond prescribed year 1 return?

    Might as well go with WB to start the year for 4-5 per start and hope May or Kershaw can take his spot when he shifts to BP after 80-85 innings.

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  16. good vibes only

    1 year ago

    LAD has a ton of SP depth in the upper minors. I get that there is injury risk with their rotation but sure seems like overkill to go get another expensive FA.

    Smoke em if you got em, I guess.

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    • Jean Matrac

      1 year ago

      History has shown us that young pitching is eminently unreliable.

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      • good vibes only

        1 year ago

        True, relying on talented young pitchers to round out the back of a rotation is something poor teams do. I guess they better break out the checkbook again or trade for Burnes.

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      • differentbears

        1 year ago

        History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men.

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 year ago

          There’s nothing like a non-specific platitude.

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        • oldgfan

          1 year ago

          Unless it’s very specific lyrics to a most relevant song by Blue Oyster Cult.

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        • Irbias

          1 year ago

          Nice.

          Reply
  17. Mustard Tiger

    1 year ago

    Dodgers should trade for Corbin Burnes and really shore up the rotation for 2024.

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    • good vibes only

      1 year ago

      They are probably working out the details right now. They could pretty easily do it and not even miss the minor league depth.

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      • LosPobres1904

        1 year ago

        Go Rox Go!

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  18. Rsox

    1 year ago

    The Rangers have the unenviable task of defending their title with three good starters out til mid-season. It was a nice fairy tale for Bochy and co. but it was never going to last

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    • astros_fan_84

      1 year ago

      Unenviable and champion are two words that sound silly in the same sentence.

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  19. Rishi

    1 year ago

    A duo is 2 but you are right because the only “certainty” with Glasnow is he is not gonna pitch the whole year.

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  20. Ranger Danger19

    1 year ago

    The Dodgers can keep Kershaw. I’d rather watch him implode in October from a safe distance.

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    • fox471 Dave

      1 year ago

      RangerDanger: you will be safe. The Rangers won’t be in the playoffs in 2024. Relax!

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      • King Donk of Punchstania

        1 year ago

        Delusional Dave strikes again. You know just because you give trade rumors money and get that fancy little gold coin next to your picture, it doesn’t suddenly make you knowledgeable about baseball. The Rangers just won the World Series and have a decent farm. They are easily a top 5 team in the AL but yet they won’t make the playoffs? We really need that mute button traderumors who broke the code??

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      • Go Go Power Rangers

        1 year ago

        We’ll see about that Dave.

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  21. Jabronie23

    1 year ago

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to have him start the season and swap him out with Kershaw if needed around August?

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    • good vibes only

      1 year ago

      That’s what I was thinking too but apparently thats not the best way to spend money burning a hole in your pocket.

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  22. SFG.1

    1 year ago

    I’m not a fan of Zaidi and the whole money ball BS. I think Zaidi needs to be shown the door. Over a 182 game season sure things may fall your way and you win enough games to make the playoffs, but how many WS have the A’s and Rays won the past 25 years? With all the money and wins the Dodgers pile up they’ve only been able to win a WS during a short season vs the Rays! No one should be throwing a parade for that accomplishment.

    Is it frustrating that the Giants can’t sign a big time FA? Yes but then again how many WS did they win with Barry Bonds? How many WS have the Yankees won with Judge? How many WS have the Phillies with with Harper?

    Zaidi needs to drop the love fest with trades and/or signings of Mariners players. He needs to stop allowing prospects to spend years in the minor leagues in favor of 2 year deals with an option after one year for has beens.

    Zaidi isn’t the guy that is going to get the Giants into the WS and it’s looking like players aren’t buying into whatever he’s selling! The Kapler hire was pathetic from the start. It’s time for him to go.

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    • Jean Matrac

      1 year ago

      Wow, how many things can you get wrong? The season is 162 games, not 182. The Giants are not practicing moneyball a la A’s and Rays. The Giants have made big offers to Harper, Judge, Correa, Ohtani, and Yamamoto. The Rays and A’s combined made zero offers to any of those guys. Clearly the Giants have a different philosophy than those teams.

      You’re confusing MiL signings and waiver claims with a moneyball approach. You’re obviously not paying attention to what other teams do since they all do that.

      Signing a big name FA is no guarantee, but no team was more active than the Rangers over the past few years, and they did get a WS title.

      Ascribing some sort of connection between Zaidi and Mariner’s players is just silly. Haniger and Murphy are the only former Mariners players that Zaidi has signed. And you haven’t even seen Murphy play in a Giant’s uni.

      As for the amount of time prospects spend in the minors, the Giants are in line with just about every other team in terms of time needed for player development. Some guys can be promoted early, but every team knows that rushing a prospect to the MLs too soon does more harm than good.

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      • SFG.1

        1 year ago

        Here’s a novel for you to read.

        Money ball, analytics, call it what you want it’s crap.

        I’m not confusing prospects with anything. The Giants aren’t going to win a WS with the players they had last year. Let the younger players come up and see what they can do. Not just for a couple of days and send them back to Sacramento after a few bad games. Why waste another year of them in the minors in exchange for a journeyman to do what? He drafted them so when is he going to allow them to come up? Winning 80 games and going home is no better than winning 70 and going home.

        He can’t sign anyone, can’t trade for anyone and he can’t draft anyone or won’t bring them up. A lot of these players are hitting 24 and some are 25 years of age. They can’t put the same lineup on the field 2 days in a row so what’s the plan more of the same? Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

        They have Brown, Whisenhunt, Black and Birdsong if they can’t make it in the Majors now, it’s time to move on.

        What are the best signings or trades Zaidi has made since joining the Giants in 2018? I can’t even call these best since they’ve resulted in little return.

        DeSclafani 3 year $36mil
        Alex Wood 2 yr $25mil
        Alex Cobb 2 yr $20mil
        Conforto 2 yr $36mil
        Gausman 1 year $9mil and a Qualifying offer that he signed for $18.9mil
        Joc Perterson?

        He hands opted outs like candy, good year they leave otherwise the Giants are stuck with a hack another year.

        On the Larry Kruger show from a Tom Verducci article on Sports Illustrated. Sept 19 so the numbers aren’t complete for the season:

        Starting Pitchers:
        avg 72 pitches per game lowest in the league
        Pitched 3 innings or less 43 times, The most abbreviated starts in MLB history other than the 2018/2019 guess who…… Tampa Bay Rays.
        Starting rotation is 27-45 starting rotation, lowest wins by Giants starters in 141 team history
        Kapler never used the same lineup more than 4 times. Zaidi is responsible for hiring him!
        13 players in #3 spot and they aren’t looking to solve that any time soon
        Zero player with more than 80 RBI
        15th in walks
        19th hrs
        25th Ks
        21st runs per game
        30th stolen bases, slowest team speed in MLB

        If you’re a fan of Zaidi and this garbage, then no wonder you’re so wound up about a typo.

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 year ago

          I don’t know what team you’re watching, but apparently it isn’t the Giants. Here are some of the players called up in 2023 with age (at the time), # of ML games and # of AAA games:

          Patrick Bailey, age 23, 97 games (ML) 14 games (AAA).
          Casey Schmitt, age 24, 90 games (ML) 51 games (AAA).
          Luis Matos, age 21, 76 games (ML) 32 games (AAA).
          Marco Luciano, age 21, 14 games (ML) 18 games (AAA).

          Kyle Harrison, at age 22, debuted a year before his ETA, as did Luciano, and Wade Meckler debuted 2 years ahead of his ETA. In addition guys like Brett Wisely, and Tyler Fitzgerald made their debut, and were given a chance. Speaking of ETA, Brown’s is 2025, Whisenhunt 2024, Black 2025, and Birdsong’s is 2026.

          Teams have to be careful calling up guys too soon and having them be overwhelmed by ML pitching/hitting, which sets them behind in their development. This is possibly what happened with Joey Bart. There are the rare examples like Ronald Acuna Jr. who debuted at age 20 and played full time for the most part, but he was atypical. The Giants called up and gave more games to prospects than most teams last year.

          You seem to be under the misperception that the Giants operate differently than other teams. They don’t. All teams have virtually the same approach to prospects and lineups. Most teams do not have the same guys playing the same positions in the same batting order every game. That went out a couple decades ago.

          Going into the 2023 season the Giants had more pitching depth than most teams. Injuries and poor performance torpedoed that, and the result was the need for bullpen games which is the main reason for the poor numbers you posted.

          Maybe you wouldn’t mind seeing kids overwhelmed, along with losing 90 or more games, which is what you’d get, but I would. And I think most Giants’ fans would too.

          I wasn’t hung up on a typo, I just noted it, but if you want people to take your posts seriously maybe proofread it next time.

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          1 year ago

          @Jean Matrac

          And yet, you’re here arguing that the Giants are just fine and that Zaidi is the man for his job.

          So…guess being taken seriously isn’t too high on your list either…..

          (Oh, and calling out someone for an obvious typo is just lame. But then, you know that too….)

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        • Jean Matrac

          1 year ago

          How in the world did you come to the conclusion that I said the Giants are just fine? I never said, nor even implied, any such thing. All I did was address the numerous fallacies in the posts I was responding to.

          As to Zaidi, the Jury is still out. But the criticisms I see most is for his failure to sign big time FAs. But the truth is no matter who the PoB was, Harper, Judge, Ohtani and Yamamoto were not going to sign with the Giants.

          I suggest you read the Zips projection for the Giants on Fangraphs if you want a non-biased assessment of Zaidi.

          You obviously don’t like Zaidi. But in your response to me, instead a counter argument supported by facts, all you have is some general comment without any basis in truth. And you think I’m the one that risks not being taken seriously?

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  23. DroppedThirdStrike

    1 year ago

    I’m actually a fan of Zaidi. He steered the giants through a really tough period, letting some bad contracts expire without adding any new bad contracts. The product is ugly right now and attracting free agents will be tough. But in a couple years they’ll be in a great spot, competitive and financially really strong.

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    • scottn59c

      1 year ago

      I thought the same three offseasons ago. But nothing changed. The Giants are still fielding a middling team and just coming up short on all their major targets. Meanwhile, the farm backslid about ten spots in rank once Bart, Matos, Ramos, and Luciano all debuted to pretty weak starts.

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  24. websoulsurfer

    1 year ago

    Buehler – Coming off his 2nd Tommy John and hasn’t pitched in 22 months.
    Yamamoto – Has never pitched in MLB.
    Glasnow – Has never made more than 21 starts in his 8-year MLB career.

    That does not seem like a solid foundation to build on.

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    • A'sfaninLondonUK

      1 year ago

      @websoulsurfer

      I actually think that with his TJ in the rear mirror, Glasnow will surprise with a full season.

      Ultimately though, I do agree, they seem to making very expensive castles on sand. Personally, I want to watch the best players playing, and wish them good health. More realistically we don’t seem to have many iron horses any more…

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  25. GSWfanklay

    1 year ago

    Giants can just relax and pay mediocre players tbs mediocre… no wait then we are the Brewers or Mariners… oh well better than being the As or Royals

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  26. Cam

    1 year ago

    Why does the Kershaw-to-Rangers non-story keep popping up? It was pure speculation that started the narrative a few years ago, and there’s been nothing to substantiate it since, yet people like Ken Rosenthal keep recycling it with nothing new to add.

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    • BigFred

      1 year ago

      Be prepared for this rumor to come alive every offseason until he retires. Has Kershaw ever indicated a desire to be anywhere but on the Dodgers? I don’t think the choice would be between the Dodgers and Rangers; I think it’d be between the Dodgers and retirement.

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  27. A'sfaninLondonUK

    1 year ago

    @Cam

    He lives about 20 minutes out of Arlington, he has a brood of young kids, and would probably like to spend summers with them as well as winters. To be fair to the Dodgers, the last two/three years, they’ve waited for Kershaw to say if/when/where he wants to play….

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  28. joemoes

    1 year ago

    Kershaw could be a solid reliever. He seems to break down and can’t last a full season. He could become a closer do like John smoltz for a few years.

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  29. irishbeermen88

    1 year ago

    I am not a Dodger fan, but don’t forget the Dodgers will have Dustin May right around the Allstar break.

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  30. HBRC1987

    1 year ago

    Dodgers rotation this season: Kershaw, Buehler, Urias, Yamamoto, Koufax, Cy Young, Walter Johnson.

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  31. AHH-Rox

    1 year ago

    It would be very Dodgers-like for them to add Kershaw to the rotation in late summer and totally coincidentally put Buehler on the IL for a month at the same time. Back soreness or arm fatigue, that’s the ticket.

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  32. Central Valley

    1 year ago

    The Dodgers will now benefit from an endless pipeline of Asian players wanting to come play for them. There’s going to be millions of new Dodger fans in Asia, those contracts, I believe will easily pay for themselves.

    The future is very bright. The Farm is still loaded with prospects, which is amazing, considering where they draft! They can also trade for just about anyone, and sign any superstar they want.

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    • norcalblue

      1 year ago

      CV, no doubt, this would be a scenario that Kasten and Friedman would love to see play out. You could be right; but, honestly, these large visions rarely materialize the way people on either side envision.

      As a Dodger fan, of course, I would love to see something like this take root. Players have their preferences and individual priorities. This year, the priorities of these two players lined up, and the stars aligned for the Dodgers. That likely is not going to be the case moving forward.

      Roki Sasuki will be interesting to watch. It appears that the Dodgers have had an inside track with him. Not sure the stars are going to align for them though next year when he is posted. Barring injury, they will want him for sure, but whether they have the space and the need and he has the interest at that point in time, it all remains to be seen.

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    • towinagain

      1 year ago

      Really no point in playing the season next year.

      As a Padres fan, I’d like to see the Padres move the team and tear down Petco. Better with no baseball team than just existing for powerhouses to beat up.

      Over MLB.

      Happy for Dodger fans but would rather Petco be turned into an area to house the homeless.

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      • abcrazy4dodgers

        1 year ago

        Hot take?

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      • THEY LIVE!!!

        1 year ago

        Just move the team to Vancouver or Portland. Then the Angels can move to San Diego. Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim was always a joke.

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  33. towinagain

    1 year ago

    Just give the Dodgers the Championship. The season is over. We can all just take 2024 off from baseball.

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    • Irbias

      1 year ago

      Absolute total nonsense. Games aren’t played by contracts. They’re played by players that still have to pitch, hit and field. And spending bank vaults full of money doesn’t correlate to winning, especially in the postseason. Ohtani hasn’t won anything. He hasn’t even played on a team with a winning record. And as far as I know, Yamamoto hasn’t struck out a single ML hitter. Freeman and Betts went 1-30 vs AZ. So until this so-called ‘super team’ turns all this big talk and billions in contracts into a WS trophy, I’ll reserve judgment.

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      • towinagain

        1 year ago

        I’d take the Vegas odds on the Dodgers winning the WS next year. No joke, it’s a sure thing.

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    • THEY LIVE!!!

      1 year ago

      @ towinagain
      Well first the CDC and MLB must declare another Pandemic ©️
      Then we can watch the World Series played in Arlington Texas again or maybe Seattle at T-Mobile Park.

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  34. Atheletic Mariner’s Angel

    1 year ago

    Why Rangers kept / is trying gathering pitchers that can only pitch for the 2nd half of the season? Maddux on the mound for the first half?

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  35. MLBFan88

    1 year ago

    Hmmm…..Let’s remember what’s important in sports, WINNING, something the Dodgers can’t do in the post season. The fact is, the Dodgers are the new Yankees, (buying all the talent) but now all of a sudden it’s ok. The only difference is the Yankees produced, now look where they are…. The Dodgers will be there again someday too. Winning the west for what the past 10 seasons with only 1 *world series win which will always have the asterisk because of COVID . It’ll be an exciting team which will make the team plenty of money but when we look back at talent rich teams, they will be the biggest disappointment in championships.

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    • THEY LIVE!!!

      1 year ago

      MLB is a singular business with 30 team owners. It’s in fact a monopoly & a corporate monster. Who is to say the owners don’t decide each year who will win the Commissioner’s Trophy? It benefits the small town owners to throw them a bone or two by allowing them access to the playoffs by way of the format they created. The Dodgers aren’t hurting for only having 1 Championship since 1988. What I think is more ridiculous is the 3 World Championships the Giants got with those 3 teams.

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  36. THEY LIVE!!!

    1 year ago

    How about them Dodgers❓

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  37. John Bird

    1 year ago

    If Tim or any of the writers are still checking this post, this post has been at the top of my feed for 6 days. Since we have no idea when or if the Giants are going to do something could you guys please post another Giants story…any story…so I don’t have to see this headline every time I log in. At least until they miss out on Snell, etc. Thanks.

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  38. deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger

    1 year ago

    Update for Kershaw going to Texas rumors:
    sportskeeda.com/baseball/news-clayton-kershaw-free…

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