The Cubs officially announced the signing of left-hander Shota Imanaga to a four-year contract. It’s reportedly a $53MM guarantee. The deal contains a fifth-year team option and could reach $80MM. The Cubs will need to decide after the 2025 and potentially ’26 seasons whether to exercise the option for 2028. If the club declines the option at either point, Imanaga would have the ability to opt out and become a free agent. He receives limited no-trade rights and would earn a full no-trade clause if the Cubs exercise either of their options.
On top of what they’ll pay Imanaga, the Cubs owe a posting fee to the Yokohama BayStars of Nippon Professional Baseball. That’ll initially be a $9.825MM sum and would increase if the team exercises the option and/or Imanaga unlocks more money via escalators. The Cubs would owe the BayStars an additional 15% of whatever money the southpaw earns beyond the initial guarantee.
It’s the first MLB free agent pickup of the offseason for the Cubs. It’s a big acquisition, as the southpaw is one of the more intriguing pitchers in this year’s class. That makes the financial terms unexpected. At the beginning of the offseason, MLBTR predicted a five-year, $85MM contract. Reporting in recent weeks had suggested he could top $100MM. Even with the conditional opt-out possibilities, a $53MM guarantee and an $80MM maximum value comes in below general expectations.
Imanaga has spent the past eight seasons with the BayStars in his home country. He owns a career 3.18 ERA in a league generally regarded as the second-best level in the world. Imanaga has turned in a 3.08 or better in each of the past three seasons, including a sub-3.00 figure for the last two years.
During the 2023 campaign, he allowed 2.80 earned runs per nine through 148 innings. He led all NPB hurlers with 174 strikeouts, narrowly topping Dodgers’ $325MM signee Yoshinobu Yamamoto in that regard. That’s an impressive 29.2% clip that’s well above the 22.1% MLB average. He paired that with a tidy 4% walk rate, ranking him among NPB’s best pitchers at dominating the strike zone.
Despite the strong strikeout and walk profile, Imanaga doesn’t come with the kind of excitement generated by Yamamoto. That’s in part due to age. Having turned 30 last September, Imanaga is a typical age for a first-time free agent starter. More importantly, his repertoire points more toward a projection as a solid mid-rotation arm than a potential ace.
Evaluators with whom MLBTR spoke before the offseason suggested Imanaga profiles as a #3/4 pitcher in a big league rotation. Baseball America’s Kyle Glaser pegged him as a #4/5 type in a scouting report from early December. The 5’10” hurler typically sits in the low-90s with his fastball, touching the 94-95 MPH range in shorter stints.
Evaluators have credited him with above-average life on the pitch, allowing it to play for whiffs at the top of the strike zone despite the pedestrian velocity. Glaser writes that Imanaga backs that up with an above-average split but suggests his MLB upside may be capped by middling breaking stuff.
The main concern in Imanaga’s statistical profile has been the longball. He surrendered 17 homers last season, the second-most of any NPB pitcher. While some of that is attributable to workload — he was 15th in innings pitched — it hints at a fly-ball profile that could give some evaluators pause. The Yankees reportedly stayed on the periphery of the bidding in part because of concerns that Imanaga wouldn’t profile well in a very hitter-friendly home park. Statcast’s Park Factors rate Wrigley Field as slightly favorable to home runs, but it’s not among the top handful of hitting venues in MLB.
Imanaga’s stellar strikeout/walk profile and consistently strong results generated a decent amount of reported interest. The Red Sox, Giants and Angels were all reported to be in the bidding of late. He’ll bypass those teams to step into a Chicago rotation that seems likely to lose Marcus Stroman to free agency.
Imanaga joins Justin Steele, Kyle Hendricks and Jameson Taillon as locks for the Opening Day rotation. The likes of Jordan Wicks, Javier Assad, Hayden Wesneski and prospect Ben Brown could battle for the #5 job. There’s still plenty of time for president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer and his front office to add another starter if they want to solidify the final spot and push all their younger, unproven arms into depth roles.
The fee to the BayStars is proportional to the contract value: 20% of the deal’s first $25MM ($5MM), 17.5% of the next $25MM ($4.375MM) and 15% of further spending ($450K). The 15% rate also applies to whatever future earnings Imanaga secures.
A posting fee is on top of the sum to the player but not included in the deal’s competitive balance tax calculation. The average annual value checks in at $13.25MM. According to Roster Resource, that’ll push the team’s CBT number north of $198MM. That’s nowhere near next year’s $237MM tax threshold. Evenly distributing the salaries would move the team’s 2024 payroll commitments to roughly $191MM — slightly beyond last year’s approximate $184MM Opening Day mark.
Bob Nightengale of USA Today first reported the Cubs had an agreement with Imanaga. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reported the presence of various escalators and option provisions and the deal’s $80MM maximum value. ESPN’s Jesse Rogers reported the four-year, $53MM agreement, as well as the club option/opt-out possibilities after years two and three. Patrick Mooney of the Athletic reported the no-trade provisions.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
Good no more whining about the Cubs doing nothing.
Larry D.
Amen to that.
Steve Nebraska
$?? Does anyone know the length or value of the contract? People were speculating around $100M. I’m interested to see when they post the “more to come” so we can see the value.
Fever Pitch Guy
davey – If he’s getting 6 years $150M he should buy his own damn watch!
ChrisEnvy76
You did exceptionally bad on this prediction.
ChrisEnvy76
It’s already reported the deal is $15 mil average.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
That’s more than 15mil Aav.
Dorothy_Mantooth
If he agreed to $15M per year, I bet it is at least a 6 year deal with opt outs.
ChrisEnvy76
The Cubs aren’t signing him to a 6 year deal. I’m assuming you don’t follow the Cubs? My guess is 3-4 years. 5 would be a stretch.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
At most it’ll be 5 years with an option for a 6th year.
Habitual Truth Teller
He didn’t do that bad
Guess 25 AAV
Reported 15 AVV
Wasn’t a bad guess at all.
Bartis
I’ve heard 15 mill/year for 6
TrumboRedux
A lot of money over a relatively short period of time.
Nomah
It’s a 15m AAV, so…no.
TrumboRedux
So 60m over the course of 4 years wouldn’t be a lot of money over a short period of time?
ChrisEnvy76
For a player in MLB? No.
TrumboRedux
Lol Since when? Plenty of guys in the show would love to make 15m a year. Puts him in around the top 80 paid MLB players. There are around 1200…You tell me what percentile that puts his annual salary in… Yes, it is A LOT of $$$!
l9ydodger
Around $15 mil over multiple seasons according to Morosi. Cubs starting a new negotiating platform, defer money and the years!
178iq
5 years 15 mil a year. With up to 5 million in bonuses 80 mil total. That’s that I was told… seems about right.
jade 2
or 2/30 – close
Fever Pitch Guy
Chris – He’s guaranteed a total of $8.5M less than Lucas “Innings Eater” Giolito. Let that sink in, Red Sox fans.
And Breslow had extensively evaluated Shota …. for the Cubs.
AP232323
I would be shocked if it’s more than Senga’s contract
JoeBrady
1-Wait until you see the contract.
2-Wait until you see them pitch.
D-Nice
Unless I read too fast, I thought it said upwards of $80 either with possible or plus incentives. Also, it said something in the neighborhood of 15 per. I’ll read it again. Perhaps I’m high. EDIT: I apologize. I just noticed you posted yesterday. So obviously everything was unknown at the time.
richardc
This was a heck of alot better than the deal most were speculating he would get.
Solid move by the Cubs, and he’ll basically be their what #4?
D-Nice
I suppose I could’ve just deleted it, but I edited it instead. I apologized. Which more than most would do. You should talk more baseball and less sh☆☆. Everytime i read the comments on something, you’re running your yap to someone. I rarely comment, but it doesn’t surprise me that when I finally did, it’s you that says something salty.
D-Nice
I actually was trying to be funny. Which is why I threw in the “perhaps I’m high”, but I knew I was accurate. Incidentally, it’s crazy that he only got 53 over 4. Everyone should have been in on him for that price. Considering what others are getting. And I value yours and Everyone else’s baseball opinions so it’s all good, bro. I just got a little annoyed for a sec. No biggie though.
Goku the Knowledgable One
ima what???????
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Fly the “W”.
Shadow_Banned
Giants losing out again. Even the nerdy kid gets a date to prom.
FenwayFanatic
Red Sox as well
Sox67
You weren’t hoping Sox would sign a free agent now who could’ve help them ?
Fever Pitch Guy
Sox – All I can say, if the Red Sox don’t land Monty or Snell or Burnes it’s gonna get really, really uncomfortable at Winter Weekend next week.
Cooperdooper7
The Red Sox dodged a bullet on this one Fever Pitch…. As far as the Sox Winter Weekend…. if Cora is there it should get real uncomfortable real quick.
Fever Pitch Guy
Coop – I dunno, it’s a crap shoot with all of these free agent pitchers. Plenty of people think Snell and Montgomery would be mistakes too. At some point the Sox gotta bite the bullet, be bold and take a risk. $15M a year seems reasonable, especially if he pitches like Senga.
As for Cora, he probably was a big factor in Bloom’s firing so fans might cut him some slack … not much, but a little.
Rsox
Sox aren’t landing Burnes. Snell is a terrible fit (David Price 2.0). Looks like Montgomery, though he says his wish is to return to Texas. I think if they land another starter it’s going to be a barrel scraper (Dallas Keuchel? Brad Keller?) Or a reclamation project (a Paxton reunion, Jake Odorizzi)
Rsox
That falls under “barrel scraping”
FenwayFanatic
First time going. Should be a hoot!!!!!
Slow day at work
I think the Angels needed Imanaga the most
HalosHeavenJJ
We already have Detmers, Sandoval, and Anderson from the left side.
Detmers has solid potential but the other two are definitely mid to back end rotation guys.
Shota seems like more of what we already have. We could use more of it, but I’d really prefer a righty or Montgomery.
I’m interested in the contract totals but if Clevinger + Hicks is close in AAV to just Shota or Snell, I’d greatly prefer the duo.
djmac
Bad analogy. Sun soaked, beer drinking bleacher bums are not exactly nerdy.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Giants and Red Sox operate like carbon copies of each other, so what else is new?
Candlestoked
Giants wouldn’t go over three years. God whispered this to me.
foppert2
I was thinking that limit might have been 5 this time around.
Ejemp2006
Brother, this is a massive overpay. The Giants and Red Sox lost nothing here, except a headline.
ChrisEnvy76
$15mil/yr is a massive overpay? LOL. What are you talking about?
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I’m fine either way, there’s still other ways to get pitching. Just no Snell please
sgtschultz
Too little, too late. And, no, it’s not.
Edub23
Really nice signing. This is how a team should spend $15 million per year on a good pitcher.
Congrats to the Cubs!
seth3120
This is a solid signing. Surprised they got him for what they did.
I speak the truth
If he was as good as they were saying he would have gotten the $80-100 million that was speculated about. This deal tells me most MLB teams weren’t that impressed. You can say the Cubs got a deal but all the other teams said the Cubs overpaid by not committing more. Good luck with your overpaid middle reliever.
Bruce wulff
On the eve of the cubs convention and the cubs have done nothing to this point, the fans were getting restless so what do you expect?
Asobko
Surprised it was the cubs.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Not really surprising considering they tried for Yamamoto and Ohtani.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Darvish spoke highly of his time there, and they still have Suzuki. The fly balls will be a concern in July and August, but Wrigley is more of a pitcher’s park for the first two months and in October.
stymeedone
How would the Cubs know what type of park it is in October? Too small a sample size.
Buzzz Killington
The Dodgers have to Dodge some deals.
njmlins
Bring back Bellinger?
scjohn92
As a Cubs fan, I hope they don’t re-sign Bellinger, especially for the number of years and dollars he and Boras are wanting. I’d rather they roll the dice with PCA in CF, and give Mervis a chance at 1B,(with Wisdom who can alternate between the corner IF & DH spots)
haringbone
As a Dodgers fan im down on him. But he did well there. Thought yall were a match. Just cost? Or something else?
jawinks
I have a feeling Bellinger’s market isn’t as robust as Boras hopes and they’ll be able to meet in the middle on a solid offer
HalosHeavenJJ
Who has money and could use him?
Cubs and Angels are the two obvious fits I can think of.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I think the Blue Jays sign Bellinger. They’ve missed out on every big free agent so far
TomL
That’s insane, and I’m as big of a Mervis fan as anyone but remember we needed a BIG BAT to pair with retaining Bellinger of the 2023 team. We have no improved bats yet from the second half and none automatically ready to jump up and perform. If Belli goes, Shirely, they will not start the season without getting a thump from a JD Martinez, Soler, Justin Turner, or Rhys Hoskins type of bat.
The Natural
No improved bats from the 2nd half? Suzuki was something like 3rd in OPS+ in baseball the last 6 weeks.
PutPeteinthehall
They know better than reunite with Soler. Justin Turner would be a great fall back if cannot get Hoskins. Borass will have to come back begging if no one offers Bellinger a long term deal.
Saintg4life
SURELY, and don’t call me SHIRLEY.
agentx
Roger, Roger.
Hyatt Visa
BORE ASS!
rondon
Too soon to say.. He and the Cubs were great together last season. They need a power LH bat. The man is gold glove level in CF and damn good at 1B. Too many naysayers on here. He could just as easily end up being as good as last year going forward. If they add a Chapman and a couple of BP pieces, they could be much better
Citizen1
Boras, is that you?
Which Chapman? There are many
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Nervous Mervis
ryrockak
Rolling into next season with Mervis/Wisdom at 1B would be a horrible idea
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Thing is, if you don’t start Mervis, he’s not going to get better
Unclemike1525
ryrockak- Rolling into the season with Wisdom is a horrible idea.
LonnieB
Take it from AA and trade AAAA guys to get MLB guys
Rking
It would definitely be unwise
ryrockak
I get it but the Cubs are win now and he really struggled in the majors last year obviously. I never saw how he finished the season in the minors
Unclemike1525
ryrockak-Wisdom didn’t finish in the Minors. He was with the Cubs all year. If that’s who you meant.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Could get Hoskins and Soler on 2 year deals, probably better than going 6 years for Belli. All three would be nice and they could call it an off-season.
ChrisEnvy76
I just don’t get people. The only knock on Bellinger really was that his exit velo was low. If people actually watched his at bats though, it was low because with 2 strikes he was slapping at the ball and it worked out great. I think at the end of the year he was trying to get his power numbers up so he was doing it less. That didn’t work for him. Still ended up with a fantastic year and power numbers that were very good with him missing a month. Keeping him at 1b is ideal to keep him healthy. But Bellinger and a great DH like JD Martinez or J. Turner would be a great fit.
Citizen1
Not for that money just to dh on an oft injured player. Ohtani got the money he earned since he can pitch, bat and field.
LetTheGoodTimesROFL
I hope people pay attention to this comment. You put it better than I could.
stymeedone
Don’t say oft injured player, and then fail to point at Ohtani.
T8Rcheese1
PCA did not look remotely close to being a big league hitter. Defense is excellent tho. Mervis was just bad, like a 4 A player, so he’ll be in the minors unless he destroys in the spring. P wizzy is a solid power but but awful at 1st defensively. Maybe they are banking on Counsel to get a few more wins with that same scenario but I feel like they want a 1st base bat.
ChrisEnvy76
PCA had 14 at bats and they were sporadic. You cannot be serious with this.
T8Rcheese1
Ya, I wouldn’t have said it otherwise. I hope he is great, or even average at the dish with that glove because it is elite. Ive seen enough baseball to know if a guys ready to hit or not and he wasn’t. In his defense, obviously yes a very small sample size but overmatched is easy to see.
rondon
After 14 abs?? Ridiculous take. Heck, Ryno was 0 for 28 when he first came up. Was he overmatched?
mike127
What everyone overlooks here is that PCA NEVER would have been called up if the Cubs weren’t in a playoff chase. He was brought up for defense and base running (didn’t do very well on the paths).
He was a September call up for situational baseball only.
He is probably AT LEAST another half season, if not full minor league season away from being ready.
If we are in 2025 and his hit tool isn’t ready it may be time for the slightest of concern. Not after 14 plate appearances scattered over 20 or so games.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I agree with cheese. PCA is nowhere near ready, plate-wise. He may be the starting CF in 2025, but on Opening Day 2024 it is looking like Mike Tauchman unless the Cubs overpay for Bellinger, which would be ok with me. Could PCA be ready by mid-season, maybe, but better to wait rather than having him bounce up and down. I am sure that he will be a big league player – and eventually a good one – but not Opening Day 2024.
ChrisEnvy76
Again, PCA had 14 at-bats. It’s just silly to pretend like we have any idea what he might look like given a lot of at-bats and time to adjust. There is no indication that the Cubs will have to overpay to land Bellinger. As time marches on, Bellinger will be just as in need of signing a contract as The Cubs will be in singing more talent to their lineup. Everyone thought they were going to overpay for Imanaga, they didn’t at all. and in fact it looks to be what I suggested it might be, 2-3 years and then options.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Rondon
In Sandberg’s first 1374 at-bats, he had an OBP of 0.314 and averaged 7.5 home runs per year.
In 337 at-bats, Mike Tauchman hit 8 home runs and had an OBP of 0.363.
The average OBP in baseball for the 2021 regular season was around 0.320.
As an outfielder, higher production is traditionally expected than as a middle infielder.
But Sandberg ended up being a Hall of Famer, there are lenty of 0 for 28s who do do not.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Mike127
This I agree with. PCA will be a very good player. Just not by Opening Day 2024. Quite possibly by Opening Day 2025.
stymeedone
Was it overmatched, or just nervous?
rondon
Manny… Which goes to show you 14 abs tell you nothing.
johnnynoitall
Nah. Bellinger was everything you want in a teammate and their best offensive player. I want him back.
stymeedone
One of those things you want in a player is affordability. He may no longer be that.
jade 2
The Cubs will probably sign 1 of Belli, Hoskins, Chapman – Belli is the best fit as a lefty and CF. Plus it looks like his market has dried up for the 200+ Borad was hoping. I’d guess 20ish AAV with an opt out after yr 2.
neurogame
Aren’t they a worse team without a Bellinger though? The organization just made CC the highest paid manager in baseball but haven’t added talent to the roster from last year, especially with Shota slated to be a 4/5 starter.
iml12
Cubs need to replace his bat for sure. Defensively if they stick PCA in center they are improved. Honestly, if they sign Turner, Hoskins and play PCA in center they are probably better all around. Stroman was worthless in the second half but pitched extremely well in the first. Imanaga seems like a great replacement.
TrumboRedux
Don’t be greedy
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I think Bellinger does a Dexter Fowler and signs on the first day of Spring Training. Boras is going to stretch it out as long as possible to get the Cubs to bid against themselves or get some other team desperate (SF, Boston?)
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Are you kidding me? Boston isn’t paying for pitching, which is their biggest need, so why would they cave in and pay for Bellinger?
Habitual Truth Teller
Who needs pitching-! Most runs win the game! Boston going for a shoot out style approach I like it.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I put a ? there… Boston has to sign someone at some position this winter, unless they are ready to admit that it’s rebuild time. (I think it is, but I don’t think John Henry will admit it.)
A fair deal for Chicago would be 7/190 with an opt-out after 2026 if Bellinger finishes in the top 4 for MVP once in the first three years, and a team ability to defer most of the last four years if he is awful (with PA as a proxy for that).
stymeedone
Don’t bid against yourself. Start with an offer of 5/$100MM, with an opt out after year 2. Doubt anyone has offered that much.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Likly Toronto, Chicago or SF, in that order, or super long-shots of Colorado, Miami, Anaheim – Boston seems unlikely.
Rsox
That would make this a solid off-season for the Cubs actually. Some bullpen additions on minor league deals would probably be the finishing touchs
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I’d also like to see them unload Smiley and Wisdom to a team like Oakland.
Rsox
Smyly makes more than the A’s whole roster, actually Wisdom probably does too
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Amazingly even though he is 32, Wisdom is 1st-year arb, so probably in the $1.1M range.
Smyly makes about $9M. At least Craig Breslow knows enough not to trade for him. The White Sox could use him, he’d be their ace once they trade Cease.
maxmilna
Congrats Cubs!
Michol
He’s just an average pitcher
claude raymond
And likely an extreme overpay.
TomL
The Cubs do everything but overpay.
scjohn92
Jason Heyward enters the room and says “Hold my book beer”
1984wasntamanual
An average starter is actually pretty valuable
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I think he will be better than average
Slow day at work
He will be more than an average pitcher. Not a true Ace, but really close to that. I would go as far as to say that he will have a better first season in the Majors than Yamamoto will with the Dodgers.
baseballpun
What would you possibly base that on?
kripes-brewers
Reportedly, the NPB baseball is slightly smaller and more tacky, allowing better grip, and thusly, enhanced spin rates. We’ll have to see how that plays out in the MLB over an entire season for him. He’s 5’10”, and his hands may not be able to do what they did, not to mention the rest of his body.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The Athletic said that a good comp to Shota Imanaga is Kodai Senga, but slightly less velo and fewer walks. I tend to think that Yamamoto will outshine both but all three will be sub-4.00 era pitchers.
Slow day at work
@baseballpun I have seen a couple of his recent games in the Japan League and he seems to always have the hitters off-balance. He seems like a pitcher who knows how to use his pitches effectively, basically someone who doesn’t just rely on natural talent.
It may not translate to the MLB, but when he is on the mound, he reminds me of a lefty Zack Greinke during his prime. He has that type of command of the game.
Chris from NJ
I haven’t seen Imanaga work much, but I did watch a prime Greinke work a whole lot and he had close to if not Hall of Fame worthy stuff. He had 5 or 6 pitches with 3 really nasty ones. Imanaga from what I saw is 91-93 with a split. He has good control but Greinke painted. I’m trying too but I just don’t see the comparison.
Slow day at work
@Chris from NJ what surprised me about Imanaga is how he could throw his fastball in and out to righties and they would just take a called strike or swing and miss. It’s weird because it doesn’t seem like it has a lot of movement of speed, but more like the hitters can’t read it until it’s too late.
Again, this may not translate to MLB, but I hope he does well. Also, I’m not a Cubs fan, I’m a Braves fan that goes to a lot of Angels games due to proximity and was hoping he would sign with them
I speak the truth
Haha. Are you Dave Chappell?
ChrisEnvy76
Why are you people like this? Just waiting to say negative things. Seems like a really sad life.
djmac
A lefty with a FB at 94 – 95 and a 29% strikeout rate in the Japanese league should equate to an above average SP in MLB. Decent move by Mr Jed.
The Natural
Simply and elegantly stated. Bravo!
sgtschultz
Going to an average team.
ChrisEnvy76
Relax fella, they aren’t done.
LordD99
Unknown.
PinstripedPride
Wow the Cubs FINALLY did something. Good for them
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Finally. That’s the first domino to fall. Now go re-sign Bellinger.
acoss13
God yes! Hoyer picked a good one. Yes to Bellinger, no to Matt Chapman please!
stubby66
Just because Hoyer gives you players doesn’t mean they will succeed CC has a doghouse. Expect him to put Morel in that. CC uses players the way he wants and not how they will succeed. He plays favorites. Like Adames he should’ve been benched numerous times the last couple of years because of slumps and he refuse to do it. If he don’t like someone it doesn’t matter if they earned playing time he won’t play them.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I expect Morel to get traded within 60 days. Morel is a 2B or DH and Dansby and Nico have the middle infield covered. Morel has a lot of swing and miss for a DH, but ok iof someone needs a 2B. I know Seattle tried to get rid of low on-base guys, but it still feels lit a fit to me. Cubs could get a middle reliever and a team top 15-20 prospect and make a deal.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Trading Morel would be dumb. His ceiling is too high. He did good at 3rd in the Dominican Winter league. Only made 4 errors
Not a casual MLB fan
^This.
HatlessPete
@stubby who do think cc could have played at short who would have done better than adames?
Rsox
If Morel can crush 30+ Homers per season and play even semi-decent defense at 3B i think the Cubs would be happy
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Manny, Morel to Seattle or Miami for a young SP makes too much sense. That would also free up the DH spot for a guy like JD Martinez who would fit right into their contract window for Happ, Hoerner, and Suzuki.
acoss13
Rsox,
Morel can fumble all he wants at 3B if he continues what he showed in 2023. Matt Chapman can kick rocks…
Unclemike1525
Brickhouse- Name the position player that was traded for a teams high profile young starter. I’ll wait. I can wait all year because it doesn’t happen.
ChrisEnvy76
Is this a troll post? “Only made 4 errors”…. He only played in 24 games and only 22 of them were at 3B. He made 4 errors at 3B in 22 games and another 2 errors at SS in 2 games. There is no chance I play him anywhere but 2B or DH. He SHOULD be traded while he has value. He also hit .217 in the DWL.. that’s shockingly bad.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Did you actually see tape of any of those DL games? I saw video of Morel playing 3B in 2022 and 2023 in MLB and his defense was poor. Not saying he can’t improve, but Craig Counsel will expect more with the glove or Morel is limited to DH and utility. And there is a lot of swing and miss.
In 2023 DL play:
Player A 0.296 batting average, 9 home runs
Player B 0.217 batting average, 3 home runs
Player A is Franmil Reyes
Player B is Christopher Morel
baseball-reference.com/register/leader.cgi?id=e195…
stubby66
Well there was Turang or Monso. Put someone else there.Instead of letting a guy go 0 for 3 day in and day out. It would at the very least puts him on notice. Start doing other things . Make contact or even bunt. Show him that only going for the fence isn’t acceptable. a wake up call.
stymeedone
It makes sense for the Cubs. Not sure it makes sense for FLA or SEA.
mike127
Spot on ChrisEnvy——“only” 4 errors in 162 innings would be roughly 30 errors if he was the primary third baseman and played 120 games.
For comparison, Nick Madrigal NEVER played third base before last season and made four errors in 562 innings.
The Cubs brass obviously has a huge slant to defensive being highly important, thus Morel has poor chance of being an every day anything other than DH.
roob
Bad idea. They don’t need a CFer and Bellinger is going to be a huge overpay after his first good season in years.
ChrisEnvy76
He won’t be a huge overpay. Bellinger’s approach with 2 strikes is the biggest change he had and noting that his approach was to slap at the ball, you then understand why his exit velo was down and batting average was up. You don’t need high exit velo to be successful. Bellinger would be a great pick up for the Cubs as long as they add another bat, maybe two.
Rsox
Pete Crow-Armstrong isn’t a sure thing and if he is as good as advertised Bellinger could slide to a corner or PCA could
rememberthecoop
Jed Hoyer finally comes out of hibernation.
acoss13
Hoyer turned in his homework right before the Cubs convention. Now he won’t get as many boos, just a couple now.
LordD99
As expected.
TradeAcuna
Woohoo not a Dodger!
braveshomer
First time for everything I guess lol
BennyG1919
Wait wtf??? Why didn’t the dodgers sign him don’t they need an 8th starter with 100 year deferral?
This is weird I forgot the league had other teams
JerseyShoreScore
All this crying about the Dodgers deferrals remind of last year when everyone was outraged that 25 Percent of Edwin Diaz’s contract was deferred…
Or the fact that the Mets are ruining the game with baseball’s highest payroll…
larkraxm
Yeah. I’ll never forget how the Mets won the world series last year by spending more than other teams in the off season. It really isn’t fair. How is Arizona supposed to compete with that? I also remember how the Angels won all of those world series with the super team of Trout and Ohtani. How is anyone supposed to compete with that. Every roster should like the Pirates’ or it isn’t fair.
TomL
Who is Edwin Diaz? You’re compare 25% deferral to Ohtani’s 98% deferred contract that’s bigger than Colorado’s whole state GDP?
Yankee Clipper
Well, to be honest you can’t blame LAD for OHTANI’s request to have his total salary deferred. To do so is to ignore the fact that Ohtani wanted to play in LA, he wanted to win with LA, and he was willing to sacrifice what most players aren’t to get that done. Nothing to do with LAD except they were his choice location.
Cardsfanatik redux
Ohtani offered more than the Dodgers that contract option. so he didn’t do it for LA specifically.
TrumboRedux
Clip, I concur. I also think 90% of the reason he agreed to have money deferred was literally for them to sign Yoshi. They probably told Shohei point blank: “Sign and we will get your man or die trying.” And if not Yoshi, they probably swore that they would grab whatever other pitchers he personally liked. Snell and Monty? Would have been to problem…They probably were 99% to the finish line with Yoshi as they were sealing the deal with Shohei.
Fever Pitch Guy
Trumbo – The huge deferral was Ohtani’s idea, and he asked other teams to do the same. The only team that refused …. was the Angels.
TrumboRedux
I knew it was his idea, though didn’t know he was asking others to do the same…Why was he asking every team to do that?
Fever Pitch Guy
Trumbo – Taxes, he wouldn’t have to pay the high state taxes if he is living in a low or no-tax state when he begins collecting the deferrals. Probably the same if he’s living in Japan, no state taxes.
TrumboRedux
Fever, I am surprised that people were not talking about a massive deferral possibility before all of this happened if that is the case. Is Shohei just a super-genius? Why was everyone so stunned by the deal and deferral if it was such a no brainer? Not trying to be or sound argumenative at all amigo, I just have questions hah
0523me
Sacrifice? lol
TrumboRedux
Who did Shohei have to sacrifice? I just knew he was into some strange stuff!
Yankee Clipper
0523me: So, would you give up 98% of your salary for a decade for the team to make necessary moves to win? I think sacrifice is the appropriate terminology when discussing it in the context of players’ typical approaches to contractual agreements. Otherwise, why was everyone so stunned?
Yes, it’s a sacrifice. If he dies at some point before he collects in that money, he never gets to enjoy what he earned. I’m not saying it doesn’t also have some benefits for him also.
revolver
Lmfao ,Japan has an income tax that would make any Americans eyes water .
Horace Fury
Ohtani can afford the “sacrifice” in a way that other players can’t because he will be paid very handsomely in endorsement deals.
TrumboRedux
It’s a good point, Horace. People forget he is getting 60mil+ per year in endorsements and probably has 200+mil banked already. For all we know he has investments that have paid off over the years and has 300 or 400mil banked already.
M.C.Homer
abc7.com/shohei-ohtani-taxes-california-deferrals/…
The State of CA coming after his contract
JoeBrady
Cohen (CA) is right. This probably happens more frequently than people think. If you take $10M for a movie, you pay tax on $10M. But if you take $1M, and a deferred piece of the future gross, you can defer that tax until you live in a low-tax state.
NYS addresses this in their public pension plans by taxing the contributions to the plans, and not taxing them when you take the distributions.
stymeedone
He didn’t give it up. He will still get it. If you are making $50MM a year (promotions) and defer an additional $50MM (Dodgers) to be paid later, what sacrifices do you have to make. Do you drop NetFlix? Buy Ford instead of Lincoln? He won’t be “sacrificing” anything.
JoeBob33
The contract between the Dodgers and Ohtani had nothing to do with the Dodgers except they were his choice location? That’s not my understanding of how contacts work.
Ohtani can request whatever he wants. Dodgers aren’t required to give it to him.
JoeBrady
Or the fact that the Mets are ruining the game with baseball’s highest payroll…
=====================
That’s just so 2023.
HalosHeavenJJ
There was lots of complaining about the Mets spending spree last year.
And as much as it pains me to compliment Cohen, he at least manned up and paid the luxury tax bill rather than offering money to be paid to guys grandkids.
Jean Matrac
No one was “outraged” over the Diaz deferral.
HalosHeavenJJ
I think you fell into a sar chasm there.
Jean Matrac
Me? Oblivious? Probably.
BennyG1919
At least the Mets are paying the appropriate amount of luxury tax. Deferred or not contracts should 100% count towards the tax. MLB not the Dodgers is raping the other teams by allowing this non sense. Sure they can spend whatever they want but penalize them as you should for it
BennyG1919
Also these players aren’t very bright. Did they not see what inflation does to an economy the last 3 years? Lmao you would have to be a moron to take money deferred 20 years. In 20 years that money might be worth less than half what it is today.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Exactly. Dave Roberts better not get a single Manager of the Year vote over the next decade.
Liberalsteve
What if they win 120 games next year?
TrumboRedux
People will say that the team was so talented that it could have managed themselves, and that Roberts had nothing to do with it.
gkrake
I submit for your consideration, the case of the Mets and the Padres. Sometimes having a super team without a good manager can not pan out. Roberts continued consistent success is underrated.
GeronimoSon
does that include the 118 they win in the regular season??
…do the math…
VonPurpleHayes
The Mets never had a super team. They just spent dumb money. Most Mets fans saw the flaws in that roster. The Dodgers are a super team.
slider32
Cohen said he was going to be like the Dodgers, but they look more like the Giants!
Fever Pitch Guy
gkrake – Ditto the case of the 2019 Red Sox. Highest payroll in MLB, defending 108-win World Champions, completely unprepared to compete until June because Cora wanted them well-rested for the postseason.
He succeeded, the 2019 Red Sox were extremely well rested as they sat on their sofas watching the playoffs.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
It’s a process
Rsox
@TrumboRedux
They would be correct. Watch 95% of Dodger postseason games in the last 8 years to see what happens when Roberts actually tries to “manage” the team
Rsox
The only thing this is going to do is make the next CBA negotiations a bigger nightmare than the last, only difference is it will be owners vs owners instead of owners vs players
TrumboRedux
Thunderdome style!!
HalosHeavenJJ
The owners have needed to fix their end for a long time.
I’d be pissed if o was a big market owner watching Nutting pocket tens of millions in revenue sharing year after year.
I’d be pissed if I was a small market owner and at such a huge disadvantage.
Not a casual MLB fan
As a Cub fan this was a bit unexpected and is incredibly exciting. Hopefully this first signing is a sign of even more on the horizon!
holycow16
I think you’re right on track Caylor!
Go Cubs Go!!
Not a casual MLB fan
I’ve been more optimistic about the offseason than a number of Cub fans. I trust that Hoyer isn’t done yet.
I’m with you, HC16… Let’s go Cubs!
Orichalcon
thought this comment said “you’re right on crack Taylor!’ like the first 4 times i read it
Wire to wire 2024
And just like that the reds are fourth in the division lol
Fenway 1
First time I’m ok with losing out as a Red Sox fan
G.M. Ima Scapegoat
Over/under how long before we see the tweet about how there offer was well below what the cubs offered?
Pete'sView
Feel the same way as a Giants fan.
NewYorkSoxFan
Lefty flyball pitcher in Fenway, yikes! I’ll pass. Way better fit for the Cubbies.
Jaa1968
Boston #### the bed again
Dorothy_Mantooth
Don’t worry, the Red Sox will re-sign The Big Maple and all will be well (until he gets injured again).
FenwayFanatic
James Paxton CANNOT be on this team next year.
Jaa1968
Lord no
Niekro floater
Paxton’s so close though … n he’s due lol
stymeedone
You are correct, sir! Paxton will be on the Red Sox THIS year!
Prophet of the SL
I’ll take Bif Maple and Clevinger on one-year contracts….and flip them at the trade deadline…maybe for the price of one Imananga year. Sox will spend in 2025, not until the next wave comes up. Keep the faith!
Yankee Clipper
The only problem with that is: will they last until the trade deadline? If history is any indicator, there is a strong likelihood that one, if not both, are in the IL. Paxton’s a guarantee, Clevinger is 50/50.
Prophet of the SL
True…but I’d instead take that chance and then overpay in money and years for Montgomery or Snell. This dog isn’t ready to hunt, keep the powder dry.
Horace Fury
Most Sox fans would bristle at the idea of waiting for spending in 2025 . . . unless the plan is to get Roki Sasaki at any cost a year from now!!!
djmac
3 championships in the first 20 years of this century ain’t bad. Too bad my dad who was a life long Red Sox fan passed in 2002 but I tell him every time I visit his spot in Quabbin that his team has done good.
Cooperdooper7
Djmac : 2004, 2007, 2013, 2018….. equals 4x in my book.
drasco036
Now get Bellinger, Hoskins and Hicks!
greyishwhitesox
That would be truly impressive and would show they are committed to winning. Anything less is a bust
iml12
That’s 1,2,3 in my mind too.
Unclemike1525
Still not positive they’ll sign Bellinger AND Hoskins. But Bellinger should be the priority. Just please no more NTC’s Jed. But Hicks and or Stephenson would be nice.
drasco036
It was reported the other day the Cubs had offers out to Bellinger, Hoskins, Chapman and Montgomery. I’d be surprised if the Cubs got both Bellie and Hoskins, I’d be happy if they got Bellinger and snagged Carlos Santana for first on a one year deal.
Unclemike1525
There was also a rumor that the Marlins might want to get out from under Josh Bell’s 1 year 16.5 million dollar deal. It wouldn’t take a lot of prospect capital to pull him in I would think.. Another SH would be cool.
drasco036
I’d take a risk on Bell, ideally as a DH and/or a little money coming off the top.
Dogbone
Uncmike — I also wouldn’t mind them getting Josh Bell for the one year left on his contract. Marlins probably would be happy to get that contract off their payroll. I don’t want to give in to Boras ridiculous fantasy requests.
Between Bell, Tauchman, PCA, Mervis and Canario and Morel – that should be enough for Counsell to figure out covering CF, 1B and hopefully DH.
Also now with this signing it gives the Cubs the leeway and LH SP capital to work out a trade for a short term solution for 3B.
Unclemike1525
Dogbone- I hate to break it to you but Morel is the short term answer at 3B and Shaw is the long term answer. The deadline is the half year answer if Morel flops. The Cubs had about 60 million to spend to get to 237 million Luxury Dollars. If Bellinger costs 25 say that leaves around 20 million to get 2 relievers and either Bell or Hoskins. I’m sure finessing will be involved unless they can lose Smyly’s 11 million.
drasco036
Really hoping we can unload Smyly. That would be huge.
drasco036
I’m rather annoyed that I suggested the Cubs should have traded Mancini for Bell last year.
The Marlins trade Segura and their “11th ranked prospect” bust for Bell… Segura was owed more money than Mancini and the Guards happily took it on and cut him immediately. Imagine if the Cubs had Bell after the trade deadline, imagine if they had him now at a net cost of only 8 million dollars because we didn’t have Mancini.
Unclemike1525
Yeah, The Mancini thing was a bad idea and I liked it at the time which makes me feel worse. I’m thinking that if the Cubs, Didn’t pick up Hendricks option for 16 million they might be in a little better shape as they could probably get a guy like Clevinger a little cheaper. I still say Assad and Wicks would of made reasonable replacements for Hendricks. But what’s done is done. I’m sure that Ricketts and Hoyer would like to keep it below the Luxury Tax because that’s always the goal, But with the contracts coming off next year and everybody important already signed it would be no problem if the Cubs went over a bit this year. It would be easy to reset. I figure around 45-50 million coming off this winter and no major spending needed.
drasco036
One of them will replace Hendricks next year, which is ideal. Gives Assad and/or Wicks a chance to prove themselves in the fifth starter spot and move up to four next year while Horton/ Brown/whoever didn’t get it this year/etc battle for the fifth spot next year, then they move up and replace Taillon. It’s actually building a rotation the way you should.
Ideally you have
Steele
Imanaga
Taillon
Hendricks
Wicks/Assad
Then
Steele
Imanaga
Taillon
Wicks/Assad
Brown/Horton
Followed by:
Steele
Brown/Horton
Imanaga
Wicks/Assad
Ferris
And the cycle continues and continues
Unclemike1525
Exactly. Then you have no problems until Horton, Brown, Assad, Wicks reach 30 and then hopefully you have guys coming behind them ala the Rays philosophy. Then you can add if you want or trade or basically do anything.
roob
PCA > Bellinger. Done. They’re not wasting a fortune on Bellinger. Plus, they’re loaded with good OF prospects.
They need more pitching and a corner infielder.
drasco036
Yeah but there are not at first base. Bellinger plays cf while PCA works on his hit tool, then pushes to first or RF where he won a gold glove. Suzuki DH/outfield sub.
You can say what you want but no one currently on this team is a 30/100 threat
Baseball Purist
I would overpay on a 1 year pillow deal to Hoskins. Matt Shaw is already knocking on the door for 3b.
desertbull
You sign Bellinger to play Cf until Crow Armstrong is 100% ready then he goes to 1b. Then you trade outfield bats for pitching and / or 3B.
Not a casual MLB fan
I’m growing more optimistic that both Bellinger and Hoskins may in fact be signed by the Cubs. Just a hunch…
VonPurpleHayes
Hoskins is a perfect fit.
Dogbone
Except it might be expecting a lot for Hoskins to perform close to his previous level, after missing so much time. I’m not at all sold on Hoskins. I personally believe Morel will out perform Hoskins in 2024.
VonPurpleHayes
I’ll take that bet.
Fernando P
@Drascoo – Ok, you can have Aaron Hicks. LOL, just kidding I know you meant Jordan Hicks.
Thomar
Boston couldn’t even interest Mr. Miyagi
CravenMoorehead
Terry Silver runs the Dodgers
TrumboRedux
The karate expert??
CravenMoorehead
*playboy millionaire who does karate for…kicks 🙂
seattlehof24
Kikuchi 2.0
slider32
That’s 3 lefty starter, a little out of the norm?
roiste
Rotation handedness really doesn’t matter as long as all the pitchers are good. If a lefty is a starter it’s because he’s capable of getting righty hitters out
Unclemike1525
4 if you count Smyly.
drasco036
I am curious if this gives Assad a leg up in the battle for 5, or maybe the Cubs rock a six man rotation
jawinks
Smyly’s days in the Cubs rotation are over
ryrockak
Over Wicks? Hmmm I guess we will see.
Steele, Imanaga, Taillon and Hendricks are obvious locks
rondon
Smyly is may spot start but that’s all.
rondon
Smyly ‘may’
slider32
I think it does matter if the styles are the same! Seams to be rare to have 3 lefty starters to me.
roiste
It’s rare because lefties are rarer. The 2018 Red Sox won 108 games and the World Series with 3 lefties in the rotation. Different looks only make a real difference when you’re talking about the bullpen
Unclemike1525
Now the pen. Right Now:
Alzolay
Merryweather
Leiter Jr
Little
Wesneski
Assad?
Palencia?
Smyly?
Brasier?
Hicks?
Stephenson?
The last 3 make it look a lot better.
slider32
Normally you would think they are trying to neutralize top lefty hitters in their division, but I don’t see that angle.
desertbull
Why because they are new and shiny? If Hicks was actually good the Cards would have made at least a half heated attempt to keep him.
Unclemike1525
No. Because Stephenson and Brasier have both dumped a pitch that I hate and adopted Cutters instead of Sweepers. I hate that pitch There are very few P’s that can throw that pitch and actually control it. I hope Wesneski follows suit. Hicks only problem his whole career is staying healthy. I don’t expect he’ll get anywhere near the 4-40 this site is predicting. If it is I’m out. And Leiter and Little neutralize Lefties. And Horn is in the wings and if the Cubs are stuck with Smyly he obviously will start out in the pen one would assume.
NoNeckWilliams
Back in the late 70s, the White Sox had 5 lefthanded starters. Baseball Digest put them on one of their covers.
slider32
Yanks are also trying to sign another lefty, they would have 3
rotofool
Ha, I loved that Baseball Digest!
It actually was three lefty prospects, all very highly rated, lined up with their arms extended: Britt Burns, Ross Baumgardner, and Steve Trout, if I’m not mistaken.
Strange fact, that exact issue was on Dustin Hoffman’s desk in “Rainman”when Charlie first visits the hospital.
rotofool
I take it back, I misremembered. Not in Rainman…
slider32
Do the other teams in the central have trouble agains’t leftys?
drasco036
Ask the Dodgers about it when they faced the Red Sox in the World Series…
FenwayFanatic
Why did I become a Red Sox fan??? To just get teased year after year and get nothing of any value.
greyishwhitesox
What are you talking about crybaby? You had a WS in 2018. Try being a Cleveland or Chicago can and go DECADES without a championship
FenwayFanatic
I wasn’t a fan yet. Covid fan
gbs42
Wow, four whole seasons of suffering, FF. Sounds horrible.
eatonculo
Good for you. Welcome to baseball. Be the kind of fan you want to be. Don’t let anyone tell you differently. Don’t get bogged down by wins, losses, or other “fans” (on the internet especially).
Matthew De Lorge
2018 was one underwhelming Red Sox team, and ultimately, it was their demise as Dumbrowski destroyed the farm for a one year wonder. Todays garbage Red Sox team is because of him.
gbs42
Winning the World Series was underwhelming???
B dog 351
MDL . Who did DD get rid off that you want back ? I am curious. He traded away overrated prospects.
roiste
DD’s problem was he spent money on silly things like extending Chris Sale and Nathan Eovaldi instead of giving Mookie Betts what he deserved
B dog 351
Mookie still had a year left when DD was fired. That’s on Bloom and ownership. They had no problem wasting $ on Devers, Story., and bidding against themselves on Yoshida.
roiste
Mookie should have been extended WAY before his walk year. DD had opportunities to do so and did not
stymeedone
Mookie refused to sign. He didn’t want to stay in Boston. The GM didn’t matter. It was Mookie’s choice.
Matthew De Lorge
Yep, one of the most unexciting WS runs in recent memory. Going into the playoffs NOBODY in Massachusetts was talking about them, seeing they were a boring watch. Once they made the playoffs and won a few games fans finally started paying attention, but still, the team had little buzz even throughout the playoffs.
Then in typical fashion when they won the fans cheered and acted like fans often do up here. They got on the bandwagon.
Red Sox fans are not Cubs fans, and that Red Sox team had zero character, and an ailing David Ortiz who was using to get himself through an Achilles injury.
gbs42
Matthew, that’s quite a deflated view of a championship. My condolences on your title.
Matthew De Lorge
If you lived 2018 in Massachusetts, it was deflating. The “passion” you hear about regarding Massachusetts and their fan bases is fake. Sure there are some die hard fans, but the larger, more passionate fan bases are the Cubs and Cardinals fans to name a few.
Regarding the 2018 team, look back and tell me what was exciting about that team? .
Matthew De Lorge
You hear plenty of players say they don’t want to sign or refuse to talk contract during the season……to then see them sign a massive deal. Also, wasn’t his disdain about signing somewhat about how he felt he was treated in Boston?
gbs42
Exciting: Betts, Bogaerts, J.D. Martinez’s
great year, Devers’ first full season, a very strong rotation and great closer seem like a few good reasons to be excited.
I’m obviously not going to change your mind, but 29 other fanbases would trade places that season.
Matthew De Lorge
I mean, you can armchair QB all day, but at the time some of the prospects had worth..
Dombrowski was a terrible GM.and Pres of Player Ops
-His drafts had little impact
2016 – Jay Groome, Bobby Dalbec
2017 – Tanner Houck
2018 – Triston Casas, Nick Decker
2019 – no 1st rounder
What did these players do or get them
Awesome as a draft expert
-His trades in 2018
Arizona (3/24/18) Josh Taylor for Deven Marrero
Seattle (4/23/18) Eric Filia for Roenis Elias
Toronto (6/28/18) Steve Pearce for Santiago Espinal
Tampa Bay (7/25/18) Nathan Eovaldi for Jalen Beeks
Los Angeles (7/30/18) Ian Kinsler for Ty Buttrey, Williams Jerez
Where is the impact there? He magically got one of Eovaldi’s good streaks in the playoffs, which was PURE luck because he has been so up and down in his career..
His free agent signings
2015 – David Price
2016 – Mitch Moreland,
2018 – Eduardo Nunez, J.D. Martinez, Ryan Brasier
2019 – Steve Pearce, Nate Eovaldi
Tell me who of those players you would have signed besides JD? Price was TRASH
This isn’t even considering he let Betts walk, extended Sale and left the team baron.
You ask me if I’d want 3 last place finished and a championship or 4 1st or 2nd place finishes and an exit in the playoffs in competitive games, I would take the latter. I’m not a player, I’m a fan. The latter guarantees for 4 years I enjoyed a full season of baseball, something the Red So did not do much of, and have not since. Under Dumbrowski, the Sox were done by the All Star Break. in the years they stunk it up.
Sorry, guy is terrible, and he has a track record of this. He decimated Detroit prior.. Perfect example of failing upwards!
Sox67
Welcome to the club. Been the same since 67 for me
gbs42
Sox67, four WS titles in two decades.
JoeBrady
People are teasing you about owning 4 WSC sweatshirts?
rct
Seems strange for the Cubs considering his supposed HR issues but good for them. Hope he pitches well.
rememberthecoop
What HR issues?
Pete'sView
Imanaga has quite a bit of HomeRun-itis. Check the stats.
acoss13
Wrigley Field with the wind blowing in, it happens even during the summer heat, kills a lot of flyballs that have potential to be homeruns. Not sure Imanaga would have fared well in Fenway or Yankee stadium though.
Joel P
Yeah we will see. Curious how much and for how many years.
iml12
Wrigley is a neutral park. If the Winds blowing in you want fly balls.
rct
The statcast thing says Wrigley allows ~6% more HR than a neutral park, which isn’t much, I guess. Hope it works out!
slider32
Depends on the time of year!
revolver
Wrigley is historically park neutral with over a 100 seasons of sample size. The canard that it’s a hitters paradise has never been true .
CarolinaCubsandKush
Wow, with the way things were going I thought the Dodgers were going to swoop in last minute. Hoping this breaks the damn open.
drasco036
It’s a 5 year 1 billion dollar contract, Imanaga will earn 20 million per season for the first five years and the rest will be deferred until 4024
cubfanforever
Great, no go get another starter.
mike127
Seiya couldn,t snag Shohei but got his good buddy to join him.
stymeedone
Yes, I am sure that’s the reason he signed.
TellItGoodbye
Super high fly ball percentage should play well in Wrigley! This should be fun to watch. (Translation: I’m bummed he didn’t go to the Giants)
claude raymond
I’m not bummed. huge overpay I’m guessing. ill take stroman or clevinger. they’ll be just as good
Pete'sView
claude raymond —I agree that I didn’t really want Imanaga and assume it will be an overpay. And I don’t mind Stroman as long as they’re still in on the bog boys (Snell, Monrgomery, Beiber et al), but my god, you can’t be serious about Clevenger!
Not only is he a #4 or #5 at best, he’s a known clubhouse cancer.
You’re usually more level headed.
revolver
They’ll both get more than 15 mil aav.
agnes gooch
Me too TellItGoodbye, but maybe it’s a gift in the long run to not have him clogging the works. We have lots of young arms in the system, give them a chance!
HopefulTwinsFan
When I read the Giants were the front-runners for Imanaga yesterday, I got excited because that was my FA prediction for the contest. Another pick wrong…
CCooper8920
Really painful to see the Giants miss again.
claude raymond
Giants fan since 1968. It’s not painful to me. overpay.
DroppedThirdStrike
At $15 mil a year?! That’s a bargain
Bryzzo2016
It really is. These meatball fans claiming they didn’t want him are the same ones pleading for the Giants to sign him a couple days ago. 15 mil a year for a SP of this caliber is definitely a bargain. Patience paid off for the Cubs.
giacgara
Well, no. Would rather have Snell, Monty, and/or Stroman instead. Now if the Giants don’t get any good FA SP, then I won’t be happy.
Ma4170
Interesting… didnt see that as a fit, but hopefully he can get his HR issues under control and be a strong 3
iml12
Yamamoto who?
YanksTomator
Have to wait to see if overpay or good deal.
10centBeerNight
Best of luck to the Cubbies
Seaver rules
He looks like a good pitcher but if you give up a lot of home runs in Japan, why pick Wrigley Field and almost Fenway. His ERA will be over 4 for sure. Should have went with Giants.
revolver
Wrigley is historically neutral. Not a small sample size either.
HalosHeavenJJ
Alright. The off season of being aggressive and improving the team continues!
For real, I’m looking forward to watching him pitch.
Guyerbassist
Another fail by the Rangers. Guess they are still hungover from the WS…
roiste
Globe Life Field is the sixth most homer-friendly park in the league. Imanaga would not have been a good fit there.
I wouldn’t get too mad when all signs point to Montgomery returning to you guys
stymeedone
No, not a fail. They passed.
rememberthecoop
If the Rangers are going to sign a starter it’s going to be Monty. But with the TV deal in Flux, they may pass entirely.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Congratulations Cubs fans!
rememberthecoop
Thank you Yankees!
Saint Nick
Cubs really going for 3rd place. Big props.
Wire to wire 2024
I doubt they’re done but we’ll see.
holycow16
Come on with Montgomery or Cease!!!
We know Bellinger is coming back.
Go Cubs Go!!!
Poolhalljunkies
Be interesting to find out terms
sacrifice
I wouldn’t go crazy over this guy.
He’s a good long reliever in my book.
gbs42
Lots of people writing their own books about Imanaga. Time will tell.
mike127
Title or link, please. That’s definitely a book I want to read.
desertbull
Whats the name if your book.
Baseball By Dummies?
King Floch
Good for Da Cubbies and keeps him out of the AL East, so also good for my Orioles. Very nice.
TrumboRedux
I love how people are talking about an “overpay” when nobody knows the amount/for how long hahaha Gimme a break people.
gravel
When the article is updated they will have their preferred reaction already in place!
TrumboRedux
LOL!!!
Cknyc
thank goodness yankees didnt sign that flyball pitcher.
wait, yankees got cody poteet.
dannggit
HatlessPete
It’s not like the Yankees have the same expectations of Poteet that they would have had for imanaga tho
Mike Adamson
How can this be? Pirates were in on him! Source- Trust me
Matthew De Lorge
The Yankees signing Kevin Smith was more impactful
revolver
Lmfao
Liberalsteve
Cubs/Tigers world series. book it
gbs42
What year? Forever is a mighty long time.
Liberalsteve
This year. Easy division champs and coin flips in playoffs
gravel
Time machine to 1945!
PutPeteinthehall
Was exactly one game away from this 40 years ago. Tigers made the series and won. Cubs were up 2-0 in NLCS and lost the next three games.
Millar101
Good for the cubs!! As for Me I’m a Red Sox die hard and my message to all Red Sox nation is DON’T by the ticket to the beloved Fenway Park until this ownership team puts a competitive team on the field. We have to hit them where it hurts they’re wallet to let them know we’ve had enough with they’re cheep ways!! I will not go until they show us the respect we deserve and I hope some will follow
spudchukar
I agree with this comment. However it probably won’t happen. But it would be great if fans actually stepped to the plate!
FenwayFanatic
I’m on board.
Millar101
I know it’ll hurt me a lot not to go but I’m done with this bs every one blamed Bloom but it’s the owners they have there hands in to many cookie jars and they think we will still go even if they put a last place team out there if they don’t sell tickets they don’t make money. They know we are one of if not the best fan bases in MLB so let’s strike! Spread the word!!!
Prophet of the SL
Not me….I’m looking forward to finishing the rebuild, and I want to see the kids come up and play. They will spend money in 2025 when Teel, Anthony, and Mayer are close to being contributing pre-arbitration players.
Millar101
lol chances are only one of them will be an impact all star caliber player my guess is Teel. Mayer couldn’t hit double a pitching last year all be it in a short window of play, Anthony has gotten to high a my man he’s got a long way to go I’m not saying that he’s not promising but they are all far from guarantees. like I said maybe one of the three and l’ll even say one is traded this offseason for a rental. I hope you’re right but I don’t see it panning out like you portray
Prophet of the SL
Mayer was hurt, and then shut down, tried to play through it.
Millar101
Nah sorry my man I saw plenty of games in Portland and he couldn’t hit the breaking balls please don’t get me wrong I hope and pray he’s the next Nomar for the city of Boston but he’s got a few years and a lot of work to do to become that. And I think just my opinion but you’ll see his first year struggle in the show kinda like Duran had he’s gotta adjust to that next level breaking pitches I’m all in on Teel he raked up here and I’m excited to see Anthony when he gets here but as for Mayer I’m not sold. Just relaying what I’ve seen with my own eyes bud
FenwayFanatic
The scout from Portland reporting on all things Sea Dogs
Prophet of the SL
I’m looking forward to seeing Portland play this year. It sounds like Mayer needed a full season in Portland to work on his hitting. I think this is why Anthony pushed ahead of him in the rankings.
FenwayFanatic
We keep having faith that they spend. What happens if they push it back another year. The Strike Has Begun!!!!!!
NESbaseballWASbetter
100% agreed Millard 101, it’s easy now when you don’t have options even for a jersey we lost interest on a team who don’t have identity.Ask anyone who’s their favorite Red Sox player ? Any ? Not even that we have, we use to be a franchise with Great History from Mr. TED WILLIAMS to Big Papi, now who? It’s not been at last place team is not having a player to cheer or follow and that’s unacceptable
Millar101
The ownership is killing the Red Sox brand that they worked so hard to build it makes no sense no one wants to come here to play because they’re cheep I mean they were talking 28 mill for two years on Hernandez and he got 22.5 for one or to work how many high profile executives turned down an offer to interview for Blooms job? It’s incredibly sad to see them lie to such a loyal fan base with this full throttle bs.
TrumboRedux
Halos or the Yanks couldn’t have used this guy??
prov356
He didn’t like Moreno’s standard pitcher offer of one year.
TrumboRedux
Touche Prov!
Poolhalljunkies
This guy reminds me of kei igawa
Liberalsteve
Cause he is asian,throws slow and lefty? Kinda r&cist
prov356
Good job Liberalsteve, keep the “find racism everywhere” tactic alive.
JoeBrady
I think he was being ironical.
prov356
I hope so Joe Brady!
desertbull
His FB is mid 90’s groomer
TrumboRedux
LOL!!!
FenwayFanatic
Who?
rememberthecoop
5 years, 100M (guessing)
Prophet of the SL
I’ll go four at 80…with a club option. E Rod’s numbers.
Jump 84
Its gonna happen.
Jump 84
Again.
jhomeslice
Obviously with way less money than Yamamoto, expectations will be much lower. Not trying to be cynical but what’s reasonable to expect, an ERA in the low 4’s with a good K rate? That’s not bad, solid but unspectacular. Maybe he can be a bit better than that, who knows.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
What are Chaim Breslow’s plans? I don’t think it’s Montgomery and I hope it’s not Snell.
teddyballgame
Thankfully it wasn’t Imanaga. He wouldn’t cut it.
Montgomery or nobody in my book. The price tag on trade targets is too high for guys who won’t commit to an extension.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I’d be okay with Montgomery, but please no Snell.
FenwayFanatic
Agreed. Keep Snell far away from here
Prophet of the SL
Paxton and Clevinger on one-year deals. Flip these guys at the deadline if they have value, and let Crawford and Winkowski finish the year as starters and 125 innings.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I actually don’t think that’s a bad idea
Prophet of the SL
I want the Red Sox to be disciplined in 2024; they are so close to turning the corner on cheap, pre-arbitration players that offset spending big, short money for impact-free agents.
swanhenge
Next year’s FA class is gonna be stacked. Save the Full Throttle for that.
JoeBrady
I’m not a fan either. I’d be really happy with Monty and Clevinger.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I doubt we get Monty. No one in our organization wants to pay top dollar
Prophet of the SL
Do you think the Red Sox won’t spend in 2025?
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I think Jihn Henry doesn’t want big contracts. It’s probably what got Bloom fired
teddyballgame
2025 might even be a year to early but if the farm can make strides and there are players worth signing to long term deals I think they’ll spend the money.
Prophet of the SL
I think the Sale and Price deals had that impact on Henry. It might explain why no one wanted this job. I hope they will operate like the Astros….develop players, use depth in the system to trade for what they need to make the playoffs, but never sell the farm big to win one year….sign long-term deals to your homegrown players, and overpay but short in years for impact free agents.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
That’s exactly what they are doing with a few exceptions to Story, Devers, and Yoshida.
Prophet of the SL
Story…they thought they got in below market…given what the big SS were getting. I’m thankful they didn’t commit to Boegarts…that would have been a disaster. Shoot, look at the regrets the Twins are having now. Story better hit this year…his defense was impressive in 2023..
teddyballgame
Definitely right on Story. Devers was an attempt to save face but he doesn’t have the glove to support the salary.
I have high hopes for the guys in AA this year.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I agree it was below market value for Story but a lot of Sox fans will disagree on that
Horace Fury
Two things: First, I see this analogy–Yamamoto is to Imanaga as Jose Abreu was to Rusney Castillo. In other words, I think the Sox dodged a bullet. (When the Sox fought to sign Abreu and couldn’t do it, they took their “Let’s get a Cuban ballplayer!” fervor to the signing of Castillo in a wild overpay.)
Second, I think Breslow quietly has so much faith in his new pitching brain trust with him, Bailey, and Willard at the top that he wants a shot at remaking a number of pitchers already on the roster and in the minors before having to spend large on FA pitching. A trade might still be alive for this offseason.
JoeBrady
“Let’s get a Cuban ballplayer!” fervor.
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I think Rusney was a legit player that the RS and Ben panicked on. It was an overpay, but he looked like a legit player to me. They should’ve given him more time, but didn’t want to pay the tax.
Past that, I think it is a perfect comparison. Imanaga has nowhere near Ohtani’s velocity. And his HR/9 is higher than the team average. It’s really tough for professionals to translate these things, let alone us commoners.
10centBeerNight
This should open the floodgates to the remaining top arms signing. I think.
Redwolves3
Zaidi couldn’t pull the trigger & seal the deal once again. Bridesmaids made again
Guess Zaidi had rather not focus on the 1st half of the 2024 & wait for Ray to return in August & hope Ray can deliver
Zaidi’s MO hasn’t changed
User 4223176798
I’m open minded to the Cubs overpaying for a #3. But Farhan still has not made this team one that will win more than 80 games.
Bryzzo2016
Yeah, how can you possibly be overpaying for a #3 starter at 15 mil a year? There are literally fringe starters making more than that.
revolver
15 million for a starter is not an overpay by any stretch in 2024
oldgfan
15 is fine, but until we know how many years it’s hard to say over pay or not.
Zaidi’s MO leads me to believe he bailed out at 5 years and the Cubs went to six. If that’s the case then it’s an over pay for Farhan for sure.
spudchukar
It is an okay transactión but probably not
a great addition. When the Wind is blowing out later in the season lookout.
YanksPhan42
A 170 lb lefty soft tosser in Wrigley’s band box doesn’t sound like a recipe for success.
Bryzzo2016
Check the actual numbers. Wrigley is not a “band box” the wind blows in a lot more than it blows out. The park actually plays well for pitchers.
fba0017
Craig Spendlow going full throttle I see! Lol
AL34
Going to be a long year with Chaim Spendlow Breslow up in Beantown
BabeRuthsPiano
Chaim 2.0
roiste
Should be obvious that the GM is not the issue in Boston at this point
Cam
I thought only the Dodgers could make moves – this report goes against most of the comments I’ve seen on here lately!
It turns out the Dodgers don’t have a monopoly on players.
Catuli Carl
FINALLY THANK YOU LORD
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
His K/BB ratio makes him look like more than just a 3/4 starter.
garyleet
Congrats to Tim and Anthony for their predictions on this signing!
jhanley108
Fukudome fever was fun for 5 minutes. We’ll see.
revolver
Dumb
spudchukar
For some reason I cannot comment on the Wander Franco articule. Is telling the truth baned here. Open your mind!
Cam
I doubt you have any truth to add to what is or isn’t out there currently.
User 4223176798
If the deal is over $20 million a year for 4 years then the Cubs got fleeced and I’m glad the Giants said Sayonara. He profiles as a #3 at best, most likely a #4 starter. Giants need a legit pitcher – Snell. And they need relief help. Hader. And they need bats – real bats. Trade the rookies or play em.
DroppedThirdStrike
At $15 mil/year to help stabilize the rotation, still give the kids a chance to develop, and keep payroll where it needs to be for next years FA class, he would’ve been a perfect signing.
He’s a good fit for the stadium too, fly ball/strikeout pitcher in a big park with a good defense.
This was a huge miss for Farhan
desertbull
$15M per year seems like a good deal for the Cubs. Still need bullpen and 1B/3B
TrumboRedux
“A good deal is one in which both parties THINK they are getting a good deal.”
-Trumbo
Murphy NFLD
I wouldnt go higher the 6 years and 15 per. I still think thats crazy for unproven mlb talent. But even if hes a 4 starter thats fair value and at 15 he doesnt cripple them
Murphy NFLD
He also seems to only have 2 real pitches. So worst case with thats crazy K-BB ratios he could be a good pen piece
revolver
Yamamoto is unproven major league talent.
DroppedThirdStrike
That’s not entirely accurate. He has an extensive body of work and scouting is far advanced from when players came over and everyone had to wait and see. Japanese and Korean pitchers are extremely projectable
aragon
The Angels were in on him? LMAO!
BabeRuthsPiano
Hopefully he can keep a Era South of 4.5 but we shall see
Devlsh
The scouts don’t seem that high on him. Probably ends up somewhere between Smyly and Stroman in terms of talent.
bjhaas1977
WTH Uncle Stevie ?
Bruce wulff
It should be no surprise with thes do nothing till now cubs because the cubs convention is this weeken and so their fans were getting restless for action.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Fans go woo! Cubbies woo!
Jean Matrac
Good for the Cubs. As a Giants’ fan I’m kind of bummed. I think he’s going to be better than the 3-4 guy predicted by many. A lot of people make a big deal over the HRs, but that’s one stat out of context. If that relatively high HRs allowed went with a high ERA that would be another thing. As another poster pointed out, how and when a pitcher gives up HRs is important. I rather a pitcher with a lead pound the strike zone and give up a HR than give out free passes. And at a $15M AAV he seems like a bargain, given the cost of FA SPs these days.
drasco036
Agreed, I was saying 20+ million was too rich for my blood, risk not worth the reward but around a 15 million AAV? Well worth the risk. If he turns into a plus three then that’s awesome for the Cubs, if he’s a four, it seems like a fair price. Given the amount of young pitching the Cubs have, it’s an acceptable risk.
Catuli Carl
Lol 90% negative comments in here. Which seems anomalous for most signings. Jealousy?
lowtalker1
When the wind is blowing out, there goes another drive, deep to left center, and it’s gone
desertbull
Ok….. but enough about Lance Lynn
fenwayfrank
Another swing & miss by the Redsox and Breslow. Smfh.
filihok
MLBTR
When the time comes, start the revolution
Report the contract as the PV and the terms and AAV
That’s what fans need to know
For example: $65 million PV, 5/$15 AAV
Clean, easy, informative
Salzilla
Glad this dude is getting signed. Really curious to see how he does, I think better than will be expected. He’s on my early fantasy radar.
AirY0rdan
As I said when it was rumoredd when Giants were “favorites” for him I said Zaidy gonna mess up again and yall didnt believe me, look who’s wrong now
This one belongs to the Reds
Doesn’t look like the big money everyone was predicting.
soxshortstop
John Henry can’t believe he wouldn’t take 15M YEN per year. They are still in shock! Cheap!!! Cheap!!! CHEAP! “FULL THROTTLE” Looking for DIV III Free agents to sign or from the Company softball //whiffle ball league! Any of you guys on the MLBTR message board interested in playing for the BOSOX in 2024?
rivera42
Kei Igawa 2.0? For the Cubs sake, I hope not. 15 million isn’t egregious.
CaseyAbell
$15 million AAV? Does not like sound like that $100 million-plus contract we heard about. The bidding war may not have driven the price to ridiculous heights.
But who knows? I guess we’ll get all the financials soon enough. Good pickup for the Cubs, though Imanaga will have to learn how to finesse MLB hitters. He’s not gonna blow people away with the fastball.
drasco036
Six years “around 15 million AAV” would be right around 100 million.
CaseyAbell
Um, $15 million for six years is $90 million. Which is significantly less than the $100 million-plus contract MLBTR and other people were talking about. We’ll see, but teams might have been worried about Imanaga’s less than overwhelming fastball and home run tendencies.
Let’s just wait to see all the financials.
drasco036
It’s “around 15 million” not 15 million. Maybe the Cubs offered 7/105, maybe they offered 6/95 or so, it’s all “around 15 million”
CaseyAbell
Seven years? That would take him to age 37, which would be a major surprise. He’s a finesse pitcher already with an average fastball at best. Not the guy you bet on until his late 30s.
But we’ll see when all the financials come out.
drasco036
WBC
Fastball 94.4 average mph 96.2 max
Splitter 84
Slider 82
Curveball 73
Elite 20.5 IVB which is ELITE on his 94 mph fastball “average”
Do some research before posting
CaseyAbell
See my comment below. Bowden just posted that the contract could max out at $80 million, with all sorts of complications: opt outs, player/team options, incentives. So it looks like the $100 million plus talk was way overblown. Again, a mediocre fastball and home run tendencies might have scared off a lot of clubs and resulted in less overall dollars.
drasco036
Yeah all those lefties with a 20.5 inch break on their four seam fastball chucking in the mid 90s.
CaseyAbell
Are you Imanaga’s agent? Just kidding (I think). Anyway, Bowden’s numbers are in line with the the $15 million AAV that Morosi reported. The $80 million cap also sounds reasonable because it would take Imanaga to his age 36 year, which is probably all the Cubs wanted to stretch things to.
Anyway, it sounds well short of the $100 million plus we heard about. But even an $80 million cap will mean a substantial posting fee to Japan. As I posted below, I’m not sure how they will calcluate the fee with all the complications in the contract. But it will be a substantial number.
Dumpster Divin Theo
No let’s speculate
TrumboRedux
BREAKING: “Contract financials are not known yet”
jhomeslice
A good signing but does not exactly replace either Stroman or Bellinger adequately. But it is finally a start.
Guayacon
As a giants fan Farhan needs to go is the same song and dance every year and always do the same thing honestly he lies to the fan and al he does is go dumpster diving,this team doesn’t have any power hitter or a true no 3or 4 pitcher.please sign bellinger soler or Martinez as the dh and sign snell or Montgomery now that imagination signed for 15 mil per year but the reality is he won’t sign none because he is cheap and a liar fire Farhan asap
TrumboRedux
Be patient with Farhan, he is a delicate soul.
BaseballisLife
Hearing its over $100 million, so at a $15 million AAV that means at least 7 years.
Bryzzo2016
No chance it’s a 7 year deal. I’m betting it’s actually a 4-5 year deal. Perhaps a similar deal that Senga got last year from the Mets.
BaseballisLife
Wow was I wrong. 2 years guaranteed with opt outs, player and team options, and incentives.
1984wasntamanual
As per usual.
Old York
Now go sign his pitching teammate from the Bay Stars. First name starts with a T and last name starts with a B.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Tanner Banks?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Toby Baguire?
Bryzzo2016
Love this if it’s indeed at 15 AAV. Dominated at the WBC. 174 Ks(which led the NPB and only 24 walks w/ 2.80 ERA, had a 2.26 ERA the year before. Probably 4/60 which is a steal and well below his projected contract for a solid #3 starter, I’ll definitely take that.
Well done Cubs, now keep going. Plenty left to spend.
ohyeadam
NPB will be closer to A ball than AAA pretty soon if they keep posting all their star players
Guayacon
Breaking news giants to sign John d aquisto and John montefusco for a 12 pack of crazy horse Farhan is still thinking if he goes for it or not
PutPeteinthehall
Farhan can’t count that high. That’s what Montefusco is for.
CaseyAbell
Bowden just posted this…
According to club source #Cubs deal with Imanaga is something close to 2 yrs 30 can grow to 4 yrs 60 and can even reach 80 m with multiple opt outs …deal is Very Complicated. Player/Team Options/Escalators…etc but thats the general ball park agreement.
Sounds complicated and looks like the Cubs are hedging their bets.
CaseyAbell
If the deal really is this complicated, how will they calculate the posting fee to Japan? I guess they’ll have to come up with some kind of guaranteed number and base the posting fee on it.
NewYorkSoxFan
Might be a good of dodging that posting fee, interested to see how this all shakes out.
mad1
Dodgers having urias criminal charges deferred until 2040
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
That’s amazing news! Trade rumors also reported it, though. He should be another buy low ace out there.
LambchoP
Wow, now my twins really are the only team left that hasn’t done a damn thing yet:(
DanUgglasRing
He must have gotten pretty expensive for the Giants to back out but I’m still disappointed.
foppert2
Yeah. Same. Although I wasn’t confidant after watching the Ray zoom call. I’m guessing too many years.
oldgfan
On to the next one.
Chin up guys it’s not over until opening day. For a chuckle just imagine Imagawa trying to pronounce Wrigley Field.
oldgfan
Meanwhile I’ll butcher the spelling on his last name.
williemaysfield
They could have offered more than this deal. Surprised they didn’t. Maybe he wanted to be a cub or the Giants didn’t have him rated that high. Giants still need a starter and a veteran reliever.
Dont see going into the season with this as your staff
1. Logan Webb
2. Ross Stripling
3. Kyle Harrison
4. Keaton Winn*
5. Tristan Beck*
Bullpen
6. Camilo Doval
7. Tyler Rogers
8. Taylor Rogers
9. Luke Jackson
10. Ryan Walker
11. Sean Hjelle
12. Erik Miller
13. Devin Sweet
That’s rough
Dumpster Divin Theo
So you’re saying there’s a shota
Dumpster Divin Theo
Shota in the dark. You give love, a bad name
LetTheGoodTimesROFL
Um, ok. Cool story bro.
Joel P
Wow only guaranteed 30 million. Gotta like that good move for the Cubs. Still not sure this guy is legit but that’s a smart gamble I think.
jhomeslice
That shows that teams don’t think super highly of him if that’s the best he could get. A good gamble for that money, but probably does not even replace Stroman adequately. They definitely need to do more, another pitcher and/or Bellinger. Even with Counsell this team is worse than in 2023, not better. Several guys left to sign though.
kenly0
2/30?
THEY LIVE!!!
Well, I’ve got 3 FA signings right now.
Tko87
What is this contract? Unless he wanted a shorter deal than people thought to re enter FA in a few years, this seems VERY cheap considering its only 15m per year. Redsox are that cheap right now I guess?
Goku the Knowledgable One
ima what????
padam
Mets couldn’t pull this one off? Manaea was their answer…?
TrumboRedux
I thought Manea was DFA’d? Wasn’t he sent down to rookie ball??
Rynoshield
No your thinking of Manoah from the blue jays. Manea was with giants and before that he was pretty good starter with the A’s. I’m only just now realizing how alike those names are
TrumboRedux
Ryno, thanks buddy I was pretty mixed up hah
Aaron Sapoznik
One need solved with a high OPS lefty bat (CF/1B Cody Bellinger!), a 3B (Matt Chapman?) and 2 impact relievers including a southpaw (Josh (Hader?) to go. This greedy fan is also hoping for one more SP who misses bats (Dylan Cease!).
The Cubs have the financial resources for all these free agents along with the controllable young MLB ready players and/or near ready top prospects to satisfy the White Sox in a Cease trade. ⚾️
holycow16
Beautiful plan!!
The Cubs never “Cease” to amaze me!!!
Go Cubs Go!!
1984wasntamanual
This is why it’s good that fans don’t run teams
holycow16
I wonder who Jed and Tom cheer on all season… hmmmmm.
padam
It’s not that the GMs are doing any better.
deGrom/Langford Texas Ranger
15 MM per year for just 2 years sounds like a steal, especially when a number 5 starter in Kyle Gibson gets 13 million for 1 year, and Montas gets 16 MM, with Severino at 13 MM as well. That K/BB ratio will carry over really well, I suppose.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Sox could have easily given 15 million for two years. What’s going on? I wonder if there is something we don’t know.
This one belongs to the Reds
So could the Reds, for that matter. But I would prefer a proven, top of the line, ace to lead those kids.
Moneyballer
You didn’t read it. It’s more than a 2 year 30 mil contract, there are incentives and vesting options that could push the deal to 80 million. Cubs can just cut bait after 2 years if he underwhelms.
Poolhalljunkies
Yes 30 million if hes trash up to 80 mil or more if hes what people want or expect..and likly has an opt out for more if he is good
JoeBrady
Sox could have easily given 15 million for two years.
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So could 90% of the league.
Maybe the GMs know something that the fans don’t?
Moneyballer
This is a case of everyone being wrong on his market value. Unless he took a discount to join the cubs, not bloody likely, his market just did not materialize the way we were told it would. Let’s hope he can far outpitch his contract the way Senga did with the Mets. GCG.
This one belongs to the Reds
I think with the exception of the Dodgers making the value ridiculous for Yamamoto, that will be the case for all these Asian players who haven’t done a thing in MLB.
Huck 3
And that explains why he waited so long. Him and his agent kept believing the inflated estimates of his market, and maybe that was even them trying to raise the bar over what teams felt he was worth. So they kept waiting for that stratosphere offer. And it never came.
Moneyballer
Correct! He had a deadline and played the market right to it!
drasco036
I cannot see any scenario where Imanaga could only secure a 2/30 guarantee as his best offer.
I wasn’t super high on Imanaga on a 5/100 like was being floated around simply because I think signing any foreign league player comes with a huge risk of the unknown and paying market value for an unknown doesn’t appeal that much to me. But 2/30 for a lefty with an elite fastball coming out of a rare arm slot and also has a ridiculous “mystery pitch” is beyond worth the risk and borderlines on a steal given the free agent prices.
Kudus to the Cubs front office team, I don’t know what kind of witch craft they used to get this deal done but this is EXACTLY what the Cubs need (a high upside pitcher that can miss bats) at exactly the price point they should be at for the risk.
bravesfan
Good to see the cubs move a little … lord.
LetTheGoodTimesROFL
It looks like waiting paid off. Sorry if you were inconvenienced having to wait.
StusFirstDollar
Stop locking comments on controversial topics
filihok
SFD
“Stop locking comments on controversial topics”
Nah. MLBTR commenters have shown they can’t handle it
Too many idiots
warnbeeb
5’10’ starting pitcher with 8 years of wear and tear on his arm who’ve never had TJ surgery coming over to the National League where on a $90 million contract?
Over/Under 2 years before he tears that UCL? I say under.
Canuckleball
It’s a $30 million contract not 90 and even with escalators and such, it only maxes out at 80, and one imagines if the escalators are met, it means he has pitched well for them and might well be worth the extra money.
And TJ is a crap shoot. It happens when it happens and it can happen to any pitcher at any time, no matter the size.
I think the contract is solid and sensible. Gives the player room to get more if he earns it, room for the Cubs to cut bait without too much financial pain if it doesn’t work out.
Chi Guy
Good thing it is only a 2 year deal then.
Poopscab13
Nice get, good K/BB ratio with strikeout upside. Not too expensive either
Squeeze32
How much of his guarantee will go to Roger Breshans for teaching him the football slider on twitter in may 2018? That’s the real question.
Yanksfan75
According to local Chicago radio am 670 the score Shota has been in Chicago “for some time” sounds to me he really wanted to be a Chicago Cub . It’s kind of cool to see a free agent not sign biggest payday offered but to sign where he wanted… Don’t get me wrong he still making shitload of money…. Now Cubs resign Bellinger I think the Cubs going to be pretty tough this year. Happy for Cubs fan should be a fun fan convention this weekend.
cubfanforever
I’m thinking Suzuki had a lot of influence on him coming to the Cubs.
Baseball Purist
Yeah, I was thinking the same.
petefrompp
Given the dollars I believe this is true – he probably left money on the table in order to sign with the cubs
D-Nice
15 per is outstanding considering my Tigers gave Flaherty 14. Not to even mention some of these other AAV’s for guys who either didn’t pitch last season or had an ERA of 4.50 or above.
Chi Guy
Whats next?
Jimbo_Jones
What a gift! This is great for the cubs…really no downside. More pitching contracts should be structured this way with a combination of Yamamoto’s contract. Performances loaded deals with injury exits
Mickey Solis
I’m guessing he went to the Dodgers as soon as the Cubs made their offer to see if the Moneybags would top it but they said “nah, we’re finally full.” And thus another team was allowed to sign a free agent this offseason! All window dressing anyway so the Cubs (or anyone else who makes a signing at this point) can be runner-up to the Dodgers.
holycow16
The Dodgers are regular season champs…
MadSkillsUniversity
Wow, this was a solid, low-cost signing, leaving money for future signings. The market is slow, so the Cubs still have ample time to fill a few more holes. Great job!
bjhaas1977
Why is this guy not a Met?
swanhenge
Yeah, there’s a handful of fanbases asking the same question
Bryzzo2016
Several reports said he turned down bigger offers to play for the Cubs. So it’s quite possible the GM of your team DID make a competitive offer. Sometimes players put their team preference over dollars, not often… but sometimes.
bruinlife33
Four year deal for the new Cubs. If he signed with the Dodgers, contract would have been spread out over 27 years
filihok
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“If he signed with the Dodgers, contract would have been spread out over 27 years”
And still have the same present value
Americanentropy
A news item reported that the CA State Controller chimed in about these deferrals, particularly Ohtani. Expressing concern theoretically Ohtani could move out of state later during the contract and thereby avoid paying taxes on the bulk of money paid out depriving CA. Not sure too many folks out there give a da mn about CA, but thought this could fuel their animosity.
williemaysfield
At a 13% tax rate who could blame him.
Yankee Clipper
Could be a really good deal. Could also be an incredibly long four years if he’s not good. Time will tell, but I wish him the best of luck, except when they play the Yankees of course.
drasco036
If Imanaga cannot hack it as a starter the Cubs simply will transition him to the pen. A lefty hitting mid 90s with two plus pitches profiles extremely well as a reliever.
Yankee Clipper
I thought he was hitting about 91? Did I misread that? But, they could transition him either way, it’s just a lot to pay a reliever, especially when they seem reluctant to spend at times.
Hopefully you won’t have to cross that bridge at all though.
Bryzzo2016
Actually, the Cubs can get out after 2 years if for some reason this guy totally wets himself.
DeferredFan
No, he can opt-out if they decline his fifth year, but he’s locked into 4 guaranteed.
drasco036
He works around 92, dials it up to 95-96 in short outings. WBC his average was 94.5 with max effort of 96.4 with a 20.5 vertical run which is elite.
Yankee Clipper
Oh, man. Yeah, I read that he can go that high in short stints, but that’s kind of ambiguous. I didn’t realize that was his average in the WBC though, unless I missed that in the article.
I also read an interesting stat on him: that a majority of his HRs in the NPB were on his FB, but it was also during FB counts. I’m sure MLB will change his pitch mix to mitigate that. I did also read that his stuff is elite, as you detailed.
This could end up being one of the best pitching deals of the offseason.
drasco036
It will be interesting that is for sure. I do think his floor is likely a very good reliever. He has an interesting arm slot, solid velocity and obvious swing and miss stuff.
Obviously, Cubs are not looking at him as a reliever but it’s never a bad idea to have a fall back option.
The Cubs also have had a ton of success with Justin Steele, a guy who has a similar riding four seam fastball everyone thought was “average” but no one can seem to hit.
joepanikatthedisco
Javier Assad has a better career ERA+ than Roger Clemens
Big whiffa
So 30 mil guaranteed? League went broke or scared when tv deals went bk
baseballteam
Can Imanaga hit? 🙂
Americanentropy
Sign Puig!
DeferredFan
The Rays signed him to minor league deal.
Americanentropy
Well damn, There goes Cubs’ shot at glory.
cash3w
Doesn’t seem like that crazy of a deal, given this year’s signings. I apologize if this was already discussed, but the article mentions he was the “second-best level in the world.” Does this mean the second-best from a Japanese league player signing this offseason, or a legit #2 starter?
filihok
cash
The NPB is the second best league
Better than AAA
Better than Cuba
Better than KBO
Etc..
cash3w
Thanks
jhomeslice
These media reports this winter have been all over the place in terms of reliability. 4 years for 13+ per year seems more reasonable, 30 for 2 years would have been surprisingly low. Suffice it to say the Cubs should not be done if they want to be better than they were in 2023.
FullMontilla
Giants will now pivot to being Snell’s patsy
smkelly1970
another signing that makes the Red Sox inking Giolito look awful.
ForeverGiantsFan
That’s a nice signing for the Cubs.
AllinTX
Dodgers needed him!!!!!!!!! Now we have to get Snell and Bellinger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
drasco036
Im patiently waiting for the Giants to say they made a similar offer since that’s what they do.
brood550
I’m surprised that they got that good of a deal. However, based on scouting reports this appears to be a mid-rotation signing. I’m not sure what his upside is but at 30 and another soft/mid thrower this doesn’t feel like the big signing that they need for the rotation. However it looks to be a solid upgrade over what they have available.
Signing itself 10/10
Impact 6.5/10
Aaron Sapoznik
It’s now official, just ahead of this weekends Cubs Con and Chicago blizzard! ⚾️
LordD99
“If the club declines the option at either point, Imanaga would have the ability to opt out and become a free agent.”
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Opt out when? At the point if they decline at the end of the ‘25 or ‘26 seasons, or at the end of ‘27 season regardless of when they decline.
JoeBrady
That was either poorly worded, or we don’t know enough about the contract.
In most contracts, if the team declines an option, then there is nothing to opt out of. The only way that terminology works is if the Cubs have a 2-year option for $30M for example, and if they decline, it reverts to a one-year deal for $13M, with an option for Imanaga to decline.
PKVA
Farhan let this one get away for not not that much money overall…not that I was doing backflips over Imanaga but also worried the overspend is now coming with Snell. I’d rather see what we can land for an arm via trade, but Bellinger is the white whale this off-season.
baseballguru
OK so The Boston Redsox can’t top 2 years 18.5 aav for Marcus Stroman at 32yrs old?!!! Or a 13.25 aav for years on Imanaga?? Tell me they’re going to F – Up their great position by trading Mayer, Anthony or God forbid Teel for a rental (Burns or Cease)?? Don’t! Go for it if it’s without those 3 but I don’t not for a rental. Get an Ace or 2 in 2024 along with Soto at this point…Montgomery is not a #1 or #2 nor is Snell really…at this point don’t do some BS 6 ot 7 year Boras fantasy deal on those 2…just trade Yoshida and Jansen and reset for the go for it in 2025…Redsox Nation will see you back at Fenway and in the ticket isles, at the merchandise stores and online streaming subscriptions then…but right now…Redsox Nation isn’t going to tune in in 2024…how dumb do you billionaires think we are? We’re not “full throttle ” dumb …chow for now…RSN!
TJW
Welp, Mozeliak signed a couple of 55-year-old, 5.78 ERA pitchers for my Cardinals! We Are soooooo optimistic about improving on our 71 win season of 2023!