Trade chatter on White Sox ace Dylan Cease has died down over the past month amid reports that first-year general manager Chris Getz has set an extremely high asking price and has shown no willingness to back down, even as the season draws nearer. Getz himself threw more cold water on the possibility of trading Cease today, plainly telling the Sox beat: “I expect [Cease] to be our Opening Day starter” (X link via Chuck Garfien of NBC Sports Chicago).
Like the majority of baseball executives, Getz didn’t speak in absolutes. There’s always the chance of a late offer that’s simply too good to turn down — particularly if a contending team loses a starting pitcher to a long-term injury this spring and feels emboldened to make a trade that was previously deemed too costly.
That said, Getz also didn’t need to go out of his way to frame it as likely that Cease would be on the Opening Day roster, either. Choosing to voice that is a firmer stance than speaking in generalities about remaining open-minded and considering all avenues. That’s the route Getz took just one month ago, publicly stating that a Cease trade could potentially come in the offseason, at the deadline or even at an atypical time like May or June, if the right offer presented itself then.
Entering the offseason, Cease stood out as one of the likeliest trade candidates on the market. The White Sox fired longtime GM Rick Hahn and executive vice president Kenny Williams last summer, promoting Getz from assistant GM. He began the offseason making clear that the Sox would be open for business, even going so far as to candidly state, “I don’t like our team.” The South Siders have indeed proven active, trading relievers Aaron Bummer and Gregory Santos, acquiring young outfielder Dominic Fletcher and swinging a trade for veteran catcher Max Stassi.
Many of the Sox’ dealings have focused on improving the defense; Getz said in today’s media session that early talks with free agent pitchers this winter showed a reluctance to sign in Chicago because of the team’s poor glovework (X link via CHGO’s Vinnie Duber). Recognizing that limitation, Getz acquired Nicky Lopez and glove-first infield prospect Braden Shewmake (in the Bummer deal), signed Paul DeJong, and landed a pair of catchers with good defensive reputations (Stassi and free agent Martin Maldonado). Fletcher, acquired from the D-backs in exchange for pitching prospect Christian Mena, is regarded as a plus defender at all three outfield spots.
Amid all that roster shuffling, there was a general expectation that Cease would eventually be moved. That no longer seems nearly so certain. There’s clear risk in hanging onto the 28-year-old righty. A spring or early-season injury could prove catastrophic for the Sox, tanking the value of their clear best trade chip. At the same time, trading Cease this summer won’t necessarily reduce the asking price, particularly if teams simply weren’t putting forth compelling packages for him this winter.
Cease is coming off a pedestrian 4.58 ERA, but he’s only one season removed from a runner-up showing on the AL Cy Young ballot, when he pitched 184 innings of 2.20 ERA ball. His strikeout rate and velocity both dipped a bit in ’23 from their ’22 levels, and he gave up more hard contact than usual. The extent to which those red flags combined to impact offers for him can’t be known, but if Cease can come out looking like the 2022 version of himself, it’s conceivable he could even command more near the deadline — particularly since the supply of starting pitching will be much smaller than in the offseason, when there’s a wide bank of free agents to consider.
Cease is controllable through the 2025 season via arbitration. He and the White Sox agreed to a one-year, $8MM deal earlier this winter, avoiding an arb hearing in the process. The right-hander leads all of Major League Baseball with 109 starts dating back to the 2020 season. In that time, Cease sports a 3.58 ERA with a 28.5% strikeout rate, 10.4% walk rate, 36.5% ground-ball rate and 1.03 HR/9.
This means they’re finally trading him lol. Honestly, I’m good with them holding on now and seeing how the season starts, and how HE starts.
Getz isn’t getting the deals he wants. Best thing to hope for is that Cease has a great first half so he can bring up his value at the trade deadline.
I still think Cubs are the team. Go get Cease and Robert and tell Boras to get lost with Bellinger.
As a fan of both Chicago baseball teams I’d be more than happy with a blockbuster of that magnitude that keeps both Dylan Cease and Luis Robert Jr. in town. Of course, the Cubs would have to offer the White Sox an astronomical return that starts with top prospect SP Cade Horton and CF Pete Crow-Armstrong just to get Chris Getz’ attention.
Based on what they’ve been asking for Cease alone, if the Cubs wanted Cease and Robert, they’d probably have to hand over the keys to their double and triple A facilities and all players within…
I have provided a trade proposal using the trade simulator
Cease
Robert
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Armstrong
Horton
Cassie
Wicks
Rojas
Cade Horton is already a more valuable piece than Cease. The Cubs would have to be idiots to trade Horton even up for Cease.
Granted, but Robert would possibly cost double what Cease would. And possibly more, knowing that the Sox want the world usually. I can’t believe what they got for Eaton and even Bummer. Soroka and (I think) Shuster, could very well end up getting back to how they started before getting hurt. And they got a couple more besides them two….for a loogy basically.
Toussaint was another.
Might not have to give up as much if you replace Robert with Jimenez.
Robert is too much of a risk to send a massive package of prospects for and Cease isn’t a need for Chicago. I’d seriously doubt any deal would get done.
I think there is about zero chance the cubs would trade for cease, definitely not at his current asking price.
Hahaha… Horton is 21 and has never pitched an inning in the majors.
The last thing true Sox fans want to see is Cease in a pair of cubbie pajamas. I’d rather see him with the O’s, Cardinals or Braves and maybe win himself a ring
What’s your point? Yamamoto got 300+ million and have never pitched an inning in the majors.
Yamamoto is 25 and has several years of experience in Japan’s highest league.
Next?
Next? That’s worse than saying 2.0
Where do some of u get this nonsense from. How? He hasn’t done a thing In the majors.
Why do you guys always feel like you have to turn everything into an argument, and then prove that you are always the smartest person in the room?
It’s just baseball.
Now we know why the best free agent pitchers didn’t sign with the White Sox. It was the defense! I knew it wasn’t Reinsdorf being cheap.
across: For all of Getz’ grandstanding, he’s not going to get the value he should by trading Cease. Probably a couple of draft picks and a 38 year old prospect. He doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing.
They held Quintana until midseason and did ok. There’s even a stronger reason to hold at the moment compared to when they were looking to move Quintana as Snell and Montgomery are still out there. Trading him now or in July likely doesn’t impact the package on the downside, but it could potentially increase the return on the upside. Probably even likely as teams in contention will potentially pay a premium. He just needs to stay healthy between now and July.
“Trading him now or in July likely doesn’t impact the package on the downside”
Unless Cease has another middle/back of the rotation performance like the majority of his seasons, or suffers an injury, in which case his value plummets.
Both scenarios are entirely plausible.
Ceases value wouldn’t plummet but he would be worth less then if that’s the case. He of course could be really good and in ther case his value would go up.
Theoretically a trade now makes more sense.
The inability of the people that post here to account for actual negative scenarios will never cease to amaze me. As you mentioned, there are very real scenarios where his value takes a hit, pitcher’s arms are scary.
That would be valid if not for the fact that Cease has had tremendous health since having Tommy John really young back in 2014. In the three seasons he’s spent at the major league level for the full year, he’s made every start.
At some point, it’s less of a “what happens if he gets hurt” and more overstating his injury risk to try and devalue him. The odds he gets hurt are a lot worse than almost every other MLB player, because he doesn’t have a history of injury concerns.
The likelihood of the two scenarios is not equal.
2024 AL Central champion Chicago White Sox.
Miracles do happen
It happened once in 2005. The year that everything went right for the Sox. Career years for everyone. That was fun.
I’m worried the pitching staff might be too good and we end up not trading Cease because of it. Division is trash, and with Cease the White Sox probably have the best rotation 1 – 5.
Cool, so the Sox can be laughed out of the playoffs again… But hey, it makes the Sox more attractive to get someone else’s money to build ‘The Chairman’s’ new stadium.
Pecota gives the Sox a 0.0 percent chance. “So you’re telling me there’s a chance. I read ya.”
The Pirates could get this deal done with their farm system they have and immediately be able to compete for their division.
Cease, Keller, Perez, Gonzalez, Ortiz/Priester (whoever has better spring) and then Skenes takes over for whoever falls behind if he dominates.
The pen is very solid and the hitters have enough pop there with some speed to win some small ball games.
MacB
Zips projected the Pirates for 75 wins
The Cardinals were first in the NL Central with 83 wins.
Suppose Cease gives the Pirates 5 more wins (thats stretching it, but ok). That takes them to 80 wins.
Gives them a reasonable shot to win the division.
I think Cease is closer to providing a 5-7 WAR on the Pirates vs. a projected 3 WAR on the Sox. PNC Park is fairly pitcher friendly specifically for the long ball falling below league average in home runs allowed every year since it has opened, and usually well below.
Priester was sitting at -0.9 WAR last year. Easily an upgrade that could put them over the edge to solidify them contending from the get.
MacB
WAR specifically adjusts for stadium, so that shouldn’t, make a difference. Players shouldn’t get better or,worse because they are in an easier or harder park.
@Macbeth
Based on Fangraphs WAR projections, Cease is providing 3.1 WAR, so if we removed their worst starter for WAR (Luis L. Ortiz – 0.7) and replaced him with Cease, the Pirates win total goes from 75 to 77.. Not the big game changer. That would bump their SP WAR to 9.6, which is just shy of the Cardinals rotation WAR of 10.6. The problem for the Bucs isn’t so much the pitching as it is the offense.
If the price was reasonable, sure. But the White Sox were suposedly asking the Cincinnati Reds for Rhett Lowder, Edwin Arroyo, and Connor Phillips, three guys who are top 100 prospects on MLB Pipeline and two of which are on Baseball America’s top 100. If that’s still the kind of price tag they’re putting on Cease and aren’t willing to negotiate much lower, I’d rather see the Pirates hold on to what they have.
Yes, theoretically, the analytics show just a mild bump in wins for the Pirates by acquiring a Cease, … but then the games are played and the season happens. What WAR stat(s) out there showed the Orioles improving from a couple games above 500 in 2022 to 101 wins in 2023?
CYJ
“What WAR stat(s)”
A senseless grouping of words that shows a complete non-understanding of the topic.
WAR is a mathematical model of player value.
Your question is kind of like asking “What batting average stat(s) out there showed the Orioles improving from a couple games above 500 in 2022 to 101 wins in 2023?”
That makes no sense.
You doubt WAR, projections, etc because you don’t understand the slightest thing about them
Geez filihok, don’t sugar coat it. It’s not that I don’t value them young fella, it’s that I don’t overvalue them.
Try not to be so harsh, filihok. WAR is one of those statistics in the statistic-driven world of MLB that the average fan cannot compute for himself. It’s also not clear just which if these refined statistical measure is more important than others. So the fan is left with an expanding set of bewildering statistics that provides more confusion than clarity.
CYJ
You don’t understand the slightest thing about them.
rs
“It’s also not clear just which if these refined statistical measure is more important than others”
In most cases, it’s very clear. Why do you think that?
Orioles are a kind of poor example for using addiction of WAR. They had a rookie contribute alit whose WAR was an unknown. Adley mature has a hitter opposed to a sophomore slump. And the biggest factor, the less division heavy schedules was a huge boon for AL East teams.
By and large the WAR I’d no certainty. It does however give a reasonable measure to estimate impact of an addition opposed to glancing at traditional stats and guessing. With WAR you have an estimate of what overall value that player provided opposed to his peers at the position.
The key thing here for the WAR naysayers, u can question how each value is derived. But this equation and its variables apply to all. So within those parameters the player with the higher # had more value.
As someone who used to dance this dance, a little advice: Be happy in your knowledge. Use it to your advantage. But, don’t waste your time trying to lop off these hydra heads. They just keep coming.
@thanks for the positive advice.
I try and dismiss it usually. I like Filihok’s insight tho even on rare occasions I don’t agree. So my comment was more in support of him.
For all the people leaning to the Joel side of the spectrum, I appreciate and want to support those on the opposite side. The ones here to talk baseball and not ridicule others.
But since the topic was brought up I’m curious if looking back at a player(s) WAR prior to moving how it and the subsequent moves added to new team. I have a feeling it won’t quantify the same, I’d assume if u add WAR at multiple positions it would start leading to exponential growth due to strengthening multiple positions starts expanding to strength across the diamond or throughout lineup with the protection.
Gentlemen. Appreciate the back and forth.
Bringing in a Cease should of course add quantitative value to a team. What’s difficult to measure is the qualitative value he’d might possibly bring to a club. Rutschman shows up in Baltimore and since then the Os are winning. Why? He’s a leader that inspires others to perform well. The only other time I SAW this in Baltimore was when the Birds got Frank Robinson from the Reds. True, an amazing talent on the field but he also changed the culture in the locker room with all that kangaroo court folly.
Tigers
“I’m curious if looking back at a player(s) WAR prior to moving how it and the subsequent moves added to new team. I have a feeling it won’t quantify the same, I’d assume if u add WAR at multiple positions it would start leading to exponential growth due to strengthening multiple positions starts expanding to strength across the diamond or throughout lineup with the protection.”
I would like to answer your question, but I have no idea what it is
Easier way of explaining I guess. Take Tigers for example they ve added Cahna, Flaherty, and Maeda pretty much. So 4.1 WAR based off last yr.
Now say we were looking back after 2024 season. How close would those additions be to 82 wins(78 2023+ 4.1 added WAR).
Just curious how accurate of an assessment it would be going back looking at teams and additions prior to seasons.
I’m just not curious enough to look it all up as of now
They d actually be negative net WAR though. With loses of ERod and Lorenzen. But I was just using that as a hypothetical example.
Tigers
OK. I get it
First. That’s totally the wrong way to look at it.
First, WAR tells you what happened over a specific time frame.
So, assuming you’re correct, Canha, Maeda and Flaherty produced 4.1 WARin 2023. That doesn’t mean they will do the same in 2024.
In addition, the 2023 Tigers won 78 games. That doesn’t mean you start at 78 wins for 2024. There are different players and the returning players will play differently than in 2023.
You can’t say what you are trying to say.
What you can say is that if the Tigers had had Player B (5 WAR) instead of Player A (2 WAR) in 2023,they would have been expected to win 3 more games.
Or, you can say that if Player A was expected to provide 3 WAR and they were replaced by player B who was expected to produce 1 WAR, that the team would be expected to win two fewer games.
But 2023 and 2024 are different seasons and different teams and have to be treated as such.
Yeah I’m guessing it would be way off and know that’s its not the purpose of WAR as its made for individual value. Plus to truly assess the #s you would have to factor WAR changes for entire schedule as well. Just curious if the #s were available what they’d look like and if there would seem to be any rhyme or reason.
Flaherty and Maeda both missed time so their WAR totals were pretty low. I was just using them cus it was a quick example off the top of my head.
Tigers323215 hours ago
I have a feeling it won’t quantify the same, I’d assume if u add WAR at multiple positions it would start leading to exponential growth due to strengthening multiple positions
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I absolutely love this topic.
1-I think not enough people look at the long-term fit for these additions. While I would love to have the RS buy low on chapman, in the long-run, it makes more sense to to have Yoshi transition to DH over the next two years rather than Devers.
2-More specifically, to your reference, I think the way to go is to upgrade your weakest position with the best FA available. For the RS, once again, adding a 3.5 WAR Monty to the rotation also means adding Houck or Whitlock to the BP. A W/W imo.
So 4.1 WAR based off last yr.
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At that level, WAR might be team-specific. The LAD or SDP idea of 3 replacement players might be in excess of the 4.1.
For a team like the RS, especially irt SPs, they have no replacement players.
JB
WAR is not team specific. It is set against a certain level of performance.
Yes, some teams might have better depth options than others, that has nothing to do,with WAR
Last time the Pirates traded for a former pitcher looking to bounce back it didn’t work out at all. See Archer,Chris.
For the price the White Sox are asking for, Ceaes has Archer 2.0 written all over him in my opinion.
AJ Burnett
Getz gets the award for most annoying GM of the offseason.
A bit debatable.
But arguable.
Fans of about 25 other teams might disagree.
Im not sure about annoying.. Maybe frustrating.. I mean he really is just a puppet for ‘The Chairman’ . At this point, its about what he got back in the trades, and really most of those we will not know how good or bad they were until a few years from now.
Steve Adams
“Cease sports a 3.58 ERA with a 28.5% strikeout rate, 10.4% walk rate, 36.5% ground-ball rate and 1.03 HR/9.”
Are you allergic to FIP/xFIP? It’s right there
Does someone writing on this site get a dividend every time they write about Cease?
Lots of articles on him about nothing this winter.
Your right on the last sentence.
What’s the name of the site again?
Well, Cease is a MLB pitcher that has had a lot of trade rumours surrounding him this off-season, so I’d expect a site called “MLB Trade Rumors” to cover them.
You have to admire somehow cranking out eight paragraphs when the headline tells the entire story.
The funniest part about Chris Getz’s work so far is he sounds like someone pitching Cryptocurrency as a good idea
He isn’t a computer scientist major.
Prediction: sore arm early on and the Sox get little if anything for him, end up holding on to him AND don’t offer him a QO.
Idk about the QO but a risk is still a risk at the end of the day.
Cease
Robert
For
Armstrong
Horton
Cassie
Wicks
Rojas
Ton of talent to give up but the Cubs currently have one of the better systems in baseball. Getting 4 years of Robert and 2 of Cease makes them instant division favorites.
But the Cards can beat that offer! Gorman, Burleson, Carlson,Baker, Hence, and Roby. Without hurting their 2024 chances
I am a Cardinal fan too but haven’t really thought about the Cardinals making a deal like this.
Walker, Winn and Scott probably gets it done. And I probably would be OK with that big believer in Scott but Walker is a bum and Winn I don’t know if he will ever hit.
Why do you not like Walker? Dude can flat out hit and played out of position all last year. I think Walker will be a stud.
Cardinals have the best offense in the Central but questionable pitching and leadership. After missing the playoffs, I expected the Cards to go more in and improve the rotation more than they did. I’m not a fan on banking on so many rebound candidates however if Matz keeps going strong, Gray stays consistent and Mikolas rebounds it’s a good top three.
Dude can flat out hit and played out of position all last year.
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1-How do you know he can “flat out hit”? Good hitter, with a lot of Ks.
2-And he played out of position because he might not have a position.
His strike out rate isn’t bad at all, 22%? As a rookie? Please.
He flat out hit all through the minors, skipped AAA and immediately hit major league pitching. Hit .270 plus with power as a 21 year old, adjusted to the league after they adjusted to him and finished strong. All signs point to dude being flat out able to hit.
Armstrong and Horton alone make the Cubs offer better.
Armstrong and Horton definitely are not better than those 3 Cardinals players.
Saying Walker is a bum is all I need to hear to discount your baseball acumen. And I was referring to Gorman, Burleson, and Carlson.
Walker is a bum. Can’t play defense.
Gorman, Burleson and Carlson isn’t anywhere close to worth what Armstrong and Horton are worth that’s for sure.
Gorman, Burleson and Carlson
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It wouldn’t matter the value. As far along as they are in their careers, they don’t fit the WS timeline.
And TBH, they are far more valuable to StL than they would be to the WS.
Might as well try to get Jimenez thrown in if you’re gunna sell the farm.
As a White Sox fan, hard pass. Cubs don’t need either anyway.
Outside of the Soto trade, there has been a rather universal reluctance this offseason for any club to part with a consequential prospect that stings. Even the headliner for rental of Burnes was a scrappy versatile glove first guy in Ortiz. Perhaps the high price of even middling/reclamation FAs is making teams hold even tighter to prospects.
There is really no risk when no one is putting a good headliner on the table. If Cease gets hurt for the first time in his career, it’s not like they turned down a good offer for 2yrs of a dirt cheap starter.
The cost for Soto was high but the Yankees didn’t move any top prospects to get him.
Edit: somehow I forgot about Thorpe.
Yeah I think some of the extreme cost of free agents specially pitching has made gm’s want even more for their players that are fairly cheap.
The other issue is there aren’t a lot of teams not trying to win this year. So the market is pretty thin. When you have almost every team in both centrals thinking they can win the division it reduces the sellers atm.
Who really is trying to offload players right now? White Sox, A’s (limited stock), Rockies (who hardly trade anyone), maybe the Nats. Who are the players people want from these teams? There are few but not a lot. So now teams have to lineup on players that can help both teams this year. Which is really hard to do. White Sox have most of the inventory but have over priced it. So nothing is happening.
WSox wanted Westburg instead of Ortiz to headline the deal. Pretty reasonable stance when you get past the various buyer FOs who didn’t want to give up a prospect that hurt/ filter it to the press with that spin. It sounds better than buyers saying they offered a bunch of insignificant pieces and the rookie GM unfortunately didn’t bite.
In the case of O’s it is great they could rent Burnes for basically same thing. That was a better win-win since Brewers were more motivated to take what they could get now.
Teams not willing to meet Getz’s ridiculous ask =/= no good offers.
Lol. Get beyond the big ask in Dec when it should be high and teams paid a lot in $ (12-20 mil/yr range) for for a mix of old/hurt/struggling free agent starter options. That is a time when some FO’s get itchy to check a box and overpay.
Look at what actually was sought after haggling. Westburg was the headliner impasse b/c they wanted a safe high floor position player to insert in lineup. WSox are self-aware enough to know they have been really bad at developing position players for 20+ years. Once 1 legit guy is on table, it’s filling in blanks with lesser pieces.
I’ve said it a few times and I’ll say it again, holding Cease is a gamble for the Sox. If he underperforms or gets injured, the price could plummet. Of course, we’re not privy to what the offers have been, and maybe the gamble will pay off, but it’s a gamble nonetheless.
I think Cease would really need to have a GREAT first half, like Cy Young contender, to generate more than what was likely offered already in the off season and is that really worth the risk of him either being bad and or getting injured? I guess we will see..
So the trade speculation has “Ceased” then. I’ll see myself to the door
Being the minority on this decision- I like keeping Cease. We need pitching. Now shock us and sign Montgomery and Snell. Throw in Belinger too!
A man that dreams hard.
Hey Siri, how do you overplay your hand?
It must be inspiring to play for a team that spent the entire off season trying to trade you. I’m sure it’s great for morale.
All BS aside, and I don’t care about what Getz desires… what do you, the real Southsider fans want? My Pads are deep, but I’m just calling to get the temperature here. What are we thinking? We know it’s 2 years, but with declining metrics. He’s worthy, don’t get me wrong… but he’s not top-shelf and we already know this. Fair price if we line up, our Farm is deep again, what’s up?
Cease’s FIP (FIP taken with a grain of salt) has been better than Burns each of the past two years.
One of year of Burns, plus nearly double the salary, landed two top 100 prospects plus a compensation pick.
Cease would cost two lower top 100 prospects plus two additional in a teams top 20. Ask would be Thorpe and Lesko plus two. Lesko being ranked high this season, you could be looking at two additional in the 20-30 range perhaps
That’s a bitter pill, I knew it was going to hurt. Even if the price was just those 2 pitchers, I think we’d pass. Perhaps we lineup better down the road, but I can tell our foundational assessments are varied to a degree right now. Thanks drasco!
I think most teams are passing/trying to take advantage of a new GM. Getz ask isn’t far off from value, Cease has over 30 million in surplus value, plus his value as a player, plus additional years of control, plus the ability to extend a QO.
His “fair” price is more than teams are willing to pay and I can’t blame either for their stance. Sox should wait for someone to be desperate to eat that pill at the trade deadline.
Drascoo, that’s prob about right. Though the white Sox maybe asking for even more. Either way I don’t see the padres doing that.
Think the padres are going to hold onto their prospects or at least the majority of them. I could see a more minor trade being made by the padres but I don’t see them moving their top prospects.
I want to keep Cease and Robert, and build around them.
Cease is going to be gone in 2 years, and the team is going to suck during that time. Boras is his agent, and the Sox have never given a 9 figure contract to anybody, so there is absolutely no chance of keeping him. They need to get what they can for him, while they can, and move on.
Sfu13, that makes sense if I was a Sox fan. But they need so many things. Their farm system is weak. They need players and they need a real floor. Remember, the Angels had two GREAT players. Look where that got them. If you look at the White Sox World Series winning team, they had good players all over the field. Keep that in mind when looking at your future. They could eventually be that way again if they handle this right. They would just need a couple of back to back good drafts, and a really good free agent or two.
Gwynning, if the Padres offered Snelling, Vazquez, Thorpe, and Pawley, then Getz would be foolish not to jump on that deal. Throw in Lamar King Jr so that the Sox get a catching prospect as well.
That’s a steep price for “us”, Joe. Too steep. I’d retort that Snelling, Thorpe and Lesko are untouchable in virtually *any* trade, but Vazquez-Pauley and I’ll do you better at catcher, Brandon Valenzuela. That’s an arm with serious potential to replace Cease (albeit lower in the rotation, for now), your new starting third baseman with a stick in Pauley and a stud catcher for maybe ’24, realistically ’25. We could do those 3 and pick a lottery ticket to go with.
I don’t know sir. That seems a little light still to me. That is if we are still talking about Cease and Robert. The package that you are offering sounds about right for Cease only. That makes perfect sense to me actually. As a Padres fan I see the reluctance to give up Snelling and Thorpe. So that trade for Cease only with the players that you offered is dead on I’m thinking IMHO. My thinking is based on Getz being the Sox puppet master of course.
Yes, Cease only! I didn’t see Robert being talked about until just now, haha. Cheers mate
Yes sir. All of us just frigging loved Tony Gwynn. A great player and an even better man! One of my heroes..
I think that is spot-on correct. I think the SDP and RS are similar. Cease would be a good get, but he is not a #1. If this was 2025, and maybe a couple more prospects taking over established starting roles, I’d find the 2 years more attractive.
But with 2024 being more fringy compared to 2025, I’d tell the WS to call me before they made a move, but I wouldn’t be reaching at this point.
Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Getz has a reservation at the hog trough. Good luck buddy.
Getz is just waiting on an injury in Spring Training to one of the team’s SP that’s been interested in Cease. Cease will be dealt before opening day.
Getz is waiting on injuries and chewing bubblegum… ah heck you know the rest! Still a great movie, cheers TL
Still a great movie
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Extremely underrated.
Unless of course that injury is to Cease.
Lipstick on a pig.
No problem holding onto Cease for a few months. Maybe they catch lightning and are competitive? Probably not. When Cease pitches make sure you have your best defensive lineup in. As long as he avoids walks, and obviously injury, Getz will ultimately receive a haul for him before the trade deadline when contenders and pretenders take sides.
Exactly.
Or he posts another 4.58/3.72 ERA/FIP. From my casual observations, it feels like performance risk is at least as high as injury risk.
Not having to throw to the worst catcher in baseball again, should really help Cease this year.
Agree.
There should be no comma before “either” in that sentence, Adams. That’s an archaic rule you should know by now.