The Orioles are acquiring southpaw starting pitcher Trevor Rogers from the Marlins, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. The Marlins will receive second baseman/outfielder Connor Norby in the deal, reports Robert Murray of FanSided. Miami also gets outfielder Kyle Stowers, according to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand.
Rogers marks the Orioles’ second recent rotation addition, after they acquired Zach Eflin from the Rays four days ago. Rogers, 27 in November, owns a 4.53 ERA, 18.0 K%, 9.7 BB%, and 46.9% groundball rate in 105 1/3 innings this year. Rogers has a 3.17 ERA over his last nine starts, but with no apparent improvement in his skills.
Rogers was at his best three years ago, when he made the All-Star team and finished second in the NL Rookie of the Year voting by posting a 2.64 ERA in 133 innings. He averaged 94.6 miles per hour on his fastball that year, and looked like one of the game’s best young starters. The lefty had a strong pedigree, as well, having been drafted 13th overall out of high school in 2017.
Things took a turn in 2022, as Rogers’ strikeout rate plummeted and he missed a month with lower back spasms. That season also ended a bit early due to a lat strain. 2023 was worse, as Rogers’ season ended in April after four starts due to a left biceps strain and a partial tear in his right lat.
Rogers then entered the arbitration system, and is earning $1.53MM this year. He remains under team control through 2026. Rogers has avoided the IL thus far this year, but it’ll be up to Orioles pitching coach Drew French and the rest of the staff to attempt to help him regain his 2021 form. Rogers’ average fastball velocity is down to 92.2 miles per hour this year, a notable 2.4 mile per hour drop from his one stellar season.
Having lost Kyle Bradish, John Means, and Tyler Wells to Tommy John surgery, the first-place Orioles have a rotation of Corbin Burnes, Grayson Rodriguez, Eflin, Dean Kremer, and Rogers. Burnes and Means are eligible for free agency after the season, leaving Rodriguez, Kremer, and new additions Eflin and Rogers for 2025.
The Orioles had been connected to Garrett Crochet and Blake Snell, and could theoretically add one of them in the next three-plus hours, but are likely done with their rotation at this point. Aside from Eflin and Rogers, Orioles executive vice president and GM Mike Elias also bolstered his bullpen by acquiring Seranthony Dominguez last week.
Marlins president of baseball operations Peter Bendix did quite well in adding a pair of Major League-ready position players for two-plus years of Rogers.
Norby, 24, ranked 93rd on Baseball America’s top 100 prospects heading into the 2023 season. Prior to this season, BA gave Norby a 50 grade, calling him a “bat-first second baseman” who can also handle left field. The former 2021 second-rounder has spent most of the season repeating Triple-A, and has shown quite well with a 134 wRC+ in 80 games. He’s gotten a few brief looks with the Orioles due to Jorge Mateo’s injuries, but has only played in nine big league games so far. Norby is under the Marlins’ control through 2030 and will likely receive regular playing time at second base for the rest of the season.
Stowers, 26, was drafted by the Orioles in the second round out of Stanford in 2019. Known for his big raw power from the left side, Stowers has been unable to secure regular playing time on the stacked Orioles since his 2022 debut. Stowers, who is best-suited for right field, will get that chance with the Marlins. Like Norby, Stowers has spent most of the season at Triple-A, posting a decent 115 wRC+.
If the Marlins did indeed come up with a pair of controllable regulars for a back-end starter in Rogers, it’ll be quite the win as Bendix makes his mark on the team.
At the time of this writing, Bendix still has three-plus hours remaining to further remake the Marlins, likely by dismantling his bullpen and possibly trading outfielder Bryan De La Cruz. The team’s 2024 rotation is particularly bare with the departure of Rogers, leaving Edward Cabrera, Max Meyer, and Kyle Tyler. Jesus Luzardo is working his way back from a lumbar stress reaction, Ryan Weathers is recovering from an index finger strain, and Braxton Garrett is on the IL for a forearm strain. Next year, the team will get Sandy Alcantara and eventually Eury Perez back from Tommy John surgery.
WOW, NOT MOVE EXPECTED!
WHO ARE THEY GIVING UP!
LOOKS LIKE OLD O’s!
THOUGHT THEY CHANGED OWNERS
NORBY AND STOWERS FINALLY MOVED. MY PROPHECIES FORETOLD THIS
Are you gonna be a marlins fan now or is Trevor Rogers actually god and Jesus combined now
so is this account number 5 for you fetch?
correction Fletch..
4.53 era, cmon!
It’s not Skubal or Crochet, but it’s still a good depth add for the O’s..
they need depth? I could have sworn they did have enough starting pitching
Not right now. Means, Wells, and Bradish are all done for at least the rest of this year and some of next. Feel like the Orioles gave up a lot though. We’ll see
We had great pitching. But we lost a CY contender got the next season plus in Bradish, a middle rotation starter in Means, a back end guy in Wells, and are still down that best closer in baseball in Felix. All out for the season and then some. Our staff was just utterly decimated by injury. We were in desperate need of depth. After decisive wins on the Efflin and Seranthony trades it’s ok that we may have taken a small L here, in the grand scheme of things.
Hopeful, locked on twins had terry ryan on yesterday…
I’ll have to watch it. I got Terry Ryan’s auto at TwinsFest once when he was still the GM. He seemed pretty checked out.
He’s been better than average (per ERA+) only once in a season that included 18 IP or more, and that was his rookie season when he was RoY runner-up. Change of scenery could ignite something, but surprised at this haul for MIA who finally are cashing in some on their arms.
Connor Norby going to Marlins.
Wow!
Phew glad it’s not NYY. Not a fan.
Ooooohhhhh nooooooo!!!! Yankees fans are revolting!!!
If by revolting you mean LOLing you nailed it!
As a Mets fan, I definitely find them revolting
Everybody does
Off all the teams the O’s got him
Don’t worry. Drew French and Co. will urge him to throw more sweepers and f him all up.
If he can get back to his 2021 self this would be a great move. But so far this season has been underwhelming. It’s a wonder why Orioles didn’t try to take more established pitcher this season.
His Ks have fallen way off and his WHIP is 1.528. Not the same guy as 2021.
Sure did not have him going to the Orioles, I had the Padres making a deal for Scott and Rogers.
Yeah they weren’t beating the offer of norby.
Norby and Stowers. Pretty massive haul.
Agree…wow!
I wanted 3 Rogers on the Giants.
I’d like you to have 3 rogers on the giants and one less snell.
I normally laugh at wow’s but wow
Wait – I thought he was already on the Os? Oh never mind, that was Cole Irvin, basically the same pitcher. You know, if you actually want to win this year, you MAY… MAY… want to upgrade your starting staff with more than just below average starters. If only they had minor league stars to trade… or huge farm system depth… oh – um… never mind again. Unless they get Skubal, Flaherty or someone who is an ACTUAL upgrade, they will continue to be a great offense with questionable starters.
I posted a similar sentiment on a previous thread. Not only do they have major league excess, they had Mayo, Basallo, Norby all blocked at the MLB level. Mateo and Uribe, both spare parts. Cowser or Kjerstad as well.
Go get an ace. Nope. Eflin and Rogers…..
Exactly my point Jerry. This is ridiculous. We get it Os, you want to prolong your window. But WINDOW MEANS NOTHING if you don’t win anything substantial. They have a great offense, along with 6 potential great infielders, 5 potential great outfielders, and only 2 starting pitchers, one of whom leaves after this year. This isn’t a difficult equation, but the Os keep making these types of moves.
Norby and Stowers gets Fedde yesterday, and Mayo / Basallo plus a couple others gets Skubal or Crochet. Do you want to win a WS or have a great regular season at Norfolk?
Interestingly, their record in Norfolk isn’t that impressive thus far. They aren’t even a .500 club. I was surprised when I saw that a few days ago. I figured they’d be crushing the competition with all that talent down there.
Man – my ‘stinging’ assessment loses some sting! ;0) Well – my average assessment remains!
Rennick, Norfolk has exactly zero pitching. That’s why their record is bad there.
Exactly….hang onto all your blocked prospects Orioles. Then when you’re out early you can sit all winter and not wonder why…
Wow I never imagined a return like this for Rogers, what a move!
Yeah that was a bad for the Orioles.
As an O’s fan I can’t help but feel bad about this trade at this point.
surprised as well. Rogers and Scott for that haul would have been still a little slanted towards the Fish.
O’s won trade
This reminds me of the Jack Flaherty trade last year.
Yuck
And I said that before they updated to include Stowers. Yikes.
SHOCKED that they would get Norby for Rogers. Wow – I was giving Elias too much credit. If he was willing to trade from his top 5 prospects, why not aim higher than Cole Irvin part 2?
He probably could have got Fedde yesterday with Norby as the headliner. Sometimes happens when you get too cute with lowball offers.
I can only hope this is not it for trades and Elias redeems himself. This has all the makings of closing time at the bar and Elias not wanting to go home alone.
Looks like the Marlins got their Jazz Chisholm replacement.
Norby and Stowers is alot to give up
the O’s got destroyed in this deal. period.
Completely agree
Connor Norby and Kyle Stowers
Not bad for Orioles. They can give Norby and Stowers a long look see if they can be building blocks heading into next season.
Marlins* page refreshed so can’t edit comment.
Anyways Stowers gets a good look at CF and Norby can get a look at 2B or 3B
I was going to say
Feels like an overpay — what a time to be a seller
what a time to be a seller of pitching, specifically
Not if you’re the Tigers and have Harris as your POBO. This guy doesn’t know how to make a trade. They need offense, but have only made two minor trades for 3 pjtchers, and a bat first 26 year old C, repeating AA ball. Baffling!
Can’t believe they gave Norby for this guy? He better pitch great the rest of the way. Norby is more than a solid big leaguer. Norby should have been part of a much bigger impact trade.
Norby AND Stowers. Insane.
Norby likely would not have been a solid big leaguer for Baltimore. There is not enough space to play him. Everyone always looks at these top 30 prospect lists and forget that there are only 9 players on the field at a time. Good teams will only have 1 or maybe 2 spots for rookies. The rest will be part time players, bench players, or stuck in the minors. For good teams, prospects are nothing more than currency.
So they probably should have just cut him then, right hiflew?
Everyone understands that only 9 can play, the point is to maximize your assets, and trading Norby + Stowers for an average pitcher who seems eerily similar to Irvin who they already have, just doesn’t make sense.
OK. Have a nice day.
Big Hurt;
Take a deep breath.
The price of pitchers this deadline is astronomical.
No team is trading a top 15 prospect that they control for 6 years – especially a small market team that has limited revenues to extend their players – to get a rental starter.
In a sane world Rodgers isn’t worth one of Norby or Stowers.
Kudos to Peter Bendix and his staff – Kim Ng would never have pulled off something like this. And it’s not just this move. The Marlins may well prove to be the winner of the 2024 trade deadline. This is Rays-esque.
Samuel – you remind me of the Naked Gun scene with Leslie Nielson saying “there’s nothing to see here” with everything in flames behind him. No- this isn’t the end of the world for the Os, it just isn’t a good use of their valuable assets unless you have the “Mike Elias is God” blinders on.
Rogers is similar enough to Irvin that they should not have given up 2 of their top 2 prospects for him. Enough said – and I’m breathing just fine ;0)
And btw – over the last 3 years, his ERA is 4.92, his FIP is 4.36, fewer Ks than IP, more Hs than IP, just nothing to love here.
Over the same time, Cole Irvin had an ERA of 4.31, FIP of 4.38, fewer Ks than IP and more Hs than IP (in a more difficult ballpark to pitch in).
Big Hurt;
Been watching MLB since 1956, and have been watching watching at least parts of 400 or so MLB games a year on MLB.TV for the last 7 or 8.
That’s for straightening me (and others) out.
You might want to see a doctor about your hyperventilation issues.
Samuel – for someone ‘watching baseball since 1956’, you have surprisingly little to say. Telling everyone they have no clue, or to take deep breaths, yet to not really have any takes just makes you look silly. Stop worrying about who’s saying what, and just have a take or opinion. If you don’t, maybe just log off until 6 ET.
Still excited about the Rogers trade Os fans?
Hiflew, they had announced Norby as the everyday 2B moving forward, with the Mateo injury.
This leaves them very thin in the infield. Left side they have Urias, Henderson, Westburg. That’s it. No bench to replace any of those guys. So they will have to make a corresponding move and recall either Holliday or add Mayo to the 40 and give him his debut to cover the righty bat need. I would bet it’s Mayo that gets the call – subtracting Norby leaves the big league roster with McCann, Mountcastle, Westburg, Urias and… Pache as right handers. Only two of those are above average hitters. One is exactly average, and two are well below. So they need a righty now more than ever, and have parted with Hays & Norby with no RH in the immediate depth chart…
Does this portend a Holliday promotion?
I doubt it. Probably a Mayo promotion. This thins the RH ranks to unsustainable lows.
SewaldSwansonSwoon;
Do you follow the O’s?
Elias said last week that Holliday and Mayo will be up with the team for the stretch run.
Samuel, take your thumb, put it in the middle of your chair, leave it there, and squat right on top of it. Baltimore has only subtracted one position player from their active roster today, and it is one of very few righties when they are known to be placing an emphasis on needing righties. So any logical baseball fan would assume that another righty infielder gets called up to take that roster spot, not another lefty. Hence Mayo.
Norby was the 2b of the future with Henderson at short, Westburg at third and Mayo at first. This trade greatly changes the path going forward as well as the depth in the organization…which is fine if you get a needed top of the rotation starter or a closer, but not if you get a #5 starter/long reliever type of guy.
Maybe the plan is to make him a closer?
FeartheTurtle;
Sorry,
You have no clue.
Basallo ? Holliday? Norby wasn’t the future anywhere. He’s been blocked and was going to be a 2B/LF short side platoon player long term.
It’s a great haul for Rogers but he wasn’t the future.
Fear – Holliday is the future of 2B, not Norby. Just sayin.
With the way Gunner is playing SS (likely to cost the O’s a WS spot this year unless Mateo gets well) Holliday’s future may well be at SS.
You have no idea who the future is. Plans change once a player gets on the field and he plays good enough that you can’t ever get him off.
Holliday was converted to 2B at AAA this year and is still with the club. Norby is not. So, all signs point to me being correct. Class dismissed 🙂
What class are you in? Second grade?
Was this the starter the Orioles had in mind to stand next to Burnes as the one two if so, that is kind of weak. Rogers was only seen as a 4 maybe a 5 starter according to some of the articles I read this past spring.
No, Grayson Rodriguez is that guy.
The O’s have Grayson Rodriguez as the number 2. Now Eflin as 3. Rogers will slot in as 4, with Kremer as 5.
Wow highway robbery by the Marlins. Good for them.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing based on what I’ve read/heard about Norby’s value. It’s clear O’s are in win-now mode.
Winning with a pitcher with a 1.528 WHIP rarely happens. Birds get sucker-pitched.
Yeah, I agree. I wasn’t referring to him, I was referring to the O’s willingness to part with Norby/Stowers for him.
Orioles got fleeced, but I guess there was no room to play Norby really
Can’t keep everybody. Though I’m shocked they didn’t cash in on crochet or go get someone like Eric Fedde
Crochet wants a contract to pitch in October. That stopped the Orioles immediately.
Well – no room to play Norby is true, but I have to imagine Norby and Stowers gets them Flaherty, a HUGE upgrade from Rogers.
Flaherty is a better pitcher, but he’s a rental so he should cost less. But who knows in this seller market (for pitchers)
Maybe you should contact the Orioles since you obviously know more than their front office. I’m sure they will be thrilled to talk to you. It’s not every day you get to talk to someone that knows everything.
Hiflew, agreed. This guy is lighting up the boards on x getting y but he’s still living in a 2024 preseason world. The market changes and you’ve got to exist within that paradigm. The Big Hurt’s baseball IQ seems to fall off a cliff after his sweet sweet handle (Thomas was among my absolute faves as a kid).
Another possibility, just throwing it out there, is that you, hiflew and Samuel are living on Elias’ jock and struggling to be objective. Agreed that the market has changed, and at least Brew makes a really good point about the timeframe being a big difference between, but it doesn’t mean that Rogers is an upgrade to the Os staff.
They now have a 1 for next year, and four 5s. Surprising with their incredible offensive depth.
I’m not ‘smarter than the Os front office’, but I do get to have an opinion (like you all), and this is the first odd move that I think Elias has made.
There is no possibility that that is the case. Perhaps you only think it’s odd due to a lack of knowledge. There’s a reason fangraphs had Norby as our #16 prospect. In fact there are several. They grade him as a below average hitter and poor defender. And that is supported by the fact he struck out 27% of the time at AAA this season. He’s got some pop, obviously, but I don’t think the Orioles wanted to be married to a .250 hitter with 15-20 homers and well below average defense at the keystone. Bottom line is that he wasn’t a big future piece as his prospect star has dimmed from his declining play this season (you’ll need to look beyond the box score, which is what the professionals do and why he was included in this deal). Lazy fanboys like to make sweeping statements they’ll never have to back up but we adults like to actually analyze a situation and make determinations based upon facts and evidence rather than gut based upon tremendously outdated prospect rankings.
Flaherty did not fit with the O’s clubhouse though
Put on your thinking cap for a second…If that was the case that deal would have been made. And after the Astros ponied up last night the price went up. Further, Stowers is intriguing but that’s all. He’s 27 and just doesn’t get on base enough for any contending team in a corner OF spot. So many orioles fans were viewing him as a legitimate asset but obviously the market disagreed.
Florida’s front office disagreed, and Stowers will be playing in their OF, while Norby will be playing in their IF. Yes, Baltimore has better players in their lineup currently, but that doesn’t mean prospects that are blocked should be discounted. Florida was happy to get them on the cheap.
Bendix is cooking.
I’ve been in full wait and see mode with him but I like the trades we have made the last few days for sure. Our farm is getting rebuilt and with guys who will be up over the next couple years.
I’m sure these two are heading straight to Miami.
4.50 ERA in that park? It’s a good thing the O’s moved their fences back a few years ago…
deweybelongsinthehall;
The moving of the fences?
The biggest LF in MLB.
Yeah…..”lucky”….
Connor Norby and Kyle Stowers?? That’s a decent return, let’s see what Peter Bendix can pull off for Tanner Scott now.
Decent? The just fleeced the O’s
lmaoooo it’s for Stowers and Norby. Where’s the one poster here who keeps saying Stowers and Norby on every deal?
HUGE overpay for a slightly above average starter
I get it Rogers has been doing better compared to other seasons but he’s not going back to his ROY prime
I bet marlins fans are rejoicing right now
We have not had much to cheer about this year, this trade deadline seems like our World Series lol. And we still have Scott to trade.
26 and washed up because Internet board experts proclaim it. One thing the Orioles are is SMART. Smarter than the jackwagons here. I think I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. (not an Os fan either)
I’m a Marlins fan and I don’t think Rogers is beyond saving by any means. He’s still young and has shown he can do it before, a change of scenery may help him a lot. I am shocked we got so much for him but I hope he ends up playing really well for the O’s.
LolOrioles
I see just Connor Norby here but on MLB Network just now they said Kyle Stowers was in the deal too. But the same guy that claimed Arson Judge was on the move to SF said it so take that with a grain of salt. So you couldn’t get Scott with another body or two? I don’t know what to think any all of this. I’ll reserve judgement until after the deadline but it’s a WTF so far for me.
Arson? How many times a day do you type that to have it predicted on your keyboard bro? Yikes
Lolol
It’s actually a joke from when Judge was a free agent. Jon Heyman tweeted out “Arson Judge appears headed to the Giants” right before he re-signed with the Yankees. He got roasted for misspelling “Aaron” and also for having bad info.
That’s a good return on Rogers.
good? it’s a wining lottery ticket
As an Os fan I’m hoping for a miracle here but this feels like a major L. Really question the thinking on this
I feel like this package would be more than enough to get Rogers and tanner Scott
Now the orioles only farm system problem is if they prefer Coby mayo or Sam basallo
I think it’s more for next year. Burnes is probably gone. Who knows when Bradish, Means, and Wells return. Rogers is a more than serviceable starter who maybe the Os think can unlock something with a new pitching staff. Still a lot to give up and not really a move that helps them win a WS this year. Not thrilled about it, mainly because of the price.
Means is a FA. This was a very good deal for the Os, looking to both the present and future. Norby’s 27% K rate and brutal defense make him a mediocre piece at best and is why fangraphs ranked him as our 16th prospect. I don’t think this is the guy that saves our season but this was a pretty good trade for us and, given the market, Elias has done an outstanding job adding important pieces around the edges without sacrificing any notable prospect capital.
Although these players fie the orioles are road blocked in Baltimore, thought they would get a better pitcher than this, feeling a bad deal for the orioles
I guess Baltimore couldn’t get Scott. Baltimore hasn’t done anything to separate from Yankees. It’s going to be an exciting finish.
Nothing is exciting when the Yankees are involved.
I agree. But I do think the orioles have added around the edges where they needed to. If the Yankees lose Judge or Soto for any extended period of time then the orioles will run away with the division. Basically, the Os did West they needed to to put themselves in the position to take advantage of the Yankees deeply flawed roster construction.
Wow that seems like a lot? I like Roger’s but this seems great for the marlins.
They gave Stowers also!! Terrible trade. Norby and stowers should have gotten better in return for those guys.
Poor Norby. Goes from being the new starting 2B for the playoff-contending Baltimore Orioles to being the property of the Miami Marlins for the next six years. That’s gotta hurt…
positively_broad_st;
Hello. Long time…..
Bendix read the market correctly months ago and has played his cards probably better than any POBO.
This idiotic 12 teams qualify for a WC means that any team that’s not rebuilding or has suffered multiple major injuries is a playoff contender…..where their fans think “anything can happen”. MLB has followed the other leagues in making the regular season a joke…but in todays professional sports leagues, money trumps integrity.
Blue Jays broke the market.
Some other O’s fans were thinking Norby was too much for Taillon lol. At least Taillon is having a better season who could’ve helped O’s in the playoffs this year. Was on a short contract. This is a retool move lol
Taillon also costs a lot more than Rogers salary wise.
They went with the younger cheaper guy this time around.
Taillon isn’t really better than rogers, he’s more expensive, and has less control.
Wood, are the O’s going for it this year or not? Yes, you got a cheaper guy. But, the O’s are legit contenders THIS year. The 90’s Braves and Indians will tell you that nothing is guaranteed. Whether it was Taillon, Fedde, Crochet, or Skubal, they should’ve gone for a guy with a better track record. Two years ago, Roger’s makes total sense. Now, not so much.
It’s at least partially a move to add a lefty with some upside to the 2025 and 2026 rotations.
As the Kikuchi trade showed, the SP market is red hot right now.
This was a much smarter move than a Taillon add. The orioles already added money in Eflin; doing the same for another 3/4 would have been potentially financially crippling. This way we get a guy with more ceiling – though probably a lower floor as well if we’re being objective – but at minimal expense such that we can add at the deadline/ in the offseason much easier. The Os are just playing chess at such a level that casual fans can’t comprehend why their checkers brains don’t get the moves.
What??? Has to be more coming back than Rodgers?? He stinks. This is absurd.
Yea. If tanner scott was in there too then great. I get the orioles need to clear roster space but come on Elias
Do people watch the games? Rogers is a perfect under the radar guy, excellent 21, 22 and 23 marred by injuries. This year got off to a very slow start, but the further away he gets from injuries he is starting to show signs. His last 9 or 10 games have been promising, but your expert analysis is “he stinks”. Gosh this site is full of jokers.
kwolf68;
The kids posting here think they’re smarter than Elias, Sig, and their staffs.
No other MLB franchise has built the organizational infrastructure and player depth levels they have. They started with few players of worth and had a minimal amount of money to work with.
The best FO in MLB (and I’m in awe at what DD has done in Philadelphia).
No, they don’t. That’s precisely the problem. Rogers is better than they realize. And Norby is muchhhhh worse
Holy overpay, Orioles….
If this is the going rate in return for pitching from the Marlins, I guess the price is going to be pretty steep for the other pitchers throughout the league. Get ready there might be some teams right now after this deal, taking a second look at do they really want to pay a very high price for top pitchers available.
desertdawg;
Where have you been…..
The price has been out of hand.
Orioles s…
That’s some price. I think makes BAL AL favorites…so you pay it Everytime
He had a big game against the Brewers the other night so that must have impressed the Orioles staff. First Marlin starting pitcher to get a win in some crazy long time span. Now he is in playoff chase.
Does this mean the O’s offered Norby and Stowers for Flaherty and were rebuffed or did they value the extra years of control over Rogers more?
I have reservations about Flaherty. His results in 2023 and 2022. Plus when he was traded to BAL in 2nd half of 2023. Was he hurt or did he feel the pressure.
Did he develop a new pitch or something, a new approach? ???
Buyer beware I say. Worth 2 (50-100) prospects maybe.
He is not a difference maker IMHO.
Like a #3.5 with upside to a #2 in short term.
Is he a #3 starter in the playoffs. OK
Scouts and Analytical staff have their opinions, numbers crunched
His stats and performance this year say you are way off base.
I’m guessing Dodgers get Flaherty now.
The Dodgers, Cleveland, SD or NYY seem to be the front runners.
Obviously other options are available to fill out the rotation but there’s no way the Dodgers keep rolling out those five
Can someone please explain this to me? What am I missing here? This one is a disappointing head scratcher. For Norby? Can someone please put a really nice spin on this for O’s fans? Thanks.
AND Stowers. You’re missing nothing, your disappointment is warranted. Rogers is NOT good enough fir that return.
He’s pitched well these last two months (3.48 ERA), but those underlying metrics on the year…yikes. (4.42 FIP, 4.84 xERA).
Marlins won this trade big time!
Pirates could have traded them Bailey Falter and an infielder for that.
Hopefully we flip Perez if this what starters are getting
Rogers: A 2-9 W-L record, a 4.53 ERA and a 1.528 WHIP. And they give up Norby, whose career Triple A B.A. is .296. Congrats, Marlins. Great trade!
The O’s have prospects to deal, although I’m not a big Rogers fans, so the Norby+ package is significant. Looks like the O’s by adding Eflin and Rogers are going more for medium- to back-end additions. Neither are game changers, but are solid depth, and there’s still a few hours left in the trade deadline.
Give me another solid bullpen arm, plus call up Mayo and Holliday, and I’m feeling pretty good about this deadline TBH.
A good bullpen arm should be a must. A return of Scott to the O’s to close would be significant. Prices at this trade deadline have been a bit crazy. Definitely a sellers market this year.
I’m sure many, many O’s fans still have PTSD from Tanner pitching in Orange & Black.
Fish fans have mirrored the queasy, uncomfortable sentiments of O’s fans when it comes to trusting Tanner in any fashion.
I’d rather they get Finnegan.
This is like the inverse of the Eflin trade. I feel like we gave up way too much. I guess Elias and his guys strongly believe they can rebuild Rogers back into an above average MLB starter, but still, damn that stings.
Oh well, happy that Stowers and Norby will finally get their shots at regular MLB playing time. Well-earned. Good lucks, lads.
Same people on here saying Orioles never trade any of their prospects are the same ones saying they gave up too much in this deal.
For the record, on paper at this moment in time, the Marlins got the better end of this deal. If Rogers gets back to his ‘21 form, the Os win.
Marlins let him give up 8 runs in 2 1/3 innings May 7th, brought his ERA from 4.31 to 6.15. In the 14 starts since, his given up no more than 4 in a game (3 times)
Thank you, someone that’s not a knee-jerking clown. If you have watched him this year (and I have), you can see he’s starting to dial in it much better lately and the results are starting to show.
YES, I believe his velo is still down about a mph or so, but he has still showing promising progression.
Thanks for a good analysis instead of the trite “Orioles got robbed’ and “he stinks’ madness.
I was hoping for Rogers and Scott for those two. Ah well…
But the O’s still need a closer. Does anyone want to see Kimbrel stumble and stagger his way through the rest of the season leaving blown saves and losses in his wake? BAL simply cannot leave their biggest screaming need unaddressed.
Mets “were in on him”
At least these two young players finally get too play and see what they got. Never really going to get a chance in Baltimore.
So the O’s give up this for Rogers and the best the Sox can do for Fedde, who’s better, is Vargas and a couple A-ballers and he had to throw in Kopech, Pham, and cash to make even that happen?
It’s legit mind-boggling.
Eflin > Rogers … I sure wish Norby was coming to St. Pete’s, but that would mean the RFO thinks they may be able to compete before 2027. Ugh. This season keeps getting worse.
And Stowers? Wow.
Ellias got robbed in broad day light here. I like Rogers but this was an overpay. The “best GM in baseball” takes yet another L
100% why the hell would they give up Norby for a pitcher with an ERA of 5.50, 4.00, and 4.50 the last 3 seasons? Roger’s will be in the bullpen at some point while with the Orioles. They 100% got robbed.
LFGMets – You are completely insufferable. Elias Derangement Syndrome?
@skinsandfw people like you don’t know anything. You just hear someone like Jeff Passan or any other MLB radio personality talk about how “great” Ellias has been and roll with it. You have no mind of your own. I’ve analyzed his moves. To me, anyone could have done was hes done. Its not hard to become good when you finish in last place for 5 to 6 straight years
Tell me, dear baseball expert, exactly how many baseball front offices have you worked in?
Two more years of control ain’t nothing. This isn’t just about this season. Still, the demands for the higher-tier options must be insane.
The early strikes for Eflin and Dominguez look better and better.
Wow! Jays fan and this kind of return is what I would have expected for the Jays to trade Bassitt for. I mean Rogers is a shadow of his former self and a mediocre nr5 starter at best. Just wow!
I’m just going to say, that if the White Sox have made me suffer through the worst year in the history of baseball, made me watch the incredible returns that some of these sellers are getting, and come out of it with Miguel Vargas and some other minor leaguers I’m gonna lose my sht.
Getz – GET… TO… WORK.
It’s Crochet’s fault for his stupid comments lol. He deserves to stay in baseball hell for screwing his and the whitesox’s chances at trading him lol.
Not saying you’re wrong, but that doesn’t make me feel better lol.
You guys are severely over valuing Kyle Stowers lol he’s a throw in type player. 4th outfielder. Norby should be just as a good as Ortiz plus a little power minus the defense. Which is good for Miami.
Yeah, but he didn’t need thrown in this trade. I think he could have been traded straight up and Norby kept on the roster. Don’t understand this at all.
Why the F is Baltimore obsessed with acquiring pitchers with ERAs in the 4.00s and almost 5.00s?
They like early playoff exits
Because they have faith in their ability to fix him. They clearly see Rogers as more than he is currently or they would not have paid such a steep cost to get him.
I think BAL still trades for a RP before the deadline.
Kimbrel skills are fading. Better used as a set up man
The potential of the 2 players BAL gave up have a wide range of course. You can only play 9 on the field, 26 man roster, 40 man roster etc. to protect from Rule 5. International Rule $.
BAL is in 3rd inning of HOU like ascent maybe.
Making WS 2 or 3 times in the next 6 years.
Rogers if he stays healthy (NO TJ etc.) could be essentially #2.5- 3.5 starter type plus LH are usually more valuable He is only age 27 and low salary 1.5M
BAL offense should be in Top 10. Play good defense and some speed.
May lose Santander and Mullins to FA in 2025
They would have to pay Burnes alot of $ to keep also
A team to compete with LAD machine for the next 5-7 years
I think Norby/Stowers both have too much swing and miss in their game to be impactful big leaguers but to give this up for Rogers sucks.
Don’t like it at all.
Now I know why the orioles were interested in pillar
I’ve been seeing Rogers’ improvement over the last month or so, which had me worried I heard the Marlins were shopping him. I’ll miss him, but it looks like a better than fair trade, even to me.
Brilliant. In 8 of his last 1o starts he has given up 2 runs or less, 3 runs in another game and 4 in another. Try again at comedy.
I’m guessing they see a mechanical fix in Rogers that will get his velo back up. Odd for a guy throwing 95 a couple years ago to be down to 91 w/o an injury.
So many people are freaking out as if this was a substantial overpay but in this market we just got a back end SP with 2.5 years of control for a 27 year old fourth OFer type and one legit but non top 100 prospect in Norby. Norby’s bat will play and it hurts to give him up but Stowers is not a real prospect anymore. He’s just a corner OFer with some pop who doesn’t get on base. You don’t get something for nothing and we added a cost controlled starter in an extreme sellers market without giving up multiple valuable pieces. The people reacting purely to this are (1) ignoring market realities, and (2) drastically overvaluing Stowers. Incorrect opinions about Stowers value is of course going to cause fans to err in their analysis of the trade.
Stowers might K 40% of the time in the majors. Norby too. Neither may amount to anything.
I just figured we’d get more for Norby. Defensively challenged hitter with K issues though. I don’t know if these few MLB AB’s solidified Elias’ thinking that he won’t be very impactful at this level or not. But we shall see.
This is not just a great return, it’s an ASTOUNDING return for Trevor Rogers, who isn’t even league average anymore, or barely so.
I’m surprised like everyone else but I don’t hate this move. all the whining about the O’s hoarding their prospects and how they were going to over-ripen in Norfolk… you can’t have it both ways.
“trade or don’t trade, there is no try.” -Yoda Berra
seriously, I do wish that Rogers was making his next flight with Tanner Scott back to Baltimore but I guess Elias couldn’t swing that. Another high leverage bullpen piece would be good. or two… although the clock is ticking. if they can get a decent set up guy AND Ryan Yarborough who was just DFA’d by the Dodgers, that’d be ideal as they could send Cionel Perez down to Norfolk and replace him with the former southpaw Ray/Dodger.
this has been a wild trade deadline. Flaherty, Robert, Scott, Garrett Crochet all still with their clubs. 3 hours to go.
What a return for the Marlins. Everyone’s critique of anything they do gets panned so I’m sure Norby and Stowers are overrated. Go over to Rotoworld, they despise the Marlins. They don’t even have anything to say about Miami’s return lol. At least MLBTR shows them some love !!
A very bad orioles trade… this will will come back and cost them. Not so much Stowers but that Norby is up and can contribute now vs a mid range prospect who is 2-3 years away
Great trade for Miami.
As I said previously, people in the comment section are going to be shocked when they see the return for this guy lmao.
Nice, 2 prospects down and only Trevor Rogers! great for the other teams in the AL east
Houston ruined it for everybody with the Kikuchi deal
Let the overpaying begin. Holy smokes!
Rogers is so mid. How in the hell is he returning that package. I saw O’s fans who were upset including Norby in freaking Skubal trades
I don’t think so.
I would have liked to see them get a bit more, like Taillon, for Stowers and Norby. The Marlins could have just picked up 2 every day, above average position players under team control for several years – great for them.
I see Rogers as average right now. I wince at the comparisons to Irvin because I am not an Irvin fan.
But if you look at it a different way, Stowers was blocked from regular playing time on the Orioles so he adds little value to 2024’s team and Norby didn’t seem to be a favored option either…and if the Orioles find a way to boost Rogers back toward 2021 form, this adds value. Say Rogers comes in game 3 of ALDS and pitches 7 innings and gives up 1 or 2 runs in a W, I think the trade looks better.
I would have liked to see more, but this tells me price tag was way too high on Skubal and Crochet, and the Orioles got antsy.
So it looks great for the Marlins and a big TBD for the Orioles – its just a lot on paper.
A lot can also be said for the environment. Roger’s at his best has never had a winning record in Miami. The mindset of playing for a team that isn’t in perpetual sell mode has to do something for the confidence. Plus, his numbers the last 3 months have been solid. He’s not in the class of Burnes, but a far cry better than Kramer or Povich. The cost for TOR guys has to be insane right now
Kremer’s outpitched this guy for 3 years. I’m hoping Rogers works out but I’m not penciling him in as being better than Kremer today.
Again, Marlins looking for all of the 2nd baseman apparently over the last 10+ years…
Seemingly hits, but strikes out a lot, though the Marlins are desperate for offensive impact, so that’s fine. Hasn’t looked good in short sample size, but being honest, aim surprised the Marlins were able to get as much as they did in this deal, with what I was saying earlier in the day…
Stowers hopefully gives them some type of immediate impact, though it seems as though he has been up and down the last couple of years
Trev hasn’t been the same since the tragedy a few years ago, and now he has totally lost his fastball, and can’t get away with the stuff he did before, as he never really had great command. He was someone that going into the season I didn’t want to trade back in November, hoping he would find some of his lost stuff, and potentially turn around, but he has lost even more off his fastball and the finish to his pitches, so while you’re hoping to avoid an Andrew Miller situation by getting rid of him now and someone potentially helping him find his stuff, but he also could have very little to no value left if things go any more south, and the Marlins aren’t able to trade the other pitchers they should have traded months ago either, so this at least brings back some value…
And as I said, I’m surprised they got what they got. I figured maybe they’d get a couple of international guys that hadn’t come over to the states yet, and maybe a middish level guy…
Of course, I could see this looking bad for them if he can find some of his stuff, b/c he has 2+ years of control left, and this otherwise seems more like a rental return, but in terms of direction going forward, like the other moves, it makes sense
B for Baltimore. They traded from quality surplus that doesn’t hurt their future. In this market they paid a fair price. Rogers has 2 more years. That cost $. They aren’t looking at his era. When they look at Rogers they really like what they see.
C for Miami. They did well and got fair value. No premium positions or defenders but 20 hr power guys.
Did the O’s just give up a better prospect than they gave up for Burnes?
I think they were about the same offensively.
Norby can play outfield and Ortiz is more or less only an infielder. Both were blocked on the Oriole depth chart.
Hall & Ortiz is a much better package but damn. Should’ve bought another arm in March.
O’s need to resign Burnes if they need to trade for pitchers with ERAs over 4. Why is everyone assuming they won’t. Has Burnes said he wanted to be somewhere else?
I would have expected to give this up for a Blake Snell rental. Orioles probably overpaid. Questionably if he even is an upgrade
That’s quite a return for a #5 starter.
Anyone feel differently now that the biggest name pitcher to move today was Flaherty to the Dodgers? Those guys who people were salivating over all remain with bad to mediocre teams and didn’t move to contenders.
I’m going to say Irvin production is a bad outcome scenario for Rogers and he’s most likely to do better. Norby and Stowers being blocked prospects were adding no value to the MLB club this year or next, it will be interesting to see what they do in FLA given PT.
i’m stunned that rogers would be the pitcher at the deadline to return a possible franchise altering return. norbys floor is worth rogers. if norby exceeds that and stowers turns potential into some sort of ML regular, that is an incredible return. higher than kikuchi’s? with similar, i have no idea what to expect out of either rogers or kikuchi down the stretch…..prices are unreal
Exactly. You wonder what the demand was for Skubal and Crochet. Probably Holliday plus something else.
The White Sox were unrealistically high last winter with Cease and now might be doing the same with Crochet who we’ll hear gum flapping about all winter now.
There should be no comma before “as well.”