MLB hit king Pete Rose passed away today at age 83, the Reds confirmed. One of the most accomplished players in MLB history, his decision to gamble on his team as a manager leaves behind a complicated legacy that has ultimately kept him out of the Hall of Fame.
“Our hearts are deeply saddened by the news of Pete’s passing,” Reds owner Bob Castellini said in a press release. “He was one of the fiercest competitors the game has ever seen, and every team he played for was better because of him. Pete was a Red through and through. No one loved the game more than Pete and no one loved Pete more than Reds Country. We must never forget what he accomplished.”
A Cincinnati native, Rose signed with his hometown team out of high school. The Reds called him up in 1963. Rose hit .273 while appearing in 157 games during his debut season. He won the NL Rookie of the Year award while establishing himself as Cincinnati’s everyday second baseman. That kicked off one of the most illustrious playing careers in league history.
Rose suffered through a sophomore slump but rebounded with a strong ’65 season. He led MLB with 209 hits while running a .312/.382/.446 line. He earned his first All-Star selection and a sixth-place finish in MVP balloting. That was the first of six straight seasons in which Rose would appear among the Senior Circuit’s top 10 in MVP voting.
Throughout the rest of the 1960s, Rose never hit below .300 despite the league skewing extremely favorably for pitching. He topped 200 hits in four of the final five years of the decade. Rose won consecutive batting titles in 1968 and ’69, securing his first two top-five MVP finishes in the process. He moved off second base to the corner outfield midway through that run and would secure consecutive Gold Glove nods as an outfielder in 1969-70.
Excellent as those performances were, Rose truly broke out as an all-time great in the following decade. He was an integral part of the budding dynasty in Cincinnati that would dominate the National League during the 1970s. The Big Red Machine won their first pennant in 1970, a season in which Rose hit .316 with an MLB-best 205 hits. The Reds were bounced by the Orioles in the World Series. After missing the playoffs in ’71, they returned to the Fall Classic in 1972 behind Rose and Hall of Famers Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan and Tony Pérez. They dropped a seven-game set to the A’s.
Rose again led the majors in hits in ’72. His 1973 campaign, at age 32, was the best of his career. Rose tallied a personal-high 230 hits while hitting .338/.401/.437 over 752 plate appearances. He won his third and final batting title, secured his seventh All-Star nod and won the MVP. The Reds won another division title but were knocked out by the Mets in a closely fought NL Championship Series.
The switch-hitter’s production tailed off somewhat in ’74, although he led the majors with 45 doubles and earned another All-Star selection. The Reds won 98 games but missed the postseason thanks to a 102-win showing from the division-leading Dodgers before the introduction of the Wild Card. Cincinnati returned to the playoffs with a 108-win season in ’75. They swept the Pirates in the NLCS, setting up a showdown with the Red Sox that’d go down as one of the greatest series in MLB history.
Carlton Fisk’s heroics in Game 6 pushed that Series — which had five one-run contests — to a deserved seventh game. The Reds came back from three runs down in the decider, scoring four times in the final four innings to win 4-3 at Fenway. Rose tied the game with a two-out RBI single in the seventh before Morgan drove home the winner in the ninth. Rose’s .370/.485/.481 slash earned him World Series MVP honors.
The Reds returned to the Fall Classic following a 102-win regular season the next year. This one was a lot less of a nail biter, as Cincinnati swept the Phillies and Yankees en route to a dominant repeat. Rose didn’t hit well in that World Series but had an MLB-best 215 to earn a fourth place MVP finish in the regular season.
Rose remained in Cincinnati through the end of the ’78 season. He combined for 402 hits between 1977-78 while topping .300 in both seasons. Rose left his hometown club to sign a free agent deal with the Phillies going into ’79. That ended a 16-year run in Cincinnati, over which he hit .310 with nearly 3200 hits in more than 2500 games. He continued racking up hits and All-Star appearances over five seasons with Philadelphia, where he hit .291 across over 3200 plate appearances during his age 38-42 seasons. He was part of three playoff teams with the Phils and won his third World Series on the 1980 club.
The Expos signed Rose for the 1984 season. While his stint in Montreal was brief and generally unproductive, he picked up his 4000th career hit that April. Rose joined Ty Cobb as the only players to cross the 4000-hit threshold. A return to Cincinnati set the stage for Rose to pass Cobb’s mark of 4189 career knocks. He did just that late in the ’85 campaign with a single off San Diego’s Eric Show.
Rose finished his playing days in 1986. He retired not only as the all-time leader in hits but also games played (3,562) and plate appearances (15,890). His durability was staggering. Rose led the league in plate appearances seven times. He had 15 seasons in which he came to the plate at least 700 times. Rose almost never missed a game despite the hard-nosed playing style that earned him his “Charlie Hustle” moniker — a reputation that endeared him to plenty of fans while no doubt earning the ire of those of other teams.
At the time of his retirement, Rose was a surefire Hall of Famer. The hits crown alone would have gotten him into Cooperstown with ease. Rose was also a 17-time All-Star, a former Rookie of the Year and MVP, and a three-time champion. He hit .303/.375/.409 with 160 home runs, 2165 runs scored (sixth all time), 746 doubles and 1314 RBI. No player got on base more often than Rose, who reached nearly 6000 times over his 24-year run.
While those records and accolades will never change, Rose’s seemingly inevitable Hall of Fame induction was halted by a bombshell revelation. Rose had acted as a player-manager with the Reds beginning in 1984 and continued to manage after his retirement from playing. Late in the ’89 season, MLB announced that an investigation determined Rose had bet on baseball. That included bets on the teams which he’d been managing. While Rose only bet on Cincinnati to win and there’s no indication he ever tried to fix any games, that’s a violation of MLB’s biggest rule.
A finding that a player or coach had bet on games in which their team was involved — whether to win or lose — warrants a lifetime ban. (That remains the case today and came back into play this past June when MLB banned Padres infielder Tucupita Marcano for life for placing bets on the Pirates while he was a member of the team in 2023.) In 1991, the Hall of Fame announced a policy that any person who had been hit with a lifetime suspension by MLB was ineligible for induction. Rose never got on the ballot.
Getting into the Hall clearly would have meant a lot to Rose, who unsuccessfully pushed for reinstatement in the decades following his suspension. That continued well into Rob Manfred’s tenure as commissioner. Manfred, maintaining that betting on baseball warrants a true lifetime ban, rejected Rose’s appeals. The commissioner did not directly weigh in on the Hall of Fame’s policy against considering induction for those on the ineligible list. With neither the league nor the Hall budging, Rose was and remains ineligible for Hall of Fame consideration.
Rose remained tangentially involved with the game as a media personality. He worked as an analyst for Fox Sports between 2015-17. His tenure with Fox came to an end after a woman alleged in a court filing that Rose had had sexual relations with her while she was a minor in the 1970s. The allegations surfaced well after the statute of limitations for criminal action had passed and Rose was never charged. Rose filed a defamation suit against former MLB investigator John Dowd, who first publicly alleged in 2015 that Rose had relations with underage girls during the 70s. The suit was dropped by mutual agreement in 2017.
Rose’s worthiness for the Hall of Fame has been a divisive topic among fans for decades. What is indisputable is that he was one of the most iconic figures in baseball history. His hit record will probably stand the test of time, as league batting averages have dropped sharply with the proliferation of strikeouts and velocity. Rose was among the best players of the 1960s and 70s and an instrumental figure on a Big Red Machine team stacked with Hall of Fame talent that won multiple championships. MLBTR sends our condolences to his family, loved ones, friends and former teammates.
TMZ Sports was first to report Rose’s death. Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Rest in Paradise Pete Rose and Dikembe Mutombo
thickiedon
And Kris Kristofferson
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Holy f*** celebrity deaths always come in 3s.
pt57
I’m pretty sure way more than 3 people died recently.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Yes of course. But it seems like celebrity deaths come in 3s though.
LordD99
I find they always come in tens. And then the next ten begins.
Robertowannabe1
John Ashton makes 5…..
pillow surrealistic
And the guy from Days of our Lives yesterday.
Non Roster Invitee
27 years old for rockers.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Maggie Smith passed away as well on Sept 27th.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
And John Ashton Beverly Hills Cop
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Damn. More sad news after the other. He looked terrible in health wise in Beverly Hills Cop 4.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wait, there was a 4th?
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Yeah. Netflix release. It was decent. Way better than the 3rd one. A lot of cameos. Including Surg.
acrease77
Straight to Netflix but not bad at all. More in the tone of 1 and 2. 3 sucked.
luca brasi
Maggie Smith was a class act. Pete Rose was not.
Robertowannabe1
Had cancer…..
Floyd Rayford's cat
And Maggie Smith
solaris602
Lest we forget the passing of Mercury Morris last week at 77
letitbelowenstein
Didn’t know about Dikembe.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Yeah this morning from brain cancer. 🙁
Very Barry
R.I.P.
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Our 2 former and current presidents brains have also passed away…
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I refuse to give Trump that title. Anytime he comes up in whatever kind of way. I’ll just say Head of State. But never the “P” in the title for him.
Unclemike1525
I always tried to see Pete as 2 different people. Player Pete and Manager Pete. I thought the player should have gotten into the Hall but I guess if you take the whole person together he should be out. He was a POS as a human being but has the most hits in baseball. Well I doubt it matters to him or anybody else anymore.
Cat Mando
He bet as a Player/Manager
vtadave
I mean, he sort of was the President, but you do you.
YankeesBleacherCreature
And the unapologetic gambling addict Pete. I read his autobiography My Prison Without Bars. He’s an arrogant jerk and it’s clear he’s truth-twisting but one can still appreciate the player.
desertbull
I bet you think that makes you some sort of intellectual huh?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Let us not forget that Pete Rose chose to sport a completely non-ironic Moe Howard hairstyle.
Do we really want to debate whether he made good life choices?
yanks2323
I met Rose at where he signs autographs in Vegas, he was by himself and I said Mr Rose I watched you when I was a kid and you’re awesome. Extended to shake his hand and he said ‘are you gonna buy something’ ah wtf? Nah, I said I was but you’re a jerk and walked away
Unclemike1525
Yanks- The more and more you listen to people the more stories like that you hear. I knew he was a jerk but didn’t realize the extent. I knew he was a reprehensible human being but when you add up all the good and the bad there’s way more bad. What an a**hole. Like I said he was obviously the only person who wanted him to be in the Hall so now we don’t have to hear about that anymore at least.
cguy
Try my reply above. Rose was most obiously not there signing autographs of his own accord. Not making excuses, but who’s in a cheery mood while being humiliated.
TheMan 3
one never had a brain to begin with except for the portion that he inherited from his father
Eighty Raw
Wishing paradise for a rapist sure is a choice
horaceallen
Pete died in Las Vegas, doing what he loved most.
cguy
Related (by marriage) to my wife, we saw Pete in Las Vegas on several occasions. We attended the spring Nascar race in Vegasfor and would go to a restaurant in Caesar’s Shoppes that had great crab. Anyway, Pete would be in a sports memeorabilia shop there signing autogrphs on jerseys, hats, etc, . Someone else taking the cash. My wife would go up and make family small talk, but I just stood back. I’d nod if he looked- but he was working and maybe a little humiliated- spending the day paying off some gambling debt, or more likely, satisfying the vig. Probably not loving that.
Rsox
R.I.P. Pete
baseballpurist
It’s a shame he won’t be in the Hall of Fame over gambling, but they’ll turn a blind eye to Ohtani.
Rsox
With the added hypocrisy of MLB getting into multi-billion dollar deals with several casino and betting apps. I’d like to think they aren’t that naive as to believe that the players aren’t using the apps, even if they are using pseudonyms
Johnny Angel
Ohtani excuse me no speak English
gbs42
Ohtani didn’t gamble, as demonstrated by a 37-page report from the Feds.
baseballpurist
The feds lol. Don’t be naive dude.
gbs42
bp, what do the Feds have to gain by lying? Don’t be a conspiracy theorist, dude.
baseballpurist
There’s no way he didn’t know where millions of his dollars were going. He is the MLB international golden goose and they can’t afford to lose him. So they simply bought the BS story and moved forward like nothing happened.
And conspiracy theorist is the term naïve people throw around.
gbs42
No one has produced evidence he did anything wrong, and they’ve explained what happened. If your theory – conspiracy or not – were to have *any* evidentiary support, that would be a reasonable start. As is, there’s nothing but supposition.
Saint Nick
RIP Legend. Should be in the Hall.
avenger65
Saint Nick: He will be now.
For Love of the Game
But too late for him to enjoy it, sadly.
NoNeckWilliams
He’ll enjoy it even more now.
Pads Fans
Rose agreed to a permanent ban from MLB and the HOF will not enshrine anyone that is permanently banned by MLB. Case closed.
bdvl83
Pads Fan can’t think independently or constructively. But.. Let’s Go Goose!!! That’s What’s In!!!!
stevenam
Pretty sure it’s a “lifetime” ban, not “permanent”. Assuming I’m right, he should now be eligible and elected to the HOF. Not a day sooner.
Blue Baron
stevenam: If and now vs later don’t matter to him now.
KingKen
No, it’s a permanent ban. That’s why Shoeless Joe isn’t in there either or anyone else from the Black Sox.
Johnny Angel
Now that agreement is null and void. The greatest hitter the game has ever seen can now take his rightfully earned placed in the Hof. The haters can bury themselves along with Charlie Hustles agreement. R.I.P. Pete.
Blue Baron
Johnny Angel: He was a pedophile and a sleazy character who was, to be polite, ethically challenged.
He will never be enshrined in the HOF, and that’s not worth losing any sleep over.
Franklin Souze
I bet it’s really dark, smelly, in the orifice where you’ve inserted your head……
Blue Baron
Franklin Souze: You know all about such things, huh?
sfes
Bonds is the greatest hitter ever.
Johnny Angel
BB do you go to the hall based on your onfield accomplishments or off field exploits. Your definition of pedophile is a reach and who are you or anyone else to judge someones ethnics.
Johnny Angel
You loved every minute of it.
George Ruth
No he isn’t & all of his accomplishments are subject to question because of his extensive Steroid use
paule
Not even close to the greatest hitter the game has ever seen.
Cat Mando
Johnny Angel…the actual term is ephebophile and he admitted to it. His excuse was…I thought she was 16 (the age of consent in OH at the time). He never took her across state lines as he knew it would be a fed crime.
George Ruth
IT’s a permanent ban
Robertowannabe1
Should not be enshrined at all. He walked by the signs posting the rules against gambling since the day he first set foot in his first pro clubhouse. He knew full well the consequences of gambling and willingly thumbed his nose at the rule then lied about it for years and never had shown remorse. For that he does not belong in the hall.
Blue Baron
Johnny Angel: I don’t judge anyone for their ETHNICITY. That would be bigotry.
But ETHICS are an entirely different issue.
Rose was known to be a statutory rapist, a felony that would have landed less famous people in prison.
Sorry not sorry, but I have no compunction about judging anyone for that kind of criminality.
On top of that, he was unethical in his conduct as a manager (and possibly as a player) to the extent that he got banned from MLB for life.
He did that to himself. Nobody made him a victim.
No matter how great a player he was, he was simply not a good person, and he will NEVER be enshrined in the HOF. Personally, I have no problem with that.
But go ahead , cry yourself a river about it.
Jean Matrac
Johnny Angel
“…you go to the hall based on your onfield (sic) accomplishments…”
Rose’s problem is that he tried to leverage his on-field accomplishments for for questionable off-field endeavors. Had he kept one separated from the other, his chances for induction would be better.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Blue Baron: you must be a brotha’ from another motha’…’ethically challenged’ is one of my favorite sayings. Not one I see bandied about much either.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Can we think of any HOF enshrined player who probably shouldn’t be there based purely on negative character traits or being ethically challenged and/or morally corrupt??
Franklin Nitty
Men lie, women lie, but numbers do not. You have opinions, and you have facts, the facts say you are wrong. 4256 hits. RIP Charlie Hustle, the greatest hitter of all-time.
Primitive Screwhead
He can go in the Rapist Wing at the Hall. He had a 14 year old girlfriend when he was 30, and there are credible stories of him screwing 12-13 year old girls at spring training.
The lying cheating rapist can rot.
Pads Fans
Permanent means permanent. Pete agreed to a permanent ban from MLB meaning he will never be eligible to be in the HOF and he is not around to appeal that ruling every few years anymore and no one can appeal on his behalf. just like Shoeless Joe, Pete will not be enshrined.
Cat Mando
There are many lists of the greatest hitters ever… Rose sometimes cracks the top 15 but rarely the top 10. In 1994, Ted William’s, himself one of the GOAT compiled a list using his own formula (which later basically became SLG% and Rose didn’t crack the top 20.
Most who want to call him the greatest hitter ever base it on total hits. If that is the case than career BA has to be considered. After all…..hits….right? Rose is tied at 178th all time.
But how can that be? He played 24 season just like Ty Cobb and TC has a lifetime BA of .366 (#1 all time). Like you said…have to look at other numbers…..
Games -3562 500+ more than Cobb – PA – 15890 2700+ more than TC – AB-14053 2600+ more than TC
If someone wants more modern stats… career oWAR Rose is tied for 30th.
Yes, despite being a pig and egomaniac he deserves credit for the most hits but he isn’t even close to the GOAT hitter.
As for Bonds….that is where we would disagree.
Pads Fans
The facts are that Pete gambled on baseball, he lied about it for years and years, and after he was caught red-handed, he agreed to a permanent ban from MLB.
He was a great singles hitter that played a very long time. He was FAR from the greatest hitter of all time. Great arguments about who is the best hitter of all time. Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Rogers Hornsby, Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, Lou Gehrig, Ty Cobb, Oscar Charleston, even Aaron Judge and Mike Trout are in that conversation. Pete is never mentioned in that conversation. He is down the list along guys like Victor Martinez, Paul Konerko, and HoJo. That is because there is more to being a great hitter than singles. Even when it comes to just getting hits, Pete is not listed in top 30 in hits in a season.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@PadsFan Tony Gwynn has to be on that list, no?
Dickiesox
Ty Cobb
Dickiesox
From the HOF website regarding election criteria:
General character, disposition, loyalty and effort.
Blue Baron
OK, Franklin Nitty. Numbers don’t lie, and that’s why he served 5 years in prison for tax evasion.
Pads Fans
What does that have to do with Pete Rose?
Johnny Angel
Permanent bans can be lifted especially after death. Nate Colbert was a great hitter according to Padre fans so considering the source, your opinion of Charlie Hustles place on that list, is unimportant. 4000 plus hits Howard Johnson? Laughing so hard I’m puking. Over 200 hits 10 times Paul konerko ? I’m laughing at you so hard I’m crying.17 time all star, yes you read it right.300 career average Over 3500 games played knucklehead. Over 2000 count them 2000 runs. Victoria Martinez???? Come back when you actually know something about this game and not copy and paste from baseball almanac.
Blue Baron
Johnny Angel: Keep puking. But it won’t get Rose’s ban lifted.
Oldhalo
I wonder what Ruth could have done with a bit of steroids in his life? I’m a little biased and prefer the purity of the game myself. Bonds was a doubles hitter and then evolved into the best “productive” hitter in the game. He was without question the best, and was a monster but there really is no way of really knowing how much of that was due to steroids and that’s just it…. You can’t always measure the impact of cheating when it comes to the numbers which is why there really isn’t a place for it in baseball. Neither Bonds or Rose have walked a straight line but if I had to compare Rose to Bonds, strictly on field production, I would probably lean towards Rose simply because his numbers were probably real. A true representation of his talent, and not enhanced. Rose was a great on the field athlete without the enhancement of drugs and Bonds was probably good, might have been great? I don’t know because he skewed it with the steroids.
Cat Mando
It isn’t and never was a “lifetime” ban.
Rule 21d
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
lfcredsox
ty Cobb is in the hall of Fame, spare me the he’s not a good dude BS
Blue Baron
Ty Cobb was never accused of betting on baseball and banned from MLB.
You’re comparing an apple to an orange.
Johnny Angel
I thought you were dismissed.
Johnny Angel
Wrong.
Blue Baron
No Johnny Angel, we dismissed you and your ridiculous, misguided defense of a slimeball.
You really should learn that it’s better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression of being an ignorant fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
gbs42
Johnny, Rose is far from “the greatest hitter the game has ever seen.” Most ≠ greatest.
George Ruth
Not as long as the Hall of Fame keeps in place the Ban on Players who have been been banned by MLB & Rose remains on the Banned List
BaseballisLife
Pete Rose still not going into Hall of Fame. His MLB ban was permanent not ‘lifetime’ apnews.com/article/rose-hall-of-fame-d3da8832097f2…
Eighty Raw
Pete Rose at age 32 had sexual relations with a 14-year-old
astros_fan_84
I think keeping him out of the Hall is the correct legal decision, but it diminishes the HOF more than it does Pete Rose.
astros_fan_84
It was 7 years ago, many teams were cheating, and with the advent pitch com, it’s relevant
Blue Baron
astros_fan: No it doesn’t. That’s just being pretentious.
buns cherington
no
ba2929
Well his lifetime ban just ended so he’s technically eligible for the Hall of Fame now
Clofreesz
It’s permanent. Not lifetime. Even when Rose is dead, I don’t think he’ll ever be back.
Johnny Angel
Semantics. Stop hating. Hof .
Blue Baron
Johnny Angel: Slimeball who will never get in.
Johnny Angel
Says The morality Baton.
differentbears
Words have meaning. Permanent means… permanent.
Blue Baron
Johnny Angel: Says numerous people in, you know, positions of authority.
As I said elsewhere, go cry yourself a river.
Blue Baron
Clofreesz: Death is indeed permanent. Nobody comes back from there, Christian Jesus mythology to the contrary notwithstanding.
CardsFan57
Joe Jackson is still not in.
avenger65
Not being in the HOF doesn’t really matter. I’m just glad I had the privilege of watching him play.
paddyo furnichuh
You got to watch Shoeless Joe play?
Wow avenger-what’s your secret? A salad and sip of red wine a day?
Clofreesz
Shoeless Joe? I thought he hated that nickname.
Franklin Souze
I concur, however we are not in agreement on his HOF induction.
I have amended my opinion on Petes induction after MLB unconditionally embraced the degenerate gambling & internet gaming industry.
Bart Harley Jarvis
We can agree that Pete Rose was a great baseball pitcher, in addition to being a complete tiece of ship.
Bart Harley Jarvis
*player
Non Roster Invitee
Pete disliked “Charlie Hustle”.
C Yards Jeff
@avenger65; I’m not a fan of the HOF.
Who gets in and who doesn’t get in is too often at least partially based on the player’s relationship with the voters (media). A media darling like Gaylord Perry gets in but a guy like Bonds does not. Both cheated (I prefer calling it “gamesmenship”). Hell, Perry even writes a book and in it admits throwing an illegal pitch. What a crock.
gbs42
CYJ, it’s cheating if it’s against the rules.
Blue Baron
CardsFan57: But Joe Jackson was inducted into the Rhythm and Blues Hall of Fame in 2014.
Bauer? But I Hardly Know Her!
Wanna bet?
Cat Mando
Note the last 2 words….it isn’t and never has been “lifetime”
Rule 21d
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
Dustyslambchops23
Rule 21d now sponsored by Bet365
Cat Mando
I don’t like MLB being is business with such sites but Rule 21 still stands and is still posted (the only rule that is) in every single club house and any player using such sites is still subject to it.
Dustyslambchops23
Those rules were posted in clubhouses when MLB put morals above profit.
They don’t have a leg to stand on now.
Robertowannabe1
@Dustyslambchops23–The rule still stands. You and I are free to bet on Baseball. All pro baseball players and team employees are still banned on betting on the sport. Same with every pro sport. MLB has both legs to stand on still.
Dustyslambchops23
You can’t demonize an industry and then open that same industry to unlimited sponsorship and ad space.
especially with kids watching it’s embarrassing baseball allow them in, the power of greed never fails. Kids now will grow up being desensitized to gambling, and some of those kids will be future mlb players.
Robertowannabe1
I dislike the sports betting push myself. Sports talk used to talk about the sports, players, teams etc. Now it is all about fantasy leagues and sports betting in general. It is not just baseball it is every sport and every sport has rules against betting on its games by players and its employees. Just because it is legal for fans to bet does not make it right for participants of the sport to bet on games involving their league. Does not offer a pass to Pete just because we can bet on the games. If he never bet on baseball until after he retired their would not have been an issue. He bet starting when he was a player/manager and continued until he was forced to quit his managing job. He lied for years about his betting and never showed remorse. Never should be allowed to be in the Hall of Fame because of the lying and lack of remorse.
Dustyslambchops23
The MLB is actively grooming and encouraging a next wave of gamblers to come through the MLB.
It’s not an excuse for Pete as it was a different time, however he’s done much worse in his life. I’m of the mind that only your baseball activity should be part of a HoF resume, the rest is subjective.
Bart Harley Jarvis
I read somewhere it’s possible to remain a tiece of ship beyond the grave.
Blue Baron
ba2929: He doesn’t care now.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
They should put his statue ACROSS the street, then people can make BETS on how many people get run over by tour buses…….
drprofsps
RIP, sad he will not be around to collect his HOF plaque!!!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Hard to collect a plaque when you dont ever get in.
bdvl83
When you realize Holier than thou arbitrary bestowments aren’t the be-all end-all.
Dumpster Divin Theo
True that, Papis in, but not A-Rod? Might as well be the Rock and Roll hall.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
If Menudo gets in I’m done listening to Top 40.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Dave Matthews
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Foo Fighters
Bart Harley Jarvis
Pixies
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Now wait a minute son. Are you saying the Pixies are on the same level as Foo Fighters, Dave Mathews Band, and Menudo??? Them’s are fightin’ words!
Bart Harley Jarvis
Well, not Menudo, of course. Apologies!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Foo Fighters are no Menudo. More of a poor man’s Ricky Martin. Dave Matthews are to rock what Blues Traveler are to the blues.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The Pixies were legit though up thru ‘Trompe Le Monde’…
Dumpster Divin Theo
Pixies will always be legendary due to Fight Club. Best ending ever
Dumpster Divin Theo
And my neighbors dog used to howl to Here Comes Your Girl
Bart Harley Jarvis
I think ‘Indie Cindy’ is also a pretty solid album, and they’re still great when performing live.
Frank Black (without the Pixies) is touring his 1994 album ‘Teenager of the Year’ this winter, and that will be a very good show.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Los Angeles
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I love his first two solo albums. Saw Frank Black live in a small club here in my hometown about 15 years ago. Smooth.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Great song (and album).
Bart Harley Jarvis
Great thread. I’d much rather talk about Frank Black than Pete Rose.
redsredsreds
RIP Charlie Hustle
Degaz
RIP Hit King….now go kick Giamatti’s ass!
Robertowannabe1
Bart made him break the gambling rules and lie about ? Who knew??
HopefulTwinsFan
I’m absolutely devastated that he didn’t get to see himself restored to the MLB and enshrined in the Hall before his death. Absolute legend. We hope that you will rightfully get your spot in the Hall soon, Pete.
Dice 66
Yes Yes Yes!! F…. Rob Manford! Ban is A…ss! Hope Bart Geamonti,Fay Vincent burn!!
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I hope whomever replaces Manfred’s id10t a** unbans him. It will be bittersweet but he’s finally came clean (not sure when) but I’m glad he came clean before he passed away
avenger65
Hopeful: It doesn’t matter whether he’s in the hall or not. We all know he’s right up there with Ty Cobb and Joe Jackson. He’ll always be revered even while baseball (and all other sports) promotes gambling.
Cat Mando
And shall we overlook his affair with a 14 year old girl too?
His excuse…I thought she was 16.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cat Mando
I agree with you. The underaged girl is worse than the gambling.
But I think you have issues posting this so many times on the day of his death unless you are related to the underaged girl. You have posted the same thing half a dozen times. Give it a rest for a week.
Cat Mando
When so many praise someone who broke the only rule posted in evert single club house since the 1920s. A rule he saw thousands of times and snubbed his nose at and people defend it…No.
When the guy was a married 30-something , doing a 14-15 year old and uses that lame excuse because 16 was the age of consent in OH at the time. When he only saw her in OH because he knew taking her over state lines was a fed offense…. No.
Just because he passed away does not change fact. Would you feel the same if had been your daughter?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cat Mando
I would wait a couple days following his passing rather than lower myself. These are knowledge readers, they know the story. You are saying this for yourself, not to change minds.
DMiles5149
Just make sure you don’t ever forget how much of a hero you truly are.
Cat Mando
Knowledge readers all of them? Really? Explain the great number who said….now that he is gone the ban is over?
Explain the number who have posted…I never knew about the ephebophile thing.
You can believe what you like…that I am doing it for myself but it is no different than explaining to someone that the Earth is not flat and covered by a dome.
You also have the choice to skip over what I post and not reply…or are you doing that for yourself.
So….if someone had “r@ped” your daughter and others were praising him you “would wait a couple days following his passing rather than lower myself.”. Sorry, that is lowering the life/love of your daughter.
I have said me piece in the back and forth…won’t be continuing our back and forth on my end. Have a nice day.
Billy Baroo
You have a lot of faith that his last statement was really truthful.
I never bet on baseball.
I mean, I never bet on MY team.
I mean, I never bet on my team TO LOSE. .
He was a compulsive gambler. He’d have hung his entire bullpen out to dry to win a game if he had enough money riding on it.
Cat Mando
He was in so much debt to the Cincy bookies he started dealing with NYC mob bookies. He went heavy into debt with them and they threatened him and his family.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
If you guys think what Pete Rose did extra-maritally in the 60’s & 70’s was horrifying , do not do any deep digging into what your favorite star or even bench player or manager got themselves into on road trips away from wifey at the team hotel or hopping nightclub. Sexual Revolution Debauchery Hour for the Rich & Famous
Cat Mando
Logjammer D”Baggagecling……..Actually no….he continued to swear that he never bet as a player, “just” as a manager even after confirmed bookie betting slips were discovered in 2015 showing that he did indeed bet on games as a player/manage and games he played in.
His whole life was spent lying….it never changed.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
That’s an interesting way to deflect the reality of the situation.
sn33
He “came clean” only to make money selling a book. And even then he wasn’t telling the entire truth. People who act like he just started betting as a manager and not a player are very delusional too. “Well Pete said he didn’t bet as a player” oh why didn’t you say so? Haha He has plenty of chances to “come clean” and do the right thing and he declined. Never say never but I wouldn’t expect it any time soon.
Blue Baron
Dice 66: I don’t have the crayons to explain your atrocious spelling of MANFRED and GIAMATTI.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Fay Vincent is still amongst the living, so you’ll need to hold off on the eternal, fiery damnation for the time being.
NYCityRiddler
@Hopeful, I couldn’t have said it better myself. It’s a shame, a damn shame. Period.
Eighty Raw
He’s a rapist
Franklin Souze
Eighty Raw
Yeah….. well if we can elect & now run a convicted Rapist, moral coward convicted of 34 felonies Prez then Charlie Hustle certainly deserves his HOF plaque….yes?
Bart Harley Jarvis
@Franklin Souza,
It’s hard to argue with that morally ambiguous logic, but logic, nonetheless.
Pads Fans
In what world do two wrongs make a right? The answer is no. Pete is permanently banned from MLB. He cannot ever be enshrined into the HOF as a player.
micg
Franklin Souze you are a clueless tool. Prove any of that with facts.
gbs42
Hopeful,
“absolutely devastated?”
It’s a game, and he knew he was breaking the rules. I wouldn’t get so down about it.
Gmen777
Okay MLB you got what you wanted now do what’s right and put him in the hall where he belongs! RIP Charlie Hustle
Joe says...
What does MLB have to do with it? The HOF is privately owned and MLB has no say in who gets in and who doesn’t.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Exactly.
I was really hoping this wouldn’t devolve into a thread about his not being in the HOF.
Let’s take this time to celebrate his accomplishments and the way he played the game, forever Charlie Hustle.
RIP Mr. Rose ….. thoughts and prayers to your loved ones.
Pads Fans
The HOF will not enshrine anyone permanently banned from MLB and Rose agreed to his permanent ban.
sn33
@Gmen- Just so we are clear “MLB you got what you wanted” are you implying that Major League Baseball wanted Pete dead? Because that is a reach I have never heard someone be ridiculous enough to make before and I thought I had heard every piece of nonsense I could about Pete haha just wow
Blue Baron
Gmen777: He doesn’t belong there, but it doesn’t matter now.
deepseamonster32
Hall of Fame tomorrow!
Cat Mando
Rule 21d
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
Shall we overlook his affair with a 14 year old girl too?
His excuse…I thought she was 16.
I Believe We Can Win
Put him in the hall where he rightfully belongs.
desertdawg
Should have done that 10 years ago, MLB blew it.
Card AG
What happened 10 years ago that it should have been done then?
paddyo furnichuh
Was that about the time the news broke about the minor who Rose allegedly (likely) had a sexual relationship with? Quick search has it closer to 2017
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wait who did Pete blow 10 years ago?
letitbelowenstein
They have cheaters in there, but no Pete. I lost faith in the Hall ages ago. It’s a joke now with guys like Harold Baines in there.
paddyo furnichuh
If you read the story and details, Rose likely cheated on his wife, one time with a the 14 year old.
Though cheating was the lesser of the alleged misdeeds.
Cat Mando
Shall we overlook his affair with a 14 year old girl too?
His excuse…I thought she was 16.
I Believe We Can Win
It’s the hall of fame who’s criteria is what accomplishments did you accumulate as a baseball player
Not the hall of moral values and ethics. There’s definitely a few guys in the hof who opposed Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier. Some racists too
Jean Matrac
That criteria for the HoF applies to every player eligible. Pete Rose, along with Shoeless Joe Jackson, are ineligible.
The issue of ethically challenged players in the HoF is a separate issue.
I Believe We Can Win
Yet we allow cheaters like Hornsby admitting to cheating, Perry admitting to greased balls, Whitey Ford admitting to cheating, Hank Greenberg admitting to stealing signs.
Jean Matrac
Again, the issue of ethically challenged players in the HoF is a separate issue.
If betting was allowed, every result comes into question, There’s a difference between running the risk of suspension by using PEDs to gain a few feet on the FB, versus bringing doubt into every game, pennant race, or WS title.
BaseballisLife
The HOF criteria for voting are not only about your stats. Best check what the rules are.
Blue Baron
I Believe: Maybe he wrongfully belongs, but definitely not rightfully.
I Believe We Can Win
Based on his baseball stats he belongs in the hall of fame for baseball as a player.
MLB literally promotes betting sites these days and players can bet on nfl nhl soccer any sport these days.
Ppl acting like him betting on his team to win games like he murdered people is weird.
Blue Baron
Nobody is acting like he murdered people. If they were, he would’ve been tried and convicted in court and put behind bars for life.
But he did go to jail for tax evasion and gambled on his team. He earned and agreed to a lifetime ban, so he doesn’t get to be in the HOF, which doesn’t really matter now that he’s dead.
His punishment fits the offense.
Jean Matrac
I see what your problem is; you can’t see the difference between baseball players betting on the NFL, and them betting on MLB. The opportunity for abuse is immense in the latter. And if you allow baseball players to bet on their teams to win, what’s to prevent them from betting on their teams to lose? And if you know anything about betting, it isn’t simply about winning or losing. MLB banning any player that bet on baseball makes all the sense in the world, and is clearly justified.
Ronk325
It’s a damn shame the man never got his HOF enshrinement while still alive. Lifting his ban and finally allowing him in is the least Manfraud could do now
Bobcastelliniscat
What is a shame is he was so arrogant that he didn’t think rules applied to him. Spoiler alert: they did.
TheMan 3
show me one superstar that isn’t arrogant
stymeedone
Barry Sanders
Cat Mando
Shall we overlook his affair with a 14 year old girl too?
His excuse…I thought she was 16.
Fever Pitch Guy
Man – Mookie Betts.
Now can we please get back to paying our respects to Mr. Rose
Bart Harley Jarvis
Mike Schmidt.
MWeller77
Different sport, but Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and the late Dikembe Mutumbo come to mind
Blue Baron
Michael Jordan
themed
Kind of like trump huh?
Blue Baron
themed: Exactly.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Micky Morandini
Blue Baron
Theo: Hardly a superstar.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Of unassisted triple play fame!
Longtimecoming
Barry Bonds says, “what?”
Cam
Lifting the ban would mean re-opening the investigation, which Pete wanted to avoid. There’s a reason he agreed to the ban even after it was discovered he bet on games.
Still, HoF BS aside (which will make up the majority of this post, not the guys actual accomplishments), RIP Pete.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
It’s a damn shame he bet on baseball while being an active participant.
Blue Baron
Ronk325: Why? It doesn’t matter to him now.
MPrck
What a rotten dirty shame, they kept him out of the hall. Anyone who watched him play knows the truth of that. Despicable ! .RIP . IT WAS A JOY TO WATCH YOU.,
showmebb
It’s not a shame; he agreed to the ban.
Bobcastelliniscat
Agree. Pete broke the rules. He deserved the ban. I hope it is never lifted.
mlb fan
“Deserved the ban”…For me, Pete Rose was baseball for an awfully long time, but his legacy and history has always been complex, intricate, controversial and complicated.
Pete misplayed his hand numerous times when he could’ve had the ban lifted or shortened. He broke some of MLB’s most time honored and cherished rules. But, all of that really doesn’t matter now.
Pete’s now in a better place and he’ll have to now answer to a much higher authority than MLB. Love him or hate him if you like, but I’ll always be a fan of the man known as “Charlie Hustle”. R.I.P Pete Rose.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Ruck Fete Pose.
Blue Baron
Jart Barley Harvis?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Sure, why not!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Vogue
Gwynning
He agreed to Bart’s ban on the condition they revisit the terms “soon” as Bart wasn’t in good health at the time. Alas, Bart passed before said meeting could take place. It was speculated that the “permanent” ban would be rescinded, but here we are… so many years later. Regardless, rip.
mlb fan
“rotten dirty shame..they kept him out of the Hall”…There’s this weird thing called “accountability” and as a HUGE fan of “Charlie Hustle”, it must be said that Pete Rose kept himself out of the Hall of Fame.
Without the numerous off field controversies and sideshows, Pete Rose is a first ballot HOF LOCK.
thickiedon
MLB fan, what happened to “Some of us are trying to pay our last respects…”?
Heed thine own advice
Robertowannabe1
@mlb fan—betting on baseball while a player/manager is an on field controversy.
differentbears
Pete Rose’s pronouns were they/them?
Because Pete Rose kept Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame.
Blue Baron
MPrck: Exactly. The truth is he was a slimeball to such an extent that he will never be enshrined.
He was despicable.
bmp010
RIP. Glad he passed in Vegas, the place he seemed to love most. Put him in the HOF
TheStevilEmpire1
RIP Charlie Hustle. Baseball’s most polarized figure and complicated legacies.
He was banned from baseball for life, now his ban is lifted. He should still be elected to the HOF as a player.
Pads Fans
It was and is a permanent ban that he agreed to. If he had admitted he bet on baseball, he might have got in after death. Might.
Cat Mando
It isn’t and never was a “lifetime” ban, TheStevilEmpire1.
Rule 21d
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
Shall we overlook his affair with a 14 year old girl too?
His excuse…I thought she was 16.
Eighty Raw
R*pe of a 14-year-old
YankeesBleacherCreature
RIP Charlie Hustle!
kgcubs
Aloha folks. Wow, Mr Hustle has left us. I sure hope if the mlb can cover/protect a certain former Angel and his gambling situation that the ban on Rose can be lifted. He deserves to be in the HOF. RIP Mr. Hustle Rose. Mahalo
Gwynning
A hui ho! Aloha
kgcubs
And hui ho to you bradduh! BTW I miss Tony G very much! My father was a collegiate coach in the islands, started the program at this college on Oahu. His good friend was the head coach at UH Hilo on the Big Island. Well, he asked my dad if he’d like to come over and see his series versus SD State. You know who the head coach was and because my father was known for his work with pitchers they wanted to introduce him to this guy name Strasburg. My father had a great time meeting the whole team then talking shop with “coach” Gwynn late into the evening. He said such a gracious man, humble and like Rose played hard and left it all on the field. One of my heroes growing up! Mahalo Nui Loa!
southi
Charlie Hustle. Man what a hard nosed ball player. Very intense on the field.
Some loved him and others hated him. There wasn’t much in between.
He wasn’t a great person, but I still think the game is diminished by his absence.
Blue Baron
southi: Crap. Every player eventually retires and the game and life go on without them.
Jean Matrac
If you believe that the game is diminished by his absence, which is debatable, he has only himself to blame. I don’t think the game is diminished. None of his stats have been expunged. The records are there for anyone to see. But the fact that he isn’t in the HoF doesn’t diminish the game IMO, at all.
IHLgulls
I agreed with his lifetime ban. I also agree that he should now be enshrined. R.I.P.
citizen
Alex Rodriguez gets 1 year + year ban for steroids now mlb on fox thinks he’s a great cue card analyst.
MWeller77
It’s a joke that Rodriguez has a broadcasting career, but it doesn’t change the fact that Rose broke baseball’s cardinal rule
Pads Fans
It is a permanent ban, not a lifetime ban.
Blue Baron
IHLgulls: What difference would it make now that he’s dead?
mlb fan
R.I.P Pete Rose aka “Charlie Hustle”.
warnbeeb
I hope he knew almost all of us knew he was a Hall of Famer. RIP.
Blue Baron
warnbeeb: Wouldn’t matter, would it?
Yanks4life22
To think a pedophile went his entire life without facing any consequences is sad enough. To see people celebrating him is even sadder.
Van Lingle Mungo
Glad someone else said it.
PhilliesBob1980
Well said sir.
Datashark
I had to look it up, I never heard that before, I guess technicality let him off.
i believe we can lose
Exactly. And yet we have the idiots on here saying Giamatti & Vincent should burn in hell. Nope. Rose was a POS human being. May “Chuckie Run Fast to First After A Walk” rot in hell.
Datashark
There are many bad humans in HOF, I think that Pete Rose lifestyle was not of moral character and should never be modeled after.
Keeping within limits of game though he was a legend.
off the field he was a dirty rat but there have been many rats selected to HOF – he may be king of all rats though throwing in the pedo thing.
sgord03
He admitted to being with someone who was at most 16 while he was in his 30s and the only reason he ‘thought she was 16’ at the time was because of the age of consent in Ohio. Thats not a bad rat. That’s a monster. Can’t think of anyone I know with a daughter who would want them at 16 to date a 30 plus year old….
Blue Baron
Datashark: Sorry, betting on his team was not “within limits of game though.”
Datashark
I was referring to when he was a “player” not a manager.
I get the betting part because he could use certain pitchers/batters when he needed them to win a bet and other games he would let falter because he had no skin in the game.
Jdt8312
RIP Pete. My condolences to the Rose family.
SkenesandSlopes
Baseball has lost a legend. Played the game hard.
Clofreesz
Wow. What a complicated life for this man.
He was one of my favorite players growing up. He gave this game such joy that it made baseball look fun again. I will always remember his runs to first base and his headfirst slides. But he loved the game too much.
Rest easy, Hit King!
olmtiant
He played the game RIGHT.. enough said..
Datashark
I agree but he should have let up a bit at that all-star game.
TigersLoveCinnamon
Is that you ray fosse?
Gwynning
Even Ray Fosse wouldn’t know, Tiger!
TigersLoveCinnamon
Oh he would know. I remember watching and listening to a’s games in 90’s and early 2000’s. He would take every chance he got to take a shot at Pete
Blue Baron
olmtiant: But he disrespected the game WRONG. Enough said.
greg1
Sad to hear that Charlie Hustle is gone. Any dude who runs over a catcher in an All-Star game could play for me any day.
I guess the bright light is he’ll likely be elected into the HOF by the Vets committee now. I’m so annoyed that he didn’t get a chance to be elected while he was alive. Last I checked, betting on baseball didn’t get him 4,256 hits, being a great hitter did.
Bobcastelliniscat
He is ineligible for the Hall of Fame. He is permanently ineligible. The suspension survives his death. He was a miserable human being betting on baseball was the least of his transgressions. I am a life long Red’s fan. I hope he is never inducted into the HoF.
greg1
I understand that he may not have been a good human being, but all you need to do is look at the guy who he took the hits record from (Cobb) to see a disgusting human being.
Admitted racist, intentionally ran over a child with his car, admitted to trying to end other guy’s careers. The list goes on, and he was a charter member of the HOF.
To quote Leo Durocher, manager of the Giants and Dodgers, and bulldog player, “I would sign Hitler to play 2nd base for me if it would help us win the pennant”.
It’s not just these two guys either, there are horrible human beings in every major league’s HOF. I don’t care what kind of person they are, all I care about is that they were a good enough player/coach/broadcaster/etc. that they deserve to be enshrined into the their HOF.
TigersLoveCinnamon
@greg He was a pedophile. Justify that
Pads Fans
3 of the voting rules for enshrinement in the HOF are about CHARACTER. Not about skills on the field.
Cobb was NOT a racist. That has been proven to be BS. Pretty much EVERYTHING in the book you are trying to quote has been proven to be BS or embellished.
Rose AGREED to a permanent ban from MLB in order for MLB to close the investigation into his gambling on baseball. We KNOW for certain that he broke the only MLB rule that is in every clubhouse. There was certainly more to it or Rose would not have agreed to permanently never be able to be a part of baseball again and never be enshrined in the HOF.
greg1
I’m not justifying that, just like I am not justifying Ty Cobb intentionally running over a child, Rogers Hornsby’s admitting his membership in the KKK, Ray Lewis beating the wholly heck out of woman, etc.
Fine if you don’t want Rose in, but be ready to kick out Landis, Hornsby, Cobb, Durocher (womanizer), all the 1970-1980’s coke heads, and more, as they were all terrible human beings as well.
greg1
You’re right, everyone has their own moral code and tolerances. Personally, I can separate the player from the Human Being, some people can’t.
Eighty Raw
Cobb was actually for integration. And was a far superior human to Rose
Pads Fans
The HOF can’t. That is why they have 3 voting rules based on the players character and off the field actions.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
Ty Cobb didn’t bet on baseball while playing.
Pads Fans
Cobb never intentionally ran over a child. That has been totally discredited, There is no evidence that Hornsby was in the KKK, only a rumor that Emil Fuchs reportedly told a Boston city councilor that he was, Hornsby denied it, Stop with the intentionally spreading misinformation.
mlb.com/news/ty-cobb-amazing-facts-and-stats
What is not discredited rumor is that Rose bet on baseball as a player and a manager and that he AGREED to a permanent ban from MLB which makes him ineligible to be enshrined in the HOF.
That you are trying to say that two wrongs make a right just shows your own lack of character,
Blue Baron
greg1: What a crock of BS. Nobody’s getting kicked out of the HOF based on hearsay to justify Rose’s exclusion.
greg1
I didn’t say people will be kicked out, I said that if character is what holds Rose out of the hall, then there are others guys that never should have been elected either based on their character. Obviously tongue and cheek on actually kicking them out.
As for some of you ripping me for inaccurate info on other players, calling Pete a pedofile also comes with some context. The girl was 15, claimed she was 16, which would have made her legal in the State. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CONDONE HIS ACTIONS, PERSONALLY, I FIND THEM GROSS. When I hit 21 years of age (I know Pete was older), dating anyone under that age of 20 would have made me uncomfortable.
To summarize though, as Charles Barkley once said, “we are not roll models”. We know kids and adults look at athletes as such though, which is what makes this argument fascinating to me. On Rose’s game alone, he deserves inclusion. If you look at the total Pete Rose “package”, then it’s about whether you can accept the fact that not all of the guys in sports are decent human beings.
Blue Baron
greg1: He was a PEDOPHILE in any context.
And true that we are not ROLL models. Nor are we bagel models, muffin models, or ROLE models.
I find Google to be quite helpful with spelling.
Jean Matrac
greg1
“I said that if character is what holds Rose out of the hall, then there are others guys that never should have been elected either…”
There’s the fallacy in your argument. Rose was not kept out of the HoF because of the character issue. He was kept out because he was/is ineligible. Rose was banned for gambling on baseball. That ban makes him, and guys like Joe Jackson ineligible for the HoF. The fact that Rose was morally corrupt is irrelevant. It’s not the reason he isn’t in.
greg1
Are you really bringing up a spelling error?! Hope you have better things to do in your life moving forward.
Blue Baron
greg1: Are you really making spelling errors?
Don’t make them and I won’t bring them up. Do you have any idea how ridiculous it is to say ROLL model instead of ROLE model?
It’s not just spelling. The two words have completely different meanings, but you are somehow ignorant of that.
Was English not your first language?
greg1
Is English my 1st language? Classy buddy.
I guess if autocorrect makes an error and I don’t bother to read my post over again before hitting the button it makes me unintelligent and unable to effectively use the English language.
I guess I’m ignorant then, especially as I’m sure sure I spelled this word correctly either Arsehole
greg1
Not arguing with you at all for why he has not been elected until this point, you’re 100% correct. Now that he has passed away, I suggest that he should now be considered for election. Some of the responses I received suggested that his character should not make him eligible permanently. That is when I argued back that if you believe he should continue to held out of the HOF, then I said character issues would eliminate others that are already in the hall.
Let me clarify one more time for those who have responded to my posts.
1) While gambling on baseball doesn’t get a player 4,256 hits, he gambled, and was dealt with in a similar manner than anyone else would be if they bet on Baseball, a lifetime ban.
2) Knowing that this was Baseball’s policy, and the players/coaches, etc. were aware of the policy, I agree that his lifetime suspension was justified.
3) AFTER his death I asked the question as to whether he could/should be elected to the HOF now, and giving my opinion that I believe he should be.
4) Most responses said no and referred to his character as to why not now that he has passed.
5) I made my comments that I can separate the athlete from the human, and made reference of other players who have had questionable characters that could be a reason for putting Pete’s character aside.
greg1
Cross out that sure sure, and make that not sure.
Jean Matrac
Reasonable points, except that, as others have pointed out, it’s not a lifetime ban. Rule 21 states that gambling, as was employed by Rose, results in permanent ineligibility.
Making it permanent, not lifetime, is for deterrence. If Rose were to be inducted now, someone qualified to be inducted, but also ineligible, could reasonably assume he’d eventually go in as well. Knowing that Rose will never get in might be the deterrence needed to cause others to weigh flaunting the rules and, the impact gambling will have on any HoF aspirations.
greg1
Well said Jean, it’s fair that with it being a permanent ban,that carries on after death.
Blue Baron
greg1: There’s no way pedophile autocorrects to pedofile.
Your carelessness is a sign of a lazy intellect. Fortunately for me, that’s your problem to live with, not mine.
greg1
Wow, you seem to like to talk a lot! Are you any action, or just a mouthy troll who hides behind a computer.
You can comment on my intellect all you like, obviously you seem to feel like you’re of Superior Intelligence.
Little background on me, in order of importance:
30 year relationship/marriage to a fantastic woman
Great 18 year old son who is about to be playing baseball either in university or professionally
I own my own successful small business
I enjoy a glass of wine, a bowl of pasta and sitting on my deck with my wife listening to music
So, I have plenty of money, have a great family life and have not stressed about anything in my life for a decade or more. You my friend might have a higher IQ, but that doesn’t mean that you’re not a miserable little shrew who likes to play tough guy behind a computer. Congrats on peaking in life as an online troll.
Blue Baron
You should ask my wife, family, 300+ clients, and private banker about my life and investments, especially about the property I just sold for $7.9 million.
But if it makes you feel better about yourself and your lazy mind, go ahead and call me a troll.
I’ve been called worse by far better people than you.
greg1
You know how I know you’re a loser, you spent much of your post above talking about your 300+ clients, private banker, and your $8M property you just sold.
You know who brags about items such as that? Sad little people who believe the amount of possessions/money they have proves their intelligence. I would suggest that you were an insecure, unpopular kid who now flaunts his wealth as a way to “show it to everyone that I’m not the loser I was in High School . Congrats buddy, you have a lot of money. So do I, but the difference between you and I is that I don’t talk about it or try to use it to impress others. No one’s impressed my friend, trust me.
Now, if you would like to continue running your mouth at me, let me know and I will gladly give you my phone number so see can discuss. Of course you will say no, using the excuse of you’re too good to waste your time talking to me. The truth is though, that doesn’t allow you to hide behind your keyboard.
Blue Baron
I don’t need to prove or explain anything to you.
Keep trying.
greg1
Hadn’t planned on going on with you this long to be honest.
To put this whole thing to bed, why don’t you and I just not bother responding to each other’s posts. I have much more to enjoy in life than spending time arguing with you, and I’m sure you feel you do as well.
Pads Fans
Says the guy who posted in excess of 2000 words on this thread.
Johnny Angel
Because he went to Philly.
Blue Baron
Johnny Angel: How is his going to Philly relevant?
sn33
“Any dude who runs over a catcher in an all star game can play for me any day.”
Ruining a guys career with a cheap shot in a meaningless game is something you find heroic and should be applauded? That says a lot about who you are as a human and it’s not flattering.
Also remember not only was the guy a cheap shot artist who disgraced the game and lied about it for years while playing victim he was a pedophile.
That is who you worship a cheap shot degenerate disgraced liar who has sex with minors. Yikes.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I am saddened by this..As person….he was troubled but still….100%….he should be in the Hall of Fame..!!!!!
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
For what? Dying?
Gwynning
RIP Petey
Datashark
HOF, Like one of many got to see him in Las Vegas when he resided just outside of Luxor – I actually got to spend 20m talking sports with him.. He was not all that nice to my kid, but he played the game hard and I got a photo with him and my family + signature
Blue Baron
Datashark: And?
positively_broad_st
I lived near Dayton when Pete came back to Cincinnati to manage and play for the Reds. His return galvanized the fan base and the team. I was fortunate to attend Opening Day 1985. Pete hit second and did his patented head first slide on a double in the first inning. His energy was off the charts. Anybody who evaluates Pete Rose, the baseball player, solely on his stats (which are pretty ridiculous, even as a compiler), then you never saw the man play. Pete Rose was a field general throughout his career. A difference maker. A winner.
Pete Rose, the man, was truly flawed. I went from loving him to despising him once I saw him hawking his autograph on a sidewalk in Cooperstown on induction day in 2000, mere minutes after his fellow Reds Tony Perez, Sparky Anderson, and Marty Brenneman were inducted. That’s when I knew that he was lying about his baseball gambling, knew that he was self-centered and greedy; knew that he only cared about himself. Pete just couldn’t let them have their day. He wanted some more spotlight and money.
I’m on the fence about whether the player should get into the HOF, but I’ll never think well of the person. That being said, I hope he’s at peace.
R.I.P. Hit King, aka Charlie Hustle…
CravenMoorehead
Rest In Power, Hit King. Sad day for baseball.
MWeller77
From Wikipedia: “Rest in power (a variation on rest in peace) is an expression used to mourn, remember or celebrate a deceased person, especially someone who is thought to have struggled against systemic prejudice such as homophobia, transphobia, racism or suffered because of it, particularly in black and LGBTQ communities in the United States. It has been used to eulogize victims of hate crimes while protesting the social inequality and institutionalized discrimination that may have led to their deaths.”
This absolutely does not apply to Pete Rose.
Rest In peace? Sure. I don’t begrudge Pete Rose his rest.
But he was absolutely not a victim; if anything, he was a predator.
Blue Baron
MWeller77: What are the dead resting for? They’re not going to wake up.
Old York
Guy played the game with more passion than all the players in the league currently. Too bad we treat players like pampered babies nowadays.
Primitive Screwhead
Call him by his full name, Statutory Rapist Pete Rose.
Inner-circle Hall of Infamy.
Kash Considerations
You’re aptly named as well!
Van Lingle Mungo
Guess you’re ok with pedophilia. Good to know.
Kash Considerations
I’m not, Mungo… just don’t see the sense in kicking a dead man when he’s down. Do you feel better for this? Then I’m ok with it, just feels weird bro.
Van Lingle Mungo
Yes, by all means, let’s have a moment of silence for the dead pedophile.
Primitive Screwhead
Well, *my* full name is Primitive Screwhead Who At Least Has A Moral Compass Unlike Pete Rose Defenders, but it’s a mouthful.
TAKERDBACKS
Such a shame should have got in the Hall
Mustard Tiger
People who bet on baseball while playing or managing (or both in Pete’s case) do not belong in the Hall of Fame. Ever. He was a great player but he crossed the line that calls for the baseball version of the death penalty.
UncleJesse
Let us also not forget his “underage” relationship….
Yikes!
Old York
@Mustard Tiger
But as long as one testifies in court that one accepted a bribe to throw the World Series, they can be admitted to the Hall of Fame.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
Nice deflection
Jean Matrac
Old York, How do you figure that? Shoeless Joe, along with 7 of his teammates, have a permanent ban, and will never be inducted. Jackson’s crime was not betting on baseball, but taking a bribe from gamblers to throw the WS. He testified that he took the money but did not do anything with the intent to lose. His stats back that up. But he, along with the other 7, is still banned. Not sure where you get the idea that a player can accept a bribe and be inducted, when there’s an example of 8 guys who can’t.
citizen
Now will Rose get into the hall of Fame? Charlie hustle.
Foreget all this .242 is a great batting average these days but player had great exit velocity.
He won 3 World Series. probably threw a few games. Dead people can’t gamble. Something to bet on?
Primitive Screwhead
Not a lifetime ban, a *permanent* ban. He doesn’t ever get in, as things stand now.
Datashark
.242?! who are you talking about Rose has a lifetime .303 average – if he didnt hang on the last two years it would be even higher. I never saw him walk to firstbase on a walk
Citizen1
I meant the standards are low these days, not in roses era.
Pete did have one of the best baseball jokes : as Pete rose attended an all star game one year, some media announcers asked how well Ty Cobb would play in todays game. Pete responded “”Well Ty Cobb would hit .274, steal 20 bases and have 70 rbis.” .274?!? Questioned the the sports announcer.
Rose responded, “Well , Ty Cobb would be 80 years old.”
Jean Matrac
Citizen1, If that’s true, then Rose is guilty of plagiarism as well. It was documented in the book “Cobb”, by Al Stump, that firstly, it wasn’t a joke, and it was Cobb himself who said it.
When Cobb was asked how he might have done against some of the contemporary pitchers, like Warren Spahn, Don Drysdale, Sandy Koufax, Whitey Ford, etc, Cobb said probably .290. When the interviewer said something like, wow, you hit over .400 several times, and hit .366 for your career. You really think the pitchers today are that good? To which Cobb replied, “Well, I’m 72 f—–g years old you ignorant son of a b—h”.
hiflew
RIP Charlie Hustle
Now back to the postseason sponsored by Bet365, DraftKings, and FanDuel.
warnbeeb
While he should be, he won’t be inducted into the HOF. He will forever be this era’s Shoeless Joe.
3 finger split
Great player but he will NEVER get into the HOF but if he does then so should Shoeless Joe Jackson.
Datashark
Shoeless should be in regardless its a travesty about him.
buddydeal
Giants fire Farhan Zaidi but Reds don’t fire Krall!? Unserious org. R.I.P Hit King
frugalfarhan
Pete played the game the right way and if he was half as good at wagering he would have been in the hall when he retired
MikeBSoxFan
Put him in the HOF this year and be done with it. He had the stats long before the gambling allegations.
Primitive Screwhead
He also screwed little kids.
hiflew
He wasn’t screwing “little kids” It was supposedly a 16 year old girl In 1973, that kind of thing was thought of differently than in 2024. It’s not a great thing to have done, but not even illegal in most places at the time. Don’t make it sound like he was prowling the playgrounds or something.
case
Wander Franco, is that you?
Primitive Screwhead
You missed the stories about him having 12-13 year old girls delivered to him at spring training.
And when he was screwing a 15-year-old, he was 30. Don’t defend this guy.
hiflew
The man is dead and this happened 50 years ago. Maybe you should let it go.
Cat Mando
So if some married 30-something was doing your 14-15 year old daughter (his excuse was he thought she was 16) what would be the time frame for you letting it go, hiflew? Just wondering.
hiflew
1) i don’t have a 14-15 year old daughter, so the question is moot. 2) This supposedly happened over 50 years ago, so no one really knows what happened if anything. You cannot condemn a man without proof and there is no proof of something that happened that long ago. 3) If I did have a 14-15 year old daughter and it did happen, It damn sure wouldn’t be 50 years pass before anyone found out about it happening because they would have been fishing his body out of the nearest body of water in 1973.
So the woman’s father has a perfect right to condemn Rose, but that is not you. It’s not your daughter, so once again why won’t YOU let it go? The only people that know what happened in 1973 are either dead or a 65 year old woman. Are you either of those? If not, then you don’t know what happened and maybe you should live you own life instead of project into something that may or may not have happened.
Skeptical
Tell that to Felipe Vasquez. The Pirate pitcher was convicted in 2021 of having sex with a 13 year old, served a sentence and was deported last December. Granted, Rose was accused of having sex with an “older” girl, who was 14. Sad, how people are willing to check their ethics at the door. And people wonder why the US has so much crime.
Cat Mando
“You cannot condemn a man without proof and there is no proof”….Ummmmmm……Rose admitted to the “affair” but only after the woman went semi-public. Dowd knew of it but could not prove it just like he knew Rose, despite his denial, bet while a player….then years later the betting slips were uncovered.
“but that is not you. It’s not your daughter” well there is an interesting hill do die on. By your logic (or lack thereof) no one has the ” right to condemn” unless it’s their relative (and it seems to be even more so if it is someone hiflew idolizes). Says a lot about your “values (or lack thereof).
By your statement I can only guess that if a 30-something was doing a 14 year old in your presence, that was not your kid, you would just turn away as it would not be your “right to condemn”
Have a nice day, I can’t stomach anymore of an interaction with someone who gives a pass to another because the idolize them. Someday you should read the Dowd report and get a glimpse of what Rose was like as well as subsequent statements from Dowd. You may just open your eyes
hiflew
I was asked about what I would do if it was MY daughter and I explained that it was my daughter I would be understandably upset. But since it is not my daughter, I am not all that worried about it. If you want spend your life getting upset about people you don’t even know, then good luck to you. That’s not my job.
“I can’t stomach anymore of an interaction with someone who gives a pass to another because the idolize them.”
Aw damn, and I was just going to ask if you wanted to exchange Christmas cards this year too. BTW, I don’t idolize the man. I don’t idolize ANY man. I was never even that much of a fan of his. But I don’t judge people based on things that happened before I was born.
hiflew
I said I would murder someone that did it to MY daughter. I didn’t say it was OK or reasonable. Nor did I say it was OK to just generally do this to anyone that commits that offense to anyone, They have police to arrest people and have judges to judge people. I am neither, so if the victim is not someone I am related to, then I just don’t care, Sorry if that bothers you, but I guess you will have to learn to live with that disappointment in me. I have, so it’s possible you can live a normal life with that knowledge..
Primitive Screwhead
hiflew, you are morally deficient.
TheMan 3
accused is not the same as convicted
Don'tBeDumb
Hiflew Y I K E S BRO
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
I bet the girls and their families have a hard time “letting it go.”
Don'tBeDumb
TheMan3 you: “I see a lot of smoke coming from my house, but it’s probably fine. Smoke is not the same as fire”
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
Except for the small wrinkle of breaking the cardinal rule of gambling while playing.
all in the suit that you wear
RIP
upsidedowncake
Well, you know what they say: “Fail to follow the rules every step of the way in life, or suffer permanent consequences that follow you until your death, even if you die in a year where MLB made hundreds of millions of dollars from the revenues of online sportsbooks.” Words, I think, we can all live by.
Pads Fans
All time great player. Among the all time worst persons in MLB. Not just the gambling on baseball games and the lying about it for decades. His pedophilia is even worse.
Maybe if you had come clean and repented even a little you would be enshrined in the HOF. Now it will never happen.
Hope you get what you have coming in the hereafter Pete. You certainly earned whatever stripes you have to bear.
blueblood1217
RIP Pete A definite Hall of Famer regardless that baseball hasn’t put him in
KingTiger
RIP Pete. You played the game between the lines the way it was supposed to be played. As for the HoF, this changes nothing. Put him in the day AFTER Shoeless Joe.
Flanster
Didn’t really care for him as a person, but as an all-time great MLB player, I believe he absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame
damancash
Should have been in the Hall of Fame Years ago
DarrenDreifortsContract
RIP to the greatest hitter of all time. It’s a tragedy that he’s still not in the hall of fame.
mad1
Hardly, MLB was correct in keeping him out
Cat Mando
There are very few rankings that even put him in the top 15 let alone the greatest and that is not even considering the gambling and being an ephebophile
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
I just learned a new word unfortunately
Eighty Raw
Mickey Tettleton has a higher career wRC+; that scumbag was overrated and now he is dead
OhioDodger
HOF or not, he will always be the “Hit King”.
Pickle_Britches
And That means Bonds will always be the HR king.
Don'tBeDumb
Ok fine but Ichiro is my Hit Daddy
explodet
Looks like that lifetime ban is finally over.
Cat Mando
It isn’t and never was a “lifetime” ban.
Rule 21d
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
Shall we overlook his affair with a 14 year old girl too?
His excuse…I thought she was 16.
Don'tBeDumb
“it was 50 years ago babe” -Pete Rose 2022
bobbyvwannabe
Buddy Harrelson is waiting for you, Pete.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Or Woody
letitbelowenstein
Pete played the game the way it was meant to be played and gave the fans their money’s worth. RIP, Pete.
mlb fan
“The game the way it was meant”..Pete Rose only had one speed and that was 110%+, often even running full speed on the way to 1st base after a routine walk. In person(or on tv) fans always got their money’s worth watching Pete Rose.
Niekro floater
RIP Charlie Hustle
Ezall98
Reinstate him now that he’s passed away so he can take his rightful place in the HOF please. Manfred do the right thing!!
Primitive Screwhead
What other pedophiles do you want to enshrine in the hall?
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
I take it you don’t believe rules serve a purpose.
TribeFan88
RIP, Pete!
Pickle_Britches
I mean he wasn’t out all night drinking and beating his wife. Give the dude some credit
Cat Mando
He wasn’t home with his wife because he was having an affair with a 14-15 year old while the wife was home with the kids….His excuse…I thought she was 16. Straight up ephebophile.
themed
Kinda like trump
MWeller77
This is an incredibly low bar, Pickle
Cat Mando
Can’t limbo under that sucker.
Jean Matrac
Find a copy of “Bunts” by George W[ll. One of his stories is of how Rose brings his girlfriend on a trip to a card show where he’s selling autographs. His friend, who is driving, knows nothing about her accompanying him until the last minute. Rose’s wife shows up up at motel mad as hell suspecting what’s going on. Pete and his friend spend hours trying to convince her that the other woman is with Rose’s friend, not Rose. They finally convince her, whereupon Rose goes off to sleep with his girlfriend. His friend says something like, what are you doing, we spent all that time convincing her, and now you’re going to do this? Rose’s response was, I didn’t drive 200 miles to sleep with my wife. Besides being morally corrupt, he doesn’t sound very smart either. Then there’s the story of his wife, a different one, punching one of Rose’s girlfriends in the face, when she saw her driving Rose’s Porsche.
Butter Biscuits
Will MLB celebrate him during the playoffs?
Pads Fans
No.
wvpirate
R.I.P Pete. Your play on the held will never be matched. Loved watching you play.
Badfinger
A lot of people sure love criminals these days.
Brew88
Well said
ib6ub9
RIP Pete. Welcome to the HOF.
Cat Mando
Why?
GarryHarris
I began sharing these All Star rookie teams to draw attention to some lesser known players. However, after Babe Ruth, Pete Rose is the most well known player in MLB.
1963 Rookie All Stars (Mine)
C HOU John Bateman
C DET Bill Freehan
1N CHW Pete Ward
2B CIN Pete Rose
3B CLE Max Alvis
SS MLN Denis Menke
LF MIN Jimmie Hall
CF CLE Vic Davalillo
RF CIN Tommy Harper
UT PIT Bob Bailey
UT NYM Ron Hunt
SP CHW Gary Peters*
SP NYY Al Downing*
SP PHI Ray Culp
SP DET Mickey Lolich*
SP BAL Dave McNally*
RP MIN Garry Roggenburk*
RP STL Ron Taylor
RP PIT Tommie Sisk
RP LAA Julio Navarro
RP PHI John Boozer
Pickle_Britches
If he accepted a lifetime ban obviously he didn’t want them to investigate into further years and potentially expose more corruption.. betting against your own team is equivalent to being a snitch lol.
Melchez17
Put him in the Hall of Fame… the lifetime ban has ended.
Giants78
Agree! RIP Charlie Hustle.
Cat Mando
Melche…
It isn’t and never was a “lifetime” ban.
Rule 21d
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
Shall we overlook his affair with a 14 year old girl too?
His excuse…I thought she was 16. Straight up ephebophile
Slibb
Incredibly sad to see this much support for a sexual predator.
Blackpink in the area
You would think the pop up ads i am seeing would be for sports betting.
MattStats5
What a complicated legacy. Once of the greatest ever broke the golden rule. Integrity matters. He belongs on baseball’s Mount Rushmore, but definitely not in the Hall of Fame.
halloffamernobodycares
Not complicated at all. He’s a Hall of Fame player. Period.
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
Except he isn’t. Period.
PutPeteinthehall
I’ve always said he belongs in the hall as a player. However also did not belong in baseball after his gambling became known.
raulp
Sad news, I still had hopes that in some way they’d leave the ban on him before passing away. RIP Pete, you’ll always be the greatest.
tigerdoc616
Pete Rose is on the permanently ineligible list. That doesn’t end with his death, and Manfred did address that when Rose last applied for reinstatement in 2022. HOF changed the rules after Rose accepted his ban that anyone on that list remains ineligible for the HOF. So Rose remains ineligible for the HOF even in death. The only way he would become eligible for the HOF is for MLB to remove him from the permanently ineligible list or the HOF to change its rules again. Neither is likely to happen anytime soon.
His playing career is certainly worthy of the HOF. But he bet on baseball as a manager and that is clearly against the rules. Even now with MLB more in bed with gambling than ever players are not able to bet on the game. Rose violated the trust of the game and all of its players, coaches etc. And it wasn’t just a one time thing. He did it over and over and over again. The Dowd report was pretty damning, which is why he accepted his ban, they had him dead to rights. He mistakenly thought that if he didn’t fight it and accepted his punishment, that MLB would eventually reinstate him.
People will compare what Rose did to the steroid issue, but they are not the same thing. Apples to oranges so to speak. This is not to say steroids are not bad, they are. But steroid users still have to go out and perform. Betting on baseball also comes with the specter of fixing a game which damages the integrity of the game in ways that steroid use cannot. So stop it with the steroid comparisons. NOTHING excuses what Rose did. He did so knowing it was against the rules. He accepted the punishment.
halloffamernobodycares
We all know he’s a Hall of Famer. Let the politicians politic.
When the Hall of Fame became and if/then induction process, it lost its luster with me. You may think differently, but I think either you’re a first ballot Hall of Famer or you’re not. Always have felt this way. When you’re comparing stats to “prove” you belong based on other people already being in there, it gets watered down and meaningless.
Meh. Rose definitely a Hall of Famer. Everyone knows that.
Don'tBeDumb
Opinions are one thing, facts are another.
Here’s an example of a fact: Pete Rose is not and never has been a Hall of Famer
Here’s an example of an opinion: your 2 cents is worth every penny
dasit
1980 with the phillies was imho his finest hour. his at-bat against ryan in game 5 of the nlcs is legendary, as well as his catch in WS game 6. mike schmidt said rose was the greatest teammate he ever had
Attystephenadams
RIP Pete Rose. Your accomplishments on the field are well documented and worthy of recognition. IMHO the HOF is for a deserving few, and character counts. He was certainly a character, but not one that belongs in the HOF. I recognize that there are others enshrined in the Hall who were not good men, but that does not excuse Pete’s actions. He knew the rules, he broke the most serious one, and he voluntarily agreed to the permanent ban. He deserves to be a pariah, and should never be admitted. His records will still stand in spite of that.
3768902
He’ll get in next summer now, right?
Cat Mando
Nope….It isn’t and never was a “lifetime” ban.
Rule 21d
(2) Any player, umpire, or Club or League official or employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon
any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible.
Shall we overlook his affair with a 14 year old girl too?
His excuse…I thought she was 16. Straight up ephebophile
Windowpane
A terrible human being.
Billg7987
One of the greats. Though I think his gambling issues should forever keep him out of the MLB Hall of Fame brought to you by DraftKings because by putting him in the MLB Hall of Fame brought to you by DraftKings we will forever condone and even encourage gambling in our fair sport.
New New Buccoprojectory
RIP Pete condolences to his family.
Maybe the baseball gods will put the man in the HOF where he belongs
Twins_guyTJZ
Now talk about the underage girls that he molested during his 30s and older. The man was a trash human being.
TheMan 3
currently there’s a trash human being running for president who has been convicted of 34 felonies
Manfred Rob's Earth Band
I’m not sure what that has to do with baseball. Nice deflection though. 9/10.
New New Buccoprojectory
It’s a sad day when anyone dies that the trolls slither out of the woods. Then say the most ignorant things about Pete Rose.
Beware of karma
Eighty Raw
Yeah like saying “RIP” about a trash human
Attystephenadams
Oh, and BTW, Buddy Harrelson has been waiting for this day since 1973 to finish things…hope you’re ready for him, because he sure got the better of you that day!
diehardfantd
Pete Rose is one of the greatest baseball players and his record of 4256 hits would require a player to play more than 21 years of 200 hits seasons in order to catch him which I don’t believe will ever happened rest in peace Pete rose it was fun watching you play
Bobby smac9
Read the Dowd report
This one belongs to the Reds
I could write a book about my memories of the Reds in the 70s.
It really hit me hard when I heard Pete died and was only 83. Another player from my youth gone.
But more than that, I remembered him as a great ballplayer before the rest came down. Whatever you may think of the man himself, and he was admittedly his own worst enemy at times, he was a hell of a ballplayer, on pure grit, because the talent was achieved through hard work.
A great example of what someone with not all the natural talent in the world can achieve, if you work hard at it.
This one belongs to the Reds
Rest in peace, Pete. Maybe you’ll finally find some peace now.
Niekro floater
Even if he was betting on his own team to win, it effects how he managed. Soto starting on mound gave em best odds of winning, he started Soto 18 times on short rest that season, year before he only pitched on less than 4 days rest 7 times. Ruined soto. Pete was out for Pete. RIP
Rest In Piss Pete
Pete was out not just for Pete, but underage girls
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Maybe know that Pete is deceased he will be put where he belongs (HOF).
Rest In Piss Pete
Should be for the “lifetime” of the hall of fame, not his lifetime.
Pads Fans
Pete agreed to a permanent ban. He is not eligible for enshrinement in the HOF. It doesn’t matter that he is dead anymore than it matters that Joe Jackson and the rest of the Black Sox are dead.
The_M4N
Character? Kenasaw Mountain Landis is in.
Gambling? I think I see a gambling ad every commercial break on the Network. Plus, the “Unicorn’s” interpreter bet millions, but the Unicorn didn’t know???
Keep Rose out, okay. But can we honestly argue character and gambling?
Rest In Piss Pete
He was a pedo.
vtadave
Not real sad to see a kiddie diddler dead. I did like sliding head first on my HS team, though my coach wasn’t a fan.
Rest In Piss Pete
It’s funny everyone ignores that to only focus on the gambling. Very telling of people that defend him.
Eighty Raw
He wasnt even that good! Best ever season: 154 wRC+. That was his ONLY season with a wRC+ above 150!
Pads Fans
Exactly. Ted Williams averaged 187 wRC+ for his career.
Jean Matrac
Not only did Williams average that, but he lost 3 years of his prime, ages 24 – 26, as a naval aviator in WW2, and played only 6 games in 1952, and 37 games in 1953, when he got recalled to the service, and sent to Korea. His military career caused him to miss 727 games. Imagine what his numbers could have been without the interruption of those wars.
Johnny Angel
Thanks for teaching Michael Jack Schmidt how to win. You were the greatest hitter I ever saw. No doubt Hof. Banned for being Pete rose. Outrageous.Rest in Peace.
wvpirate
Now let’s rename the Buster Posey rule to the Ray Fosse rule. For anyone who saw that All Star game and collision between Pete Rose and Ray Fosse will understand.
Silas
MLB UNFORGIVING HYPOCRITES
Acoss1331
Rest in peace Charlie Hustle. May you join Joe Morgan in the field of dreams.
Veejh
Pretty sure “comments blocked” is incoming.
Rest In Piss Pete
Happy for him. Pedos deserve to rot
wvredsfan
I realize character isn’t an issue for Hall of Fame voting, a lot of jerks are in the Hall… but come on people, Pete gambled and agreed to his Lifetime Ban… and there is also the lil thing that kept the Phillies from honoring him… enough said
Rest In Piss Pete
Lifetime is not his lifetime. It’s the lifetime of Major League Baseball. Meaning permanent lack of eligibility. Plus he was also a pedo, like wander and Felipe Vasquez
phillyballers
News: Pete Rose has died at 83, brought to you by Bet MGM and DraftKings.
HiredGun23
RIP Charlie Hustle…