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Manfred: Sasaki Unlikely To Sign Until 2025

By Anthony Franco | November 20, 2024 at 7:51pm CDT

Roki Sasaki is one of the offseason’s top stories. The Chiba Lotte Marines announced two weeks ago that they’d make the 6’2″ righty, who is widely viewed as the best pitcher in Japan, available to major league clubs via the posting system. While the Marines didn’t specify a timeline for the posting, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred confirmed this afternoon that Sasaki is not expected to sign until 2025 (link via Johnny Flores of the Athletic).

That doesn’t come as any kind of surprise. The 23-year-old Sasaki is classified as an amateur free agent — as are all players signing from a foreign league before their 25th birthday. That’s most notable because it caps Sasaki’s signing bonus to a few million dollars, a small fraction of his actual open market value. The amateur status is also relevant to the timing of his signing.

MLB permits teams to sign international amateur free agents at any point between January 15 and December 15. The vast majority of significant deals are inked on January 15. Players signing as teenagers out of Latin America usually reach verbal agreements with teams months or years in advance of the signing period. Those deals are typically finalized as soon as the period opens in mid-January.

As a result, teams have spent most or all of their bonus pools for 2024. Baseball America’s Ben Badler wrote last week that the Dodgers had the most remaining ’24 bonus space at roughly $2.5MM. By contrast, every team has between $5.1MM and $7.6MM in its pool for next year. If Sasaki were to sign before December 15, he’d be limiting himself to a small percentage on a bonus that is already capped. He’s not eligible to sign between December 15 and January 15, so he’ll wait until the opening of next year’s pool.

Of course, that presents a problem for players who have already reached verbal agreements that they expected the teams to finalize on January 15. The amateur bonus pool is hard capped. Teams can trade for bonus allotments to add a couple million dollars to their pools, but there’s a finite amount of money that MLB allows teams to spend. (Players who sign for $10K or less are exempt from the pool, but any prospect of note will sign for much more than that.)

Whichever team signs Sasaki will likely commit most or all of their pool to him. As a major league ready potential ace, he’s far more attractive to teams than even the most well-regarded teenage prospects in the class. The signing team will probably need to renege on verbal agreements with other players, who’d find themselves in flux as they look for other teams that have reached unofficial agreements with targets of their own.

If Sasaki waits into late January or February to sign, teams will need to weigh whether to finalize any commitments to other amateur players — which subtracts from the amount of money they could offer the NPB star. Badler’s piece is worth checking out in full, as he covers the trickle-down impacts that Sasaki’s free agency could have on players and trainers in Latin America. None of those are Sasaki’s concern. They’re unfortunate consequences of the system that was collectively bargained between MLB and the Players Association.

While Sasaki isn’t likely to sign before the middle of January, the posting process could begin earlier than that. A player posted by an NPB team has 45 days to sign with a major league club. The Marines could theoretically post Sasaki anytime from December 2 on to allow him to sign in the ’25 window. They’ll presumably wait at least into the middle of December so as not to force him to sign within a day or two of the opening of the signing period.

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  1. johncoltrane

    7 months ago

    So if tms can discuss deals ahead of time with intl prospects, can a tm get a verbal commitment from roki and have him sign immediately on jan 15?

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    • Brian Cashman Fan

      7 months ago

      He’ll begin negotiating with teams as soon as he’s posted, which is no longer than December 15; as such, I do expect him to sign either on January 15 or very shortly afterwards.

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    • Gwynning

      7 months ago

      Your logic almost makes perfect sense, coltrane… but Cashman is right. Because Roki is currently under contract with Chiba Lotte, he is unable to speak with MLB teams until he’s posted. If we’re all spitballin’ here, I suspect he’ll be posted around Dec 15th, at which time he can talk to everybody (and potentially verbally commit, though unlikely…) but he won’t sign until Jan 15th at the earliest.

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      • MacGromit

        7 months ago

        I’m sure that back channel communications are being had even as well read this article.

        I doubt his camp and organizations will be caught flat footed.

        that having been said, most folks assume that it’s just the Dodgers who have Roki to lose.

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        • Gwynning

          7 months ago

          If I were wearing Dodger blue (barf!) then I’d be careful counting my chickens before the eggs hatch, just saying…
          That being said, I doubt any FO is willing to void a potential signing by tampering through any back channels. Landing Roki is too important to not be legit. They won’t be caught flat-footed with a modest idea of where things are now and then 45 days to talk in earnest.

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    • mrkinsm

      7 months ago

      Manfred is stating the obvious, he’ll sign between January 15th and the report date for pitchers at spring camps…no sooner and no later. So he’s getting posted no earlier than December 2nd and no later than December 31st.

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    • JoeBrady

      7 months ago

      My guess is that his mind (or maybe Manfred’s mind) is already made up. They’ll be very little difference in pay, but probably a huge difference in Japanese marketing.

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  2. JerseyShoreScore

    7 months ago

    Leave it to Rob Manfred to state the obvious. This is what everyone assumed from the moment it became known that Sasaki would be posted…

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  3. sad tormented neglected mariners fan

    7 months ago

    That means we are going to have to wait till January 15 for him to make the shocking decision to go to the dodgers

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    • Centaurus

      7 months ago

      Perhaps Sasaki grew up an Ichiro fan and his dream is to play for the Mariners. I’m sure even cheap Dipoto can spend 7 million on an ace

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      • bwood

        7 months ago

        I’m sure all Japanese players were huge Ichiro fans growing up but that hasn’t help the M’s with other Japenese players so…….
        Maybe Dipoto could even do some simple math to figure out a trade or two to get up to $13.22MM since Sasaki is giving up some cash coming over before 25.
        But of course that would mean using his brain and some common sense, which all M’s fans know he is lacking, particularly in the roster construction department.
        But the Dodgers do need SP so it wont be hard for Sasaki to see the need there on a world series defending team.

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        • Rexhudler86

          7 months ago

          @bwood. Mariners might be the dark horse. They’re in tier 1, and better than most teams in that category. Also they usually make the Top 5 list for Japanese players.

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        • bwood

          7 months ago

          Dark Horse, don’t talk about Dark Horse, you’re kidding me, Dark Horse, I just hope we can sign Turner or Santana!

          How are the M’s a realistic team to sign Sasaki, dark horse or not?

          #1-#4 spots are set and even #5 is set, where’s the opening in the rotation as of right now?
          I doubt he’d come to the M’s to fight for a rotation spot when he can go somewhere else with the guarantee of a spot, hell maybe as a #1 or #2.

          Yeah there are lots of if’s, trades, six-man rotation, options to use, blah, blah, blah.

          M’s are not competitive, have an untested/unknown rookie manager, do NOT spend in FA, wont see the postseason unless they “luck’ into it, the roster construction is very poor and the overall leadership is not very…….. strong (help me with another word here, haha)

          Yes, they are in the top tier, pitchers do well here in terms of advancement, depth behind #5 is very thin and the park is set-up for pitchers but I don’t see the list of positives, my list at least, outweighing the negatives for him to sign here and wont try to trick myself into it either cause. “they usually make the Top 5 list for Japanese players”

          Of the teams in tier 1 the Mariners sit behind the Brewers, Tigers, Rays, and Twins with the Red & A’s only slightly behind them and the Marlins topping out the list.
          I could see the Brewers/Tigers/Rays as more of a dark horse than the M’s.
          Recent postseason, young, room for a rotation spot, competent ownership, lower payroll and one last jab have at least been to a world series in franchise history..

          They haven’t been in the top 5 list for Japanese players since Nintendo sold in 2016 with the lone exception being Yusei Kikuchi in 2019.
          And then they kicked him to the curb with a player option and club option to keep him.
          After Kikuchi, I don’t remember the M’s being in on any of the Japanese players at the end of negotiations (8 signed as of today). Maybe to start their name was out there but only cause of Nintendo/Ichiro history.

          I could see Seattle used in a leak as bait to drive up the price in negotiations but put yourself in his shoes, where you going to spend the 1st 6 years of your MLB career, Seattle or ………
          That alone makes it easy to compile a small list of teams that will be in the final negations.

          It would be a wonderful problem for the M’s to deal with if they could sign him. Open up infield options for the trade deadline/injury depth but from what this ownership has showed me and more importantly shown Sasaki, its not going happen, dark horse or not.

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  4. Rsox

    7 months ago

    Well past the winter meetings in December. Some mid-January intrigue for MLB followed by which group of Boras clients haven’t been signed when spring training begins

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  5. Superstar Prospect Wander Javier

    7 months ago

    Most big name players don’t sign until January anyway.

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    • 9/11ths

      7 months ago

      Will Wander Javier sign with someone? It’s been years.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        7 months ago

        Intrigued about what your fractional moniker could be alluding to…? Nine-elevenths of something is quite a lot of it. For some reason pizza and beer popped into my head first thing. If my pizza came with eleven slices then I would be eating nine of them and if my half-rack of Olympia beer only had eleven cans then I will vouch for nine. But I have a feeling for you it’s baseball related but what could that be?

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        • 9/11ths

          7 months ago

          The maple leaf on the Canadian flag has 11 points and I’ll be dead and buried before the recognize those bottom two.

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        • JoeBrady

          7 months ago

          Well, the x/11 thing is interesting because it is the inverse of the x/9 fraction. While the x/9 always results in a recurring number (2/9 = .22222222), the x/11 results in the same, if not more complicated repeat (7/11 = .63636363..)

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  6. bluepelotas

    7 months ago

    Dodgers will be waiting patiently…

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    • seamaholic 2

      7 months ago

      Yep, they’ve known he’d be posted this year for a while I’d wager. Back channel stuff. So they’ve covered their bases: Most bonus to offer before Jan 15, and most off-the-field potential earnings no matter when he signs (except maybe the NYC teams). I’d put the odds at well over 80%.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        7 months ago

        Sasaki would actually be perfect on the Dodgers staff because they love their pitchers to only go 80 to 130 innings because of either previous injury history or subsequent injury catastrophe. This guy doesn’t have the cleanest bill of health (in fact why he is posting so early) and he’s still a kid learning to pitch. It could go a myriad of ways, as with any pitcher. At least the price is right.

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        • Rexhudler86

          7 months ago

          @ignorant. Wouldn’t surprise me if part of the deal. Is a innings restriction. As far as the medicals go it’s unknown, just seems like he’s going the ohtani route knowing he’s going to need surgery soon. He just compares to ohtani, because he’s not a complete product. It took ohtani a couple years to put everything together.

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    • mrkinsm

      7 months ago

      Why would he sign with the Dodgers for ~3.5M$ when he can get ~7M$ elsewhere?

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      • frankiegxiii

        7 months ago

        For a chance to win?

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        • mrkinsm

          7 months ago

          The Dodgers are the only team with a chance to win?

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        • avenger65

          7 months ago

          mrkinsm: If they sign Sasaki and Soto, then yes.

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        • mrkinsm

          7 months ago

          And if Soto tears a knee? Ohtani tears a shoulder? Good thing, games actually have to be played – championships aren’t won on paper.

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  7. HalosHeavenJJ

    7 months ago

    There are going to be a few highly rated guys who suddenly become fair game when the Roki winners finalize that deal.

    Be smart to have some spending room still around when that happens.

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    • Acoss1331

      7 months ago

      You guys got Ohtani, will the Angels strike twice on another Japanese superstar? It is LA so Angels have a better shot than other teams. I know Hoyer and the Cubs will “try” and fail…

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      • HalosHeavenJJ

        7 months ago

        I can’t imagine a Japanese player wanting to repeat Ohtani’s journey to the OC.

        The Dodgers are already Japan’s team. He’ll join them and make a fortune in endorsements.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          7 months ago

          Man there’s still gotta be cute blonde California girls in the OC right? They’re not all at Laguna or Redondo or Malibu right?

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        • Rexhudler86

          7 months ago

          @halosheavenjj. Padres might’ve a shot. Darvish is his favorite player. Ohtani’s favorite player was trout. I’m sure it will come down to more things. Probably the bonus money, a guaranteed rotation spot atleast, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there’s secret endorsement deals. Has control over catering. That’s stuff that ohtani had in his deal he had a list of demands. It was either meet it or kick rocks.

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        • HalosHeavenJJ

          7 months ago

          Definitely still plenty of those.

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      • differentbears

        7 months ago

        They got Ohtani because there was no league-wide DH yet. If there had been, he almost certainly would have been a Dodger from the start.

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        • HalosHeavenJJ

          7 months ago

          Completely agree

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        • avenger65

          7 months ago

          Completely true.

          Reply
  8. hllywdjff

    7 months ago

    Mariners have the most money and the best pitching lab And closest to Tokyo!

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    • mrkinsm

      7 months ago

      The team with the most money will be the team that trades for the most additional cap space. Someone will likely offer him 10M$+.

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      • bwood

        7 months ago

        “mrkinsm” which of the Reds, Tigers, Marlins, Brewers, Twins, A’s, Mariners and Rays get to the 10mm offer, which players are being shipped out and to what team(s)?

        “All clubs are able to acquire additional bonus pool space, which is tradeable in $250K increments. However, a club can only acquire up to 60% of its initial pool allotment.”

        I’m no math major so please correct me if I’m wrong but
        $7,555,000 + 60% ($3,022,000) = $10,577,000
        $3,022,000 / $250,000 = 12.088

        Which team(s) has 12 players to trade that can net them 250k bonus pool allotment at a minimum for each trade?
        And which team(s) will be willing to trade their bonus pool in multiple trades then find room for these new players?

        Just to get an extra 1MM, a team would have to make 4 trades (at a minimum), find the team(s) willing to even trade bonus pool space then re roster those 4 spots with a new player of better or same skill set.

        Thats a lot of moving pieces going in and out, Id love to read your transaction log to get to the $10mm

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        • mrkinsm

          7 months ago

          250K$ increments doesn’t mean it’s the max you can trade a singular player for. It means you can trade a player for 3M$ or 2.75M$ but not any number in between.

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        • bwood

          7 months ago

          ahhhh, got it.
          That seems more attainable, especially in a move or 2 to get to that 10mm.
          12 trades did seem ridiculous for 3mm.
          Guess I should read my own post and understand it!

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    • avenger65

      7 months ago

      The Mariners should try for Sasaki. Also close to Japan, Japanese legend Ichiro works for the team, and there’s a huge Japanese population in Washington and nearby Vancouver.

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  9. Ranger Danger19

    7 months ago

    I know everyone thinks he’s a Dodger but I wouldn’t count out the Padres. Just a gut feeling. Darvish is an icon in Japan.

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    • TheGr8One

      7 months ago

      Ichiro is an icon in Japan you could make the same argument for Seattle.

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      • El Niño

        7 months ago

        Except Ichiro is retired and Darvish still has like 4 years on his contract. Also Nomo is in the padres front office.

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  10. gbs42

    7 months ago

    2025 Chicago White Sox Opening Day starting pitcher!

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    • avenger65

      7 months ago

      gbs42: Well, he does meet reinsdorf’s criteria of being cheap, but I doubt he has enough international signing money to buy Sasaki a hat.

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  11. Pete'sView

    7 months ago

    Though he’s Korean, Jung Ho Lee speaks Japanese b/c he was born there. Just sayin’

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  12. YankeesBleacherCreature

    7 months ago

    While money is a motivating factor for Sasaki, it’s obviously not his priority. He could conceivably take less bonus pool money to allow a club to ink that 16-17 y.o. stud prospect who could potentially be his teammate a few years later.

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    • mrkinsm

      7 months ago

      Why does he care about some 16 year old Dominican kid who probably won’t even be in the majors by the time he’s reached 6 years of big league service?

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  13. dasit

    7 months ago

    stupid question: why is being on the west coast so preferable? are pitchers flying home in between starts?

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      7 months ago

      Direct flights from LA to Tokyo is under 12 hours vs NYC to Tokyo at 14+. It’s also easier for family to fly to them on the west coast.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      7 months ago

      Their bookies are closer to Vegas if they play on the West Coast. (okay that was uncalled for I’m sorry.)

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  14. pryanadidas86

    7 months ago

    I saw someone mention on a different post being on the west coast is more valuable for Japanese pitchers because of the games start times. More people in Japan are able to watch Dodgers games over Yankees games so the marketing deals are more valuable. It’s less about family travel and more about availability to the Japanese market.

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    • Rays in the Bay

      7 months ago

      So the teams that have some Japanese reps are top dogs. Darvish/Ohtani/Yamamoto/Imanaga/Yoshida/Ichiro/and that half-Japanese player the Blue Jays picked up. That’s the field right there.

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      • Jubilation

        7 months ago

        You missed the Tigers with Maeda

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    • TheGr8One

      7 months ago

      I would agree with that over flight times for sure. How many people making that flight how many times when the remote control is 3 feet away?

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    • dasit

      7 months ago

      that makes sense thanks!

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  15. O'sSayCanYouSee

    7 months ago

    I just hope he signs with a team coming out of a rebuild; the Orioles, Pirates, Tigers, Red Sox (?), Reds, Royals. It’d be nice if he didn’t sign on with a pre-made heavyweight and was a cherry-on-top of a sweet bowl of open-window-of-contention sunday!

    …but anyway…

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  16. Mustard Tiger

    7 months ago

    Thanks a lot Captain Obvious.

    Reply
  17. JoeBrady

    7 months ago

    Anyone but the Yankees.

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