Dec. 16: Bruce Levine of 670 The Score said in an appearance on the Mully & Haugh show this morning that the Cubs and Marlins have been working on a potential Luzardo deal for some time now (audio link, Luzardo talk at 7:37am mark). Levine adds that a trade for Luzardo is something the Cubs “would really like to get done … in the next few days.”
That, of course, doesn’t necessarily indicate that a trade is close at the moment, but it’s nevertheless notable that the two parties are in ongoing discussions and that the Cubs feel strongly about trying to push something across the finish line.
Dec. 14: The Cubs already added Matthew Boyd to their rotation this winter but remain interested in adding another prominent name (if not someone at the top of the free agent market) to a starter group that already includes Shota Imanaga, Justin Steele, and Jameson Taillon as the top three. Such trade and free agent targets as Luis Castillo and Walker Buehler have been linked to Chicago already, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports that the Cubs have also shown interest in Marlins left-hander Jesus Luzardo.
Reports surfaced during the Winter Meetings about some teams checking in on Luzardo’s services, as it could be that teams were investigating a buy-low possibility. Luzardo has been mentioned as a potential trade candidate even before the Marlins entered their latest teardown, and had he been healthy in 2024, it is quite possible he would’ve already been shipped off to a different team prior to the last trade deadline. Unfortunately for Luzardo and the Marlins, he was limited to 12 starts and 66 2/3 innings due to elbow problems and repeated back problems, including as a stress reaction in his lower back.
Injuries have essentially been the story of Luzardo’s career over his six Major League seasons with the A’s and Marlins. He has 512 innings pitched across parts of those six seasons, with 178 2/3 of those frames coming in 2023. Luzardo’s career 4.29 ERA includes a lot of peaks and valleys, with struggles in 2021 and 2024 undermining his otherwise above-average numbers.
The inconsistency resulted in lowering Luzardo’s price tag as he entered his arbitration years, and MLBTR projects him to earn $6MM this winter in his second of three arb-eligible seasons. If he can replicate his 2023 form, his 2025-26 salaries will be a significant bargain for the Marlins or whatever team Luzardo is pitching for, and he is only entering his age-27 season.
The upside here is obvious, except the obvious concern for any interested teams is that they don’t know what version of Luzardo will show up in 2025. This could make it hard for Miami to land on an acceptable trade package with the Cubs or any other team, simply because the Marlins naturally want to get as much as they can in return for one of their top trade chips. Waiting until the deadline might be the wiser tack for Peter Bendix’s front office, as while Luzardo runs the risk of getting hurt again, a healthy and effective first half would restore his trade value.
670 The Score’s Bruce Levine reports that Miami is looking for a “young controllable bat back” in a Luzardo deal, and suggests that the Cubs would have to give up a top prospect like Owen Caissie or James Triantos. Considering those two are both within the top 55 of MLB Pipeline’s rankings of the top minor leaguers in all of baseball, it would be bold on Chicago’s part to move Caissie or Triantos for an injury-prone pitcher coming off a 5.00 ERA season.
Then again, the Marlins scored a nice trade package for another oft-injured, inconsistent pitcher at the last deadline when they got Connor Norby and Kyle Stowers from the Orioles for Trevor Rogers. While the deal raised eyebrows at the time, it underscored the value that teams put on controllable pitching. Of course, the fact that Rogers heavily struggled after the trade to Baltimore also highlights the risk involved in such trades. The Cubs have already shown their aggression this winter by trading for Kyle Tucker, and might be willing to dip into their deep farm system again in order to make a potentially huge rotation upgrade. Assuming that the likes of Caissie or Triandos are even on the table in potential trades, Chicago might prefer to opt to move those kinds of prospects only for a more reliable pitcher.
Can someone do a wellness check on Blackpink?
All this biased Cubs coverage and not even a single dumb statement about the Cardinals to be found.
It’s the holiday season, we wish no ill will on anybody.
Please let everyone know you’re ok Blackpink.
How about that
Get him and a couple more guys and I’m really into it. Ppl don’t respect her enough. Dude tries his best in the offseason
I believe this rumor was out there last time too and nothing happened.
If they did Luis Castillo instead it’d be wild. Brett Taylor suggested that on bn
I like Castillo’s track record and being a RH, but he definitely appears to be trending downward and is owed quite a bit of money on that contract. Basically Bellinger money for 3yrs instead of 2.
Luzardo has a great arm but his injury history and being LH have me less than excited. Jed better not give up much in return. Alcantara or Canario and an A-ball arm or two would be about my limit.
I wonder if Jed would be looking at him as the LH reliever we desperately need. That could be interesting.
Since he’s no longer part of the organization, would Patrick Wisdom to Korea qualify as Cubs news??
Waiting for the MLBTR story.
Wisdom is going to be singing in Korean to his new teammates at his first meeting with them!
Good to see Cubbies wheelin & dealin
Cubs interested in [pitcher]
I need to get my 82mph heater ready to show them.
4.29 career ERA and that injury history? Pass.
I seriously doubt Cassie or even Triantos would be part of a deal for such an unreliable return.
Go after Castillo instead, or Roki Sasaki.
How about both? I know the odds are slim for Sasaki, but hey, nobody picked them to get Suzuki or Imanaga either. I get that Sasaki is a bigger fish, but I still think it’s too soon to say the Dodgers are a lock.
Caissie is our DH next year
He’s not getting traded
I hope you’re right.
Caissie is a better defender than Suzuki. Assuming Seiya will be traded?
Has an all lefty rotation been tried in the mlb. Let’s see it!
Dodgers had four in 2017 – Kershaw, Ryu, Hill and Wood. Won 104 games that year. White Sox during the Sale-Rondo-Quintana-Danks day but didn’t work out as well.
According to a reddit post, only four teams in MLB history had four left-handed pitchers make at least 20 starts in a season. Those four teams:
▪ The 2017 Los Angeles Dodgers (Rich Hill, Clayton Kershaw, Hyun Jin Ryu and Alex Wood)
▪ The 2015 Chicago White Sox (John Danks, Jose Quintana, Carlos Rodon and Chris Sale)
▪ The 2013 White Sox (Danks, Quintana, Sale and Hector Santiago)
▪ The 1954 Washington Senators (Mickey McDermott, Johnny Schmitz, Chuck Stobbs, Dean Stone)
reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1bm5gmc/how_rare_is…
I forgot John danks ever existed
What about Danks
I hope his mother doesn’t read these comments
You’re Dwelcome…
Yeah I am wondering how many lefty relievers the Cubs need.
You still have Taillon but yeah I don’t get pursuing yet another lefty. If I am trading w the Marlins I want Alcantara.
I like Taillon as a 4-5 starter but he pitched quite well for the Cubbies last season and if the Cubs landed someone like Sasaki, Jameson would be easy to trade, his contract is quite reasonable (from what I recall).
The 1976 Mets had Koosman, Lolich, and Matlack behind Seaver, though he, of course, was a righty.
Do you believe in je$us?
Not with “elbow problems”.
I wouldn’t take the risk. Yeah, the price tag salary wise is attractive, but his health issues and general inconsistency make him a crap shoot.
Hey zeus
Jesus built my hotrod
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Caissie does not seem expendable until/unless Cubs throw out a guaranteed $ figure that compels Tucker to say yes to a massive contract extension. Even then, he could headline a deal that gets them a player way more reliable than Luzardo.
And even then he shouldn’t be the.first expendable OF. Canario and Alcantara should be first. Canario is out of options though. That’s a tougher sell
I’ve seen Alcantara higher rated than Caissie in some rankings. I think it depends on who the front office likes more. Hoyer is in a tough spot but he put himself in that spot.
Pass
Cubs President of Baseball Jed Hoyer does close to nothing for four seasons and now in the last year of his contract he makes an effort trying to get an extension
Yeah really. He is “in” on more players than Preller, this off-season.
Preller ran out of other people’s money to spend……..
Preller was empowered by a dying owner who was trying to buy a title. The owner was all in and sadly didn’t get to see it. RIP.
Trading Caissie would ultimately prove to be a big mistake.
Especially if it’s for Luzardo. If they’re gonna trade Caissie, it should be for more of a sure thing like any of Seattle’s starters.
The only one they are interested in trading is starting to decline and owed @ $75M over the next 3 seasons…
I would NOT trade a bat like Caissie’s for that, but I would certainly take Castillo in a salary-dump trade for Canario or something less valuable.
My do not trade list is Caissie, Horton and Ballesteros. I’d like to see Shaw succeed before trading Triantos. How about Kevin Alcantara straight up for Jesus Luzardo. Fish should like Alcantara in that he can play all three outfield positions. High upside guy with a bit of swing and miss.
Why? He is not a better option than Boyd.
I would rather trade Caissie and Alàcantara if I am getting a legit TOR. Like Cease. At least he is proven to be capable of being on a contender.
Trading prospects for bottom of the rotation is folly. Jed is better off sitting on Assad much less Brown.
Assad will be in the rotation whether or not they add one starting pitcher. Shota, Steele, Taillon, Assad. Brown is probably in the bullpen, but I am open to Brown or Horton as the 5th starter over Wicks.
No, I would not trade Caissie and Alcantara for one year of Cease.
Yes, I would trade Alcantara for two years of Luzardo.
If the Cubs trade Belli or Suzuki they can keep all of their prospects and sign a free agent like Quintana on a one year deal.
Where have you been ??
They signed Boyd for the rotation !!
Well Jed deemed that Tucker was worth Paredes, Smith and Wesneski. And you deem that Cease is not worth 2 OF prospects that are blocked on AAA?
Sounds about right.
Squirrel hoarding the nuts 101
Eddie
Thanks, left Boyd out. I would slot him 4th ahead of Assad unless he sucks in spring training.
I want them to sign Minter and Kittridge.
I have no problem trading Cam Smith. I was unhappy when the Cubs traded Ferris and Hope for Busch. Unless he has a major injury, Jackson Ferris alone will be worth more than Busch.
Save Ferris
Dumpster: Walker Buehler’s day off.
Time will tell. Busch is a bit old for a rookie. But he took to 1B and put up solid rookie numbers
Feris is still a prospect and that means gamble. Brown, Wicks and Horton have not broken into the rotation and all were higher rated prospects.
No guarantee that he would have been a rotation piece even Cease got traded prior. Steele has been the exception vs the rule under this management team
Like the strikeout upside, but it’s not worth it if Caissie is the ask
Please no. Not for Owen Caissie. Don’t need 4 lefties in the rotation. If Caissie is involved it’s gotta be for Sandy Alcantara. And ONKC should not be moved even for Sandy
Hoyer should get some more bullpen arms. Unless it’s Sandy Alcantara, Luis Castillo or Roki Sasaki, pass.
Have to agree, the Cubs need a power RH to slot in #2 between Steele and Imanaga.
Maybe Horton can be that guy, but not holding my breath there. Snag Castillo and some $ for expendable parts and Jed is well on his way to an A+ offseason. Just need some late inning bullpen reinforcements.
I don’t see what Luzardo offers unless they need help hitting their PPO deductible.
Luzardo throws the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
As you can tell the rich elite teams are stocking up on them.
MLB Sr data architect Tangotiger contacted Roger Beshens in Nov 2018 cause of all the pitchers Roger Beshens influenced. That message is currently on @rbeshens Twitter along with video of Roger teaching his football slider to Brent Strom in the Dbacks Clubhouse. Roger Beshens football slider guy on Feb 29, 2024 had a 6 minute chat with 10 Dback pitchers and pitching coaches on video and a 48 minute invite to show his techniques to Strom in the Dbacks Clubhouse.
We ve already established your timeliness is bunk. This sweeperslineage is traced back to guys like Ottavino and Cone. Well before your claims.
Nobody is going to credit you with creating something that already existed.
nytimes.com/2023/04/12/sports/baseball/sweeper-pit…
Roger Beshens never said he created any kind of pitch, he said he caused the MLB Slider revolution in 2018, seems like you’re battling something that doesn’t exist.
Creating and causing something are two different things.
May 2018 Roger Beshens bombarded MLB MILB NCAA pitchers with his famous Grip, Tilt and Wrist action, On center grip, throw like Football Stiff Wrist. The great thing with that is he has a video with Strom acknowledging it and Strom even invited Roger Beshens in the Dbcacks Clubhouse to teach him. That’s forever and powerful.
That was the 1st year in MLB more K”s than Strikeouts and it was because of Roger Beshens’s Football Slider. Anybody with baseball knowledge knows this.
Everyone knows Glasnow and many of his teammates Taillon, Musgrove, Kuhl, Crick, T Williams learned and started throwing the Roger Beshens Football Slider in Pittsburgh May 2018. That’s documented. Taillon was Reds May 22, or 23, he later called it a Whirly in NY.
Changing the Roger Beshens Football Slider to Sweeper and Gyro, Whirly etc doesn’t change the fact Roger Beshens CAUSED the MLB Slider revolution.
Roger Beshens always said Ron Guidry and Steve Carlton threw the football slider, so you saying Roger Beshens created his football slider makes you look very ignorant and out of touch.
If ANY ML pitcher with a great slider since the beginning of baseball said he threw it on center, football, stiff wrist, the “Football slider” revolution would have started then.
Roger Beshens decided to do so and that’s why every MLB team uses his football slider as the blueprint.
You can’t even defend anything I said above. Nobody can.
Strom inviting Roger Beshens to teach him the Roger Beshens Football Slider in the Dbacks clubhouse with video is very powerful. Smart move to document. Good for Roger Beshens. That’s not going away.
You can go back as far as you want, a pitcher needs to know how to throw that football slider. For some reason, just maybe they didn’t want anyone else throwing it better than them so they are the best on the team, best in the league.
There’s ZERO technology needed to learn, throw or improve his football slider. If a pitcher doesn’t know how to shape the pitch technology can only show the result not how to shape it, that’s why Brent Strom MLB, MILB NCAA pitchers listen to Roger Beshens.
Marlins need help in many areas.
Amaya, Mervis and a prospect?
No way in hell do I give up a top 100 prospect for Luzardo. I’d rather have Castillo, especially if trying to win now because Cubs only have Tucker one year, so you need more certainty out of your rotation. Luzardo may have a bigger ceiling, but the floor is more stable with Castillo.
Not to mention Lazardo would give the Cubs 4 southpaws in their rotation while Castillo helps balance it out with a second RHP.
Luzardo throws the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
Many have been copying the Roger Beshens Football Slider, anything even altered is still copying it.
So, you’ve gone from the Mets being interested in everybody to the Cubs being interested everybody. No matter the team, it’s still just worthless BS. Hard news or nothing, please.
Indianfan
it’s still just worthless BS. Hard news or nothing, please.
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Do you know what the “RE” in MLBR stands for?
There’s no E.
It’s Castillo and Haniger for Bellinger and Suzuki
They are working on the dollars
That’s a terrible trade and no they are not
I have no dog in this race, but that sounds like an intriguing offer both ways. Who do you think is getting the better of the deal and why?
Haniger will be selling insurance in 3 years. Castillo’s contract is not great.
Belli and Castillo may roughly equal out, but no way in he// Suzuki for Haniger makes any sense whatsoever. A 33yo with an 84 OPS+ and another OF we dont need.
Heh, I was about to say the Mariners wouldn’t touch that deal with a ten foot pole. Belli is a negative asset and there are plenty of 1B on the market who are as least as good a hitter (or better). Suzuki is a fine player (better than Bellinger) but the Mariners don’t really need a RF. They need a 3B or 2B and their GM has repeatedly said that’s what they’re shooting for. Unless his name is Freddie Freakin’ Freeman, they’re not trading one of the SP’s for a 1B.
Take out Bellinger and add Hoerner and you might have something. You might even get a prospect from the Mariners.
If Belli is a negative asset, then Castillo is also. Cody has out WAR’d him 2 years in a row. Luis is still good but clearly declining and is owed a lot more money than Bellinger for up to the next 4 years.
Cody is overpaid based on his ‘24 results but was very good in ‘23, and may well earn it again in ‘25.
Cubs are trying to win in ‘25, they just traded for a star player in his final year of arbitration. Trading guys like Suzuki and Hoerner don’t make sense now. Trading Belli would be for salary relief and to clear the RF logjam. If Cubs acquired Castillo it would include cash from Seattle in exchange for prospects, or swapping contracts like Bellinger.
I probably believe too much in the Cubs youth. But most people with back pain know, you’re never the same after. Rizzo good example. Trading youth for a player with Back Problem history, doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
Meh. Jesus is just allright allright
Rare to see any of these, “interested in” articles for the Dodgers.
It’s usually, Dodgers sign so and so…
Red Sox, Cubs and Blue Jays must be thrilled…..
Marlins pitchers of potential value need to show what they can do before they can be traded for players of real value.
The Marlins have no business trading any Starter before May
Cubs are an interesting team. Look great on paper but there is just something wrong with this team. It’s hard to explain but their record helps.
It’s the Cubs. It’s kind of their brand. Don’t read too much into it.
Luis Castillo would be a much better addition.
Pass- walker would be much better
Number 4 starter..maybe
Not sure why they would sell low on Luzardo. No chance they get a prospect like Caissie or Triantos back now.
Can someone please explain to me why they need yet another left handed starter? Especially one with questionable at best health history?
If I were the Cubs I’d get Castillo and have a legitish ace. I’d also keep Bellinger and move Busch to 3rd and hope the extra thump negates any defensive woes.
You got Tucker this year, don’t do what the Yankees did last year with Soto and not get enough to support him. Make another big move and contend THIS year. Don’t wait till Tucker is out the door!
Can Busch play 3B adequately?
Busch cannot play 3B on the field, probably not even 2B. Moving Cam Smith was all about the emergence of Shaw.
The Yankees made the correct moves. They made it to the WS against a Dodgers team that was so good they could overcome pitching injuries.
A large market team does not rebuild 80% of the time to snag a WS championship like the Marlins did. Trading for Tucker was great, but no reason to go overboard in trading prospects. Just go sign a couple backend relievers and let’s play ball.
They do still need to trade Bellinger or Suzuki though. Its a waste of resources to carry them both along with the addition of Tucker. Either player could be turned into an upgrade elsewhere or for future depth.
They could extend their window by signing Tucker long-term when the time comes as well. Being free of Bellinger and Suzuki’s salaries will help with that.
My opinion is trade Bellinger. Trade Hoerner (and I love Nico Hoerner), trade Taillon, sign Bregman, sign Yates, do a back flip if Sasaki signs here.
Cubs are about 30 million under, +27 in Bellinger, 18 in Taillon, 11 in Nico. Bellinger and Bregman AAV wise would be a wash, Yate and Nico would be pretty close as well. That gives you 48 million. Go sign Buehler for a season and roll with what you have. Then you’re clear Buehler and Yates for 26 if you want to swim in big boy waters and re- sign Tuck.
And if they had signed Snell and not Stroman, maybe they would have won. I mean it’s not even debatable that they did not in fact make the right moves after acquiring Soto. (Jazz at the deadline notwithstanding)
Also, giving the keys to Shaw when you have a window this season to contend is another move that would not be the correct one.
Shaw over Paredes absolutely is the right move.
Tucker/Shaw/Bregman > Bellinger/Hoerner/Wesneski
And it’s not even close.
Seems fairly obvious that you’d get better on the field if you acquire two of the biggest names on the market in an off-season.
Drasco
Keep Hoerner to play at 2B for 2025. Keep Suzuki to DH for 2025.
Trade Belli to Yankees, pay down what you must, no need to get a prospect back. Use the money saved on Belli to sign Kittridge and Minter for the bullpen. Ready for Opening Day!
Shaw at 3B is NOT more risky than Paredes or the former Morel.
Top 100,
Porter Hodge-3 options
Tyson Miller- 0
Nate Pearson- 1
Keegan Thompson- 0
Eli Morgan- 1
Luke Little- 2
Julian Merryweather- 0
Rob Z- 0
Which two are you replacing and who are you removing from the 40 man roster AND what are you doing with Ben Brown and Jordan Wicks?
It’s all well and good to throw names against the wall and have the Cubs sign a bunch of relievers but you have roster restrictions and minor league options to consider. Cubs already have to drop two from that list to accommodate Brown and Wicks, that’s likely Rob Z and either Thompson or Merryweather, maybe they option Pearson and try to stretch him out, maybe they start with Brown in AAA to build back up arm strength but no way can the Cubs fit in two relievers, especially two without options.
Wagner
But they don’t need to trade one of them. Injuries happen.
If Belli has a good season, he will opt-out at the end of 2025. Win-win for everyone.
I do think if Busch could play any other infield spot he would still be with Dodgers.
Led
Concur
Castillo isn’t close to an ace
“Legitish”…5th place in the Cy Young in 2023. Coming off a “down” year, but the ERA+ is often there on any given season.
Personally not a fan, but I’ll give him legitish.
I think the Marlins are asking too much for him and his inconsistency and injury history will hurt a team trading for him. I’d go after Alcantara who is “off limits” to a gm who tore the team down to the ground.
Marlins would want much more, but Alcantara for Alcantara would make for a great headline
Cease seems like a much better fit for Cubs than Luzardo. I can’t imagine that Hoyer isn’t also exploring options with Preller and any number of other executives at this point. He needs to move Seiya and a dependable, front of the rotation starter makes the most sense.
Well he’s a much better pitcher, yeah. And therefore costs a lot more.
But Cease only has one year of control left, correct? I don’t see the Cubs making another trade for a star player that will likely walk after the season. Unless Big Tom plans on opening up the purse strings big time! I’m not high on any of these starting pitchers the Cubs are looking at. I’d rather see them focus on the bullpen, maybe 3B.
Not really the best idea, if we’re honest, to state publicly that you “really want to get a deal done” for a specific player. Since the Marlins could sell Luzardo anywhere if they decide to move him, I’m thinking the Cubs are about to get taken the cleaners.
Caissie for Luzardo would be dumb as rocks for the Cubs. If they can get Luzardo for mid prospects and ship out Taillon, this could be a decent pickup. Otherwise, the Cubs should be going after a Castillo or Cease.
You want to get rid of the one right handed starting pitcher we have? I have no interest in fielding a rotation of all lefty pitchers.
Not necessarily, but I think Luzardo has a much higher ceiling and would cost a fraction of Taillon. Would be better as part of a larger move for a real ace tho imo. I don’t love the rumors for Luzardo.
You need to have six to nine starting pitchers most years, taking into account injuries. Depending upon the readiness of Horton and Brown, as I have doubts about Wicks, adding a solid pitcher like Luzardo is a smart move even if he has to compete for a rotation spot in ST versus pitching bulk innings. Just Caissie, Horton and Ballesteros need to be off limits
A Xmas day deal?
Another guy that should have been traded November 2023, and will end up with a much lesser return, but even keeping that in mind, it’s the right call to move these guys, as I’d been saying all year, as a Marlins fan…though they absolutely have to get the best return possible for someone like this
2 of Shaw/triantos + Horton + Alcantara, and probably a 3rd lesser piece
If they trade even one of those prospects for a broken Luzardo, everyone involved should be fired.
There are soooo many starters still available for just money I would hate to give up more than like wicks, canario and a low level arm. Like just take back rodon +2 mil a year in a bellinger swap. Offers even more upside.
Could he be used as a bullpen piece? Closer? Seems the rotation is fine with either Ben brown or Assad as your number 5. Depth is good but to give up Caissie seems unnecessary for another starter. Puts more pressure on the front office to lock up Tucker even more into next offseason dealing Caissie away. Lazardo could be a nasty LH setup man
Cubs might be interested in Luzardo. But, the Marlins should be asking for pre 2024 season value. Luzardo has 2 years of control left and looked like a stud before a back injury this year. I don’t see this deal getting done based on the pieces I believe would be needed to get it done.
If Luzardo bounces back this season he’ll be on the block next winter with the Marlins knowing they won’t resign him. This year with the down performance doesn’t feel like the right time to trade barring an overpay. I have no idea what a Free agent contract would like for Luzardo after the 2026 season, but talent gets paid. Especially talent under 30.
Sign Burnes.
Luzardo would be a sweet reclamation project, but reclamation projects should not cost a Top 100 prospect. I’d be OK with semding over, say, Alexander Canario, Pedro Ramirez, and Caleb Killian.
If the Cubs are willing to give up ‘Healthy Luzardo value’, then I’m for it. Otherwise, I wait until he pitches and shows he’s healthy so we can get a good return. It makes no sense to take a low ball offer now when, if Luzardo doesn’t pitch too well, we can get a low ball offer later that is still nice considering what teams are willing to give up for SPs at teh trade deadline.
Luzardo throws the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
When you read a guy learned a new slider from so and so notice how they don’t mention the Grip, Tilt and Wrist action (all 3) because if they do it’s the Roger Beshens Football Slider. MLB wont talk about it cause it’s still evolving. There is no Matt Blake, Ethan Katz all these coaches that never played in the Majors and many in the minors without Roger Beshens information.
There is no Flaherty, Glasnow, Snell fame without them learning the Roger Beshens Football Slider.
The Rays stank before they learned the Roger Beshens Football Slider in 2018, same for every team!!! Roger Beshens started the football slider revolution.