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Latest On Nolan Arenado

By Steve Adams | December 19, 2024 at 12:32pm CDT

The potential for a Nolan Arenado trade has been one of the most persistent storylines of the 2024-25 offseason, and Arenado surged into the spotlight yesterday when it was reported that he invoked his no-trade clause to quash a deal that would’ve sent him to the Astros.

Further details on the matter, unsurprisingly, have continued to leak out today and presumably will in the days and weeks ahead. Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that while Arenado vetoed the potential deal to Houston, the Cardinals and Astros will continue to negotiate and an eventual deal remains possible. Of further note, while there’s been plenty of talk regarding the number of teams to which Arenado would approve a trade, Goold suggests that the third baseman has not at any point submitted a formal list of such teams to the Cardinals. Around five teams have spoken with the Cardinals about a trade, per the report.

The lack of a firm list could potentially be due to the fact that Arenado’s willingness to approve a trade to another club is context-dependent. Agent Joel Wolfe made clear at last week’s Winter Meetings that Arenado’s goal is to land with a clear win-now team that will continue to pursue a World Series title for the balance of the three years remaining on his contract. A team’s offseason dealings can impact the perception of whether they’re a true long-term contender.

Katie Woo and Chandler Rome of The Athletic report that, somewhat ironically, the very same move that in some regards paved the way for Houston’s pursuit of Arenado might’ve reduced his willingness to go there: the trade of Kyle Tucker to the Cubs. For a player seeking a perennial win-now atmosphere, a team simultaneously trading its best player and balking at re-signing a franchise cornerstone (Alex Bregman) logically raises some red flags. Woo and Rome write that Arenado wants to further see how the third-base market plays out before making any kind of decision, with Bregman’s eventual landing spot being one potential factor.

If that sounds counterintuitive, consider that Arenado could be viewed as something of a “Plan B” for teams with interest in Bregman. Bregman has been linked to both the Yankees and Red Sox, for instance. Either could hold appeal to Arenado, speculatively speaking, but they may choose not to ramp up their pursuit until Bregman is off the table. Revisiting the talks with Houston could also occur if Bregman signs elsewhere.

MLB.com’s John Denton appeared on 101 ESPN’s BK and Ferrario Show in St. Louis this morning and touched on the Arenado saga as well. He echoed many of the same points made in those reports and in his own reporting in helping break the no-trade development yesterday, but he added the wrinkle that Arenado is still holding out hope for a potential match with the Dodgers.

While Dodgers brass has publicly indicated that Max Muncy will be the team’s third baseman next season, Denton suggested some gamesmanship in those comments and reports that the Dodgers still have some interest in Arenado. It’s hard to see how that’d work with Muncy in the fold, Freddie Freeman at first base and Shohei Ohtani locked in at designated hitter.

Muncy would make a pricey and overqualified bench player. He’s a highly affordable starter at third, owed $12MM this year with a $10MM club option for 2026. Muncy doesn’t have a no-trade clause, but the 2023-24 version of Arenado isn’t a clear upgrade overall — certainly not when Muncy has been the superior hitter. Muncy’s .232/.358/.494 slash in 2024 (135 wRC+) outpaces Arenado’s .272/.325/.394 output (102 wRC+) — higher batting average for Arenado notwithstanding. Those roadblocks aside, Denton feels the Dodgers aren’t entirely out of the question and that Arenado isn’t likely to approve a deal anywhere “until the Dodgers tell him no to his face.”

There were clearly many factors that went into Arenado’s decision to utilize his no-trade provision, but regardless of the specifics, the scratched Houston deal leaves the Cards in limbo. They’d like to open third base playing time for younger players (e.g. Nolan Gorman, perhaps Jordan Walker) and are simultaneously hopeful of scaling back payroll ahead of next year’s player development-focused “reset” year.

Trading Arenado would’ve done just that, particularly with the Astros apparently willing to foot the majority of the bill. Woo and Rome indicate that Houston was willing to cover around $45MM of Arenado’s deal. ESPN’s Jeff Passan hears differently, reporting that the Astros were willing to cover a heftier $59MM of the $74MM remaining on the contract. That’s on top of the $10MM the Rockies are covering under the terms of their prior deal. In essence, it seems the Cardinals would’ve only been on the hook for anywhere from $5-19MM in total — as compared to the $64MM they currently owe Arenado ($12MM of which is deferred). Woo and Rome write that president of baseball operations John Mozeliak is “facing pressure from ownership” to further reduce payroll.

Taking a step further back, Arenado’s various reported reasons for saying no to the Astros — at least for the time being — suggest we may not get resolution on his trade candidacy anytime soon. If Arenado is waiting to see both whether the Dodgers make a serious push and to see where Bregman lands (perhaps opening the door for a match with an AL East contender), then the Cardinals’ hands are tied to an extent. Passan writes that the Houston veto could push the Cards to show willingness to eat more of the contract, thus bringing in additional suitors. Even in that scenario, the ball would be squarely in Arenado’s court, and if he’s willing to wait out several related market factors, this saga could drag on for some time.

In that scenario, the Cardinals might well be forced to look into other ways they could shed some payroll. Steven Matz ($12MM), Erick Fedde ($7.5MM) and Ryan Helsley (projected $6.9MM) are among the other short-term veterans on the roster who don’t hold the same no-trade provisions that Arenado, Sonny Gray, Willson Contreras and Miles Mikolas hold. Both Contreras and Gray have reportedly told the Cardinals that they prefer to stay in St. Louis and do not plan to waive their no-trade rights.

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  1. King Floch

    6 months ago

    Nolan Arenado, the new patron saint of Astros haters everywhere.

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    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      6 months ago

      Yup!

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    • Stormintazz

      6 months ago

      Until they bring that green salad of salvation. Then that dislike will disappear. $$$$$$$

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    • towinagain

      6 months ago

      As the Padres no longer are vying for a WS, this does not apply to them.

      Padres #punting25

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  2. norcalblue

    6 months ago

    Max is better than Arenado in the clubhouse and at the plate. Can’t imagine AF wanting to replace Max with this prima dana. Please Andrew stay away!

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    • thebirds

      6 months ago

      Whoa! You play pro ball? For the Dodgers or Cardinals? I guess both since you know who’s “better in the clubhouse”. Crazy, didn’t know one person could play for two teams at one time?

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        6 months ago

        The birds

        NorCal is correct that it is well known and has been reported that Max is liked in the Dodger clubhouse. I have not read anything that Nolan was disliked. Max was clearly the better hitter after he came back from injury in 2024. Not a good match for the Dodgers unless Helsley is added as a sweetener.

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        • James123

          6 months ago

          i would say that turning down a no trade to a well run and regarded org like the Stros makes him sound like a primadona. I am now hoping the cards keep him and just make him ride the pine while they see what Gorman has at 3b

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        • paddyo furnichuh

          6 months ago

          Top100…Yeah, deal seems out of the question if Helsey is not involved. Even then, more like LAD try to flip Arenado after getting Helsey (Angels maybe?).

          In that hypothetical situation, there might be 4 teams actually paying Arenado this year

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        • Van Lingle Mungo

          6 months ago

          No, it just shows me that he doesn’t want to play for the Astros, as per his right, since he has a no-trade clause.

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        • Blue Baron

          6 months ago

          James123: Exercising a contractual right makes someone a prima donna? How does that work?

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        • thebirds

          6 months ago

          My thoughts exactly.. STL knows Arenado is good in the clubhouse. Don’t know why these “clubhouse fans” are so worried ago how popular the dude is. I know one thing about him just from watching him over the past few years here in STL. He (like Goldy) lead by example. Period. They both are not the types to make speeches in the locker rooms. But calling him a Primadonna based on absolutely nothing is insane.

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        • spudchukar

          6 months ago

          Exactly!

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        • Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee

          6 months ago

          Yes, I would take Arenado in a Helsley deal….

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        • main benjammin

          6 months ago

          It’s understandable if he wants to see what direction the Astros are going. He’s never been a free agent this is his opportunity to have a say where he goes

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    • Bivouac-Sal

      6 months ago

      @Norcal
      I don’t want to see a trade for Arenado to LAD either but I am curious as to how much time you have spent in the two clubhouses with Max and Nolan?

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    • DonnieMoore

      6 months ago

      As a dodger fan, I like Max. But the strikeouts are really excruciating to watch.

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        6 months ago

        Until he had that awesome on base stretch against the Mets. That was fun to watch.

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      • 17dizzy

        6 months ago

        Mentioning Strikeout Rate reminds me of Nolan Gorman. Gorman has a 37.5% career strikeout rate.

        John Mozeliak states he wants to trade Arenado to place Gorman at 3rd so he can get 600 at bats in next season.

        Unfortunately 600 at bats times 37.5% equals 222 strikeouts for Gorman a season.
        (How in the heck is that going to help the St. Louis Cardinals offense over what they have currently in Arenado?)

        As far as the youth movement…… Donovan, Walker, Saggese, and others can play the infield… including 3rd base if needed. Their career strikeout rates are less than Gormans.

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        • gbs42

          6 months ago

          17dizzy,

          Strikeouts aren’t the end of the world.

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        • Manfred Rob's Earth Band

          6 months ago

          They are the end of that at bat

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        • gbs42

          6 months ago

          Yep, just like any other out. They can’t advance runners, but they also can’t lead to a double play. (Yes, there are rare exceptions to both.)

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        • LongTimeFan1

          6 months ago

          @gbs42,

          Nothing good comes from striking out. It’s back to the pine, no chance of getting on base via walk, or hit. No chance to drive someone in with a ball-in-play, be it hit, error, fielder’s choice, sac fly, HBP, or bases loaded walk.

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        • gbs42

          6 months ago

          LongTime,

          Every out has no chance of getting on base via walk or hit. Strikeouts are generally a little worse than other outs, but the hitters who strike out a lot are usually the ones who crush the ball, so depending on the frequency of each, the tradeoff can be worth it.

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      • derail76

        6 months ago

        The walks aren’t though. The pure number of pitches that he sees, and how he wears pitchers down are a thing of beauty. It’s always funny to me when Max works up a count, fouls a few off, and gets a pitcher up to 6,7,8 pitches in an at bat, just to go yard.

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    • Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee

      6 months ago

      I don’t know about the primadonna stuff. But Muncy’s improvement on defense has made Arenado unnecessary. Nolan just isn’t an upgrade anymore….

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      • derail76

        6 months ago

        I feel that Muncy’s best defensive spot is 2B. The metrics will back it up. I know the Dodgers love Gavin Lux, but I think Muncy would probably play just as good defensively as Lux at 2B, but would really boost the offensive profile. Arenado’s defense with Mook at SS would really straighten up the defense on the left side. Gavin’s second half makes it hard to see them really pushing to move him. Lux is an all star 2Bman if he starts ‘25 off like the 2nd half of ‘24. He had a .309/.390/.508 with a wrc+ of 152 after the break. He was one of the best hitters in baseball in that 2nd half.

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        • norcalblue

          6 months ago

          Agree with you on Lux, not so much on your other points. Arenado makes little sense to me. Dodgers will have a very difficult time getting rid of him and his contract as his decline continues.

          Mookie at short is a real head scratcher to me. I think we’ve got adequate coverage there with Edman and Miggy. If they really want another shortstop, signing Kim on a pillow one-year contract, makes a lot more sense to me. Much prefer Mookie in RF.

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        • derail76

          6 months ago

          I respect your opinion on N.A..

          I think if Mookie can play league average defense at SS, having that bat there is huge. He’ll get time off with guys like Rojas on the roster. I think with a whole off season to prepare for it, instead of it being a late spring training decision, he’ll be fine. Muncy played league average defense at 3B, and he put a lot of work into it. He was really good at 2B when they played him there before. Kim is definitely interesting. I wouldn’t mind if that went that way.

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          6 months ago

          @derail76

          A few things:

          1. Gavin Lux’s second half was propped up by a surface-of-the-sun hot six weeks coming out of the break; from September on, he morphed back into his league-average platoon-bat self. He’s unplayable against LHP, and has one defensive position (that he plays unremarkably). Lux’s time with the Dodgers should be done. (It’s not his fault he was dramatically overrated as a prospect. It happens.)

          2. Max Muncy was a perfectly adequate 2B, but it’s important to note that his reps at 2B came before the rule changes that outlawed the shift. It remains to be seen what he would look like there now, though his improvement at 3B would at least give me some hope.

          3. Moving Mookie back to SS is a bad idea. He opened last year as hot as a player could be, and compiled WAR like it was growing on every tree. But when April ended, Betts was–for the next two months–essentially a league-average hitter, with almost no power. And while that fall-off happened, so too did his defense begin to go sideways. He was not a good shortstop for the majority of his time spent there, and moving back there–to a position that required more of him, day in and day out, than right field–is a very strange decision, regardless of whether he wants it or not. (I suspect that part of his motivation is to prove that he can be better at it than he was.)

          4. Edman should be the starting CF, and should stay there as much as possible. Miggy is a bench option at this point, and to expect anything less would be silly. Here’s hoping LA either signs HSK to that pillow deal–where his elite defense and ability to get on base would be just what LA needed–or trades for Bichette, who’d be a one-year rental.

          Respectfully…..

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        • derail76

          6 months ago

          Well written, and the flipside to everything. And good points, all of them. I’ve always liked NA, and know that he wants to play in LA. Just seems cool. Forget the stats for a minute and it’s just cool to see one of your favorite non Dodgers become Dodgers. I definitely see that it isn’t realistic. But it’s a nice thought in the offseason.

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  3. thebirds

    6 months ago

    In other words.. “we don’t really know what’s going on so we will continue speculate”.

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    • Make Roids Legal Again

      6 months ago

      Speculation is the fuel that keeps the stove hot.

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      • thebirds

        6 months ago

        Rumors*

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        • Macbeth

          6 months ago

          Weird you get upset about rumors on a site called mlbtraderumors.

          That’s like being mad burger King sells burgers.

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        • thebirds

          6 months ago

          No I’m saying it’s speculation. NOT a rumor. Rumors fuel the hot stove not speculation. And before you try to be Mr. smarty-pants over here there is actually a difference between speculation and a rumor. Look it up. Is this MLBTradeSpeculations?

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        • los_leebos

          6 months ago

          is a rumor not but speculation shared?

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        • Tomas7

          6 months ago

          I think rumors are great, it gives some of us baseball junkies something to keep going in the offseason—-have to keep a good sense of humor though.

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        • thebirds

          6 months ago

          Wouldn’t call those burger though.. just saying.

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        • SFGRab

          6 months ago

          A rose by any other name….

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        • Gator50

          6 months ago

          Pretty much. Don’t know that trying to make distinctions between speculation and rumor, on a site with rumors in the title, is really worthwhile.

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        • Manfred Rob's Earth Band

          6 months ago

          Thats it. I’m starting up mlbtradespeculatons.com.

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      • Bart Harley Jarvis

        6 months ago

        This is quite the cliffhanger! So exciting!

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    • goob

      6 months ago

      Why – it’s almost as if this article doesn’t report a single thing about what does indeed appear to be going on behind the scenes, eh birdy?

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      • NYCityRiddler

        6 months ago

        First day here? Ahahahaha!

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  4. VonPurpleHayes

    6 months ago

    Both the Astros and Arenado would’ve loved to have each other 2 years ago. Now? Not so much.

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    • walls17

      6 months ago

      What would the Astros have done with Bregman in that scenario?

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        6 months ago

        I dunno. Move things around with the DH. It’s more of a point that Arenado and the Stros are not as good as they once were.

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  5. Payne Train

    6 months ago

    Ownership stinks. I’d rather keep Arenado than pay someone else to take him and not get any kind of return.

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    • cwsOverhaul

      6 months ago

      Yes, but it’s not your business/money. Cardinals aren’t good right now with him, and the prize is to offload a sizable portion of tens of millions of dollars. They are not cheap and can use savings in a year or 2 after retooling the roster.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      6 months ago

      I agree with Payne’s attitude as a fan. Cardinals have solid attendance does not seem like they need to give Nolan away. But if they want a solid prospect back they are going to have to pay down even more of Nolan’s salary.

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  6. CardsFan57

    6 months ago

    So Arenado is holding out to assess the best available landing spot. I have no problem with that.

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    • bigjonliljon

      6 months ago

      If he’s not careful, he will wait too long to accept a trade and end up staying with the Cardinals rebuild whether he wants to or not. Other teams are not going to hold off on building there teams while waiting to see what goes on with Nolan.

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        6 months ago

        There is always the trade deadline or next year. He has nothing to lose by taking his time.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 months ago

          He definitely has something to lose. Poor play or an injury and he’s staying in STL past the deadline. If he doesn’t really mind—- then he’s playing with house money trying to go to his preferred destination. Very real outcome though.

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        • Canuckleball

          6 months ago

          He has one thing to lose by taking his time. Time.

          He’s only 33, yet his recent seasons suggest a possible early age decline. He wants to participate in the playoffs. If he stays with the Cardinals this year and has another disappointing season (by his standards) he’ll be 34 and had 3 straight years of underwhelming performance. there may not be many good teams seeking to trade for him next off-season.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          6 months ago

          Good point

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        • spudchukar

          6 months ago

          If the Astros really want Arenado, and not just posturing with Bregman, they ought to acquire a first baseman and outfielder. Losing both Bregman and Tucker is a huge blow to the offense and I am sure Arenado can see this too!

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    • Blue Baron

      6 months ago

      CardsFan57: Yeah, imagine the greedy, ungrateful player not just caving in to whatever the team and ownership tell him to do?

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    • thickiedon

      6 months ago

      That’s BS. Houston was his best option. They were originally on his list of acceptable teams. That’s why StL & Hou had a trade lined up. I don’t see how he fits on any of the others on his wish list. That said… I’m thrilled that the trade fell apart

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      • Blue Baron

        6 months ago

        How do you know that the Astros were on the list? Where did you read that?

        And why does it bother you?

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      • CardsFan57

        6 months ago

        The six teams were reported as Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Phillies, Mets, or Red Sox on this site last week.

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  7. BrianCashmansBurner

    6 months ago

    What an odd situation.

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  8. ohyeadam

    6 months ago

    He’s doing the right thing by the players union. Doesn’t want to steal a suitor from Bregman. He will wait for him to sign before he allows a trade

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    • Make Roids Legal Again

      6 months ago

      I was thinking something similar Adam. Nolan taking the Astros trade before Alex could’ve potentially hurt Bergman’s negotiations by eliminating a fallback option.

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    • WadeBoggsWildRide

      6 months ago

      Excellent comment and something I am sure most hadn’t considered since I didn’t.

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    • Vergil9000

      6 months ago

      I didnt think of that. that makes sense

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      • Jbigz12

        6 months ago

        Plausible. But he’d be taking himself out as a fallback option for everyone that didn’t land Bregman though.

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    • thickiedon

      6 months ago

      This is more Boras’ doing than the union, but, yes, a trade potentially would negatively affect Bergman’s eventual deal in turn reducing Boras’ commission

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        6 months ago

        Is Boras Arenado’s agent?

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        • Bivouac-Sal

          6 months ago

          Read.
          The.
          Article.

          Joel Wolfe is his agent.

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      • Tigers3232

        6 months ago

        @thickie Only issue with your half witted theory is that Boras doesn’t represent him…

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  9. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    6 months ago

    He’s a veteran with only a couple of years left on his career defining contract and likely his career in general.

    I don’t blame him for flexing every ounce of his contractual rights and veteran power to land where he wants for the final stretch of his career.

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    • bucsfan0004

      6 months ago

      If he wanted to play for a winner so badly, he had the opportunity to opt out of his final years and sign wherever. He chose the money. Nothing wrong with St Louis… theyll be contending again in about 3yrs

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        6 months ago

        He would have made more opting out. He chose to stay with a perennial contender.

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      • CardsFan57

        6 months ago

        He left up to $100 million on the table by opting in after his career year. He believed St. Louis would remain a perennial contender at the time.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          6 months ago

          Perennial Contender!

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  10. sultan of swat

    6 months ago

    It’s about money. Arenado wants to either add on more years and/or cash. It’s always about money. Especially for a guy who’s on the backend of his career and this will be his last chance to make a buck.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 months ago

      I don’t think so. Arenado could’ve opted out 2 years ago and likely gotten himself some more money coming off a career year. He didn’t.

      May really not want to go to Houston. That’s his right but he may be stuck in STL bc of it.

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    • Kyle Pepperpants

      6 months ago

      Arenado really likes St. Louis. And this never gets mentioned but he likes being part of a team that has a team bible study as well. Not sure who else is on that now with Goldy, Waino, and Molina gone. STL and KC are big on those Christians!

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  11. ❤️ MuteButton

    6 months ago

    Maybe Nolan still thinks he’s a superstar despite evidence to the contrary.

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    • CKinSTL

      6 months ago

      What does that matter? He has a no-trade provision in his contract and is free to use it.

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      • ❤️ MuteButton

        6 months ago

        I was more referring to him thinking that he would be in demand for the Dodgers. But yeah turning down an opportunity to the Astros…..whatever

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          6 months ago

          Think Muncy’s ham body could shift to 2nd? Arenado at SS or 2nd? Mookie to 2nd? I like Muncy but he is a big boy!

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        • ❤️ MuteButton

          6 months ago

          The Dodgers don’t need Arenado and I think they’ve been pretty clear that they don’t want him. The fact that the Astros wanted him, makes them highly sus

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          6 months ago

          Seeing your username made me think someone muted me in the notifications. Now I feel like a boomer!

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        • ❤️ MuteButton

          6 months ago

          Lol. I do love being able to mute people. When people get abusive, I got no time for them. Btw, disagreement of course is not a problem. I’m humble enough to know my opinions are biased frequently

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          6 months ago

          @Wade

          Muncy was the superior player to Arenado last year–and it wasn’t particularly close. Defensively, Muncy was fine at 3B, and offensively, he was significantly better than Arenado–more pop and a better OBP. He’s also making a fraction of the money Arenado is, on a shorter, team-friendly contract.

          And Muncy has played 2nd in the past, and been better there than he was at 3rd (until last year, when again, he was perfectly fine).

          The Dodgers should be thinking far more about signing HSK to a pillow deal to play SS and let Mookie slide to 2nd, rather then making Arenado’s dream come true.

          Two years ago, the Dodgers wanted him badly…and he chose to stay in STL And more power to him.

          But that was the window–and it sure does seem like it’s now closed…..

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          6 months ago

          HSK would end up being longer term than Arenado though. Depending on what the Cards eat Arenado’s contract could be more palatable. He would probably be better D at 3B with ok hitting. HSK may take a while to heal too. It is a doable deal but you’re right the ship may have sailed as far as Friedman is concerned.

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        • 17dizzy

          6 months ago

          I definitely hope that window opens back up between Arenado and the Dodgers, or even the Padres, (back with his Manager Mike Schildt).

          I do believe… either as a 3rd baseman or a first baseman,…. Arenado is the missing link for either one of these teams next National League Championship!!!!!

          Personally I want the best for Arenado.
          Simply because he’s been put through the wringer by a liar in John Mozeliak.

          As the old saying goes, —- “A Man is Just as Good as his Word”,
          rings loudly with the Cardinals Organization!!
          President of Baseball Operations, John
          Mozeliak’s word is horrible… which tells you what type of person Nolan Arenado has had to deal with over the past few years.

          Arenado deserves to be traded to a
          World Series Contending Team after serving under Mozeliak’s lies and descention.

          Arenado wants to finish his career on a contending team!!!

          I’m proud to see Arenado is using his no trade clause to his own advantage!!!
          Otherwise …… Mozeliak would dump him and Cardinals Cash to any team who would have him.

          Lordy——- Arenado has given Mozeliak an out on his no trade contract and he didn’t have to do that!!!

          Arenado has listed … and published nationally…. 6 teams he would void his no-trade clause to leave the Cardinals.

          For Mozeliak to try to trade him to any other teams is a joke!!!
          That’s why a no-trade clause is in an athletic contract.
          Mozeliak designed it and was the one who placed it in the contract!!!
          It is just working the opposite way Mozeliak intended for it to work!!

          If Mozeliak can’t trade Arenado to one of his 6 designated teams ——
          Arenado remains with the Cardinals and Mozeliak can’t dump his $30+ million salary from their books.
          I think that’s hilarious!!!!

          In this case —— If Arenado’s can’t get what he deserves——- then John Mozeliak and the Cardinals are going to get exactly what they deserve!!
          How Funny!!!!!!!

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    • CardsFan57

      6 months ago

      He’s going to be paid no matter what.

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      • 17dizzy

        6 months ago

        Yes he is CardsFan57.

        If Mozeliak tries to trade him to a team outside of the 6 teams Arenado has requested ——— Then I hope he remains in St. Louis in 2025 and the Cardinals and Mozeliak have to eat his entire salary.

        (In 2026 —- when Bloom takes over —- I would suspect an acceptable trade could be made —- satisfying both parties —— that is once Mozeliak is out of the picture).

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  12. Jbigz12

    6 months ago

    Padres-not spending money. Definitely not on Arenado.

    Dodgers—seems unlikely given their options. Friedman doesn’t typically make these kind of moves.

    Mets—I’d bet Walker, Bregman, and Alonso are higher on their wish list.

    Yankees—-Cashman likes a big name that doesn’t have the same on field production anymore. Massive hole at 3B. If he wants to add more to the lux tax bill. Maybe.

    Red Sox— Casas and Devers. Yoshida still around. Breslow is a bright guy. Don’t see this at all.

    Angels—never count Arte out. Might be the most likely move. Dumb one but Arte is calling the shots!

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    • mlbnyyfan

      6 months ago

      If I’m the Yankees, I would trade DJL for Nolan. One bad contract for another.

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      • eatonculo

        6 months ago

        Cardinals are shedding salary. They’re not taking on another bad contract.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 months ago

          It’s less money with DJL. I think that would be a last resort option for the Cards if ownership is really looking to slash spending for the next few years. If the Yanks could make that happen—Sure. He’s better than anything they have internally and dumping DJ’s money would help offset the hit.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 months ago

          Didn’t realize DJ had 2 years of that left. Thought he was down to 1 bad year. That won’t happen without the Yanks covering 1 year.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          6 months ago

          @jbigz12

          It’s not happening, not for DJL. The Cards can simply eat $30M (DJL’s remaining salaries) of Arenado’s contract and get a greater return of players and then go sign Brendan Rogers.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 months ago

          Agreed. I thought the Yanks owed Lemahieu $15-16MM this year and that was that. I didn’t realize it was for 2

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      • BITA

        6 months ago

        LeMahieu is a terrible terrible contract. Arenado isn’t

        Nootbaar
        Arenado

        For

        Dominguez
        LeMahieu

        That makes sense.

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        • Salzilla

          6 months ago

          No chance the Yanks trade Jasson for that. Nootbar is overrated and Nolan has slipped. Not saying they wouldn’t trade him, but that’s not the right deal. He’d be a centerpiece for say a Cease type deal.

          Also, seeing as Nolan already rejected the Stros, I think he sticks to his no trade clause until all approved teams have been exhausted.

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        • BITA

          6 months ago

          The Cardinals would take on that ridiculous LeMahieu contract in the deal. Thats a terrible contract. If they did that and got Dominguez back it would make sense for both teams.

          That approved list team was fake news.

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        • Salzilla

          6 months ago

          He has a no trade clause for sure though and if it’s limited there’s indeed a list.

          The article referenced is just that, an article written by a writer, it isn’t an official team statement. There’s zero chance the team doesn’t know who’s on Arenado’s list and the list that was floated was so specific that there must be more than smoke there. And he already rejected a trade to the Astros, a competitive team and one that wasn’t on that list.

          That trade doesn’t make sense though from the perspective of giving up a prospect like Jasson. I’d rather just keep DJ in that scenario tbh. And I say that as someone who does like Nolan, but nah.

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        • Vergil9000

          6 months ago

          no way jasson is going the other way, it would have to be a minimal prospect because of the money

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          6 months ago

          @Salzilla It’s been stated in a The Athletic article that he’s not agreeing to a Houston trade right now. I guess he’s waiting for more teams’ offseasons to take shape before deciding. He’s fine with being traded and that will have probably to wait until Bregman signs where more teams have him for plan B/C.

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        • slider32

          6 months ago

          Yanks on his no trade list, heard it’s 5 teams Phillies, Mets, Red Sox, Angels and Dodgers!

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        • spudchukar

          6 months ago

          Not for the Cards. Nootbar has better tools and more promise, So the Cards would be moving Arenado to get DJL???

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        • Salzilla

          6 months ago

          Oh I know and I’m fine with that. Not my preferred option anyway.

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        • Salzilla

          6 months ago

          I’d rather have a baseball top 25 prospect in Domingez. Kinda seen Lars’ game by now, it’s ok at best. Could he still break out? Sure, but not a worthwhile trade for the Yankees more.

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          6 months ago

          BITA

          WTF are you smoking? (And please pass it upon your left-hand side….)

          That’s a hilariously bad trade proposal…..

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        • Tigers3232

          6 months ago

          That makes no sense at all. The Yankees aren’t trading Dominguez for an aging expensive player.

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        • 17dizzy

          6 months ago

          Once the Astros show they want to be a serious World Series contending team in 2025, ——- I could see Arenado accepting a trade to them!!

          Right now the Astros are less Bergman and Tucker on offense from last season’s team.

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        • jmaa

          6 months ago

          Lars would hit numerous pop flies over that short porch. Don’t think Lars is available and Arenado remains a Cardinal. Mo tees off from the women’s tees competing in the NL Central and will chip in for another bogey in 25.

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      • Vergil9000

        6 months ago

        If i’m yankees, i’d insist on brendan donovan also, and assume most of arenado’s contract. Can fill 2 positions in one trade (1b and 3b)

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        • BITA

          6 months ago

          Donovans best position is not 1b. And the deal i suggested is fair.

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        • Cardsfanatik redux

          6 months ago

          Oh bless your heart…

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        • gbs42

          6 months ago

          Getting Jason Dominguez for Nootbaar plus some salary relief with the Arenado-DJL swap is not fair. The Yankees would never do that.

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        • BITA

          6 months ago

          Yes it is fair. Lemahieu is owed 30 million and is a poor spring training away from being released. Nootbaar is a good player. It’s fair. This would allow the Yankees to get their 3b and someone more reliable in the outfield and it wouldn’t cost them a lot of money.

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        • Salzilla

          6 months ago

          Again, no one is giving up a top 25 prospect for an ok player like Nootbar and aging Arenado just to get rid of a bad contract. Sorry in no universe is that fair nor a trade any Yankees fan would want.

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    • BITA

      6 months ago

      Arenado is calling the shots and he isn’t going to the Angels.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 months ago

        He put a list out with 6 teams he’d go to.

        Guess what?

        Angels were on it!

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        • BITA

          6 months ago

          Did you read this article? It says that list was made up nonsense.

          I know what he wants. Seen interviews with him. He wants to win. He has his money he wants to win. And the Angels are not winners.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 months ago

          You’re right though. Arenado is calling the shots.

          Cardinals will not get a favorable return. Limited teams can be involved (per Arenado’s wishes) & he has a contract with no surplus value. If ownership says the Cards absolutely need to slash payroll—you’ll be extremely disappointed with the return.

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        • BITA

          6 months ago

          I think he basically has neutral trade value. Maybe 5 million one way or another.

          I don’t think ownership has said they need to slash payroll further than what has already happened. That’s nonsense reporting by Cubs fans.

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        • Jbigz12

          6 months ago

          No BTV reporting on this one, Joel?!? They have Arenado at -16.5MM surplus value!

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        • BITA

          6 months ago

          That site started charging money so I don’t use it anymore.

          Arenado is worth more than that.

          Who’s better Arenado or Kikuchi?

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      • Salzilla

        6 months ago

        The Angels are on his approved list.

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        • DFAed in Gaffa

          6 months ago

          There is no list, according to the article.

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      • 17dizzy

        6 months ago

        For some reason…. Arenado does have the Angels on his list he’d accept a trade.
        (?????)

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        • Tigers3232

          6 months ago

          @17 It states right in the article that Arenado never provided the list that was reported initially.

          As for the Angels, he grew up near LA. I’ve also read somewhere he grew up an Angels fan, not sure if that is true. If so the allure of playing for team he grew up a fan of could b appealing enough he’d forsake being on a contender. I personally think if I was in Arenado’s situation and Tigers weren’t a contender, they would b only non contending team I’d consider. The dream of being a member of that team I think would just always have a strong appeal.

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    • los_leebos

      6 months ago

      With one of Cease, Arraez, or Suarez traded separately and the Cards paying down a very generous amount of Arenado’s contract (perhaps a mid prospect from the Pads to enable it, down to maybe 9mil/yr), I could actually see the Padres jumping in on Arenado as a 1B/3B/DH, maybe seeing Manny DH a little more as he enters his mid-30s. It wouldn’t be the most outside-the-box thing AJ’s done, and it’d fill multiple holes while freeing up a few million for AJ’s requisite late offseason FA signings. Not saying they should, just saying I could see it.

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      • BITA

        6 months ago

        Arenado makes no sense whatsoever for the Padres.

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        • los_leebos

          6 months ago

          @Bita: haha I dont disagree, but neither did Bogaerts!! When has sensibility ever stopped AJ Preller?

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          6 months ago

          He doesn’t need to for Preller to work some kind of magic

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  13. sw

    6 months ago

    Re Cardinals trading other players. It is very weird that all of the beat writers say Gray wants to stay and won’t waive his NTC, but immediately after the winter meetings, Feinsand reported: “According to sources, … Sonny Gray (Cardinals) [is] among the pitchers available for trade.” I’ve yet to see any follow up on that.

    mlb.com/news/mlb-free-agent-trade-rumors-after-win…

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    • 17dizzy

      6 months ago

      You’re right about the rumored Gray availability…… that is all coming out of Mozeliak’s lying mouth though.

      I would think you’d see Gray invoke his no-trade clause unless Mozeliak got him a trade to a team such as the Padres, Yankees or Dodgers. True World Series contenders.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 months ago

        I’d bet Sonny Gray wants absolutely nothing to do with the Yankees.

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        • Tigers3232

          6 months ago

          Yeah Gray did not pitch well and from all that I’ve seen reported was in no way fond of his time there. Some places/situations just are not for everyone.

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  14. Mikenmn

    6 months ago

    He’s got a to trade for a reason, and has no obligation to waive it. He knows this is his last big contract, although it’s possible he could get a lower-cost gig for 2028. He’s not quite HOF, and probably won’t get there, so why not a team that is likely to make the playoffs and compete fof a WS?

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    • Tigers3232

      6 months ago

      Absolutely agree he has a NTC for a reason. Cards also knew this while acquiring him.

      As for the HOF, numerous sports writers already refer to him as a future HOFer. His #s added to his defense seem to make him a near lock, plus whatever he still adds upon his totals. Defensively he’s in the conversation for the best ever @ 3B.

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  15. BITA

    6 months ago

    Jordan Walker isn’t playing 3b. I guarantee it.

    Some of these reports are nonsense garbage. Just like that 6 team trade list some of this is just garbage it’s not true

    He wants to play for the Dodgers. Thats a fact.

    We will see what happens after Bregman signs.

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    • CardsFan57

      6 months ago

      Donovan, Saggase, or Gorman will play third if Arenado is moved.

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      • BITA

        6 months ago

        I think they might bring someone else in but it won’t be a full time 3b that’s for sure.

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        • Tigers3232

          6 months ago

          @Joel Cards are in some form of a rebuild/reboot everyone other than you seems to b aware of this. That said I’d say for the right return they don’t really have anyone that’s untouchable. Is Gorman likely to be traded? Probably not, but if the right offer comes along I’m sure they’d move him.

          Ultimately there’s a price for everyone, whether anyone would ever pay that price is a different story. In Gorman’s case I think the Cards might value him pretty high, but what would make him tradeable would not be something that would ve inconceivable.

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      • 17dizzy

        6 months ago

        I’m not the only “OMG not Gorman guy.”

        He might be a decent defensive 3rd baseman.
        However, Gorman is a 37.5% lifetime strikeout artist.
        Even if he is “capable of hitting 25-35 homers”,
        ——- 225 strikeouts in 600 at bats equals a perpetual rally killer in your every day lineup.

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  16. coocoo20

    6 months ago

    Yankees should look in on Nolan Gorman and sign Walker Buehler

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    • BITA

      6 months ago

      Gorman is not available at all. Gorman was blocked by both Arenado and Goldschmidt. His natural position is either 3b or 1b and the Cardinals are going to figure that out here soon.

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      • 17dizzy

        6 months ago

        As Gorman’s 37.5% strikeout rate has shown….. he is a true rally killer in anybody’s everyday lineup.

        If he could possibly become a solid contact hitter instead of the strikeout king he currently is —— things could be different with him.

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        • Tigers3232

          6 months ago

          @17 Its hilarious BITC/Joel finds Gorman untouchable, yet here he is thinking Cards can aquire Dominguez.

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  17. Mondesi’s Cannon

    6 months ago

    Is 2nd base not an option for Muncy? He’s had passable defense there in the past and his bat clearly would play there. Just a thought…

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    • highflyballintorightfield

      6 months ago

      I think 2B is Muncy’s best defensive position, best being a relative term of course. But is Arenado an improvement over a displaced Lux/Taylor 2B platoon? Is he worth tying up the last roster spot that could have gone to one of the Hernandezes?

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        6 months ago

        Arenado’s glove alone makes him worth a roster spot. 2nd is the only “weak” spot in that infield.

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          6 months ago

          @Wade

          Other than Mookie at SS….? Because by the end of that experiment last year, it was rough in the field for Betts. Understandably so, I might add, but man….

          Again, Arenado in the 7-hole in LA and playing a very good 3B would be fine, but as currently constituted, there’s just no room at the inn…..

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      6 months ago

      Yes! This has been my point every time the possibility of the Dodgers trading for Arenado comes up, but it is somehow never even considered in these articles. And now that the Dodgers have stated that Betts is playing SS, how can it be ignored? Beats me. Anyway, if the Dodgers swing a trade for Arenado, the likely scenario is Muncy moves to 2B and Lux is traded. Maybe Lux and Taylor go to the Cards for Arenado and a high-level prospect.

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      • Mondesi’s Cannon

        6 months ago

        Approved! Send it, haha

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      • CommentsSectionCommenter

        6 months ago

        @Blue

        In a vacuum (and from LA’s side), this would seem to work. But the Cards have too many young infielders in need of ABs as it is, and I can’t imagine they’d necessarily want to take on a 2B-only platoon bat and a guy in CT who’s simply washed…..

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          6 months ago

          I’m considering Arenado’s contract to be under water (probably won’t get much argument there), so Taylor is the offset, and Lux is the surplus value that nets a prospect. Can’t say how this would work for the Card’s roster, but they are not in the driver’s seat here. Maybe a third team makes it work.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          6 months ago

          Lux could be flipped elsewhere for another need

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        6 months ago

        Mookie to 2nd and Arenado at SS?

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          6 months ago

          Another nonzero chance, meaning, no.

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  18. Butter Biscuits

    6 months ago

    Dodgers can easily trade Muncys contract to an AL team if they get Arenado but the cardinals have to take Chris Taylor and probably add some $ too to entice Friedman

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    • BITA

      6 months ago

      I don’t think Arenado has negative trade value. He’s owed 64 million from the Cardinals the next 3 years. That’s Yusei Kikuchi money.

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    • ohyeadam

      6 months ago

      Munch is one of the Dodgers guys. They’ve yet to allow him to reach free agency. They’re not trading him. If they acquire a 3B he will be at 2B. Would imagine him in the OF before they trade him

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      • Niekro floater

        6 months ago

        Dodgers don’t need Arenado. Rather have Muncy. What they need to do is re-sign Teo n Kike then fingers crossed, seduce Riki. Add another leverage bullpen arm n they’re done. 2025 Dodgers !

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    • CommentsSectionCommenter

      6 months ago

      @Butter

      There is NO WAY the Dodgers will trade Muncy–and especially not to take on Arenado. Last year, Muncy was the superior player, and it wasn’t particularly close. His defense was perfectly fine, and he was the far better offensive player, and he’s on a shorter and much more team-friendly deal. He’s a part of the Dodgers core, and there’s just no way that’s going to change, on a one-for-one basis…..

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      • BITA

        6 months ago

        Last year Muncy played half a season. Thats not superior.

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        • fox471 Dave

          6 months ago

          Pretty sure most Dodger fans like Muncy but those strikeouts are debilitating.

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        • Niekro floater

          6 months ago

          But when he’s hot he’s on fire. Makes the KO doldrums somewhat palatable. Improved his glove work @3rd too. Not Brooks Robinson but better then he’d been. Plus Dodgers really value defensive versatility in players n Max can play multiple positions.

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          6 months ago

          BITA:

          Muncy did miss time, and yet hit 15 HRs in just 237 ABs.

          Arenado hit 16 in 578 ABs–or a little less than half of Muncy’s output per AB.

          Muncy scored 48 runs in 73 games; Arenado scored 70 in 152.

          Muncy had 48 RBI in 73 games; Arenado had 71 in 152.

          Muncy’s OPS+ was 141; Arenado’s OPS+ was 101.

          Muncy was worth more WAR (3.0) than Arenado (2.5), despite playing fewer than half the games that Arenado did.

          Not sure what you think “superior” means, but by virtually every measure, Muncy was, ya know…superior to Arenado.

          And since Muncy hasn’t been injury-prone, it’s also fair to assume that he’ll be healthier than last year, and thus, the numbers above will likely lean even more in Muncy’s favor, as Muncy does what he does at a fraction of the cost of a rather rapidly declining Arenado…..

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        • BITA

          6 months ago

          Muncy missed half the year bozo

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          6 months ago

          …and yet, Muncy STILL was the superior offensive player.

          So feel free to keep making that same desperate point, but it’s not going to make Muncy”s offensive superiority to Arenado in 2024 any less true…..

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        • BITA

          6 months ago

          Arenado is the superior defensive player

          Fangraphs says Arenado was the better overall player.

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        • Sagacity

          6 months ago

          Comments = Muncy sucks. One of the most inconsistent players in the history of the Dodgers. Lifetime .228 hitter but hey he was awesome in LAD because he hit .230!!! hahaha

          Muncy is 33 and never played 150 games in a single season.

          Arenado never embarrassed himself by hitting below .250 and Muncy hit over .250 twice.

          Muncy’s 3B defensive numbers resemble DEVERS. The BUTCHER OF BOSTON, the WORST 3B in BOSTON HISTORY and now approaching the all-time record for worst 3B ever across the sport since the DEAD BALL ERA over 100 years ago. Yep, Muncy should shine Arenado’s shoes because they don’t belong in the same league, even today when the sun is setting on both their mediocre career for Muncy and Arenado’s HOF career.

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          6 months ago

          @Sagacity

          Your argument is based on….batting average? You got me…in 1983.

          Muncy is now a more productive player than Arenado for a fraction of the cost, in part because his 3B defense is no longer a team-killer.

          Muncy also has 13 HRs and an .832 OPS in 62 postseason games..

          Arenado has exactly ONE home run and a .385 OPS in EIGHT postseason games (six of which Arenado’s team lost).

          So I’ll get Muncy over there to his shoes, as long as Arenado has a safe place to store Muncy’s two WS rings (and counting)…..

          Clown.

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        • Sagacity

          5 months ago

          Comments – No wonder your viewpoint is so disturbing skewed. You’re a Dodger fan. hahaha The Billion Dollar spenders that won you a ring and the short season winners. Yep that makes sense. They sucked from 1988 to 2020 when they were given Mookie thanks to Bloom’s mentor being in LA. hahaha Way to earn those wins. The team that believe is participation trophies or a completely non level playing field. hahaha You guys are a joke.

          Muncy sucks and always has. Arenado is the best 3B since Brett or Schmidt.

          There is no data you can pretend to exist that disputes that point. You’re simply a poser.

          So if Arenado is so bad then Kershaw is the worst pitcher ever? Based on your criterion of course. You moron.

          Go back to your fashion shows. Clearly you know nothing about baseball you poser.

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  19. Captainmike1

    6 months ago

    Nolan
    Over rated
    Over paid
    Over the hill

    Remember DJLM
    Remember Donaldson

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    • Mikenmn

      6 months ago

      I’ve tried very hard to forget DJLM and Donaldson, and there you going, ruining it for me.

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  20. Mynameisnoname

    6 months ago

    He had every opportunity to sign with a perennial competitive club. He chose the most money and the Rox- all silly promises to be competitive aside.

    Nolan is a glove first, leave average bat being paid like a 3 hole hitter. Now he’s hoping to latch onto the LAD for a championship largely provided by others. Not a great look.

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  21. Mikenmn

    6 months ago

    He was drafted by Colorado, subsequently traded to St. Louis. If you are talking about signing an extension….I’m not going to beat up on a player who stays with the team that drafted him.

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  22. It's in the CARDS

    6 months ago

    Hate on Mo all you want, but I don’t envy his job right now. Pressure from management and Arenado to trade him, and 29 teams who would do anything to fleece him, all while trying to do something about declining ticket sales and revenue and being a lame duck with his younger replacement whispering in the FO’s ear. Maybe Santa will deliver some valium for Christmas (or something stronger, like cyanide).

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    • WadeBoggsWildRide

      6 months ago

      Nice username

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    • CommentsSectionCommenter

      6 months ago

      @It’s in the

      Except that Mo’s mismanagement and negligence are a big part of why STL is in the mostly awful position it’s in today. Sure, DeWitt wants to cosplay being a Rickett, buying up Ballpark Village real estate instead of wielding the financial might the franchise possesses (PARTICULARLY in that division). But the organization has gone bad within–and that’s on Mo too…..

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  23. goob

    6 months ago

    So, 34 yr old Arenado, who’s trended south 2 seasons in a row now, and is no longer at the top of his game, nor a star player anymore, is putting his foot down to somehow force his way onto baseball’s most formidable and most star-studded franchise, which BTW, has no clear need for him…to say the least.

    Well, isn’t that precious,

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    • CommentsSectionCommenter

      6 months ago

      @goob

      It almost makes me feel sorry for him.

      And then I remember two years ago, when the Dodgers came calling at the deadline and it seemed it would happen if Arenado waived his NTC, and…he didn’t.

      He chose. Which is fine, and more power to him.

      But he chose this.

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      • Sagacity

        6 months ago

        comments – So a guy plays his whole life and earns the right to choose and you condemn him because he doesn’t think like you!!
        hahaha

        You are a joke. He’s doing exactly what’s best for him and his family and has earned the right. Also, to the dbags who suggest his skills on defense are falling off – Go look at the real numbers. His numbers improved last year but ONE guy got a lot better and won the Gold Glove after he won 10.

        It just proves when the stories fall off the non-baseball fans start chirping.

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        • CommentsSectionCommenter

          6 months ago

          @Sag

          Condemn him? You might want to push yourself away from the keyboard, champ.

          I LITERALLY WROTE “More power to him” in reference to his exercising his contractual right to veto trades. He earned that, and made use of it.

          But now that he’s trying to essentially sick-out his way to LA, it’s also fair to say that the Dodgers’ interest in him doesn’t match his in the Dodgers, because things change, pal.

          Teams move on, and improve in other ways. And players get older, and decline before our very eyes.

          And loudmouths make arguments about players based on batting averages and Gold Gloves–two relics of a forgotten age.

          So…keep at it, brother. Because you’re really killing this so far….

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        • Sagacity

          5 months ago

          Comments – There isn’t enough time to educate you on the sport so go back to watching soccer you baseball fan wannabe.

          Ignorance about simple things like batting average says volumes about your lack of knowledge. Play the game some time dbag.

          Arrogant know nothing fake fans from LA. It’s shocking hahahahaha You are such a know nothing jackass I can’t stop laughing at you.

          hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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  24. terry g

    6 months ago

    Opinions are strong here

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  25. twopitchmix

    6 months ago

    Question for Dodgers fans, is moving Muncy to LF or RF a possibility at all? Is that something you guys think the dodgers would consider if they don’t resign Teoscar – going for Arenado as that right handed bat?

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      6 months ago

      I’d call this a non-zero chance, which put another way, means no way. For some reason Steve Adams can’t see a way for Muncy to remain on the roster if Arenado is added, but the way is easy to see. Muncy moves back to 2B and Lux is traded.

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    • CommentsSectionCommenter

      6 months ago

      @Wiz

      Muncy in the outfield is an absolute non-starter. It wouldn’t be pretty, nor would it be worth it to shoe-horn a guy they don’t really need.

      But I’m with BlueSkies on the trade front. Muncy is a better 2B than he is a 3B, and if Lux were moved in a part of a package to bring Arenado, then I could see that happening. But from my understanding, your Cards have too many young infielders as it is, and Lux is–if we’re keeping it really real–a 2B-only platoon bat…..

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  26. BigdaddyMike

    6 months ago

    So when does a .232 average make you a superior hitter over a .272 hitter? War doesn’t equate to reality. Base hits do.

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      6 months ago

      By OPS+ Muncy is the somewhat better hitter. His not so secret weapon is SLG and OBP. No WAR required. But despite what this article says, it isn’t an either/or proposition.

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    • hunteralan

      6 months ago

      When said player is superior in virtually every other offensive statistic (OBP, SLG, OPS, OPS+, etc.), then the .232 is the superior hitter. Pretty simple really.

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      • BigdaddyMike

        6 months ago

        According to who? He sucks at average. Plain and simple. AAA hitters can hit 232 in the bigs.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          6 months ago

          I’m far from a new age stat guy, but I still have no problem recognizing the significance of stats other than BA in evaluating players. The teams sure do, and so should we. Bottom line, Arenado and Muncy are roughly equivalent in value in hitting, just for different reasons. If it was simply a matter of replacing Muncy with Arenado I’d say the Dodgers get an offensive wash with improved defense at 3B. But of course it isn’t a matter of replacing one with the other because the Dodgers can easily accommodate both while freeing up a reasonably valuable trade chip in Lux.

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        • BigdaddyMike

          6 months ago

          Some stats are overrated. It all comes down to hitting. Like a guy that hits 40 longballs but only bats 240, versus a guy that hits 300 but only 15 longballs. Who has more value? A lot depends on where they are in the lineup. Are they the RBI guy or the get on base score guy.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          6 months ago

          Hard to know how to respond to this assertion but I’ve always thought player evaluation required looking a multiple factors, since no one of them tells the entire story. I won’t ever cite one stat, such as WAR or BA, and say “argument over.” How teams do their analysis we really don’t know. They are trade secrets, but we can be sure the methods are complex and take in a lot of variables.

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  27. hunteralan

    6 months ago

    “No, to your face, Nolan.”

    Signed,
    A. Friedman

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  28. casualfan

    6 months ago

    It’s good this site is called MLB trade RUMORS and not MLB TRUTH(like Trump’s site!), because with that in mind, we all need to remember there is more speculation here then a dodgy crypto trading platform.

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  29. texasbug

    6 months ago

    I remember this happen before on 1/22/1969 The Montreal Expos traded First baseman Donn Clendenon to the Houston Astros for Rusty Staub. However Clendenon refused to report to the Astros, later he was traded to the New York Mets, And u know the rest of the story the New York Mets won the World Series…

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    • casualfan

      6 months ago

      I mentioned this in the other thread, but if you’re 34 and have already earned over $220mil, I think it would be nice to choose where you want to live and work. I’ve never been to Houston, but have been to Boston, NY, LA, SD, SF and wherever else seems to be on the list and if I’m going weather, SD is unbeatable, but hey NY is NY and that would be kind of awesome to live there if you are super rich. Not sure Houston can really compete as a place to live with those others mentioned, but I am happy to listen to reasonable discussions about it.

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  30. sfjackcoke

    6 months ago

    I understand where Arenado is at, the 3rd base market and the free agent market in general is still not far along. There could be valid reasoning for him to hear from LAD that they are in fact “out”.

    The LAD are trying to repeat and while they do have an in-house option at 3rd, the respective profiles of Arenado and Muncy are very different and those differences could appeal to the LAD. As RHH and with a much higher defensive floor + 1yr younger, you could see LAD maybe wanting to sell high on Muncy. For a team with a 3rd opening and AB’s at DH as well he’d fit on that team much better than in LAD. Without question Muncy’s contract has surplus value.

    The addition of Conforto makes LAD lineup slightly more LH, especially so if LAD are in fact out on Teoscar. That surplus value might assist LAD in their roster construction if LAD have in their back-pocket the knowledge Arenado’s 1st choice destination is LA. It could be LAD are also waiting to see what happens once Bergman and or Teo are off the market.

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  31. CommentsSectionCommenter

    6 months ago

    @sfjack

    Muncy is on an insanely team-friendly deal, and is a perfectly fine defensive 3B and the superior offensive player to Arenado at this point He’s also a part of LA’s clubhouse core–he was the most front-facing Dodger last year with the media, particularly at season’s beginning, when Ippei-Gate threatened to swallow everything whole–and there’s just no way the Dodgers are moving him.

    I get your reasoning, and in a vacuum, his surplus value is quite attractive. But the Dodgers hold all the cards here, and sometimes, that surplus value is best used in a team’s own lineup, particularly with the Dodgers’ roster construction not yet done…..

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    • Sagacity

      5 months ago

      MUNCY SUCKS

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  32. Hmmm 2

    6 months ago

    “don’t hold the same no-trade provisions that Arenado, Sonny Gray, Willson Contreras and Miles Mikolas hold.”

    Why give out so many no trade clauses? None of those are 10 & 5 players. Cards kinda did this to themselves.

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  33. RotiniRick

    6 months ago

    Still believe Arenado to the Phillies with Bohm as a return makes too much sense. I think both players would thrive in their new cities. Arenado has a feisty attitude that plays perfectly in Philadelphia and maybe surrounding himself with others like that elevates his game. Bohm still has talent that could be unlocked by going somewhere without the pressure that is Philadelphia.

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  34. sirthicccheeks

    6 months ago

    If they don’t trade arenado and he’s willing to play first then why not try that since there isn’t a clear cut on whose playing first since goldy isn’t back. Let him focus on at-bats and give the younger guys playing time at third base

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    • jmaa

      6 months ago

      Contreras

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  35. paulk-2

    6 months ago

    Arenado would be the only reason anybody goes to watch Cardinal baseball this year. It’s no secret the Cardinals are trying to tank the season as Mozeliak wants to offload Contreras and Gray as well, but they also said they aren’t waiving the no trade clauses. I’m a huge Cardinal fan but as you can see, this front office isn’t listening to the fan base at all. Completely tone deaf. I really hope opening day isn’t a sellout to make it quite clear that changes need to be made up front more so than offloading all talent on the field.

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      6 months ago

      I feel your pain, but it has always seemed to me that the Cardinals figured as one of the better run mid-market teams, and if tanking was really the plan, the selloff would have started at the last trade deadline, whether or not the team was on the fringe of making the postseason.

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      • paulk-2

        6 months ago

        I’m assuming the DeWitt’s are thinking about selling off the team and this is usually the plan before that happens, lower payroll. That decision could have come after the trade deadline.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          6 months ago

          If that’s the feeling in Cardinals Nation at this point I can’t argue with it. Still, it isn’t easy to get top dollar for a team with an alienated fan base. The expense side of the balance sheet might show better, but the revenue side sure won’t.

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        • paulk-2

          6 months ago

          It’s all about Mozeliak though. He has been the one who has alienated the fanbase since La Russa retired.

          1. How does Mike Matheny wow the front office more than Terry Francona???? He doesn’t but he has zero experience and no pull in the managing ranks. On top of that, being a former Cardinal covers this up because a large chunk of the Cardinal fanbase loves the feel good moment over a win.

          2. When Matheny is let go, Mozeliak brings in Mike Schildt. A farm coach with no MLB experience. Again, Mozeliak keeps full control on the organization.

          3. Mike Schildt proves himself and becomes a fan favorite when he wins 17 games in a row and sneaks into the playoffs. It became apparent he started managing off his gut and did things his way. Mozeliak and Schildt butt heads. I wasn’t there but its apparent Schildt wanted to manage his way and told Mozeliak to just be the GM. Schildt was shown the door and was called a “difference of philosophies.”

          4. Fans are starting to get restless with Mozeliak and want a change but ownership gives him an extension. Grumble grumble.

          5. Mozeliak then brings in Marmol who has been dreadful but again, Mozeliak maintains his control of the organization. Mozeliak then gives Marmol and extension.

          Nobody in St. Louis will blame the players. We have a GM who is out for himself instead of the organization.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          6 months ago

          All due respect, but GMs (and PBOs) are employed by the organization. Anyone in the front office who isn’t speaking and acting for the organization will be quickly shown the door. Fans often conflate their interests as spectators with those of the franchise owners. More often than not, they are not the same. This is similar to the constant complaints we hear about the commissioner, as if he works for the fans instead of his employers, the owners of MLB. I don’t honestly know what is going on in St. Louis right now, but longtime Dodger fans sure know how it feels to have an ownership that takes its fan base for granted. This isn’t a sustainable proposition. It sure wasn’t in Los Angeles.

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  36. MLBTR needs to hire editors

    6 months ago

    “Further details on the matter, unsurprisingly, have continued to leak out today and presumably will in the days and weeks ahead.”

    Stop writing sentences like this. It’s crappy writing. “Unsurprisingly” should start the sentence; if it’s later on, set off by commas, it needlessly interrupts the sentence’s flow by separating subject and verb. Adams does this far too often. Get an editor to fix his poor writing.

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