The past weekend seemed like something of a tipping point for fans of teams other than the Dodgers. The Dodgers were able to land Japanese phenom Roki Sasaki on Friday for a mere $6.5MM bonus, given the restrictions on signing international players under the age of 25. While Sasaki will enter the arbitration system for the final three years of team control from 2028-30, he still comes with incredible surplus value.
Then on Sunday, the Dodgers put an exclamation point on their weekend by signing the best reliever on the market, Tanner Scott, to the fifth-largest free agent contract ever at the position. And yes, there was significant deferred money in Scott’s contract, but that’s a poll topic for another day.
We’ll hear from Sasaki soon enough, but surely the Dodgers’ previous monstrous offseason signings of Shohei Ohtani and Yoshinobu Yamamoto helped lure him to Los Angeles. Since the 2023 season ended, the club has also added Teoscar Hernandez (twice), Blake Snell, Tyler Glasnow, and others, while brokering extensions for Glasnow, Will Smith, and trade pickup Tommy Edman.
It’s not easy to buy an MLB dynasty. Others have tried, but the sport hasn’t seen back-to-back World Series winners since the 1998-2000 Yankees accomplished a three-peat. Now, with a 12-team playoff format, that might be even harder for the Dodgers to pull off.
Most MLB teams don’t open their books to the public, so we don’t know how many clubs would be profitable at the $370MM payroll the Dodgers currently sport. It’s fair to assume small market clubs could not support that type of payroll, even though some of them receive in excess of $150MM between national revenues and revenue sharing each year.
Some might argue that because of the nature of the MLB playoffs, the sport is already in good shape in terms of parity. But because the Dodgers bring in so much revenue (particularly through their TV deal), they have advantages in acquiring players that many markets simply cannot match. Maybe the Dodgers can’t guarantee a string of championships, but they haven’t won fewer than 98 regular season games since 2018 (extrapolating the pandemic season). Their payroll is obviously part of their success.
The drumbeat from fans, at least on social media, seems to be getting louder for a salary cap. It’s hard to argue: if all 30 teams were capped at spending, say, $200MM on player payroll, the regular season playing field would be leveled significantly. There would be star free agents the Dodgers, Mets, and other big markets simply could not sign. The salary cap would be tied to league revenue, and would rise accordingly. I’m not convinced a salary cap (and floor) is the only way to improve parity, but it’s the most obvious one.
MLB owners have wanted a salary cap for a long time. You may recall that was the reason for the 1994 strike, which cost us the World Series that year. The players did not give in to that demand, though they did allow for the first luxury tax in subsequent years.
The thing about a salary cap is that it would almost certainly increase parity, but as the name states, it would also cap player earnings short of what the free market allows. The expectation is that a salary cap would reduce the total amount of money earned by players, although commissioner Rob Manfred might argue that point. That’s why MLB is not an unbiased source when they talk about how a salary cap is needed for competitive balance.
Baseball has always had the strongest union in sports, almost entirely because of one man: Marvin Miller. Miller essentially created the MLBPA in 1966. He ran it until 1982 and deserves credit for the advent of arbitration and free agency in MLB. He also rallied players to go on strike or endure lockouts to ensure they only made forward progress, and did not accept a salary cap or even a luxury tax.
While the MLBPA has ceded ground since Miller retired, the sport still does not have a salary cap. Baseball was able to avoid work stoppages since the ’94 strike, until owners locked out the players after the 2021 CBA expired in December. Though negotiations often seemed perilous, ultimately a new five-year agreement was reached in March of 2022 and no games were lost. The two sides seemed enough at odds that many observers wondered if we’ll simply now get a lockout every five years.
In the wake of the most recent CBA and given turmoil with television rights, MLB put together an “economic reform committee.” The current CBA expires on December 1st, 2026. It’s not hard to picture owners banding together for their strongest salary cap push since Bud Selig’s in ’94. Assuming the MLBPA has enough solidarity under Tony Clark and Bruce Meyer to match its legacy, it follows that players might not give in, and some or even all of the 2027 season could be cancelled.
That leaves me with two questions for tonight’s poll. (I apologize for my lack of clarity in the initial version of this poll: assume a salary cap comes with a floor).
And then the next question:
Not for a cap, but gotta get rid of the deferred money and share television revenue.
Revenue is already shared, 48%. Then you also have teams that get CBT tax dollars on top of that, The teams that spend are subsidizing low speaking teams & those owners pocket the money.
Yet somehow some teams are making hundreds of millions in local media while other teams make tens of millions.
@Cards
New York population vs Pittsburgh. Nothing can be done about that.
Yes there is something that can be done about that: Pool all television revenue and split the pie evenly.
Socialism?
In reference to the New York population vs Pittsburgh comment…
Sure something could be done. Whittle away the size of the markets in the megacities. Places like NY and LA should be able to support far more teams than they already do. At the very least add one more team to each of their markets.
How many teams did New York once support back in the day? And didn’t Boston used to have multiple teams as well once upon a time?
Oh yeah right, the owners would never vote that into being.
Guess you don’t realize both towns have football teams and that the NFL does real revenue sharing?
Nfl already does it. Are they socialists.
This is a great point.
@Dodgerfan: Why is there no whining about the NFL being socialist?
Gholly, MLB is the only major sport that doesn’t. All the others do.
Dodger – Yes, they can call it a “Success Tax”.
When a team invests time, effort and money building a solid well-run organization, they should be penalized for it because cheaper, dumber organizations deserve what they haven’t earned.
Funny, nobody complained this much 2 years ago when the Mets had a $375M CBT payroll that was $107M more than the Dodgers.
And nobody has complained this much about the Yankees spending, probably because they haven’t won a WS in 16 years.
Here’s an idea: Perhaps if other teams like the Red Sox and Cubs and Jays had a better business model and were willing to spend more money, then maybe THEY could have signed Snell or Scott or Ohtani or Freeman or traded for Glasnow or Mookie (or in Boston’s case, kept Mookie).
It’s not like the Dodgers have been throwing huge money at every great free agent and eating contracts that turned out to be mistakes. They have made good decisions and done an excellent job building their brand and creating an appealing environment for players, and now some of you want to penalize them for that just because they won their first legit WS since 1988? Absurd.
“My team can’t figure out how to screw in a light bulb, so I want to limit another team who can” mentality. It is an asinine mentality.
Nobody here is chained to their team. If your team sucks, get a new team. Life is short, way too short to spend it pulling for the Pirates, Rockies, or any of those other franchises that are totally lost.
south – I would love to have an NL team in Boston again, it would motivate John Henry to compete for local fans instead of mailing it in because they are the only team in all New England.
@cards, ah……yeah…..it’s for the same reason that a Jimmy John’s cost $8.99 in the loop but down the street from me in my hood in SF, a Jimmy John’s cost $12.99. It ain’t rocket science my man
Ra – Does the NFL have better parity with their rules?
Over the past 10 full MLB seasons (not gonna count the joke of 2020) there has been NINE different WS Champions.
Over the past 10 NFL seasons there’s been only 6 different Superbowl champions.
Want to go even further back?
The Dodgers have outspent every team in baseball by $645.6 million in CBT payroll and fines since 2013 not including whatever they add to that total in 2025.
Fever, it’s one thing to make shrewd moves, it’s another anticipating on future revenue streams like the Mets did 20 years ago or allowing an unbalanced playing field that allows the Dodgers to sign players for even less than other teams if they could ink them TNi one anticipated so many Asian league players coming like they are now. If those leagues can limit U.S. players for each team, MLB needs to do the same. That would eliminate one team from getting everyone. it won’t stop stop
They also have a cap
What made baseball special Fever has been diluted by the extra wild cards, which to me is not good. I lived with one in 95 but this is not baseball. it makes artificial drama. MLB used to get the best teams most years. Now it’s potluck.
Carlos, they also have a floor and a guaranteed percentage of total revenue going to the players.
Did you just say the Jays have been unwilling to spend? Have you paid any attention to the last couple of offseasons?
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the West Coast from having an advantage geographically, but it’s a start. With the MSG strike, I’m already watching less sports these last three weeks. At this point, if baseball were to go on strike (even now), we would adjust.
The Premier League in England generates more money and more attention than any of the American Sports. I only say that because that League doesn’t have a “salary cap.” The 2024/25 Premier League is more competitive now than it’s ever been.
Imo if there’s to be any financial changes in MLB there needs to be a Salary Floor. This whole business of forcing fans to watch bad teams by selling them on the idea of a rebuild is absolutely disgraceful imo
Usurper – Your last paragraph is quite silly.
Most people are fans of their local teams for a reason.
1) They don’t have to travel far to attend home games.
2) Games are televised by the regional sports network, you don’t have to pay a fortune for out of market games.
3) Local media covers the local team extensively, it’s harder to follow out of market teams.
4) You don’t change your loyalties because your team sucks. My team has sucked for 5 of the past 6 years, I still live and die with them.
5) Radio broadcasts of the local team’s games are free and easily accessible.
6) Merchandising is much harder to find for out of market teams.
ayrrrr – Let’s say for the sake of argument, that MLB instituted a floor of $150million dollars.
How would that solve the payroll disparity between the larger market/deeper pocket teams and the smaller market/less affluent ballclubs?
What happens when the Dodgers raise their payroll to $500 million? Or the Mets $600 million? Do you really think $150 million dollar floor will make the Pirates or Guardians or similarly sized markets more competitive?
All owners are not created equal, even if they’re rich by your and my standards. Our sport however deserves to be played on an equal playing field where fans of small market teams can put a comparable team on the field year in and year out.
Baseball – And all that spending got the Dodgers ZERO legit WS titles until last year.
The spending is not a problem until they actually start doing what the Yankees did from 1996-2000, winning nearly every World Series.
The Premier League distributes its broadcasting monies to its member clubs in the following way: 50% is split equally, 25% is based on the number of television appearances with a stipulated minimum amount (called facility fees) and 25% based on where that club finishes in the league (called merit payment).
They split ticket and other local revenue 50/50 per match with the visiting team.
dewey – Did you have a problem with the Red Sox when they built a Dominican pipeline over 20 years ago?
The Red Sox spent huge money on Manny and Pedro, who in turn brought Ortiz, and the end result was a run of championships.
nesn.com/2024/03/how-influx-of-dominican-superstar…
There is nothing stopping other teams from doing similar.
Imagine if the Marlins put some effort in acquiring Cuban stars, just think how that franchise could have been turned around.
dewey – I totally support you on the watered down expanded playoffs, but unfortunately it’s going to get worse not better.
When MLB expands to 32 teams, they WILL expand the playoff field to 16 teams.
Gary – If you’re referring to me, the Jays were 10th in CBT payroll last year.
For that market, and that team’s financial resources, they should be spending enough to land some of the free agents they are missing out on.
dewey – 1981 and 1994 were two of the worst summers of my life.
I really don’t want to go through that again. Luckily I was too young to experience the Sox missing the postseason in 1972 by a half game because of the labor dispute that year.
ayr – I totally agree, especially on the “rebuild” brainwashing.
It was indeed disgraceful to hear the team with the 3rd-highest revenue in MLB say they have to trade stars like Mookie and won’t be able to compete for 5-6 years because they need to “rebuild”.
Big market teams don’t have to choose between trying to win and restocking a farm system, they can easily do both as long as they are willing to spend.
The NFL manages just fine with teams in small markets. And their payrolls are the same as the Cowboys and Giants.
Without the rest of the teams, there’s no money to be made for the Dodgers and no team for Dodgers fans to watch.
You saying the NFL is socialist?
No thanks. We rather enjoy being Pirate and Rockies fans and find the Dodgers just boring. The Dodgers don’t need to be “fixed,” the system does.
MLB is not a government so no. Open a dictionary.
It’s not so much about championships as it is competitive windows. Big market teams don’t have to rebuild/retool and can pursue a championship every year.
@ayrbhoy Man City won four straight titles
High risk, high reward!
southi: If you’re talking a long time ago, there was once over 400 teams that played in New York. I would love to see more teams in LA and NY. It might even revive the newspaper business.
Usurper: I’m a fan of the White Sox and have been since I was six. However, I’m no longer a supporter of my team meaning I don’t waste my money on tickets anymore. It isn’t easy with the Sox,, but one thing I learned from European soccer is, you never give up on your team. There are 27 other teams that interest me to a certain extent so I follow some of them until my team shows an interest in competing again.
seems to be working for the nfl.
FPG; agree with everything except about legit WS. 2020 should have an asterisk due to the shortened season, however the players were legit, salaries were legit, injuries were legit and so on and so on.
NYC can absolutely support another pro MLB team in Brooklyn.
I love how New York and Los Angeles residents are crying “Socialism!” as they continue to vote for the Blue every election. Hypocrites.
You do realize that the topic at hand has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with MLB’s federal antitrust exemption. right? But go ahead and stand on your soapbox to yell at the clouds.
No, of course it’s not socialism. It’s like those mentioning it don’t even know what socialism is.
Exactly. Split the game revenue into 30 equal shares and reward success instead of failure. No more is required — no cap, no floor. I’ve been saying this forever. Calling an equal split “socialism” is, frankly, idiotic. MLB is one business with 30 owners and like any other business with multiple owners they collectively decide how to divide the revenue pie, so in fact, no matter what they decide, it is pure capitalism.
Sure ownership would love a salary cap. More money for them, less for the players. And this is the only reason they push for it. Parity in play has nothing to do with it. So stop entertaining this fantasy already.
The MLB revenue split system the owners have now is the one they want now. Everybody is profitable, even the smaller market teams. Do you hear them complaining? MLB will only change the revenue split system if this fat and happy system breaks down. That’s the reality. So don’t talk about sacrificing seasons to a cause that benefits only the owners and does nothing for fans.
Just what every other sport does since it’s the only reasonable option
Salary cap and floor . Fix tv mess it all teams play each other.
@Dodgerfan34 No.
Angels tried tapping into the LA market they changed the name…
Damn Cawmnists! Merika!
i was unaware that the NFL ever had local television contracts.
Works for the NFL.
So add another team to a two team city….one that won’t be supported by the already dug in fan base…..and let’s also share a third of the money with them. NO THANKS.
Are we talking football here?? Football is baseball’s little brother. Go cry to Mommy
All the players have caps:)
@giantsphan12 – The number of eyeballs in the media market brings the higher media income. There’s something of a correlation where higher population density tends to bring a higher cost of living. It’s not guaranteed so it’s not causal. Local taxes raise the cost of living more than many people seem to realize. Media market size is by far the greatest factor in media revenue.
It’s not rocket science. Rocket science is much more predictable, reliable, and repeatable.
Look at the A’s. They’re being forced to increase payroll because they just don’t spend. Who’s fault is that? Ownership. Same in Pittsburgh. Paul Skenes, assuming he stays healthy, is gone when he’s a free agent. Pirates fans know that because the team is continually under ownership who will not spend on star FAs, including their own. If the owners want to deal with the issue, they only have to look around their own room. It’s right in front of them.
@Paleobros
Hahaha!!!
NFL?
Not gonna happen when owners are as already pocketing the hundreds of millions they get now from revenue sharing.
MLB is the last players Union that has any strength. That’s why.
Bills v Chiefs in the AFC championship game how many times?
Ugh
It’s very much so
Guys, nfl has national TV contracts. There are no local networks to cause a disparity in team revenue.
Besides, let’s not get crush by the battle between billionaires and millionaires.
Every team owner is a billionaire, and can easily afford to pay players, but they are more comfortable pocketing profit money from their “business”. Ask Bob Nutting if he’d rather sign FAsto pair with Skenes or continue to pocket his $60-80mm???
This upcoming cba is going to be a mess
There’s not enough pitching talent to support the current teams. Expansion would further dilute the pitching talent.
You’d need to do what the NFL does. The media contracts need to be a national thing. No regional networks airing games. Good luck getting Boston to give up NESN or the Yankees to give up YES. The only way to make it fair though is to have a national network or streaming service air the games…Then everyone gets a piece of the pie even though some markets don’t even support their teams at all and don’t deserve that.
It’s a closed loop, Dodgerfan34, each franchise is dependent on the other for its existence (and exempt from anti-trust law, as well).
Walmart, Target, Amazon, and Costco, don’t depend on each other to do business – in fact they’d benefit from the demise of the others.
Tossing the “socialism” label around when you don’t agree with something, is mindless.
1 player in baseball has a much less effect on winning than football where the qb matters the most. NBA 1 star can carry a team(LeBron, Jordan). MLB doesn’t have parity when it’s a top 10 payroll team winning most times.
And it’s also indicative of some major personality issues.
Yes, and the same teams are always good! There are 5 or 6 teams in the NFL and MLB that are that have never won a championship! The NBA is even worse!
Baseball can’t do what football does because it’s not as popular. KC could play Tampa in the SB and get way bigger ratings than an LA NY WS.
FPG – you’re right on it! Every team is owned by a billionaire, or billion dollar entity. So, this is a question of business acumen, savvy and WILL.
Yes, the Dodgers may have the most, but no one is stopping a very profitable entity like Fenway Sports Group from going beyond $21mm to keep Walker Buehler.
This idea that players can’t age, or Pete Alonso’s fielding metrics stop him somehow from hitting home runs is ridiculous. It’s GMs and analytics departments showing hiw smart they are.
You can’t tell me that Alonso isnt better hitting behind Devers or Guerrero Jr, or Gunnar Henderson than whatever retread journeyman you sign for half the price is……
Tricky with teams like the Yanks & Cubs that own their own networks. It’s one thing to say pool all the national TV $ but another entirely to suddenly make private business non profit..
I found it interesting that 67% of respondents are in favor of socialism/against a free market while only 49% are willing to accept the consequences. That is still much higher than I expected. I think those numbers would change once the lockout began though.
Yep. MLB teams are competitive on the field, but not in business. The Yankees and Dodgers don’t want to drive teams out of business. They are more like a cartel. A cartel wants everyone to be able to conduct business, so why wouldn’t they split it evenly?
That is a much better solution than communism. The owners are currently enjoying a monopoly/crony capitalism/fascist system. The options being offered are either increasing the amount of socialism or cronyism. The best solution is to create a free open market. If a team can’t survive it goes under and another pops up elsewhere. Large markets support more teams. The minors become independent leagues in the free market scenario which could be rough. All players are free agents from day one.
My last post was a response to Southi’s adding teams to large markets comment.
Socialism is what the NFL and NBA have. It’s really hurting their popularity and player salaries.
The better plan would be for all teams strive to put the best product on the field. That would drive up revenue at the park level and fan interest in supporting said team watching on TV which would drive up TV revenue.
The Tampa Rays are a great example of a team that competes in a smaller market through smart investment in their team. They are often at the top of their division even when competing against the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox and Blue Jays.
If they can do it so can other teams except other owners like Nutter in Pittsburgh are greedy and pocket the profits.
What’s your point?
It should not be that way that’s the issue . MLB is broken . smaller revenue teams are just passing the good players to the rich. It’s been like that forever . If they are good arb kicks in and off to the rich . Revolving door. Sucks to be a fan with revenue disparity and owners crying poor . Rich driving price up more .
They only get 10’s of millions , but after the revenue sharing their amount goes up substantially.
I think they will want it to go up a lot more. The Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies and Cubs will not like it nor will they go down without a fight.
And, based on this fact alone you could make a strong argument that the Dodgers have not been run well.
We know they have, though. We see the evidence each year. With all this said, though, I don’t think this is evidence that every team already has a working system in place to develop competitive teams. Instead, the Dodgers can afford to compete each year while many others have to build towards 1 or 2 good years and then start over again.
If league was a level playing field fans would come . If each team has a chance to equally put a good product on the field financially. Look at Friedman what he has done with dodgers money. He could have done same in Tampa if the revenue is there.
“Calling the redistribution of wealth socialism is stupid because I like this idea but hate the word socialism so this can’t be that!”
And most of you credit them with only 1 championship. Then, as someone else pointed out, punish them for figuring it out. They don’t spend on every top free agent. They’ve let 3 300 million dollar shortstops leave in FA. Don’t rewrite history because it’s LAD. Root against them and for your team but don’t ruin baseball because 1 team is trying to repeat instead of “standing pat” and running it back again. AF and the rest of the FO guaranteed Ohtani they’d compete every year and spend the Ohtani contract savings. They told everyone their plan.
Devish- I could respond to your question of “how would a salary floor of $150M help the disparity of the game?” However I didn’t say that we have to have a floor of $150m, you did.
The Salary floor idea is one example of a solution to the bigger problem. My main point there- I believe there needs to be some kind of change in place that prevents owners from- A) Choosing to lose on purpose for multiple years to “Rebuild” and B) Franchise Relocation. Both of those philosophies are abhorrent and disgraceful. The demise of the once proud and storied Oakland A’s Franchise is disgusting and an embarrassment to the Sport. What if multiple owners across MLB did that to their teams? To your team!!
I brought up the example of the Premier League because their League doesn’t limit their spending. There is so much parity in the PL right now Nottingham Forest is in 2nd Place in the Table. If the PL (or MLB) did limit spending it might rid the fan of one of the greatest types of experiences available in Sport. ‘Slaying a giant,’ or the “David v Goliath” type of matches.
Many people are assuming the Dodgers spending is going to ruin Baseball. I’ll ask those people this- how many times has the team that ‘won the offseason’ gone on to win the WS? There is no other Sport like MLB. Spending loads of money on talent has never guaranteed you a WS. Lets wait to see if the LAD win 3 or 4 WS in a row before we declare the Sport has fundamentally changed forever
Dude. Socialism? Communism? The way you’re using those words makes me think you have no clue what they actually mean.
Baseballisthebest- yes and the PL also gives “parachute payments” to relegated teams who drop into the lower leagues. These payments (also from TV revenue) help the relegated teams cope with life in Championship where teams make less money from broadcast rights.
The point of making the example of the PL is that the Chairman of the PL doesn’t place a limit on a team’s spending. The PL is as exciting now than its ever been.
It’s always remarkable in a sad sort of way how many fans don’t seem to understand the first thing about how MLB works as a business. Many seem to believe that because the 30 teams compete with each other on grass and dirt that they are also business competitors. Nothing could be further from the truth.
They are 30 franchises in one business. They no more compete with each other than McDonald’s franchises compete with each other. In fact all of these franchises are set up geographically to NOT compete with each other’s businesses. This is the key factor MLB controls with team locations and why the teams have locks on their local media markets. This control is entirely by design, not some sort of unfortunate accident.
It also blithering idiocy to call the owners of MLB deciding how to slice and dice the game’s revenue “socialism” or “income redistribution.” This is a completely capitalistic exercise in keeping profits flowing to all the owners. This system keeps all the owners of MLB rolling in clover, and is why the system exists and persists. What the fans want doesn’t really enter into it.
With all due respect to Tim, I think this question was not well presented to readers. There is simply no evidence or little logic to suggest that a salary cap would benefit anyone but the owners. If the idea is increasing competitiveness, then this isn’t a way to do it. To do that, they need to share more revenue and reward success.
PS: One of the least talked about and most important reasons why the Dodger have so much money to spend is a perverse result of the bankruptcy. The court waived some of the revenue sharing requirements for media contracts in bankruptcy, so now the team is capturing more of their media deal revenue than they would have under the regular MLB rules. This made me wonder at the time why any franchise would not want to sell their team out of bankruptcy.
Hardly. Never ceases to amaze how few ppl know what that means.
Most likely because it’s not socialism.
@southi
1903 was the first year the Yankees debuted. Babe Ruth joined them in 1920. Pre-Ruth the Yanks only had 5 seasons with a winning record in 17 seasons. Post-Ruth the Yanks reel off 44 of 45 winning seasons up until 1965. They appeared in 29 and winning 20 of them. The Giants and Dodgers both existed 20 years prior to the Yanks 1903 debut. The Giants won a could of WS before the Yanks and a few after. The Dodgers went winless for almost 70 years before winning their first in 1955. The Yanks came into the league as the newbies and quickly established themselves as the best team in the city, with the best players and the largest fan base. BRAND LOYALTY. The Yanks are like McDonald’s. They have a brand. McDonald’s doesn’t care about the hot new franchise drive thru that was built next to them the same way the Yanks didn’t care about the Mets coming to town. Same city yet the Yanks have won many more WS than the Mets, have a much larger fan base and out grossed them by over $250 mil last year. Why repeat a mistake by bringing in an expansion team that has to create a new fanbase in a market already occupied by two well established and funded franchises. There’s a reason why the Giants and Dodgers left. They couldn’t compete in a market they had a20 year headstart on and they were only allowed to leave as a duo because there was a preexisting rivalry that both teams were dependent upon to be successful.
Fever, I know I’m in the minority but outside of Joe C, I have found the Sox radio group unlistenable.
@dunno
As for the notion of TV revenue sharing, it works for the NFL because the game is more of an event. The NFL teams reach play 18 games vs. the MLB, where they play 162 games. In today’s world, there’s an NFL game on Monday, Thursday, and Sunday. There’s seldom competition for same time game except for Sunday games and with the exception of the Thursday Amazon prime game and the Xmas Netflix game, all the games are on regular cable or free TV. You can’t do that with mlb. There are too many teams playing too many games. It’s much easier to market those games and choose the teams and match-up they expect to have the most interest. No one cares about the Pirates playing Reds in August. Even the Yanks vs. Blue Jay’s isn’t going to be of national interest for a lot of people. But I’m NY loyal fans want to watch every inning. It’s likely the same in Toronto. This they should keep the majority of that revenue but share the national TV show revenue on ESPN and regular national game of the week
Fever, one or two is not a pipeline. Ortiz was a lucky find in part due to PEDs. He’s in my Boston HOF but I believe he used and would never have voted for him for Cooperstown. Circumstantial evidence can convict in court…I still believe he just never got caught and used I. 16. Why did Henry change the Sox retirement number rule if it wasn’t because it was feared if he was outed, they wouldn’t have been able to do it? It’s a disgrace that Luis’ 24 and Evans’ 24 are not retired. In retrospect, just to have given those numbers out should not have happened
Well stated, ayrbhoy!
“this isn’t a way to do it”
Generally agree, but it is A way to move toward the competitive balance goal that fans have and owners will say they have. And as I said, it is the most obvious one and one I expect owners to attempt.
I actually do think it’s logical that capping spending on the high end would disperse good players more widely. Do you not think that’d happen?
This is not to say a cap is likely or players should want one.
Dewey – I can’t follow the thread here and don’t remember why I wrote about the radio guys, but I agree with you. The only radio/TV guy I like is Loomer.
I really miss Eck.
I heard JBJ and Hill will be doing Sox games this year.
Dewey – Much respect for questioning Ortiz, I’ve done the same in the past. The year when he broke the team HR record and had those mysterious heart related trips to the hospital … the smashing of the phone … the users he was closely associated with … but so many doing it, I don’t hold it against him.
Didn’t they change the retirement numbers long before Ortiz? It used to be start and finish with the Sox and be in the HOF. Pesky and Fisk didn’t meet those requirements.
Pool all television revenue and split the pie evenly.
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You can’t do that either. People pay billions more for large market teams in anticipation of receiving more revenue. If you share all the revenue, then Pitt’s value goes up by a billion and the RS goes down by a billion.
Exactly. What’s the incentive???
Socialism has worked well in the NFL for over 60 years thanks to the innovative work of Art Modell.
@Joe. The owners can do whatever they want. If parity in play was a goal they could figure out a revenue sharing system that accounts for all disparities including team revenue and market value. They are already shifting market value with the current CBT. The reality that many fans stubbornly refuse to accept is that MLB really isn’t interested in play parity. They are interested only in profitability for all of the owners, and they’ve got it. This is why the system exists as it does today.
@Grey. The incentive for what???
You’re only allowed to insinuate false information about teams and the way they operate?
Exactly…you now get the point….maybe lol
Hi G, I disagree with your premise. Mediocrity in the name of parity is a fallacy. Nobody wants to see the bare minimum…..
The Pirates fell into a pot of gold with Skenes. They haven’t spent any money at all. So, theyll get crowds at home when he pitches, but in August if they’re 15 games out, no one is going. Meanwhile, if they were to sign Alonso, and added someone cheaper like Paul De Jong they’d be on par with the rest of the division.
But they don’t because Nutting is happy just pocketing his handout from MLB.
Instead of a salary cap I’d much rather see a serious salary floor that forced these cheap owner to put a good product on the field.
Competition brings in the fans. And yes, the Dodgers and Yankees will always be who they are, but there’s no reason why the Mariners should be spending….
AND place a cap and floor on all teams. Owners and players need to stop strangling the Golden Goose, cause fans in cities other than Los Angeles and New York are fed up.
Well tell me I’m wrong but when someone wants to buy a MLB team, don’t they have to be approved by a MLB committee??? If they approve a Nutting, aren’t they getting what they want???
And speaking of a handout…..isn’t that exactly what I’m saying??? What’s the effin incentive!!!!!!!!!
Oh please, waving that old bugaboo around is pathetic. USA has many shared services that benefit everyone.
No, corporate capitalism. See J.P.Morgan and the creation of business trusts.
@Grey. Maybe you could try telling us what point you believe you made. Apply some of that grey matter to an answer.
Usurper — But is that the point? I think not. I believe fans in ALL MLB cities want to feel their team has a chance to compete, even if their market is small and they don’t have as deep pockets as the Dodgers, Mets and Yankees.
No one is suggesting that Bob Nuttingor any other small market owner should be able to pocket shared revenue and not attempt to sign and develop the best players, but to do that requires a CAP and a FLOOR.
|No one is suggesting that Bob Nuttingor any other small market owner should be able to pocket shared revenue and not attempt to sign and develop the best players, but to do that requires a CAP and a FLOOR.|
Not really…..just a floor. As they are
interviewing a potential buyer they have to pass “credit” question -are you committed to competing for wins? Oh Hell the real test should be the questions coming from the fan base. And be held accountable if after a certain amount of time goes by of failure, you are forced to sell. Sounds like an election process but to that point wouldn’t there be much more competition….
Yes, everyone here complained when the Mets went to $375M. The only reason they didn’t complain more is because the team was poorly constructed, with an emphasis on old, tired arms and flamed out.
|poorly constructed, with an emphasis on old, tired arms and flamed out|
Lol but it did restock the farm system!!
@Tim. I’m unpersuaded, especially because we are talking only in theory, without real numbers attached. A cap on the biggest spenders, especially one set well below today’s top payrolls, doesn’t require the smaller spenders to increase their payrolls by a dime.
So all you’ve really accomplished with a cap is suppress the payouts to the top free agents — and consequently player salaries in the aggregate. Ownership knows this, which is why they masquerade a cap as a competitive balance solution. Its hidden-in-plain-sight purpose is to reduce their costs. The union understands this too. Now it’s time for the fans to get it.
My feeling is the only sure way to increase competitive balance is on the revenue side and by rewarding on-field success instead of failure. But my point is MLB isn’t really concerned about competitive balance; they are only concerned about profitability. And this is the one and only reason why they push the cap idea.
I agree that MLB’s goal would be suppressing salaries, and parity is how they market it. This has always been the case.
I do think a cap would come with a floor.
I have been talking more to my head writers for other sports, and there are examples of the salary cap seeming to help disperse good players more. I am not saying this is the best way to add parity (however that is even measured), but I still believe it would add some.
I also agree that speculating on the effects of this is really tough without putting numbers on it, though. A 350 mil cap, for example, might have put Tanner Scott on the Cubs instead of the Dodgers. Have we added parity with that?
Only 1 ws to show for it
@Tim. Since you phrase this as a rhetorical question, you probably already know my answer is no, not really. The T. Scott question is a perfect one to consider. Him signing with one large market team over another doesn’t increase competitive balance, at least not in the way I understand the concept. We’re talking about a team that could spend more (and spend it more wisely) than they do. Either way, he isn’t going back to the Marlins.
Speaking of which, if salaries are capped, what’s to prevent the wealthy teams from programming a lot more funding for analytics, training, player development and scouting? This is the problem with only attacking the issue on the spending side. It’s a game of whack-a-mole. Teams with the money to spend and the willingness to spend it are going to find a way. Teams forced to spend more on salaries might well cut back in those other areas.
And speaking of floors, MLB does have one already, of a sort. Aren’t the A’s in the position of foregoing some of their revenue sharing if they don’t spend more on salaries?
BlueSkies, that was on the money. Thank you for some common sense in the midst of all the emotional blarney.
Sports are by default, socialist. Without a level playing field, there is no competition. Without competition, the league fails.
There was no pipeline. That would infer that they were coming from the farm system and they didn’t. The Sox traded for and signed a few great Dominican players. That’s it.
Couldn’t stand Eck. He was a presumptuous “Richard Noggin” that thought he knew more than anyone else and was so standoffish that it was nearly impossible to talk to him even during spring training.
I miss the Don Orsillo. He was fantastic.
A rising tide floats all boats.
If it put Scott on a good, young team that has seemed to be ready to take the next step like the Orioles, Reds, or Mariners, then yes it has gotten us closer to parity.
But those teams couldn’t even think about a $72 million closer because they don’t have the revenue to support that kind of expenditure.
Works for the NFL very well.
Baseball’s bigger problem is a lack of a salary floor.
Im all in favor of a salary cap and a hard cap at that
Reading through the replies about salary cap and its implications and idea of parity I noticed one topic didn’t come up in all those conversation: teams with cap issues
Just this past off season both chargers and dolphins ran into significant cap issues resulting in the trade of Keenan Allen, release of Mike Williams, and the release of Christian Wilkins some pretty big names became what’s known as cap casualties in the nfl. Arik Armstead of the 49ers too. Deebo Samuel may be traded to get Purdy extension done this offseason. McCaffrey could also be traded or cut as well knowing shahanans system is rb friendly. Depends what they do at the QO position. Tee Higgins is a free agent to be cause burrow got paid and Chase needs to be paid. So caps do add talent to be had via trade or FA
So yes. I do believe a hard cap is capable of adding parity to the MLB cause teams in both NFL and NBA have to make decisions about who to keep and who to not keep but when teams run into financial issues some big names get added to the market to reduce cap implications for teams.
Shut it down, Bernie.
Bring SD- Everything you just described is a negative force on player earning potential. Way to keep that money in the owner pockets! This is why monopolies love socialism in the form of fascism. Equity leads to a smaller piece of the piece for everyone
I think any baseball fan who knows what they’re talking about has been complaining about this since the 2010s. It’s just becoming more and more haves and have nots in the MLB.
wish there were an option to vote for a floor but no cap
Suppose my assumption is that that could never happen.
dasit – As others have pointed out, there is a floor ….. 26 X MLB minimum. No team is allowed to have fewer than 26 on their active roster.
But yeah, what’s happening with the Athletics should be a standard rule ….. raise the payroll or you get disqualified from receiving revenue sharing.
And the soft cap does deter spending, just not as much as some people like …. so they can simply raise the penalties for going above the highest threshold. It’s not that complicated, let teams spend as much as they want if they are willing to pay more than 100% tax on salaries. At some point the additional revenue that’s generated will be surpassed by the cost of players and that will dissuade the teams from continuing to spend so much on players.
Again the 30 MLB teams are a partnership, they are not true competitors off the field.
A floor combined with much more aggressive revenue sharing would work fine.
Revenue sharing teams have a floor in a way right? Mlbpa files a grievance and they lose their welfare. It’s the non-revenue sharing teams that can really circle the bowl without consequence. (White Sox we’re looking at you). They are like the dead beat Dad that works cash jobs under the table to avoid paying for their kids. Makes enough to get by without that government check.
So does Tony Clark!
Dodgers receive $540 million in local revenue. Put 48% of that in a pot shared with rest of the league and get 1/30th of total pot back. Still have $280 million of local revenue left after putting 48% in pot.
Pirates, Rays, Marlins, Reds, etc… have $130-$140 million in local revenue. Put 48% of that in a pot shared with rest of the league and get 1/30th of total pot back. Still have $67-70 million of local revenue left after putting in 48%.
Difference is $210 million or more annually. No team is getting close to that in revenue sharing. The highest is $75 million.
The difference in local revenue between the Dodgers and those teams on the bottom is nearly as much as the total revenue of the bottom 5 teams.
I should clarify that is just local TV, ticket, and verified in stadium sales for the Dodgers. We don’t know for sure what their sponsorship and in stadium advertising revenue is so I did not add that.
If I had to guess I would say another $35-40 million total.
baseball – When you remove the incentive for big market teams to generate huge TV revenue by spending on star players, then they stop spending on star players and their TV revenue crashes which means their revenue sharing payments go down significantly too. So then EVERYONE loses.
For 81 games a year the Dodgers help other teams make a killing by playing away from Dodger Stadium. Isn’t that enough?
Disincentivizing is never the answer, except when the question is how do you make something worse.
Stealing signs, wrong. LOCAL revenue is split, but the top teams have nearly 3 times as much local revenue as the bottom teams so that means that the top 2 teams have more local revenue left after that 48% is put into the amount shared than the bottom teams have in total revenue once everything is shared including national TV, licensing and merchandising, and those revenue sharing checks,.
What needs to be done is forced spending of 100% of shared money. Teams that are subsidized by revenue sharing should be forced to spend everything or be cut off for a period of time.
Agree. But it’s also quality of ownership and management. Take the Rays for example. They field a very competitive team each year yet the community doesn’t really support the team via attendance. They are one of the best run teams from a talent generation and development standpoint and have been for years. They deal effectively with their small market by knowing when to trade ML talent for other close to MLB-ready talent. And their drafts and international signings are always providing a high quality pipeline through their system. Oakland, Pittsburgh, the White Sox (large market team) to name a few, are seriously deficient in talent evaluation and development. No salary cap fixes that. Nor does new ownership of those teams because those ownership groups hang on from a spending perspective until one day they sell for many millions more than they paid. Salary cap attempts will harm the players and the fans the most. The NHL is an example where you have a small number of teams that lead the leagues and a large number clustered around .500!!! Fans of the game grow weary of mediocrity.
I wish MLBTR would stop lying on behalf of MLB owners. See my expanded comment below or Mark Cubans comments when asked about buying the Pirates. This poll is so disingenious and either MLBTR is entirely uninformed or willing to tell half-truths for access. Its really dissapointing every time they speak on revenues.
I’m being accused of being in the tank for owners? That’s a new one.
Why else won’t you be honest about mlb revenues? That logic was an assumption, I’ll give you that.
Maybe spell out what the lie was? Like quote it?
How is he being dishonest? Explain clearly.
The post specifically states that most teams don’t open their books to the public, which makes transparency on team revenue speculative at best and pretty much impossible at worst.
Have you read Mark Cubans comments? Are you unaware most teams profit millions then claim to be poor? Surely not? 200M wouldn’t even be 50% of most teams revenue. Compared to the capped NBA that’s significant. If you know these things then don’t report them I consider it a lie.
You have access to all 30 teams’ books? Can I see?
If you need 100% verified information for all 30 teams then you’re setting a bar we all know is unachievable. Again maybe I can’t prove what Cuban is saying but he has no reason to lie and it aligns with the limited data we do have. I guess all I’m saying is typically you question poor narratives and it’s dissapointing to see you further this one.
Everything Cuban said aligned with what is known from the financial data the 2 publicly traded teams are required to release to the public.
Don’t know what comment of his this is referring to.
However, I do remember when he was looking onto buying the Pirates. After doing a deep dive (with I’m sure help from consultants digging out financial numbers and MLB bylaws) he made the statement that he would only be interested in buying a large market team. He more or less said the only way he could compete otherwise would be to take a financial loss in order to sign the quality players it took to win.
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I hope the Dodgers win the WS again in 2025. And I fully expect that as they suffer injuries and players having poor seasons in 2025, they’ll be right up there taking on larger contracts in return for so-so prospects that they’ll trade.
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One other point that I keep expressing…..
Ownership (sometimes groups) that buys a ML franchise makes a large down payment, and usually finances the rest, so they have debt payments to make. They assume financial liabilities. They are forever negotiating with players agents, unions, municipalities, tax collectors, local, state, and federal agencies. Obviously they have to hire people to help them with this, and those people don’t bill $50 an hour.
Point being that I see no reason why the smallest market team owner doesn’t the right to a profit. Who goes in business to lose money? These are not government agencies that can demand more help from the federal government that forever prints money which all American consumers pay for via inflation. Had I the money to buy a ML team I’d surely put it elsewhere. Unless I saw something I’d like to get involved in that would help my my country better, I’d just as soon put the money in some sort of tax=deferred bonds and enjoy my life without the hassles following me around 24/7/365.
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2025 is going to prove to be a major turning point in American history. We are a country based on law. And law always comes down to “reasonableness” (i.e. Is the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.)
America has gone overboard on too many issues for far too long, and can no longer sustain itself. Pointing fingers at one another and arguing hasn’t worked. We will either come back to being reasonable or some American institutions will crumble (as many already have).
Pro sports are in business for the national fans / consumers. The NFL has top teams this year in Baltimore, Buffalo, Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh, Detroit, and what looks like an ongoing dynasty in Kansas City. The NBA’s division team leaders today are in Cleveland and Oklahoma City.
Unless MLB eliminates their excesses quickly, it’s doomed. Fans around America aren’t stupid. They aren’t going to support their MLB teams being the Harlem Globetrotters. They have other sports that they can follow year-round in which their team doesn’t have to spend 5 years “rebuilding”.
If a small market owner can’t make a profit then maybe there shouldn’t be a team there. For example, does Ohio need two teams if they can’t make a profit? Why should any successful team be bailing them out? If they can’t make it, oh well, shut it down.
Or maybe there needs to be two separate leagues like in soccer where teams can move up or down depending upon their performance.
Explain how a salary cap would induce or compel an owner like Bob Nutting to put a more competitive team on the field, instead of acting as though a cap by definition would lead to a more equitable distribution of players. Until you do, you and other cap advocates are selling a false story. Start with the problem and then offer the solution that addresses the problem.
All Fans are bias…I know to know what the owner and players want. Salary cap $500 mill – floor $200 mill…what gets a salary put in place..
May I suggest writing an article on MLB being a monopoly & in violation of Anti-trust laws? Remedy the real problem instead of distracting & redirecting the uneducated & uninformed.
ghost – Just like the Harlem Globetrotters need the Washington Generals, MLB needs bad teams. The bad teams help expand MLB’s presence, and they make the good players on good teams look a lot better.
Take for instance one of the most celebrated games of last season, Ohtani’s game in Miami.
6-for-6
3 homeruns
2 stolen bases
10 RBI
50th steal of the season
50th homerun of the season
Would that performance have happened against a good team? Absolutely not!
it’s a shame teams like the Pirates and Reds have been so bad for so long, as they were once great baseball cities. Poor management and a declining local economy have a lot to do with it.
Do they deserve revenue sharing? Yes, as long as they are not turning large profits by keeping the payroll down.
They – All four professional sports leagues are a monopoly.
NFL has zero competition.
NBA has zero competition.
NHL used to have competition (WHA) but that didn’t last long.
Fever- Maybe they are referring to the US giving MLB a waiver on being a monopoly? Sure there are plenty of monopolies out there and the government ignores them, but MLB actually has a legal right to their monopoly.
Wade – Good point, thank you!
He tried to buy the cubs in 2009 as well. The owners have to have a unanimous vote to approve it. They did not do that. The reason was his controversial past with the nba.
Wow, conspiracy much? Lying on behalf of owners? :Like when Bob Nutting lies about improving the team or Dick Monfort deludes himself into thinking the Rockies are a .500 team with wild card possibilities?
I don’t know that the players would ever go for no differed money, after all, it’s been around forever. But I do wonder if they could work in something similar to the nhl does with retained salaries. A team can only have x amount of deferred contracts during a given period.
MLBTR can you please have another article that explains deferred money so this doesn’t keep coming up?
We should explain deferred money more, yes. I might prefer to have an economist write that though.
No, it needs to be written with small words.
What’s to explain? Nobody thinks, they just sound off at “deferred money”. If the herd took their idiot-logic one step further, shouldn’t the $68M annual bill due in 9 yrs to Ohtani severely affect the Dodgers spending in 2034, because that $68M would then be crippling payroll. When in reality, that contract is off the books and the Dodgers are onto the next superstar free agent
I read an article at Pivotal180 from Matt Davis on Jan 3rd of 2024 that helped me understand it a little better. I still have a disconnect on why Ohtani’s contract on the books is listed at $70 million a year for 10 years, but the CBT is only $46 million. What is the point of the payroll listing if it doesn’t really count for anything except talking points for Ohtani’s agent?
It will take congress to intervene and force the issue. Players, ownership, or both will prevent this from happening.
League needs a floor and ceiling.
Oh, yeah, Congress. They can’t get anything done and you’re willing to let them fix it. The US Congress is a clusterf@!k. And it only gets worse on Jan 20th. Instead of the national anthem there will be prayer readings before games.
VermonsterSD, There’s nothing wrong with deferring money. That can work to the benefit of small market teams as well. What they should change is how it’s computed for the CBT. A 10 year, $700M contract ought to carry a $70M AAV hit for the CBT, regardless of when the team actually pays out that money.
That really wouldn’t make sense though. It’d assume time value of money just isn’t a thing
The time value is a thing, but that’s different from money paid against the CBT. I see them as being separate issues.
I thought the purpose of deferring money was to provide a team more operating capital. But it seems it’s being used to reduce the tax hit instead.
What does time deferred value matter in calculating luxury tax? Luxury tax is a made up system by baseball. That system can be calculated however they want. The current system is creating an unfair playing field and is nothing more then a tax dodge for teams playing in high taxed states.
@Jean The cost to fund the deferral is what teams are charged against luxury tax. It in no way minimizes luxury tax hit.
I can think of a few examples where something goofy was done with a contract to create an artificial lower CBT hit, and MLB led it slide. The Padres’ Michael Wacha signing was a great example.
I did not see Ohtani as such and still don’t. Explained it here:
mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/why-shohei-ohtanis-cont…
To “reduce” the CBT hit, a contract would have to use deferred money to create a CBT hit that is way lower than what it would’ve been had the player signed a normal contract.
Blake Snell’s CBT hit is $31.7MM. The $36.4MM figure on his contract is not real. He has $66MM that doesn’t start getting paid out until 2035.
I wrote in a mailbag recently – if he could’ve gotten 36.4 mil per year with no deferrals somewhere – he would’ve done that! It would’ve been like pocketing another 40 mil or something.
@metsin4
Tax Dodgers
Jean and Tim, nice point and counter. This is going to be the best comment section we see for awhile.
@goob Obviously you don’t understand that deferrals how they are funded and count against luxtax are outlined in CBA. Because you lack understanding of something does not make it nefarious
@Jean Its not avoiding the luxury tax in any way. The cost of funding the deferral is what is counted. Deferalls are a way for players to hedge their investments and provide piece of mind and another layer of financial security. They are essentially not putting all their eggs on one basket and on top of that having someone else protect a separate basket for them.
In Ohtani’s case I presume they were bolstering the total # of the contract further building upon his mystique and bolstering his endorsement revenue. If that was the case they did an amazing job as his contract and deferrals are still mentioned regularly. And as they say in marketing there is no such thing as bad press.
@Jean Please explain how time value of $ is not a thing. The Dodgers are paying $44M annually to fund the deferrals, the other $22M is accrued interest by a 3rd party. The true cost to the Dodgers is $46M(44+2). That $46M is what is being counted against the tax, it is pretty simple and no financial trickery going on.
Read my post again. I did not say that time value of dollars wasn’t a thing. In fact, I said it was a thing.
But I see the choice to defer money is between the club and the player in how and when the money is paid, and is a separate issue from the CBT.
If a team announces a deal with a player that’s 10 years, $400M, the hit should be $40M, regardless of the agreement between the player and team in how and when that money is paid. If it’s a $400M deal for 10 years, then it’s a $400M deal for 10 years.
Couldn’t agree more Jean, not counting the AAV against the CBT is the problem.
@beersy Ohtani counts $46M against the cap. The Dodgers pay him $2M per year as well as fund the deferral with $44M annually. They are charged the present day value which is also ultimately what they are paying him.
Jean, that is exactly what should happen.
You’re confused. The Dodgers DO pay out $70m every year now, not 10 years from now. It just goes into escrow instead of Ohtani’s pocket. For lux tax purposes the present value is used, about $46m.
Seamaholic, the Dodgers are paying Ohtani $2 million in salary and putting $44 million in an interest bearing account which is then placed in escrow. They are not paying out anything close to $70 million per year.
@Baseballisthebest
And all the many MILLION$ of compounded money that accumulate over all those years, accrues only to the Dodgers – not to Ohtani, right?
Yes, this is why Teams are ok with deferrals.
Goov, Yes. Ohtani is not being paid interest on the deferred salaries. Only the Dodgers are benefiting. Ohtani is in essence being paid $46 million per year due 10 years because the spending power of the $68 million annually in deferred salaries is about $44 million.
Only the Dodgers benefit from the deferral.
No, the accrued interest on the $46M is the money that Ohtani is paid that makes it $70M.
It’s $46M now, $2M to Ohtani, $44M into an escrow account. It pays out the $46M plus the interest, $70M
@Baseballisthebest. This is incorrect. In fact deferrals are treated exactly like loans, and are so called in the CBA. The interest rate on those loans is also defined in the CBA. You could look it up.
If deferrals only benefited the team, no player would take one. They take them because deferrals allow the teams to offer a larger guarantee. And this is because the money the player lends to the team can be invested by the team at a much higher rate of return than the very modest loan interest rate set in the CBA. Why other teams are not being more aggressive with deferrals IDK, but I guess the Dodgers have an edge here because their owners are more confident in their ability to make money with money.
Blue, Ohtani gets no interest on the money deferred. Read the articles about it. There is no benefit to Ohtani to defer salary other than giving the team he plays for more money to pay other players.
Ohtani only took that level of deferred salary because he earns $30 million in endorsements off the field. No other MLB player can afford to defer as much.
Ohtani’s deferred money accounts for 71% of all money deferred by the Dodgers.
That is why no other team is giving as much in deferred salaries. The players won’t take them at anywhere close to that level.
This is completely false. Deferred compensation is explicitly defined in the CBA as a loan to the team and the terms are fully described, including setting how much interest must be paid. This is precisely how they arrive at the contract’s present value. Look this up yourself if you don’t believe it.
A salary floor is what’s needed, and to get rid of the deferred money, no question.
luckyh; a salary floor, YES!
No deferred money? If the player has no problem with it, why should any of us fans have an issue with it.
There’s no problem with deferred money, and the Dodgers aren’t the only team that structured contracts that way. They’re just the only team that people hear about in the media. It’s a good thing for the team AND the players, most of whom are millionaires already. Spreads their earnings out for many years past their retirement. Other MLB teams have deferrals but it’s not publicized.
Getting a salary cap wouldn’t change anything other than putting more money on owners pockets.
Set a hard cap, and limit deferred money to a specific percentage of the contract
Deferred $ does nothing. Ohtani is still costing Dodgers $46M annually. All the deferrals do is allow $ to accrue and players deferring payment due not assume risk until the deferrals are collected.
Here’s my pitch:
1) 100% of media rights money is pooled.
2) 80% of ticket sales profits after all gameday expenses is pooled.
3) Of the revenue pool, the first 84% is split evenly among all teams.
4) The remaining 16% of the pool is split as follows: 1% to each division winner. 0.5% to a WC recipient. 1% to each ALCS/NLCS winner, 0.5% to runner-ups in the ALCS/NLCS. 1% to the WS winner.
Then we set a salary floor equal to, say, 70% of revenue sharing, otherwise you forfeit the unspent share to the other teams the following season.
Owners want to make money? They’ll need to WIN.
Or they can 100% tank and still receive 84% of all receipts.
Dropped – did you miss the part where I said if you’re not spending 70% you FORFEIT the money not spent?
Pretend it’s a $6 billion pot were talking.
A 1% share is 60 million. Your WS winner is going to net $150m as a wild card or $180m as a division winner. Just making the WC is a $30m payday.
Similarly, the 1/30th share of the base pool? Thats $168m at the start. 70% of that, is $117.6m… that’s your player salary floor.
So, the most an owner can lay their hands on before paying managers, staff, scouts, draft bonuses, intl signing bonuses, and all the other non-player payroll expenses that do not relate to gameday stadium operations is 50.4m…
By the time you just pay those business expenses out of that 50.4m??? There’s not much to pocket.
I think you missed the 70% salary floor and that anything you didn’t spend towards that is forfeit and awarded among the other teams.
GASOX, I would be ok with your plan if instead of playoffs you had used games won in the regular season. With the expanded playoffs winning is a crapshoot.
How do you envision a deferred money ban working? Presumably current contracts would be grandfathered in. So a deferred contract ban would basically be MLB saying “the Dodgers are allowed to have deferred contracts, but no one else is.”
You guys need to think this through a bit more.
I don’t envision a deferred money ban working at all. And since deferred money has zero impact on payroll it would be pointless anyways.
Deferred money has a huge impact on the CBT calculations.
I’d just be happy for an International Draft.
The whole Sasaki thing wouldn’t have happened. And the Int players should be at least 18; this whole drafting kids when they’re 16 should stop.
Sasaki was on a professional team, so he and players like him should not be subjected to a draft. They’re not going to play here if they’re forced to play for a team that has no interest in putting a quality team on the field.
@ghostofmookiebetts
Couldn’t they incorporate a posting system into such a draft?
The drafting MLB team would have to compensate the player’s existing team – substantially – if the player chooses to accept the drafting team’s offer.
goob – your idea doesn’t seem like a bad one if drafts were implemented. I just don’t think a draft of players that are already professionals in their country is a good idea.
Rich get richer system is the issues fans are tired of . League is broken teams that are rich in revenue has made it that way !!
The only thing fans should be tired of is their teams that are clearly not making an effort to win.
To not be recognize other leagues free agency rights would be a pretty rough look.
The only reason Roku was not subject to the draft is because David Ortiz and Fernando Tatis Jr threw a fit to the union over the bonuses it would cost Dominican players.
Why get rid of deferred money this should actually benefit mid and small markets but they won’t use it. Grab a talent you couldn’t normally afford kick the payment down the road and hope he plays good enough to make your money back. This is a lotto ticket for mid teams and they won’t use it. I won’t fault the dodgers for doing it.
Not how deferrals work
the payment isn’t being kicked down the road, the current value of the deferral has to be set aside within two years.
Social Security is a deferred payment program
401K’s are deferred payment programs
MLB has had deferred payments in contracts since Free Agency inception in 1976
Deferred payments not only ensure income down the road after playing days have ended, they also maximize contract value for the player.
The players union – all unions for that matter – exist to ensure players are compensated in benefits and monetarily to the highest attainable level. It would be counterproductive for the players to agree to eliminate deferred payments.
For owners, being able to invest present day money and get a return that covers players deferred salaries is good business
Deferred money won’t cause a strike/lockout because it won’t even be a bone of contention. It’s good for players and owners.
There are fans that don’t like deferred money but I can’t remember a CBA negotiation in which fans opinions were entertained.
Spot on Lasanga!
Great points here.
The owners want a cap; the players want deferred money. There will not be a cap, because the players will force the owners to open their books, which will in turn show that a cap would be a restrictive trade policy–and likely cause MLB to lose its antitrust exemption.
Fans who want a cap need to let their teams’ owners know they are tired of their skinflint ways.
Yup, when the Pirates fans start boycotting games they’ll all get the message. It won’t work with Rays/Marlins fans since they have been boycotting baseball , in general, for 20 years.
Deferred money is beneficial to ownership as well. Unless they are trying to sell the franchise.
#Vermonster. LAD has to pay the present value each year of deferred money. LAD doesn’t get to defer payments until future years. You could argue present values are slightly less than future values and therefore reduce current LAD payrolls. Then you’d have to determine if players get more actual dollars because they have to wait for payments or if the deferred deal is done at the request of players. Eliminating deferred payments won’t change the issues of salary cap, team parity, etc.
Can’t we do all the above? Make a cap, stop Rev sharing and cap any deferred money. Also put in a floor while you’re at it. Let’s do a little something for Pittsburg and Tampa while weee at it.
@thebirds Do you understand that deferred $ is already outlined in CBA? It doe not create a competitive advantage and how ot counts again luxury tax has already been addressed.
Technically a floor already exists, there is a minimum that has to be spend to field a team under rules within CBA. That floor is woefully inadequate to field a truly competitive team but it exists.
Creating a much higher floor comes with risk of inflating salaries. There is no perfect answer but the system that’s already in play is a start, I’d say making penalties on both ends much harsher would do much more.
Im not usually for a salary cap but, it would make a minimum salary cap to . So teams like the marlins and the pirates would have to spend up a certain amount of fines I like tat idea of a salary cap
F*** NO
No. I would not trade any season for a salary cap. Move on.
A season the dodgers or Mets would win anyways?
Because the Mets are perennial World Series champions right?
They will be.
Yeah, cause the Mets are such a juggernaut.
The Dodgers and the Yankees just met in the World Series for the first time in 43 years. The year prior it was the Rangers and D’Backs. There’s been more diversity and parity in MLB than any of the major sports.
Introduce a soft salary floor to match the soft salary cap. Change the deferred money structure. A few others changes. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Maybe a progressive salary floor. Houston and Philadelphia would have higher floors than Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Just spit balling…
If you have the parity you describe what changes need to be made?
Royals have won it twice since the Yanks
Giants have won it 3 times since the Yanks
Marlins have at least one Anaheim has at least one. There’s no need to change a system that is not broken and no it’s not broken because of what the Dodgers are doing. Playing chess while 29 play checkers gets my respect.
Introducing a salary floor is just gonna lead to bottom tier players being overpaid. A floor doesn’t make the White Sox pursue Soto. It’s not the solution. It would up the pay of the 23rd man on the roster cause that’s where it would go. “Got a week to hit the floor go grab so and so and pay them”.
The system is broken. The playoffs are complete luck, so that explains why there are so many different champs. However, the system is broken because certain teams are virtually guaranteed a seat in the postseason each and every year.
It is not a case of one team playing chess while the other plays checkers. It is a case of one team buying 10 bingo cards while the other 29 get one each. It’s not a case of one organization outthinking the rest, it is the rich kid having all the best toys.
Royals won once, went twice.
Royals have won twice.
There has been diversity among MOST of the playoff spots, but the Dodgers almost occupy one and the Yankees almost always occupy one. They are not smarter than the rest, they are richer than the rest and are virtually guaranteed one of the twelve spots in the postseason every year. In a TRULY level playing field, every team should make the postseason 4 out of 10 years and every team should miss 6 out of 10 years. But when teams like the Dodgers and Yankees (and now Mets) NEVER have to tear down and rebuild it makes it that much harderfor the team that do have to.
I love this idea. If the current owners cannot (more like will not) meet the new salary minimums, they must sell the team. Miami and Colorado are a disgrace.
Yes but not since the Yanks last won, which is what he said.
Colorado had the 16th highest payroll in the game in 2024 and as of right now have the 19th highest payroll for 2025. They were bad, but they weren’t bad because they were cheap.
I would. I say burn it to the ground and start over
Remind me the last thing to get better after being burned to the ground. I’m blanking.
Trotski- Germany
You’ve never heard of the concept of controlled burns?
Every forest and grassland on the planet burns to the ground when they get out of hand. The ashes provide the nutrients for new better life. Mlb is on the verge of experiencing the same. Probably before 2026.
Nonsense!
Seriously have a beer and breathe ok? You seem like a nice person but MLB isn’t burning down anytime soon.
Hey buddy!!!
@Jeremy Except this is a business not an organic ecosystem. The 2 are not comparable.
braves66: What an amazingly dumb comment.
@lordS99,
Are you a Dodgers or Yankees fan?
The amount of people in this poll that allegedly would is kind of concerning…
You must be a fan of one of the big 12 market teams out there. Fans of mid to small market teams want this as shown by the poll.
I’m fine with the mix being changed for competitive purposes, but a full blown cap with full revenue sharing simply won’t work. This is not the NFL, which is a national game, and it’s not a national sport because of a hard cap. That’s a false equivalency that some fans toss about. The Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees will still have to cover a huge portion of the revenue shared, while the Tampa Bay Rays will be considered equal. There are other tweaks they can make, and likely will. Let’s start with the addition of a corresponding soft salary floor with penalties similar to the luxury tax. Small market teams won’t want it, but they have to pull their share on some level. If they can’t afford it, sell and bring in owners who can.
How about stopping deferred money? Even with a Salary cap players take pay cuts to ring chase. The players in the NBA do that.
Deferred $ is still required to be funded annually as outlined in the CBA. Stopping Deferred $ would do nothing except appease the financially illiterate.
It is amazing how many people actually think the Dodgers don’t have to pay for Ohtani’s services until he’s due to receive it in 10 years, isn’t it? Like, why would Ohtani sign a contract that lets the Dodgers do that? But people are really naive about money.
I think people just want it to be a full cap hit. Who cares how and when they player is being paid but Ohtani should be a 70m cap hit per year.
Deferred $ is tax evasion in the case of Ohtani and the Dodgers!!
“Evasion” implies it’s illegal. Let me tell you about people forming Delaware and Nevada corps.
Why stop deferred money? It is still paid into an escrow account annually. How many times must this be explained? Forget the deferred money and just enjoy the game.
Because of how it is calculated in terms of how it affects the luxury tax threshold.
@Dickie It is counted in present day value. That value is the principal needed to accrue to the value of payment later. Present day value is what the team is ultimately paying. It has no bearing on the luxury tax threshold. Apparently it’s some type of black magic tho to the financially illiterate.
Which is $46 million and not $70, correct? What’s the loophole here if there is one? What about the $2 million some are claiming he is getting or got last season /this upcoming season? I am legitimately financially illiterate when it comes Shohei’s contract so please explain it to those of us in the most basic terms and understandable language.
$46M is paid out, $2M to Shohei, $44M to an escrow account where it accrues interest at a predetermined rate until the day it gets paid out to him. At that time the payout will be $70M.
Dodgers only pay $46 total and there is no additional due from them. Shohei gets the extra for waiting.
There is no extra. The buying power of $68 million when its paid out is the same as the $44 million that the Dodgers pay into the interest bearing account that the place in escrow. Ohtani doesn’t gain anything from this. If he didn’t have $30 million per year in endorsements income coming in he couldn’t do it. No other players have over $7 million in endorsements and only one is over $4 million. No other player could do that.
He will be paid out $68M in 10 years, $70M minus the $2M he’s paid up front.
You have it backwards. Money now is worth more than future money, that’s why there has to be more of it.
Anyone saying yes is delusional. Missing a season would be terrible 1 week in
I dont think that’s the crux of the question really. Essentially Tim is asking if you’d trade a season to level the financial playing field. However in a manner that screws players and protects owners, completely ignoring the root of the issue. The real question is are you comfortable missing a year of baseball to hold owners accountable financially in my opinion. Even if this proposal wouldn’t accomplish that.
Hold owners accountable for what exactly? Trying to make a modest profit on a $2 billion investment?
What comprises “a modest profit?” Year-over-year profits certainly vary, but franchise values have been skyrocketing for decades. That’s where the real money is.
I don’t understand why people bring up franchise value, that makes no difference. If my franchise is worth 4 billion, but I don’t plan on selling it for 30 years then what does it matter how much it’s worth. If I buy a franchise now for 4 billion then how long will it take to recoup that money.
Yikes. What a small simple world you live in with that vision.
@soxfan Rich people leverage their assets. These owners almost certainly borrowing against the value ofbthe franchises generating capital they are investing elsewhere for a larger gain. As well as using it to shuffle funds to and from utilizing tax code to their advantage.
Then buy a team and reap the rewards. there, fixed it for you, gbs42.
Sick burn, Dave.
If I could afford to buy a team, I wouldn’t be concerned with earning “a modest profit” from the team every year. I could live comfortably off my remaining billions.
Also, do people really think teams don’t make a profit most years?
@For the love of the game
Show me where ANY owner including Cohen has spent $2 billion and I’ll show you Jerry Reinsdorf $19 million via LLP, George Stenibrenner $8.8 million, the list is endless & they’re all bought on debt repayments NOT cash money. Great business people, but it is TV & streaming, tickets & concessions that buy the debt, not the owner…
gbs42 – I’m curious to see if the Twins sale price is over or under the valuation now that the Bally media bubble has burst for small market teams. I predict under current valuations.
CardsFan57, I’m also curious if the local TV broadcast situation for so many teams is the long-predicted (as in 100+ years) beginning of the end of baseball or just a temporary adjustment as MLB gets all teams streaming their broadcasts, with revenues continuing to grow.
With the splintering of viewership for everything and the average MLB fan’s age continuing to rise, it’s possible MLB has peaked. We’ll see…
Probable a return of 5-7% though higher if inflation exceeds 2-3%. So a business valued at 2 billion would be expected to generate $100 mil to $140 mil in profits. Pretty gross, but that is the nature of our form of capitalism.
Note that even if the owner paid less for their franchise, most would expect a return on how much the franchise is currently valued at. Granted, it is gross but that is our system.
Profit percentage is based on net revenue, not market cap.
The average S&P 500 company has 4 times the revenue of the average MLB team. Over the last 24 years they averaged 7.25% gross margins and 3.67% net margins.
MLB is a business and they should make a profit. Like the businesses in the S&P 500 how much they make should be reported and available to the people buying their product. Especially since taxpayers fund 41% of their real property costs.
Eventually the ownership group of the teams gets to sell at a huge average annualized profit on the value because you and I paid a large chunk of their start up costs.
Not really. Unless you have nothing else in your life & MLB is your whole personality. If that’s the case the the season being gone would probably be a good thing.
2020 was a lost season. Was rough but we survived and we got nothing out of it. At least this would lead to some good.
Nevrfolow,
I struggle to see what good a salary cap really would lead to. Owners would save money, and players would get less. Would things be more competitive? Maybe, but it’s not like the teams spending $100M now would start spending anywhere close to the cap.
What would you set the hard cap at? The Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees have shown than annual expenditures on baseball operations include CBT taxes in excess of $400 million are still very profitable. So any hard cap would have to be at least $400 million or it would negatively impact player salaries. Are you guys with that kind of cap?
The MLBPA is already complaining about the low level of the CBT and the extreme penalties that were bot trickling down to lower revenue teams. They are saying that the CBT in the next CBA should start at $280 million with lower penalties for going over.
The players are already saying they are underpaid as a whole. We learned in the last CBA negotiations that the players were earning just 37% of the revenue of the sport while in other major sports the players were guaranteed a minimum of 48% and up to 52%.
The MLBPA is saying that while that share has risen 2-3% since 2021, the disparity is too large and much of that is attributable to the CBT. Most teams treat the CBT threshold as a hard cap even though their revenue would allow them to surpass it.
Because of those things and the lack of transparency on finances of baseball, a cap will never happen.
In fact, with only 4 teams surpassing their 2024 payroll while Manfred in his state of MLB talk said that revenue of the sport grew, I can see players holding a hard line on both the CBT and any kind of hard cap.
The players don’t care if it’s 5 or 6 teams spending a large portion more or all of them spending more as long as more is spent on player payroll.
No salary cap came in when the Yankees were lapping the field in terms of payroll, why should it happen cause its the Dodgers doing it?
The dodgers are different the Yankees didnt buy championships they just assembled really good teams through farm and FA and trades
What are you talking about there? George literally signed all kinda of big players. Reggie Jackson, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, etc. yes they assembled a good team with Jeter, Mo, Posada… 2009 they signed CC, Tex and Burnett and won a WS.
I’m guessing this is a joke
Sounds a lot like the Dodgers of the past decade.
The Yankers bought every single one of their championships, starting with buying Ruth, continuing with buying every KC Athletic when the owners needed to pay rent and still buying their talent.
sad tormented: And the Dodgers are assembling really good teams through farm and free agents and trades.
How are the Dodgers any different from the Yankees?
@bluebaron…assembling good teams through farm? They have one homegrown starter (rotation or position) and that’s Will Smith. Their farm has not yielded a thing in years other than inflated rankings for players that suck when they get promoted to the bigs.
ChipperChop: MLB executives rank the Dodgers farm system fifth best and rank them best at drafting.
They traded their prospects in recent years for players like Mookie Betts.
mlb.com/news/front-office-executives-poll-for-farm…
Chip – I’m not a Dodgers fan, but ….. Corey Seager is a Dodgers farm product that seemed to work out well.
And please tell us which of those prospects….any of them…..is top notch for their new teams. Give us the MLB WAR numbers that quantify their top prospects ranking them as the 5th best farm system. How many had 600 AB’s at the MLB level….or 30+ starts. Saves, holds, anything. ANYTHING!!!!!
Grey matter: Their system is ranked 5th based on current prospects. Don’t shoot the messenger.
That may be true but are we to believe this is the only year they’ve been ranked this high??
-Los Angeles Dodgers
2024 preseason rank: 8
2023 midseason rank: 6
2023 preseason rank: 2
2022 midseason rank: 2
2022 they were also 5 (preseason #1)
2020 preseason rank: 3
2020 #2
2019 midseason rank: 3
2019 preseason rank: 7
20whatever the year blah blah blah….dodgers have one of the top. But they spit out very few homegrown top tier players that they claim will pan out. Since you mentioned the Betts trade, who was the #1? Verdugo??? Now on his 3rd team no power, can’t run…. SMH
Wong??? Nice player hardly top notch.
Downs??? 4 yrs in AAA has provided a .216 ave.
Bottom line is they’ve been propping up the dodgers farm for years, kind of akin to seeing Google showing the top searches due to monies “donated”
This is a curious comment. It feels trollish.
tj13: Which comment?
Blue – The Mookie trade is kinda a sore subject with many, considering how sucky Downs & Dugie turned out.
That trade was more about money, specifically unloading Price’s bloated contract.
FPG: I thought Betts was going into his walk year, which limited his trade value.
This has to be the most uniformed comment I’ve ever read on this site.
lol how so? Try explaining yourself.
I don’t want a salary cap. I just want my team (Red Sox) to sit at the big boy’s table where they belong. It makes no sense that a large market team like Boston sits on their hands and fails to use their biggest advantage: money! Maybe a soft salary floor will help with teams not spending, but ultimately how do you force billionaire owners to give out uncomfortable, market-value contracts when their loyal fanbase will keep parking asses in seats at historic parks like Fenway no matter the quality of the product? Maybe I am just jealous there are still big market owners that hunger for world series trophies. Henry has become completely complacent. Possibly the price you pay for having won four world series’since 2004.
Senioreditor: What color is the comment’s uniform?
Of course they did, sad.
Something happen to your memory? People were calling them the evil empire and many less flattering things when the Yankees were buying up all the talent.
And no salary cap was even enacted when the Yankees were doing exactly what the Dodgers are doing.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the Yankees never deferred one dollar of a contract or played games with present day value counted against the luxury tax. Every dollar paid every dollar counted.
I’m not as worried about the deferred money as many people seem to be. It’s an agreement between the player and team. Time cost of money is a real thing. Ohtani would never have been paid $70 million per year without deferring the money as he did. Ohtani loves it for tax purposes. He has no problem living off his current endorsement income.
Yep, that’s where I’m at on deferred money. Perhaps people think the Dodgers are much better equipped to do it and that’s unfair?
How much would the dodgers CBT hit be if was not deffered ? And can they afford more players because of its deferred . To me 700 million should be 70 aav .If only dodgers can afford to differ money and others can’t that’s an advantage . For me it’s cap /floor rich teams don’t care about the CBT penalties . Why does Sasaki pick his destination to play when say a Paul Skenes goes where he is drafted. International amateurs should join mlb dtaft
Tim – Unfortunately some people just can’t grasp the concept of deferrals and NPV.
What made it worse, besides the reporting of “$700M contract”, were the reports of the deferrals helping the Dodgers with cash flow.
Yes it helps the Dodgers for two years, because the escrow payments don’t need to be made until 2 years after they are earned. Doesn’t seem like a huge benefit though.
old – With no deferrals the CBT hit would be the exact same, because it would be a $461M contract …. not a $700M contract.
Think of it this way, if you win the $500M Powerball jackpot it’s payable over 29 years.
If you choose a lump sum payment instead, you get far less than $500M and that’s before taxes.
So getting the full $500M lottery jackpot right away is not an option, just like Ohtani getting $70M annually from 2024-2033 was never an option.
What would the contract actually be for if it wasn’t deferred.
$46MM
It’s the deferral that adds the additional value. Feel free to ignore deferrals, the accountants in MLB have it all figured out and they all agree that it’s ok.
If the Dodgers weren’t deferring then they’d be paying the players the same amount as being set aside/counted against the tax threshold.
Ohtani would be paid 46 million, because that’s what 70 million in 2034 is reckoned to be today.
The Yankers still BOUGHT championships regardless of deferred money, which is not pertinent.
No one buys championships, they aren’t for sale, you still have to play all the games.
Geebs
Sure….play the games….you know, with the players you BOUGHT!!!! LOL
The deferred moneybis all the team is ultimately paying. The accrued interest is paid by a 3rd party. Are teams required to count any financial gains that players make off of their income? That’s essentially the equivalent of counting anything above the present day value.
How many teams can afford deferred money to get free agents ? How many teams can afford 370 million dollar AAV payroll ? It’s about competitive balance . Teams that have rich revenue and rich payrolls win more.Fans get tired of rich teams winning division every year 11/12 years in row or making playoffs 20/25 years . Teams have to trade good players because the better they are the more they cost . Like the rays do it’s a snoozfest being in low budget team
Every single team can afford deferrals. They literally have zero impact on salaries.
Revenue disparity has a huge impact obviously
QUICK HUDDLE: All of us who understand the principle of deferred money, stop explaining over and over and over again how it works. A year after Ohtani was signed by the Dodgers, we are still explaining the concept, probably to the same people.
Would definitely be for a salary cap but I don’t know if both sides would ever come to an agreement on it.
If there’s a cap then there needs to be a floor. You can be mad at the Dodgers all you want but the anger should be directed at teams that dont spend at all like the A’s or Pirates. There shouldnt be teams with $350m payrolls but also shouldnt be $50m payrolls either
The cap is more important but yes a floor is needed too.
Literally the opposite
And that’s why it won’t happen
Teams aren’t gonna spend to 90% of the cap line.
Also you’d need to tie it to revenues which means the number would be higher than the current tax lines
There is a floor – the minimum MLB salary
Need a floor, need to stop the deferrals business, maybe a hard cap at like $350M. Probably should have an IFA draft too.
I don’t like what the Dodgers are doing, but don’t forget the teams helping the Dodgers get Sakaki. WS are not won in January. Anything can happen. Cohen can do it, but apparently, no one wants to come to New York.
Soto must have missed that memo.
Why an IFA draft? To take even more choice and freedom from players to save owners more money?
To keep all of the elite talent from forming a super team and killing it’s product like the NBA.
I don’t know that would actually take money out of the pockets of the players. There’s already a limit on what they can spend each year. It’s not like ifas are getting more money than draft picks for the most part.
The draft would just ensure that all of the best ones aren’t going to the same teams.
At GBS42…. Why are you concerned with what owners make and players make. Players and owners are both making plenty of money. I am the consumer, I want competition. The consumer is always right and if you think not, you and others can keep up your concern with owners making money, or players making money because if nothing changes, it will continue to drive the product into the ground and viewership will continue to diminish.. Hard cap with a minimum floor. Why is that so difficult?
Viewership was up 11% last year.
Sponsorship up 20%
Ticket revenue up 15%
This is a terrible poll. It should also ask for a salary floor. Perhaps some type of punishment for repeated bottom performers as well. It seems like we need to incentives teams to try to compete vs lowering goals. Sure, yeah encourage a low quality product
Floor is implied with a cap.
I know right? Like, no doy.
Ha, as the reader, no it is not
OK. Assume a cap comes with a floor if that helps inform your poll answer.
Tim,
I would never assume anything with owners, especially if it has to do with most of them spending a penny more than they absolutely have to.
The owners already proposed a cap and floor in the last CBA negotiations. I think it’s fair to assume they go together.
Thanks, but I do agree with those who have said this poll would be better if the inclusion of a floor was spelled out. Something for next time.
Owners don’t spend at all. Teams do. Out of their own revenue. Owners and teams are different economic entities and their funds don’t mix.
That’s funny (seamaholic) that you don’t think the money spent affect the owners pockets. Priceless.
Just like every other major american sports league. MLB is the only one that does not have a cap/floor system.
No, Tim, there is no “implied floor” in your poll question. That’s just a bald-faced lie. The laziest writers try to blame readers for their own shortcomings.
You’re right. My assumption was poor and it absolutely may have skewed poll results if a lot of people voted no to a salary cap under the assumption it did not come with a floor.
Next time I poll on this I will be more clear.
“Bald-faced lie,” come on. I wrote:
“The drumbeat from fans, at least on social media, seems to be getting louder for a salary cap. It’s hard to argue: if all 30 teams were capped at spending, say, $200MM on player payroll, the regular season playing field would be leveled significantly. There would be star free agents the Dodgers, Mets, and other big markets simply could not sign. The salary cap would be tied to league revenue, and would rise accordingly. I’m not convinced a salary cap (and floor) is the only way to improve parity, but it’s the most obvious one.”
Could I have done better than writing “(and floor)” in explaining that this cap scenario includes a floor? Absolutely. But you and I disagree on what a bald-faced lie is.
Ra, it’s time for your meds. No need to call Tim a liar or lazy in order to make a point.
Unless you’re being lazy
It’s the comment that you said it was implied that’s a bald faced lie.
I mean, things being implied is subjective. I can tell you I wrote this post under the assumption a cap comes with a floor. And that while that was implied in my mind, it doesn’t mean it was well-communicated.
Yep, but a salary cap will only be owners agains’t owners, players will have little say in the outcome
Fair enough. All the best, Tim.
OK, heroworshipper. LMFAO!
I understand. I’m sorry not trying to be negative but I think more teams need to spend significant amounts of money or take rev share out from the league or some punishment for poor results- providing a way to control the top end of spenders doesn’t work in my eyes.
Not really Tim. Leagues have had caps with no floor in other sports. It didn’t last long, but they have happened. Next time you do a poll like this, spell it out or people will rightly assume you are talking only about a hard cap.
The hard cap is something the MLBPA will never approve until there is full transparency in the finances of all 30 teams and the MLB corporate entity.
Tim, this poll was ill conceived.
Clearly, there are revenue inequities that need to be tackled by the owners and players. A salary cap is no more credible and legitimate a solution than rent and price controls are as a response to housing scarcity.
At the very least, your poll should have tackled the issue of revenue inequities and the refusal of a majority of owners to spend the enormous revenues they are currently putting into their pockets, instead of players salaries. very disappointing.
It doesn’t matter how credible we think a salary cap is, though. There’s a very real chance of owners making a strong (and apparently fan-supported) push for one.
One part of this was to see what percentage of fans want a cap.
The second was to see how many want it enough to torch a full season.
The idea of a floor without a cap seems fanciful to me.
I heard an idea tonight from someone I respect that would improve upon revenue sharing in the way you’re suggesting. If I can put that idea up, I’ll do a poll on it.
Torch it. What the Dodgers have done is disrespectful to very competitive nature of the game and must not be allowed to continue.
Oh, ok (tugging on an imaginary forelock).
Jeremy, how is it disrespectful to the game? They still haven’t exceeded the Mets payroll of 2 years ago and as the Mets and Padres showed, big spending doesn’t guarantee anything. If the Dodgers also got Soto, Burnes and Fried, maybe I’d see some lack of respect. All I see is their front office improving the team.
Why are players (Teo, Snell, Sasaki, Kim) choosing the Dodgers over other teams? In some cases, taking less money to play for them. Why aren’t other teams doing that? Kim and Sasaki weren’t about money. Any team could have afforded them.
The problem with the cap is that the players know that without them, without their sacrifices of time with family down to the effects playing the game puts on their bodies for later on in life…..there is no reason for them to limit their earnings and fatten the pockets of the owners further. Plain and simplified.
What MLB needs most is a truly INDEPENDANT Commissioner that has the best interests of preserving the integrity of the sport. The Commissioner’s salary should be paid by the fan base of all 30 teams & independent of the owner’s control. Judge Andrew Napolitano would be a fine Commissioner independent from partisan politics.
MLB needs to get out of divisive politics & become a promoter of the sport & stop trying to be what it isn’t. It’s NOT the NFL or the NBA.
Nacb: did you read Tim’s note about the floor?
I did but I feel like a floor is artificial as well. There has to be something in place to really punish teams who put poor products on the field. It’s bad for the sport.
It’s also bad to throw on spending caps. If money is all equal you’ll have the NBA and that product is trash.
@nacb55; I like that word “incentive”.
When the MLB decision makers (both on the owners side and players side) finally decide they want to change the competition model of the sport, don’t do it through the owners pocket books.
Let each owner spend as little or as much as they desire on their roster… and without attaching financial penalties to the big spenders or reward to the tightwads.
Instead, if the sport’s power brokers decide competition is lacking parity, reward teams for each game win through a point value system.
Ex.
Teams with payrolls let’s say between 100 mil and 200 mil; 1 win = 1 point
99 to 50 mil = .975 of 1 point
under 49 mil = .95
201 mil to 250 mil = .975
251 and above = .950
They need a salary floor, and shared local tv revenue. Both teams have to show up for a game to be played. Only seems to reason that they share the profits equally. Especially, now that the schedule is balanced.
It’s not rocket science. Both issues are directly related to greedy owners.
I am ok with the Dodgers having more profit than the Marlins. What i am not ok with is them using that money on the field to create a competitive advantage.
Lmfao
I agree with you – the problem is the players do not agree. A salary cap has great potential to limit their earnings.
“Sorry bro, only a few teams can sign you even though the Dodgers and Yankees are printing money.”
Frankly I don’t care about the earnings of billionaire owners or millionaire players. More parity in the game would make it more fun to watch – honestly as it is I’m getting less and less engaged and spending very little money on my fandom.
17 different teams have won a title in the last 30 years, tied with NHL for the most. NBA has the least with 13 teams.
Explain how more parity will make this a better experience for you? I guess your team may not be one of the 17?
The game’s finances has changed radically twice in the past decade. Once in the RSN explosion which the Dodgers lucked into with perfect timing, and again with the RSN collapse of the past two years. 30 years is an irrelevant range.
The only problem with your argument is that both teams have the right to broadcast the exact same content. The difference is how many people are watching each team’s broadcast.
48% of local revenues (broadcast, ticket sales, etc) are already shared equally among the league .
Parity at all costs mlb should move forward
We can’t keep having steve cohen or Steinbrenner go up against the bob nuttings or the John Stanton’s or the John Fischers or the cost cutting seidler bros
Insane so many people are voting “yes” on this. The teams who don’t spend and cry poor, like my White Sox, are a much bigger drag on the game than the teams that are trying. Hard pass on a cap – I’d rather the money generated by baseball goes to baseball players than stays in the hand of the billionaire owners.
You will watching a league with only a handful of teams in a few years, some is wrong with system as is ,yes there are billionaire owners but there are millionaire players as well ,the rookies are the ones starving & millionaires could care less.
If some teams aren’t able to survive, maybe they should invest more to improve their on-field product, and then they’ll generate more revenue.
Come back to planet earth matt. If the teams disappear so does the entire league.
Yes, and that goes doubly for a large market team…. why would anyone want to own the Dodgers if they are just the same as the Pirates?
The White Sox have spent plenty up until recently.
They are one of exactly TWO major league teams to have never issued a $100+ million contract. The other is known big spender franchise that will be playing in Sacramento next year.
You need to force owners who are treating their franchise as only a business to sell.
The Yankees and Dodgers make more profit than anyone else by miles. If we’re mad at teams for too much profit, start with them.
You put a floor on Jerry Reinsdorf, he will use every conceivable trick in the book to fight it along with the other good old boys. The largest contract given by the White Sox was Andrew Benintendi. Hard pass on a cap, these billionaire owners like Jerry will pocket the money.
Thank you!!!! This!!!! All the cap does is consolidate profits for owners. Does nothing to makes the game more competitive
Clearly, penalties for going over the cap aren’t working…..
I know! The Mets just keep spending
How dare the Mets spending and trying to win!?!
I dont understand why we can’t be honest about most owners pocketing 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars each year. 200M is not a solution as it would be robbing the players to keep that status quo. MLBTR is doing it’s reader’s a disservice by not being more transparent about that reality in the interest of appearing unbiased. It’s fat and away the most dishonest thing about my favorite website. This article/poll is disingenious. See Mark Cubans comments about buying the Pirates. Honestly it’s borderline disgusting Tim.
You can set up both a cap and a floor and that will ensure salaries stay high. They do this in the NBA. The same NBA where Cleveland and Oklahoma City have the 2 best teams at the moment.
dejota, I just don’t see where the dishonesty or bias is could be. The poll q’s are just gauging sentiment of fans. You have to assume that coming up with precise and equitable numbers for a floor/cap is a given in big picture poll questions like these were
I assume MLBTR has seen the limited data available for revenues and is choosing to ignore it. Perhaps that’s not an outright lie but it’s incredibly disingenious and dissapointing to me.
Dude, making the Marlins and A’s spend their revenue sharing money is just not the purpose of this poll. I’m not trying to trick people. MLBTR covers all this stuff.
@dejota were those darn kids on your lawn again today?
Works great in literally every other sport. Hell even Euro soccer now has spending limits.
Long been in favor of a cap and a floor.
The Nba has a lot of great stuff to steal from like signing homegrown players to over cap, salary matching on trades, aprons, ect ect
I know most yall hate whenever the NBA is mentioned but if MLB stole half their stuff while adjusting the other half towards what works for MLB baseball would be 10x more interesting outside the lines and here at MLB Trade Rumors
There’s zero logic or fairness to the MLB process currently, a pure snooze fest and big reason why younger generations are turned away from baseball
Exactly
MLB playoffs and titles have been more balanced than the NFL or NBA over the last 25-30 years.