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The Opener: Thielbar, DFA Limbo, Spending

By Nick Deeds | January 1, 2025 at 8:15am CDT

Happy New Year from MLBTR! Here are three things we’ll be keeping an eye on around the baseball world headed into 2025:

1. Thielbar terms to be publicized:

The Cubs wrapped up 2024 with one last signing: left-hander Caleb Thielbar on a one-year deal. Thielbar, 38 later this month, struggled to a 5.32 ERA in 47 1/3 innings of work with the Twins last year but had pitched much better for Minnesota from 2020 to 2023, when he posted a 3.21 ERA (130 ERA+) with a 3.16 FIP in 174 innings of work. The southpaw figures to feature in Chicago’s middle relief mix, joining other left-handed options such as Rob Zastryzny and Luke Little. Notably, the terms of Thielbar’s deal with the Cubs have not yet been reported. Even heading into his age-38 season following a down season, it wouldn’t be a shock if Thielbar garnered significantly more than the major league minimum given his past track record of success. It’s likely that more clarity regarding the specifics of Thielbar’s contract will be made available in the coming days.

2. Players in DFA limbo:

The timer for clubs to make decisions regarding players in DFA limbo was paused over the holidays, but figures to restart now that 2025 has begun. A number of players including Phillies left-hander Tyler Gilbert, Astros infielder Grae Kessinger, and Rangers catcher Sam Huff have been facing uncertain futures that will be resolved in the coming days. Within the next week, all players currently in DFA limbo figure to either be placed on waivers or traded. Clubs will have the opportunity to outright any of their players who clear waivers during this time to the minor leagues, but players who have previously been outrighted or have at least three years of MLB service time can reject that assignment in favor of free agency if they so choose.

3. Will these teams spend in 2025?

As 2024 came to a close, MLBTR’s Anthony Franco took a look yesterday at each club’s spending to this point in the offseason. The Mets, naturally, led the way by a significant margin thanks to the $765MM commitment they made to Juan Soto last month, but the other end of the list is far more interesting. Five clubs have yet to spend a dime in free agency, though that number drops to four if you consider right-hander Michael Wacha re-upping with the Royals in the days leading up to free agency to be a fresh signing rather than an extension. Joining the Royals at the bottom of the spending barrel are the Mariners, Twins, Padres, and Cardinals. Each team finished with an above .500 record last year, but at the very least Minnesota, San Diego, and St. Louis all appear to face stiff payroll limitations this winter. Will these clubs become more active in free agency now that we’ve moved into 2025, with just six weeks until pitchers and catchers report for Spring Training?

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59 Comments

  1. GinaNCRaysFan

    5 months ago

    Well the Padres could sign Profar, they really like him. These four clubs are all in the range of contention, and they might be able to solve some needs with trades instead of signing expensive free agents. If they can’t spend and want to compete, they’ll have to be creative.

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    • avenger65

      5 months ago

      Gina: I don’t think the Cards, and maybe even the Twins, are in the range of contention.

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    • towinagain

      5 months ago

      Really could see the Padres not spending a dime in free agency.

      Kudos to Preller for making things interesting but I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Padres look like this:

      King
      Darvish
      Waldron
      Vasquez
      Minor leaguer acquired in Cease trade

      Cease will be a salary dump meaning nothing of value will be acquired in return.

      Tatis – rf
      Merrill – cf
      Machado – 3b
      Bogaerts – ss
      Cronenworth – 2b
      Sullivan – c
      Ornelas – lf
      Sanabria – 1b
      Wade – dh

      Arraez – a salary dump with no major leaguers in return

      Adam – closer
      Estrada – set up

      Suarez – salary dump with no major leaguer in return

      Bench –

      Lockridge
      Rosario

      No free agent pitcher signings and maybe a fringe bench piece.

      This is how a budget “conscious” team operates.

      I guess we better hope the Padres cat h lightning In a bottle with their minor leaguers.

      Ugh.

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      • JoeBrady

        5 months ago

        towinagain
        I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Padres look like this:
        =======================
        What makes you think SD is tanking? I’ve seen no indication of that.

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        • towinagain

          5 months ago

          Kevin Acee of the Union Tribune has a pretty good feel for the Padres and these are roughly his prognostications.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        5 months ago

        Wade at DH would be very depressing. If Wade was the starting DH all season, and I was a Padres fan, I would take all my clothes off and walk out into the surf and float away.

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  2. Gwynning

    5 months ago

    Happy 2025 to all my fellow seamheads!
    LFGSD

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    • tom brunanskys black sock

      5 months ago

      Merry new year!

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      • ButchieYost619

        5 months ago

        The Dukes should buy the Padres so they can up that payroll.

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        • Gwynning

          5 months ago

          Daisy has my vote for POBO, nobody will deny her offers.

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      • Melchez17

        5 months ago

        Happy Holiday. I’m offended by the term New Year.

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        • Gwynning

          5 months ago

          Happy New Month post-Holiday in 2025 Melchy!

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        • CC Ryder

          5 months ago

          Happy New Year

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    • JoeBrady

      5 months ago

      Dude, Happy New Year’s to you and everyone. God bless America, and God bless baseball.

      This is traditionally the day where 100% of Americans can get together and count down the number of days to pitchers and catchers. And where every player is in the best shape of his life.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        5 months ago

        And each one of us is in the best shape of our lives, correct? (Or at least until the New Years Resolutions are properly carried out and the gym club membership properly exercised !!!)

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    • kgcubs

      5 months ago

      Hauoli makahiki hou! Happy New Year!

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  3. Salzilla

    5 months ago

    Happy new year, Trade Rumorists! I got nothing else, still have to go read yesterday’s spending article. I’m sure the comments were very civil…

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      5 months ago

      Of course they were civil, aren’t they always here at MLBTR ??

      Reply
  4. tom brunanskys black sock

    5 months ago

    Half asleep when I read this and saw it as THIELBAR TEAMS TO BE PUNISHED

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    • CC Ryder

      5 months ago

      Probably will be

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  5. Dash 2

    5 months ago

    Why does it seem that sports writers promote free agency spending? Isn’t there something to be said for fiscally responsible teams who win despite refusing to spend millions on free agents who often don’t pan out once they receive a big contract?

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    • Simm

      5 months ago

      Who are all these teams winning championships without spending in free agency?

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      • stevetampa

        5 months ago

        I think there just may be a correlation between spending and winning.

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        • retire21

          5 months ago

          Haha

          Reply
    • RunDMC

      5 months ago

      MLB champions and their payroll ranking that year (via Sportrac):
      ’24: LAD (#5)
      ’23: TEX (#4)
      ’22: HOU (#8)
      ’21: ATL (#11)
      ’20*: LAD (#1)
      ’19: WSH (#7)
      ’18: BOS (#1)
      ’17: HOU (#17) — bang the can!
      ’16: CHC (#5)
      ’15: KC (#13)
      ’14: SF (#7)
      ’13: BOS (#3)
      ’12: SF (#7)
      ’11: STL (#9)

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      • Simm

        5 months ago

        11 of 14 were top 10 payrolls. One was 11-13 and then trash cans.

        Sure seems like you have to spend to me. Maybe not the most but close to top 5 gives a real chance.

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        • Shoman5

          5 months ago

          Only 6 of the 14 are top 5. Seems like good money management is better. Spend but spend smart. It requires a core of young players to be in the mix.

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        • Blue Baron

          5 months ago

          Shoman5: But only 5 of the 14 are outside of the top 7.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      5 months ago

      Doesn’t being “fiscally responsible” mean owners pocketing more profits rather than investing in the product on the field for their fans?

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      • RunDMC

        5 months ago

        Really depends on how much they’re spending. On-the-field payroll is really on one part of it. That being said, some seem to think that being fiscally irresponsible is the goal when it should be the exception, and you’re seeing it doesn’t work more than it does.

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    • kylegocougs

      5 months ago

      What the f@@k

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      5 months ago

      Found Mike Elias burner account.

      Reply
  6. cplwhite

    5 months ago

    Thielbar didn’t even have to put on a ski mask to steal that money. Hoyer is nothing but a dumpster diver. He would be perfect for a small market team. And if it’s not him but Ricketts then sell the team dude.

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    • avenger65

      5 months ago

      cplwhite: Hoyer definitely seems to have lost it. He trades for Tucker, then signs Thielbar who, by the way, would be the ace of the staff on the White Sox if he’ll play for around $1M.

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      • JoeBrady

        5 months ago

        He trades for Tucker, then signs Thielbar
        ==========================
        Is your objection that Hoyer traded for the expensive Tucker, or that he signed an inexpensive Thielbar?

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  7. prov356

    5 months ago

    When I glanced at the title, I missed a comma and thought a team DFA’d a guy named Limbo Spending.

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    • tom brunanskys black sock

      5 months ago

      Lmao

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    • Kash Considerations

      5 months ago

      Better than me being traded every 10 frikking days!

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      • tom brunanskys black sock

        5 months ago

        @ Kash

        I have your 1990 Donruss rated rookie. Can you kindly autograph it for me?

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        • Kash Considerations

          5 months ago

          Anything for a fan, tom.

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    • Cleon Jones

      5 months ago

      I like that name so much I think I’ll change mine.

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    • sergefunction

      5 months ago

      I still find problematic an actual sports-news name of yore, Kimbo Slice.

      Now you blow up my New Year before it even starts with Limbo Spending.

      No thank you very much.

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  8. stubby66

    5 months ago

    Has anybody heard if Owen White got picked up on DFA’D?

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    • Gwynning

      5 months ago

      No news mews that I’ve heard, but the League typically “pauses” the 7 Day DFA limbic period between Christmas and New Years. The Rangers probably still have some time to work a deal.

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      • Blue Baron

        5 months ago

        Gwynning: Limbic refers to brain structures that regulate emotions and behavior. It has no connection to limbo.

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        • Gwynning

          5 months ago

          Copy that. Trying to type while teeing off isn’t generally recommended. Happy 2025 Blue

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  9. Old York

    5 months ago

    A 38 year old being signed? Is Jamie Moyer still available for the Cubs to sign?

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    • tom brunanskys black sock

      5 months ago

      Mail on Sunday? Whoops!

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    • Cat Mando

      5 months ago

      Phillies could sign him again….he’s probably still better than Walker

      Reply
  10. YankeesBleacherCreature

    5 months ago

    Happy New Year!

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  11. Redsman59

    5 months ago

    Happy New Year to my fellow MLBTRer’s. Looking forward to another great year. Many thanks to Tim and the team.
    Go Reds

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  12. whyhayzee

    5 months ago

    “The Mets, naturally, led the way by a significant margin …”

    Why the word naturally? Isn’t he the first baseman in Lou Costello’s head?

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    • Blue Baron

      5 months ago

      whyhayzee: Who’s on first, naturally.

      Reply
  13. mad1

    5 months ago

    The bottom 8 teams on this list fans should stay home. Not even trying

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    • JoeBrady

      5 months ago

      Joining the Royals at the bottom of the spending barrel are the Mariners, Twins, Padres, and Cardinals. Each team finished with an above .500 record last year,
      ==================
      Why would the fans stay home if they are all over .500?

      Reply
  14. Mikenmn

    5 months ago

    Congrats to the MLBTR team for running a baseball-only site. where I can get away from the noise of the world and enjoy reading about things that give pleasure. Quality focus, quality product.

    4
    Reply
  15. Yankeesforever

    5 months ago

    Just not the Yankees

    Reply
  16. Dunno

    5 months ago

    Mariners have a pitching staff that can win a world series, an offense that can win a little league world series, and an ownership that wants neither if it cuts into their top of the league profits. Stanton: Sell the team ASAP.

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    • BigV

      5 months ago

      Or just manage the money better and quit prospect hugging.

      1
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