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White Sox Discussed Luis Robert With Reds, Giants; Trade Before Spring Training Seen As Unlikely

By Steve Adams | January 30, 2025 at 11:22am CDT

The second White Sox rebuild of the past decade has stripped the roster of nearly all its notable veterans, but center fielder Luis Robert Jr. stands as a holdover from the team’s brief two-year run as a playoff club and a still-prominent trade candidate. Had Robert enjoyed a healthy 2024 campaign he’d likely already be gone, because at his best (e.g. 2023), he’s proven to be a five-tool, MVP-caliber talent. Staying on the field, however, has been problematic.

Robert played only 100 games in 2024 and didn’t seem to be at full strength for much of that time. His .224/.278/.379 slash was the worst production of his career. That’s made it tough for the White Sox to find a middle ground in trade conversations. Selling low on such a talented player when he’s signed through 2027 — $15MM in 2025, plus a pair of $20MM club options for 2026-27 — would be a major missed opportunity if Robert is able to bounce back with a healthy season.

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports this morning that those hurdles impacted trade talks with both the Giants earlier in the offseason and, much more recently, with the Reds. Cincinnati and Chicago were discussing Robert as recently as last week and this past weekend, per Rosenthal, with infield prospect Edwin Arroyo among the names who could potentially go back to the Sox. Beyond the difficulty of agreeing on which prospects would be involved, the two parties didn’t see eye to eye on how much money the White Sox should include to cover some of the $17MM still guaranteed to Robert. (There’s also a $2MM buyout on his 2026 club option.) At this point, the Sox aren’t likely to trade Robert prior to spring training, per the report.

Until recently, it seemed as though the Reds had exhausted the majority — if not the entirety — of their 2025 payroll budget. A late agreement with Main Street Sports/FanDuel Sports Network for their 2025 television broadcasts provided an unexpected bump to president of baseball Nick Krall’s budget for the upcoming season, however. That produced renewed talks with reliever Carlos Estevez — who ultimately agreed to sign with the Royals instead — and likely facilitated the signing of Austin Hays (one year, $5MM) and yesterday’s acquisition of Taylor Rogers, whom the Reds will pay $6MM next year. (The Giants are covering the other $6MM of his 2025 salary.)

That’s $11MM in new payroll added by the Reds (a net $9.5MM over two league-minimum players) since that late TV deal was brokered. Robert alone is guaranteed more than that; even if the White Sox had been willing to kick in $6MM to bring the price down to the same $11MM the Reds wound up spending this past week, that would’ve only addressed one spot on the roster. Cincinnati would still be looking for more bullpen help and presumably doing so with at a much lower rate than the $6MM they’ll end up paying to Rogers.

While Arroyo is just one of the names the two parties discussed, it’s worth noting that like Robert, he’s a volatile player who’s difficult to evaluate at present. The 21-year-old middle infielder was a second-round pick out of Puerto Rico by the Mariners back in 2021 and was one of the key prospects shipped to the Reds in 2022’s Luis Castillo blockbuster. He ranked among the sport’s top-100 prospects in each of the past two offseasons but suffered a torn labrum in his left shoulder last spring. That injury required surgery and wiped out his entire 2024 campaign.

Arroyo recovered in time to play in last year’s Arizona Fall League but in 18 games slashed just .253/.309/.333. That’s not a big enough sample to make a meaningful evaluation, of course, but it’s nonetheless a far cry from the 2022 production that helped catapult him onto the national prospect radar; that season saw Arroyo hit a combined .293/.366/.480 as an 18-year-old primarily facing much older and more experienced competition in A-ball.

A trade involving Robert could yet come together, but the challenges encountered by both the Giants and the Reds in their efforts to pry him from Chicago will persist. The Sox don’t want to take a middling return for a player who could command a genuine prospect haul if healthy. Any potential trade partner will be reluctant to trade its very best talent in exchange for a player who missed two months with a hip injury and was 16% worse than an average hitter in 2024 — even if he popped 38 homers as recently as 2023. The money owed to Robert is a bargain if he’s healthy, but that’s a major if. Plus, many teams have spent the vast majority of their offseason budget by this point on the calendar.

Back in late November, one rival general manager who’d spoken to the Sox about Robert rather plainly laid out the difficulty in working out a trade, telling USA Today’s Bob Nightengale at the time: “You’ve got to hope he finally stays healthy and can be the player everyone envisioned all along, but the White Sox are acting like he’s some big star center fielder and are asking for your top prospects.”

The Sox weren’t in an entirely dissimilar situation with Dylan Cease a year ago at this time. Cease, who had two seasons of club control remaining then, had finished runner-up in 2022 American League Cy Young voting before a pedestrian 2023 campaign in which he posted a 4.58 ERA with a one-mile drop in average fastball velocity and a corresponding dip in strikeout rate. He came back with a vengeance in spring training with stuff that looked dominant enough to generate a second act on his trade market. The Padres wound up acquiring him on March 13.

It’s possible a similar situation could play out with Robert. If he looks healthy and dynamic early in Cactus League play, perhaps there’ll be some renewed interest and diminished trepidation from interested teams wary about the explosive outfielder’s health.

If not in spring training, even a few weeks of strong play early in the 2025 campaign could pique the interest of other teams. That could create a situation similar to the one that saw the Marlins trade Luis Arraez (also to the Padres) early last May. Miami’s catastrophic start to the season effectively eliminated them from playoff contention just weeks into the 2024 season. The ChiSox already know full well they won’t contend in 2025. If Robert gets out to a torrid start and looks like the 2023 version of himself, putting him on the market in late April or early May would reduce the risk of an injury occurring in the months leading up to the trade deadline while also giving a trade partner an extra few months of production.

As MLBTR’s Anthony Franco pointed out last night when discussing the Guardians’ challenges in acquiring a center fielder, there simply haven’t been many — or really, any — impact options on the trade or free agent markets at the position over the past couple years. That applies not only to the Guards but also to the Giants, Reds, Phillies and other clubs that have sought center field upgrades recently. Clubs like the Red Sox, Mariners, Twins, Tigers, Royals, Pirates and Astros have also coveted right-handed bats and/or outfielders. Any could have interest in a revitalized Robert.

For now, the Sox’ focus will be on getting and keeping Robert as healthy as possible. If a strong spring or April showing rekindles his trade market, the past interest from both San Francisco and Cincinnati will be worth bearing in mind as the South Siders field new offers.

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  1. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    4 months ago

    Robert would have fit in well with McClain and CES. Talented injured guy.

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    • Degaz

      4 months ago

      I’m fine with Hayes and Rogers instead and we keep Arroyo and probably another top 10 prospect.

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    • chiefnocahoma1

      4 months ago

      Damn CES and McLain got that label awful fast, no?

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      • Degaz

        4 months ago

        Warranted for McClain…he’s been injured for almost a year and a half now…

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        • dhud

          4 months ago

          McClain got hurt during spring training last year and all reports are he’s 100% and ready to go now

          So…how does that equal 18 months??

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      4 months ago

      McClain knows how to die hard. Yippee kye yeah mfs

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  2. Rsox

    4 months ago

    He’d probably hit 50 bombs playing at the GABP, if he could stay healthy doing so

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    • Bob Sacamano 310

      4 months ago

      Sox home park is hitter friendly as well. Although I guess you can argue with a better offense around him.

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  3. bmann300

    4 months ago

    So, let’s get rid of a talented young guy who could be a star for just about nothing. If this is a rebuild shouldn’t you at least give Robert a chance to be that guy? It is getting real hard to root for this team.

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    • ReyDay

      4 months ago

      Arroyo is not nothing and do you really think the Sox are going to be competitive in the next 2-3 years ?

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      • El Kabong

        4 months ago

        If the White Sox were willing to trade Robert, there would be many suitors. They will make a trade that best fits their needs. That probably means better offers than the Reds’ suggestion in this article.

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        • ReyDay

          4 months ago

          I’m specifically talking about the Reds Arroyo and him saying that is nothing and wanting Robert’s for the rebuild which is foolish. If the options are keeping Robert’s or trading for Arroyo, I’m trading him all day long if I’m Sox.

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        • El Kabong

          4 months ago

          Okay. Trade him for Arroyo instead of fielding other offers. Got it. By the way, the name is spelled “Robert.” No apostrophe.

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        • ReyDay

          4 months ago

          This is clearly going way over your head and it’s an auto correction, not like that matters in this discussion. Hope you feel like a big man for pointing that out. LOL

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        • roob

          4 months ago

          Arroyo is little more than nothing. I guarantee you that when the Sox do trade Robert it will be for much more than that.

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        • ReyDay

          4 months ago

          Arroyo was a top 100 prospect for two years in a row and is only 21 how is that a little more than nothing. Yeah I’m sure when Roberts gets injured and cost 20MM next year yall will surely get better. He has 1 season of 100+ games in his career I mean the chances of him getting injured are higher than him staying healthy.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          Maybe he meant trading for Robert’s satchel and parakeet. The “Red’s” can have Robert’s things.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          Red’s spare crap no thank you

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    • Hannibal8us

      4 months ago

      While I agree that he could be a cornerstone of the rebuild his injury history tells me that it’s probably better to get 3-4 prospects since the Sox are probably 4-5 years away. The Sox just can’t afford to hold onto him and risk him falling off hard like Tim Anderson did after injuries.

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      • Aiden Awe

        4 months ago

        They are at minimum 2-3 years away. Keep in mind they are rich in pitching talent.

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        • Hannibal8us

          4 months ago

          Pitching talent and being able to develop said talent are different things and I have zero faith they have the right people in place to do that. 4-5 years is more likely the window because maybe Reinsdorf will die by then.

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        • Aiden Awe

          4 months ago

          Wsox can develop pitchers, especially LHP.

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        • avenger65

          4 months ago

          Aiden: I think Hannibal’s assessment is far more accurate. You don’t trade away your best players, lose 121 games, then rebuild in 2-3 years with the players Getz has gotten in return, like the great Drew Thorpe, the cornerstone of the Cease trade. Best case scenario in fantasy land, let’s say all of these prospects Getz has collected become viable major league caliber players. 2-3 years is still very optimistic considering the severe problems with this organization. Not every team can rebound like the Orioles have done with the bad decisions Getz has already made.

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        • sacball

          4 months ago

          Pitching talent doesn’t mean anything if you can’t augment it with hitting, just look at Seattle…

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          But the White Sox do develop pitching talent. Once pitching prospects Chris Sale, Dylan Cease, Carlos Rodon, Lucas Giolito and Garrett Crochet say hi. Unlike say the Pirates and Reds, who seem to develop 4th place

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          Yeah but the Orioles just hard tanked for like 70 years

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        • Aiden Awe

          4 months ago

          Giolito doesn’t count since he didn’t spend the majority of his development. Also they are plenty of pitching prospects who started in other orgs but will spend the majority of their development, Cease(as mentioned), Eder(couldn’t stay healthy with Miami), etc.

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      • roob

        4 months ago

        Away from what ? I’m in my estimation as a life long Sox fan they will lose 100 games the next two seasons. That’s because I don’t think JR is going to aid the rebuild by doing the obvioous and starting to add FA veterans after this season.

        I think they hsould be about .500 in 2027. If JR spends money after that then they could become a playoff team. I’m not sure JR is serious about doing that when he will be 90 years old. We will see.

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        • fermier

          4 months ago

          WHAT FA veteran would want to go to a rebuilding team? There isn’t enough money. Rebuilding teams get by with “lottery ticket” players. Has-beens and almost made it guys who will sign for whatever they can get just for the chance to play and maybe get traded to a better team if they perform well enough. Jerry’s money is no good at this point.

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      • mab51357

        4 months ago

        Hannibal8us: I think 3 or 4 prospects for a very talented player who can’t stay on the field is too much for other teams to give up. In reality I guess it would depend on who the 3-4 prospects are.

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        • Hannibal8us

          4 months ago

          You might be right but if I’m the Sox that’s what I’m asking for. 1 blue chip prospect, 1 decent prospect, and 2 lottery tickets seems fair for a super talented kid entering their prime even with his injuries. On a better team with protection around him in the batting order he could be a superstar, I’ve got to imagine a team closer to contention would be willing to take the risk.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          What Buccaneer Hannibal proposes seems fair not the pocket lint the Reds are offering

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      • piratesanddbacksfan

        4 months ago

        If Roberts stays healthy and big IF Pittsburgh is within few games of wild card going into June or July could see us looking into Robert few of our dozen + INF to solve their 2nd base problem + mid level pitcher or 2.

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    • BITA

      4 months ago

      Do you truly not understand what the White Sox are doing?

      They are rebuilding. They are selling assets that are valuable now for assets that are valuable in the future.

      The White Sox took what was a fairly poor fsrm system and now have tons of blue chip prospects because of all their trades. And when they trade Robert they will get even more prospects.

      This is how to rebuild a team.

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      • Aiden Awe

        4 months ago

        Yes I completely understand.

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      • sflor-giant

        4 months ago

        How often do they need to rebuild? It seems except for a couple of years, they are in a continuous rebuild.

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        • Aiden Awe

          4 months ago

          No, this is rebuild 2.0. Prior to 2017, they haven’t done such thing for years.

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        • avenger65

          4 months ago

          Aiden: And what happened to the five year rebuild that began in 2017 and ended up with a return to the PO in 3 years. Then what happened? As you will recall, Jr put a quick end to that success by firing Renteria and putting the Great Demoralizer, TLR, in as manager. He rode Renteria’s coattails into 2021, then the whole thing collapsed. jr has never admitted how badly he screwed it up. I wouldn’t expect anything else from that loser.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          Rebuild 1.0 paid off. But for drunk sleep Tony and a host of injuries to their core, Rick Hahn largely went about it the right way. The Sale, Eaton and Quintana deals all reaped bounties and they drafted well with Rodon and TA. The mistake was sitting on their hands when they needed the extra FA or two to get over the top when they were a 90 win team, and not adding to their FA acquisition of Yaz Grandal. No one remembers if you finish second in the Machado, Harper or Wheeler sweepstakes. Those contender windows close faster than you think. Sound familiar Orioles or Cubs?

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    • JSantoro

      4 months ago

      This rebuild is going to be more like 5 to 7 years from now the way the sox are playing. it. Meaning even if Robert turns into a star they wont be able to pay him. I agree with not trading him at his lowest value but if he has another MVP type season like he did the year before you have to trade him and get something for him

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        4 months ago

        Avenger and Santoro both right. Sox should and prolly will trade Robert I’d he has another MVP type season. And JR compounded matters not only by being stingy about free agent values (sound familiar?) but committing malpractice by overruling his GM, who was prepared to hire AJ Hinch, in favor of his drunk sleepy geriatric buddy

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        • Aiden Awe

          4 months ago

          Have to agree with you here, though Robert should have been dealt last offseason with a mostly hitting prospect package.

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  4. AllAboutBaseball

    4 months ago

    I guess since he isn’t a free agent the Blue Jays are not interested in him

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  5. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    4 months ago

    Rutschman for Robert Jr straight up

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    • El Kabong

      4 months ago

      The White Sox are rebuilding and are deep in catching prospects. Rutschman is an example of the kind of player they don’t need.

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    • dsett75

      4 months ago

      White Sox have a couple catchers on the cusp (Teel & Quero). Rutschman would be a FA before they were ready anyway

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      • dsett75

        4 months ago

        To contend, I mean. Should clarify that I wasn’t talking about Teel and Quero being ready

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      4 months ago

      Credit for out of the box thinking Hefty. Howsa bout Cowser or that shortstop guy who flopped

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      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        4 months ago

        Hahahaha!

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  6. raz427

    4 months ago

    Wrong link to Edwin Arroyo. 34 year old journeyman in the minors, then again with Jerry I wouldn’t be surprised if this is who he was targeting for Robert.

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  7. Blah blah blah

    4 months ago

    Robert value at its lowest right now, not surprising that sox do not want to move him at this time. Should have moved him last year

    reds being involved tells me that they were inquiring to buy the dip.

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    • avenger65

      4 months ago

      Blah: No one went in for him because he was injured yet again. Put Robert on another team where he would have better coaching to teach him how to hit 1b without putting himself on the IL and hopefully we’ll see just how good an all-around player he is.

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      • JSantoro

        4 months ago

        What Robert needs to be taught is he doesnt have to have 6 pack abs and the body of a bodybuilder to play baseball. It may sound dumb but he has to get a little fat on him so that the day to day baseball stuff doesnt tear his muscles.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          Yeah Robert looks chiseled for the wrong sport. He looks like a power forward or a linebacker or an Under Armour mannequin, not a chunky baseball player

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      • Pete'sView

        4 months ago

        avenger65 — I dunno, Robert has had every imaginable injury over his short career. He makes someone like Byron Buxton look healthy.

        Given Robert’s history, the White Sox should be targeting quantity major leaguers —guys who are very likely to stick at the Major League level—NOT a team’s #1-3 top prospects because Robert may never fulfill his promise and the Sox need players at virtually every position. So Getz could get 3-4 guys he could plug in almost immediately.

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        • soxygen

          4 months ago

          I disagree – I would prefer getting one top prospect rather than just a depth trade. We’ve added a lot of depth in the trades over the past year and a half, but given that we’ve only won 102 games in the last 2 seasons you’d think we would have more impact prospects (that, and we have the #10 pick in the draft this year even though we only won 41 games last year).

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        • nrd1138

          4 months ago

          Id prefer they get guys that make it. I do not care if they get one ‘can’t miss’ guy (who often ‘miss’ in this Sox org BTW), or 4 guys with potential. Good orgs have scouts that find the guys who can meet their potential, and orgs that help them meet it. Sadly the White Sox has neither of those and you can blame the guy that now has ‘GM’ on his door.
          Thorpe is another ‘cant miss’ guy who appears as if injuries are going to keep him from contributing to this club (for at least this season)..
          This is why its dumb to do a rebuild they have already started the clocks of some of these guys. So what exactly are the White Sox doing, other than showing more talent to trade later but before their ‘window to win’ re-emerges?

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          You guys all make good points. Otoh, youd like one top tier prospect over depth, unless youre hoodwinked like Getz into putting all your eggs in one basket and ending up with that dude from the Dodgers.
          Otoh, quantity helps when that last throw in becomes the deal, a la Padres adding a little known 17 yr old as the last piece of return for Big Game Shields, what was his name again, Tatis something? Good chat all.

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  8. misterb71

    4 months ago

    While it could be one side is more stubborn than the other in constructing a deal, if both sides are motivated to make it happen why can’t the deal be constructed in a way that sends more compensation back to the White Sox if Robert remains healthy and the Reds pick up his option? There have been countless deals in the past that were contingent on a player staying healthy and on the field — why would this one be that different?

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      4 months ago

      Wouldn’t the White Sox be better off holding onto Roberts, Jr. for a few months to see him improve? Barring a Tim Anderson-like collapse, those cheap club options he has are no-brainers to pick up.

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      • misterb71

        4 months ago

        They could, but if the eye is on stockpiling talent for the future you don’t want to keep waiting for the turnaround in case it doesn’t come. Heaven forbid Robert gets injured in the first month or two of the season while playing for a losing team even with his cheaper options. His market value will completely disappear and nobody will take more than a flier on him. On the other hand, moving him now while he still holds the promise of coming into 2025 healthy allows the Sox to extract at least 2-3 players with higher ceilings and put conditions on the deal that somebody pays more in the event Robert plays something in excess of 100 games or whatever number they’d like to focus on. If I’m the Sox, I move him now even if it means the return has conditional players that arrive later.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          Rather take that risk of injury and complete collapse as you say. Only loss now would be the pocket lint Arroyo. You could always just keep him. He’d still be valuable and affordable in 3-4 years when the next window opens.

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      • redsorbust

        4 months ago

        They are no brainers to pick up IF he stays healthy and IF he returns to all star or near all star form. As far as holding on to him it a big gamble holding on to him and if he gets another significant injury WS risk getting little to nothing for him. Can a rebuilding team take that chance?

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        • roob

          4 months ago

          It’s not a gamble because all reports are that teams are offering very little now. That’s what every report has said that they’re all waiting to see if he’s healthy before offering anything significant. Get it?

          The teams that are engaging the Sox are only trying to lowball the Sox to see if they’re deperate to move the contract. The Sox are risking very little by holidng onto him.

          If he starts out this season anything like 2023 then the offers will be enourmous and blow away what they’ve been offered so far. It’s the only thing that makes sense is to hold onto him now.

          If he can’t stay healthy or play well in 2025 then they will not be missing out on any great offers. They haven’t had any.

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        • Pete'sView

          4 months ago

          How do you know teams are “low-balling” the White Sox? Couldn’t it instead be that Chris Getz has set his sights too high for a player who—under any circumstances—is a gamble?

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        • soxygen

          4 months ago

          Part of the problem with trading him mid season is that if he starts off the year injured, or hits .220 again, then the two $20 million team options aren’t worth much at all.

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        • ThatsIT?

          4 months ago

          Yes, a rebuilding team who can carry a big payroll can definitely take the chance.

          Could the reds probably not due to payroll constraints but the white Sox should be holding onto him until his value improves. It is plummets so be it.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          $20 million still affordable, even in the worst case scenario for a .220 hitter with plus plus defense. Have you seen the price of eggs/OFs?

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          4 months ago

          Rather see Getz be unreasonable and no trade then get fleeced. Starting to regret tossing Hahn aside for this lamb. Hahn at least made good trades and was proactive in negotiating below market contracts. Drunk sleepy Tony wasn’t his call.

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      • depletion

        4 months ago

        Yes, that is correct. If he starts off the year healthy he’ll be a much more valuable trading chip. The Sox aren’t going anywhere quickly, so there isn’t much to lose by waiting a few months.

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  9. cwsOverhaul

    4 months ago

    Been saying Robert’s return quality that makes sense for buyer/seller to pull off a deal is in between his great ’23/bad ’24 season. That’s basically 1 good position player prospect (back half of top 100 like Sal Stewart of Reds or Crawford from Philly as examples) and fill in the blank decent 2nd prospect.
    Arroyo coming off torn labrum despite past hype seems like smokescreen to get to higher floor Stewart.
    Very believable Getz didn’t have JR blessing to eat much or any money to get it over the finish line for whatever 2 prospects he truly wanted.

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    • Tiger22matt

      4 months ago

      Not happening like I’ve told you before. Robert isn’t worth a Reds top 10 prospect.

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      • cwsOverhaul

        4 months ago

        Silly take. The article itself is about its #3 prospect being headliner and the issue being over how much of Robert’s salary in ’25 WSox would kick in. Reds and WSox are both frugal in that regard. No one behind Stewart could have headlined a deal among Cincy prospects.

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        • Tiger22matt

          4 months ago

          Giving up a top 100 prospect would be a grave mistake for a guy who can’t stay healthy. The White Sox getting someone in the 10-15 range is a better deal for the Reds. Especially if the White Sox don’t want to give back money.Stafura is plenty for Robert, if not enjoy watching him get more and more frustrated with losing.

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  10. Acoss1331

    4 months ago

    Best case scenario is for Robert to mash the first half, stay healthy and the White Sox get a better return package, and Robert plays for a competitive team.

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    • Aiden Awe

      4 months ago

      Mainly position player package.

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      • BITA

        4 months ago

        Yeah seems like the White Sox need 2 outfielders for sure. Perhaps a 1b. Definitely no catcher.

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        • Aiden Awe

          4 months ago

          They have Teel and Quero. Though I will agree with outfielders, not first base.

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        • BITA

          4 months ago

          That’s why i said perhaps. You can usually turn someone into a 1b maybe Ramos or Quero.

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        • Aiden Awe

          4 months ago

          True, but the last thing I want the Wsox is another 1B/DH heavy team from 2020-2023.

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    • redsorbust

      4 months ago

      Hey Acoss1331. Best case scenario = hoping/ luck. If he gets hurt WS get little to nothing. Reds with all their moves so far including new manager IMO are now a competitive team.

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  11. Armaments216

    4 months ago

    In addition to not lining up with Chicago on Roberts’ value, there’s somewhat of a position mismatch for the Reds. Their need was a corner OF power bat, not a CF. They already have TJ Friedl in CF. They didn’t really need to pay a higher prospect cost to acquire a CF-capable bat.

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    • Pete'sView

      4 months ago

      Same is true for the Giants. Not only is Jung Hoo Lee the current CF, but they have several other players who can play center [McCray, Ramos, Fitzgerald, even Yaz plus others+] so Steve Adams is a little off on that part of the deal.

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  12. Gadzooks

    4 months ago

    Yes, because the outfield crew in Cincinnati is really outstanding. Five guys who combined for a world-beating (*checks notes*)… 91 OPS+ as a unit last year.

    Fraley can’t hit lefites, Fairchild can’t hit righties, and Hays/Friedl both played less games last year than Luis Robert, who the internet is convinced was born with glass bones and paper skin.

    The Reds have three years with this group before the arbitration bills force the core to be detonated; Edwin Arroyo might be a fantastic ballplayer someday, but Luis Robert, injuries or not, is a fantastic ballplayer NOW.

    I’m not convinced he starts 2025 on the ChiSox; they’ll come to their senses and make a deal, just like with Cease.

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    • Tiger22matt

      4 months ago

      Robert isn’t worth a top 100 prospect

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  13. Old York

    4 months ago

    The White Sox are treating Luis Robert Jr. like a vintage Ferrari at a used car lot—demanding a premium price while ignoring the fact that the engine light has been on for two years. They want top-tier prospects for a guy who spent last season looking like he was playing through quicksand. Meanwhile, the Reds and Giants took one look under the hood and said, “Yeah, we’re good.”

    This is the same White Sox franchise that perfected the art of the half-hearted rebuild. They tore everything down once, botched the job, and now they’re speedrunning the process again like a kid rage-quitting a video game. Their big plan? Wait until April, hope Robert stops breaking like a cheap lawn chair, and then maybe get someone desperate enough to bite.

    At this point, Robert might be their best player by default—because, let’s be real, the rest of the team looks like it was assembled by throwing darts at a list of waiver claims. They’re trying to squeeze blood from a stone, but if history tells us anything, they’ll end up getting fleeced in the end anyway.

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    • DougMeal

      4 months ago

      White Sox would be very foolish not to trade Robert before the season starts. Most of his current trade value resides in his $15MM 2025 salary being well worth his projected 2025 fWAR of 3.0. That value starts eroding the day the season starts. Sure he might play at a high enough level in the first half of 2025 that his 2026 and 2027 $20MM options increase in value from where they are today, but that increase would need to be dramatic (after all even now he is being valued by the market at 3.0 WAR; how much higher could his market value really get by July?) in order for it to more than counterbalance the simultaneous and inevitable decline in his 2025 value by the time July gets here. And of course he could easily be injured or play poorly in the first half of 2025, which would put the options firmly under water and wipe out the remainder of his 2025 value. So now is the time to cash in whatever value Robert currently has, and per Baseball Trade Values Arroyo is a very good match for that value, as would be Bleis from the Red Sox.

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      • Pete'sView

        4 months ago

        I agree with most everything you say, but I think Robert is still worth more than Arroyo on his own.

        I’d love to have Robert on the Giants, but Buster isn’t giving up an Eldridge or a Whisenhunt for him. Rather, as I say above, given Robert’s history, the White Sox should be targeting quantity major leaguer prospects —guys who are very likely to stick at the Major League level not a team’s top guys. Chris Getz can probably wrangle 2-3 players who have a shot of coming up by mid-season if he lowers his sights. Otherwise, he may well find himself and the Sox even worse off than they are now . . . if that’s possible.

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        • DougMeal

          4 months ago

          Hi Pete thanks for the response. Baseball Trade Values has a very compelling analysis of Robert’s current surplus (ie, market) value for trade purposes. Based on that, Eldridge is way too valuable to give for him, but Whisenhunt should be an easy call. No way though is Robert worth three or even two Whisenhunt equivalents. And yes that is my point — Getz should act now because the odds of Robert’s value decreasing between now and July are way higher than the odds of his value increasing. An increase in value could happen, yes, but the best bet is to trade him now and get back something of real (though not spectacular) value like Arroyo or Bleis or Whisenhunt.

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        4 months ago

        If Doug were a meal at McDonalds he would not be a happy meal

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    • soxygen

      4 months ago

      Sure, but tell us how you really feel…

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        4 months ago

        He likes to hear himself talk methinks. Not fun at parties, always mansplaining

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  14. Mikenmn

    4 months ago

    It’s possible they feel too much risk of potential Sellers Remorse to trade Robert for anything other than a maximum package. It’s why he might stay. Other GM’s are probably like the one who was quoted.

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  15. CATS44

    4 months ago

    Difficult to impossible to know what Robert will do this year, so any teams involved in trade talks are going in blind.

    $17 mil could be a steal, or could be money thrown in a furnace. So, how do you come up with a value.

    Over the last three seasons, Robert has played between 98 and 145 games, averaging 115. Over the same three seasons, he has averaged 2.5 fWAR. His wRC+ has averaged about 108.

    If you value WAR at $7 mil, those averages are worth almost exactly what his guarantee is for the remainder of his contract. In contractual terms, there isn’t any excess value. For a team that acquires him, three things can happen, and two of them are bad.

    You can trade assets for an average year, which means you gave away assets for no plus value. Roberts can repeat 2024, or play less than half a season, and the trade bombed. Or Roberts can repeat 2023, play the entire season, and you have a player who will get down ballot MVP votes.

    Then, no matter what happens, you are faced with the exact same question at seasons end…what to do about his first option?

    Given those outcome possibilities, I wouldn’t consider trading one of my very top prospects. Perhaps a package of mid level types.

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  16. msqboxer

    4 months ago

    CWS payroll is projected to be $75MM in 2025 down over $50MM from 2024. The upside to keeping Robert would be he stays healthy and he mimics his 2023 season. You can trade him at the deadline for a much better return, retain him or trade him after the season. If he falters, you treat him like Jimenez at the trade deadline. I always thought the CWS were doing the right thing locking these players up early, but Jimenez, Moncada and potentially Robert have shown its not a good idea.

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  17. sss847

    4 months ago

    robert had a 5 WAR season in 2023, might as well see if he can recapture that and trade him at the deadline instead of trading him now, especially when the crown jewel of the proposed return is a guy with a 750 OPS in hi-A ball.

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  18. tjg25

    4 months ago

    Until Jerry sells or dies this is what Sox fans get. Wash, rinse repeat.

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  19. Salzilla

    4 months ago

    I get that Robert has talent, but he’s only been healthy for ONE season and last year was disastrous for his overall value. White Sox right now are stuck hoping he regains some value, but they are facing the possibility that he doesn’t.

    If he has any semblance of a good first half they HAVE to send him out at the deadline. You cannot hope he turns in a good full season, it’d be too much of a roll of the dice. Either way, they already missed the boat on his highest point of value, too. No one will ever offer what they could have gotten after 2023.

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  20. John Bird

    4 months ago

    The problem for the Giants is everyone wants Eldridge and they’re not trading him for 2 years of Robert healthy or not.

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    • DougMeal

      4 months ago

      Agree that Eldridge is worth way more than Robert. Not even close. But Robert is easily worth Whisenhunt.

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      • soxygen

        4 months ago

        Though the Sox would definitely prefer a position player.

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  21. sfgiantkev1

    4 months ago

    We do not want Luis Robert. Pass.

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  22. NoNeckWilliams

    4 months ago

    Knowing that a strong first half would appeal to WS contenders accompanied by a K extension, Robert should be motivated to produce early in 2025.

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  23. depletion

    4 months ago

    I would cut anyone on the 2024 White Sox an extremely large amount of slack. If I was sitting in the dugout there, I probably would have gotten injured just thinking about how horrible the team was.

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  24. DougMeal

    4 months ago

    Reading all the posts it seems like the Reds fans mostly think Arroyo would be an overpay for Robert whereas the Chisox fans mostly think Arroyo would not be enough. That tells me it is a fair deal.

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  25. Prunella Vulgaris

    4 months ago

    What if Robert were on a different team? Would Sox fans want to trade talented prospects for Robert? I think not.

    So why do fans expect top value in return for him?

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  26. nrd1138

    4 months ago

    I think if Robert goes to a team trying to win, and not just go through motions, or, after it appears a rebuild is over, stab their manager in the back to bring in a fossil to manage the team he will be more motivated to produce.
    I still think Robert goes to an org that can push him to be better, and they will reap rewards for it. As much as I want to see Robert produce in Chicago, he will not do it with this dead-ass org he is with now. Reinsdorf should be ashamed of himself, but we all know ‘the Chairman’ has no shame, he is too busy pinching a nickel in a vise. .

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