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Guardians Designate Triston McKenzie For Assignment

By Steve Adams | April 21, 2025 at 11:59pm CDT

The Guardians announced that right-hander Triston McKenzie has been designated for assignment. They’ve selected the contract of righty Zak Kent from Triple-A Columbus in his place. The DFA marks the culmination of a lengthy period of struggle that dates back to 2023 for McKenzie, who once looked like a potential building block in Cleveland’s rotation.

McKenzie missed significant time in 2023 with a UCL injury that never wound up requiring surgery. He struggled before and after a pair of lengthy IL stints that season and has yet to regain his footing. He’s also out of minor league options, so the Guards couldn’t send him to Triple-A. McKenzie was one of a handful of notable out-of-options players we highlighted as a potential change-of-scenery candidate this spring. Given his pre-injury track record, it seems likely that another club will take a chance on him, presumably via a minor trade but at the very least via waivers.

Back in 2022, a then-24-year-old McKenzie broke out with 191 1/3 innings of 2.96 ERA ball. He punched out 25.6% of his opponents against a terrific 5.9% walk rate. That ostensible breakout came on the heels of a four-year run in which McKenzie ranked among the sport’s top-100 prospects. He didn’t throw hard, sitting 92.5 mph with his four-seamer, but he generated swinging strikes and chases on pitches off the plate at rates well north of the average pitcher. Given the right-hander’s prospect status and Cleveland’s penchant for churning out quality pitchers on a near-annual basis, McKenzie looked like the next in a long line of homegrown rotation arms to call Progressive Field home.

The previously mentioned UCL injury limited McKenzie to only four starts in 2023, however, and he looked like a completely different pitcher in 2024. The lanky 6’5″, 175-pound righty saw his average fastball freefall to 91.1 mph last year. His once-plus command was gone. He walked 14.4% of his opponents in 75 2/3 innings after having dished out free passes at a grisly 17.8% clip during that injury-ruined 2023 season. He allowed an average of 1.18 homers per nine innings during his standout 2022 season but saw that mark skyrocket to 2.26 per nine frames in ’24.

No longer able to entrust McKenzie with a rotation spot, the Guardians looked elsewhere to fill in the starting staff this winter. They acquired righty Luis Ortiz from the Pirates and re-signed Shane Bieber to a two-year deal (with an opt-out) while he mends from last year’s Tommy John surgery.

McKenzie opened the 2025 season in the bullpen. The Guards surely hoped that he could either find his footing as a reliever or pitch his way back into consideration for a starting role. Neither has happened. While McKenzie’s velocity is back up to an average of 93.7 mph on his heater, that’s likely due to him working in short-relief stints as opposed to being asked to face a lineup two to three times per outing. He’s pitched only 5 2/3 innings this season and been clobbered for seven runs. Command is still a glaring issue; he’s served up seven hits (including a homer), walked seven of his 30 opponents (23.3%) and already been charged with three wild pitches. McKenzie has only set down four batters on strikes.

Any team to claim McKenzie or acquire him via trade will at this point be rolling the dice on a reclamation project. McKenzie hasn’t worked more than 1 2/3 innings in a single appearance this season, so he’s also not presently stretched out enough to join someone’s rotation even if they want to take a look at him as a starter. He could be built back up on the fly, but that’s a tough task when already asking a player to switch teams and go through all the inherent, associated changes (learning new coaches and catchers, making tweaks to delivery and pitch selection, etc.).

The Guardians can trade McKenzie or place him on outright waivers at any point in the next five days. Waivers themselves are a 48-hour process, meaning his DFA will be resolved within a week’s time at most. He’s earning $1.95MM this season. An acquiring club would be on the hook for about $1.69MM as of this writing (or a bit less depending on when he’s claimed/traded). He’s controllable for two additional seasons beyond the current campaign.

Turning to Kent, he’s a former Rangers farmhand whom Cleveland acquired in a March 2024 trade that sent international bonus pool space back to Texas. He missed the majority of the 2024 season due to an elbow strain, however. The Guards designated Kent for assignment last summer, released him and quickly re-signed him on a new minor league pact. (Injured players cannot be placed on outright waivers.)

Today’s promotion puts Kent in line for his MLB debut. He’s healthy again and pitching well in Columbus, where he’s tossed 7 2/3 frames of relief and held opponents to a pair of runs. Kent has allowed three hits and fanned 10, though his four walks are higher than he or the team would prefer, and he’s also plunked a batter.

Kent ranked in the Rangers’ top 30 prospects from 2022-24, per Baseball America, and he’ll head to MLB with a solid track record at the top minor league level. Kent carries a lifetime 4.00 ERA in 92 innings across parts of four seasons there, although that number is skewed a bit by last year’s injury-marred season. Kent was rocked for an ERA north of 7.00 in 23 innings there, though it seems fair to suggest his elbow injury contributed to those struggles. He’s posted strong numbers in each of his other partial Triple-A seasons. Subtracting the injury-plagued ’24 campaign, Kent has a 2.88 ERA in 68 2/3 Triple-A frames.

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  1. Blah blah blah

    2 months ago

    The line up for his services will be long, but…

    If you are a pitcher and Cleveland can’t fix you, can anyone else? I would bet against.

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    • SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs

      2 months ago

      Brewers, Rays, and Dodgers are good are reclaiming pitchers wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up with one of them.

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      • Landini

        2 months ago

        If I was struggling with arm trouble the Dodgers are the last team I would sign with.

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        • LordD99

          2 months ago

          Probably add the Rays to that list as they have a high rate of arm injuries.

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        • Rudy Zolteck

          2 months ago

          Speaking of the Rays and injured arms, what ever happened to Oliver Drake? I never saw an official retirement announcement from him. I assume he is, but hope he’s doing well with whatever he’s up to.

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      • SodoMojo90

        2 months ago

        Mariners are good at it too. Maybe he’s just meant to be a reliever and his arm can’t take a starting pitchers work load.

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        • Hawktattoo

          2 months ago

          It’ possible but stats this year are not good, he has only done bullpen this year. Speed has improved but era is not looking good.

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      • thecrown24

        2 months ago

        So are the Mets

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        • fred-3

          2 months ago

          Mets might have a “pitching lab” against the Cardinals and other bottom feeders. That “pitching lab” broke records for the all wrong reasons in the NLCS.

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        • meckert

          2 months ago

          Ignoramus

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        • thecrown24

          2 months ago

          I mean they only lead all of baseball in ERA but keep going. Mets are ahead of the Dodgers in Both hitting and pitching yeah I’d say they are in pretty good shape and they don’t have Manaea back yet. Will it continue all year? Who knows but im pretty confident they will remain in the top of the pack.

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      • ctbronx7

        2 months ago

        Mets have proven themselves expert in unlocking hidden gems.

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      • MacGromit

        2 months ago

        I can’t see him falling down to the Dodgers unless they orchestrate a minor trade to jump the line. Plus, do they have a spot on the active roster? Seems the Rays would be the best bet to work on him.

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      • lowtalker1

        2 months ago

        Brewers are definitely not good at reclaim projects, they are always weak in the pitching department. Teams they don’t well at fixing pitchers. Padres, dodgers, rays and Indians. The mariners have a claim to maximize pitcher’s potential but not hitters

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        • lowtalker1

          2 months ago

          Do well*

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        • gimbo

          2 months ago

          as a cubs fan i can tell you the aren’t always weak on pitching

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        • lowtalker1

          2 months ago

          2-3 pitchers with bandaids

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    • DanielDannyDano

      2 months ago

      Give him a month or two with Pete Walker and let’s see what happens.

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    • 99Captain Judge99

      2 months ago

      Claim him Yankees, this kid can pitch.

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      • Ham Fighter

        2 months ago

        An 11 era means that skinny freak can’t pitch

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        • 99Captain Judge99

          2 months ago

          No risk on a minor league deal though. Matt Blake could make him good again.

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    • Ketch

      2 months ago

      Will it? The Guardians aren’t DFAing him because he’s just too awesome. And that long line you speak of is really filled with pitchers who were never the same after injuries and surgeries.

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    • ThonolansGhost

      2 months ago

      I’d like to see the Tigers give a McKenzie a chance. They worked wonders for Lorenzen and Flaherty.

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    • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

      2 months ago

      Mariners probably could turn him into a lights out high leverage reliever.

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  2. HiredGun23

    2 months ago

    Worth a claim for some depth. Let Niebla try and fix him.

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    • Col_chestbridge

      2 months ago

      He’s out of options and basically unusable at the moment. If anyone claims him he’ll be getting DFA’d again in a month or so.

      What is best for him at this moment is either getting regular work in AAA to regain command, or finally undergoing that TJ surgery he opted against two years ago. He hasn’t been right since he opted not to have it and has publicly questioned his own decision not to get it.

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      • CyBieber

        2 months ago

        He’s throwing it harder and spinning it more than he was before the injury. There’s nothing to fix structurally. No surgeon is going to do an elective TJ.

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        • I give no fox

          2 months ago

          I don’t know if he’s throwing it harder. He lost over a mph on his fastball, currently throwing it at 91 mph. He wasn’t throwing heat pre injury either. I’m not sure how else you would quantify “throwing harder”. I agree with you that no reputable surgeon would perform an unnecessary structural surgery and I’m sure no team that signs him would be onboard without medical evidence that a surgery would improve his situation. So he’s in a tough spot. He can pay to have it done himself, but he will also have to pay top dollar for rehab because he won’t have the benefits of an mlb teams resources and rehab staff

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        • I give no fox

          2 months ago

          Correction, his velo is down as a starter, not a reliever. I didn’t see that distinction in the article

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        • Col_chestbridge

          2 months ago

          I mean he was recommended TJS two years ago and elected not to. I wouldn’t be surprised if that damage is still there.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 months ago

          Americans don’t seem to grasp the sheer, deadly venality of for profit medical care.

          Many, many surgeons will do unnecessary elective surgeries. The only reason it’s difficult to find one here is that TJS is not widely performed, and the surgeons making significant money at it (there aren’t many given there are about 300 TJ surgeries related to MLB performed each year, with an average cost of around $100k and close to $2m in costs during recovery for MLBers) meaning all of them, don’t have a lot of reason to jeopardize that income by doing elective TJS and the bad press that will follow.

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        • ClevelandSpidersFromMars

          2 months ago

          It’s not the for-profit medical care that is the primary deadliness, but the fact that the profits come not from serving their patients but from serving the medical-pharma machine.
          The system makes it next to impossible for doctors to care about their patients more than they care about their overlords.

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  3. drungohazewood

    2 months ago

    Welcome to the Orioles Triston McKenzie.

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  4. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    2 months ago

    He was rough against the Orioles I know that…and the Orioles sign up…they have plenty of projects as it is right now
    Tristan has to go to the Minors and get it together

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    • Gwynning

      2 months ago

      He has to go on the 40 if you trade for him and he has no Options. So really, he’s got to be added to your 26 unless you want to attempt to pass him through Waivers. Wait for him to clear and then you *might* be able to coax him into signing a MiLB deal.

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      • Rsox

        2 months ago

        He’s getting a minor league deal no matter what if he clears waivers and elects free agency. Unless there is a team in desperate need for an arm immediately i doubt he gets claimed

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        • BigBopper

          2 months ago

          He won’t get claimed at 1.7m. He could get traded for another bad contract. There is something about a player having three years but less than five years service time being forced to take the demotion or not getting paid if he decides to leave the organization. He doesn’t have five years. Appears he has more than 3 considering he gets service time while on the DL. He’s not walking away from 1.7m

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  5. HopefulTwinsFan

    2 months ago

    Wow. If he can replicate his results from a few seasons ago, he could be a hot commodity. Kind of a shocking move, even if he’s struggled in the last couple seasons.

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    • waittilnextyear

      2 months ago

      Not shocking at all if you’ve seen him pitch the last two years. Has been nowhere near the pitcher he was in 2023. He doesn’t even have the same enthusiasm he had and confidence is shot. Hope he works out for someone but he really should have had that surgery two years ago.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 months ago

      It’s all about the options—and his lack of one.

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      2 months ago

      He’s been bad for so long. Only losing teams should be interested in him.

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  6. hrush28

    2 months ago

    Got hurt early 2023 and unfortunately hasn’t looked the same since. Really sucks, he’s super likable and was so good in 2022

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  7. SodoMojo90

    2 months ago

    He’ll be claimed by another team quick. I would imagine most teams will be interested in seeing if a change of scenery can help him.

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    • Gwynning

      2 months ago

      It’s the velo change that concerns me. Maybe he *needs* surgery but doesn’t wanna do it? (a la Dinelson Lamet)

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      • differentbears

        2 months ago

        *ahem*

        That’s World Series champion Dinelson Lamet.

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        • Gwynning

          2 months ago

          Happy for him, no doubt! But he certainly wasn’t hitting 100MPH like he used to, not even close.

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        • differentbears

          2 months ago

          I just like saying that. I don’t even know if he’ll get a ring, only had a handful of appearances for the 2024 World Series Champion Los Angeles Dodgers.

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        • Gwynning

          2 months ago

          He got one. So did Taylor Trammell (0 for 6, 3Ks) haha!
          🙂

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        • differentbears

          2 months ago

          Let’s see someone complain about the Dodgers’ spending when it’s paying for rings for EVERYONE.

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        • Chrome 8550

          1 month ago

          McKenzie never hit 100. Was throwing 94 to 95 this year. Front office said last year no arm injury it was all mental with him.

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 months ago

      He looked ro have a good future at one time. Not sure if change of scenery is needed or correcting some kind of physical or mechanical issue.

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    • BigBopper

      2 months ago

      Not getting claimed at 1.7m. Think he’s also a 3 years service time but not five year guy so he has to accept the demotion once he clears or lose the money.

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      • Chrome 8550

        1 month ago

        Um try 1.95 goof.

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  8. djaubain

    2 months ago

    Yankees need to get him into the lab.

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  9. 3Men&ABibee

    2 months ago

    About time. Good riddance.

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  10. Beernbaseballguy

    2 months ago

    Cleveland fans what is the difference you’ve seen him from before the injury till now? Is a velocity issue, location or the stuff itself gone?

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    • Gwynning

      2 months ago

      Velo is down, way down. Peripherals are bad bad, too.

      baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/triston-mcken…

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      • CyBieber

        2 months ago

        93.7 average FB velo this year is the hardest of his career based on the savant link you posted.

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        • Gwynning

          2 months ago

          Hardest “since ’20/’21”
          Easy to gas up as a reliever. Doesn’t mean it’s effective. His inability to miss bats is alarming, and all the “blue” on his page is perturbing as well. We’ll see, but I doubt he’s claimed. He “should” clear Waivers.

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        • CyBieber

          2 months ago

          Right. I didn’t say any of that other stuff. “Velo is down, way down” is factually incorrect.

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        • Gwynning

          2 months ago

          Ok, tomato tomahto Cy. His velo is down from his early career avg… but I see your point in that it has risen over the last couple years (when he’s been hurt “more”)

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      • MacGromit

        2 months ago

        yikes. terrible BaseballSavant page for sure. maybe a new club finds him a 40 man spot and phantom injury? seriously, maybe he’s actually hurt. seems that Cleveland would have put him on the 60 day IL if he were truly hurt but jettisoning him altogether instead of the IL and stashing him on the 40 man seems telling.

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    • kcmark

      2 months ago

      Velocity and command. Does not miss bats anyone and walks more hitters.

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    • JRamHOF

      2 months ago

      Yes

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    • David White

      2 months ago

      he has league-average stuff. his fastball was not good the past two seasons – he has increased velocity this season because he’s been pitching out of the pen. good curveball, below average slider.

      He has totally lost any command.

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      • Gwynning

        2 months ago

        And chucking 80% 4 seamers with a 41st percentile 4 seamer will get you lit up like a Christmas tree. Not sure what the issue is, but seems like a bevy of details to fix.

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        • Beernbaseballguy

          2 months ago

          Oh ok I remember him being great, and then him just dropping off after the injury, but never knew what the dropoff was seems like a bit of everything damn.

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    • waittilnextyear

      2 months ago

      Yes. Yes and yes.

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    • Grady Sizeless

      2 months ago

      He can’t throw the curveball for a strike. Hitters sit on the heater.

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    • norcalguardiansfan

      2 months ago

      He looks as lost as any major league pitcher I’ve seen. His pitches are as likely to end up in the dirt or the to the backstop as they are to hit the strike zone. It reminds me of Steve Blass or Steve Sax – it is like he’s forgotten how to pitch.

      He is reportedly as good guy and a good teammate. I hope someone fixes him.

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    • solaris602

      2 months ago

      My observation is that McKenzie’s biggest problem is psychological. He’s lost his confidence in everything but the fastball which he struggles to locate. In my opinion his best option is to work with a sports psychologist and get his mind right before pitching in any more games at any level. More than anything he needs to reboot his mind.

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    • Chrome 8550

      1 month ago

      Was throwing 94 to 95mph this year. Front office said all mental no arm injury.

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  11. holecamels35

    2 months ago

    He’s making some money, correct, so he may not be claimed after all. Hasn’t shown much in years. Orioles probably would like him but they have Gibson on deck.

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    • seamaholic 2

      2 months ago

      This. If I had a dollar for every guy to get DFA’d and everyone thinks he’ll get claimed or even traded for, for sure, I’d have a lot of dollars. He has to be on an active roster. If he gets claimed it will be by a rebuilding team in a pitcher friendly stadium. Maybe Miami.

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      • This one belongs to the Reds

        2 months ago

        In other words, you expect him to take his talents (or lack thereof) to South Beach.

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  12. NEOhiosports

    2 months ago

    His body is way too small. Too fragile
    Would love to see him put some weight on and get healthy.

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    • ClevelandSpidersFromMars

      2 months ago

      Think Satchel Paige. Would his game have been improved by another 30 pounds?

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  13. Salzilla

    2 months ago

    I think Mckenzie probably needed TJ and didn’t get it. Probably healed wrong and messed up his arm. He was never the same after that injury.

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    • Thesecondjamie

      2 months ago

      Doctors literally recommended it and he denied the recommendation, opting for rest and recovery, a decision he’ll regret the rest of his career/possibly life.

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  14. ksoze

    2 months ago

    Maybe a reunion with Tito is in order

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 months ago

      I could see them stashing him at Louisville and trying to fix him.

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  15. CATS44

    2 months ago

    You have to have seen him the last season until now to believe it. He makes Ricky Vaughn look like a control artist, ala Greg Maddux.

    Harry Doyle would lose his voice calling one of McKenzie’s outings.

    Its really a shame. McKenzie is a great kid, well spoken, well liked, and active in the community.

    Anyway, he cant be fixed on the run and without regular work. I highly doubt that a MLB team is willing to spend nearly $2 mil to release him in a month. This guy doesn’t need his carburetor adjusted. He needs a complete engine rebuild.

    And even if he could be fixed, there still is the spector of TJS hanging over him.

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    • End the insanity

      2 months ago

      Well Spoken, code for sounds like a white guy. Kinda racist eh?

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      • CATS44

        2 months ago

        No. Its code for well spoken. He uses language well, and his answers are well thought out.

        You, sir, are an idiot.

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      • BigBopper

        2 months ago

        Maybe insane to suggest there is racism in the comment. You don’t know the age of the commenter calling Triston a kid. There was no racism detected in the comment by me. However your reply tells me you’re probably younger than Cats or myself. It’s a shame you think someone that calls a younger person a kid is a racist.

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      • Major League Baseball Fan

        2 months ago

        End the insanity. Yes, you should end your insanity.

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      • Manfred Rob's Earth Band

        2 months ago

        Color never entered my mind until you brought up racism. Bravo.

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  16. Thesecondjamie

    2 months ago

    He shoulda had tj when the doctors recommended it a couple years ago. Stats are incomparable since that season.

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  17. Dumpster Divin Theo

    2 months ago

    Tristan Mckenzie, more like Spuds, amirite?

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  18. fathead0507

    2 months ago

    Better than Elder, grab him Atlanta

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  19. Datashark

    2 months ago

    What a dive for this once no doubt top prospect, his style just did not translate to MLB (TJS should have opted for it). That is how tough it is to make it in MLB.

    He will get picked up likely on a minors deal, but he should hope for a team known for fixing them as he was on a team that was that.

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  20. Lou Klimchock

    2 months ago

    The article has the wrong link for Zak Kent. CLE called up a pitcher, not a fielder.

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  21. CKinSTL

    2 months ago

    Bummer. Hopefully he can get things straightened out.

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  22. CO Guardening

    2 months ago

    What a disappointing end to a once promising stint in Cleveland. He missed a ton of time prior to 2020, in fact if I remember correctly, he missed part of 2018 and all of 19.

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  23. Silver Boot Series Enjoyer

    2 months ago

    Welcome to Texas

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  24. sacrifice

    2 months ago

    Kid never seemed to listen to anybody but himself. Drove Tito nuts

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  25. J. Carrillo

    2 months ago

    Dodgers new project

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    • Major League Baseball Fan

      2 months ago

      60 man roster?

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  26. Titus Andromedon

    2 months ago

    Come on Braves, get Dr. Sticks!

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  27. Reynaldo's

    2 months ago

    How are Guards winning with that godawful offense? They traded out Naylor for Carlos Santana’s .300 SLG???

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    • CATS44

      2 months ago

      Cleveland was able to trade Naylor, because they had Manzardo to fill his offensive production. Santana is a notoriously slow starter. Lets see how he is doing at the midpoint.

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  28. jsklfc

    2 months ago

    White Sox should be all over this – plenty of salary head room, just lost a starter to the 60 day DL, no reason not to roll the dice, all upside

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  29. Lou Klimchock

    2 months ago

    It’s still the wrong link for Zak Kent.

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  30. LordD99

    2 months ago

    He didn’t have surgery but that doesn’t mean the UCL isn’t damaged. His decreased command could indicate a change in arm slot to compensate.

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  31. misterb71

    2 months ago

    None of us truly know what’s entered into the decision-making process of rehabilitating McKenzie over the last couple seasons. I have no doubt in my mind that his mechanics have never recovered while his body tried to adapt to both a UCL problem along with the teres major injury he suffered a couple years ago. It would be amazingly rare to suffer injuries like that and not have your mechanics almost ruined while trying to avoid pain and adapt your throwing motion. The team that sorts those mechanics out won’t be doing it at the top level of the game unless he’s on the IL..

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  32. C4Luke

    2 months ago

    PLEASE MOZELIAK PLEASE

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  33. Clevelandian

    2 months ago

    Godspeed Dr. Sticks

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  34. LFGSD619

    2 months ago

    I remember back in September 2020 some Guardians fan was defending them trading Mike Clevinger in-season because according to him Triston McKenzie was already better than Mike Clevinger and Clevinger wasn’t even good enough at that time to make the Guardians’ rotation. Called me an idiot for saying they should have traded McKenzie instead.

    Made similar comments about them not needing Clevinger because of Plesac and Civale as well.

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    • waittilnextyear

      2 months ago

      And now all but Civale are unemployed

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    • norcalguardiansfan

      2 months ago

      The Guardians easily won that trade and in ‘22 the pitchers you mentioned were a pretty good starting rotation along with Shane Bieber. The club is still benefiting from that trade while Clevenger is unemployed.

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      • LFGSD619

        2 months ago

        With the benefit of hindsight there’s no question the Guardians won that trade. They still traded their #2 starter in the middle of a playoff race. Couldn’t be me.

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        • norcalguardiansfan

          2 months ago

          This is a pattern with Guardians trades. Fans freak out when it happens then act like they supported it all along when it becomes clear that the Guardians got the better end of the deal.

          It is happening right now with the Andres Gimenez trade.

          The Guardians greatest ability is to make trades that appear nonsensical at the moment, but turn out great in the long run. They aren’t perfect, but trades remain the team’s most consistent source of quality players.

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        • LFGSD619

          2 months ago

          Maybe. I still can’t remember the last time a team traded their #2 starter in the middle of the season and then won (or even made it to) the WS that same year. The Tigers tried it last year and it didn’t work. One would think that a title is worth more than getting every last prospect.

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        • norcalguardiansfan

          2 months ago

          The Guardians’ rotation that year was Bieber, McKenzie, Carrasco, Plesac and Civale. That year, only Civale had an ERA over 4.00. mcKenzie’s was about 3.25. The others were under 3.00. Clevinger only had 4 starts with them all season and had been an issue in the clubhouse. (He convinced Plesac to violate team COVID rules and was briefly suspended as a result. )

          I had no problem with that trade at the time and I still don’t. It was the foundation of our success in 2022 and last year. We won the trade and wouldn’t have made the World Series that year with Clevinger in the team. They were a good team, as the Guardians/Indians have been, mostly, for the last twelve or so years, but they needed hitters.

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        • LFGSD619

          2 months ago

          Clevinger was the Guardians’ #2 starter at the time of the trade. They did not know that he would get injured immediately after it. And if they did then Preller probably has grounds for a grievance. Yankees fans would riot in the streets if they traded a guy like that in the middle of a playoff race.

          No one is disputing that the Guardians won the trade in hindsight, as is the case with most “win later” trades. But that is what it was. A win later trade.

          As waittilnextyear mentioned, all those pitchers except Civale (ostensibly the worst of the bunch) are currently unemployed.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          My word, I’ve never seen anyone relitigate a trade that was overwhelmingly favorable to CLE the minute it was made.

          Only a Padres fan hugging sour grapes would continue to make a case that CLE was somehow hurting its prospects in a meaningless COVID year when virtually everyone made the playoffs. The Padres made a highly questionable bet on an oft-injured, highly unstable pitcher and you’re trying to tell us CLE made the mistake?

          Good grief, man, it’s deals like that that (and ridiculous signings) that held back the Padres for years. Lecturing CLE on how to run a successful franchise is the height of arrogance.

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        • LFGSD619

          1 month ago

          They were hurting their prospects in the Covid season. If the Yankees traded their #2 starter at the deadline last July their fans would have rioted in the streets regardless of how favorable the return was from a value-for-value standpoint.

          By the way, Rajai Davis’ home run in the 2016 World Series, Francisco Lindor’s home run in the 2017 ALDS and Josh Naylor’s home run in the 2022 ALDS were all “just another home run.” Nothing special about them when compared to literally any other home run.

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        • LFGSD619

          4 weeks ago

          Keep crying lil’ bro. Those home runs were meaningless.

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    • Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

      2 months ago

      Clevinger has had a bit better career overall because he’s been healthier, but Mckenzie actually was better for those first couple seasons after the trade.

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      • LFGSD619

        2 months ago

        Can I borrow your crystal ball seeing as you clearly knew on the day the trade was made that Clevinger would get injured/regress after it?

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        • ClevelandSpidersFromMars

          1 month ago

          Did you ever watch Clevinger pitch? There were plenty of Cleveland fans predicting injury back then. His motion had the most casual fan questioning how long his body would hold up.

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        • LFGSD619

          1 month ago

          But you didn’t *KNOW* he would get injured.

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        • Avory

          4 weeks ago

          That’s how “calculated risk” works. Evidently something the San Diego franchise is incapable of assessing, sadly.

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        • LFGSD619

          4 weeks ago

          Wow 2 weeks later.

          Contenders take those risks.

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        • Avory

          3 weeks ago

          Precisely what dumb gamblers say as they shove all their chips into the middle of the table while the professionals just roll their eyes.

          Fans are amazing with their insane rationalizations for poor moves, just like losing gamblers…”I had a winning hand, honest I did!”

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        • LFGSD619

          3 weeks ago

          Imagine thinking like a rebuilding team when your team is ostensibly contending lmfao. Tbat’s why my father wasn’t even born yet the last time you guys won the WS and you guys made a “dumb” buyer trade at the deadline the last time you won the AL pennant.

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        • LFGSD619

          3 weeks ago

          It’s not my fault Chris Antonetti tries to win 54% of his games every season like Jerry Dipoto and Matt Arnold.

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  35. Datashark

    2 months ago

    6’5 165lbs
    looks like Gumby pitching – his mechanics dont fit the size/wt – needs an overhaul but has the talent if some team feels that they got the personnel to do it.

    Low risk now, high reward here. – sign to Minor league deal

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  36. Blue Baron

    2 months ago

    Reminds me of what happened to Matt Harvey, Noah Syndergaard, and numerous others. Nice run, but it doesn’t take much to derail a career.

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  37. t0bIe1CaN0bI

    2 months ago

    Fetters new project.

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    • 84LeFlore

      2 months ago

      Bingo! Would love to see the Tigers sign him & let Fet work with him. He may be in need of TJ surgery, IMO. In that case, there would be no immediate payoff, but there’s no urgent need for him, either. But having him available down the road for pitching depth seems low-risk, high-reward.

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  38. MLBSPOCK

    2 months ago

    the astros will probably snatch him up they like pitchers that are injured

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  39. Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

    2 months ago

    Massive upside potential for any team who claims him. Even if he physically can’t handle starting anymore he has the stuff to become a shutdown reliever.

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  40. Old York

    2 months ago

    23.3 BB%? Yikes!

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  41. joeflaccosunibrow

    1 month ago

    Welcome to Baltimore Triston!

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  42. End the insanity

    1 month ago

    So, whats the resolution here? Shouldn’t it have resolved by now?

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