As the Red Sox began a series with the Royals yesterday, Sox owner John Henry, team CEO Sam Kennedy, and chief baseball officer Craig Breslow all flew to Kansas City in response to Rafael Devers’ comments on Thursday about his refusal to play first base, and his displeasure with what the slugger felt was an unreasonable series of requests from upper management. Henry and manager Alex Cora (with Kennedy and Breslow not present) met with Devers privately prior to Friday’s game for a lengthy meeting that, in theory, helped clear the air about what has become a public controversy.
None of Devers, Henry, or Cora commented about the meeting, but Breslow told reporters (including The Athletic’s Jen McCaffrey) that Henry said an “honest and candid exchange” took place about the situation. The intent, as per Breslow, was to have “an honest conversation about what we value as an organization and what we believe is important to the Boston Red Sox and that is being great teammates for each other. And so we think we had a productive conversation. John seems to have had a productive conversation. And that’s where things stand right now.”
In a follow-up about what Breslow considered a great teammate, he answered “I think it’s No. 1, being honest and open with communication. I think it is recognizing when there’s an opportunity to step up, when there’s a need for the group to be in front of any individual achievement or accomplishment. And I think it’s important that that gets reinforced given what we’re hoping to accomplish.”
Devers said Thursday that he took issue with Breslow recently asking about a position change to first base, and the two parties haven’t yet spoken since Devers went public with his frustrations. Though Breslow said his conversation with Devers was more “exploratory” in nature about a possible move to first base, the CBO took some responsibility for the awkward situation.
“My reaction was there potentially was some misunderstanding on the communication or an opportunity to more clearly provide communication,” Breslow said. “And so hopefully that was a step in the right direction here today….Obviously, it’s unfortunate that we’re in the situation that we are right now. But as you approach every decision, you try to provide as much clear communication as possible. It’s my job to always put the priorities of the organization first. But I should also be evaluating every interaction I have with players and I’ll continue to do that.”
More will be known if or when Devers himself comments on the meeting, and it isn’t likely that Henry (who rarely speaks with the media) will issue a comment. As McCaffrey noted, however, the fact that Henry felt the need to personally travel to Kansas City and meet with Devers directly was a very public statement in its own right, and underscored the “unusual” nature of what has become a major subplot of Boston’s season.
After spending his first eight seasons as the Red Sox third baseman, Devers has become a full-time DH this season in order to accommodate Alex Bregman (a much better defensive player) at the hot corner. Devers has long expressed his preference to remain at third base and even continued this stance after Bregman was signed, though he eventually stated that he was “good to do whatever they want me to do.” After a slow start at the plate, Devers has been crushing the ball over the last couple of weeks, seemingly settling in nicely to his new designated hitter role.
Triston Casas began the season as the everyday first baseman, but since Casas’ 2025 campaign has now likely been ended by a knee surgery, Romy Gonzalez and Abraham Toro have been handling the position. Moving Devers to first base seemed like a possible answer to the first base problem, as opening up the DH spot would’ve also allowed the Red Sox to find a spot for Masataka Yoshida (currently on the injured list) or for top prospects Roman Anthony or Marcelo Mayer. After being asked to change positions once, however, Devers has balked at learning a new position on the fly, and was quite openly frustrated over now being asked to become a first baseman after being told that he would only be a DH in 2025.
It remains to be seen what next steps might be taken, or whether or not Friday’s meeting might have laid some groundwork for Devers to eventually move to first base after all. Given how Breslow mentioned the concept of teammate behavior, it is worth noting that the other Red Sox players seem to be staying quiet about the situation for now.
“We will talk about it. Obviously, things are fresh and a little emotional right now, but yeah, we will do it,” Trevor Story told MLB.com’s Jackson Stone. “And like I said, we’re all adults and we’ll figure this thing out eventually. One way or another, it’s about winning games and I think everyone can agree on that.”
I understand Devers view, but if it was an honest conversation, then he has to ask himself why is the organization afraid to talk with him about potential changes beforehand, and why is he then discussing private conversations with the media. Could he related. They don’t trust him anymore than he does them.
The whole thing seems more like an attempt to apply pressure to Devers than to appeal to him. They make big deal out of flying out the brass and making sure the press know. Throw in Breslow’s quotes about what makes a great teammate and, yeah, Devers got ambushed.
Ambushed? You don’t know that
Henry came out to settle matters in the way he sees fit. It wasn’t an “us versus him” meeting. I’m sure of it.
It was “we’re all US and let’s move forward successfully as a unit.”
Gary — You believe the good in people but you mistakenly apply that to corporate leaders.
Whatever Breslow said means nothing because he wasn’t in the meeting. His statements are a cover to shift the blame onto Devers if this situation continues. It looks like good faith but it is a cover to say whatever inside the meeting without consequences because others believe people aren’t that duplicitous.
Cleveland not necessary the good in people. I’m believing in his skill as a businessman.
That’s what the brass wanted to convey to Devers as only Henry, Cora, and Devers were present in their meeting. But why was Kennedy and Breslow also in KC? In case crap hits the fan and they need to figure out quickly further damage control of their franchise player.
There are things about how to run a workplace where Boomers can learn from some of the youngsters – but there are also things that the youngsters should work towards listening to the folks that grew up in a different era as well. Plus, playing a professional sport is not like working at Home Depot.
I am sure that the organization could have handled things better, however Devers is just acting like a big baby and probably creates a lot of his own drama with his entitled nonsense.
In the clubhouse, there is no way that this is going down well. And again – plenty of examples of stars and non-stars that simply do what they can to help the team win. Period. Where the RS messed up was in making a guy that showed all of these signs beforehand to that deal – he was the last guy that they should have paid big $$. Grow the heck up kid.
Gary – The meeting was a farce.
They tried making it look like Devers was being a bad teammate, tried making him feel guilty.
Their goal was not to have an open and honest dialogue and work toward a resolution.
If it was, they would have acknowledged that deceiving and lying to Devers THREE TIMES (when the extension was signed, this past offseason, and the end of ST) was wrong and they shouldn’t have done it.
Nearly EVERYONE except Sox ownership and management has acknowledged how badly the organization has handled his situation the past 6 months.
Trevor Story was asked point-blank last night how he felt about the situation. He answered appropriately, stating it wouldn’t be right to get involved as he doesn’t know every detail that occurred between all parties.
Even Red Sox employees like Tom Caron and Jim Rice spoke about Raffy’s justification in feeling the way he does.
For the good of all parties, Devers should be traded.
Fever, this one I’ve got to disagree with you on. Devers made his own choice to mouth off to the media, including this past time in front of disapproving teammates where one vet even tried to get him to just shut up.
Plenty of other players go through these things and don’t act out like this.
Gary — Skill as a businessman?? What is he closing a deal? No, he’s gone to yell at his overpriced talent because he just got all the leverage he needed after the fans ate up the media barrage. This is probably a continuation of the same practices his subordinates started. It’s classic carrot and stick.
I think part of being a good businessman is having the ability to deal with people. In fact, that’s a major part of the whole thing.
But I understand your point.
The Red Sox gave Devers crap and he is giving them crap back. It is pretty simple I think. Do people here really take crap from others and not respond? Yes, breaking a promise to Devers is giving him crap no matter how much he is paid. Hopefully, both sides are done acting badly and we move on. I think this sums up my view on this situation.
Yes – White Sox – Vaughn, Robert, and Leasure for Devers, Hamilton, and Abreu.
Nobody is going to give the Saux anything near that contract’s value.
I also disagree with you. Devers is not being a team guy. The writing was on the wall when Casas went down. Everyone and his brother knew Devers would be the best option…FOR THE TEAM…to pick up a glove and go out to 1st base. He’s a highly paid, professional baseball player. He’s good enough to do it too.
Go talk to Javy Baez. There’s a guy who did what he needed to do to help his team….and he’s a key reason the Tigers are the best team in the A.L. so far.
I’m sorry but comparing Devers to Baez is dumb. Baez lost his job because he sucked. Devers hasn’t remotely fallen that far, he’s still a premier hitter.
Oh no, no, no. Baez was a SS. He knew he wasn’t producing. Like Devers, he has a huge, guaranteed contract. He didn’t have anything to gain by moving to a new position. He was going to get paid no matter how bad he hit. The Tigers got Sweeney in a trade and almost immediately put him in Baez’s SS spot. He didn’t complain. He went to the bench, platooned, pinch hit and played late inning defense when called upon. Again, no drama.
But the Tigers said we need you to have some versatility. He has played a little 3rd and 2nd base, so they asked him to go out there and give it a try. However, I don’t think he actually played any 2nd as a Tiger and didn’t in ST.
The CF thing was an experiment for both sides. Baez didn’t whine. He didn’t pout. He went out there and gave it his best shot. It turns out he’s a damn good CF’er…AND…he likes it. In addition, he’s found a new approach at the plate and is producing. Nope…he’s not hitting in the top of the order anymore. He didn’t whine about that either. He took his medicine. He’s beloved in Detroit now. His manager and teammates all rave about him.
Javy Baez is a professional. He did what needed to be done for his team.
Yeah you can’t complain when you suck for three seasons and the team replaces you. You of course have to be humble for failing to reach the minimum expectations.
Devers hasn’t fallen on hard times like Baez did where his legacy was in complete shambles. Funny thing is that Baez is desperate to be relevant, still supported by an inflated BABIP so how long is this really going to last.
Then how about veteran Jose Altuve voluntarily moving to left field to help the team and voluntarily moving from the leadoff spot to number two to help the team? I know you probably hate Altuve, but the principle is still true.
Another good example. Thumbs up.
If one doesn’t properly perform upto “business standards” they either get transferred, demoted or fired. Rafael Devers is an employee, a VERY VERY VERY well paid employee. His job description is to try to help the TEAM win to the BEST of his ability. That includes attempting a position change, if it’s in the BEST INTEREST of the TEAM.
Gary,
It wasn’t an “us versus him” meeting? You don’t know that.
Do you mean Altuve asking to be moved from leadoff because he can’t get his old legs from LF to the dugout in time to get ready to bat? That’s not taking one for the team. That’s not admitting you need to retire.
Devers is being a bad teammate. The front office also being dysfunctional doesn’t completely let him off the hook for not showing up to help his own team.
He’s a franchise player, he should act like one. $300mm comes with a higher standard.
I would eat so much crap for someone if they paid me 300 million dollars, yes. Sign me up!
It’s also possible they all jumped on a plane to have a group discussion but then felt it could turn into an ambush if it went poorly and decided on a one on one meeting with Cora as a translator.
Fever, we again disagree (are we married?). They had to plan and when he signed he was the third baseman, then they didn’t know if they were getting another third baseman until Bregman signed. Only Derek Jeter seems to be exempt from trading positions. I’m picturing Yaz moving for Rice when at the time he was still better in left. It made the team better and baseball is a team sport. Not to be disrespectful to Aaron Judge who clearly is the best today but he hasn’t gotten a ring yet and that’s what it’s about.
Javier Baez was not the professional two years ago that he is now. He was moved down the lineup and sulked on the field and on the basepaths. He made some poor plays and was an easy out after he got on base. He had other issues as well. Now, he seems to have grown up some.
And he isn’t a guy known historically for being a total professional. Good on him for sucking it up.
Agreed. Devers has shown he doesn’t appreciate how lucky he is to even play baseball as a living. He can hit, but his attitude would have prevented me from offering him anything.
How do you know it was a farce? You’ve repeatedly taken great leaps and made odd comparisons which lead me to believe we’ll never agree. Devers handled this badly, Management did handle it worse. You’ve made him some kind of martyr, he’s far from that. Numbers and facts back that up.
“honest and candid exchange” Went something like this –
Henry: Raffy, we could use you at 1st to help the team out, what’d you think?
Devers: first off, don’t ever call me Raffy & secondly, don’t ever ask me that again. EVER!!
Ahahahahahahaha!
NYC – exactly how the Cashman/Jeter conversation went when they signed A-Rod
“Hey Raffy, we understand we’ve handled this wrong from the get-go and we would like to apologize and make amends. The fans love you, we love having you play for us, and we think you are the one that is going to lead us to another championship. As you know, losing Triston has put us in a position where we need to find a replacement. We understand it’s asking a lot from you, but we believe your leadership and god given talent gives us the best chance to persevere through this major hurdle. We have come up with a rather unique possible solution and would like to ask you to consider it. What do you think about taking reps at 1B for the next two weeks, and then step up and take over for the remainder of the year? Just so you know exactly how much this means to us, your teammates, and the city of Boston, we would like to offer you an extra incentive. For every game you play at 1B, we will give you a 25K. For every game you don’t make an error at 1B we will throw another 10K on top. We believe we have a kid in Worcester that would be able to come up and split time in the OF and with you as DH when not at 1B that could give us some serious offensive power. We believe that if you help facilitate this move it will truly put us in a position to take this division back. Again, we apologize how this has been handled and we should have absolutely considered how disrespectful it must have come across. You are beloved by this city and a legend in the making. Let’s go kick some ass kid! What do you say?”
That’s what I would have said if I was JH.
The Red Sox front office is to blame. With their payroll there is no excuse for the lack of depth at 1B.
If the plan was for Dever to be the 1B behind Casas, then management should have given Devers reps at 1B in spring training. But instead they told him to “throw away his glove”.
If Bregman is such a team first guy why hasn’t he volunteered to move to 1B and let Devers go back to 3B
The difference is that without the position change Baez is on the bench. Devers will get his AB with or without the change.
Promises? Prima donna. Attitude adjustment. 300 million?
I agree warnbeeb, I would send Denvers away, he’s not a team player.
How is 35 year old veteran the same thing? He’s still playing the field, not forced into DH. And he went from leading off to hitting second, which is an upgrade.
Devers case is unique, not because he was asked to play 1B, rather how the team has managed the relationship. I’m sure if the relationship wasn’t so fragile, this wouldn’t have been an issue. But for some reason, people just Can’t Understand Normal Thinking.
He is a bad teammate. He may have been misinterpreted which would make him less of a baby.
Absolutely!
Ha, ha.
Baez fell off a cliff and did what he had to do to try and save his career……not the same
Tom – To totally disregard the different background and context is quite disingenuous. Or are you really not aware of the difference in treatment each player has received from their respective teams?
Carver – Will Middlebrooks spoke to the players who are considered leaders, their response was exactly as I stated – they simply don’t care what Devers said, because it’s not their concern and not their business.
Employees will not insert themselves in disputes between an employee and management, period. It’s like that everywhere including the corporate world.
Only Gabby tried to twist it into something it’s not.
GaSox – Yesterday Cora praised Devers for being open and honest in his interview, he said that’s how he wants his players to be.
What Devers did was the mature, responsible thing. What would you rather he do, pout and let what they did to him eat him up inside? He did not speak with anger, he was very professional in his demeanor.
And in case you haven’t noticed, Devers had a monster weekend including a 440-foot gamewinning bomb today. The guy is incredibly clutch and one of the best hitters in the game.
You said you wanted to enjoy this season, right? Well nobody is carrying this team right now as much as Devers … so you’re happy he is on the team, right? ;O)
BTW – Who is the vet who allegedly “tried to shut him up”? I hadn’t heard that. Source?
Gary – When you say “deal with people” are you referring to players here?
If so, John Henry is the principal owner and as such it’s not his responsibility to deal with players. He has people below him who are responsible for player issues.
If a player is angry, Cora should deal with it.
If Cora can’t resolve it, then Breslow should step in.
If Breslow can’t resolve it, then Kennedy should step in.
The fact Henry himself had to fly out to KC doesn’t reflect well on any of those three people.
warn – Was Baez promised this past offseason that he would be the starting shortstop this year?
Was Baez told to essentially burn his glove because he would never be playing the field, not even as a fill-in?
He’s played “a little” 2B? Exaggerate much? He’s played 2,558 innings of 2B in his professional career, and 750 innings of 3B prior to this season.
Devers has played only 3B his ENTIRE PROFESSIONAL CAREER (can’t count 3 innings at SS and 3 innings at 2B), so no offense but that’s a piss-poor comparison.
yeah – Devers carried the team with this bat this weekend, if that makes a “bad teammate” then give me 8 other guys who are “bad teammates”.
dewey – John Henry has an extremely unusual close bond with Cora, that had more to do with it than anything.
If it was just to translate, why not use the translator who is sworn to secrecy?
dewey – Haha I get what you’re saying about married life, and I do think it’s better to disagree with your spouse than to simply let them have their way all the time ;O)
My friend I can come up with PLENTY of star players who kept their position despite being among the worst at it.
Tony Gwynn was rated 5th-worst in MLB out of 39 OF’ers from 1992-2001 with a -53 TZ, which was the last decade of his MLB career. He DH’ed only SIX GAMES during that final decade.
lucky – Seriously, what the heck? Right after I wrote it was a farce, I wrote three paragraphs carefully explaining why it was a farce.
How could you possibly miss that? So you just stopped reading after my first sentence?
I do appreciate you acknowledging management handled it badly.
Devers did EXACTLY what Cora said he wanted him to do, he spoke his mind and said how he truly felt.
The meeting Friday wasn’t some kind of punishment for saying how he felt, it was because you really don’t want to have hard feelings between your franchise player and the CBO.
Devers got EXACTLY what he wanted out of it, he got management and ownership to at least listen to him and address the situation. They are having ongoing conversations, that’s always a good thing. Devers did good.
What do you mean by “numbers don’t back that up”?
NYC – Here’s a better version …
Henry: “Raffy, we could use you at first base to help the team out, What do you think?”
Devers: “First off, don’t ever call me Raffy ….. my name is Carita! And secondly, y’all told me to burn my glove and I can’t afford to buy a new one!”
Hahahahahaha!!!
Sean – I actually like that!
The only thing I’d change, and I say this in all seriousness, is to ask Devers to try first base for a few games instead of telling him he will play the position for the rest of the season.
That’s key, to just get him to try. No pressure that way.
kc – So very true!
In the corporate world everyone has a cross-trained backup so that if someone “gets hit by a bus” as we often say, there will be someone ready to step in for them.
That should have been the case with Casas, especially knowing his injury history.
Red Sox management couldn’t have handled this any worse, this is even more proof they NEVER HAVE A PLAN.
And I especially like your thoughts on Bregman volunteering. After all, he has just as much experience at first base as Raffy ;o)
Wade – It’s up to the players to decide whether he is or not.
And not one single player has gone on record as saying they have a problem with Devers.
You are truly at a fever pitch pace!
Good point. Didn’t actually think much into it. Just rattled off what I thought should be the tone. But very good point. The more they can get him the own the idea of being the savior of the city this season the better.
They did appeal to him in the form of a giant over pay.
Oh no the big bad boys didnt liked that something that was supposedly to be private was turned quite public because Devers threw another tantrum…
I mean they didnt asked him to play for the A ball team, they asked him to play in a position that right now is in need for the team.
Ambushed? If it was someone not as important to the team and could be even end up being DFAd… a talk with the brass is quite a small “punishment”
Ambushed? It was the right thing to do to meet face to face. Feels like neither side can do anything right for some. The Sox handled this terribly out of the gate, Devers not much better. Hopefully they can make it work.
LOL… they already talked this week and Devers put it out there in the media first.
Really good point. Their actions don’t really align with their words. It’s true they don’t technically owe him anything not in his contract but that doesn’t mean Boston is handling this respectfully either. Instead of assuming Devers resistance to change is unique perhaps Boston’s approach is what’s unique and behind the abnormal tension and bubbling animosity?
dejota – Excellent post!
John Henry didn’t become a billionaire by being a nice, respectful man of integrity. And everyone below him (Kennedy, Cora, Breslow) will toe the line because they value their jobs.
Gotta keep in mind, Raffy is only 28 ….. he has never had to deal with something like this, while ownership and management are old pros at taking advantage of people below them and making them look like the bad guy.
The “don’t be a bad teammate” lecture is right out of the management playbook.. When it comes to players, divide and conquer. That’s how you control them.
I’ve said over and over, there’s a right way to do things and a wrong way. But like John Henry said in Moneyball, (paraphrasing) when you’re the owner you can get away with whatever you want and what everyone else wants doesn’t matter. Raffy hasn’t learned that yet, but I respect him for standing up for himself and I’m sure his family and friends do as well.
This is irrelevant. The team has mishandled interactions for years. We all know that. But devers is the one that made this public and made himself look stupid. His teammates should be quietly pissed off about this.
Tang – Did he or did he not refuse to give interviews since the Casas injury FOR THIS REASON.
He didn’t want to talk about it, but Cora encouraged him to and a lot of people criticized him for not speaking to the media. Players are supposed to talk to the media, period.
LordD — The Red Sox are afraid of Devers speaking to the media???? Are you joking? They are laughing at him, mocking him. They got exactly what they needed to walk into that conversation. And you’re saying they’ve been afraid to talk to him? Yeah, they might’ve been before because they didn’t have the leverage over him as they know they are trying to pull another one over him.
When I participated in sports growing up the manager or coach posted the position I was playing or the distance I was running. A player at this level and making this kind of money playing a team sport should do what’s been for the team like the rest of us did.
Yeah every kid did because the coach held all the power, especially if you wanted to play everyday.
Devers plays in the MLB and gets paid. It’s always business first. Winning comes second. So how is your situation the same? You might’ve asked how high when the coach told you to jump, but why should a player who has been in the league for 8 years and isn’t under the teams thumb anymore listen? It’s not an apples to apples comp.
No matter how much you think he should do what’s best for the team. The team and Devers have to collaborate if what you want gets done.
That just makes devers an inconsiderate pri**
They did talk to him. Read Dever’s interview earlier this week.
This situation has “Trade Deal ” written all over it.
The Red Sox will try to move Devers, but, Devers’s
1) declining Defense @3B
2) the now public dispute with the Owner & Front Office & airing
the team’s dirty laundry in the press and
3) His huge contract
are 3 factors that are tanking Dever’s value in any trade.
The Red Sox would have to pay a substantial amount of Dever’s long term contract to even get their trade calls answered
The Tigers are looking for a 3B man.
Either Nolan Arenado
or Devers could be a fit in Detroit.
The Tigers are not going anywhere near Devers unless the Saux send 2/3 of his salary with him. And they won’t do that
That is what I was saying in my post above.
The Tigers have Vierling when he returns from the DL. Tiger fans are happy with his production and he makes the minimum.
If I were his teammate, I would have a hard time dealing with him in the locker room, you do what is best for the team to win games.
His defense is dog$hit. Keeping him off the field IS what’s best for the team
GM’s do (what they think) is best for the team
Having a player refusing to do whats best for the team and caring more about ME than TEAM says something
This would be like if mookie betts refused to play in the infield, but he cares about winning at all costs and he got rewarded with a championship
Mookie actually was an infielder and wanted to play there. The red Sox moved him to the outfield. Still the point is the same. He did what was needed without complaint
He didn’t do it in the middle of a season, either. He was told at the end of the season that he should get ready to play the outfield the next season
Mookie wanted to play, and the Sox had Pedroia at 2B. So he moved.
This situation is like moving Pedroia to the outfield after first telling him “we’re gonna promote Mookie to play third base”.
Betts did not have an 11 year contract with Boston. In fact he couldn’t wait to leave.
Padres asked Roberto Alomar to move to SS,’
Alomar politely decline to change positions.
As a 2B, Alomar was an All Star and Hall of Fame Candidate.
As a SS, Alomar would have just been an average or above average SS.
I bet pedroia would’ve done it
Tang – So you acknowledge Mookie’s situation was different in many ways, but you still try to use him as a comp?
Well alrighty then …..
Mango – Which is EXACTLY what the Red Sox should have done with Devers.
They knew last November they were gonna replace Devers at 3B, they should have told him to prepare for fulltime DH and also to take reps at first base.
This isn’t rocket science here, it’s common sense …. something Red Sox management don’t have.
kc – Nobody has ever had an 11-year contract with the Red Sox, so not sure what you’re getting at. Try again.
Wtf are you talking about? It’s different, but the guy did what the team needed. They are two different things
Tang – Raffy taught them a lesson. He held them accountable. He stood up for himself. There’s 250 million reasons why he won’t allow them to keep jerking him around and disrespecting him.
It’s a big picture thing, I can’t explain it better than I already have. Lots of people here get it. Anybody who has been done dirty by management gets it.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
‘tang it — Betts situation represented a win-win.
Comparing to Devers situation. Devers situation isn’t a win-win. Devers lost his position.
Since he did do what the team needed in the end, why doesn’t he get credit?
What I don’t get is why people assume Devers is selfish. He made a move, one that significantly more costly to him than most of the examples people bring up. And now the team making an enormous ask. But instead of the team getting blow back, the player gets it, and all of it because he shared his sentiments on the situation.
The fact people don’t realize how novel this situation is are really missing the point. Has there been a situation ever where a team moved a veteran player twice in two months to completely new positions that has a big, lengthy contract as Devers has? Let alone before 30 years old and not declining in overall performance.
Cleveland – You are 100% correct!
Raffy has played 11,198 innings in the field in his professional career, all at 3B. Then he was blindsided and told he would never play the field again, not even as a fill-in. And this happened in his 20’s. It’s completely unheard of. All because Cora had one thing on his mind, Bregman. Absolutely horrific mismanagement and there’s no doubt in my mind Cora convinced everyone Devers would be cool with it so they’d sign Bregman
As for the hater fans, that’s what they do … they build up players and then they try to tear them down. It’s happened a lot with the Red Sox … Clemens, Boggs, Nomar, Mookie, etc.
Perhaps Sox players should all wear anonymous masks and never be referenced by name so they aren’t looked at as people at all … just nameless faceless numbers.
Mango – Just curious, why do you think that?
When former players like Merloni and Youk go on record as saying Devers would make a great first baseman – in fact the “best defensive first baseman the Red Sox have had in 5 years” – and they give detailed explanations why, please explain why you would disagree with those experts who have made the transition from third to first and who have no particularly close ties with Raffy.
I have yet to see ANYONE here who has even made an attempt to refute what the experts have stated.
Fever – none of that matters when devers REFUSES to help the team by being a 1B out of this selfishness/brooding/misplaced pride..
The current dust up is *because* breslow asked devers, privately, in a no pressure setting if he would *try* being a 1B – not even ordering him to
I’ve watched him play. He’s a butcher. Let him hit and find a first baseman
I just feel like making a POST where I capitalize one word for emphasis. Looks fin.
*fun
Mango – Come on, you’re better than that.
To assume any player who is bad at one position cannot be good at another is ridiculous.
FYI his struggles at first base were due to throwing and ranging to his left. He’s a plus defender at charging the ball and going to his right, backed up with stats.
You don’t need to throw 120 feet often playing first base, nor do you need to range to your left very often. Everyone knows that, including management… which is why they are considering him for first base.
GaSox – You know what’s interesting?
Cora refused to ask Devers, because Cora knew it was an outrageous ask and he knew how Devers would react to it.
Did Breslow not know as well? Doubtful, as I’m sure Cora explained to Breslow why asking Devers was not a good idea.
But Breslow asked him anyway, because Breslow is tone-deaf.
Breslow is a highly intelligent man, but most highly intelligent men are lacking in people skills. Haven’t you seen The Accountant yet?
Got a question for ya FPG. When you look at the top prospects we’ve got it’s obvious there are too many playing OF and SS. Most of these guys playing CF and SS typically make a move to corner OF spots and move over to 2B/3B. There is clearly a lack of depth at 1B. Some young kids with potential, but years away. Is there anyone that stands out to you that you think could excel with a move to 1B? Maybe Romero? He’s a bit short but has a decent power profile. Anyone come to mind?
Fever Pitch Guy — Consider Breslow knew asking Devers was tone deaf. What could you conclude would cause him to do something he knew was fruitless?
Hear me out. Maybe, as Chief Baseball Officer, part of Breslow’s job is taking the lead on directives whatever they are. The organization running him as point for a lot of these decisions would put him up front. In this case, it would mean he is the one communicating to Devers.
I guess what I’m considering is that Breslow isn’t a savant but a puppet. He doesn’t represent only his own ideas. He could also represent ownership’s intentions as well. When people have a buffer to responsibilities, they tend to act coldly, which could easily explain some of the ‘tone-deaf’ situations we are watching unfold.
Seriously! He’s starting to rake. Leave him at DH.
tek – Which do you think is the better option:
1) Devers at 1B, Yoshida at DH
2) Devers at DH, Sogard/Toro at 1B
I think you realize #1 is the best option, but only if Devers gets adequate time to prepare and proves he can play first base.
Do his teammates really want him learning a new position mid-season though? Is that the best for the team?
If leadership thinks he can do it then he can at least try it out
And if he becomes the worst 1st baseman of all time then it’s leaderships fault
And what if he gets hurt?
I wonder how many teammates are giving Devers the cold stare right now.
Just the ones who’ve never seen him play defense
He’s a much better defender than Big Papi ever was….and he’s not as good a DH as Big Papi either.
Go pick up a glove and take some grounders.
You can’t be serious, or, you haven’t watched both play.
Papi had an ops below .900 only 3 seasons with the red Sox. Devers barely exceeded an ops of .900 *once*
Papi had numerous seasons above 1.000 ops as well.
You didn’t read my post. I said Big Papi is a better hitter than Raffy. Raffy is a better defender than Papi. Raffy should give 1B a shot. I bet he’d do just fine,
Or, just hear me out on this one, maybe the Boston Red Sox can actually go out and get a player who actually plays the position?. Instead of insisting every player must play out of position? Need a first baseman? Sign a first baseman.
I will agree that the Red Sox did not construct their roster all that well. It was a mistake, IMHO, to sign Bregman without having a plan B and C.
Plan B: Have Raffy on board
Plan C: What to do in case of injuries
I’m a Red Sox fan (after my Tigers…and because I loathe the Monkees) and I’m a little suspicious that Joey Cora wasn’t on board with all of this when they signed Bregman.
Nevertheless, every team needs to have a backup once they get punched in the mouth.
While it shouldn’t be all on Devers to make things right, he should know with his contract he’s supposed to be a leader on the field and in the clubhouse. Both sides of this handled it poorly.
GaSox – Nobody is comparing Devers to the greatest DH of all time.
But if you look at Raffy’s career numbers coming into this season and compare them to David’s career numbers through Age 27, Raffy holds up rather well.
Remember, a player’s prime is typically 26-30 ….. we haven’t seen Raffy’s best season yet.
No one of any quality is available this time of year
Mango – If they do the right thing and call up Anthony to replace Rafaela then yes I agree with you that they could sustain a replacement level first baseman.
Lloyd – How did the players respond when Raffy said in ST he refused to DH?
Projecting your personal feelings of Raffy onto the players view of him is kinda silly, don’t you think?
Well, considering I’m a fan of Devers, your interpretation of my comment is kinda silly.
LLoyd – I interpreted your comment as you saying Raffy’s teammates are not happy with him.
If that’s not the case, cool.
Being a Sox fan doesn’t matter though, there are Sox fans who support Raffy and Sox fans who think he’s the devil.
When Devers first refused to move off third base his teammate, Duran, showed up on MLB Networks indepth Spring Training look-in (I forget what they called it this year but it used to be 30Teams in 39 Days) wearing a Devers Tshirt!!!
Players nowadays are all independent subcontractors. They play for themselves. As a matter of fact, they’re often yold to “not look in each other’s wallets”. They don’t really care all that much if he does or doesn’t, I guarantee
Sad – Exactly! Players will always support their teammates in subtle ways, Sox players were seen wearing Yoshida shirts a lot in ST and in regular season pre-game.
But no player is gonna insert themself in a dispute between player and management, that would be dumb of them.
not many after 4 for 4 and a walk! Produce and all is good….
AK – Yep, producing (and winning) fixes everything.
It’s like with Casas, his behavior was tolerated when he was putting up a .900 OPS … when he wasn’t, not so much.
He’s finally settled in to being a DH and now they want to occupy his mind again by making him the first baseman. Just give the man a bat and let him do what he does best!
I’ve never seen a Superstar treated with more disrespect than the way the Red Sox have been treating Devers this season.
LOL !!!!
I’m sorry you’ve never been properly led. Anyone who understands leadership knows this has been a complete failure and disrespectful behavior by the Red Sox organization
Drasco, leadership means getting in the trenches and doing it first. However John Henry can relay that message to Devers would be instrumental in bridging the gap here.
I’m sure if Henry is any good at business, the Red Sox will come out smelling like roses when the dust settles.
What that looks like I don’t know, but a billionaire executive should know exactly how to handle this.
Gary – If by “smelling like roses” you mean there will be a portion of the fanbase who will turn on Raffy and a larger portion who will continue to support the Red Sox?
Well yeah, of course.
I for one can’t stand how badly Raffy was treated …. just like Mookie, and Xander, and Lester, and Bronson, and Boggs, and Clemens, and Fisk, and countless other players.
But no owner or manager is gonna keep me from supporting the TEAM (players) that I’ve loved for half a century.
And yes, John Henry and FSG and Redbird all know that.
Fever, it seems like I’m in the minority thinking that John Henry traveled to meet with Devers to help facilitate some sort of peace.
I don’t know what that looks like or how he will accomplish it, but I think that was the goal. Most others think Henry came with other intentions.
FPG- totally agree! The Red Sox have a bad reputation for how they treat their players. It hurts them in the dealings between players and Front Office, and, it hurts them with their dealings with free agents.
You can add JD Martinez and Teoscar Hernandez to your list.
Most importantly, don’t forget how some “analyst” treated Jim Rice just a few weeks ago!!!!!
The Red Sox and the Yankees for that matter have always been this way. Suck up and overpay FAs from other organizations while playing hardball with their homegrown talent.
By this time next year, Bregman will have opted out and Breslow fired. Devers and his 11 year contract will still be there.
John Henry is a very successful investor.
Not sure if he is a people person or not.
Not Just their players,
How many excellent, achieving Presidents of Baseball Ops and GMs have the Red Sox blown out the door?!,
The players see that sort of thing and very likely are thinking that they better look our for #1. their money, their careers, their positions etc…
Sad – I should have included Nomar in that list, can’t believe I forgot him!!!
kc – Devers doesn’t have an 11-year contract.
But you’re right, Sox have to overpay in order to sign players because of their awful reputation.
Soto is probably saying to himself “Thank God I didn’t sign with the Red Sox”.
lol what about superstars that get surprised traded? (Luka) that is way worse than being asked to move positions to help the team out.
Rafael is that you ?
I wouldn’t exactly call devers a superstar either
Yeah, superstar is top 10-15 in the league in my opinion. He’s just a good hitter. Basically the same level as Schwarber.
Who, by the way, at least tried to play a little 1B
Devers IMO ranks below (in no particular order) bregman, canpbell, Duran, abreu, and, is the offensive equivalent of Rafaela – one can hit and not field, one can field and not hit, both roughly to the same War. And shortly it wouldn’t surprise me to see devers surpassed by one or both of Anthony and Casas in production.
Dooper – So you’re saying Ortiz wasn’t a superstar?
I’m not necessarily disagreeing as it’s all a matter of personal opinion, but David Ortiz was widely viewed as a superstar and all he did was hit … when he wasn’t failing drug tests, raging in the dugout by smashing telephones, etc.
GaSox – Raffy is the offensive equivalent of Rafaela?
I’m not gonna even touch that or the others my friend ;O)
Yep. Did you read the words that followed: one can hit and not field (thats raffy) and one can field and not hit (that’s rafaela) both roughly to the same War.
Not sure how that’s confusing unless you skim read and didn’t pick up on one player has bat value and one has glove value, but both roughly the same war value to the team
GaSox – No worries my friend, if you think Rafaela right now has more value than Devers right now that’s your prerogative.
The wording “offensive equivalent” means same offense for both, I think what you were trying to get at is “talent equivalent” or “value equivalent”.
All good though, it’s Saturday so I have to leave this Devers hate-fest for now. Let’s hope Crochet can man-up and give more than 5 innings this time. I believe the Sox will win tonight, looking forward to it!
GA – you can throw WAR and bWAR and all tge other stats at us all you want. In the last five years, game on the line, men on base, who did you want at the plate?
The NBA now uses a “Clutch” statistic. I would take that over WAR every day of the week!
For the last five years Devers carried the club. For the last 12 years he’s been a good employee and teammate. So, what your saying is….he’s completely changed and the Front Office, who’s only been here a year are the honest brokers??? Doesn’t pass the sniff test IMO
Actually, devers never was clutch the way papi was. A healthy chunk of devers stats come.in low pressure situations.
In prior seasons, I’d actually have hoped for other guys, such as JDM for example, to come to the plate if you’re bring 12 years into this.
But no, I did not hope for devers with the game on the line
@fpg. Statistically, no. But he had the personality and playoff resume to raise him star level. Devers doesn’t have the other facets.plus he was a major piece in the championship teams.
And getting busted for drunk driving.
GaSox – How ya like Raffy’s clutchness this weekend?
Did you see his mammoth 440-foot gamewinning homerun today?
You’re right, I wouldn’t compare Raffy’s clutchness to Ortiz as Papi was probably the greatest clutch hitter in Red Sox history looking at his .943 OPS with RISP (of course having Manny behind him helped).
But Raffy is unquestionably a very clutch hitter, don’t you remember the analysis I did when everyone was arguing whether Xander or Devers should be extended? Raffy’s clutch numbers were far better than Xander’s, such as his .892 OPS with RISP.
FPG – this battle is over for now, and Devers. won it, out on the field, not in the media. The way it should be! .
For everyone here, trolls or not, calling Devers out about his money, and how useless he is, and how selfish he is, Breslow is the one that had to walk back (forced to?) his comments.
Either way, it wasnt good, and Devers (admittedly) acted foolishly, and said he was “stubborn”.
The bottom line here is this; the Red Sox have a corporate culture of lying to their players, fans and potential players. Besides Devers, Kenley Jansen had unkind things to say about that as he walked out the door.
ftw.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2024/02/20/red-s…
The Red Sox are (maybe) the only team in baseball that criticizes and embarasses their best player in the media. They told Devers “you cant field and we’re making sure you never field again.” Can you see the Yankees doing that? The answer is no, because the Yankees coddle their laziest players like Cano, and Gleyber Torres (publicly). Think the Dodgers would criticize Max Muncy and say “hes out of shape” in the media, probably not. Why do the Sox feel this is the best path forward with their veteran stars?
How many times these past two or three offseasons di we hear that the Red Sox were “all in” on pursuing free agents? and finally, what seals the deal for me, needs no explanation…… “FULL THROTTLE”.
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Sad – Great post!
Yes Raffy has earned much street cred and respect in the lockerroom, because he stood up for himself and got his point across. He even made Creepy Thin Man get off his yacht and fly all the way to Kansas City!
And his teammates realize he wasn’t standing up for just himself, he was standing up for every player who wears or will wear a Red Sox uniform. Because now Sox management will think twice before deciding to mistreat a Duran or an Abreu or a Mayer or a Anthony or a Campbell in the future.
Yes I’m well aware of how they lied to Kenley and how he felt about it …. one of many victims of Red Sox management.
Where did Breslow walk back his comments? I was busy last weekend and couldn’t read all the Red Sox related articles, it’s not easy keeping up with everything!
FPG – the exact quote; Reacting to the situation and how it has unfolded, Boston Red Sox’s manager Craig Breslow said:
“I think Raffy was clearly frustrated with the situation, My reaction was that potentially there was some misunderstanding on the communication, or an opportunity to provide communication. Hopefully that was a step in the right direction here.”
msn.com/en-in/news/world/boston-red-sox-s-owner-jo…
That’s a joke, right? He should be doing whatever he can to help the team win. He has brought this upon himself.
Okay Mr and Mrs Lack of critical thinking skills, let’s put this into perspective:
The Red Sox signed Devers to a 300 million dollar deal, making him a career Red Sox/face of the franchise, to play THIRD BASE.
Then, without discussion, they signed away his position to a guy who literally opt out after every season of his contract. Clearly, Devers was not asked about it and he not okay with moving off of third.
The move obviously affected Devers negatively, going 0-24 to start the season.
Then, a guy gets hurt and the Red Sox ask Devers to play first. A position he’s never played before and wasn’t comfortable with.
Then, instead of doing what good leaders do, nip it in the bud and keep decisions in-house, they allow Devers to face questioning about moving to first. A leader says something along the lines of, “that is something we have discussed in house but WE really think, what is best if the TEAM is to keep Devers at DH.”
That is how you treat ANY player.
Lastly, Devers wasn’t forced off position by a prospect nor is Bregman some type of generational talent. Bregman was a 4.1 WAR player last season, Devers was a 3.7 WAR player. Yes, Bregman is a better third baseman but that doesn’t justify blindsiding your franchise player.
Drasc – Fantastic post!!
And no, critical thinking is not practiced by some here. That is abundantly clear.
Superstar? lol
Darren – Yeah Devers is a nobody, John Henry just decided to overpay him $280M out of the goodness of his heart.
Gotta love it …..
Let’s just ignore the fact he recently turned 28 and already has 206 HR, 664 RBI, 8,275 innings at 3B, and an .854 OPS in his MLB career.
Yep, just an average player.
No one called him an average player but he’s certainly not a superstar.
He hasn’t even finished a season in the top 10 for MVP voting.
Darren – Everyone is entitled to how they use the term “superstar”, but most typically associate it with the best players at each position/role.
I’m pretty sure it’s the poor defense that has kept him out of Top Ten MVP voting.
Everything you post sounds like a second grader wrote it.
I’m gonna pass on seeing more.
Drasco, Devers is the employee. If Cora had a spine, he’d throw Casas’ first base glove at Raffy and say “Here. Go play first.” I have read enough about these entitled athletes. The guy’s making almost 30 MM a year. Suck it up.
I’ve never seen this degree of coddling a player in all of my years.
Even with the third base thing and the sensitivity of dealing with the incumbent. Ridiculous.
But of course, I’m not surprised. The world is different today. Just take a trip to the grocery store and the candy aisle or the toy aisle and there’s a good chance you’ll see a kid or two screaming or rolling around on the ground.
It’s what we have become and here is the manifestation as these kids become adults.
Bro you support Draymond Green. C’mon, I’ve seen you on hoopsrumors.
As with many who disagree just to disagree, you have no clue.
I’ve wanted Greymond on the first plane out of town for 2 years.
My question for you is, why would you misrepresent a man’s position like that?
I apologize if I’m not remembering properly but I could’ve sworn I’ve seen you justifying his antics over on hoopsrumors. My larger point remains – you have seen a player coddled more than this – Green. I hope this doesn’t come across as a nonapology – I fully admit I assumed and can’t easily think of a quote from you about Green.
No offense taken, but I thought I would stick up for myself. I do appreciate you backpedaling for the overall good. Thumbs up !!
Green is such a clown. I wanted him gone at the trading deadline when all the Durant to the Warriors was in the headlines.
Would’ve been Butler to the Suns, Greymond to the Suns and Durant to the Warriors and picks to the heat with Wiggins, etc.
Believe me as a basketball fan I just can’t stand his garbage. But I’m still a homer and a warrior fan but wow, there has to be another way, lol.
I can’t wait to see what he does tonight lol !!
But you’re probably right. I probably wrote something in his defense, but it definitely wasn’t for his karate chops or groin kicks !!
Last point sorry to labor this. But just this week I wrote that green should’ve received the second technical for yelling and profanity at the ref the last game.
Kick the guy out send him home. There’s no other way to treat a child and have them feel the pain. Or else he’ll just keep on doing what he does.
Stick to baseball, you know nothing about basketball. The warriors don’t win a single ring without Dray
Four rings what decade? He’s worn out his welcome. Stick to 2025.., the current day. A basketball fan would know the current temperature in SF.
And you know what, your abrasive comment says everything. That wasn’t a contribution to this thread. It was an attempt to disparage. Very nice agenda you have there.
Gary: this doesn’t feel like coddling this feels like Devers got called into the principals office. Also I can think of at least 5 athletes off the top of my head way more coddled than Devers.
Yes, called into the principals office. But spring training plus this attempt to make peace to me defines coddling. Just my 2 cents and I appreciate you providing yours.
Again that’s not coddling but to each their own. This didn’t have the tone of “making peace” more like everyone getting on the same page. I’m not trying to be proactive when I say this but even if those was coddling there are numerous cases of players being significantly more coddled than this by a wide margin. Perhaps you missed those cases.
I think the screaming kid in the aisle was from a couple generations ago because parents could actually say no then. Now, they just get what they want all the time so there’s no reason to cry and scream. Unless you’re devers of course
Tang – Luckily the days when management could crap all over employees is long gone.
You want a productive and valuable employee?
Keep him happy.
And how do you keep an employee happy?
Treat him with respect.
The culture in the Sox front office reminds me of the Buddy Leroux days …… not a good thing.
Personally, I’m thinking Henry should have said something like, “We are trying to run a professional baseball team here in Boston, not a daycare for multi millionaires”
Spot on!
Reading between the lines, I feel like they flew out to tell him this is not how you should handle these issues. I’m sure they smoothed it over by letting him stay at DH for now, but they couldn’t have been happy with the blatant disrespect.
Tang – Putting aside your hatred of Devers, ownership flying out to KC certainly isn’t a good look for Cora or Breslow.
Ownership should never need to get involved in player personnel issues, having to clean up the messes of those below him.
But Red Sox Nation knew already Breslow is still inexperienced and Cora still sucks as a manager. Add to that Cora has more clout than Breslow, and it’s a recipe for disaster.
Only a matter of time before the next Red Sox player drama unfolds.
John Henry asked Devers what he should get his assistant for her birthday.
A bowling ball for all he cares
Raffy gotta stop being a little b*tch and do what’s needed for the team. That being said, I don’t even think he’d be good a first. I’d ask Trevor Story to move over and call up Mayer.
Wait, that could actually be a pretty good solution
I’m sure the situation is patched up nicely now that Skeletor has made his appearance..
Mango – I kinda see John Henry as Creepy Thin Man from the Charlie’s Angels movie.
I don’t see his point. Anybody who gets a job is subject to doing what the owners and management tell them to do. He is acting like a baby. I would have an issue with him as a teammate; you do what is best for the team, and you do your best to win games.
I understand and respect Devers position, but whining to the press is not the way to go about it.
Red Sox fans seem to love to hate on Henry but him flying to talk man to man with Devers shows he is engaged.
This team is too good on paper to be having these distractions. If they can squash it and move forward they’ll be stronger for it.
He didn’t whine to the press, they asked him a question and he answered it
Inappropriately
Tang – Speaking the truth is never inappropriate.
And as you already know but keep ignoring, Cora instructed Devers to be candid and transparent.
Cora is s terrible manager. I don’t care what he told devers. You don’t air dirty laundry in the public eye. There is nothing you can say that justifies how he went about this.
Tang – I agree Devers shouldn’t have said “I don’t know why Breslow has a problem with me” and shouldn’t have said “he should do his job”.
Other than that, if I’m an employee and my boss tells me to do something like speak to the media and be transparent, I’m gonna speak to the media and be transparent.
Devers didn’t want to speak to the media, that’s why he ignored them for so long. He knew better than Cora.
You don’t air your dirty laundry in the press. You just don’t Ever do that.
This guy needs to be benched for about a month to adjust his attitude.
That would be the absolutely wrong thing to do. Ridiculous and does neither the team nor the player any good.
Gary – I would bet anything Wiff was talking about Pinky Higgins needing to suspend Ted Williams. Sometimes people have flashbacks, ya know?
As time goes by I’m *almost* growing to like the ludicrous idea some other posters had here of throwing devers on waivers and sending him to aaa.
Three outcomes:
1) another team absorbs his full salary
2) nobody takes him and he refuses the assignment, forfeiting the contract
3) he wants his money and learns some humility in AAA where you assign him to play 1B
With the log jam Boston has, none of those are really bad outcomes, especially freeing up 30m a year. Makes it easier to rebuild value in yoshida hitting at DH, or, bringing Anthony up to rotate a 4 man OF
2 and 3 save you no money as he is under guaranteed contract and gets his money whether he is in the majors or minors or chucking peanuts to the fans.
2 means he goes to another team while the red sox pays him to do it minus league minimum
3 i dont think will matter to him based on how he brought this out in the media and you lose a big bat in the lineup.
False.
If he’s claimed on waivers, the claiming team assumes full salary.
If devers refuses the optional assignment he forfeits full salary, the contract is voided and he becomes a FA.
Only by accepting an assignment to AAA do the sox pay anything, and, there he can learn 1B then be recalled.
The only time a team keeps paying and a new team pays prorated league minimum is if you outright release the player. If you try to option him to aaa and he refuses, he loses everything. Read the rules a little closer.
You need to look up what guaranteed contracts mean for MLB. Don’t you think the yankees would have released stroman if it was that easy or how about aaron hicks who was released by the yankees and beat them up when he went to the orioles.
He is not arbitration eligible and has no option at minimum due to service time and thats before the GUARANTEED contract so none of 2 or 3 would apply to his salary excluding league minimum. Also he would also have to accept the optional assignment which he wont because then he could go play anywhere he wants including the yankees (that could definitely use a league minimum 3b even bad one) to stick it to the sox because of this.
Go read closer. Every mlb contract is guaranteed.
Veterans beyond 5 years are optioned to aaa all the time. The only thing you’ve got right so far is that it requires consent.
BUT if the veteran does not consent, that veteran has the right to elect free agency and forfeit his contract.
The goal is to either see devers leave for another team of devers’ choice, choosing to be a FA instead while forfeiting the salary, or, be in aaa learning to play 1b. If another team wants to claim the whole contract so be it.
You’re focused, in error, on the concept of release. Nowhere did I propose releasing devers unilaterally. Many times a team simply doesn’t want the guy in any capacity (cite to hosmer for example) and cuts their losses via release.
You are proposing an option to the minors which after 5 years of service time does not apply. After 5 years of service time or using up optional years you must be DFA to remove from even active roster. I would like you to point out one example of someone on 5 years of service time and on a guaranteed contract got “optioned” and upon refusing lost his salary. Because “Veterans beyond 5 years are optioned to aaa all the time.” so shouldnt be hard to find.
Also not all mlb contracts are guaranteed just look up JD Davis and giants as an example.
If he’s in AAA his salary doesn’t count toward the tax, because he’s not on the 40-man.
@bright
they changed that a few years back in a recent CBA. Its why was it moncada or castillo (i always get those two confused) never saw the light of day with the sox.
I think Devers will pass through waivers. No one will take that contract.
However, if he refuses the assignment to AAA he cannot be sent there unless the team still has minor league options on him. I don’t know, but I suspect that they don’t.
he would have to be DFA to be taken off the 40 man which unless claimed or traded by another team they would 100% be counting against the sox’s tax number
Heck Eric Hosmer is still being paid and is hitting the cap and he isnt on the 40 man and hasnt played in about 2 years this month.
@Bright Side:
You can be on the 40-man and be in AAA (or any level for that matter). Some players have what’s called a 2way contract where they get paid $X in the majors and $Y in the minors.
Devers has a MLB contract. Doesn’t matter if he’s a Red Sock or a WooSock, he is paid his contract.
rockies – Exactly!
The only player I can think of who agreed to be optioned despite a large guaranteed salary remaining was Jose Abreu with the Astros last year. He had $39M remaining on his contract when he went down. Obviously not even close to what Raffy is still owed however.
@FPG
i completely forgot about Abreu. Wow what a free fall in his career. Its kinda funny that his last season as a white sox was the last season they did not have a losing record. I wonder if they hire him back to just be a pinch hitter ala julio franco and the mets would they start winning again. Doubt it but would be interesting.
Also correct me if im wrong, but arent the Astros still got one more year of paying his contract and its still hitting the tax.
Fly – Yes, this is the final year of Abreu’s 3-year contract. Astros are on the hook for $19.5M this year.
Dontrelle Willis and Jeff Francouer also come to mind
I really want to agree because he deserves it, but unfortunately if he’s here for another 8 years, that won’t be a tenable relationship.
lmao Sure thing, slugger!
Red Sox have a plethora of FA first base options. Cue up the video of Dom Smith seamlessly helping the RS while Casas delt with his rib injury.
Not Raffy’s job to run the front office. Breslow should have been on the phone before Casas reached the hospital.
Dude, I’m paid to hit, Not solve your poor roster construction.
Though you have an opinion opposed to mine, these are very valid points. I would be on board with this if it shakes out this way. No problem.
Find a first baseman from outside the organization if you don’t have a suitable replacement in house.
I mean is it really such a crazy thought that maybe he should have had a decent first base backup considering how many injuries Casas has had in such a short time?
The crazy thing is that they didn’t have Devers play some first base in spring training. That’s the obvious guy to play there if Casas goes down.
Because Cora doesn’t have the balls to actually tell a player what to do.
he was paid very well to be a capable third baseman with a good bat to be the face of the franchise but he has only done one to this point. They gave him every opportunity to be a capable third baseman had to move him off third because he is definitely not one. A DH only player does not make 30M a year unless you are also a pitcher. They also expected growth as pretty much every job does especially when they hire someone young. IMO and probably managements perspective he has not done either. At best he has maintained but the strikeouts and average have dropped off since he signed the contract. So no he is not doing his job either.
Your right it is the front office’s job to run the TEAM its not the Boston Devers. Which for the team you explore all options to improve the team and there should be no problem with asking someone to improve the team or taking on a project in any business. The player also have the right to say no but to complain about a question shows immaturity for someone that is the face of the franchise. If they forced him to play there is another question which to this point they have not.
I guess the question should be if he is not doing his job and had to bring in someone to do it does that mean they should be allowed to take back a portion of his salary?
I love this take. I don’t totally agree with it, but it’s really concise and well phrased.
Too bad, Devers is limited to DH these days, the Sox could have used an extra arm last instead of bringing Newcomb in.
They’re limited to how many pitchers they can carry. Pretty sure they’re at their limit
Really interesting situation in Boston. Options to move to 1B IMO: Devers, Story, Yoshida.
For Devers, there’s his attitude as an obstacle; for Story, there’s his lack of offense, and with Yoshida, there’s his arm health and availability.
Devers would be the best choice, but navigating it will be a huge pain. In any event, he needs to start taking grounders ASAP.
They asked him to put away his 3B glove, but they didn’t say anything about getting a first baseman’s mitt.
bb – Friday pre-game they asked Story if he was approached about playing first base, he laughed and said no. I think that’s your answer.
And he’s always been a streaky hitter, he will go on another streak ala JBJ.
There’re a lot of guys they could move there, but none make more sense than devers. You also have Wong, abreu and Campbell that could in theory play first.
Tang – Agreed, Raffy should be the first baseman. He was identified as a first baseman going all the way back to his days in the minors.
And plenty of former players have said he’d be great at first base.
What a mess.
Look……
The Red Sox FO gave Devers that ridiculous contract knowing what sort of person he is, and told him he’d continue at 3B in spite of the fact that he was a terrible 3B. For a contract that size the owner obviously had to sign off on it. Then they dumped to FO head.
This year they went out and brought in a FA to play 3B. OK. Told Devers he’d be a DH. OK. Then their 1B got hurt and because they’re stuck with an OF on another large contract that can hit but can’t play the field, they want Devers to “try” 1B”…..which is destined to be yet an even bigger disaster!…..so the OF can DH some.
LOL
One thing to say about John Henry’s ownership: It’s perfect for the Boston media. No one employed by the organization know what’s going on from day to day, and the media gets lots of clicks…been going on for over a decade now.
P.S. Devers knows he can’t play 1B.
I am all for $300+m deals for players. I’m also all for players fulfilling their contract which would include playing the position their told to play.
Right, a mega contract is not a free pass
I hope one of the things JH said to Devers is you don’t call out your boss in public.I also believe
Cora doesn’t want Devers at 1st because then
hopefully Roman Anthony comes up and Rafaela
plays only against Lefties.Cora wants Rafaela in there all the time and the same for Story no matter how bad they hit.
A MLB player with a guaranteed contract is about the only person who can call out their boss publicly with little to no repercussions.
There are repercussions but if your a man, it doesn’t matter what anyone says.
If Anthony was a first baseman, he’d be in the majors right now.
The crack Red Sox ownership and FO should think about trading Devers to the Browns for Deshaun Watson.
It’s tough to rationalize Devers saying “it’s not my fault your roster is built like this” when most of the log jam exists because he was extended rather than traded, and flat-out sucks at 3B.
bass – Let’s get real, the logjam was created by signing Bregman.
If they hadn’t, Mayer would have been promoted already.
Ohhhhhhh, busted! Go to the principal’s office, champ!!!
Xander back to the Sox for Devers and cash? Crazier things have happened (i.e., Luka Doncic)
In principle it could absolutely work… but binding up the DH spot for years and losing a starting SS doesn’t seem to equate. Idk, but like you said, crazier things have happened!
Why not bring up Leo and bat him 9th? He’s gonna Crack the club next season anyway, and we already know the kid can field the position
Agree re the DH conundrum, but I bet Devers would consider 1B in the off-season per his latest comments. Plus him batting 5th in this lineup would be filthy
“Too soon” on Leo. I suspect he and Salas will be counted on sooner rather than later, but it still has the feeling of too soon. Raffy hitting 4th/5th would be sweeeeeettttt, not doubt!
Tatis
Arraez
Manny
Raffy
Merrill
Croney
LF
Leo
C
LOOKS NIIICEEEE
I don’t know that cash would enter into it. Bogey’s contract has a ton of dead money on the backend where he likely won’t even be a serviceable player at his age.
The one good thing about devers’ deal is plenty of dhs can hit through age 36
Devers has the less onerous contract but his contract still sucks.
GaSox – I totally agree here!
In about 5 years Raffy will likely be a better bargain than several players such as Vlad, Soto, etc.
You’ll never have to worry about Raffy working out too much and blowing out his elbows like Stanton. LOL!!
As a Sox fan, I rather have Arraez and bullpen help for devers and cash
@.@
Call us back, B! We got what you want. Haha
Trade him
Miami
Athletics
Colorado
Really just get rid of the headache let him go be happy elsewhere
I don’t think anyone wants that contract at face value. Maybe before he showed himself as a prima Donna and potential clubhouse cancer
The contract is certainly an obstacle, however, Raffie’s attitude over all this isn’t helping either.
Did the Red Sox know about his poor defense in the minors, too? I can’t imagine then investing in him and bringing him up through the minors with poor defense and then crying about how they need him to not play the field due to his defense and now they are crying for him to be on the field. Sox are a completely mismanaged team from top down.
York – from the time devers was drafted he was a bat-only guy that was always projected as unable to stay at 3b, and, possibly a 1b, but eventually a dh only. Early scouting reports said that as well.
They found a place to hide his bat, and, Bloom was more focused on his soft tanking to build the farm that winning was never his priority. He let the situation fester by leaving Raffy where he never belonged, where most others GMs would be looking for actual solutions.
@GASoxFan
Thank you.
GaSox – I agree with your take on Bloom to a point. Yes he could have acquired a 3B for 2023 instead of having Turner DH, but from 2020-2022 there was no reasonable way to put Raffy at DH like you wanted. JDM was the DH those years and his salary was sizable.
York..does it matter?..hes a ball player who is already secure why not just try if asked?
York – Excellent post, I totally agree about the complete mismanagement of Raffy Devers.
Here is a fantastic video including a detailed explanation of how Raffy was viewed and handled coming up in the minors, start at the 8:30 mark
youtube.com/watch?v=1E0cAVLVbOE
Summarized:
Identified by scouts as a first baseman when he signed out of the D.R.
Red Sox wanted him to be a 3B, never allowed him to even take ground balls at any other position but 3B throughout his time in the minors
Raffy wanted to be a 3B and worked very hard at the position
However throughout the minors they always speculated he’d be a 1B
I can somewhat understand devers. The sox signed another third baseman and moved him off third against his will and now he gets asked to be moved again. That is not a great situation for him.
I would also say this is not comparable to what mookie did since mookie got put in another premium defense position and didn’t get told throw your glove away, we only need your bat.
However this still is a very messy situation. For the team it clearly would be best if devers would move to first as this would solve several problems:
1) fill out first base with a competent player. This is big because in this part of the season the alternatives to fill first base are very limited. You can either sign a washed up old guy like rizzo or trade for a mediocre second division first baseman like Josh bell, both are not very appealing alternatives
2) by moving devers to first you open up DH and with some more shuffling probably also an outfield spot for your top prospect roman Anthony.
3) it also clears up the yoshida issue when he comes back
So for the team it definitely would be best if devers goes to first.
Henry talking with him is not a great situation either because with this Henry signals that he doesn’t trust breslow and Cora to handle that on their own.
So overall a very messy situation for the sox.
Actually, Henry sort of had to get involved at some point.
The root of this circles back to the Bloom/Cora/Henry discussions and representations when Devers was extended.
Breslow had zero role in that.
Absent whatever devers was led to believe about 3B, but, which was curiously *NOT* part of his actual contract, i don’t think the issue would be as complicated as it is
So it only makes sense that the remaining parties who were involved in creating that root conflict clear up what they said, what they meant, and, anything that was misunderstood or lost in translation
The guys getting 27 million dollars this year to help the Red Sox win games. More than 95% of his countrymen make combined. He should be grateful and help however he can. If they asked him to sell beers in the stands, he should.
They give him a lot of money I think he can take some reps at first.
Here’s an idea: why can’t Bregman be at first and leave Devers at third?
Because devers is the leagues worst 3B
Trade him to the A’s and really send a message
Get Trump to deport him for being a gang member so he gets stuck in the DR., can’t fulfill his contract, and Sox don’t have to pay him🤣
Devers has some issues in his life right now. Pro ball players don’t do this. My guess is that he was hurt by the signing of Bregman and that’s what is manifesting now. This is his chance to hit back against the organization.
And, since it shows his contempt for the organization, I think they probably need to trade him to rid themselves of the drama. This won’t be over this season. It’ll continue to fester throughout the clubhouse.
The Sox have enough talent in the minors to trade for Nate Lowe right now.
Or…
Casas for Nate Lowe.
The Breslow quotes read just as unnerving as the Devers ones to me. The whole situation is weird.
There’s a world where devers signed his extension and said “i will only sign this if it guarantees me to be the 3b of the red sox the whole time” and it feels to me like there is some missing piece in here like that.
But, if that was the case… you put it in the contract. If you don’t, that’s between you and your agent, but not against the team
R.D. – it should be obvious to everyone that the question about where he was going to play in the field moving forward was discussed in his extension. What Chaim said at the time doesn’t mean anything and it was not a guarantee. But, the fact remains, that Devers camp wanted to talk about it.
The guy is not oblivious to the fact that he appeared near the bottom of fielding statistics and (probably) didn’t want to be embarrassed (he’s not the first egotistical athlete).
Devers has admitted to being stubborn. But Breslow has not tried to rachet down tge rhetoric at all with his recent “teammate” remarks
DEvers and cash to Philly for Bohm….will need to pay $15MM a year to Philly to pay down the contract. Red Sox get a more than capable option for 1B. Both need a change of scenery
Maybe if Philly throws Painter in otherwise why would the redsox do that deal
His feelings are hurt. They moved him off third for the new guy, that’s it. Massage his ego, not like a NFL player massage, massage just his ego. It’ll all workout
Notable players which have moved from 3B to 1B with no issues:
Jim Thome
Paul Molitor
George Brett
Chipper Jones
Freddie Freeman
Miguel Cabrera
Albert Pujols
Carlos Santana
Edwin Encarnación
Kevin Youkilis
Chris Davis
Vladdy
They’re paying him $30 million a year, which is ridiculous money. He should be happy to do whatever it takes to help the team win, period. If he’s so upset about getting bumped off third then he should be thrilled to have the chance to get back on the field at first. Should have never aired his grievances in public. For the Sox’s part, they probably should have had him continue to take reps at third and maybe at first too. Versatility is valuable. So yeah maybe they screwed up but at the end of the day this isn’t an unreasonable request.
Another 1 run loss yesterday…, I was so optimistic ( and still am to some degree) I feel like a child when their parents are fighting a lot) I really don’t want this to end in divorce!! It hasn’t been handled by either party very well.. so my whole take on this matter ( not that I have anything to offer is ) Did anyone see Brais pitched a scoreless inning in first rehab start and struck out 2 on May 7???
I bet you were hoping brais was around to come in last night then Olm!
Well….
I say put Yoshida at 1st base.He will want to play.He is out injured so he can work on ground balls.Either that or put Yoshida in the outfield and move an outfielder to 1st.Why pay a guy to not play.
What a clown show.
Like, bro, you’re being paid tens of millions of dollars a year to play a children’s game, but that doesn’t mean you get to act like a child too.
If I were the Red Sox I would say look, we’re not paying you $31 million a year to just DH. We’re sorry we signed Bergman a 3rd baseman who’s better defensively but if you can play 3rd you can play first. It offers positional flexibility and will help out the team. What’s keeping the Tigers with the best record in the AL (for now) is their players willingness to play multiple positions. Javy Baez looks like a natural in CF. Plus he’s hitting.. not sure if there’s a market for Devers if he continues to refuse to play in the field. $31 million is way too much to pay for a DH.
I am sure he will play 3b for someone else.
Where I think the sux may have messed up was not getting Raffy 3-3 starts at 3b this year when giving Bregman a day off or have him DH. ( besides rhe obvious of not having Raffy work at 1b in spring to back up Casas / emergency depth )
INSTEAD they said according to reports ” lose the glove, you a bat “
“Manny Ramirez Part 2” Ship disgruntled Devers to deep pocket Dodgers. Muncy is fading, and the red Sox Need Pitching…Maybe May and Phiilips in return?
This is a disaster with no one looking good.
I am not sure the Red Sox organization has the best record with handling players, when I was a kid they lost a few big names by missing a simple paperwork deadline, other examples mentioned above.
In what universe did anyone think the contract was a good idea in the first place? He was bad defensively in 2018 and has steadily gotten worse, but you keep playing him there, lock him to a long contract and pay him as a 3B. He probably can’t play 1B much better either.
As for Devers, this is entitlement. It isn’t like you signed the contract for lower DH money and are now asked to play 3B. Go play and stop crying. This isn’t a gig that you can swap into another one.
(For Yankees fans who have chimed in, what if the Captain had refused to switch positions when A Rod had been brought in as he should have been, for the good of the team, because he was a below avg defensive SS and A Rod was excellent defensively?)
No one looks good out of this and I don’t think he can stay there. If he does it will sink the Sox season. I see Devers being traded elsewhere (to DH) with the Sox eating at least half of the $.
Poor misunderstood Raffy getting his pity party. He’s making 30 plus million per year, he’s a great hitter but a poor defensive 3B. The team in order to improve signs a better defender at 3B and the most natural transition would be to move him to 1B. It was probably in the cards for his career anyway. But no, waaa waaa waaa. How childish.
Red Sox looked bad. Devers looks much worse and is coming off as a clubhouse cancer.
More will be known when we see Devers grab a first base mitt.
People can try and jump on raffys side in this all they want at the end of the day the fans matter the most and fans care about TEAM wins whatever it takes most red sox fans understand devers got paid and none care where he plays so long as he hits but when he comes out seemingly refusing to be open to playing anywhere to help.the team most fans will not support that…
Ohtani literally doesn’t play anywhere, maybe he should start helping his team.
LMFAO Henry hired Breslow and Cora to do a job. Part of their job is to communicate. Breslow and Cora are so Godawful at that that he had to do it himself.
Breslow’s CYA answer….. it’s his fault 100%.
Raffy for President.
Devers is not in the wrong at all here. He does exactly what he’s told. If they don’t like that trade him before Monday.
If he is doing what he is told to do, there is the answer to the problem here. Instead of asking him to play first base, TELL him to play first base.
He did do what was told. Next week he’s your catcher with no training on the position. He’s right I. His stance like it or not baseball. I’d tell breslow to put on a glove if I were devers today
Tell Devers to go over to the Dana Farber Hospital and sit in the waiting room for a half hour.Stop crying and realize you are very healthy being paid extremely well to play a kids game.MLB is not reality.
Bottom line is he’s a child. Word is that the clubhouse is not real happy with him though I don’t think anyone is going to say that out loud. He will play first eventually or he’ll be traded in the off season. I hope he kills it at the plate so other teams line up for him and the team can have a choice.
I’ll be the person to admit to enjoying seeing this blowup into a big ordeal over something so small
Make it sound like playing first base is just picking up a glove and fielding throws.
I hope he gives in and when he starts to mess up, especially against the Yankees, and Red Sox fans start busting a spleen I am going to come back here and LAUGH at all the Red Sox fans who demanded he make this move,
Go watch the Joey Votto video someone made called
This Is The Worst Defensive First Basemen in Baseball Today to get an idea what damage a bad first baseman to a team.
With the production we are getting from third base and the way Devers hits at Yankee stadium, throw in some cash and I’ll be more than happy to take Devers off your hands and Mookie Betts the Red Sox all over again.
Red Sox have a big problem here. Devers is a very good hitter who doesn’t do much else. He’s signed until he’s 36 at $30M a year. His fitness is questionable and his attitude is questionable at best.
Put it all together and it will be very hard to deal this guy unless they want to send along a lot of money and/or settle for a weak return.
They just have to hope he continues to hit and agrees to play some first base this year.
For the future, who know? Bregman will probably opt out and I assume that Casas will be back. So does Raffy bounce back over to third base in 2026? They’ve got a real mess on their hands.
If raffy hits like he can, he will be tradeable. His contract is already looking good after vlads deal. Devers is still young enough and some team would be willing to play him at 3b or somewhere else in the field. As long as he keeps hitting well this year, they could find a taker if they wanted to.
If bregman leaves town, the one thing that will not happen is a Devers return to 3B. Especially not after all this.
GaSox – Agreed, most likely Mayer would take over next year or maybe KC if he continues to suck at 2B. Story is another possibility.
Red Sox have a tremendous communication problem. Spring Training was the time for Breslow & Cora to be totally upfront with Devers about Bregman, DH & possibilities of him playing other positions.
Instead of their problems now being played out in front of the media & fans it’s on Henry, Breslow, Cora & Devers to solve quickly & quietly.
Henry flying all the way to Kansas City to have a face-to-face meeting gives the appearance that Henry may not be very happy with how Breslow & Cora have handled the problem.
Breslow & Cora may need to prepare themselves in case Henry decides to make personnel changes – whether it be firing Breslow, Cora or both – and trading their disgruntled player (Devers).
With 8 years left on Devers contract it may be difficult to get quality talent in return.
It may be easier to fire Breslow, Cora or both.
Bottom line, Red Sox have a major problem that must be dealt with.
They haven’t handled player interactions well in years. They should’ve told raffy in the off season that they wanted him to take reps at first and prepare for dh. Make it known then, that they were trying to add talent to help like HE asked for. He just cries when the help takes his position.
Tang – you’re 100% right. The day they were eliminated last Sept was the day they should’ve had the first conversation about this, not the week after they sign Bregman
They literally had a behind closed meeting earlier this week that Devers brought to the media…. not management. Pay attention.
You think this problem started earlier this week? That’s cute.
Devers, Story, Yoshida. Wow, the Red Sox do have a large number of highly negative-value contracts on their hands. Do the Yankees, Mets, Phillies, or Dodgers have more? Or fewer with more negative value?
Of course, it could be worse. Maybe the Rays can trade Wander Franco to the Red Sox for all of them. (Post acceptance back into the majors, if that does happen, which it probably won’t.)
Stanton, Cole although you can argue we got our moneys worth already, Judge in 2 years.
Maybe trade Devers to KC for Jac Caglianone, seems a fair trade
Some of you need to read about this situation before you actually jump on here. They had a meeting with Devers behind close doors…Devers brought that to the media earlier this week. The brass flies out to talk to him. Keep up .
Devers is an employee and the money is guaranteed. There are a lot of companies/industries/jobs where people are paid *very* well or at the top of the market for their industry, who get sidelined or made redunant or have their role diminished for one reason or another while still remaining employed and drawing a paycheck- sometimes a very very nice paycheck, as I mentioned before. It bruises the ego, it’s professionally frustrating- but that’s what the employer wants to do with your role and as long as the person being sidelined or diminished doesn’t go MIA (see: Yoenis Cespedes), they remain employed and their now oversized salary/hourly rate or whatever stays the same.
Whether it’s $30 an hour, $300,000 a year or $30 million a year- just suck it up. It does suck. It’s depressing, embarrassing, disheartening, etc. etc. but as long as the checks are still coming- just suck it the heck up…
Also yeah that was Devers’ *employers* reminding him that he’s getting the salary he gets because of them and as their *employee* if he’s told to go stand in a corner or if he’s mysteriously put on the I.L. and is disappeared out of the game while he continues to be paid his $31.3M a season, then he should just make his peace with that and do whatever they expect him to do as his job duties at that point.
Everyone involved in extending Devers contract should be fired IMHO.
You knew what you had, a hit only player that was a huge defensive risk, If the manager, and GM thought it was wise to ask him to play 1B they should be fired. It’s their job as executives to put together a competitive team. None of this should have happened because they didn’t have a viable alternative to Casas who sucked already before the injury. There are dozens of FAs available they could turn to.
I never understood their love affair with him. To me the crazy part is that he’s a lesser version of David Ortiz- that’s clearly his profile- and yet they’re paying him like he was Peak A-Rod.
His AAV and the number of guaranteed years never made sense, apart from the logoc of what player wouldn’t want 10 years/$300M+?
If I was a baseball player exploring an extension, I’d half jokingly ask for 20 years/$1.5B and see if they bite, but I’d still also understand my true market value (which, in his case, translates to between $17.5M and $25M a season through about age 34 or 35 at most)
They are paying hin the going rate for a slugger in his age group. They were probably hoping for a maturation process over the winter which clearly didn’t happen, because if it did we wouldn’t be having this discussion. If you told the Sox a year ago that they would sign Alex Bregman to play 3B Devers never gets extended
Very fair, very true, Rsox.
Rsox – Devers was extended two years ago. LOL!
It’s really quite simple, they tell Devers he’s got one season to improve his defense or he will likely lose his 3B job. That should have happened at least a year ago.
You’re right. Time flies doesn’t it…
Don’t care how good you hit. If you’re not a team player you shouldn’t get that contract. What a whiner, glad he’s on the Red Sox forever. Mlb contracts should have an out if the player becomes a donkey hole . lol.
Great to see the Redsox having issues.
I don’t want to be “that guy” but the conversation should have begun and ended with Henry reminding Devers who writes the checks and that he is an employee of the Boston Red Sox, not the other way around. If Devers doesn’t want to play 1B that’s fine, but don’t air it out through the media.
Devers playing First Base opens opportunities to get Yoshida back in the lineup sooner or to get Roman Anthony up to the big club. Maybe he doesn’t care, maybe Cora gave him that dopey “we’re making moves” line that he seemed to say to every player that got cut on “The Clubhouse”, i don’t know. Perhaps the Sox shouod ask Anthony to take some reps at 1B to fast track his debut
Rsox – I agree with Breslow, Merloni, Speier etc on Anthony ….. not a good idea to have a player make his MLB debut while simultaneously learning a brand new position.
Plus they don’t want Anthony getting enough PT to finish Top Two in ROY voting.
How incompetent does the GM and dugout manager have to be to not be able to communicate with their players? This reeks of dysfunction from top to bottom. The owner having to parlay with a player because the grievances can’t be mediated between middle management what a joke. It was already laughable that the GM had to get involved to begin with. This does not bode well for Cora. Either he doesn’t have the stones to lay down the law or perhaps even worse, he’s actually encouraging and defending Devers and protesting right BESIDES him in some sort of mutiny against upper management. Both scenarios are awful. At the end of the day if our hated rivals want to tear each other apart from the inside that’s on them. Still, in the spirit of competition get your S#!T together Boston! (Side note: that beard policy starting to make a lot of sense now and all of a sudden I wish they kept it)
It’s clearly a dance they are playing. These people are very capable, otherwise why did they get the job? It doesn’t mean they make good decisions, but it means they know how to control a situation, especially when they own the media coverage and their opponent is 28 year old young man with limited experience.
What I have to say about Devers and the Red Sox. Did the Red Sox do the same to Wade Boggs ? NO the MAN just let him lead the league in errors at 3B they didn’t push him to DH then tell him play a new position on the fly. Forget the Red Sox and their bad planning. No account fans always wanting to say what is best for someone
No, they just unceremoniously let him walk when his younger, cheaper replacement was ready
Mitch – Best of all, Boggs won two Gold Gloves with the Yankees at age 36-37.
If it’s about winning games Trevor Story should retire to help the team.
Trade Devers. Get what you can for him.
I always thought Devers was a good player and teammate. But this behavior is very selfish from my perspective. He should have volunteered to play ANY position. This does not reflect well on him. I think it’s time to think about moving him. I know his contract might be prohibitive but the Red Sox don’t this kind of silliness. Smacks of the Swayman debacle with the Bs. Stirring discontent is very unproductive.
Hand him a first baseman glove and tell him to get to work, the team needs him there.
take a guy off 3b which undoubtably so, tell him hes nothing but a DH.. A guy gets hurt and all of a sudden people are mad at devers for not playing first? How many comments has cora made saying devers will be nothing but a DH from now on? Boston created this mess but if im devers i play first to open up more avenues in the market for a trade
They will ride with Toro/Romy/Sogard until they feel that Yoshida is ready to DH or that Anthony/Mayer have a spot to play every day, then magically he will pick up a 1B mitt. Closer to the trade deadline as options materialize. Pure stupidity, but that’s what I think will happen.
Maybe the Red Sox wanted this to happen to trade him. Devers might be wanting out, Boston gets a decent return and sheds payroll. They banked on Devers saying no and the story would be public.
It’s makes a lot of sense. After all of this happened, they look innocent and fans wouldn’t get made at them if they did. It’s really hard to convince fans to allow you do things they would never want.
Shane!!!!….. come back.
Devers goes 4-4 against KC as DH. Sogard plays 1B. Did Henry, Breslow & Cora concede that Devers will continue being full-time DH? What drama happens next?
Red – If you’re taking bets, my bet for next drama is the second base situation.
Campbell has really struggled on both offense and defense, he’s 3-for-30 with zero extra-base hits and zero walks.
He was benched today in favor of Hamilton who has also been brutal, now batting .146 with an .409 OPS and he made an inexcusable error today.
Do they send KC down in favor of Mayer? Do they send Hamilton down in favor of Grissom? Do they move Story to 2B with Mayer taking over SS?
Did John Henry swing his hammer?
Hell no, he won’t go
Devers, Henry, Breslow and Cora
should go on The View and cry about it all there lol!
What is it with the Red Sox, all their drama, their lack of communications etc.
They are paying Devers 30M per year and they couldn’t talk with him and get an understanding before the signed Bregman?!
Ridiculous!
Agreed!
Hope it’s not the cubs as hoyer will trade half our farm to get this clubhouse cancer even though we have a huge hole at 3rd base.
Nicholas Castellanos is the only player I can think of that refused to move to 1B. In 1965, Reds Manager, Don Hefner asked Pete Rose to move to 3B. Rose refused and proceeded to mock Hefner until he lost the team and was fired.
Harry Heilmann, Ralph Kiner, Dave Kingman, Adam Dunn and Carlos Guillen are the players I can think of that tried but couldn’t make the move to 1B.
Rod Carew was a poor defensive 2B but instantly became a great defensive 1B. Bill Buckner, in spite of that one WS play, was a great defensive 1B too. Harmon Killebrew, Willie Stargell, Pete Rose, Ernie Banks, Stan Musial, Bryce Harper, Hank Aaron, Jim Thome, Darrell Evans, Dick Allen, Al Oliver, Willie Montanez, Jack Clark…
George Kelly, Mel Ott, Hank Greenberg, Tony Perez, Miguel Cabrera, Carl Yastrzemski, Wes Parker, Vic Power, Jackie Robinson, Harvey Kienn, Toby Harrah, Felipe Alou… Played where they were needed.
Garry – Derek Jeter refused to change position.
Also, I bet we don’t hear about half of what really happens in clubhouses. You think there hasn’t been another player that said “no”? Really?!?!?!
These guys are all egotists who don’t want to be embarrassed. The Sox embarrassed Devers and he had the sack to embarass Breslow.
In terms of the money, they’re independent subcontractors. And nobody, repeat nobody , is going to criticize a guy who is making a business decision.
This is hilarious! I know a lot of you people follow the sox and I cant believe you think he is getting traded, released or going to AAA. Not gona happen! With his bat in the line up they might be a playoff team….without no way. He’s obviously acting like a child here, but I don’t think he is all that stable to begin with but just stable enough to know that he’s not comfortable with change and that’s the case for a lot of people who have a routine. He knows Boston and if he struggles or fails at first base then all the people on here complaining about him will be the first to complain then also.
He is getting paid like 400 million less than Ohtani and Soto and around 200 million less than Vlad. (all paid for their Bats)…lets see who is still raking at the end of those contracts…..my money is on Devers as a DH.
Great comment.
Agree best comment ive read in a while