The Red Sox and Roman Anthony agreed to an eight-year extension worth at least $130MM in guaranteed money earlier this week, fully cementing the young star as a key part of the team’s future. The two sides had somewhat lightly discussed an extension prior to the season, as The Boston Globe’s Alex Speier writes that a “true back-and-forth about a framework” never happened, even after three different offers from the Sox shortened what started as “a considerable gap” in asking prices.
It seemed like the negotiations were going to be put on hold until after the season until chief baseball officer Craig Breslow contacted both Anthony and agent Mark Rodgers with a new offer on August 3. As Breslow explained to Speier and other reporters, the team felt free to revisit talks with the chaos of the trade deadline now in the past, with the caveat that they obviously wanted Anthony’s focus to remain on the field.
“The balance that we needed to strike was trying to aggressively extend Rome and recognizing how important he is to our 2025 team and also our future with not presenting or creating a distraction when this team is playing so well…[We were] very clear with Mark and Roman’s camp that we had no interest in allowing this to become a distraction, and that if we could work through this quickly, that would be great, and if not, that was also OK,” Breslow said.
The talks were restarted between the team, Rodgers, and two other Frontline Athlete Management agents. A couple of smaller details almost held up the proceedings entirely, but a deal was eventually reached. The end result was the eight-year commitment that might be worth another $70MM, depending on whether or not Anthony hits any of the many escalator clauses attached within his contract.
Anthony is the fifth different Red Sox player to sign an extension since Breslow took over the front office in October 2023, as the executive has made a point of locking up cornerstone players. Garrett Crochet was signed to a six-year, $170MM deal after being acquired from the White Sox this past offseason, and Boston has also signed homegrown youngsters Anthony, Ceddanne Rafaela, Kristian Campbell, and Brayan Bello to long-term deals.
These contracts are a testament to both upper management’s belief in this young talent and the depth of the Red Sox farm system. The pipeline isn’t even dry yet, as another intriguing prospect could still be called up to address the team’s need at first base. Jhostynxon Garcia has been a career outfielder in the minors but he is working out at the position at Triple-A. Worcester manager Chad Tracy said Garcia could potentially see some game action at first base within the next week.
“If that’s the only way we can speed him up, then we might have to do it,” Tracy told Speier. “We take into consideration, ultimately, if he makes a mistake and it’s costly, oh well, at least it’s not at Fenway….At the same time, you also don’t want to throw a player out there to the wolves who you feel like is not ready and have him standing out there with his shoulders down feeling like he’s costing the team.”
Hitting-wise, Garcia seems very ready for the Show, as he has batted .303/.370/.581 with 16 home runs over his first 262 Triple-A plate appearances. Given the crowded Red Sox outfield, a move to first base would allow “the Password” a much smoother path to the bigs before 2025 is over. The presence of Romy Gonzalez and Abraham Toro (Boston’s current first base platoon) would provide cover to help alleviate any pressure on Garcia, and his bat could be an intriguing x-factor for the Red Sox in the playoff race.
Along these same lines, starter prospect David Sandlin has been pitching out of the Worcester bullpen with an eye towards a possible relief role on the MLB roster. Sandlin has made only four appearances total at the Triple-A level, but if he looks good in his new assignment, the hard-throwing righty could be in line for another quick promotion up to the Show. Speier reports that Sandlin was a popular trade ask for rival teams heading into the deadline, speaking to how much interest the right-hander has generated due to both his pitching arsenal and his results in Double-A in 2025.
So… They got a lot of offers on Anthony and decided they had undervalued him and figured they better lock him up?
Probably not. But, maybe.
Definitely not.
aitstyw
You don’t, of course, know that
The Red Sox tried to extend Anthony before the season and recently restarted talks.
How do you “undervalue” the number one ranked minor-league player in all of baseball?
Possible. But very very probably not. Most likely, they felt they had seen enough at the MLB level to fully close the gap (perhaps and then some) between their pre-season offers and what his agents had been asking for. And that offer worked for Anthony’s side, and thus a deal was reached. Simple and sensible enough!
P.S. And let’s be honest here…it DOES make a ton of sense, no? As I Red Sox fan, I felt darn good about Anthony before the season, but certainly by the trade deadline I felt even better. A lot better. It’s one thing to show all the minor league promise you could hope for, but seeing his skills so nicely and so quickly translate to MLB adds a huge level of additional confidence.
I might be wrong, but doesn’t the article say that Sandlin was the one they got trade offers for? I don’t see anything about Anthony. Although article could have been edited.
No, on so many levels wrong, just no.
Sandlin was a good get for John Schreiber a while back. His stuff may play up out of the bullpen.
I like the idea of playing Garcia at First Base. If he can handle the position he could crack the big league roster next season as the OF is pretty crowded but First Base is a black hole that Casas may never be healthy enough to fill
What happened to Campbell at first?
Campbell has been playing a lot of 1B at AAA.
I think the hope was that he could learn it but I’m not sure they envision that as a long-term fit. Second Base still makes the most sense for him, at least to me.
With Anthony/Duran/Abreu/Rafaela all in the fold for the next several years the best way for everyone to be in the lineup and on the roster would be to have Garcia at 1B, Campbell at 2B, Marcelo may be the everyday 3B next season if Bregman opts-out (i don’t see the Sox giving him a lengthy big money extension) and trade Casas and Yoshida for whatever you can get. That puts the potential starting 9 as
C Carlos Narvaez
1B Jhostynxon Garcia
2B Kristian Campbell
3B Marcelo Mayer
SS Trevor Story
LF Jarren Duran/Roman Anthony
CF Ceddane Rafaela/Jarren Duran
RF Wilyer Abreu/Roman Anthony
DH Roman Anthony/whoever else on any given day
Rsox – I agree that long term 2B still makes the most sense for Campbell, and while he clearly had some issues at the position defensively in the majors, he got decent grades there as a prospect. Contrary to popular belief, defense can slump just much as hitting can.
Having said that, if Bregman doesn’t opt out or is extended, that gives you a SS/2B combo of Mayer and Story, which bumps Campbell to 1B kind of by default.
Tar – He’s hitting well at Woosta and comfortable at first base.
Campbell is really a 2b it wasn’t his defense (albeit not great) that got him sent down
The password is literally a perfect nickname for him I don’t even want to try to pronounce his name
Sad – It’s easy … Gar-SEE-ah.
Joe Stinson.
Fever, it’s Boston so it’s more like Gah-See-ah…
Rsox – Good point!
And 20 years ago it was Gah-SEE-er …… RIP Rem Dawg.
Indeed. But, Merloni is pretty close so there’s that
Rsox – I never really liked Millar as a player, but I enjoy when he does broadcasts with Loumer.
Yesterday Millar was trying to find a girlfriend for Roman …. too funny!
Fever – instinct says he works his way through friends of Lia.
GaSox – Maybe it’s just me, I don’t see what the hoopla is all about with her. LOL!
But you’re probably right, although he was already spotted in public with a potential future GF. I know women talk about his nose and personality, but I can think of 130 million reasons why that won’t matter to a whole lot of available gals ;O)
How does Roman Anthony have nearly 2.0 bWAR already? He has 16 doubles but only two HR and he doesn’t steal. His defense must be pushing a great deal of his value right now?
His OBP is currently 3rd highest in MLB. So … that’s why.
sample size? size matters
He’s walking at an 11.4% clip, leading to an .811 OPS.
Isoab
“He has 16 doubles but only two HR”
Trying hard not to make a “username checks out” joke
Damn.
Oh well
You left out literally the most important part of hitting on your analysis.
What’s that?
:points at Stevie:
“Stevie Steve
August 11, 2025
He gets on base”
OBP 25% better than league average
Yes, his ISO is average (3% above average) but he’s 28% better than the average hitter (128 wRC+) because he only makes an out about 60% of the time.
How does he get on base so much? He walks 64% more often than the average player
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…
Moneyball. Lol
I thought they were working Kristian Campbell out at first base to get him back to the Show? Did something go awry with that plan since now focusing on Password at first base? Is Campbell still not hitting?
Campbell seems tp be doing fine. He has been playing a lot of 1B at AAA and just had a 15 game hitting streak. This is a good recent article about Campbell:
nesn.com/2025/08/red-sox-brass-believe-strongly-in…
Evidently that’s not enough for the front office, as they seem to have found a better option for 1B.
I don’t think the issue is that they’re not pleased to see him showing signs of life, I think the point is that they realized they rushed him up to the bigs and don’t want to make the same mistake again. They’re going to be more meticulous this go-round to make sure he’s fully ready so that his next call up will be his last one.
How have they “found a better option?” Campbell is still getting a bunch of playing time at 1B in AAA, and Garcia hasn’t played an inning there yet.
They also have been playing Campbell at 2B any time he’s not at 1B, and they clearly see him playing at one of the two positions, so if they’re trying Garcia at 1B it’s just as likely to mean they still see Campbell as a 2B long term.
mainesox: Agreed that the Password is not an option for 1B until he plays some games there and shows he can handle it.
I see him as a potential option next year not this year.
Toro has no remaining options left to be sent to AAA. He would need to clear waivers (the Red Sox would probably loose him), so the Red Sox want to make sure Campbell gets a little extra time before promoting him again. Campbell should not have made Boston out of spring training as he had only 1 full season of minor league baseball out of college. IMO, Toro gets DFAed in the next 2 weeks in favor of Campbell…
As with the top comment in this section, I advise trusting the simple explanation: options are good!
Password wouldn’t be cracking the current Boston OF no matter what, but he might help before 2025 ends at 1B. So, give it a try, especially if he seems to be handling it well!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Is Campbell still not hitting?
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baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=cam…
No, nothing has gone awry, just trying to find a way to get everyone a roster spot I would say.
Since 7/19 Campbell has a 1.019 OPS, 4 HR, and 10 BBs to 15 Ks
Roman had another great game, he’s hitting like .360 with RISP. Dude is money.
Sox would be in first place if they hadn’t manipulated his service time.
Let’s hope May gets his act together, must win game tonight.
FPG
Anthony wRC+ by leverage
Low leverage – 129
Medium leverage – 134
High leverage – 81
fangraphs.com/players/roman-anthony/31812/splits?p…
He’s hit much worse in the most important situations.
No real reason to expect that to continue but, it’s hard to see how he’s been “money”
what’s funny is FPG complaining about the sox allegedly “manipulating service time” when they signed him to a massive extension that rendered that a moot point so obviously that service manipulation wasn’t really a thing.
acell
“obviously that service manipulation wasn’t really a thing”
That’s not true
As is, he would have been a free agent after the 2031 season and started arbitration after the 2028 season.
If he’d been called up to begin the season he would have been a free agent after the 2030 season and started arbitration after the 2027 season.
If he’d been called to to begin this season he would have started earning non-minimum money sooner.
By delaying that, the team took away some of his leverage. He was going to make less if he didn’t sign. Plus he’d reach free agency later meaning more chance of injury. Thus he had more incentive to sign then he would have if he’d started the season in the majors.
His earning power was less because he started the season late, and that’s reflected in a smaller contract.
FPG has to have something to complain about. If Dusty Baker, his favorite, was our manager, he’d still find ways to complain about the team.
Whatever you say, it’s still more in the player’s position to sign early. Roman didn’t have to sign it if he felt he was being taken advantage of.
CtD
“Whatever you say, it’s still more in the player’s position to sign early.”
What? I didn’t say anything about that.
I just pointed out that acell was wrong and starting the season in the minors absolutely made a difference in the how much money he would have made early in his career which all but certainly impacted his contract
Juan: what you’re saying isn’t completely true as you’re dealing in hypotheticals rather than facts and you’ve clearly missed my point. If the sox were so concerned with saving a few dollars and playing games with service time then why bother signing him to an extension period? As it stands the sox are paying a lot more over his pre-arbitration years .and most likely over the first two years of arbitration than they would have if they had just let things play out. That was my point, that the service time argument is useless one now that Anthony has signed an extension.
Also if you want to play the hypothetical game, you should have included the possibility that Anthony would finish in the top two of ROY voting which would have given him a full year of service time making him a free agent agent in 2030. The sox accounted for that in the contract extension hence the bonuses and incentives he’d receive for finishing top two in ROY and future bumps for MVP votes.
Juan: if you take into account the bonuses and incentives within the contract plus the fact that the Red Sox were willing to sign Anthony to a large extension, the whole they played the service game manipulation argument doesn’t hold up as Anthony is now making much more than he would have especially earlier in the contract compare to if he didn’t sign any extension.
acell
“you’re dealing in hypotheticals rather than facts”
It’s a fact that delaying his start restricted his earning power over his first 7 MLB seasons
“If the sox were so concerned with saving a few dollars and playing games with service time then why bother signing him to an extension period?”
To save more money. They would not sign him to an extension that GUARANTEED him.tens of millions of dollars if they didn’t think they would save money over going year to year. Would they?
“As it stands the sox are paying a lot more over his pre-arbitration years .and most likely over the first two years of arbitration than they would have if they had just let things play out.”
Sure. Something like that. And saving money on the free agent years. They are expecting the entire deal to cost them less.
“The sox accounted for that in the contract extension hence the bonuses and incentives he’d receive for finishing top two in ROY and future bumps for MVP votes”
Sure? And they are still expecting to save money. Right?
acell
“the whole they played the service game manipulation argument doesn’t hold up”
Yes. It does
“Anthony is now making much more than he would have especially earlier in the contract compare to if he didn’t sign any extension.”
No. He’s making more earlier in the contract and making less later in the contract and the Red Sox are paying less in total than they anticipated paying if they didn’t sign the extension.
Your argument fits for any player signing an early extension. It has little to do with service time. The facts are that the roster, with Devers, was full. Once they traded Devers, they had a spot, and called him up. You also ignore the benefits of playing in AAA. We will never know if he would have done this well without that added experience.
stymee
“Your argument ”
MY argument?
I’ve made no argument as to WHY they did it.
I’m only getting that because his service time was started late
1) it decreased his earning potential in his first, now, 7 years in MLB
2) that is certainly reflected in the contract that he signed.
Again you’re missing the point. If the sox were concerned about manipulating service time they wouldn’t have bothered signing him to an extension to begin with.
yes he is making more money earlier in his contract but that doesn’t change the fact that manipulating service has to do with his arbitration and free agent years If Anthony didn’t sign an extension. Yes the sox probably save money in the long run but the whole the team manipulating service time applies to players who aren’t signing extensions.
it would have decreased Anthony’s earning over the first seven years if he hadn’t signed an extension. Now he makes more earlier in his career. If the sox were so concerned about delaying his free agency and manipulating service time they wouldn’t have bothered signing him to an extension. that pays him more earlier on. They would have just gone year to year taken that extra year of control and let him walk.
acell
“the whole the team manipulating service time applies to players who aren’t signing extensions.”
It applies to players who sign extensions as well.
Since he’s locked into making less money, in his entire career really, but, especially over his first 7 years, then it decreases what the team has to offer to in an extension.
If one player is expected to make $130 million through arbitration and another is expected to make $160 million though arbitration, which would you expect to sign the larger extension?
Now, imagine it’s the same player.
Exact same thing
acell
“They would have just gone year to year taken that extra year of control and let him walk”
Says who?
“it would have decreased Anthony’s earning over the first seven years if he hadn’t signed an extension”
Right
So that means the extension would be for less.
Says who? basically every other team that pays the service time manipulation game.
if it decreases what teams have to offer in extension then why are players like Juan Soto, ohtani, max fried etc cashing in on free agency? I’m not pro team or owner by any means but if you look historically the teams that players have manipulated service do so with high level prospects/players who generally end up cashing in with big contracts. I figured that was implied. if the goal for the sox with Anthony was to add an extra year of control then it doesn’t make sense signing him to an extension.
acell
“basically every other team that pays the service time manipulation game.”
What?
Am I understanding correctly that your argument is that most players who get their service time manipulated don’t sign extensions?
“so that means the extension would be less”
I’ll offer up says who back to you for that one.
No what I’m saying is if the point of manipulating service time is to get an extra year of control. If you look at these extensions the majority cover free agent years (I guess that was implied perhaps it wasn’t) so if the sox plan was to manipulate his service to get an extra year of control why bother signing him to extension then.
acell
“if it decreases what teams have to offer in extension then why are players like Juan Soto, ohtani, max fried etc cashing in on free agency?”
What?
“if you look historically the teams that players have manipulated service do so with high level prospects/players who generally end up cashing in with big contracts”
They do it with better players, yes. Because worse players are more likely to bounce up and down between the majors and minors so their time doesn’t need to be manipulated.
“if the goal for the sox with Anthony was to add an extra year of control then it doesn’t make sense signing him to an extension.”
The goal for the team is always to get the most production for the smart smallest cost.
Getting most of an extra year at the minimum does that, yes
And since it does that, you can negotiate a smaller contract.
“if it decreases what teams have to offer in extension then why are players like Juan Soto, ohtani, max fried etc cashing in on free agency?”
What?
it’s a simple question.
“Getting most of an extra year at the minimum does that, yes”
Right so why bother handing out an extension if the goal was to extend control. it’s not just to avoid paying the players it’s also to add time to how long the team has them and getting production. Prioritize that however you want but once the extension is signed it doesn’t really matter what service time games the teams play.
acell
“if it decreases what teams have to offer in extension then why are players like Juan Soto, ohtani, max fried etc cashing in on free agency”
I still have no idea what you’re asking or what is has to do with anything.
Those players are getting huge free agent deals because they are excellent players who reached free agency
“once the extension is signed it doesn’t really matter what service time games the teams play.”
Before the extension is signed the player has to weigh going year to year or signing the extension.
If the value of going year to year is lessened, then the option to sign the extension looks better and the team can offer a smaller extension.
If the team wants to sign a player to an 8 year $130 million extension and the players other options are
6 years and $100 million + free agency
Or
7 years and $101 million + free agency
Which one makes the 8/$130 look better?
acell10 – even aside from the extension, they repeatedly said that they were working with him to get the ball in the air more in AAA and they wanted to see that before they called him up. And as anyone who watches the games can attest, that has been his biggest “weakness” since getting called up is he hits the ball extremely hard, but it has been almost exclusively ground balls and low line drives.
Juan – I appreciate the info!
Leverage and RISP are just two components of clutch/money, both of which have value.
One of the differences is Leverage being highly contingent on the inning and the score.
RISP is contingent only on whether there are runners on 2B and/or 3B, so it’s more concrete and not subject to interpretation like Leverage.
And RISP involves specifically advancing runners who are already in scoring position,
Here’s Roman’s RISP, although I think it hasn’t been updated from last night as BR is always updated later in the morning.
baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=antho…
.386 BA with a 1.114 OPS is about as good as it gets, far better than his teammates such as Rafaela who is batting only .245 with just a .682 OPS with RISP.
I’m so glad you don’t value RBI, as RISP is widely accepted as the superior clutch hitting stat.
FPG
Leverage is the superior clutch stat
A runner on second with two out in the ninth of a 5 run game isn’t as much of a clutch situation as leading off the 9th in a tie game.
BA with RISP gets it backwards
High-leverage gets it right
Juan – There is a different component of clutch/money that covers the situation you’ve described …. Late & Close, which can be found with that link I provided.
I respect your opinion though, everyone values things differently …. it’s one of the things that makes baseball fun to follow ;O)
FPG
“Close & Late”
C&L is better, yes
High-Leverage is still better.
Anthony C&L
.192/.300/.346 (91 OPS+)
He has not been “money” in clutch situations.
Juan – Funny thing, I had first typed it as “Close & Late”, and then I noticed BR had the opposite, so I changed it to “Late & Close”. Haha!
Baseball stats can be kooky ;O)
Either way
Clutch stats are always small sample size random fluctuation, so no reason to think it’s going to continue, but he hasn’t been good in the most important situations.
Those are indeed facts. However, having that much success in “medium leverage” situations should carry more weight. He bats at the top of the order, typically following the “worst” hitters. He sets up the “better” hitters to have more “low leverage” situations. Either way, the eye test says the guy is clutch.
Sean – Exactly! It’s really important to watch the games, because analytics often paint an inaccurate or incomplete picture without accounting for context.
And I can say with certainty Roman has been extremely clutch.
In fact, his walkoff hit 11 days ago made him the youngest Red Sox player to do so in 61 years!!!!
He is without question the top reason why the Sox have been winning so much since about a week after his promotion.
SP
“the eye test says the guy is clutch.”
LOL
How so?
And, what?
“He sets up the “better” hitters to have more “low leverage” situations”
FPG
“It’s really important to watch the games, because analytics often paint an inaccurate or incomplete picture without accounting for context.”
And the “eye test” is full of bias. Especially confirmation bias
“And I can say with certainty Roman has been extremely clutch.”
Then why does he fail more in the highest leverage spots?
Juan – The vast majority of baseball executives utilize a blend of analytics and eye test.
For instance do any of those analytics formulas you provided take into consideration the value of Roman driving up the pitch count?
To answer your question, it is quite common for players to perform worse in your definition of high leverage. Think about it, pitchers typically throw harder and bear down on the strike zone more in high leverage situations because more is at stake. And the best relievers are brought in fresh for the highest leverage situations.
That’s what so many people fail to realize. Pitchers are not robots who throw every pitch the exact same way in every situation. When Crochet is on the mound with the bases loaded, he’s gonna ramp up the velo and use a pitch mix that he may not have used yet in the game. There’s so many examples like that which aren’t reflected in analytics.
Really don’t understand what is confusing you. Also don’t see a reason to respond to your confusion. Watch more baseball kid.
FPG
“The vast majority of baseball executives utilize a blend of analytics and eye test.’
Maybe
They bland analytics and professional scouts
I do not believe that you are a professional scout.
I’ll ask again, what do you think that you see that completely contradicts the data?
“To answer your question, it is quite common for players to perform worse in your definition of high leverage.”
League average wRC+
Low 101
Med 101
High 92
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…
As a reminder, Anthony’s number
Low 124
Med 150
High 66
Anthony has hit better than the average hitter in low and medium leverage situations. Which makes sense, he’s a good hitter.
And MUCH WORSE than the average hitter in high leverage situations.
So far, Anthony has performed his worst in the most important situations
SP
“Really don’t understand what is confusing you”
What’s confusing to me is
HOW your comment fits into a conversation about whether or not Anthony has performed in money/clutch/high-leverage situations. It seems completely unrelated to that conversation.
I was giving you a chance to show that your comment was somehow relevant to the topic being discussed. Is your comment at all related to how Anthony has performed in money/clutch/high-leverage situations?
I did not disagree with the stats you provided. I disagree with writing him off as not being “clutch” because in the 13ABs (13!) that qualify as “high leverage”, he’s hitting .200.
How many rallies has he started that resulted in the team coming back from down 2+ runs in the 4-7th innings that resulted in the team winning? Or games where him getting on base and subsequently scoring, broke games open? How many times did he jump all over a SP early in a game, deep in a count, that completely shook up the game from that point on? How many times has his walk or double been the turning point in a game because the guys behind him responded after little to no success early? I mean I can keep naming clutch moments that don’t qualify as “high leverage”. Moments that the eye can see, but the particular stat you are cherry picking with 15 total PA’s not taking into account?
Watch him play, he absolutely has an effect on the teams success more often than your stat even comes close to indicating.
Yes.
SP
“. I disagree with writing him off as not being “clutch” because in the 13ABs (13!) that qualify as “high leverage”, he’s hitting .200.”
Did I say he wasn’t clutch? If so, that was a mistake
I’ve tried to say that he hasn’t been clutch
I even said that I don’t expect it to continue.
“JuanUribeJazzHands
August 12, 2025
FPG
Anthony wRC+ by leverage
Low leverage – 129
Medium leverage – 134
High leverage – 81
fangraphs.com/players/roman-anthony/31812/splits?p…
He’s hit much worse in the most important situations.
No real reason to expect that to continue but, it’s hard to see how he’s been “money””
“How many rallies has he started that resulted in the team coming back from down 2+ runs in the 4-7th innings that resulted in the team winning?”
I don’t know. How many? You don’t know either. Nor do you know how many times he’s done any of those other things that you listed. And since you don’t know how many times he’s done it, you don’t know if he does it more or less than any other player.
SP
“Yes”
How so?
Zzz I knew I shouldn’t have engaged with you. What is your point then? I’ve accepted the stats you provided. The context in which they are formulated is flawed imo. You aren’t going to sway me with such a limited sample size of ABs that “qualify”. I trust the amount of games I’ve watched this year and the situational hitting I’ve seen him, in particular, succeed at. His ABs affect the game way more than his .200 average in high leverage situations indicates. I’ll happily revisit this when the sample size is worthy of this conversation. Until then I’ll trust the eye test. Good day sir.
I’d rather celebrate the monster night he’s having regardless of the classification of leverage situation. 🙂
SP
“I knew I shouldn’t have engaged with you”
Would have been better to have read what I actually wrote instead of arguing with the strawman in your head.
*You aren’t going to sway me with such a limited sample size of ABs that “qualify”.”
What do you think I’m trying to sway you of?
FPG said he was “money” and posted his RISP numbers. I said hitting with RISP isn’t the same as clutch because not all RISP. Situations are clutch and not all clutch situations are RISP. Then I showed that in high-leverage situations, he’s struggled. But said that wasn’t likely to continue.
What do you disagree with?
I asked you some questions, why are you afraid to answer them? It’s it because you’re afraid to admit that you don’t know?
Well to be honest I’ve gotta go recalibrate the Trackman on site since we just left for an 11 game road trip and everyone’s cleared out… and I’ve gotta send some reports to Worcester and Salem, so no time to deep dive situational hitting (even tho I would love to!).
But more importantly, I said good day!
SP
“Well to be honest I’ve gotta go recalibrate the Trackman on site since we just left for an 11 game road trip and everyone’s cleared out… and I’ve gotta send some reports to Worcester and Salem, so no time to deep dive situational hitting (even tho I would love to!).”
A lot of words to say “You’re right. I have no idea”
Sean – If not for the bad check swing call, he’d have 5 walks and a homer on the night!
They keep mentioning things he’s accomplishing that only Ted had accomplished, what a special kid he is. I pray he stays healthy, if he does he’s definitely a potential HOF’er.
Such a pleasure getting to watch him every night!
Incredible game! All around. It wasn’t quite on the same level as Nick Kurtz’s game a couple weeks ago but holy smokes! Gotta go down as one of the best games of the year for any player at the plate! Absolutely zero “high leverage” situations but the fact that he just refused to not get on base, kept the team rolling and confident.
It would have been very Cora’esque to let May go out and get hammered for a couple meaningless runs in the 7th instead of letting the guy build off this pretty darn efficient start. So tip of the cap to Alex for recognizing that.
Side note, my home/away #19 jerseys just got dropped off on my desk as I am typing this. Couldn’t have been better timing 🙂 My only gripe is that they still haven’t let us know when his green monstah city connect will drop!
I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong. I’m wrong all the time. But in this case, you are confused. And that’s ok.
Sean – Awesome! Yeah i got my red alternate #19 jersey last month, it’s the first jersey I’ve bought in many years as my closet is so full of former players that it looks like ….. Jimmy Fallon’s closet in Fever Pitch!
I already had the #19 home jersey when I bought it for Beckett 20 years ago (I’m too young to have bought it for Freddie). It’s come in handy over the years, as Koji is probably my favorite closer of all time. Then JBJ gave me reason to wear it for a while.
No I did not wear it for Sean Newcomb or Pablo Reyes. LOL
SP
“you are confused’.
You’re the one arguing with yourself instead of reading and addressing what I actually said.
And I’m still waiting for the answers to these questions
“How many rallies has he started that resulted in the team coming back from down 2+ runs in the 4-7th innings that resulted in the team winning? Or games where him getting on base and subsequently scoring, broke games open? How many times did he jump all over a SP early in a game, deep in a count, that completely shook up the game from that point on? How many times has his walk or double been the turning point in a game because the guys behind him responded after little to no success early? ”
I’ll be waiting forever of course. Because you have no idea. And since you have no idea, you have no idea this happens more or less for the Red Sox than any other team. In other words – it’s useless bunk.
My Beckett jersey fell apart decades ago lol. I actually wasn’t convinced he was going to stick with #19 even after they had him ask Lynn. I had it in the back of my mind that Yoshida could be moved and he would sport #7.
The eye test by definition requires me to avoid using statistical data at all costs to maintain it’s historical integrity. So unfortunately for you, the wait will continue!
Sean – Well I’m glad you didn’t do what some people did … rush out and buy his #48 jersey!
The nice thing about the authentic home white jerseys is there’s no name. I had Papi’s home white jersey before he even joined the Sox, because I was a fan of Guapo. LOL
SP
“The eye test by definition requires me to avoid using statistical data at all costs to maintain it’s historical integrity’
We’re getting closer
So you don’t know how often he does this things and don’t have any idea if he does them more or less than other players? Correct?
FPG
Responding to a post yesterday concerning Bregman . Signing Bregman means having to trade Duran or Abreu???… I don’t see the correlation. I believe 1 of the outfielders will headline a trade for a pitcher, whether Bregman is here or not. Cora wants Rafaela in center full-time. Probably with Duran in left and Anthony in right. A Duran trade would change that up with Abreu in right and Anthony in left. If Bregman is not signed we have a big hole at 3rd and at the top of the batting order. I doubt we go into next season with 5 starting ofs including Yoshida. Someone is going to get moved.
cdc – If Bregman leaves, Mayer plays 3B and Rafaela plays 2B, therefore no outfielders need to be traded. Wouldn’t you say that’s a better scenario?
Sorry but I love my outfield guys (Roman, Abreu, Duran) and don’t want to see any of them leave. I think a package of Password and some other prospects is far more likely in a trade for a pitcher, because the other team will likely be in a rebuild and therefore will want younger players with more team control years.
The window to win begins next year, trading Abreu or Duran would be a huge mistake in relation to that window.
You’re still believing what Cora says? LMAO ….. he insisted Rafaela would play only in CF this year, remember? Never trust anything Cora says ;O)
I love Roman, but you hafta admit they’d lose a lot of defense in RF at Fenway if he replaced Abreu.
And getting back to a different topic you commented on yesterday, when you said the Sox would lose their 3rd straight last night … you jinxed them! LOL! I could have made a lot of money if I had bet on Houston after the 2nd inning.
As for Crochet, my hunch is the Astros got so pissed about the Sox stealing their signs that they decided to turn it around and steal Crochet’s signs ….. which is a best-case scenario compared to injury or fatigue.
A lot of teams are pissed about the Sox sign stealing … remember the Angels/Sox pregame skirmish with Huddy? That’s because Huddy has been going outside the coach’s box to steal signs, which is against the rules. So while I approve of the Sox stealing signs legally, I disapprove of them using illegal methods such as that.
Should be interesting as other teams around the league seek revenge on the Sox for the sign stealing.
FPG
I never said the Sox would lose .. you must have me confused with someone else. Anyways
Trusting Mayer to be an every day 3rdbaseman,he has yet to prove he can hit MLB pitching and as you have posted many times can stay healthy. He has been severely hurt every year of his professional career. I do think Mayer will be an above average player. I would rather have Rafaela in center , I believe Cora when he said the best center fieder in baseball is playing 2ndbase. Injuries change everything. If Mayer doesn’t get hurt ,I wonder how much 2nd Rafaela would be playing. I do believe the best Sox team has Rafaela in center.
cdc – If I recall correctly you were worried about them losing last night, while I definitely said the Sox would win easily ….. so you were right, and I was wrong …. I admit when I’m wrong! ;O)
Sounds like you want to dump Mayer instead of giving him a chance to play everyday next year and prove he can stay healthy? If I’m wrong please explain ;O)
Just a few months ago Cora said Devers was excellent defensively at third base last season, so does it surprise you he’d compliment Rafaela too?
We usually agree on most things, but on this we will have to agree to disagree …. you think the Sox next year are better with Duran or Abreu gone, and I don’t. Time will tell …
FPG
Definitely do not want to dump Mayer… Maybe Cora was just trying to instil some confidence in Devers. ie- a player wants to believe his manager has his back/ confidence in him / has his back…. what do you want him to say . Cora ,all managers will defend there own players..
I’m not giving up on this season but I agree with you that we ( the Sox) will be in a much better position next season. IMO. ( managements thinking)……………… With Bregman at 3rd and Rafaela in center. Probably promting a trade of either Duran ( I hope not) or Abreu for a top of the rotation starter.
1st Casas/ maybe J Garcia
2nd Mayer
SS Story
3rd Bregman
Rf Anthony
Cf Rafaela
Lf Duran
C Narvaez.
I usually don’t look this far ahead but ,why not
cdc – It’s always good to look ahead, and it’s not that far away …. the 2026 schedule will be coming out any day now.
You don’t have KC, what do you think happens to him? Rusney 2.0?
FPG
As I recall they never wanted Rusney on the roster because of the financial penalties. They wanted to sign the international 1stbaseman ?????
Good question about KC .. WEll you know things are going to happen so ,who knows…lol
Hopefully he forces there hand and maybe he’s the 1stbaseman… Casas may not be fully healed. Anyways…… Can May step up tonight?? We need a win…..
FPG
The team that scares me the most is Seattle,that team is strong, especially at home. They are my pick to represent the AL. I like the Phillies in the NL. Just throwing that out there……
cdc – Yes there’s one difference, Rusney didn’t count against the CBT …. that loophole has since been closed. LOL
Hopefully KC can figure it out in Woosta, his numbers are good but so were Dalbec’s, Franchy’s, etc. LOL
Definitely a MUST WIN tonight against a guy with an ERA over 7 ….. if they don’t win tonight, I’m afraid they will get swept tomorrow because of the pitching matchup.
cdc – I’m thinking it will be a Toronto/Seattle ALCS.
It would be cool if Seattle goes all the way, I like their fanbase and I think they are still one of the sports franchises with the most years to have never won a championship?
FPG
They have had some of the greatest players the MLB has ever seen.
Griffey jr, Randy Johnson, Ichiro,Felix. It may be there year.
I still can’t believe Cora uses Hicks , every time he pitches runs will cross the plate.
Their in a dam playoff race and that bonehead of a manager stills uses him. Just unreal
Sox – In this instance I have to defend Cora. He didn’t want Devers traded for Hicks, but Breslow made the trade and Hicks has about $29M left on his contract so he’s gonna be on the team. Any pitcher on the team will be used by Cora. Hicks had been better in low leverage situations, so that was the right time to use him with the Sox trailing by 3 runs. Who would have guessed the Astros would leave in THEIR worst reliever to give up a bunch of runs?
Remaining salary be damned, I am ready to give Hicks the Rusney Castillo treatment and mothball him at AAA. Dude has single handedly cost us multiple games even if you don’t put the full blame for last night on him (which I don’t either).
Dirty – They traded a future HOF’er for Hicks, and they owe him $29M, so it would behoove them to give him every chance to figure it out …. even though I agree with you, the odds are against him especially considering all the other teams that couldn’t fix him.
Think about all the players that people here wanted released ASAP and I’m talking just this season …
Devers
Yoshida
Story
Buehler
Giolito
And now Hicks
Add up the remaining amounts on their contracts, and the Sox would be eating a fortune!
All except Hicks ended up providing some value, and some have been downright awesome (Story, Giolito). while the Giants happily took on Raffy’s salary.
There’s a reason why the Sox don’t rush to get rid of players like they do with CBO’s ;O)
That’s a great point, we definitely can’t eat every bad contract. To also be fair I think the popular targets of this noise have shifted based on it becoming clear the team just isn’t going to do it with certain guys, like with Story and Yoshida. And Giolito to his credit has held up far better than I ever expected him to, to the point it would be stupid to move on from him midseason.
Story is a good example, I had been among those earlier who were hoping they’d bite the bullet and move on, but he has actually turned out to be healthy and reasonably productive so I can accept that he is going to be here to stay for the last 2 years of his deal. If they were going to dump him it would’ve happened already, I’m not deluded enough to not see that.
I still think they’re going to have to move on from Yoshida this offseason, there are just too many proverbial mouths to feed with better, younger players. The complicating factor is the way he has been hitting is not going to make it easier to find a trade partner. If we are being fair I get that it’s likely more reflective of rust from the long time away than it is to do with him just losing the ability to hit, but the business side of the game often isn’t fair and fact is teams won’t be as excited to trade for a guy owed money who is struggling as they would be to trade for a guy who is raking. Oh well.
But that’s where on the other hand, clearly most of those guys are here to stay at least through the end of the year if not longer, and they got someone to take the entire Devers contract off their hands, I think they are in position to admit that one of Hicks or Buehler just is not working and can’t keep being sent out there to lose games for us. I would rather watch Fitts go every 5 days and take his lumps. And I wanted Buehler to work out as much as if not more than anyone, I was always a fan of his when he was with the Dodgers and thought it was going to be a great signing for us.
They traded a future what now?
Dirty – I think with Story it was simply a case of him basically not playing during the prior 3 seasons, so he needed time to kinda start over and get back to where he was in 2021.
I think Yoshida will continue to rebuild value enough for him to get traded this offseason, with either part of his contract being eaten or the Sox taking on a bad contract in return or the Sox attaching a prospect with him.
Much was made about Buehler attending a pitching lab in Atlanta during All-Star break, he’s had mixed results since then. I think with any 5-ERA pitcher he’s gonna have good games and bad games, a lot of his issues are mental not physical.
FPG
Future H.o Famer. ???? Wow … Slow down. That is presuming a ton….. you are talking about a player who has NEVER finished in the top 10 in MVP voting ,who is currently hitting .231 for his team. HoF. Easy. I don’t think anyone projects that contract to age well. He has yet to prove he can handle 1stbase. I don’t see it .
Devers will never make the HoF
cdc – Of course health will be a huge determining factor, he would need to stay relatively healthy. But with the way he’s elevated his hitting the past couple years, plus the fact he’s potentially the fulltime first baseman next year, gives Red Sox Nation the belief he can indeed make the HOF.
Since 2019 among all MLB players (min 4K PA’s) he’s 5th in WAR and 6th in wRC and 3rd in OPS behind only Soto and Freeman. So he has indeed dominated over a long period of time despite the injuries.
He’s also on pace for well over 500 HR’s and BR has the comparison of similar players at Raffy’s age to include Rolen, Beltre and Santo …. all HOF’ers.
You know his BA with the Giants has been negatively impacted by three things, right?
1) Learning first base
2) Groin injury
3) Back injury
I mean if you’re gonna use only his most recent 207 PA’s to project his production for the next 10-12 years, I don’t know what to tell ya! LOL!!
BTW – Mookie has just a .682 OPS in 481 PA’s this year …. you think he’s done too?
swan – Get back to me in 17 years ;O)
Never is definitely a strong word. Yes being defensively limited works against him, but if he clears 500 HR’s that has been basically an automatic qualifier for everyone but those connected to steroid use.
Of course, there is a long way to go which means there is just as much time for him to fall off track as there is for him to solidify his case, and I understand those who are skeptical his body will age well (I don’t think it will myself, but nobody knows). But pegging his chances at never is pretty nuts considering he is 28 years old and 45% of the way towards a milestone that would assure he gets in.
Dirty – You think the Raffy-hate will ever end? LOL!
Last night I had the misfortune of listening to Will Phlegm and his partner during the game. Phlegm went on and on about how “dumb” the Houston fans were for booing Bregman. He couldn’t understand why they would.
Incredibly he failed to realize Bregman rejected a very generous offer that the Astros kept on the table until he signed with the Red Sox, and they were even willing to move Altuve if he signed.
So Phlegm doesn’t realize when a longtime player leaves out of pure greed it’s gonna tick off the fanbase? Really? Houston fans have always been classy, they gave Bregman a nice ovation in his first PA. That was plenty, he’s the enemy to them now.
Can’t wait to hear what Phlegm says next year when Raffy returns to Fenway ….. if he’s booed, will Phlegm try to defend Raffy the same way he tried to defend Bregman last night? Extremely doubtful.
Some people just love to carry a grudge with them, man, it’s crazy.
Dirty – Yeah there’s a specific term for it, I remember back in college.
For example when the Sox had won 10 games in a row, some Sox “fans” were instead focusing their time and energy on what the Giants and Raffy were doing. I mean really? The Sox winning 10 straight isn’t enough to make you happy? It’s just so twisted.
Dirty – Brand new quote from Yaz on Raffy, this will set off some people even more. LOL
nesn.com/2025/08/rafael-devers-praised-by-ex-teamm…
“He was the best, man,” Yastrzemski said. “Awesome teammate, willing to do whatever he had to. I think he just got thrown into a weird circumstance (in Boston) and, you know, I think sometimes as players, you have to stick up for yourself. And I think that’s what he tried to do.”
“And I think the wording of it was delivered poorly because he’s an awesome teammate,” Yastrzemski continued. “He works his tail off, he tries to help everybody. … He’s really smart, and he cares about winning so much, so I don’t understand where all the heat came from.”
“If you’re facing a guy that he’s faced, and you haven’t faced him … (he provides a) full scouting report, where you want to look for the ball, what pitch you want to hit, how he’s gonna pitch you.”
You have no idea how people are spending their time and are making things up again.
Oh yeah, that’s sure to ruffle up some feathers. And all this over a guy who I can’t recall ever hearing one negative thing about prior to 2025, in terms of who he is as a person. It’s sad that you probably know exactly where it’s coming from. Seems everyone who leaves Boston gets trashed on their way out the door, usually by Henry’s media outlets. Just a coincidence, I’m sure. /s
Dirty – Well they started false negative rumors about two of the nicest most popular guys in MLB, Xander and Mookie, so it should be no surprise they did the same with Raffy.
And you’re right, not one incident in 12 years. No temper tantrums, no verbal or physical altercations, nothing inappropriate said, always played hard and often while injured and in pain.
He was known as simply a quiet, humorous, fun-loving sociable guy. Xander was like a father figure to him.
But yeah mark my words, someone on the current roster will get the Raffy treatment eventually ….. there always is.
FPG
If Mookie had to retire right now he would walk into the H.o.F. I just don’t see Devers being able to maintain or go above his current status as a performer. Not with his body type that will lead into #2 and # 3 injury. Mookie is twice the player Devers could hope to be. 10 to 12 years of massive
production ?? You kidding me… No way. Unless steroids were in play no player has ever continued with above average production after the age of 36/37 ,all go down hill. C’mon, he’s good , but not that good…..
cdc – I’m glad you see now that Raffy’s small sample size with SF is meaningless.
Okay I won’t present anymore statistics since they don’t matter to you. LOL
So you’re saying guys like Papi, Beltre, Edgar Martinez, Galarraga, Larry Walker, Henry Aaron, Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Tris Speaker ….. all were on steroids for their Age 37 season? Well alrighty then!
FPG
There are many more examples of players trending down hill after age 37 /38 I do love stats. I just don’t see a player built like Raffy being able to maintain . I could be wrong
Side note: you don’t think Papi did steroids???
cdc – That’s one thing that separates the great players from the not-so-great, they perform at a high level into their late 30’s.
Look at Verlander’s 1.75 ERA at Age 39 …. that’s why he’s a future HOF’er.
None of us can predict the future, especially the next 10-12 years. All I’m saying is there’s a good chance Raffy will make the HOF, but you could be right …. maybe he suffers a severe injury and is out of baseball by Age 32.
I definitely think he did, but until there’s concrete evidence he must be included in the list of clean players.
FPG
Miguel Cabrera, similar body type of Devers. Last productive season was at age 33. Devers not nearly the hitter Cabrera was. I’m picking and choosing. I hope I’m wrong and Devers goes into the Hall. Kind of
Anyways. You called the win last night… May was impressive. 3 more errors that didn’t hurt us. How many right-handed hitters have hit home runs where Bregmans landed??
cdc – Miggy abused his body, he had a drinking problem.
Yeah there’s a big difference between getting swept or losing a series by a 2-1 margin. Now if they lose tonight it won’t be a big deal, especially because the Sox now own the tie-breaker with Houston.
Good question on Bregman, I’d have to research it.
FPG
Hunter Brown will be tough. Very impressive at Fenway a couple weeks ago. Buehler coming off his finest start as a Sox. Vegas has the Astros as a sturdy favorite, for what that’s worth. Maybe the Cubs can win a couple vs Toronto,after the Cubs they are going to face Texas with deGrom and Eovaldi expected to pitch.
cdc – I totally agree!
How weird was it that both Crochet and Eovaldi gave up 5 runs on Monday, what are the odds?
FPG
Amazing with this lineup the Sox are 2nd in the MLB in runs scored.. a lineup that doesn’t feature any huge home run hitters. Abreu could get to 30 , it’s possible.. I read the other day Duran is batting over . 330 since assuming the 3rd spot. We all know what Anthony is doing. Bregman.. I said before, gotta give Cora some credit here. Cora does own the lineup card, do you think Breslow and the front office have any say in how he deploys the lineup order??
cdc – It’s a great lineup against bad pitching, they are fantastic at crushing mistake pitches. The only guys we can count on to hit good pitchers are Duran, Abreu, Anthony and Story. That’s why it’s a feast-or-famine lineup.
Duran had been crushing it long before Roman began batting leadoff. From 06/29-07/26 he had a 1.053 OPS!! All credit to Duran, not Cora.
What do you think of Hicks blasting Narvaez and Wong? That’s not something you see very often, a pitcher bashing his catchers.
FPG
I have not seen this. I did see him saying he needs to take ownership….
You think Duran and Anthony should switch spots in the order?? It’s going very good right now…
cdc – I think they’d be better off with Duran leading off. He can’t wreak havoc on the bases if he’s got Roman and Breggy in front of him. So Duran’s speed is not being utilized as much as it should, especially in the first inning. I really like the idea of Roman batting second, especially as he starts hitting more for power.
When you bat leadoff, there’s less chance of runners in front of you clogging the bases.
Here it is from yesterday’s Globe on Hicks:
Hicks has ideas on how to turn it around: throw his fastball more, ditch his sweeper, and get comfortable telling his catcher no.
“If I’m going to be giving up these kind of runs out of the bullpen, I should really be throwing the pitch I want to throw,” Hicks said Tuesday. “It’s something I had to realize. That’s probably my mind-set moving forward. You have to throw what feels good in the situation. If you have any second thoughts, you’re not going to throw your best pitch.”
FPG
I would think and hope Hicks has had conversations with Narvaez,Wong as well as Bailey and Cora about what to throw. This is an odd situation. I’m trying to wrap some logical thoughts about it. Are they demanding he throw certain pitches at certain times?? Pitchers shake off the catcher all the time.. He is not a rookie, matter in of fact he is throwing in to a rookie in Narvaez. It’s not like he has a history of success. I will be watching closely to see what happens the next time he is out there. Ultimately it’s his decision on what he throws..
Very strange….
cdc – You’re right, it’s his decision …. he’s saying he needs to ignore the catchers going forward, and make his own pitch decisions. He doesn’t feel comfortable using the sweeper, but Breslow doesn’t want the team using fastballs.
Hamilton aka Herb Washington neverneeds to return to Boston. Horrible hitter and not that good of a feilder.
Please don’t trade the password. Might be a better hitter than Abreu.
Toro must go Asap.
Dale – Agree on Toro, him and Rafaela are the weak links on offense.
It’s pretty telling in a game that the Sox had 13 hits and 8 walks, both Toro and Rafaela each had just a single and no walks.
Rafaela’s OPS will be back in the 600’s before you know it, and he committed another error too. Thankfully his and Toro’s performance didn’t matter in this one!
Only FPG would say that a player having just one hit in a game is a bad thing.