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Blue Jays Sign Dylan Cease To Seven-Year Deal

By Darragh McDonald | December 3, 2025 at 12:11pm CDT

December 3rd: The full breakdown is provided by Jon Heyman of The New York Post. Cease gets a $23MM signing bonus and then a $22MM salary in 2026. His salary then jumps to $30MM in 2027 and falls by $1MM in each subsequent season. $10MM of his 2026 salary is deferred followed by $9MM in each season after that. The deal also contains awards bonuses and a limited no-trade clause.

December 2nd: The Jays made it official today, announcing they have signed Cease to a seven-year deal. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the MLBPA values the contract at roughly $184.6MM after adjusting for the deferred money.

November 26th: The Blue Jays are making a major splash at the top of the rotation. Toronto is in agreement with Dylan Cease on a seven-year contract, pending a physical. It’s reportedly a $210MM guarantee for the Boras Corporation client, though it includes deferred money that’ll drop the average annual value for luxury tax purposes to roughly $26MM. That puts the net present value closer to $182MM.

Even after adjusting for deferrals, it’s the largest free agent signing in franchise history. Though the Jays gave Vladimir Guerrero Jr. a $500MM extension earlier this year, they’d never gone beyond George Springer’s six-year, $150MM deal on the open market.

Cease, 30 next month, entered free agency as a test case of how much modern front offices care about earned run average. In two of the past three seasons, his ERA has jumped to the mid-4.00s, including a 4.55 mark in 2025. However, in just about every other respect, he has been great. He has been incredibly durable. His control isn’t amazing but he has racked up strikeouts. He has kept his fastball velocity in the upper 90s, while also featuring a slider, knuckle curve and changeup.

Though Cease debuted back in 2019, he has actually never been on the major league injured list, apart from a very brief stint on the COVID list in 2021. He made 12 starts in the shortened 2020 season and has taken the ball at least 32 times in each full season since. In total, he’s made 174 starts since the start of 2020, which leads all major league pitchers. He generally doesn’t pitch deep into games, however, so he’s ninth in that span in terms of innings.

On top of the quantity, the quality has been strong. For that same 2020-25 span, he posted a 3.88 ERA. His 9.9% walk rate was a bit on the high side but he punched out 28.9% of batters faced with a 14.4% swinging strike rate.

As mentioned, his ERA has wobbled in recent years, but it has done so while other elements of his game have stayed more consistent. He actually saw his ERA drop to 2.20 in 2022. With the White Sox at that time, he finished second in American League Cy Young voting to Justin Verlander. His ERA then shot up to 4.58 in 2023, dropped to 3.47 in 2024 and then climbed back up to 4.55 this year.

But during those ups and downs, his strikeout and walk rates have been less volatile. His strikeout rate did drop from 30.4% in 2022 to 27.3%, but then it climbed to 29.4% and 29.8% in the two most recent campaigns. His 10.4% walk rate in 2022 decreased to 10.1% and 8.5% in the next two years, followed by a slight uptick to 9.8% in 2025.

His batting average on balls in play, which tends to be a bit more luck based, has synched up more with his ERA shifts. A standard BABIP is usually around .290 but Cease was down at .260 in that 2022 season. It then swung the other way to .330 in 2023 as Cease’s ERA climbed, then went to .263 and .320 in the two most recent seasons as his ERA dipped and climbed again.

As such, ERA estimators have considered Cease to be far more steady than his actual ERA. His FIP has been between 3.10 and 3.72 for the past four years. His SIERA was at 3.48 in 2022, jumped a bit to 4.10 in 2023, and then has been at 3.46 and 3.58 in 2024 and 2025.

As we were deliberating our Top 50 Free Agents post at MLBTR, we had many debates about whether the inconsistent ERA would hurt his earning power, perhaps leading him to accept a short-term deal with opt-outs, or if teams would overlook the ERA and sign him based on his consistency in other areas. In the end, we opted for latter, predicting a seven-year, $189MM deal. Cease has surpassed that in terms of sticker price, though the deferrals will seemingly put the net present value closer just below that projection.

The Blue Jays are coming off their best season in years, as they charged all the way to Game Seven of the World Series, ultimately falling to the Dodgers in extra innings. However, the season ended with plenty of rotation uncertainty. Chris Bassitt and Max Scherzer became free agents. Shane Bieber had a $16MM player option he seemed likely to decline. In the long term, Kevin Gausman is a free agent after 2026. José Berríos has an opt-out in his deal after the upcoming campaign.

In the past few weeks and months, the long-term outlook has improved considerably. Trey Yesavage came up late in the year and was immediately able to get hitters out, quickly establishing himself as a rotation building block. Bieber surprisingly decided to trigger his player option and stick with the Jays for one more year. Now Cease is in the fold for the long run.

That gives the Jays a rotation of Gausman, Cease, Yesavage, Bieber and Berríos going into 2026, with guys like Eric Lauer, Ricky Tiedemann and Bowden Francis also in the mix. Though Bieber and Gausman are slated to depart after the upcoming campaign, with Berríos potentially joining them, Cease can serve as a bridge to another era. By then, it’s possible Jake Bloss has recovered from his Tommy John surgery and is back in the mix. Prospects like Gage Stanifer and Johnny King might have climbed into the picture by then as well.

Toronto is paying a significant cost to lock Cease in as a long-term anchor. RosterResource projected their 2026 payroll around $232MM, while their luxury tax number was right around the $244MM base threshold. It won’t be clear how much either number goes up until the payment and deferral structure is reported. The CBT number is based on the contract’s average annual value, so the salary breakdown doesn’t matter for tax purposes, but the deferrals reduce the contract’s actual value by around $4MM annually.

In any case, the Jays are clearly going to pay the tax in 2026, and this will push them beyond the $264MM first surcharge tier. They’re into CBT territory for a second consecutive season, meaning they’re taxed at a 30% rate for their first $20MM in overages. They’ll pay a 42% tax on spending between $264MM and $284MM, 75% for spending between $284MM and $304MM, and a 90% rate on any further spending. The Cease deal itself comes with roughly $8.5MM in taxes, but the penalties will get higher with any more significant additions.

The Jays almost certainly aren’t done. They’ve been loosely linked to Kyle Tucker and have interest in re-signing Bo Bichette. It seems fair to assume they won’t sign all three of this offseason’s top free agents, but a Bichette reunion could still be in play. They’ve also been linked to late-inning bullpen help, ideally a proven closer who’d push Jeff Hoffman into a leverage role in the seventh and eighth innings.

Cease rejected a qualifying offer from the Padres. The Jays are hit with the highest penalty to sign a qualified free agent because they paid the competitive balance tax this year. They’ll surrender their second- and fifth-highest selections in the 2026 draft plus $1MM from their international bonus pool in 2027. San Diego also paid the luxury tax this year, so they’re entitled to the lowest form of compensation: a selection after the fourth round next summer. They’ll get another of those if/when Michael King signs elsewhere.

Jon Heyman of The New York Post first reported the Blue Jays and Cease were in agreement on a seven-year, $210MM deal. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic was first on the presence of deferrals, while Mitch Bannon of The Athletic reported the approximate $26MM AAV.

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  1. DoItDoug

    1 month ago

    Awesome!

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 month ago

      Dolt – Yes as a Red Sox fan this makes me happy!

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      • soxfan1

        1 month ago

        Cease will be posting negative WAR by year 4 of this contract and beyond

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      • dbdmack

        1 month ago

        Or the first. As a sox fan, I did not want a big dollar pitcher with a 4.55 era.

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      • Misty Moobs

        1 month ago

        Who says Santa isn’t real?

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        dbd – Thank you for getting it, unlike Jeremy.

        This contract won’t age well, and will be hard to dump.

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      • bigdaddyt

        1 month ago

        I mean why pay a guy for his prime years when you can spend 40 million for 1 year of a late 30s pitcher that’s proved they can’t pitch in the east

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        • Tommygunn44

          1 month ago

          a) 30-37 is not a pitchers prime years

          b) Grey was far superior to Cease in 2025

          Grey has been far superior to Cease over the last 3yrs

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        • bigdaddyt

          1 month ago

          Did I say the whole contract was his prime?

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          2025 Gray 3.6 fwar – Cease 3.4 fwar
          2023-25 Gray 12.8 fwar – Cease 11.7 fwar
          2021-25 Gray 19.5 fwar – Cease 20.6 fwar

          That is not far superior.

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        • BringBackTheExpos

          1 month ago

          Gray* lol your answer doesn’t hold up if you can’t even spell it right

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Your a Dolt!

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        • BeenThereDoneIt

          1 month ago

          Your’e*

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      • FenwayFaithfulDevilsFan

        1 month ago

        I would have loved Cease. But to be honest that deal is wayyyy too lucrative at a 7 year term. I’d do 5/150 as an absolute max.

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      • tigers182

        1 month ago

        Thanks for spoiling it, Dick

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 month ago

        FPG

        The Blue Jays only need Cease to be a durable middle of the rotation guy. Maybe it is an overpay, but it extends the margin by which the Jays are best in the division.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 month ago

          MLB: they tied with NY and Boston was just four games behind. Not much difference in my book. If NY and/or Boston improve on their defense, that club to me might be favored going into 26. Obviously, we need to see what other moves every club makes but I don’t see much of a difference.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          MLB – I totally agree, and that’s why I gave credit to the Jays for spending now with the window wide open. They needed pitching, they got the best available SP (according to some experts anyways). If he has a nice rebound season, great. If he doesn’t, he’s still better than most of what they had this year.

          It’s a weak free agent class this year, options are limited especially if you don’t have the prospects for trades.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          1 month ago

          Dewey

          For me, the “tie-breaker” was the 2025 NLDS where Jays out-scored the Yankees 34 to 19 en route to winning three out of four games?

          I stand by my statement that the Blue Jays are the best team in their division.

          I do agree that no team in baseball has a wide enough margin over the next best team where they are not enough free agents to change the dynamic.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          1 month ago

          There are only three MLB pitchers who threw at least 165 in each of the last five seasons, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025.

          Logan Webb
          Kevin Gausman
          Dylan Cease

          Plus the Blue Jays score a lot of runs. I would not call Cease a ln ace or a number one, but he is a very useful acquisition for the Blue Jays that makes them better.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          MLB – I totally agree with you regarding value …. it’s the contract that myself and most others are shaking our heads at.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          1 month ago

          When Kyle Tucker gets his huge contract, you’ll all have to shake your heads again.

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        • Anthony maresca

          1 month ago

          What??? If Boone did not send out Williams to close out games who blown 8 games that should have been wins and Yankees run away from that division with 2/3 of their starting rotation including their ace gone for the year! Williams is gone and no longer a concern moving forward. Yankees will win division by 7 games in 2026

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        • Dannydeman

          1 month ago

          Um no.. if they let bichette walk and chose to sign this dude instead.. they have indeed NOT “extended” anything

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Hank – Tucker has earned a huge contract, and he won’t get paid just because of his peripherals like Cease was.

          Can you imagine Tucker having a .650 OPS season but some front office going “He had a good launch angle and exit velo so we will give him a monster contract anyway”..

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        • Yankees fan in Chicago

          1 month ago

          Mr Hank you got it buddy. Some team is absolutely over pay him that will make this Cease deal look like a K-Mart blue lite special from 1978!

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        • jolf

          1 month ago

          I agree. I’m not sure there is such a thing as overpay other than in fans’ heads. Teams determine what they need to improve. If that’s the market price for what Toronto needs and Toronto believes they can afford that price, why do some folks insist it’s an overpay?

          All that matters is that Toronto maintains or improves their results. Winning matters – not whether fans agree with the price teams pays to try to win. That’s just silly. Let time pass and see the results.

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      • Dubbs

        1 month ago

        #ViolentNight

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      • vanswanson

        1 month ago

        Cease is overhyped, guy struggles to get out of the 5th inning, control is, yes please pay him 210 million.

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      • vtadave

        1 month ago

        Don’t think they care. The window is now.

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      • gbs42

        1 month ago

        3.88 career ERA with 2nd-place and 4th-place Cy Young finishes in the last four years.

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      • bigdaddyt

        1 month ago

        Buddy you just named every pitcher in the MLB other than like 10 guys

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      • Yankees fan in Chicago

        1 month ago

        Jeremy Cmon dude it’s called sportsmanship…. No need be dbag .

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Toronto didn’t even look at his era as it’s completely irrelevant.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        1 month ago

        It shows me how crazy the starting pitching market is. way too many years at a higher than I expected AAv

        13
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      • Steve45

        1 month ago

        Toronto won’t care if they win the World Series in the next two seasons

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        gbs – Pitchers with career ERA’s near 4 are worthy of $210M contracts now?

        When Boras clients sign this early there’s a reason.

        BTW – His 2024 Cy votes season, his ERA was nearly a run higher on the road. And this year? Nearly two runs higher. He’s gonna really miss Petco.

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      • xpensivewinos

        1 month ago

        Wait. What?!?!?!

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      • gbs42

        1 month ago

        FPG, I’m not sure he’s worth it, but dbdmack listed his 4.55 ERA in 2025 as if that’s all he is.

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      • Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens

        1 month ago

        Fever- Very glad the Sox did not make this deal. Never thought he would get 7 years and he was really not someone who would fit that second ace role so would not have been excited even with a short term deal. Other much more desirable arms out there.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Uncle – I’m a firm believer in going all out for the truly elite. Sox need to save the money for Skubal, just in case.

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        • Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens

          1 month ago

          Fever-I know you have been talking about him for a while. That would definitely be the ace we need!

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      • Old York

        1 month ago

        @Jeremy320

        Wha? He’s not real?

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        1 month ago

        The window was this past season. Everything went right until Game 7, 9th inning. You have to win when you can as you may never get another chance. That’s what makes Boston and San Francisco so impressive. Seven combined chances this century. Seven combined wines. Blade, Bo and Springer all had amazing seasons and it’s unlikely they will all peak the same year again (assuming Bo re-signs).

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        1 month ago

        How is ERA totally irrelevant? Even saberstat geeks understand the correlation between a high ERA and being replaced by another pitcher. They’re paying him like a number one. Show me a championship team with a number one starter with an ERA of over 4.

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      • RShore05

        1 month ago

        Berrios 2.0

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      • Rexhudler86

        1 month ago

        @FPG. I have a feeling the market is going to be bad. The top 10 will be alright, but the middle might get squeezed. I guess that’s good news you can probably get decent players on one year deals once the everyone has spent.

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      • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

        1 month ago

        FPG – if you feel like your team is W.S. ready (as the Jays must feel) the second half of a long contract like this becomes irrelevant.
        Yes, in year 5,6,7 its an undumpable albatross. However, youre paying for year 1,2,3 and 4.
        If you win even one World Series trophy in those first four years youre good. Especially for a franchise like Toronto.

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      • fba0017

        1 month ago

        Year 3

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        RShore – It’s amazing how consistent he’s been between Min and Tor.

        4.08 ERA in 781 innings with Minn
        4.09 ERA in 790 innings with Tor

        At the very least, he came as advertised.

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      • Rsox

        1 month ago

        I think thankfully the Sonny Gray trade took them out of the starting pitching market, unless an offer too good to pass up comes Breslow’s way i think the next focus is getting a bat and filling out the bullpen

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      • LaFleur

        1 month ago

        Santa is real Misty, just like Bigfoot and Nessy

        Reply
      • gbs42

        1 month ago

        FPG,

        That’s a similar reason I think Seattle’s pitchers are somewhat overrated. It’s a great pitcher’s park.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        Sad – I totally agree, and the Jays have the money to take the risk.

        I just have serious doubts that he will earn his annual salary in more than one of the first 4 years. I see him following the same path as Price etc.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        gbs – Absolutely, the park factors are insanely favorable to pitchers …. some more than others.

        I mean I really like Pivetta, but even I have acknowledged his pitching in Petco helped his numbers this year.

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      • stymeedone

        1 month ago

        He barely throws 5 innings now. Should they expect less as the contract ages?

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      • scissormetimbers

        1 month ago

        Pitchers who finish 2nd and 4th in cy young voting in 2 of the last 4 years are

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      • JimmyTheGreek

        1 month ago

        Posters on the naughty list are the ones in denial.

        Reply
      • Dogbone

        1 month ago

        I believe the contract will age, extremely poorly. Cease is a max effort guy, and he has already had arm issues early in his career.
        It seems that also can be why his location has been so erratic in recent seasons. Seven years at $30/per, is a huge investment for a player like him. Good luck Blue Jays, but I’m glad you saved him from the Cubs.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        Steve – Agreed, and they shouldn’t. They have the financial backing and they owe it to the fans.

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        1 month ago

        Hahaha! Wait Santa isn’t real?

        Reply
      • Ww0907

        1 month ago

        He’s not???

        Reply
      • gbs42

        1 month ago

        Ww0907, he’s not what?

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      • pingston

        1 month ago

        ERA is directly affected by the defence played behind you. The Blue Jays have solid defence. They needed a Cease type.

        My prediction. They will add Bo for sure, and maybe Tucker.

        I hope they add Bassitt as swingman, bullpen, spot starter…

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      • DirtyWater04

        1 month ago

        Dude could barely keep it in the yard pitching at Petco, he’s gonna get eaten alive in the AL East

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      • McMillan-Piper

        1 month ago

        Cringe.

        Reply
      • DirtyWater04

        1 month ago

        They might do that, but even if they do I highly doubt it’ll be due to anything he does

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Era isn’t a reliable indicator of performance and more importantly future performance.

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        1 month ago

        Their rotation is now better than last year.

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        1 month ago

        What about Fried’s? Or any of the Dodger’s pitchers? SP contracts are super risky. Red Sox seem more inclined to trade for younger or short term guys. Is it better to trade or pay?

        I had Cease going to Boston. Is Cease at $26 better than Sonny at $21 and some decent prospects?

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      • ghostofmookiebetts

        1 month ago

        Exactly, Steve, exactly. Toronto knows precisely what the risk is for the end of the deal but they’re doing what they think it will take to win a WS. Can’t fault them for that.

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      • Andrew-UK

        1 month ago

        2025 was Bichette ‘s 2nd lowest WAR in the past 5 years, the one lower was 2024 when he was injured most of the season. So it was hardly his peak in 2025.
        Who is Blade? Is that Vladdy? He was great in the postseason, but it definitely wasn’t his peak regular season.
        So they didn’t all peak in 2025. Chances are they’ll be collectively as good or better in 2026. If Bichette re-signs.

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      • DoItDoug

        1 month ago

        Jays can afford the last few years when he declines.

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      • Ww0907

        1 month ago

        Santa bro. Saw him kissing mommy last year.

        1
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      • gugui

        1 month ago

        Way to much money

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      • Ww0907

        1 month ago

        Santa must be real if Dylan Cease and that 3.88 ERA got 7/210

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      • Ph 2

        1 month ago

        Don’t worry, they’ll trade him to the Sox in year six when he’s the same age as (*check notes*) Sonny Gray.

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        • Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens

          1 month ago

          Only if he is injured, they love reclamation projects.

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      • Tommygunn44

        1 month ago

        As a Sox fan, there’s no bizzaro world where I’d want Cease over Grey at 10x the cost lol

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      • ellisd19830

        1 month ago

        Just trade him to the mets for yrs 5, 6, and 7.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 month ago

        Tommy

        Sox gave up two players for one year of Gray, so by extrapolation seven years of Gray might have cost them 14 players and paying $20 million per year versus $26 million taking into account deferrals. In other words, a comparison to Gray is not black and white.

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      • ellisd19830

        1 month ago

        The white sox

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      • 2slowbot

        1 month ago

        Right on! Ive been Santa for 20 yrs now. Im real. Respect.

        1
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      • reneaguerra

        1 month ago

        Yamamoto makes less than 30 a year. as a Dodger fan who watched this guy crack under pressure in every single big game. This has got to be one of the worst deals I’ve ever seen. Good for him to fleece Toronto like this.

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      • Anthony maresca

        1 month ago

        They won’t even win their division let alone WS.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 month ago

        For 2022 to 2025, there are only four pitchers with two separate top four Cy Young finishes, Skubal, Skenes, Cole and Cease.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 month ago

        Yamamoto is now maybe the best pitcher in MLB who has a last name starting with any letter other than “S”.

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      • VegasSDfan

        1 month ago

        Good for Cease. Beat LA next year Jays.

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        • DolemiteisMyname

          1 month ago

          The Baseball God’s won’t allow it. didn’t you watch the WS?

          Reply
      • Cardsfanatik redux

        1 month ago

        this is good stuff right here!! lmao

        Reply
      • stephaniebpetagno

        1 month ago

        Would you give a 7/210 million contract to Logan Webb? This seems like an overpay to me.

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      • stephaniebpetagno

        1 month ago

        Logan Webb, no?

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        1 month ago

        Fever, I totally agree on your Boras comment. A) it sets the market for others; b) he needed to get Cease signed by Toronto BEFORE the negotiations on Bichette starts. Regardless where he ends up signing, Toronto will be involved. I still expect the Jays to re-sign him but if the price gets crazy, they might not have pulled the trigger on Cease; and c) even Boras didn’t think another club would come close never mind beat this offer

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      • DraytonSawyer

        1 month ago

        Stellar film.

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      • Willj

        1 month ago

        No doubt! 7 years is wild for a guy who is a #3 starter. By year 5, this will be a disaster.

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      • Willj

        1 month ago

        Same, that seems like a reasonable upper end.

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      • Willj

        1 month ago

        Yep. San Diego has a really good defense and a pitcher friendly park. On a different team, his ERA could have easily been over 5. Every start he’d pitch two great innings, one okay innings and two disastrous innings. You just never knew what order.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        AI – Okay if Pivetta walks the leadoff hitter 9 times in the same game but strikes out all 27 other hitters in the game, and in a different game Cease walks the first 9 hitters in one inning but strikes out all 27 other hitters in the game, they both have identical FIP but Nick has a 0.00 ERA and Dylan has a 6.00 ERA.

        Who pitched better?

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      • Bobby smac9

        1 month ago

        The market for Boris clients in particular

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      • Miken31

        1 month ago

        gbs42:

        A 3.88 ERA is hardly spectacular

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      • FenwayFaithfulDevilsFan

        1 month ago

        You forgot Crochet.

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      • PoisonedPens

        1 month ago

        Cease was at 1..1 bWAR last year, that’s already “negative” in that a starting everyday player should be 2.0 – now pitching in the AL East, well, that’s going to be a task.

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      • VegasSDfan

        1 month ago

        Cease is a great guy, plays hard, but he is way overrated. Just my two cents

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      • DolemiteisMyname

        1 month ago

        You must be giddy with excitement. Funny watching the 2025 WS and when they show celebs in Toronto EuGene Levy (Who I like) is the only one they can find compared to who was at the games at Dodger Stadium……

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      • kingbum

        1 month ago

        Jays clearly overpaid on this one, they paid for availability which I can’t blame them their rotation had many injuries.

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      • Steinbrenner2728

        1 month ago

        @Jeremy320 surprised you’re not btching that Cease took a deferred contract

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        @ Fever Cease easily

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        AI – Hahaha ,,,,, you just can’t admit it, you can’t admit FIP is flawed for many reasons, one of which is lack of context!

        Cease sucked this year in large part because his strand rate sucked.

        His strand rate has been below 70% each of the past three seasons, that sucks.

        He had worse numbers with runners on base than with the bases empty, a very bad sign. As a pitcher you’re supposed to crank it up a notch with RISP, not pitch worse.

        And you cried about the Padres defense hurting Cease, which it did, but you fail to even realize he was saved many times by easily the best bullpen in MLB.

        Best WAR in MLB, best ERA in MLB, and best K/9 in the league.

        You think the Jays bullpen is gonna support him? They were bottom half of MLB this year.

        Maybe the Jays coaching staff will help Cease improve when it matters most, time will tell.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        And you cried about the Padres defense

        Show me where I did that and I’ll give you a 100k.

        I would explain it to you but now you are lying just making things up so I had enough of this conversation.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        AI – There’s nothing to explain, I’ve covered favorable Park Factor and bullpen, unfavorable defense, and poor strand rate and situational pitching.

        And oh yeah, Cease had 4.48 Run Support ….. a full run more than guys like Skenes. Ryan, Valdez, etc.

        So Happy Thanksgiving!

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        @Fever Pitch Guy

        Happy Thanksgiving to you. But you don’t have any interest in the 100 grand so every day is happy for you.

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      • bullred

        1 month ago

        And Geddy Lee (Rush). Don’t forget Geddy!

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        AI – You had said 100K, which I took to mean you’d cut out 100 little K’s from magazines and send them to me.

        Nah I don’t want to go down that road. If comments were searchable, yeah I probably would …. but no way I’m sifting through 900+ comments trying to find it, only to get a response like “that’s not crying”.

        All good though, I enjoy most of your comments and I appreciate you bringing humor at times. I’m sure you’ve seen all the likes I’ve given you.

        If you want to continue undervaluing results, that’s cool …. your prerogative, agree to disagree.

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      • bullred

        1 month ago

        I hate it when my responses are thrown all over the place out of context. I wonder where this one will end up!

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      • Yankees fan in Chicago

        1 month ago

        Steve that’s correct my friend it’s called balls to walls! Lfg we made it to game 7 of the world series! Our window is now ! I appreciate that mentality and hope they get what there after as long as my Yankees get one first lol but seriously more competition the better it makes winning it all even sweeter….

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        @Fever You’re just living good and that hundred ain’t enough to bother with. I’ll go a million but you’re gonna have to put some skin in to make it worthwhile. I hate to take advantage of someone with extreme memory problems though. You don’t have to search through 900 comments. Just fo to find on page type Ai gm and you can just go to all my comments and see if I ever talked about fip or Padres defense or their bullpen. If you find any mention of those things then we can settle on the definition of crying. Good luck my friend.

        Yeah I am beloved by the people that are intelligent enough to figure me out. And the one’s who can’t have a villain which gives them entertainment. Can’t break character even for people I like though. And I can’t really defend myself against things I never said. I have no idea what his fip even is and never looked into the Padres defense or bullpen.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        AI – If you want some skin I’ll need to reach out to my buddy Leatherface, as I’ve got none to spare.

        Okay just now I tried putting in “AI GM” in the search field at the top of the page, doesn’t do anything. Are you using the app? If so, that would explain it …. I don’t use the app.

        It was only the defense I recall being mentioned, using it to explain the high ERA. Coulda been under another article, who knows. Not a big deal.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Fever on android website. I click the 3 vertical dots on browser. Apple and computer you would think has the same thing so wherever you would go to do settings clear cache history is my guess where it should be. Find in on page or something. You can type in a user name and it will highlight and you can arrow to every post that user made. You can put in say Padres and it will do the same for every use of the word Padres. You just got me confused with anyone else because I don’t use a teams defense in any formula. Nor bullpen. And don’t care about fip. Way better than era but still weak.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          AI – It worked, thank you! I appreciate it, very helpful. Yes I think you’re right, my apologies.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          AI is your friend and here to help. Definitely no plans to exterminate the human race.

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    • Deebo_91

      1 month ago

      LFG!!!!!

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    • bigdaddyt

      1 month ago

      Now get Imai and cbass as the 6th/late inning and jays rotation will be pretty darn good. Gaus, Biebs, Yesavage, Cease and Imai would be top 5 rotation in the league. Mind you was saying the same thing when they got Johnson and Burhle

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      • bigdaddyt

        1 month ago

        Oh ya Berrios exists as well

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    • horaceallen

      1 month ago

      Didn’t see this coming so soon.

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      • bigdaddyt

        1 month ago

        Gotta get this done early for the bigger moves later.

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    • 99Captain Judge99

      1 month ago

      Cease Fire!!! 🔥

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        1 month ago

        Better than Arson Judge!

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        • 99Captain Judge99

          1 month ago

          Where is Arson Judge at?

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    • RobM

      1 month ago

      Totally. For the Yankees, Orioles and Rays.

      The Red Sox yesterday traded for a starting pitcher with a 4.28 ERA last year, and now today the Blue Jays signed a pitcher with a 4.55 ERA. Both heading to the explosive A.L. East.

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      • Hammerin' Hank

        1 month ago

        Sorry, I just can’t waste any more of my time reading all these dumb comments about ERA.

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        • RobM

          1 month ago

          Hammerin’, ERA went from overrated, to completely ignored in the stats community. The reality is it is valuable as an entry point, In the case of Cease, his hard hit rates and barrel rates correspond to his up-and-down seasons, which then impacts ERA. As a stand-alone stat? No. As an indicator stat? Yes.

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    • WadeBoggsWildRide

      1 month ago

      I had the Blue Jays going with Framber. I think Cease has a higher ceiling so good for them.

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  2. simonkiller

    1 month ago

    This way lies madness

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    • i like al conin

      1 month ago

      Notably this recalibrates the market for FA SP.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        He went for what he should have.

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      • Dimitri_in_LA

        1 month ago

        I’d say so too.

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    • Dimitri_in_LA

      1 month ago

      A regrettable deal in the making. Seven years for Cease?

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      • Fowlerrc

        1 month ago

        They’re trying to win a World Series now, year 7 be damned. It’s the pride of doing business for top-end free agent starters. Is it a huge risk with the way pitchers get injured these days. Sure. But a ring curse all

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        • WrongM

          1 month ago

          @Fowler
          It’s clear what you mean, but I’ve gotta say, perfect typo in the last line

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        • Fowlerrc

          1 month ago

          Dammit. Well, tomato/tomato 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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      • Still in talks

        1 month ago

        The red sox will trade for him in year 6 of the contract.

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  3. angt222

    1 month ago

    Ooff! Def thought he was going to NYM or CHC.

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    • aaronharper

      1 month ago

      I was hoping the Cubs- but at 7/210 Jed would never touch that. Ever.

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      • Tshelton

        1 month ago

        For that price, I’m glad they didn’t. Good for cease, hope the Jays can win one. I like them being aggressive.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Deferrals allegedly and TOR NY CHI would all pay different prices.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          @AI If any money in this contract is deferred so what?? The deferred monies have to be funded annually as they happen and and are counted against luxury tax accordingly.

          Would you also like to tell us what investments Nolan Ryan allegedly had last year? Its literally the same thing as discussing deferrals, its an individual players finances and the growth of their wealth.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Deferrals are something many teams like to do and will pay a larger total amount with them.

          Don’t give a f what Nolan Ryan is doing.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          The teams do not pay a larger amount. The teams invest principal funding the deferrals annually as they happen, a 3rd party where that money is invested pays the interest that accrues.

          Nor should you give a f what he is doing with his $. How he invests his $ is his concern. Too bad you dont afford that same decency across the board.

          Ultimately the value of a contract is the present day value. Ohtani for example has a $460M contract the rest is time value of $ and is ultimately an investment. Dodgers are funding the deferrals annually per the CBA and are charged accordingly against Luxury Tax.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Teams absolutely will give a larger contract if it contains deferrals.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          The payout is larger not the value of the contract. The present day value is funded to accrue to future payment value. The extra $ comes from a 3rd party where it is invested.

          The amount of the contract is inflated with deferrals. The true value of the contract is not what is reported but what the team has to pay to fund deferrals. That true value is what is charged against Luxury Tax as well, which is exactly how it should be.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          You’re making significant progress. Let’s say it one more time just to make sure.

          Teams absolutely will give a larger contract if it contains deferrals.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          If I was you I would get off here and start writing like a 100 hour epic fantasy novel or something. Not telling you what to do just what I would do. You have a creative mind. From 2 words deferrals allegedly you somehow thought I know absolutely nothing about deferrals but for some strange reason hate them.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          Correcting one significant detail: nothing in the CBA requires the funding for deferrals to be held by a “third party.” The teams can invest the funds practically any way they wish. The only real requirement is submitting the quarterly investment account reports to MLB. This is not just an academic distinction, it’s what gives teams with in-house investing savvy an edge. They have a high degree of confidence in their ability to beat the modest returns built into the CBA on salaries they are borrowing from the players.

          And yes, the present value of these contracts is going to be somewhat higher than it would without the deferrals. This is why both the owners and the players like and use them.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          @Blueskies Considering the $ has to be invested, it requires a 3rd party. The contractual language doesn’t have to specify 3rd party as the other contractual languages makes a 3rd party a must.

          Regardless the point still stands the total value of contracts with deferrals is inflated opposed to what teams actually pay.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          It doesn’t require a third party. The Dodgers, for one, are owned by a huge hedge fund. I’m sure they feel perfectly capable of managing these investment accounts on their own, and the CBA certainly gives them the opportunity. You may also remember that notoriously, Fred Wilpon invested a deferral account with Bernie Madoff. His choice, and his liability when Madoff made off with the money.

          The best way to understand deferrals is as the players making loans to the team. In fact, this is exactly how they are described in the CBA.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          The CBA further stipulates when how and what rate deferrals are funded. No the Dodgers are not owned by a hedge fund. They are owned by Guggenheim Baseball Management which is a separate deal entity.

          Well I can not say with any certainty, Id suspect the CBA requires some separation in the funding of deferrals as far as conflicts of interest.

          Madoff was a 3rd party and that was absolutely unprecedented. The man was the former Chairman of the Nasdaq, almost nobody would have thought he was a fraud. But the fact it happened is all the more reason MLB put more contractual language protecting deferred monies.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          Guggenheim Partners is the parent company of Guggenheim Baseball Management. Mark Walter is CEO of Guggenheim Partners and chairman of Guggenheim Baseball Management. Exactly how much of the team is held by the many investors has never been publicly disclosed, but suggesting that the two Guggenheims are not connected is unrealistic.

          Madoff was not a third party any more than a company becomes a third party when you buy stock in it. The investment choice is made by you, just as the decision to invest with Madoff was Wilpon’s alone. Nobody knew Madoff was running a Ponzi scheme until they knew. I’m not sure if the controls are greater now than they were at that time, but the language of the CBA is clear: Teams have broad discretion on how they invest deferrals. MLB requires quarterly reviews of the accounts, and that’s pretty much all.

          ARTICLE XVI—Deferred Compensation

          Unless the Uniform Player’s Contract provides otherwise, a Club may fund deferred compensation obligations in such manner as it elects, provided that: (a) the funding method used by the Club must be such that the amount(s) funded are exclusively for the uses and purposes of satisfying the deferred compensation obligation(s) being funded; (b) the amount(s) funded are maintained in the form of unencumbered assets comprising cash or cash equivalents and/or registered and unrestricted readily marketable securities, unless a Club obtains the Parties’ prior written authorization of an alternative form; and (c) such amount(s) funded are subject to the claims of the Club’s general creditors. Each Club shall certify quarterly to the Office of the Commissioner by January 31, April 30, July 31, and October 31 of each year (and the Office of the Commissioner shall provide such certifications to the Association within 30 days of their receipt) the manner in which its deferred compensation obligations that were required to be funded by the immediately preceding July 1 have been funded. In addition, upon each quarterly certification, each Club shall provide to the Office of the Commissioner all records relating to its deferred compensation funding arrangements, and the Office of the Commissioner shall supply any such records to the Association upon request.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          I understand what Guggenheim Partners are. Thats irrelevant, Guuggenheim Baseball Management legally is a separate entity.

          I also understand what the contractual in the CBA reads. I see quite a bit undefined which leads me to believe there are Letters of Understanding that go with their CBA.

          Beyond that, the main point here is contracts with deferrals the overall contract is overstated in today’s value and for what it costs Franchises in today’s $.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          Chevrolet is legally a separate “entity” from GM. See, I can come up with distinctions without a difference too!

          You don’t need to read anything beyond the plain language of the CBA to see that the teams are responsible for managing the deferred salary funds. These terms are fully explained. No “third party” need be involved. The other way we can see this is in the language stating that the funds “are subject to the claims of the Club’s general creditors.” This means they are treated as team assets and would not be segregated from them in the case of a bankruptcy. I don’t know why I encounter so much stubbornness when it comes to accepting this. It is so clearly explained and not at all difficult to understand.

          Yes, most sportswriters and practically every fan find the concept of present value boring and/or incomprehensible. As such, the real cost of contracts including deferrals is nearly always overstated.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          No Chevrolet is a brand of GMs. Guggenheim Baseball Management did not exist until it was created and incorporated prior to the purchase of the Dodgers. It is not a distinction I came up with, it is a reality that happened.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          I was responding to your use of the meaningless term “entity.”

          As I’ve already said, we really don’t know much about the corporate structure of the two Guggenheims, but we do know that Mark Walter is the head of both and the controlling stockholder in the Dodgers. Suggesting that this connection is insignificant seems quite silly, honestly.

          Either way, you are losing track of my actual point: No matter how you choose to characterize the connection between the ownership of the Dodgers and the hedge fund, the reality is they know how to manage money. And this is what gives them great confidence in their ability to borrow money through deferrals and come out ahead.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          Im well aware they know how to ha dle $. However, MLB very well might require the $ to be invested elsewhere to make sure here is no conflict of interest..

          All teams would do deferrals if it got them the players they wanted. Ultimately some are not willing to pay with or without the deferred $. MLB could ban deferrals and the Dodgers would just sign them to a traditional contract.

          I know you are not doing it here, but too often people try and portray deferrals as teams running up a credit card that they worry about later. Which totally is not the case.

          As for Ohtani, his side presented the deferrals and he rakes in record endorsement $. The inflated total on the contract just added to his lore and further bolstered his endorsement power. I thought it was a genius move.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          We certainly agree that both the team and the player made out very well with the Ohtani contract. The team especially when you consider the comps.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          Dodgers got very lucky with the timing. Few yrs later and they pay a ton more under same circumstances. No TJS and they would have paid much more. Had it been a few yrs later and no TJS he might ve eclipsed a billion on heals of Soto’s deal. Then again maybe Soto doesn’t get that same deal had Ohtani’s deal not yet happened.

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          The comp I think might be closest is Vlad Guerrero Jr. He got an even larger guarantee in present value than Ohtani. If you look it at that way, the TJ doesn’t figure into it by much. Soto’s contract is more expensive yet.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          I think Ohtani would ve gotten an even larger contract had he not needed TJS. His contract tho still set a new high water mark which helped raise bat for Soto as well as inflation. Had Soto hit free agency before Ohtani that would have also played in his favor. Ultimately I suspect Ohtani wont starve tho.

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      • Gmaytag

        1 month ago

        And in this case it makes Jed a smart man. No way any fan can fault him for not getting involved. Toronto will regret this signing.

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        • Fowlerrc

          1 month ago

          If they win a ring next year, they’re it going to regret anything. This signing isn’t about 4 or 5 years from now. It’s about trying to win a championship right now while their window is open with an ace this peak.

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        • Gmaytag

          1 month ago

          Yes he’s a solid pitcher, but he was #3 or 4 on SD. $30m is DeGrom area and he’s no DeGrom…but yes if they get a ring it’s worth it. For Toronto’s sake I hope this doesn’t preclude them from another major signing because they are more than just a Cease away imo.

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        • larry48

          1 month ago

          I don’t think the blue jay win their division let along make it back to the world series. The 2025 Blue Jays will not repeat.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          There is no such thing as an “open window.” That’s fanspeak.

          Did you think a window was “open” this year? Don’t tell me you did, no one thought the Blue Jays would get where they did.

          Next year is a completely new year, and this past year doesn’t change the current reality, or what will happen tomorrow. Injuries, Toronto’s competition, unexpected underperformance, all will quickly conspire to change the narrative in 2026 like it always does.

          Signing players to extraordinarily large contracts on the basis of an “open window” is what bad teams do.

          Good teams sign players to contracts that have a chance of aging well, and don’t undermine the future, because good teams build sustainably competitive teams, not moments.

          We all know the Toronto Blue Jays are poorly run, and this is just another example. Enjoy the headlines and good feelings folks, it will all dissipate in the reality of a new season.

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        • Another Dodgers Fan

          1 month ago

          When Mookie Betts signed with the Dodgers, they thought they were getting a great player. Then after watching him they realized what they had in him was much more, and decided they had a window of his best years to go all in to maximize them.

          Everything big thru did happened after that. Freeman, Ohtani, Yamamoto, etc.

          They are on the record saying as much.

          So yes there are windows. It’s just depends where yours opens to.

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          And you’re basing on that on what exactly? Jaysen won at least 89 games in four of the past seasons. Only three other teams in MLB have done that. 2024 was the outlier, not 2025.

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          “we all know the Blue Jays are a poorly run”

          Lol. The Jays have won at least 89 games and four of the past five seasons. The only other teams in the majors to do that are the Dodgers, the Yankees and the Astros. Are the other 28 teams all poorly run as well?

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          This is hilarious to me…do I have to go back and dig out all the articles where Jays fans were ready to string up both Shapiro and Atkins? Please don’t tell me they are folk heroes now.

          Anthony Santander, Jeff Hoffman and Andres Gimenez would be enough to get most front offices fired…just wait until Khal Stephen is dealing in Cleveland and the guy who gave up the game-winning homer in the 2025 World Series is long gone.

          Heck, it won’t be long before the Vlad overpay will start to choke this team. Better get that farm system churning out more Trey Yesavages and quickly! (Speaking of whom, Toronto has no idea what that kid will give them in 2026. No clue at all, and that goes for Berrios and Bieber as well.)

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          Yesavage had 160 K in 98 innings in the minors and led all pitchers in both the majors and minors in whiff rate. He’s ready.

          The Jays also have five prospects in the top 100 now. They’re farm system has improved a lot over the past year or two.

          You can say what you want about them being a bad team, but the results speak for themselves. They’ve been consistent contenders. Like I said, only three other teams have managed what they have over the past 5 years. You can’t just wave that away.

          Yeah I’m sure a team that went to the World Series is going to fire their GM over a few bad signings. Literally no one is getting fired after the season they had. They’ve also made some really good signings. They turned Robbie Ray into a Cy Young for one year and 8 million and one year and 18 million got Marcus Semien and a third place MVP. The Gausman, Bassitt and Springer signings all worked out well.

          It’s obvious by how hard you’re trying to make a good team look bad that you’ve obviously got some sort of dislike of them. A few salty Blue Jays fans complaining about them because they were angry AA left is some pretty unconvincing proof on your part. Everything you bring up is anecdotal at best.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          So much of this is wrong Avory.

          First off, the nature of baseball, there is no such thing as ‘contracts that age well’ in free agency, not at the top end of the market. Players are drastically underpaid in their first 4-6 years and then are rewarded with an overpay. Saying things like ‘good teams sign players to contracts that have a chance to age well’ is just complete fluff and there’s no reality tied to it. In 2031 the dodgers have 90mil tied up in Yamamoto,Ohtani and Betts, all who will be 36,38 and 39 respectively. Is that going to age well? Probably not, do the dodgers care? of course not. Would you consider them poorly run? Obviously not. That’s the price you pay to get the good years.

          Second of all, pretending the Jays are the 84 win dbacks in 2023 on a Cinderella run is also a bit ridiculous.

          In the last 5 years jays have made the playoffs 3 times and have won 91, 92, 89, 74 and 94 games during that period. All that was missing was playoff success. Does this run mean they automatically will have success next postseason? Ofcourse not – but to suggest everything will go wrong next year just because things went right this is year is similarly unlikely, what about all that went wrong in ‘25? Santander, Garcia, sandlin, scherzer, at one point turnbal, urena and Cowan were making starts.

          Yes it’s a new year, yes nothing is guaranteed but your sky is falling opinion is just as ridiculous as anyone who thinks they are a lock for the WS again.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          You could take everything you said and apply it to every team.

          It’s funny, you say things like Toronto doesn’t know what Berrios, bieber and yesavage are going to give them in ‘26 while just finishing telling everyone that Santander, Gimenez and Hoffman will give them nothing and the GM should be fired for their deals. The Vlad deal will never choke this team, it’s an overpay in years not AAV, you’re just making yourself look foolish at this point.

          It doesn’t show understanding or knowledge to just be pessimistic about everything, that’s low IQ stuff. You saying 20 things are going to wrong, and when 5 do you say see! I told you so! Doesn’t make you a fortune teller. Just makes you a negative Nancy and a boring troll

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        • DraytonSawyer

          1 month ago

          At least they’re trying. A lot of organizations seem content just making the playoffs. Where’s the push for the ring? I commend the Jays.

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        • DraytonSawyer

          1 month ago

          I like where the Jays are headed. They’re active and attempting to field a championship caliber club. Braves fan take here.

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Avery – Your not the brightest crayon in the box are you. Keep your head up!

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Jaysfansince92 – Avory sounds like they have been shedding bitter tears. I wouldn’t pay much attention to their obviously bitter resentment posts.

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Dustyslambchops23 – Yes! Nobody knows what any player is going to give you next year.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          So let me get this straight: Dylan Cease being paid somewhere between $25 and $30m for 2026–where he will presumably put up something like another 2.0 WAR season (heck, he only put up 1.1 LAST season)–is a “drastic underpay” and THEN somewhere along the line that contract turns sour? Riiiiight.

          Oh yeah, there’s some rationalization going on. If you don’t see some grousing over this in the near future–and some hell to pay–then I have some rose-colored glasses that will fit you quite nicely.

          This casual idea that overpaying on the back end of these contracts is justified by front end performance is belied by deals like the Marcus Semien/Brandon Nimmo one…teams can’t stand to watch contracts like these play out for years and years and will do anything just get such mistakes out of their sight just to watch something different.

          Trust me, you’ll get frustrated watching Dylan Cease “tantalize” you with his talent.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          Cease was 3.4 fwar in a down year. You can’t even get the basic facts right.

          You’re not good at this. I’m not reading the rest of your post beyond the first line, there’s no point

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Lol Depends where you get your info I guess. Cease put up 3.4 Fwar this year and 20.6 fwar in the last 5 years. There are few pitchers that have surpassed that in the last 5 years but go ahead and inform me how he will suddenly ignite in flames.

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        • Mr. Pessimist

          1 month ago

          Clearly you know nothing!

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Bwar better then era and fwar better then bwar. There’s better indicators though. Easy to create one that’s better than all of those though so hopefully teams are trying to if they haven’t already.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          Spot on Dusty about players being underpaid in beginning and most free agent contracts not aging well.

          What is rarely considered here is the business aspect of the sport. Free agents have name recognition and pro sports is driven by stars and names fans can recognize. Basing every move on winning and production is not a true depiction of value.

          Supply and demand also plays heavy here. With increase in SP injuries it has made mid- top of rotation arms more scarce driving up salaries. Cease also has a history of being very durable. I saw someone mention “hes not deGrom” which I found funny. They deemed Cease a 4th or 5th starter for not being an elite tier Ace. Hes definitely not an elite talent deGrom is, he also is not anywhere near the risk deGrom is.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          Bingo tigers3232

          Jays have prioritized durability, they’ve lacked org depth and times but bassitt, Berrios and guasman have taken the ball every 5 games.

          I believe now with Cease on board, the jays have the top 3 SP in terms of games started in the last 3 years.

          So yes he’s not degrom from a top end, but when degrom gets hurt he’s being replaced by a fringe depth starter, so that adds up .

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          [misplaced]

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Baseball Reference has Dylan Cease at 1.1 WAR for 2025, 4.1 for 2024, and 2.2 for 2023, so you can wave all your fWAR’s in front of me that you want, let me quote Fangraph’s own Michael Baumann in his account of the signing:

          “Cease’s swing-and-miss numbers are the best of any starter in baseball, but he’s mediocre at suppressing hard contact. Hitters might not guess correctly that often, but when they do, they can do quite a bit of damage.”

          “Usually, the winner overpays by a little [in free agency]. Either the Blue Jays know something the rest of us don’t, or they overpaid by a lot.”

          Here’s the thing: Fangraph’s WAR relies on underlying metrics telling us that Cease actually pitched better than the results. Baseball Reference WAR is more results oriented. Trouble is, Dylan Cease consistently underperforms his underlying metrics, which means the scoreboard isn’t usually friendly toward him (and isn’t that what matters in the end?)

          And should that fastball lose any sizzle at all, his swing and miss will start to evaporate, and that already high hard-hit rate will escalate as well. Again, making this already risky contract even riskier.

          Steamer projects Cease next year with a 9-10 record, 4.20 ERA and a WHIP of 1.26 and 3.5 walks per nine. Anyone who watches Cease pitch over any length of time knows how frustrating he can be pitching for your team, usually entering the fifth inning with 80-85 pitches having labored through long counts and numerous baserunners, always on the precipice of a big hit clearing the bases and changing the course of a game.

          If you think that’s worth $26m now (not to mention in years five, six, and seven) have at it. But nobody thinks the Jays are any scarier today because of this signing, I assure you.

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          MLBTR had Cease at 27m per year for 7 years. With the deferrals that’s what he got. And that’s not steamer projections. Steamers has Cease at 3.60 era and 3.8 fwar. He is a durable pitcher and that is all the Jays need.

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        • Tigers3232

          1 month ago

          @Avory Rather conviemt you only went back 3 years on his WAR. Womder why that is….

          You all but admitted that you barely wrong here when you deliberately try and manipulate stats like that.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          It’s not often that’s why you have 2 examples and one of them is one of the best pitchers of all time

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Because I don’t compare a pitcher’s numbers in his 20’s with where he will be in his 30’s, nor do I select career years as reasons to pay players absurd amounts of money.

          Hey, I hope your team does similarly stupid things; it will be beneficial to all the teams in the AL Central and those vying for wild card spots. I hope like hell Detroit breaks the bank and pays Skubal and/or Bregman. Or pays another six broken down players like they did Alex Cobb!

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        Apparently some of it is deferred, so the present day value will be lower. That being sad I don’t know if I would have given him that contract.

        Hopefully Pete Walker can do with him, what he did with Robbie Ray, and to a lesser extent Kikuchi. I hope they see something they think they can fix to make him more consistent.

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        • Gmaytag

          1 month ago

          If this keeps them from another major signing then that’s an issue, he’s never won any major award and other than a bunch of K’s he’s a .500 pitcher. Heck he was a 3 or 4 on SD

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          I don’t think that’s a worry. The beat reporters are saying that they’re not close to done yet.

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        Mitch Bannon is reporting the deferrals bring it down to present day value of around 26 million per year. That’s not too bad. That would be like 182 million over 7 years present day value.

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        • Gray Jay

          1 month ago

          Cease and Bieber in 2026 will cost $42 million, just a few million more than Bassett and Scherzer in 2025. Looks like a considerable upgrade to me.

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        • Toronto Blue Jason

          1 month ago

          This was gonna be my point – with the deferrals, they paid $3 million more for Cease than they’ve been paying for Bassitt for the last 3 years. that’s a win, in my books. Without even getting into the whole $1 million to go from Max Scherzer to Shane Beiber thing.

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        • bucsfan0004

          1 month ago

          Seems like a giant waste of money to me, whether it be 7/182 or 7/210.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          Good thing it’s not your money

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Toronto Blue Jason – Both Cbass and Cease had 17 starts allowing 2 or less runs last year and both had 4 blowout starts of allowing 5 or more runs. I’m not saying both are equal I’m just saying Cbass wasn’t as bad as he might of seemed.

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      • rondon

        1 month ago

        Aaron… If that contract was a dinner tab, Tom Ricketts wouldn’t have picked up the tip.

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  4. bhd360

    1 month ago

    LET ROSS COOOOOOK

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  5. andrewc62

    1 month ago

    WOW

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  6. Baltimore_44

    1 month ago

    Jays doing it

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  7. mlbnyyfan

    1 month ago

    Wow. That’s impressive. Crazy 7 years. Starting pitchers don’t deserve this especially after most can’t guarantee more than 5 innings every time.

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    • Yankee Clipper

      1 month ago

      Probably true, but we just did the same with Fried last season.

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      • Bivouac-Sal

        1 month ago

        Yeah but Fried is better

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Sal – Exactly! Over the past 6 years Cease’s ERA is nearly a full run higher than Fried’s.

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        • Floridacoach 2

          1 month ago

          The Jays roasted Fried this year, so when they face each other there’ll be no excuses!!!

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Fried is also 2 years older. And if NY wanted Cease they might have gotten him for less. And we have to see what deferrals are.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          AI – Boras wouldn’t give the Yankees a discount, why should he?

          True on the deferrals, although the Jays aren’t really known for heavy deferrals.

          Two years age difference is not really a big deal IMO.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Who said anything about Boras giving Yankees discount

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        • DolemiteisMyname

          1 month ago

          test

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          AI – How else would the Yankees have gotten him for less?

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          I’m not a talent agent or accountant but if taxes are lower in NY they could get him for less. Or cost of living. Or he prefers living working in USA. If endorsements are better. If post career opportunities are more lucrative as a former Yankee. If his wife loves NY.

          Most players go wherever they can make the most $. But the most $ isn’t just the contract a team gives them. And if the most $ isn’t drastically more many will take a bit less to play work live where they want to.

          Most of the time every team should have a different price. If he or his wife was from Boston and taxes are lower there Boston you would guess get him for a lesser amount than NY. But at a certain number 10 20 whatever million he isn’t going to care his family is in Boston.

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      • This one belongs to the Reds

        1 month ago

        You could call it a turkey of a deal.

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      • Dimitri_in_LA

        1 month ago

        Risky deal from the outset. Year 1 was a success.

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    • ThatsIT?

      1 month ago

      More importantly usually get hurt for like 2 of the years

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    • Canuckleball

      1 month ago

      It’s an overpay, to be sure, but virtually all Jays signings have to be overpays. It’s always been that way.

      For what it’s worth, the Jays rotation currently looks something like this:

      Gausman
      Bieber
      Cease
      Yesavage
      Berrios
      —–
      Lauer

      Even if there’s no super dominant ace, That’s a deep rotation which was a noted weakness starting out last season.

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      • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

        1 month ago

        I wonder if the jays have enough prospects for 1 season of Tarik skubal

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        • bigdaddyt

          1 month ago

          they currently have 5 top 100 prospects. Yes they do have the prospects but it’s taken them 10 years to build a decent system would hate to burn it to the ground the second it starts to look good

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        • O-Dawg

          1 month ago

          Gee, I hope so.
          Let’s go Blue Jays.

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        • IamGARY24

          1 month ago

          Trey would have to go

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        • winniejones31

          1 month ago

          I know a LOT about having a good minor league system and then watching it go bye-bye very quickly. My Padres have been an excellent example of this during this decade. But at least we have made the playoffs more than ever as a result so…

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        • beastee

          1 month ago

          The time is now. The east and American league is a bit weak right now and they have Vlad signed in his prime. They should go all in…. especially with all the playoff/world series revenue they got. 100% were willing to overpay for Dylan because of the added revenue.

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        • That Baseball Fan

          1 month ago

          The Padres system is thought to be weak right now, but is it really? Somehow the talent still seems to be developing. If it dries up, I’ll agree with you, but so far it seems like the Padres are backfilling well.

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        • winniejones31

          1 month ago

          That’s what I’ve been hearing recently. I hope it’s true! I like what Preller did with last year’s draft in going for high-achievers – whether they were headed for surgery (Galina) or had somewhat questionable hitting skills (Wideman). And I really like the two catchers as well. And that young shortstop we got in the Milwaukee trade could be very big for us in a few years. Mendez looks promising too.

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        • winniejones31

          1 month ago

          I meant Salina (Michael) and not Galina.

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        • Mr. Pessimist

          1 month ago

          Absolutely not.

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    • Rays in the Bay

      1 month ago

      That’s the going rate for top pitchers these days. You can thank the Dodgers and Yankees.

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      • tomahawnkytonk

        1 month ago

        Don’t forget Scott Boras’s role

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    • yanks2323

      1 month ago

      The reality is they had to go that far or someone else would have. If Dylan can be what Gausman was for the next 5 years, its worth it.

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  8. Dustyslambchops23

    1 month ago

    This seems a bit rich of a deal and only Heyman has it so I will wait until more comes

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    • ks

      1 month ago

      Pasan just announced it.

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    • Darthyen

      1 month ago

      I agree it is a bit rich. Not to mention the fact of the draft picks it will cost and if, and most likely will, push the Blue Jays into the second tax bracket (after a few more signings) forcing the loss of another draft pick and bumping them to a 80% tax rate as a second time payer.

      I was hoping for Ranger Suarez.

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      • Darthyen

        1 month ago

        The mentioning of the draft picks was more or less like an…”hey there is also this too”. .

        In saying that, the draft picks do have some value as the Blue Jays want sustained winning and that requires hitting on some draft picks, so the more draft pics the more chance of hitting on one.

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      • Mr. Pessimist

        1 month ago

        Draft picks in MLB are basically useless. A team is more likely to strike gold on a player drafted in the 10th or lower rounds than the top 3. Big deal. Developing strong professional everyday MLB players is much more involved than compared to the NHL, NBA and NFL!

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          A team is more likely to strike gold on a player drafted in the 10th or lower rounds than the top 3

          I ? this

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          We are here talking about a pitcher that was taken in the 6th round.

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  9. vacommish

    1 month ago

    Guess that’s enough to cover the higher taxes, though compared to California, it might not be that bad. Guess this helps sign Bichette.

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    • ThatsIT?

      1 month ago

      Why would it help sign Bichette?

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      • ks

        1 month ago

        It shows the Jays want to contend, now they have more pieces, Bichette is more likely to return to a better team.

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        • ThatsIT?

          1 month ago

          So it puts them on equal footing with every other team who is in on the top free agents. So in other words doesn’t help.

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        • Ted

          1 month ago

          The Jays have a top 5 payroll, signed Vladdy to a $500M deal, and took a lead to the 9th inning in Game 7 of the World Series. I don’t know all of Bichette’s considerations but Toronto’s willingness to contend can’t possibly be hurting them.

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        • O-Dawg

          1 month ago

          Open the checkbook, Ross. Ed has the money.

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        • IamGARY24

          1 month ago

          and were bridesmaids on Soto and Ohtani. Nobody questions their desire to spend.

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        • winniejones31

          1 month ago

          I don’t know. The Blue Jays are damn good. I see them keeping Bichette.

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        • DolemiteisMyname

          1 month ago

          I see Bichette cut his hair. The money he saves on electricity not using his blow dryer is cost effective.

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        • DolemiteisMyname

          1 month ago

          They were inches away from winning. But the Baseball Gos said NOPE. not this year Canada

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    • vtadave

      1 month ago

      Taxes are a bit higher in Ontario than CA…

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      • jamesbn

        1 month ago

        I don’t know why all players with these huge deals don’t try and defer to beat the taxes.

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        • KamKid

          1 month ago

          James, I think that would depend on where they intend to live post playing career if they know that already. Some players who have home addresses in low tax jurisdictions will take more of their salary in signing bonuses too. With the potential labor stoppage, some players might try to collect on signing bonuses so they get paid even if games are missed.

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        1 month ago

        Ontario is in CA

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        • pingston

          1 month ago

          Actually, Ontario, California was founded by a guy from Brockville, Ontario. Pioneered orange farming there…

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          1 month ago

          Was he le grand orange?

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        • Another Dodgers Fan

          1 month ago

          They were good oranges too. I may or may not be fairly local to the area…

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        • NashvilleJeff

          1 month ago

          @Theo: I don’t think anyone caught your Rusty Staub reference………………….

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          1 month ago

          You did!

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        • DolemiteisMyname

          1 month ago

          I think he’s referring to Ontario CANADA

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    • kingken67

      1 month ago

      This signing puts them $20M over the CBT mark already which puts them in the second tier of penalties already. Not sure they’re going to jump past that tier completely with one more signing, which is where Bichette would put them. Especially when they need at least a couple more pieces.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        ken – For one year they probably won’t care, they’ve got a good amount coming off the books after next season like the Springer contract.

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        • kingken67

          1 month ago

          Yeah I didn’t factor that in. And with the deferrals that drops the AAV a little too. I’m sure they’d try to work in some deferrals with Bichette as well.

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        They are definitely signing another big bat (at least they plan to). They’ve been in on both Tucker and Bichette from the start and it was reported they were planning on signing a starter on top of one of them.

        It was also reported they are planning on putting all of their World series run revenue back into the team. They have a bunch of payroll coming off at the end of this season, so they can afford to go over the usual for one year.

        This probably does make it a lot more likely the bat is going to be someone like Bichette rather than Tucker though. He’s going to be a fair bit more expensive. Cease and Bo combined will likely end up costing around the same amount Tucker will.

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    • Gmaytag

      1 month ago

      Bichette hopefully going to Cubs!!

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    • bullred

      1 month ago

      Yeah you pay higher taxes in places that have a higher standard of living and can offer you more. If you don’t like it it move or don’t move there in the first place.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Yeah you pay higher taxes in places that have a higher standard of living

        I don’t believe that to be true at all. The more you pay in taxes the less you have to spend on living because it went to the taxes instead of the living. Maybe I am wrong but I try to pay as little in taxes as possible so I can live even better.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      1 month ago

      That be nuts, crazy high cost of living in Canada even the coins are loony

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        I prefer their coins though. The purity is superior to the American South African Austrian Australian. And they are cheaper compared to American especially.

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  10. raz427

    1 month ago

    Job isn’t finished vibe? Love how they are being aggressive. Good for baseball.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 month ago

      raz – They recognize when the window is open, and unlike the Orioles they aren’t gonna waste the opportunity.

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      • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

        1 month ago

        They also have a ton of revenue being Canadas team and being backed by Rogers so of course they should be a top 10 spender

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          sad – Yes they definitely “should”, however sometimes when corporations are in charge they tend to go cheap because their first priority is not to fans but to shareholders.

          We kinda learned that in Boston with FSG, unfortunately.

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        • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

          1 month ago

          That is 100% right that’s why mookie and bogaerts and devers aren’t in Boston anymore

          FSG should be able to spend much more but they don’t, same is somewhat true with Hal Steinbrenner even though they are 3rd in payroll

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Sad – Same thing with Mariners too, right? Doesn’t First Avenue Entertainment run the show with Stanton as the chairman? After taking over from Nintendo?

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      • raz427

        1 month ago

        Fever, Dodger fan here but Jays outplayed them every facet of the game. It came down to the big hit which they never got when it counted. Helluva team and effort. Got nothing but respect to those guys. Would love to see another classic like this year for both squads.

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        • Bivouac-Sal

          1 month ago

          “Jays outplayed them every facet of the game.”

          Except one. The only one that counts. Wins.

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        • DolemiteisMyname

          1 month ago

          They would of won it in game 6 if a runner on 3B would of took one more step of a lead.. He would have been safe at HP

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        • Bivouac-Sal

          1 month ago

          Now that’s championship caliber baseball.

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        • Bivouac-Sal

          1 month ago

          Would “have”

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          raz – I totally agree, it was a great World Series. I think it also came down to postseason experience, the Dodgers made the plays when they needed to because they don’t panic, they don’t feel the pressure.

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        • Bivouac-Sal

          1 month ago

          As a rabid Dodger fan I’d like to believe “they don’t feel the pressure.” But I don’t think that is realistic. But they do seem to rise to the occasion when the pressure is on, more often than not. But Vladdy and Bo and Gausman, and Springer and Barger and the rest all played just as well under the WS pressure. We all know the Series could have gone either way. That’s why it was so damn entertaining, even for folks who don’t root for the Jays or Dodgers.

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        • raz427

          1 month ago

          Correct. Wins matter, nothing else.

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        • raz427

          1 month ago

          No doubt in my mind but baseball is a game of inches right? That’s what we are taught as kids all the way to adults.

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        • raz427

          1 month ago

          Fever, I don’t normally post on here (more active on NFL/NBA, but I do read everyone’s comments on 95% of the topics) and I enjoy your thoughts on here. Baseball is truly the best sport in the entire world. Just glad we all were entertained.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          raz – Thank you and I totally agree about baseball.

          Happy Thanksgiving!

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        • Mr. Pessimist

          1 month ago

          A stupid base running miscalculation and perhaps not even an inch was the difference. Although IKF’s toe sure seemed to be on the corner of the plate at the same time Smith’s foot came back down. The rule of thumb is tie goes to the baserunner. Basically, MLB didn’t want the Dodger$ to lose the WS on that play.

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        • Mr. Pessimist

          1 month ago

          Jays win in 5 if everyone is healthy (Bichette, Springer, Bassitt, etc).

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        • Mr. Pessimist

          1 month ago

          That was game 7 my friend.

          Game 6 was the bad read by Barger.

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        • Another Dodgers Fan

          1 month ago

          For a pessimist you sure seem positive on these takes.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Inches are very important to my wife who’s a baseball fan.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          For a pessimist I’m pretty optimistic. Good song but awesome song title.

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        • Bivouac-Sal

          1 month ago

          another conspiracy moron

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      • DolemiteisMyname

        1 month ago

        But is the roof closed?

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  11. 10centBeerNight

    1 month ago

    Great to see. Jays reinforcing position as class of division

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    • danumd87 2

      1 month ago

      Exactly the opposite. They just locked so much money into a #4 sp that they’ve all but guaranteed they’ve lost ground to the rest of the division. The entire AL East is rejoicing right now

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      • El Kabong

        1 month ago

        I seriously doubt the rest of the division is rejoicing.

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        • DrCox

          1 month ago

          They aren’t trembling either.

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      • Raps902420

        1 month ago

        He’s durable, strikes out a lot of batters and is about to have the best defense hes ever had in the majors playing behind him. This is a great signing.

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        • bigdaddyt

          1 month ago

          Not to mention the pitcher whisper in Pete Walker.

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        • winniejones31

          1 month ago

          That’s how I’m leaning. Cease was great in 2024. Fantastic really. Hoping he gets back to those numbers.

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        • Astros_fan_in_Aus

          1 month ago

          The best defence ?? Bichette is the worst SS in all of baseball to start with, and the other 3 infielders are just ok.

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        • gomer33

          1 month ago

          You mean the guy with the highest dWAR in baseball in Clement and Andrés Giménez who basically wins the GG if he plays all year. Vlad is underrated also because his arm is not the arm you see at 1st. I hope you aren’t a Jays fan because that is embarrassing.

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        • C-Daddy

          1 month ago

          They had the best team defense in baseball by a pretty wide margin based on virtually every defensive stat. But yeah, they are just ok.

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      • kmac 2

        1 month ago

        Not my money…Sign everyone!!

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        • DolemiteisMyname

          1 month ago

          They get their money from you don’t they?

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      • gomer33

        1 month ago

        #4sp? I’ll have what you’re smoking..

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      • NationalNightmare

        1 month ago

        I don’t see how this comment could possibly age poorly

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        • West Coast Blue Jay

          1 month ago

          Re-sign Bo and a couple of good relievers and let’s get ready for spring

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      • TheBoatmen

        1 month ago

        Somebody is jealous that their team didn’t get him.

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      • mainesox

        1 month ago

        C’mon, #4? I’m not a big fan of this signing – too many years and too high AAV – but Cease is pretty clearly a solid #2-3. I don’t think it ages well, and I question how it impacts the rest of their offseason, but Cease is a good pitcher and I’m not looking forward to the Sox having to face him several times a year for the next few seasons at least.

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      • DolemiteisMyname

        1 month ago

        lol That contract will not end well

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      • pingston

        1 month ago

        Correct, the Jays owner also owns 75% of the hockey Maple Leafs, the NBA Raptors, TFC soccer club, Toronto Argonauts CFL football, and Toronto Marlies (American Hockey League), and apparently have an option to buy the other 25% in 2026. Own TV networks, radio networks, etc. They want to win.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          1 month ago

          What’s a Marlie ?

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  12. dvmin98

    1 month ago

    Wow..Grave overpay. Enjoy 2 good games out of every 8

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    • coldbeer

      1 month ago

      Fans of every team who didnt get the guy always say stuff like this lol maybe next time big guy. Jays mean business

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      • Moff_Nick

        1 month ago

        When the fans who actually watched him pitch every fifth day last year aren’t sad to see him go it should be a red flag my guy

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        • coldbeer

          1 month ago

          Past is the past my dude. Future is now! Jays World Series or bust!

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        • gomer33

          1 month ago

          If you are a fan of the Padres and thought he was staying then you are not much of a baseball mind my guy.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          1 month ago

          Bad teams don’t win 90 games.

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      • dvmin98

        1 month ago

        I’m a Padres fan. I lived it for 2 years

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        • Simm

          1 month ago

          I don’t think you will find a single Padres fan that would have been happy to give him this deal or even a 1/30m deal.

          Padres appreciate him as dude and throwing a no hitter. Outside of that though he always felt like he was more of a let down.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          1 month ago

          The Mariners are going to enjoy hitting homeruns off Cease.

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Padres can’t afford anything other than to wave goodbye.

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      • Cman-infinity

        1 month ago

        No I concur. Dude has great arm and durable but results r results

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  13. Moff_Nick

    1 month ago

    Cease wasn’t the best putcher on the padres last year even though most of the starring rotation was hurt. 200 mil is a big risk

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    • bullred

      1 month ago

      Cease had a 3.4fWar on a down year which was right behind Nick Pivetta’s 3.7 fWar. That would be huge on the Jays. Right behind Gausman’s 4.1 fWar.

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      • dvmin98

        1 month ago

        And its not gonna get better. And def not worth $30mil a year.

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  14. chandlerbing

    1 month ago

    Jesus $210mil?
    How long before this becomes a very disappointing contract? 2 yrs? 3?

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    • ThatsIT?

      1 month ago

      Generally speaking it’s usually the second after it’s signed

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    • bigdaddyt

      1 month ago

      This Jays regime doesn’t spend bad money on pitchers in FA. Ryu could be considered a good signing as it showed they were out of a rebuild and pitched well at the start. Other than him the last one I can think of that was a bad signing was going way back to BJ

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      • DolemiteisMyname

        1 month ago

        BigDaddy-You’r e a Jay’s fan yo’u’re blind

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        • bigdaddyt

          1 month ago

          But yet you can’t name a bad FA pitching signing. I was a huge Ross hater but he’s brought in and gotten value out of Ryu, Ray, Walker, Gausman, Bassit, Lauer. Roark is the only head scratcher

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    • ThatsIT?

      1 month ago

      And if they don’t?

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  15. wvsteve

    1 month ago

    Wow Awesome for jays fans

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  16. Tavo

    1 month ago

    The stove it’s starting early this year.

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  17. TheRickestRick

    1 month ago

    Is he officially on a flight to Toronto yet?
    If not, I don’t believe it

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    • gomer33

      1 month ago

      This has been done to death, less funny every time the jays break out the wallet.

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  18. Southsidehitmen

    1 month ago

    30 million? Reliable and good strikeout ability but not dominant enough for that contract

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      It’s Toronto and deferrals so not really 30m.

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  19. Joemo

    1 month ago

    Love TOR going for it, but man that has potential to be a bad deal if it’s 210MM USD.

    If it is 210MM USD, then the price for good pitching has taken another big leap and I’m not too upset about Gray anymore.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      1 month ago

      It’s always USD, no contracts would ever be in CAD

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        It’s 210 for Toronto and has deferrals allegedly. If NY ATL Texas Florida signed him the prices would likely be all different.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          What does that even mean AI

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Means what I said

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          It doesn’t make any sense though at face value. Can you be a little more specific.

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    • ThatsIT?

      1 month ago

      Please cite another time in the history of baseball when a contract wasn’t in USD.

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      • Roll

        1 month ago

        In general, when a foreign player signs a contract to play outside the United States and most of Canada, it’s reasonable to expect them to be paid in the local currency. Paying a Korean baseball player in the KBO in U.S. dollars, for instance, would be impractical.

        But who am i to think baseball is played anywhere outside of the USD.

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        • ThatsIT?

          1 month ago

          My bad should have said mlb.

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    • jimmy_dugans_tears

      1 month ago

      If it’s 210 million ¥en then it’s a bargain

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    • pingston

      1 month ago

      ALL MLB contracts are in US dollars.

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    • Darthyen

      1 month ago

      No it’s 21M for Boston.
      The total deal, buyouts, yearly salary plus the kicker add up to 41M BUT St. Louis is kicking in 20M in the deal making it a net cost of 21M for Boston.

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    • Darthyen

      1 month ago

      Do you even read? NOBODY said Sonny Gray wasn’t getting paid 41M. As a matter of fact my post makes it clear he is getting 41M (21 from Boston and 20 from St. Louis)

      wabsoulsurfer said BOSTON is only paying 21M for him which is correct. Then you called him an idiot so I corrected you but you obviously can’t handle that.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      1 month ago

      The Red Sox are paying Gray $21 million. The Cardinals are paying $20 million of his $41 million salary. Not a difficult thing to understand.

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  20. Yankee Clipper

    1 month ago

    Well, despite Cease having some disparity in his numbers from year-to-year, I think this is a good signing. Blue Jays were already a good team (obviously), but this is certainly being aggressive in the right area. Nice job, Blue Jays.

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    • dlj0527

      1 month ago

      I tend to look at durability and starts a season first when I look at a starting pitcher before I look at W-L, ERA, K/9 and BB/9 kind of numbers. He has age on his side but I’m okay with Red Sox trading for Gray over trying to sign Cease. Would’ve been nice to have both but one is better than somebody else getting them both.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Everyone has some disparity. Cease has been pretty consistent so not seeing anything out of the ordinary.

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    • Gmaytag

      1 month ago

      7 years and he’s 7 games over .500, last few years era over 4 and that gets $30m per?!? Skenes and Skubal are dancing in the street.

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        GMs don’t really sign guys based on win loss records or even ERA these days. There are a lot of better indicators on whether a player will do well going forward than those two stats.

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        • sportneter

          1 month ago

          97,118,94 last 3 season ERA+, paying an average pitcher 30mil/year RIP

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          He had an expected ERA of 3.46 last year according to statcast.

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      • Brew88

        1 month ago

        Skenes and Skubal are looking at 10/$500M, in this market

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        With the deferred money, it’s closer to 26 million per year present value.

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    • bullred

      1 month ago

      Cease has been fairly consistent by Fangraphs –
      2021 – 4.5 War
      2022 – 4,4 War
      2023 – 3.6 War
      2024 – 4.7 War
      2025 – 3.4 War
      I think it will work out ok.

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      • bullred

        1 month ago

        As a comparison Max Fried has a 17.7 fWar over the last 5 years and Cease has a 20.6 fWar. Both great pitchers and both having inconsistent years.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Strike outs consistent. Unfortunately walks are as well. Hr fly ball line drive exit velocity basically everything that has usefulness. Era varies widely as it should. Not everyone is Paul Skenes who by the way is trending downward. I wouldn’t give him a 1000 year contract.

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          I think if you are Boras you are not pushing Cease as the best pitcher in baseball. Your pushing him as the most durable pitcher. A workhorse that gives your team a chance to win and 3.4 war on a down year. 26 mil is not a lot to pay for that in today’s salary structure.

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  21. James Midway

    1 month ago

    Holy overpay Batman

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Not at all

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      • James Midway

        1 month ago

        It is. He gets a lot of Ks and has been durable. But he also gets absolutely lit up, all the time. Plus you are paying for a year plus of the inevitable TJ.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Out of 32 games only 4 did he give up more than 4 runs. We have completely different definitions of all the time.

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        • James Midway

          1 month ago

          I saw him pitch in person many times. Last year he would be fine with nobody on base, then a walk or a single and he looked like that meme of the dude sweating and control went out the window. I have said many times that his record was part him and part the Padres inability to hit/score. His ERA was 4.5 he was giving up runs.

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        • Brew88

          1 month ago

          He’s essentially Robbie Ray, in every facet of the game. Only much better paid.

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        • Brew88

          1 month ago

          And does more yoga

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Robby Ray won a Cy Young in his season with the Jays

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        • Brew88

          1 month ago

          I know. Cease was 2nd in CYA in 2022, his one great year. The parallels with R, Ray are endless

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          2022 isn’t drastically more great than 2021 23 23 25. Only if you are looking at era does it stand out.

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Robby Ray is getting 25mil this year and Cease will average 26mil after defferals. Is that much better paid?

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    • SteveFinleyEnthusiast

      1 month ago

      Good for him. I didn’t see him getting a deal like this after how last season played out. Hopefully it works out for the Jays within the next year or so.

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  22. Never Remember

    1 month ago

    Wow that’s cheap

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Hilarious

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  23. angt222

    1 month ago

    Can’t see TOR signing Tucker or Bichette after giving Cease $210M.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      1 month ago

      Zero chance they would do this if they had no money to sign a batter.

      Maybe not Tucker but def bo

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    • theporcupine

      1 month ago

      Disagree. I expected 2 big contracts this offseason. The problem is the second big contract means choosing between bichette, outfield, and closer. Not to mention more depth in the ptching.

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      • bighiggy

        1 month ago

        They could probably match up with the cardinals to try and get remero and Donovan. Still have money to sign bichette.

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    • ThatsIT?

      1 month ago

      Pee buster olney of espn you should think of the blue jays like the Yankees, Mets or dodgers

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    • Diggydugler

      1 month ago

      They are definitely signing Bo. Hell they would have given this directly to Bo if it was 1 or the other. Tucker makes less sense and more money.

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    • its_happening

      1 month ago

      Blue Jays better be making another signing for a big bat to justify this massive contract. You go all-in all the way.

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    • Floridacoach 2

      1 month ago

      Watch and listen because Bichette is next!!
      We’re jumping our payroll closer to the Yankees …
      Last year Dodgers $450 million with no is deferred, and the Jays were $242M, and we forced a game 7 in extras… This is just the start of a dynasty 💋💋

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    • georgebell 2

      1 month ago

      The Cease contract will replace the Gausman contract next year. They have money to spend.

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      • its_happening

        1 month ago

        The next year’s signing will replace Gausman. Cease and Bieber replaces Scherzer and Bassitt.

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    • Jaysfansince92

      1 month ago

      People keep saying that, but this isn’t a usual off-season for them. They made a ton of money on that World series run and the plan is to put it all back into the team. They have a bunch of money coming off the books after this season, so they can afford to run a high payroll for one year.

      Their owners are also Rogers, who own the main RNSs in Canada. They made a killing off the World Series run last year. The ratings were through the roof. I’m guessing the GM and the president sold them on the idea of round two on that.

      Their attendance will likely be a lot higher this year overall as well. They didn’t really get going until the middle of the year last season. When the Blue Jays are good, the stands usually fill up.

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      • DolemiteisMyname

        1 month ago

        JayFan- You’re Joyful homerism is beyond Cute.

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          I’m just telling you guys what’s been reported by the media (other than the attendance part, that’s just my prediction based on past years after a deep playoff run).

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      • DolemiteisMyname

        1 month ago

        So will the cost of a ticket said the owners of a Canadian MLB team.

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        • its_happening

          1 month ago

          That is usually the case. And if fans buy the ticket then you don’t have a good argument here so why bother coming at Jaysfan with nothing?

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      • DolemiteisMyname

        1 month ago

        THE RNS in Canada televised the WS??

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      • DolemiteisMyname

        1 month ago

        Don’t you mean RSN ??

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          Yeah RSN.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Jays fan since 92 and doesn’t know a RSN from RNS lol

          Thankfully Dolemite was here to neutralize this before it became a disaster.

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  24. theporcupine

    1 month ago

    Definitely too rich of a contract, but it might have been necessary to get him over the border. I thought they would put this type of overpay towards Imai.

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    • bestone

      1 month ago

      Yeah….just think of all the time he will be spending in line at Customs….

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      • Stealing Signs

        1 month ago

        They don’t spend time at customs. They literally breeze right through,

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Most people are going to factor in taxes cost of living location in where they work. Toronto will have to pay more more often.

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      • bullred

        1 month ago

        Yes Toronto is a premium location and coincidentally there are premium taxes.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          I hope they keep living there.

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  25. Thec’s

    1 month ago

    At least the Blue Jays are trying to win! John Henry must be having a heart attack!

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    • boostreet

      1 month ago

      By spending mega dollars on a #4 starter? He was 8-12 with a 4.55 ERA. They got marginally better, but made it a hell of a lot less likely to get one of their $300m targets. Gag.

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      • Diggydugler

        1 month ago

        Lets wait and see if Bo re-signs before we say “they wont get bo because of this”. I see no correlation between the two.

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        1 month ago

        If you’re going to put down this contract you better be able to go beyond record and era man

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      • smuzqwpdmx

        1 month ago

        Cease is a #4 starter in odd years and a Cy Young contender in even years. It’s a big expensive gamble, but it certainly has a potential payoff. They’re believing more in his FIP than his ERA, which is perhaps somewhat justified with an elite defense.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          I guess with the jays D they hope his results will be closer to his underline metrics, jays were first in dwar in 25, padres were 20th

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        • JerseyShoreScore

          1 month ago

          More like TWO great years and every other season is a back end innings eater.

          Just two CAREER seasons under a 3.91 ERA and 1.24 WHIP.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          In his last 5 seasons he has a 3.72 era, 1106 k’s, 20.6 WAR, and a 3.65 FIP.

          Is he a bonafide ace? No. Is he a reliable high impact picture with top of the rotation stuff? Yes.

          With the jays D, he should be fine and by year 6 or 7 who cares

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        • dlj0527

          1 month ago

          Could he be a healthier Blake Snell without a single CY Young Award and from the right side instead of left side?

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        • winniejones31

          1 month ago

          That’s BIG.

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        • stymeedone

          1 month ago

          Cy Young holds the record for complete games. Dylan Cease has to be introduced to the 7th inning, because he sees it so seldom. How things have changed.

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          Cease reminds me of both Snell and Robbie Ray. Guys that have elite strikeout stuff, but were held back by their control. If the Jays have similar success with Cease in fixing that like they did with Ray, the contract could turn out to be pretty great.

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        • its_happening

          1 month ago

          Cease has #1 stuff. Smuz calling Cease a 4 is ignorant. In a 30 team league he’s a top 50 SP which makes him no less than a 2.

          Dusty I agree on the defense part. One executed pitch is probably the big difference between ace and what he was in 2025.

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        • its_happening

          1 month ago

          Not a bad comparison.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          Yah, I still wouldn’t have given him 7 years lol

          But that’s a problem for 2031 I guess

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  26. ba$eba||F@n21

    1 month ago

    Well I guess that takes Imai off the table for Toronto now.

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    • Stealing Signs

      1 month ago

      In no way shape or form does this take them out of the Imai sweepstakes
      They can trade Berrios if need be..

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      • ba$eba||F@n21

        1 month ago

        Well they can’t be in on Bichette, Tucker and Imai – that’s a lot of coins

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        • Stealing Signs

          1 month ago

          They 100% can be in on all 3. They have a tonne of money coming off the books at the end of 2026 & future payroll. They can afford a CBT hit this year & then it would reset in 27.
          Rogers is the 3rd richest owner in MLB.

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        • ba$eba||F@n21

          1 month ago

          Cease, Bichette, Tucker and Imai will be close to a billion dollars total. When is the last time Toronto has done that? You seriously believe they have the appetite to spend a billion dollars in one offseason?

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          You forgot Diaz as well!

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  27. Seamaholic

    1 month ago

    Man that’s a lot for a 30 year old coming off a below league average season.

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Well well above average season.

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  28. bigmike0424

    1 month ago

    Too funny think players live year around in the city, that they play in when in reality they don’t, few players stay in the state, they play in..

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    • pingston

      1 month ago

      What’s your source for that? Most players on Blue Jays live in US or Dominican in Winter. Living in Florida cuts down tax owing.

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      • bullred

        1 month ago

        In season all Jay’s players live in Toronto. Out of season only Gausman and players born in Toronto stay in Toronto. Not a big deal.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Are we sure the players aren’t using the reptilian network of underground high speed trains and commuting from Texas California Florida etc everyday?

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      You think they are commuting from other states 6 to 7 months out of the year? I suppose some teams you could do that if you don’t mind a hour or two commute.

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      • GASoxFan

        1 month ago

        A large number of MLB players have a home where they want to live year round that has nothing to do with the team they play for, and, maintain a secondary apartment/smaller residence near their home stadium.

        Very few guys actually just have one home and move their family into a big city where they play ball 81 games a year.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          1 month ago

          Google where does (insert your favorite player on a 6-7-8 year contract) live.

          Many have multiple homes but almost always move their family to the city they will be spending most of their time in during that contract. Web is correct.

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  29. louied

    1 month ago

    Im sure Cease will have a better season next year than last but over $200 million over 7 years is a lot even if the underlying stats show he’s better than what the surface stats show. This is an ace level contract for a guy who wasn’t even an ace the year before.

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    • smuzqwpdmx

      1 month ago

      Or it could be a sign that the market has moved and aces will get paid a lot more than this. Or, with the 7 year contract and deferrals beyond that, it’s a bet on high inflation and devaluation of the US dollar.

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      • louied

        1 month ago

        All good points. As much as I wanted the Padres to keep one of their big arms, mainly King, this kind of shows how the market for pitching ain’t going to be cheap. But I rather not watch 7 years of Dylan Cease being inconsistent so have fun Blue Jays fans

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Wait until you see what Skubal Skenes etc get if you think this is a ace contract

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  30. bigmike0424

    1 month ago

    Good deal for blue jays

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    • JayRyder

      1 month ago

      Wow !!!!! Still need a Closer !

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  31. philliesfan215

    1 month ago

    Wow. Good for the jays and their fans.

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    • carlos15

      1 month ago

      $30m a year for a 4 ERA pitcher lol, what a joke

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  32. Simm

    1 month ago

    As someone who has watched cease pitch he maybe the most frustrating to watch this side of first half snell.

    He can literally dominate and then the wheels come off for a few batters. It just seems like it rinses and repeats over and over again.

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    • Brew88

      1 month ago

      5.25 innings per start

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  33. denistaylor

    1 month ago

    He has pretty much Ceased to be a star pitcher so….

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  34. niel.marshal

    1 month ago

    He got more money than Max Fried. Is that means Cease is better than Fried?

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    • dlj0527

      1 month ago

      I think you could make a case for Cease being better but it wouldn’t be an easy case to make. But I also think they are both better than Blake Snell overall because they have been healthier than Snell with Cease being #1 in that area over them both.

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      • bullred

        1 month ago

        Cease is 20.6 fwar over the last 5 years. Fried is 17.7 fwar. over the same time.

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      No. Means they are in different free agent years. Different cities. Different ages.

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  35. GeronimoSon

    1 month ago

    Pretty strong starting staff.. at least seven or eight deep… Cease, Gausman, Bieber, Berrios, Yesavage, Lauer & Francis & Tiedeman waiting in the wings.. Very impressive starting staff…

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    • pingston

      1 month ago

      And if they re-sign Bassitt, who loves Toronto, to operate out of the bullpen it will be a great signing.

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      • NashvilleJeff

        1 month ago

        They might, but would be surprised if Bassitt takes less to move to the pen when he can probably get 2 years of starter’s money from a dozen teams. No QO attached makes him even more valuable.

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  36. Informed Sportsball Discussion

    1 month ago

    Happy travels, Dylan. Thanks for the no-hitter.

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  37. rhandome

    1 month ago

    Damn son

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  38. RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

    1 month ago

    WHAT? Oh man Jays…best of luck with that. He’s durable, but he’ll be driving you crazy with his inconsistency by year 3.

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    • boostreet

      1 month ago

      Already driving me crazy. So surprised by all the Jays fans who like this. Too much money for an average starter. Very disappointing way to see a quarter of a billion dollars spent as it definitely limits other moves. They’re marginally better.

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      • Diggydugler

        1 month ago

        They arent really that much better as a floor but a much higher ceiling and they replaced Max and Bassitt’s payroll with Cease. They still sign Bo…probably wont get a closer unless they swing a big prospect for star closer type trade. As a jays fan it is an overpay I think but nothing I can get angry about…at least not as angry as the WS plays…

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        You just don’t know what a average starter is

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    • jaysfansince1977

      1 month ago

      Who will care if we win it all in 2026???

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  39. drew ford

    1 month ago

    Their ownership corporation has so much money that the cost really doesn’t matter. Well done Toronto. This is called flexing.

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    • boostreet

      1 month ago

      It does matter. They wont just keep throwing out $200M contracts. This was their big one. Gross.

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        Nah. This will be their second biggest one this offseason. Someone even reported it wasn’t completely out of the question that they signed both Tucker and Bo. Given that, I’m pretty sure they can afford Bichette and Cease.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Contracts expire and get replaced. They had free agents this year and will so next year and next year.

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    • Another Dodgers Fan

      1 month ago

      Blue Jays ownership finally figured out winning adds to the bottom line. And that they can use the Dodgers playbook for additional revenue if they constantly win.

      They have an entire country to tap into, just like the Dodgers have Japan and most of the US. Spending money smartly makes more money.

      I think this world series run just untapped the potential for Toronto corporate. It should be interesting to watch how this develops over the next few years.

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      • Darthyen

        1 month ago

        @Another Dodger Fan – The difference between the Dodgers and Blue Jays (current front office) is the Dodgers have success with drafting and developing, also international signing/ developing whereas the Blue Jays do not.

        This Blue Jays front office has never drafted and developed a single pitcher (finished development and went on to have several years of sustained success). This front office never had a successful international signing from the east and only one from the west, Alejandro Kirk. (they have signed several players that were traded and developed under other teams but not developed by Blue Jays)

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        • Jaysfansince92

          1 month ago

          They’re actually getting better with that. They currently have five top 100 prospects (they would have had 6, but they gave up one for Bieber).

          Yesavage has worked out really well obviously.

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        • Darthyen

          1 month ago

          I am not doubting what you are saying but I heard that before and the results are still the same. Hate to be that guy but when I see it I will believe it.

          Yesavage has 9 games (8 starts and 1 relief) under his belt that is not a lot to go off so we will check back on that in 4 years.. 4 years ago Alek Monah was going to be an ace for years to come.so where is he now?

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        • Another Dodgers Fan

          1 month ago

          When they realize spending on the farm system and will help them they will be more consistent with it.

          To be fair, they had a nice group come through with Vlad and Bichette. If you include the potential that Biggio was thought to have, they had a strong nucleus at the time.

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        • Darthyen

          1 month ago

          Actually that is not from the current front office per se.

          Vladdy’s deal was already in place when Shapiro got there..

          Ross Atkins did not want to take Bo in the draft and instead forced them to take another SS that left baseball after 2 years. It was some remaining guys from AA’s era that “pretty much begged Ross” to let them take Bo with the next pick, luckily that was just a couple away from their last pick. All those AA guys were gone within 2 years after they drafted Bo.

          Jansen was drafted by AA.

          Biggio was the only guy I can thing off, from that era, that Atkins was responsible for wanting and drafting.

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  40. mattwild1

    1 month ago

    for a 30 year old off a down year? LOL

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Not a down year at all.

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      • Brew88

        1 month ago

        Not a down year, just his usual mediocre year. Hes only had one ace year out of 7 career years. He’s a #2 or #3 on a good team.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          2 3 is fine. He isn’t getting paid 30m a year for his talent. Toronto is paying that because it’s in another country and has high taxes. As well as to defer some of it. A number that starts with a 3 instead of a 2 is scarier. It’s a fair contract.

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        • Brew88

          1 month ago

          I wasn’t commenting on the contract, billionaires are going to spend as they will. Fans of GMology will react.

          I was commenting on the capabilities of the baseball player as a SP.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          I don’t know where he ranks but top 50 seems pretty safe unless you are using worthless era or bwar.

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  41. cbraves

    1 month ago

    I don’t like this move honestly. I have never been very high on Cease. Seems like too much money. But if the Jays wanted him, it may have took quite an overpay to get him to go to Canada. Maybe it will work out well for them though.

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    • pingston

      1 month ago

      It’s called a ‘bully’ offer (as in real estate) as it causes everyone else to back off and the signing to happen right away… I believe they’re letting Bo get a fell for his market, then will match + 5%…

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  42. mlbdodgerfan2015

    1 month ago

    Seems like an overpay but what do I know.

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  43. Astros_fan_in_Aus

    1 month ago

    Good signing for the Jays, though I was hoping that the Astros would get him. Seven years seems a bit long, but he is pretty durable.

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  44. Hp

    1 month ago

    30 mil a year is insane

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  45. Jose Galvan

    1 month ago

    F Valdez is much better and a lefty….how much is he going to get???

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  46. Candlestoked

    1 month ago

    Jesus! $210M? What kind of tariff will be tacked on that?

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  47. Diggydugler

    1 month ago

    I wont complain as a Jays fan but that seems a bit rich… as long as Bo is back and you get a closer its all gravy.

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  48. zonapadre

    1 month ago

    I’m a Padre fan,good luck to Dylan with the Blue Jays

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  49. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    1 month ago

    Too many years, relatively mid level AAV, all things considered.

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  50. winniejones31

    1 month ago

    Congrats Blue Jays fans! Padres fan here. I hope Cease has a terrific bounce-back season for you guys! I like this signing as the Blue Jays are my second favorite team after the Padres. I love your hitters. I hope you guys re-sign Bichette. If not, my Padres could definitely use him. Really happy about Cease going to Toronto. What else do you guys need? Another SP or two?

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      @winnie- Definitely to re-sign Bo and a pair of better relievers (closer)

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      He was great in 2025. Nothing to bounce back from. If he does that every year Toronto will be thrilled.

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      • Avory

        1 month ago

        He was not “great” in 2025, who are you, his agent? Gimme a break.

        He’s being paid $26m a year and you’ll accept his 2025 every year for THAT?

        Man, fans are delusional.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Absolutely. Most of the data good gms look at he is in the top 70 80 90 percentile. Now the contract is only fair and only for Toronto. I hate to give up draft picks especially for non stars. Hate investing hundreds of millions on pitchers. But if he pitches exactly like he did in 2025 Toronto will be happy. I’m sure they hope to improve his performance but that’s just bonus.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Riiiiight….

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        • bullred

          1 month ago

          Cease would have been the second best pitcher on the Jay’s last year after Gausman. I would take that. If Cease was on the Jay’s last year he probably would have shaved off a run on his ERA with the defence behind him.

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  51. Rowsdower

    1 month ago

    Huge overpay

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  52. Ignorant Son-of-a-b

    1 month ago

    Has he had his Tommy John yet? He is a durable pitcher and rarely gets hurt but he also doesn’t seem to surpass 6 innings much and seems more around 5. Better load up on the bullpen now.

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    • Simm

      1 month ago

      The issue is even when he is on he throws a ton of pitches. Guess that kind of comes with the territory because he is a strikeout pitcher. He does also lose command at some point almost every game.

      High pitch count equals the low innings.

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    • Astros_fan_in_Aus

      1 month ago

      He averaged slightly over 5 innings last season.

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  53. JR_461

    1 month ago

    A little long in the tooth for that kind of deal. Hope it works out for both of em.

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  54. This one belongs to the Reds

    1 month ago

    Crazy to give a pitcher 7 years. Or too many players for that matter.

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  55. RunDMC

    1 month ago

    Just glad AA didn’t overpay for him. Good for the Jays — not resting on their laurels. Bring back Bo!

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      He wasn’t overpaid and Atl probably has lower taxes than Toronto so unless he really wanted to be there Atl would got him even cheaper.

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      • RunDMC

        1 month ago

        The statement of AA overpaying for him has no bearing on the contract he got so much as what I feared AA would dole out to him, considering he’s reportedly been after him for YEARS via trades. Combine that with him being from GA and a nice K-rate that ATL goes for and I really feared AA would break the bank for him, especially since they were after Nola for a lower amount 2 years ago. Boras hates dealing with ATL and I highly-doubt that would have done anything in deferrals, like what he got, but maybe lower GA taxes wouldn’t have needed that…

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        • NashvilleJeff

          1 month ago

          2run: Cease and Ranger Suarez were the 2 I was afraid Atlanta might go after. You know my stance on signing any free agent this off season that has a QO attached to him. “Just say no.” I hope that AA’s not going to squander the PPI pick by signing a QO FA. I’ve got this recurring fever dream that the Braves will win the draft lottery, pick the best college SS at #1, and use the rest of their huge draft pool to have an excellent draft.

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        • RunDMC

          1 month ago

          @Nashville — We’re in agreement, but I don’t think there’s enough interest in Ranger from ATL to warrant the PPI pick, especially if the contract is anywhere near market rate. Maybe if his market is cold and they get him on a high-AAV, short-term deal they could justify it, but I doubt that happens. TBH, not a huge fan of Ranger, but his stuff could age better than someone like Cease, who already has spotty command.

          Fingers crossed for Roch the Bruin. He reminds me of Dansby without the hometown fare.

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          @NashvilleJeff. Glad the hitch hiker didn’t beat you over the head and leave you for dead.

          I would suggest one of the many great trade possibilities. But we all know Atlanta like Houston SD doesn’t have the farm system to make trades. But if they did who you want?

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  56. jhomeslice

    1 month ago

    His numbers make it a risky move for that amount of money, but all else equal it sure solidifies the Jays rotation. He is either a massively overpaid back end #4 starter worst case, or a solid #2/#3 in a good year. 200K’s and at least 160 innings each of the last 5 years is pretty solid durability. Wow that’s a lot of money for him though after a generally subpar year, in a pitchers park no less. An overpay, but almost everybody decent is nowadays,

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      His numbers are worthy of this contract. Got paid what he should have.

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      • Astros_fan_in_Aus

        1 month ago

        Judging by your comments here, you have not looked too closely at his numbers, if at all.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          1.1 fWAR gets you $26m a year for seven years? And people think that’s “worthy”?

          My oh my, Canada must be a wonderful country full of very generous people…

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          Why would I ever look at fwar?

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  57. soxshortstop

    1 month ago

    Agree with a lot of folks. Huge overpay and just messed with the mkt for starting pitching. Jays may get a couple good years but Im guessing there will be a lot of bad or many so-so years.

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    • Appalachian_Outlaw

      1 month ago

      It isn’t an overpay; there is no such thing in regards to free agency. If someone is willing to offer the money the Jays did, that’s the market.

      Personally, not a Jays fan, but I like the signing for them. I think Cease will age fairly well. Plus, if it helps get them a World Series win, it’s worth every penny..

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        Good luck explaining this concept around here.

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        • MuleorAstroMule

          1 month ago

          You can’t expect people who live in a free-market economy to understand free-market economics.

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      • stymeedone

        1 month ago

        Every free agent signing is an overpay. 29 other teams refused to pay that amount. One decided it was a good deal. I will take the consensus opinion.

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Has absolutely zero effect on market. Also not a overpay.

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      • soxshortstop

        1 month ago

        Wrong. Like an overreaction or setting bad criteria for the decision making process has never caused a buying team to have buyers remorse for an overpay. Eyes rolled Good grief…..

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          Everybody knows the future after it happens.

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        • Brew88

          1 month ago

          Prognostorians

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        • BlueSkies_LA

          1 month ago

          Oh, that is good. I am stealing this one.

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      • Astros_fan_in_Aus

        1 month ago

        Another silly comment ? I think you should quit while you are behind.

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  58. SweetLou

    1 month ago

    Lost ground by improving? While the rest of the division has virtually done nothing lol interesting take, bud

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  59. SupremeZeus

    1 month ago

    Tip of the cap to Cease’s agent.

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    • Bart Harley Jarvis

      1 month ago

      Here’s hoping we can all get 7 years at $30M after kinda/sorta pooping the futon.

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        1 month ago

        That’s why you keep rubber sheets on the futon like I do.

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  60. Dustyslambchops23

    1 month ago

    I think it’s an overpay by 1-2 years, which is not that big of a deal really. If this was a 5/150 or a 6/180 no one would really bat an eye.

    Outside of that, the jays rotation for ‘26 is now

    Dylan Cease
    Kevin Gausman
    Shane Beiber
    Trey Yesavage
    Jose Berrios

    With Lauer, Bowden as depth, although I do wonder if this opens up a Berrios trade.

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    • winniejones31

      1 month ago

      So bullpen is next for the Jays?

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        1 month ago

        They need an infielder/bat and another late inning reliever, I’d love Williams

        If they get Bo to a 6/130 and Williams to a 2 years then let’s get the season going

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        • Baseballisthebest

          1 month ago

          Bichette is expected to get in excess of $200 million.

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      My thoughts exactly. Wouldn’t actually mind seeing them move Berrios to shore up a couple of the other needs you mentioned

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    • bullred

      1 month ago

      I would love to get Cease at 5 years for 26M a year. Quite a few teams would be in on that bringing up the final price. It’s not my money so I’m glad the Jay’s got him.

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  61. its_happening

    1 month ago

    It was an overpay, but if all remain healthy we could argue the Jays starting pitching is better than the rotation this past October. Offseason signings continue.

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  62. Non Roster Invitee

    1 month ago

    Dodgers Blue Jays round 2.

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    • Simm

      1 month ago

      Dodger would dream of facing Cease again in the playoffs.

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    • Astros_fan_in_Aus

      1 month ago

      It’s not going to happen. Jays fans need to understand 2025 was a flash in the pan, and is most unlikely to repeat.

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  63. Touch 'em all Joe

    1 month ago

    Wow… that’s a lot of money for someone with an ERA+ under 100 twice in the last 3 seasons. Plus, he is entering his age 30 season. I can only imagine what this deal will look like when he’s 37.

    Maybe the Jays’ brass are confident he can achieve the same success he had in 2022.

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  64. vanswanson

    1 month ago

    Jays are going to regret this pretty quickly

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    • Avory

      1 month ago

      They’ve got about four of those contracts already.

      Shapiro and Atkins didn’t turn into geniuses overnight (or just because they blundered into a World Series).

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  65. Ari Gato

    1 month ago

    Let’s make sure he is on the plane to YYZ, and not “on the plane” to YYZ.

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  66. Bivouac-Sal

    1 month ago

    Say what you want about Cease’s high ERA and somewhat erratic results. He was still the top of the class of the available free agent starting pitchers.

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    • Astros_fan_in_Aus

      1 month ago

      No, Valdez is a much better pitcher.

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      • Toronto Blue Jason

        1 month ago

        Valdez can’t be trusted not to throw a baseball at a teammate with the intent to cause pain. Given the Jays culture, that probably had him taken off the board.

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  67. fred-3

    1 month ago

    Ranger Suarez or Framer would’ve been better options since the Blue Jays need a lefty starter. Cease is a decent #2, but this has the potential to be a disaster. Cease was a mental midget on the Padres and pitched poorly in just about every big game he pitched in these last 2 years.

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    • stymeedone

      1 month ago

      A pitcher who only gives his team 5 1/3 innings per start cannot be considered a #2.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      1 month ago

      Cease has not been a big game pitcher. His starts for the Padres in the playoffs last few years have been lackluster and more or less disappointing. I get it, small sample size. Maybe he can start a new narrative now with the Jays.

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  68. taylor

    1 month ago

    Probably need to add a closer to the wish list, no?

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    • NoSaint

      1 month ago

      @taylor

      Yep. Hoffman isn’t that guy.

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  69. Floridacoach 2

    1 month ago

    Even Scherzer wants to return to Toronto!!!
    It’s funny how those who play in Toronto love it there, love the fan base, and the whole experience!!!
    Those who’ve never been there talk crap!!?
    Wait till we steal the American pastime and make it truly Canadian!!!
    Even Hal “Yankees owner” says the blue Jays are a great franchise and one that has an impressive system!!

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      1 month ago

      Please don’t do this

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    • Bart Harley Jarvis

      1 month ago

      And the opportunity to play in a baseball centre!

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Players love wherever they can make the most $

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    • bestone

      1 month ago

      You would have to factor in the really long lineups at Canada Customs, and having to convert your money into C$. (It’s a real pain getting $1.25 back for every $ given)

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      • pingston

        1 month ago

        Line-ups aren’t long for professional athletes who use the infield terminal…

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      • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

        1 month ago

        Was this a sarcastic post?

        MLB teams fly private (except the guardians…they travel by grey hound if memory serves) and the customs officer comes on the plane and deals with a team official…..

        Also all salaries are paid in US dollars.

        He also pays Florida tax rates for off season and preseason periods (where the jays have the unquestioned best in the world facilities located) and pays tax based on away games in away markets tax impact

        Lastly when he’s living in Toronto he is dealing with an extra 40% on the dollar in exchange in his favour while spending in a country with a considerably lower impact from inflation in comparison to the USA.

        In layman’s a 12 pack of coke….today…..in Toronto is $5.35 USD ($7.50 CAN), $5.97 in Houston, $7.92 in Orlando, $8.84 in New York, $9.97 in La,

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          1 month ago

          I believe the term for what you’re describing is ‘cokenomics’.

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 month ago

          Only thing off better muppet is offseason tax rates, those don’t apply unless their is a signing bonus, salaries are 50% home team state/province and 50% away games

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    • empirejim

      1 month ago

      Cant wait for Canadian fans to learn the rules!

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      • Midinfieldlifer

        1 month ago

        What a dumb comment

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      • pingston

        1 month ago

        Baseball has been played in Canada since 1835 or so. We know the rules, which are changed every year anyway…

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    • GASoxFan

      1 month ago

      The PATH is something else altogether. There’s plenty to like about Canada IMO, and Tim Hortons is nothing to sneeze at. I used to like visiting north of the border when I was closer by.

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  70. mack423

    1 month ago

    $30M AAV doesn’t quite get you what it used to, does it? Though honestly I don’t think this is prohibitively expensive and might just be what $30M gets you on the market these days.

    Compare it to the contracts of Verlander, Wheeler, DeGrom, Cole, etc. (and regardless of if those were “good” or “bad” contracts, it’s what the market gave them), and this actually might look OK in a few years, especially if you believe in his FIP and underlying peripherals being more predictive. Going seven years hurts, but going into his age-30 season he has a good argument for it.

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  71. SoxBruinsSaints

    1 month ago

    That’s a big contract. It takes him off the market for Boston(thank god). Does this mean they won’t pay Bo?

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    • Sabermetric Acolyte

      1 month ago

      I doubt it. For the last few years the Jays have tried making big FA splashes. Unless someone has heard otherwise feel free to correct me, I imagine ownership is fine with opening the wallet if it means another shot at the WS. My guess is they wouldn’t have made a big offer to Cease if it was a choice between him and Bichette. I also have to wonder if this signing just makes it easier to show Bichette the Jays plan on being serious for the next several years.

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  72. carlos15

    1 month ago

    Money isn’t real. What a terrible signing

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  73. Klink

    1 month ago

    OMG deferrals? So unfair!!!!

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  74. leftcoaster

    1 month ago

    Blue Jays are ruining the game!!!

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  75. Atlanta Jack

    1 month ago

    Another ex White SOX Pitcher signs for big bucks. .We know how to get great pitchers we just don’t know how to keep great pitchers.

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  76. manrock

    1 month ago

    Saw a headline. Blue Jays land an ace pitcher. Same pitcher had a 4.55 era last year.

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  77. JerseyShoreScore

    1 month ago

    Only his ERA is bad?

    How about only TWO career seasons of a WHIP below 1.24?

    How about his PUTRID playoff track record.

    Pros: he takes the ball and strikes guys out.

    Cons: everything else.

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    • Avory

      1 month ago

      Psssst….shush…Jays fans think they landed an ace for a mere $26m a year! And for SEVEN years! What a bargain!

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  78. Yankees fan in Chicago

    1 month ago

    Congrats Jays organization and fans !!!! Following up world series appearance with a huge signing …. clearly going all in . Good luck except when playing my Yankees 😜

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  79. AI GM

    1 month ago

    C I don’t hate it. Kinda like it. In Toronto $ it’s a fair contract and a good gamble. Buying pitching is so risky but they almost won the world series so you have to try again if for no other reason to keep that attendance coming.

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  80. Longtimecoming

    1 month ago

    Saves on income taxes too?

    For all of the folks saying he wasn’t going to get a huge contract, well here it is.

    Am I glad my team (SD) didn’t give it to him – oh yes, but to say some team wasn’t going to give it was pure denial of current state of affairs for the value of a DC over the life of his career – sure he had a high era last year but those that know, look at his stats over last 5 years and find that he ranks in top 5 (or better) across all of mlb pitching.

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    • Longtimecoming

      1 month ago

      Check innings, strike outs, starts made, days on IL, top 5 CY votes.

      Don’t just pick the ones that fit your narrative.

      Stability and availability are 2 very highly rated “abilities” web.

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      • Avory

        1 month ago

        Until those qualities disappear, which is often what happens with hard-throwing “durable” types evenutally.

        Of course, he has the “virtue” of only going slightly more than 5 innings per start, so there’s that…

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      • Longtimecoming

        1 month ago

        Everyone gets old for sure. They said, living life in a world where it’s only there until it’s gone approach isn’t a good business model.

        Of course any 7 year plus contract has built in negativity at the end but, it’s expected and taken into account in the decision making process. Like paying taxes when you earn income. You know it’s coming but you don’t want to give up income just because of the taxes.

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    • Longtimecoming

      1 month ago

      Check his k/9 ranking.

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      • Brew88

        1 month ago

        He’s Robbie Ray.

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  81. jerseyjohn

    1 month ago

    A bold move. It seems like an overpay in years and dollars. If they win a ring good move, if not by 2030 people will be dying to get his money off the books.

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  82. longines64

    1 month ago

    I can’t even fathom what Skenes will get paid when his time comes.

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  83. Sabermetric Acolyte

    1 month ago

    Interesting. Nice to see the Jays staying aggressive. But the big question mark for him would be his playoff experience. Four starts, only one was good. Also, just an interesting note, take it as “sour grapes” if you want. Career stats v. Bos, NY, TB… not very good.

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  84. scruffmcgruff

    1 month ago

    I was hoping my O’s would be in on him but at that price I can understand not going all in. Though at some point we’ll have to open the checkbook for someone. Cease certainly has amazing stuff, not the greatest control over it though. Good for him for getting that payday and for a team that was literally a handful of plays from being World Series Champs as well.

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  85. BlueSkies_LA

    1 month ago

    The GMs should be coming here for player evaluations. Everybody here knows a whole lot more about what players are worth than the people who are spending the money.

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      1 month ago

      And we can see how badly that worked out for them. Like I said, everybody here knows way more than the people who are spending the money.

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      • MuleorAstroMule

        1 month ago

        It’s pretty simple. Instead of players like this teams should only sign the plentiful cheap aces that never get hurt. Then the owners could lower ticket prices and give us all unicorns.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        I want a pony. Why can’t I have a pony?

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      • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

        1 month ago

        @BlueSkies It’s called “The Wisdom of Crowds” LOL . You poll a big enough sample size and the crowd usually gets the answer right.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        95 percent of people on here are still using era

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        I call it a real-world example of Sturgeon’s Law. If you are unfamiliar with this, you should look it up. I’m sure you’ll get a laugh out of it and start seeing instances of it everywhere you look.

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      • Brew88

        1 month ago

        Odd time to bring up fishing regulations

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        1 month ago

        Stupid Canada and their barbless hooks.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        “It’s what’s for dinner.” ™

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        The Sturgeon General should recuse themselves on these matters.

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      • Avory

        1 month ago

        As well they should when a pitcher so consistently underperforms his underlying metrics, which Cease insists on doing. Stubborn man, always putting his team in position to lose when it looks all the world like he should be winning.

        Teams would do well to put steak not sizzle on the mound if they are interested in consistently good results. Dylan Cease is not that guy, and certainly not at $26m per year.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        You’re giving me a haddock.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Your head may hurt but it’s krilling me! We can talk when you feel better just let minnow.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        Are you Finnish? You need kelp.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        For heaven’s hake. Admit you are enjoying this. If you say you aren’t I say you are full of carp.

        Ps to anyone reading this thinking life can’t get any worse and you are having thoughts of harm. You need to snapper out of it. You are rock bottom. Things can only go up from herring.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        Is that your sole answer? You seem to be floundering.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Are you squidding me?

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        No it’s just a fluke. The next one down the pike.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        I’m getting bored with this. Sorry. But if you need it for entertainment I will suck it up and keep going. Pike was pretty good though. Good enough to end on I hope lol But shame on the other commenters for not participating.

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      • BlueSkies_LA

        1 month ago

        No need to be so crabby. You could just say I surrender, just for the halibut. 😁

        Seriously we do usually have a number of punsters willing to chime in.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        No time to flex my mental mussels. I’m watching a documentary on the Muskegee seamen.

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  86. Non Roster Invitee

    1 month ago

    Fangraphs #3 on their free agent tracker off the board.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      1 month ago

      What makes their free agent tracker any better than anyone else’s??

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  87. ColoradoRider

    1 month ago

    This is a terrible contract! What the Hell were the Jays thinking??? Frontline starter money for a second tier pitcher? This is ruining the market for pitchers who actually deserve it!

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    • mack423

      1 month ago

      Frontline starter money is now ~$40M

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  88. dlj0527

    1 month ago

    A’s and Red Sox are my teams. I’m just glad he didn’t sign with Dodgers or Yankees. 🙂

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    • empirejim

      1 month ago

      Dodgers are glad he didnt sign with the Dodgers…

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  89. chipper54

    1 month ago

    Since his no hitter in mid 2024 something happened to cease. He finished 2024 poorly. He was owned in playoffs in 2024. He was pretty dominant the first 2 times through the lineup in 2025. Horrible after. Sometimes horrible time and a half through the lineup.

    Lots of ks. But when he loses it he has a really hard time fighting through and getting it back.

    Maybe a change of scenery and some offense support early in games will help him keep from feeling like he can’t give up a run or two and lose. Will definitely benefit from a better offense.

    A million a start. King is better if his injuries were flukes.

    Padres are gonna be an 85-90 win team this year unless the hitters they are paying mega to hit like they are being paid

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      1 month ago

      Facts, I love facts. I wish I was more efficient in looking them up though.

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  90. coldbeer

    1 month ago

    Cease will love the positive defensive impact on his ERA, as long as there aren’t any more major changes to the guys behind him. Considering Bo is most likely out the door at least the Jays proved while he was hurt last year they could provide top shelf defensive support. Gausman is up after next year so the investment long term is critical. No point in giving Vlad lifetime deal and not have solid starters throughout. Good signing. Maybe expensive but he was getting that somewhere and im glad it was Toronto who got him.

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    • seamaholic 2

      1 month ago

      Haha. He was not getting that elsewhere. What you have here is a classic early off-season overpay. They could have gotten him for this amount any time, and certainly for less as time went by. Lucky lucky man.

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    • Informed Sportsball Discussion

      1 month ago

      Third worst walk rate of 52 qualified starting pitchers in 2025, per Fangraphs. That defense should come ready to work. ( blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-render-unto-cease-wh… )

      A 2025 Dylan Cease start was “lights out through three innings, walk two guys leading off in the fourth, home run, take 30 pitches to get out of the inning, done before completing 5 innings”. I hope for your sake that’s not the case in 2026.

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      • NashvilleJeff

        1 month ago

        Wasn’t it mentioned several times in this thread that he averaged 5.25 innings per start in 2025?

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  91. empirejim

    1 month ago

    That’s an overpay for a #3-4 starter,,,, King is the better pitcher imho. Cant wait to face Cease in the playoffs.

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    • Avory

      1 month ago

      King is by far the better pitcher but Dylan Cease is by far the better “shower-upper’er” and that does count for something.

      But if King is healthy, I’d much, much, MUCH rather face Dylan Cease than him, no question.

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  92. xpensivewinos

    1 month ago

    EVERYONE; No way can the Blue Jays hand out a worse contract than the Santander deal from last year.

    BLUE JAYS: Challenge accepted!!!

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      Nonsense! Santander was a brutal signing, this one isn’t. Santander had one big season and foolishly they signed him.

      Cease has been steady since entering the league other than the ERA. All the other stats on him show his consistency. 7years is a little long maybe but year 7 he is 37yrs old not 42.

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      • ClevelandSteelEngines

        1 month ago

        “Cease has been steady since entering the league other than the ERA”

        That’s a big IF there bubb. But good luck anyway.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          @Midinfieldlifer

          That’s the same as saying that “Cease has been steady entering the league other than the results.”

          You know what Cease has been steady at? Underperforming his underlying metrics. It’s now a feature of his game not an outlier.

          He loses on the scoreboard despite looking good doing it. And THAT’S worth $26m a year for the next seven years? Sorry, not buying it.

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      • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

        1 month ago

        Santander was hurt. In theory we gotta give him another chance.

        But if he went to Cleveland in a Kwan deal (part of it) and we signed Tucker…..I would take it.

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      • MuleorAstroMule

        1 month ago

        Santander didn’t have one big season. He had three consistently good seasons in a row with wRCs of 121, 118, and 128 before he got hurt.

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        • Midinfieldlifer

          1 month ago

          Well thats debatable. Wouldn’t call the other two big seasons just decent. Point is first year of the deal was a huge bust and he is another year older

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        • MuleorAstroMule

          1 month ago

          I didn’t say they were big seasons. I said he had three consistently good seasons which he did as evidenced by the stats I provided. I don’t know what there is to debate about that. He had above-average production in every one of of those seasons.

          The point is not that he’s “a huge bust.” This is a new point brought up in your second comment. The point I was addressing is you were incorrect in your assessment of Santander’s performance. This makes your implication that the Jays “foolishly” signed Santander due to one good year incorrect.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          It’s not incorrect when that bat is slowing as much as it is. He’s cooked and the Jays should have seen it coming. He was cheating on fastballs in order to put up power numbers he knew he needed to fool some team into a fat contract.

          Enter the Jays. And now after overpaying Hoffman and Santander, and foolishly taking on Gimenez, here comes Dylan Cease. Hoo-boy.

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  93. tangerinepony

    1 month ago

    As a brewers fan, I’m happy he didn’t sign with the cubs. Not that they could afford him or anything

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  94. King Floch

    1 month ago

    What a silly contract for an inconsistent guy like Cease.

    Toronto was clearly desperate not to get Ohtani’d again.

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      Other than his ERA. He is actually quite consistent across the board

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      • Brew88

        1 month ago

        6 of 7 career years he’s been mediocre, that’s fairly consistent

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        • Midinfieldlifer

          1 month ago

          Almost 17 wins above replacement on 5 full seasons is far from mediocre. That’s called “consistently” above average

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      • Astros_fan_in_Aus

        1 month ago

        Actually his ERA is quite consistent. Consistently below average.

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        • Midinfieldlifer

          1 month ago

          What do you think is an average MLB pitchers era coz his sure isn’t below average. Refer to above comment on his wins above replacement. Dude is better than you seem to think he is

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        • Midinfieldlifer

          1 month ago

          I will save you a few mins looking it up. 4.25era is the average. His career era is 3.88 enough said

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Now do average salary and raise it by the percentage it takes you to 3.88…

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        • Midinfieldlifer

          1 month ago

          Have at it. He was talking ERA

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  95. twentyfivemanroster

    1 month ago

    Lots of money for inconsistency. Well, there’s the consistency that he has had mediocre odd years seasons.

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  96. chipper54

    1 month ago

    The dodgers are paying the deferrals on the contract to have another team in the deferral club

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  97. Tommygunn44

    1 month ago

    That is a long time and alot of money for a guy who’s posted 4.5+ era’s in 2 of the last 3yrs

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    • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

      1 month ago

      Led the league in k’s per nine…… that’s stat made me feel good, as your right….some of the others are not pretty.

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    • Appalachian_Outlaw

      1 month ago

      ERA isn’t the greatest statistic to measure a pitcher’s performance, as it is influenced by aspects beyond a pitcher’s control. While an error by a defender doesn’t penalize a SP’s ERA, a subpar defense can inflate it. Ballpark factors matter, too. Plus, there is no measurement for how many times a SP has a big lead, or is trailing big, and gives up homers by putting it over the plate a little more to get deeper into a game.

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      • Avory

        1 month ago

        1. He pitched in San Diego
        2. He gets hard hit when hitters hit him.
        3. Padres had good defense
        4. He doesn’t go deep into games.
        5. He looks good losing games.

        Other than that, he’s a big deal. I guess.

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  98. JoseCruz68

    1 month ago

    Ouch $30 million a year! Yikes

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  99. Barstool Rodeo

    1 month ago

    Good to see the Blue Jays mean business! Nice move 👍

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  100. DanFan

    1 month ago

    Madness

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  101. seamaholic 2

    1 month ago

    What does this mean for Bichette? If they pay Bo too they are WAY up there into the tax.

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    • jaysfansince1977

      1 month ago

      Who cares, Roger’s has plenty of money, let them spend it on the Jays!!!

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    • Rsox

      1 month ago

      Not necessarily. The Jays have $63.7 million coming off the books next winter with Springer, Gausman, and Bieber and could have another $24.7 if Berrios opts out. They could back load a deal for Bichette and still be fine

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      • jaysfansince1977

        1 month ago

        Money means nothing, Jays can sign Bo, Tucker and Diaz and will in my mind!!! Jays are the 2026 Dodgers, can not wait to here what the differal’s are!!!

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      Very deep pockets and this is what being so close to winning it all will do. Signing Bichette just became easier because of the Cease signing

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  102. eznod

    1 month ago

    LET’S GET THIS PARTY STARTED!!

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  103. mad1

    1 month ago

    The Toronto deferrals

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  104. Spaced-Cowboy

    1 month ago

    He met the mustache requirement.

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  105. SalaryCapMyth

    1 month ago

    This really sounds like a risky contract. I’ll be generous and say that Cease regular FIP stats is the best reflection of what he really is. A strong no.3 or a decent no.2

    Would you really give that pitcher a 7yr
    -$210 million that takes him into his age 37 season? I know his durability has a lot of value also, but that’s a double edged sword. Thats a whole lot of innings on that arm.

    I know mlb salaries are on the rise but so is starters volatility and everyone knows about it. There’s hardly a starter that doesn’t eventually have TJ surgery.

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  106. jaysfansince1977

    1 month ago

    Darn it all, the one FA pitcher i did not have coming to the Jays in the contest, well i guess it is okay as i love the rotation for 2026, still need to get Diaz and Bo or Tucker!!!!
    SPEND THAT MONEY ROGERS!!!
    GO JAYS GO!!!
    FEAR THE TRUE NORTH!!!

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    • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

      1 month ago

      99% agree

      You meant to say Bo and Tucker.

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  107. Enrico Pallazzo

    1 month ago

    Omg deferrals!!! I’m so outraged! Oh wait it’s not the Dodgers so I don’t care

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      1 month ago

      Hello, Enrico. I assume you are a Dodgers fan. You might be offended by how MLBTR commenters tend to react to the Dodgers but I recommend you think of it differently. Their hate is your badge of honor. The Dodgers have succeeded so significantly that they are hated by every other fan base or at least the MOST hated team in baseball.

      You are the Yankees of the 20th century. Embrace being the evil empire of the 21st century and do it better than the Yankees ever did. Dodgers fans are in an enviable position.

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  108. DolemiteisMyname

    1 month ago

    Is Cease on a airplane headed to Toronto? & years? Sounds like a lot for a SP.. Good luck with that. We already know the Baseball Gods don’t like the Jay’s.. Those plays in the WS……

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  109. Enrico Pallazzo

    1 month ago

    Also, did the blue jays not have access to his stats or footage of his pitching last year? This is a comical overpay for a mediocre pitcher

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    • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

      1 month ago

      I mean this site/apps experts had him as the best available pitcher.

      In looking at the pitchers paid at or around him it seems commiserate to the others. A better player than Rodon at slightly more….less money than Fried…and as a jays fan that saw Fried get scorched 3 times this year by the jays, I gotta feel pretty good about that.

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      • Astros_fan_in_Aus

        1 month ago

        “Commensurate with”

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  110. WideWorldofSports

    1 month ago

    overpay

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  111. metvibes

    1 month ago

    Someone is smoking wicked stuff.

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  112. johncal25

    1 month ago

    I can’t wait for Jed Hoyer to talk about how the Cubs made a competitive run at Cease only to find out next year the offer was 5/125MM and was his 5th best offer.

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  113. DarkSide830

    1 month ago

    A lot of money for a guy with wildly inconsistent year-to-year production.

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      He’s very consistent

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      • Avory

        1 month ago

        In his ability to underperform his peripherals and lose games as a result, sure, damn consistent.

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  114. jaysfansince1977

    1 month ago

    I think this tells us that the Jays and Roger’s are saying we are all in!!! I expect to hear of a Diaz signing soon followed by a Bo or Tucker signing!!!
    GO JAYS GO!!!
    FEAR THE TRUE NORTH!!!

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      Amen brother

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    • rocky7

      1 month ago

      Signing Bo and Tucker would put the Jays payroll at what….about $$$350+ million/year…..Dodgers of Canada?

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      • Midinfieldlifer

        1 month ago

        Sure why not, Dodgers and Yanks are huge spenders year after year

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  115. The Chicago Cubs

    1 month ago

    Talk about overpay

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      Time will tell but doubtful with his track record and only being 30yrs old

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  116. BCleveland3381

    1 month ago

    Good move for the Jays. It’s obviously a long term risk, but as close as they were they gotta take those risks. He had a rough era but his FiP, and other metrics held up fine. And he’s been a lock for 30+ starts and 200Ks his entire career. I’m a Mets fan but this is what you’re supposed to do when you fall just short of a World Series.

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  117. Informed Sportsball Discussion

    1 month ago

    “The Jays are hit with the highest penalty to sign a qualified free agent because they paid the competitive balance tax this year. They’ll surrender their second- and fifth-highest selections in the 2026 draft plus $1MM from their international bonus pool in 2027. San Diego also paid the luxury tax this year, so they’re entitled to the lowest form of compensation — a selection after the fourth round next summer.”

    K, help me out here. The Jays will surrender three picks in the draft, their second and fifth highest selections, and then a pick after the fourth round, right? The post fourth round pick goes to the Padres. What happens to the second and fifth highest picks? Do the Jays just forfeit those draft picks, and every other team moves up a slot in that round?

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    • MuleorAstroMule

      1 month ago

      Yes to your last question.

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    • Astros_fan_in_Aus

      1 month ago

      The Jays do not surrender 3 picks. They lose two. The pick after the 4th round that the Padres receive is not charged to the Jays.

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    • Informed Sportsball Discussion

      1 month ago

      @GreatOne @Muleor @Astros_fan

      Thanks gents!

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  118. dlj0527

    1 month ago

    The 9 er he allowed in Sacramento really hurt his overall ERA.

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  119. Warren Spahn

    1 month ago

    Jesus man, which deal was worse a 36 yr old Gray to the Red Sox or a 7 yr fleas that Boras took the Blue Jays for.

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    • RobM

      1 month ago

      Boras remains the master.

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  120. MattStats5

    1 month ago

    This is a great signing for Toronto (says the other AL East teams). Glad they got him.

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  121. This one belongs to the Reds

    1 month ago

    I’d say that slams the door for Bichette in Toronto.

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  122. vaderzim

    1 month ago

    Dude’s getting Scherzer money.

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  123. Nats ain't what they used to be

    1 month ago

    Having lived through Strasburg, I’m not so sure giving 7 years at $30 million is a wise long term idea even if no previous injury issues. Time will tell.

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    • Astros_fan_in_Aus

      1 month ago

      Actually the fact that he has been injury free up to this point just increases the chances that he will be injured in the future.

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  124. A’sfan12345

    1 month ago

    Starting pitching is the most valuable asset in baseball. This contract is a huge risk, but it’s also just what the market is for starting pitching. If you want a potential frontline starter in free agency, you have to pay. The Blue Jays have a window to win a World Series, cease has frontline upside, I have no issue with this deal even if the number might surprise some people.

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    • Avory

      1 month ago

      Ahem…he’s not been and never will be a “frontline” starter.

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      • A’sfan12345

        1 month ago

        He has been… never will be is speculative, and people smarter than you and I have different opinions on that

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      • A’sfan12345

        1 month ago

        Look up his 2022 and 2024 numbers…

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  125. SweetLou

    1 month ago

    Unreal, the amount of moronic takes on this site smh

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      1 month ago

      New around here?

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        What’s your 5 best calls Lou?

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  126. rizdakc99

    1 month ago

    Overpay

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  127. Motor City Beach Bum

    1 month ago

    Everybody else better get off their butts!

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  128. highflyballintorightfield

    1 month ago

    OnLy ThE dOdGeRs ArE aLlOwEd To UsE dEfErRaLs!!! !!

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    • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

      1 month ago

      Santandar was pretty sure was half referrals last year.

      Jays had the identical Otani offer. He chose LA (from what I recall)

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  129. braves25

    1 month ago

    Great move for Toronto!

    Now I don’t have to worry about Atl trying to sign him!

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  130. Jaysfansince92

    1 month ago

    For what it’s worth his expected ERA from Statcast was 3.46 last season. From what I recall, the Padres defense wasn’t anything to write home about, so he could have been pretty unlucky with his ERA.

    That being said, given he’s a fly ball pitcher, he’s going to miss Petco.

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    • rocky7

      1 month ago

      Fly ball pitchers who go to the Al east die there as well….Fenway…Yankee Stadium, even Baltimore…..he may have trouble keeping the ball in the yard……

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        On the plus side the Blue Jays have an elite defensive CF. That’s bound to help a flyball pitcher

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    • Astros_fan_in_Aus

      1 month ago

      I am sure he is comforted knowing he has the worst SS in baseball behind him now.

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        Gimenez will likely be the SS. If Bo comes back I think he will be playing second base. He should be alright there. 2B mitigates his biggest weaknesses. His arm strength isn’t a big deal from there and he can play back a little farther to help his range, since he doesn’t have to get the ball as quickly at second base due to the shorter distance to first. That should give him an extra step or two to get to the ball.

        The Jays led the major leagues in defensive runs saved last season, so I don’t think Cease has anything to worry about there.

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  131. Dorkus Malorkus (3768902)

    1 month ago

    Lotta miles on that arm

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  132. marinersblue96

    1 month ago

    7 years is a lot for a pitcher on the wrong side of 30. But it still has the Jays as a top 3 rotation in the AL.

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    • rocky7

      1 month ago

      No so sure of top 3 rotations as yet….except Gausman and Berrios are walking after this year which means if they can walk and breath, they’ll be out there on the mound….Bieber is gone?….Bassitt is gone…and if your of the opinion that Yesavage is some kind of emerging force, lets not be too rash….he had a good playoff run, but that doesn’t mean anything when it comes to the upcoming 26 season…..let not put him in the HOF as yet….he’s not pitched 50 innings in a regular season as yet……Cease will help but lets not get too excited….he’s had 2 seasons of success and his calling card to date is starting 30+ starts a year….remember you are what your record says you are regardless of all the analytics…….and as far as the rest they haven’t established any rep as yet…..time will tell…but announcing them in the top 3 is a stretch…..

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      • Jaysfansince92

        1 month ago

        Most of the stuff you’re talking about doesn’t even apply to this season. Also if Gausman, Bieber, and Berrios all leave his free agents, they’ll have a bunch of money freed up to sign other free agents.

        At this point I’m not sure Berrios opts out anyways. If he has a really good year this season he might. But that’s not a bad problem to have. Given how quickly Bieber picked up his option, I wouldn’t be surprised if he re-signs.

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  133. Midinfieldlifer

    1 month ago

    Wow what a signing and better yet what a starting pitching staff! As long as they get Bichette re-signed, and a reliever or two, they could be the team to beat in ’26

    I think after today, re-signing Bo just became a heck of a lot easier.

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    • rocky7

      1 month ago

      An eternal optimist…hey why not….but let’s not get too excited about the starting staff as yet…..Cease will contribute but remember his last 2 years haven’t been anything to write home about….the 3.88 Era is an average including all his years…including his 2 best…..his record isn’t anything to write home about and it seems he’s a 5 inning pitcher which will tax the bullpen in each of his 30+ starts….which at the end of the year may not fare very well as far as health for them……time will tell….but announcing them as the team to beat….there’s a bunch of other clubs that might beg to differ…..

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  134. Kingdome Mariners

    1 month ago

    As a Mariners fan, Deals like the one just given to Cease are going to make it very hard for Seattle to sign both Logan Gilbert and George Kirby to extensions in the future..

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    • Randall Charles

      1 month ago

      No kidding this is scary. Mariners aren’t gonna pony up.
      Although I’m kinda on board with not extending playing into their 29/30s unless their
      verlander/ sherzer/Cole type which I’m not sure those two are.
      I think I’m actually fine with holding onto both all the way to free agency and give them a qualifying offer. This will maintain our competitive window and gives mariners time to groom Kade Anderson , Cjintge, Sloan

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  135. Logjammer D'Baggagecling

    1 month ago

    I would’ve gone only 6 years guaranteed. An option for a 7th year with incentives. Like finishing with at least 3 years of at least 130 innings pitched. In his 7 year career he’s averaged 145 innings pitched.

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    • Toronto Blue Jason

      1 month ago

      Canadian overpay – 1 extra year. See Martin, Russell

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  136. 30 Parks

    1 month ago

    Is that Bo’s money?

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    • Toronto Blue Jason

      1 month ago

      No, this was Bassitt’s money.

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  137. SuperDuper

    1 month ago

    I’m very 50-50 on this move. Seems like the rest of the baseball community feels the same.

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  138. Quinnap89

    1 month ago

    Good for Cease! Wild that this is where we are in markets for SP’s. A career ERA of 3.88 & last season finishing at 4.55. He’s had two solid years but other than that he’s got ballooned stats. Definitely not worth what he’s being paid. Toronto reached on this one, pretty sure they could have gotten him for cheaper seeing as he’s not really an ace the market is framing him to be

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    • rocky7

      1 month ago

      Seems to be an overpay which unfortunately in today’s MLB isn’t unusual…..other than 2 years of top tier pitching, he’s pretty pedestrian as far as success…except he is quite the durable pitcher lining up consistently for 32+ starts….

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      • beyou02215

        1 month ago

        The thing with that (and virtually every pitcher): He is durable until he isn’t.

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    • BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

      1 month ago

      I am struggling with the 90’s baseball stats as well…..but he lead the league in k’s per nine… that’s not nothing.

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  139. Varitek'sMitt

    1 month ago

    The most important question though, is he on the plane?

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      Lol

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  140. Draps87

    1 month ago

    At that kind of money, the Jays could have probably got any free pitcher they wanted, give or take.
    They picked Cease. Peter Walker has done wonders with pitchers like Robbie Ray and even how they brought Yesavage throw the minors and into the playoffs this year.
    They did their research, they wanted Cease. I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

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  141. Ghost of Orel Hersheiser

    1 month ago

    Jays rotation strikes fear into…. no one 😬🫳🫗

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  142. BetterMuppet:JUDGEorKERMIT?

    1 month ago

    Love the deferrals and luxury drop

    But more than anything LOVE that they didn’t
    1. Role the dice on Valdez or Suarez
    2. Wait out an answer on Imai

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  143. Salzilla

    1 month ago

    Holy moly that’s a heck of a turkey!

    And another I missed.

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  144. Another Dodgers Fan

    1 month ago

    *Insert lame deferral joke here*

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    • Another Dodgers Fan

      1 month ago

      I thought everyone said they should cease using deferrals in baseball…

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  145. Cubbie in AZ

    1 month ago

    He will “cease” to exist as a meaningful SP soon enough

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  146. padreforlife

    1 month ago

    Guy is a dumpster fire in clutch

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  147. Jiggs

    1 month ago

    Thank you Blue Jays.

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  148. foppert3

    1 month ago

    Every. Single. Post

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  149. terry g

    1 month ago

    So much negativity, Toronto is happy. He’s happy. 1) it’s not your money. 2) they trying to win now. 3) trade him later 4) so he didn’t sign with your team.
    Arm-chair-Gm’s be damn.

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  150. Cubbie in AZ

    1 month ago

    I’ve enjoyed getting drunk and fed during lunch at Sycuan also. I always try to make a visit to Julian also when out east to buy an Apple pie or two.

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  151. Alfred E Neuman

    1 month ago

    Do the deferrals mean the Blue Jays are cheating?

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  152. wileycoyote56

    1 month ago

    Holy crap, Skubal is worth 400 million for 8 years with this logic! When will the money run out? I just can’t fathom mediocrity paying that much

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  153. PapaBear562

    1 month ago

    Wow, didn’t see that coming. I was kind of hoping the Cubbies could have signed him, but no way would I commit that kind of money, let alone to someone 30 years of age. Good luck to him though, and I hope the Blue Jays make a return trip to the WS to get the ring they got cheated out of this year.

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  154. Carver

    1 month ago

    Seven years is too long for a starting pitcher. I wish they would have dealt with their closer issue first then find a starter.

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    • Midinfieldlifer

      1 month ago

      Personally like the signing but I too think signing a top closer should be priority #1. Well that and signing Bichette

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  155. hiflew

    1 month ago

    This has “Patrick Corbin deal” written all over it. But I guess the Nats fans might not even regret that one since Corbin did help them win a WS. Id Cease does the same and THEN falls apart, it might be worth it for Toronto.

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  156. greg1

    1 month ago

    Honestly not who I thought the Jays would have signed, I really thought Ranger was the more likely guy as a lefty.

    I know there’s some concern about the length of the contract, but Cease has been an innings eater with a track record of staying healthy. 37, which is how old he’ll be at the end of the contract is still reasonable that he is contributing solidly.

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  157. WestVillageTiger

    1 month ago

    First big news of the season!
    Just in time to kick off the Holidays.
    Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!

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    • Alfred E Neuman

      1 month ago

      WestVillageTiger: “First big news of the season!”

      Where have you been? This is maybe the seventh big news of the season. There have been several trades and managerial hires.

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  158. Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee

    1 month ago

    Cease is durable and will take his turn every fifth game. Give you 5-plus innings with a bunch of strikeouts. But for $200 mil, he’s not an ace or a difference maker….

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      200m he doesn’t need to be a ace. That’s what a Cease cost these days.

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  159. Larry D.

    1 month ago

    Seems like a lot.

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  160. SteveAdamsEsq

    1 month ago

    I’m sorry folks, but how can the owners look the players union and the fans in the eye and say with a straight face that they need a salary cap to protect the sport from overspending when they are doing this to themselves and they have record revenues every year? The players are not forcing them to pay a mid level starting pitcher who can’t get out of the 6th inning $30 million a year for 7 years. Again, they are doing this to themselves and the game.

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      1 month ago

      With deferrals it is more like $26 million a year.

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      • SteveAdamsEsq

        1 month ago

        Don’t quibble over deferrals please. You’re missing the point of my post.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          1 month ago

          Maybe.

          I oppose salary caps for MLB. Team values are appreciating at record rates. Owners are unwilling to completely open up books. Maybe a compromise is to forfeit your 1st round draft pick if you go over $300 million or under $75 million.

          I also think that while Cease is not an ace or number one, he is a very durable pitcher and there were a lot of teams competing for his services. He got the equivalent of seven years at $26 million. I would have expected maybe five years at exactly that rate. Blue Jays want to go back to the WS and they seized the day.

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      • AI GM

        1 month ago

        Maybe they don’t want a salary cap. I would lean towards they don’t.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      1 month ago

      Both sides and Manfred understand the economics of the sport. The vitriol by all parties is politicking and a matter of trying to win the court of public opinion. If they gaslight one another enough, the fans don’t know who to blame.

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  161. Randall Charles

    1 month ago

    Did they know Luis Castillo is gonna be available for 2/48 with a 3rd year option. Pretty cheap with low commitment for a healthy top quality starter with similar or better.

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    • JackStrawb

      1 month ago

      @Randall Charles Not top quality, though. Not when it’s his age 33-35 seasons at issue, and his K rate dropped from 10.0 to 9 to 8.1 over the last three seasons. On more step like that and he’s in real trouble.

      Castillo’s 2025 xERA also topped 4.00 for the first time since 2018.

      He now projects over the next two seasons as a very durable, middle-aged, middle of the rotation pitcher with a vesting option in 2028 that (1) is unlikely to be much of a bargain at 25m, and will vest even if he’s terrible as long as he’s reasonably durable,

      2/48m is a fair price, though the vest at age 35 is not a plus. He shouldn’t get a particularly good prospect in return, particularly since a 24m AAV for a durable MOR may slightly favor the acquiring team but isn’t much of a bargain given SP’s of this type are available in FA every offseason for nothing but money.

      That he’s been lucky on his ERA by 1/3 of a run in 2024-2025 is just that: lucky.

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      • Randall Charles

        1 month ago

        I appreciate your stats and very good information. Unfortunately I’m more of an old head dan wilson type .

        At 29 years old Mariners gave Luis Castillo 5/104m extension
        Now Cease at 29 is gonna get 7/210.

        So You’re telling me you’re giving Cease at 7/210 over picking up Castillo remaining contract of 2/48?
        Mariners might even add 10m to get better value in the trade.

        Cease is probably Toronto’s #4 pitcher make 30m a year.

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        • Randall Charles

          1 month ago

          Also I’m trying to hype Castillo value at the same time. He’s getting traded and these are great comps ( Sonny gray, Dylan cease)
          It might be a mistake for the mariners to trade Castillo but I’m always in favor of pushing the youth movement and considering the budget mariners play with.

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          Randall Charles: But those factors will be baked into Castillo’s market value and limit the trade return to the Mariners, no matter what a fan like you says on a comment thread. 🤷‍♂️

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        • AI GM

          1 month ago

          If Castillo was that good you wouldn’t be wanting to trade him. Keep him if he’s just as good as Cease.

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  162. Old York

    1 month ago

    The Jays are paying $210M for a pitcher whose 97 mph fastball is actually a below-average pitch — and he throws it too much because his command forces him to.

    He throws his 4-seam 41% of the time, which has a Run Value of -3 (27th percentile), an xwOBA of .384, hard hit results are bad and terrible movement for a modern 4-seamer. He throws hard, but it’s a straight, relatively flat fastball with less ride than modern hitters struggle with.

    Jays are going to have to cut down that 4-seamer usage to 25–30% and increase his slider and sweeper usage. If they can fix this, it might be a decent signing but it doesn’t look great at the moment.

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    • Jaysfansince92

      1 month ago

      The referrals bring it down to a present day value of around 182 million. Still quite a bit but 26 million per year is more defensible than 30 million

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  163. Captainmike1

    1 month ago

    Borass found a sucker

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    • Alfred E Neuman

      1 month ago

      Captainmike1: The name is BORAS, and he just did his job well getting the Jays to pay market value.

      I have no idea why you would have an issue with that.

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      • Captainmike1

        1 month ago

        Because he is a scum who has helped to ruin professional sports

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          He hasn’t ruined anything. He’s great at what he does, which is why he has so many clients.

          He certainly has done you no harm. Your negativity is your own problem.

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        • Captainmike1

          1 month ago

          Time for me to move on, you don’t get it

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          Captainmike1: Exactly what I am thinking. But good on you for being aware that you don’t get it.

          Maybe self-awareness will help you make somewhat intelligent comments.

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        • Captainmike1

          1 month ago

          You think you are so smart
          Well, have your infantile fun

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      • Captainmike1

        1 month ago

        nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/scott_boras_reads_from_…

        To wit: The Scott Boras book on free agent Oliver Perez has hit bookstores, and with juicy chapters like, “Perez Is One of Baseball’s Top 5 Left-Handed Starting Pitchers,” and “Perez Dominates on the Biggest Stage,” it looks destined to be a bestseller. At least within the Perez family.

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  164. VinScullysSon

    1 month ago

    This is the kind of guy I never take in a fantasy draft as he goes too high for my liking. And then the same type of guy who goes on to make me regret not picking him. I bet he has a fantastic run and quells all doubters.

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  165. TrueOutcomeFan

    1 month ago

    Damn…

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  166. oldgfan

    1 month ago

    Does this mean the weekly article about him being traded will finally Cease ?
    End of an era…

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      They were finally right on the Padres couldn’t afford him!

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      • Brew88

        1 month ago

        Apparently 29 other teams couldn’t either, so there was a 96.74% chance they were right about Cease not being a Padre in 2026. Those are some bold predictions.

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  167. Dash 2

    1 month ago

    A 7-year deal for any pitcher is foolish. What are the odds that he’ll be injured and/or ineffective in a few years?

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    • Alfred E Neuman

      1 month ago

      Dash 2: Not according to the market. Nobody held a gun to anyone’s head and made an offer they couldn’t refuse.

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  168. mohoney

    1 month ago

    Dylan Cease was the victim of the 2nd-worst defense played behind any pitcher in the majors. Padres fielders posted a whopping -11 DRS behind Cease in 2025. Only Logan Webb suffered a worse fate at -17 DRS.

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  169. Jaysfansince92

    1 month ago

    I just read in an article that the Padres defence checked in at -7 OAA when Cease was pitching. Only seven other qualified SP got less help from their defense. I checked out the leaderboards and the article was correct (see link below).

    Pitching in front of the Jays defense should do some good for his ERA. Gausman got +11 OAA last season from his defense when he was on the mound, which was second best in the league.

    baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_aver…..

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    • Jaysfansince92

      1 month ago

      Sorry that should have said qualified pitchers rather than qualified SP.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      1 month ago

      This is going to be way over the heads of those here who are quoting his ERA and don’t understand FIP.

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      • sheagoodbye

        1 month ago

        Also over the heads of those who don’t understand that there are legitimate reasons some players will typically underperform relative to their FIP.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      1 month ago

      OAA measures range, not overall defense.

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    • Sabermetric Acolyte

      1 month ago

      Well fangraphs had Toronto as MLB’s best overall defensive team last year while San Diego was ranked 20th so it’s a very good point to consider in Cease’s favor.

      But two more things to add in. Cease was in the bottom ten for GO/AO rates last year (So was Gaussman so feel free to reject this point altogether). Also Cease is going from stadium where the park factor favored the pitcher to a stadium with a neutral park factor.

      I’m wondering how much of the added defense will be a wash.

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  170. Dannydeman

    1 month ago

    Now I understand why the redsox traded to get Sonny gray at 1 year 21 million..

    I would not have wanted cease for 6 years 150 million to be completely honest.. that dude is a COMPLETE question mark at this point. He may not even be good anymore for all we know

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Like Thanksgiving turkey put a fork in him

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      • Brew88

        1 month ago

        Or like a Puritan to the indigenous Americans, no good dead goes unpunished

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  171. scottbour

    1 month ago

    Contracts like this and Biras clients especially make it hard for teams to be responsible financially. The last 3 years Dean Kremer of the Orioles, who is their #4 or #5, has more wins, less loses and a better ERA and Whip than Cease. Kremer will get about $4.5 million in arbitration while Cease ends up being a HUGE overpay.

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      Teams don’t care about wins era whip

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  172. AndyPagesBaserunningClinic

    1 month ago

    TheY DefERReD MonEY….THey R ruInInG BASebaLl!

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  173. Baseballisthebest

    1 month ago

    Happy Thanksgiving to Dylan Cease. His contract in net present value was just $7 million under what Tim, Steve, Mark, and Anthony had predicted on this site that he would sign for. I am very grateful that he did not sign with the Red Sox as 2 of them had predicted.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

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    • AI GM

      1 month ago

      I wouldn’t want him on my team either. Contract is fair enough and Jay’s making world series they have to do something. I wouldn’t give up draft picks and like other options better. But if it’s harder to get players to Toronto you can understand it.

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  174. AI GM

    1 month ago

    Or a 1 year prove it deal

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  175. Roadtrip

    1 month ago

    And here I was hoping Breslow could get SP Cease signed to a 3yr $110m deal, $5m signing bonus, $35m per, opt out after the ‘26 season. Glad they didn’t go where the Blue Jays went.

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  176. Father Theresa

    1 month ago

    Clearly the ERA did hurt his market. He signed early in the off season to the only team not in the U.S.

    No offense to Canada, but had Cease thought there was more money to be had, he probably would have held out longer.

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  177. Domingo111

    1 month ago

    That is a lot of money for a pitcher with big command issues who has had a 4.5 era every other year.

    Health track record and stuff are good but the command means he is always at risk of a blow up when he walks a couple and gives up some bombs.

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  178. JerseyShoreScore

    1 month ago

    These Deferrals are ruining baseball…

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    • Bivouac-Sal

      1 month ago

      Deferrals have been a part of baseball contracts SINCE THE 1950’s. Ted Williams accepted a deferred compensation contract, marking one of the earliest known uses of the practice in the ’50’s.

      You don’t know what you are talking about.

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      • Brew88

        1 month ago

        To be fair Biv, he didn’t say when the ruining began

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        • Bivouac-Sal

          1 month ago

          To be fairER, I suppose we are dismissing the entirety of the 1950s, 1960’s, 1970s, 1980s. etc.
          Are we to understand he is advocating a return to the baseball of, say, the 1920s, the 1800’s?

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        • Brew88

          1 month ago

          Thanksgiving was deferred until Abe Lincoln (who could hit 97 on the radar gun) met Sarah Hale, so anything is possible

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        • Bivouac-Sal

          1 month ago

          Ok you’re in that kind of mood.

          Happy Thanksgiving.

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        • Brew88

          1 month ago

          Yup. You too

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  179. Yankeesforever

    1 month ago

    on the Yankee fansite I hang out on, they did a Yes or No piece just the other day on acquiring Cease.
    ON the surface, it would be a Yes, but when you dug deeper man, there were a lot of question marks. This is what I posted

    “his strikeouts get him out of further trouble but his numbers in between his strikeouts are not enamoring. A 318 OBP .717OPS
    He throws so many pitches that he pitched only a 168 innings pitched over 32 starts.
    You compare him to Fried who didn’t strikeout as many guys over the same amount of starts and yet a .281OBP 616 OPS over 195 innings.
    I would find watching Cease pitch maddeningly frustrating

    The AL east can humble a pitcher,

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    • TheBoatmen

      1 month ago

      AL east isn’t what it used to be. Both Toronto and Baltimore moved out their walls to neutralize the HR’s. With the Yankees lowering their payroll, TB going downhill it is not the scary anymore.

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  180. JuanUribeJazzHands

    1 month ago

    “That puts the net present value closer to $182MM.”

    Kudos!

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  181. kwolf68

    1 month ago

    Cease’s deal makes sense and is well within market margins. Compare it to Blake Snell. Snell got a deal very similar last year Cease got this year. Snell’s deal is a couple years shorter, but that’s pretty much it. I think overall Snell is a better pitcher, but he’s also a couple years older and way less durable. What Toronto can count on is this dude taking the ball every 5th day. And his stuff is electric. His ERA last year was not good, but the underlying numbers show it should have been much better. Cease has the talent of an ace and while he has his hiccups, you don’t get an arm like that for kibble n bits.

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    • fred-3

      1 month ago

      Snell has had much better results than Cease, though. They also aren’t really comparable… like you said Cease is more durable and younger, and he throws right-handed. Toronto is hoping Cease pitches to his FIP or else this deal is gonna be a mistake.

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    • Cman-infinity

      1 month ago

      Snell far superior. Cease 2x durable. StarterR for a playoff game?I wouldn’t not be pumped about cease I can say that

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  182. Cman-infinity

    1 month ago

    Incredibly durable. Great stuff. Gives up 3 earned per/start. Soft 2 on a good day solid 3 overall. Run prevention is mattering now… ..less? The pendulum may be about to swing back.

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  183. Cman-infinity

    1 month ago

    Could be buying high on the durability….

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  184. phillyballers

    1 month ago

    This is a lot for a pitcher I would say is arguably worse than Aaron Nola who got a lesser contract. Phillies fans think the Nola deal is pretty bad, give this a year and Jays fans will be like why are we paying a #3 starter this much?

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  185. Brew88

    1 month ago

    Just read about 750 comments, and WOW. Happy cornicopia MLBTR

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  186. Brew88

    1 month ago

    Cease is deeply concerned about native bee populations decline in US. $200M to fund conservation efforts?

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      1 month ago

      Will wonders never…?

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  187. drdback

    1 month ago

    IMHO, $30 million a year for Cease for the next 7 years is too much $$$ to pay for him.

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  188. DolemiteisMyname

    1 month ago

    Can A BlueJay fan explain to me WTH happened to Monah?

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    • HBan22

      1 month ago

      Injuries and he is a head case.

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  189. sfjackcoke

    1 month ago

    If Cease helps TOR win a World Series no one in Toronto will care. I say this having experienced the 7yr/ $126 million deal Barry Zito signed with SFG, He was AWFUL,

    baseball-reference.com/players/z/zitoba01.shtml

    He didn’t even sniff the 2010 postseason roster but was huge in the 2012 playoff – WS run and just like that his narrative changes from his contract to his on field play that contributes to a parade.

    TOR got the guy with arguably the highest ceiling who unlike most in MLB has also shown durability. The price is the price, clearly he had 6yrs in hand, the cost of business in free agency is who tacks on one more year. That’s how TOR got Gausman from SF who wouldn’t match the 5th year following the 2021 season. Not coincidentally Gausman was the last pitcher to throw a postseason pitch for the Giants, that was Game 5 2021 NLDS. THE biggest failure of the Farhan years by far.

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  190. Dojaho

    1 month ago

    Not an exceptional free agent pitcher market so it drives up the value… but this is an overpay on money and years. At best he’s worth $125 over 5 years. Don’t get me wrong- the Jays will be better with him but this contract will age like mayonnaise in the summer sun

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  191. SuperDuper

    1 month ago

    Just like the Mariners, the Blue Jays are also serious about competing. At this rate we could get another ALCS between them next year.

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  192. astros4life!

    1 month ago

    So, I guess Ranger Suarez, Framber Valdez, and Tatsuya Imai are the top 3 starters left. Well, this is a major blow to the Astros starting pitching approach.

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  193. Avory

    1 month ago

    Guess what, I defer to wins and losses and Cease is not a winning pitcher, not going five innings and being hard-hit as much as a guy who misses so many bats should be. He’s certainly nowhere near worth tying up $26m per year for the next seven years. The guy consistently underperforms his peripherals, and that consistently shows up on the scoreboard.

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  194. DodgerOK

    1 month ago

    Pretty risky after a 4.55 ERA and it’s been 10 years since his TJ surgery.

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  195. DanGrant2185

    1 month ago

    Even in his ‘bad’ years has never been lowwr than 19th in MLB in pitcher WAR. This guy is a metronome with alarm clock potential. Jays have pretty much always coached up skill heavy guys to their best — see Ray, Kikuchi. Any handwringing over the term is overblown. Great signing, a real statement signing this early.

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    • Avory

      1 month ago

      And what statement is being made exactly? We’re anxious to pay way above retail just to be the first one on the block to have something shiny and give the neighbors something to whisper about?

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      • DanGrant2185

        1 month ago

        Lol get lost

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      • DanGrant2185

        1 month ago

        The statement is that they plan to contend now and extend that window. They just signed the highest-ceiling starter on the market and nobody saw it coming this early. The money is eminently reasonable, especially with the deferrals. There are no negatives here. It’s not your money.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Hoo-boy..the money is .”eminently reasonable…” “Highest ceiling” starter on the market…so that means you give him whatever he wants? Good lord. All I can conclude is that you’ve barely seen Cease pitch. As Fangraph’s Michael Baumann wrote in his account of the signing:

          “Cease’s swing-and-miss numbers are the best of any starter in baseball, but he’s mediocre at suppressing hard contact. Hitters might not guess correctly that often, but when they do, they can do quite a bit of damage.”

          “Usually, the winner overpays by a little [in free agency]. Either the Blue Jays know something the rest of us don’t, or they overpaid by a lot.”

          And THAT as they say, is the truth of the matter. And now that he’s been paid, just watch Cease’s fastball/slider combo lose a little sizzle…and POW, you’ll be watching even more of those three-run jacks he likes to serve up after walking two guys. Good luck! Don’t say you didn’t see this coming when it does!

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        • jaysfansince1977

          1 month ago

          Avory, that is nonsense, pure and completely utter nonsense!!!

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Naturally you’d say that, you’re an in the tank Jays fan, not an independent, objective observer!

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        • DanGrant2185

          1 month ago

          Nothing objective about being a Chicken Little sports fan who relishes in saying ‘I told you so.’ You’re a third grader. Have a nice life.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Ha-ha…since when is telling you NOW the same as “I told you so”?

          The hilarious reality is when this thing goes south, you’ll be the FIRST person wailing about all the stupid decisions the Jays made. I won’t even get a chance to say I told you so because you’ll be complaining so loudly.

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        • DanGrant2185

          1 month ago

          In the same Baumann article you cited, he mentions that he likes the signing. You’re cherry picking quotes just to be contrary.

          Cease struggled at times in San Diego because of their awful defense and because he nibbled too much. He’ll be playing in front of a stellar defense in Toronto and guaranteed you’ll see his fastball usage go up.

          Is the deal a year too long? Sure. But who cares. It’s not a deal for 2032. You pay the money and you get the player. It’s not rocket science.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          1. There hasn’t been a year in his career where Dylan Cease hasn’t “nibbled.”

          2. San Diego is one of the most pitcher-friendly parks in baseball, Toronto is not.

          3. In Baseball Reference’s Defensive Efficiency rating, San Diego was 3rd in all of baseball, the Blue Jays were 14th. In Defensive Runs saved, San Diego was 14th, Toronto was 4th. In StatCast’s defensive Outs Above Average Toronto was 9th, San Diego was 18th.

          In no respect was San Diego’s defense “awful” and while I agree the Jays’ defense is better than the Padres, the difference is not the chasm you make it out to be. And if you read the Baumann article closely (in other words, not ignoring its totality or its conclusion–which I provided) he said the irony of this signing is that Cease is a three-true outcome pitcher who gives up abnormally high hard hit rates, just the type of pitcher for whom improved defense will help the least.

          But go ahead, keep ignoring reality and hope for a miracle.

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        • DanGrant2185

          1 month ago

          Now do Fangraphs team defense metric — Toronto 38.7 runs saved (1st)
          San Diego -0.5 runs saved (18th)

          San Diego still managed to finish 2nd in runs allowed, because their pitching was good. Their defense is not good, especially if you remove Tatis’ monster defensive season which props up a ton of the OAA and DRS numbers you cited.

          PetCo is obviously good but The Rogers Centre is completely neutral.

          I think you’re missing the point of the entire discussion though. Is there risk with a massive contract like this? Sure. My beef with your approach and criticism is that you seem 100% certain this is a monstrous error. There is very little to support that being true. All free agency is a gamble — this is very clearly a worthy one and only a very mild overpay (if an overpay at all).

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          It is NOT “very clearly a worthy” signing. Free agency is a sucker’s game, and your front office is one of the biggest suckers in the sport.

          If this signing were a clear-cut win, it wouldn’t require the cheerleading you’re giving it. Saying it is unequivocally a “worthy” deal tells me you’re disinterested in a balanced appraisal.

          There is nothing about this deal that should make anyone comfortable. Were it your money, coming out of your pocket, you’d find better ways to spend it.

          The irony is it IS your money, and it will be an obstacle to more rational spending on truly productive players the Jays need to be consistent contenders in the American League.

          Like I’ve said, I’m glad you’re glad about it. This move weakens the Jays for the foreseeable future, and I’m consistently pleased by the choices Shapiro and Atkins make.

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  196. PhiladelphiaCollins

    1 month ago

    Whatever. There is no guarantee how any contract is going to look in the future, but this certainly doesn’t hurt the blue Jay’s. Other than in the wallet, and it’s not even that bad, could be worse $$$

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  197. sheagoodbye

    1 month ago

    Factoring in a player’s durability into their value is one thing, but banking on that elite level of durability maintaining itself moving forward to deliver the necessary value is a mistake IMO. We’ve seen this move plenty of times before. Player who rarely missed time before they turned 30.ends up missing significantly more time thereafter.

    Is it guaranteed to happen? Of course not. But I’d want more breathing room than this contract allows for.

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    • Avory

      1 month ago

      Exactly. I value durability–just being able to take the ball every fifth day is a valuable trait–but past durability is hardly a guarantee of future durability as physical decline inevitably occurs.

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  198. Memorialstadium

    1 month ago

    They are going to regret this.

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  199. cman

    1 month ago

    It doesn’t matter. Nobody is beating the Dodgers for the next 4 to 5 years. Unless in 2027 the owners put their foot down in collective bargaining with the MLB player’s union and go into another work stoppage were they finally institute a hard salary cap and make the league competitive again. Otherwise it’s Dodgers, Dodgers, Dodgers and their 450-500 million dollar payroll until 2029/2030

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  200. Avory

    1 month ago

    That’s baloney. The Dodgers were almost beaten this year and didn’t even get a bye. Not saying they won’t always qualify for the playoffs, but c’mon, stop with the sky is falling. You want to REALLY ruin baseball, you side with the owners and try and institute a hard salary cap over player objections. The owners need to pool revenues FULLY before they ask players to do anything.

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    • bertod

      1 month ago

      100%. Won’t somebody think of the poor billionaires…

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  201. Richard N

    1 month ago

    That’s a crazy price for Cease, but if you got the money and want to compete, then you gotta do what you gotta do. So glad to be a Dodgers fan though 😅

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  202. Bobcastelliniscat

    1 month ago

    This signing may end up being the worst of the off season.

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    • Avory

      1 month ago

      Oh but wait, Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins have only begun the madness!

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  203. Logjammer D'Baggagecling

    1 month ago

    Would’ve been nice if they Cubs signed him just not for 7 years. I’d go 6 years guaranteed and incentive options where the 7th year gets triggered. Something like 175IP in his first 4 seasons on an average. I would never go more thwn 7 years for a starting pitcher.

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  204. Aggiefan

    1 month ago

    2025, he led the league in head shakes after perceived bad calls or bad pitches. good luck canucks

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    • whyhayzee

      1 month ago

      So he’s the pitching version of Derek “Cry Baby” Jeter?

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  205. Blue Jay Ray

    1 month ago

    Identifying the player you want and being willing to pay a modest premium to go out and acquire him rather than settling for the affordable alternatives is a sound strategy for any team but especially if you have a pitching coach like Pete Walker. At the very least Cease is a durable #2-3 starter but my guess is the Jays see something they think they can help, A mechanical tweak to keep him in the zone a bit more or developing a third plus offering is all it’ll take for him to be a perennial CY candidate.

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    • Avory

      1 month ago

      You have GOT to be kidding me. That has to the be the most pie-in-the-sky rationalization for an ill-advised signing ever made. Cease has been pitching in the majors for a LONG time, and he’s been remarkably consistent. Nothing the Jays can do to make him more effective and miraculously transform him into a “perennial Cy Young” candidate. They’ve made him insanely wealthy despite his pedestrian record…isn’t that enough of a miracle?

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      • Blue Jay Ray

        1 month ago

        No, I’m not kidding you at all. In fact he’s been top 4 in CY voting 2 of the last 4 years, so to think an adjustment akin to the ones made by Robbie Ray, Kevin Gausman and Chris Bassitt could make him a perennial contender would be quite reasonable and far from ‘miraculous’, Criticize the money/term if you want but I’d say everyone who has signed so far has gotten a little more than expected.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        1 month ago

        @Avory

        That’s a wild assertion. Pitching personnel can absolutely tweak pitchers. No org today evaluates based on win-loss records and ERAs.

        See Sonny Gray ’19-’25: 3.53 ERA/3.31 FIP, 1071.1 IP, 10 K/9, 2.8 BB/9, 0.9 HR/9. He became a better pitcher after leaving the Yankees in 2018.

        For his career, Cease has a 3.88 ERA/3.67 FIP, 10.9 SO/9, 3.8 BB/9, and 1.1 HR/9.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Dylan Cease has been remarkably consistent in several ways: high pitch counts, low innings per start, high hard-hit rate, stress on bullpens, results that don’t match the stuff, and high frustration for fans on teams for whom he pitches.

          All that wrapped up in a bow for $185 million. Enjoy him, Jays fans!

          (As far as the Yankee fan who chimed in, he knows very well how poorly Cease pitches against good lineups which are patient, so he’s just being nice knowing how the Bombers will handle him. Lifetime E.R.A. vs. NYY 5.34; vs. Boston 6.04; vs. Tampa 5.23….wins incoming for the AL East!)

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  206. Skylander

    1 month ago

    Guess they needed to replace Berrios as their starter you think should be better but isn’t.

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    • Blue Jay Ray

      1 month ago

      I do think a Berrios trade is possible but I think managing Yesavage’s workload and possibly the expectations of him is a part of what the Jays are doing.

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