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Latest On Red Sox’s Payroll Flexibility

By Nick Deeds | November 30, 2025 at 9:19am CDT

In the aftermath of the Sonny Gray trade, Red Sox chief baseball officer Craig Breslow made it clear that the team’s plan was to focus on upgrading an offense that saw Alex Bregman opt out of his contract and head back to free agency this winter (not to mention traded away Rafael Devers back in June). There’s been some talk of the club even signing multiple star bats to help fill out the lineup, pairing a reunion with Bregman with the addition of someone like Pete Alonso or Kyle Schwarber.

That could prove to be easier said than done, however, as a report from MassLive’s Sean McAdam suggests the Red Sox might not have that sort of room in the budget. According to McAdam, the Red Sox are willing to pass the luxury tax threshold as they did in 2025. With that being said, however, McAdam reports that doing so would leave the club “absorbing a moderate financial loss,” and that Boston is hesitant to spend beyond that level and incur bigger deficits.

Some fans will surely balk at the idea that one of the sport’s most valuable brands and franchises is operating at a loss, especially following an offseason where the team made an offer north of $700MM to Juan Soto.  It’s easy to see why Soto specifically would be a player the team was willing to make an exception for based on his youth and incredible talent, but it’s also worth remembering that the books of the league and individual franchises are generally closed and not publicly available. That means claims of losses from most franchises and ownership groups cannot be independently verified.

Of course, whether fans take Boston’s claims about profitability at face value or not won’t change their short-term payroll plans. The Red Sox spent just under $245MM in 2025 for luxury tax purposes, according to RosterResource. Their projected luxury tax payroll for 2026 stands at $223MM. That means they have just $22MM left in payroll flexibility if they plan to spend at the same level they did last year. Of course, it should be noted that there could be at least some wiggle room within McAdam’s reporting. While he makes clear that the Red Sox won’t be floating a $300MM payroll on level with the Yankees, the second level of the luxury tax sits at $264MM this year. If the Red Sox simply want to stay under that second threshold, they’d have as much as $40MM in spending capacity this winter.

There’s other ways payroll could come down. The Red Sox would surely love to find a taker on Masataka Yoshida or Jordan Hicks. The pair will make a combined $30.5MM in 2026 for luxury tax purposes, and while rival clubs surely won’t be interested in absorbing all of that salary (at least without sending their own bad contract back in exchange), it’s not impossible that Breslow could trade one or both players with cash included in order to save a bit of money. Jarren Duran has been in trade rumors for years, and dealing him would offload the $7.7MM salary he’s owed for 2026.

Bregman, Alonso, and Schwarber are all predicted by MLBTR for an annual salary between $26MM and $28MM. Even if the Red Sox were willing to push right up against the second threshold of the luxury tax, adding two of those bats would be impossible without shedding significant salary elsewhere. If the Red Sox are committed to remaining around the $245MM mark in 2026, then even bringing in one of those bats is likely to require moving some salary. With that said, all indications point to the club being willing to take a big swing on at least one of the offseason’s top hitters.

Some lower level bats Boston has been connected to like Kazuma Okamoto ($16MM), J.T. Realmuto ($15MM), and Jorge Polanco ($14MM) are predicted for significant more affordable annual salaries, however. Adding one star player such as Bregman alongside a player like Polanco or Realmuto from the next tier down in free agency might be doable within the team’s apparent financial limitations, though even that would require some salary to be moved out if the club is going to avoid the second luxury tax threshold. Those pieces wouldn’t have the guaranteed impact of someone like Schwarber, but would still represent a significant on-paper improvement over internal options like Kristian Campbell and Connor Wong.

Perhaps there’s a trade candidate or two who could make sense for the Red Sox, allowing them to add a bat for a relatively small financial outlay and potentially move out salary in a trade. Brendan Donovan ($5.4MM), Ryan Jeffers ($6.6MM), and Alec Bohm ($10.3MM) are all projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz for affordable arbitration salaries this year and placed in the top half of MLBTR’s Top 40 Trade Candidates list for the current offseason. Bringing one of those players into the mix would add a complementary bat to the lineup while still leaving ample room in the budget for a big swing at someone like Bregman or Alonso.

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  1. BPF

    2 months ago

    This article will bring the Red Sox haters out.

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    • simonkiller

      2 months ago

      Like Cubs fans, Red Sox fans practice self-hate.

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      • CC Ryder

        2 months ago

        It’s justified. As for the Cubs, they have the largest difference between revenue taken in and money spent on the team. That upsets people

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        • RyanD44

          1 month ago

          Based on chart purely created off speculation and estimates. People are treating that chart like it’s gospel.

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    • DBH1969

      2 months ago

      What do you expect? John Henry is claiming poverty ffs. Apparently he is one of the ones who didn’t get his EBT on time.

      Welcome back to the Yawkey years, folks. Another owner crying about money while funneling millions to outside organizations. I half expect to see Don Zimmer’s mummy as manager next year.

      SMH!!!!

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      • Poolhalljunkies

        2 months ago

        I don’t see how some writer siting unnamed sources implying the sox will take a modest loss is a straight line to henry claiming poverty…ask yourself this how many other mlb have and are willing to pass the first cut threshold?…not many

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        • DBH1969

          2 months ago

          Pool, how many of those other teams are the Effing Boston Red Sox, one of the most profitable teams in baseball?

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        • Dorothy_Mantooth

          2 months ago

          Typical Red Sox BS of an offseason. Breslow states the Red Sox are going to go all in for this season. The plan was to sign a #2 starter and 2 big bats to the lineup. So far, they have added a #3 SP on a 1 year, $21M deal (Sonny Gray) and then the team cries poor? With Bregman and Devers gone, the Red Sox offense is considerably worse than last year, and now they only have enough money to sign one big bat? Embarrasing for a team that is a Top 5 revenue producer.

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        • BPF

          2 months ago

          DM:
          “The plan was to sign a #2 starter and 2 big bats to the lineup.”

          Can you give exact place where Breslow stated that? More likely youre confusing ‘rumors’ with ‘facts’.
          ———-
          “they have added a #3”
          Whats the deal with alloting numbers to starters? He’s whatever he pitches himself into, and Bailey has time and again gotten pitchers to improve almost instantly.
          ———–
          “Devers gone”
          Devers was overrated and overpaid. Thank god they got rid of him. $30M for a DH for another 7 years is crazy.
          ————
          “Red Sox offense is considerably worse”
          – So, Anthony wont add improvement over a full season?
          – Red Sox arent adding anymore offense?
          – Rafaela, Abreu, Marcelo, Cambell, Casas, Garcia (all 26yo and under) will only produce 7 BWar again, even with more seasoning?
          ————-
          SMH at the ridiculousness.

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        • ray win

          2 months ago

          But they are really stocking Worcester with plenty of AAAA infielders.

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        • BPF

          2 months ago

          ray win:
          So what? They have two locks in Story and Marcelo. They are definitely bringing in a 1B and probably either a 2B or 3B thru FA or trade. With Romy Gonzalez, Nick Sogard, Nate Eaton, David Hamilton, Vaughn Grissom, Mickey Romero and Kristian Campbell behind them. There’s also a stud #2 Prospect in Portland named Franklin Arias, who’s expected in Boston by 2027.

          Youre seriously sweating the Red Sox adding Tristan Gray for depth?

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        • Poolhalljunkies

          2 months ago

          My point is that nobody was actually quoted saying any of this and the fact the statement is hedged with the cbt tax bs tells us this is an opinion piece in large part…which I for one will choose to treat as incomplete and worthless until there are some facts from this signing period or actual quotes on the record supporting it

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 months ago

          Dorothy, why should a top tier free agent come to Boston if they don’t see further improvements possible? The $700m offer to Soto was meaningless because everyone knew he was not leaving New York. It was all for show.

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        • Nikkel1011

          1 month ago

          As a Yankee fan, I couldn’t agree with you more. Besides, Devers was gone for more than half the year. Devers was a Yankee killer, so I’m kind of glad he’s in the other league now. 😉

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          Poolhalljunkies: CITING unnamed sources is more common, if not more effective.

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        • Poolhalljunkies

          1 month ago

          My bad on the spelling..you should work for a spellcheck service since you clearly understood my point regardless of the spelling error…i hope you help everyone you meet today in the same way and
          ..let us know how that goes

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          Poolhalljunkies: It’s nothing to get your panties all in a bunch over.

          But if you really need to shoot the messenger, make your aim true.

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        • Randy Red Sox

          1 month ago

          John Henry knows as long as the Sox stay “competitive” the fans will continue to support his team. Guy has become a miser.

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        • Poolhalljunkies

          1 month ago

          Says the person from “mad” magazine .. spellcheck police are usually the ones wearing panties..im not upset..I was making fun of you.lol my aim was perfect thanks!

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        • foppert3

          1 month ago

          Ha ha. The hate is so childish.

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          Poolhalljunkies: It’s my username in this case, not a character.

          Your response told us who’s wearing panties in this case.

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        • Poolhalljunkies

          1 month ago

          If you say so..it must be true…lol

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          stocking Worcester with plenty of AAAA infielders.
          =======================
          Still grinding on the Capra signing? You need to get over that.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          deweybelongsinthehall
          Dorothy, why should a top tier free agent come to Boston if they don’t see further improvements possible?
          =====================
          Adding a top-tier FA would be the ‘improvement’. How much more can be expected if we added Gray and Alonso, for example. Alonso isn’t going to decline a contract because he thinks he isn’t a good enough addition.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          since you clearly understood my point regardless of the spelling
          ==========================
          This not interoffice memo, and a lot of people use their phones. If I can understand your meaning, I couldn’t care less about the spelin.

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      • Butters

        1 month ago

        Very funny. Lots of humor can be found mostly in truth.

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      • wylie K MITCHELL

        1 month ago

        henry doesn’t own the red sox. hes the ceo of fenway sports the owner of the red sox. there’s 30 other owners that need a cut of the profits.

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    • FenwayMonster

      1 month ago

      I go back and forth with muting FPG. Most of the time his comments are taken with simply a puzzled look on my face. Other times his level of “expertise” is maddening.

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      • whyhayzee

        1 month ago

        You’re wearing panties.

        No, you’re wearing panties.

        All on a baseball site.

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  2. Fever Pitch Guy

    2 months ago

    Ummm…Duran already signed for next year, no need to use somebody else’s 2026 projection of his salary.

    In fact the signing was reported by a great website.

    mlbtraderumors.com/2025/11/red-sox-avoid-arbitrati…

    With that said, how sad is it the Hicks contract could prevent the huge need of a power bat from being filled.

    I love Jeffers, but he’s not the slugger needed. And Bohm? Seriously?

    The more they keep omitting Eugenio, the more I think he will be the signing.

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    • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

      2 months ago

      FPG – I think you may be right, however, i think they could wait Suarez out until right up to ST in order to maybe get him on a one year high aav contract.

      The M.O. of the front office has been that “they’re in” on everyone, who they don’t sign, and, the names of the people they are interested in are never mentioned.

      As I sit here watching English Soccer, it makes me wonder if one of the Japanese players aren’t the real target in an effort to grow the brand and increase revenue world wide?

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 months ago

        Sad – Suarez just had his best season since 2019 with lots of attention because of the M’s playoff run, I doubt he would settle for a 1-year deal.

        Yeah I’ve pointed that out a few times in the past, lots of signings happen when there’s never much “interest” reported beforehand. I get why they would put out misleading leaks though, it’s just gamesmanship.

        Red Sox reputation with Japanese players is not good, and they’ve taken a hit with Dominican players too because of the way Devers was treated. Boston is simply not a popular destination right now, which is a big reason why they never land most of the big free agents they target. Bregman was the exception because of Fenway, Cora, etc.

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        • cdchi

          2 months ago

          FPG
          I’ve always thought that the idea of a MLB team losing money was a farce. Especially one like the Red Sox. The massive TV deals, parking, concessions and other merchandising deals,ect. Every year the value of a franchise goes up 5,10% or more. I think it’s crazy to believe any of these teams are ‘losing money’s . Like it or not these owners are some of the most shrewd business people around. Some would like you to believe because maybe they did not make as much money this season as in past past seasons, they can pass that off as a loss. It infuriates me that a team with such an iconic history as the Pirates can be captained ( see what I did there) by an owner that really cannot guide them properly. I know not every team can be the Dodgers, Yankees,or the Sox but don’t tell me or any other fan you are losing money.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          cdc – There are some instances where teams will lose money in a given year, like the Mets. When they have $444M in revenue and their player payroll alone is $350M then yeah you’re gonna lose money.

          You nailed it, especially with the Pirates who have turned a nice profit thanks to revenue sharing.

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        • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

          2 months ago

          Even though Suarez has every red flag imaginable the man still hit 49 home runs so of course that warrants a multi-year deal

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        • Ma4170

          2 months ago

          Not just last year – suarez was also one of the best hitters in baseball second half of 2024. He’ll get more than a one year deal

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        • DirtyWater04

          1 month ago

          cdchi,

          I would assume for the vast majority of teams owning and operating an MLB team is similar to farming, in the sense that you’re asset rich but not necessarily always cash rich. Your biggest assets are real estate and brand value, which aren’t liquid assets. You do generate massive revenues, yes, but each year also comes with pretty substantial and not necessarily equalized cost of revenue. I do believe them that they probably have a year here or there that they may run at a slight loss. But I don’t believe that there’s any possibility they are routinely running up sustained losses year after year. And unlike in farming, even in those one-off down years, most of these owners have other businesses and sources of wealth and cash flow that it’s not like they’re actually personally hurting because of it, so I don’t feel bad for them.

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        • cdchi

          1 month ago

          DW4
          Agreed. None of the MLB owners have just the team as a sole business. These are smart people that have made billions in there many fields. None of them got into baseball to lose money. I can’t say I am a financial expert on the revenues on a baseball franchise. It just irks me that some owners won’t spend the money to make there team competitive. Why did you purchase the team?? Why were you allowed to buy the team by MLB? Fans of the Red Sox complain about John Henry,as is our right,but he does spend . How about being a fan of the Pirates ? IDK.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          cdc – hi!

          Spending should be in line with revenue though. For what the Sox bring in, they are VERY cheap.

          There’s a ranking that comes out every year of the teams in order of cheapness based on revenue-to-payroll, the Red Sox consistently come out among the cheapest.

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      • Alfred E Neuman

        1 month ago

        Sad.Sox: What makes you think Suarez would linger that long on the market?

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        • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

          1 month ago

          Alfred- personally, I don’t think that Suarez will make it to Spring Training unsigned, nor do I think he will end up signing a 1yr deal. I was inarticulate in making my point.

          The point was more like what happened to Bregman last year. In November we’d all say there’s no chance that he makes it to ST unsigned, nor will he sign a 1yr deal, but ends up that’s exactly what happened.

          What i meant is, to correct myself, if Suarez finds himself in a similar situation this year, I would jump at the chance to lock him in for a year

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          And so would at least a dozen other teams.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          sad – That’s fair, but really Bregman didn’t sign a 1-year deal because if he had missed most of the season or had a bad season then he’d still be with the Sox next year.

          So you’d be banking on Suarez opting out, which may not happen.

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        • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

          1 month ago

          FPG – did you think that Boras and Bregman didn’t know exactly what they were doing? They needed to shake the draft pick compensation to hit the market free and clear

          He was always opting out, it may have said three years, but it was really a 1yr deal….LOL

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        • WaitTil2026

          1 month ago

          Yup. Unless injured, he was always going to try again.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Sad – I think he needed to rebuild his value after a poor offensive season last year.

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    • LordD99

      2 months ago

      I’m seeing two types of messaging coming from different financial camps. Traditional bigger spending teams like the Red Sox here suggesting they’re financially up against their limits, as well as the Yankees humorously suggesting they don’t make money. On the flip side, we’re seeing stories suggesting that lower-spending teams like the Pirates and Reds and Marlins are looking to increase payroll. This is all coordinated messaging by owners as they gear up for CBA negotiations.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 months ago

        Lord – This is why I prefer Forbes, who are always much more reasonable and have excellent sources.

        Red Sox had a $120M profit in 2024, likely higher this year because of the playoff run. Unless a large revenue stream ended after last year, they probably had at last a $150M profit this year.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          2 months ago

          How much is a reasonable profit? $120M? $100M? $50M? 0? Teams need to make some profit.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 months ago

          Suit – the idea of profit is you dont get to reserve it as an expense and claim you operate at a loss because you dont meet your hoped for profit quota. You’re still making money after baseball operations expenses (stadium/personell/players/etc) are covered.

          I went to a car meet. After deducting my costs of inventory and attendance, there was money left generated by sales. It was less than I hoped for. That doesnt mean I was unprofitable because I couldn’t give myself as much money as I wanted and still be set up for the next event

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          2 months ago

          ….and how much is a reasonable profit for the Red Sox to target per year? $100M doesn’t seem unreasonable to me.

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        • foppert3

          2 months ago

          So you saw the Forbes article indicating mlb teams lost 1.8b last year ?

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        • GASoxFan

          2 months ago

          According to Spotrac, the 2025 redsox *actual* payroll, not tax – which matters because we’re talking about profit, not lost compared picks or whatnot – looked like this:

          Active roster: $129,032,021 (10th)
          Injured List: $ 31,081,838 (13th)
          Dead Money: $ 7,360,000 ( 2nd)
          Retained: $ 32,764,827 ( 7th)
          Minor League: $ 3,420,699 (15th)

          Total of all: $203,658,855 (12th)

          Personally, I think 100m profit in that light *IS* excessive when compared to what is invested in the onfield player talent product.

          With that type of actual payroll expenditure, Id support a $30-40m profit, around 15-20% of player payouts. And by profit. I mean including any payments to any owner or investor added in, not just your principals

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          2 months ago

          GA: So, the Red Sox are paying the players $203M and are keeping $120M for themselves in profit and that is unacceptable? I don’t think they makes sense. They are paying the players more than themselves. Again: What is a reasonable profit target for the Red Sox?

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        • GASoxFan

          2 months ago

          Suit, I said it above. That 203m isnt just to the players on the team and competing at some level in the organization for the fans. It includes money the executives decided to send outside the organization for guys not to play in Boston.

          But, I did include a target. I think anywhere in the 15-20% range of what they spend in total on players, even including those business decisions for guys not on the team, is a fair return.

          IIRC, in other leagues players wind up with around 48-50% of gross revenue – not profit. Again, gross, before any costs of running the team or stadiums or taxes or personnel etc etc etc. That would be your NFL, NBA, NHL.

          If we extrapolate that to the Red Sox, if MLB were to follow a similar model that is successful in every other sport, theyre light on the player share based on estimates of gross income and known actual player salaries.

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          foppert3: That number represents tax losses, which don’t translate to cash losses. It’s based primarily on depreciation of capital assets, the best and oldest accounting tool in the box.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          GA: “I think anywhere in the 15-20% range of what they spend in total on players”
          =============================
          So, you think Red Sox ownership should be happy with a $40M profit? The ownership group should split up the salary of one good player among themselves and be happy? I think that is very unrealistic. I would target more than that if I was an owner.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          I do.

          I think 50% of gross revenue should be invested in player salaries across all levels. The other 50% covers everything else, including any profit for owners.

          If they want extra, grow the sport for everyone’s benefit, and, cut down on executive perk expenses. If you dont think these owners are blowing team funds on lavish receptions, private jet flights, etc within their expenses you need to rethink things.

          They also keep money by accounting tricks. Depreciation of physical assets is the biggest one. They depreciate property out for loss purposes, but, are left holding assets of value despite tax-wise being fully depreciated. Its smoke and mirrors.

          There is no reason not to target 50% of gross revenue to player salaries. Boston can afford much more than 203m at that 50% figure.

          And they can still net their higher profit, they just cook the books less because of the actual salary expense.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          GA: I wouldn’t give the players that much. I need to be making good money as an owner.

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        • foppert3

          1 month ago

          No mention of that in what I’ve read. Point me in that direction and I’ll have a read.

          I’m thinking the reaction to that information is the usual baseball fan MO. Not in line with my existing opinion……therefore not credible or contains some sort of misleading subterfuge.

          Happy to be proven wrong though.

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        • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

          1 month ago

          Suit, GASox, et al – there are dozens of ways to obfuscate the actual numbers.
          One of the most important ways to hide actual costs is the insurance payments made on injured players who are lost for long stretches, or for the season. It doesn’t count against the tax, but it certainly does count in the wallet.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          Sad: I agree we don’t know the real numbers. I was just assuming the Forbes numbers posted by FPG are accurate, but they may not be. Forbes is guessing like everyone else.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 month ago

          ALL, it’s not only profit but cash flow is important to an investor like Henry.

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        • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

          1 month ago

          Dewey – that’s why I brought up the Liverpool situation before. The club’s board of directors and the sport’s governing body doesn’t allow any one owner to treat the team like an ATM. You are just a steward of the community trust. A profit, yes, but blatantly running off with bags of money, no.

          I’m not saying I want that for baseball, but something more similar to what the NFL does would work

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Suit: and that’s what makes this site great to me, IMO. You’ve got your opinion, entirely valid and entitled to. Ive got mine, very different, and, I believe also equally acceptable (even if I may be biased 😉 )

          Meanwhile, we can disagree on a point like revenue splits, and, id still gladly buy you a drink talking baseball amd whatever else someday if we wound up in the fens at the same time.

          Unfortunately, neither of us are owners LOL…

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Sad – thats why, in some ways, MLB is a bit like that NASCAR saga going on. Its an outlier, and, it doesnt have labor peace because its sticking to an outdated model that doesnt reflect what serves as both fair but eliminating many points of contention.

          There should *not* be McCourt or Pohlad situations in modern sports… Or, as is developing, the Red Sox heading down that same sorry road.

          If for no other reason than their cash cow prop bet modeling and gambling sweethearts, they want healthy competition and enough of a semi-level playing field to drive up viewership and spur extra wagering.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          GA: Agreed and apologies that I missed something you wrote.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Suit –

          No need to apologize, im as likely to forget i wrote it as you are to forget you read it!

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        • WaitTil2026

          1 month ago

          All, they have the right to determine how they want to manage the team. That’s the definition of an “owner”.

          If we assume that this limits them to one more major signing, a minor signing, and/or a trade to fill the remaining gaps, then I think they’ll come up a bit short of the best teams in the league. Will offer my take when I see the roster they take to Spring Training, but right now I’m not expecting anything appreciably different from last year – a playoff appearance but probably not making it to the World Series.

          Other team owners are choosing to be significantly more aggressive, as is their right as owners.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 month ago

          All, sometimes the more you spend, the more you make. Many Sox fans including me believe they take their MLB profits to invest elsewhere trying for an estimated larger return whereas us fans believe the profits should be returned to the club since we are the ones that provided it.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          1 month ago

          Sad, agreed.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          dewey – The problem is FSG has their hands in too many other things, so they are using the Red Sox and Fenway as an ATM to fund those other things.

          I’m not just talking about the other sports franchises they own, projects such as Fenway Corners involve massive investments.

          As long as they keep making hundreds of millions in profit with low payrolls, as they did last year, there’s no reason for them to increase player payroll. Winning is not a priority for John Henry, he already has 8 WS championship rings. Profit is more important than winning, and MLB is fine with that because THEIR priorities revolve around profit as well.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          FPG: “As long as they keep making hundreds of millions in profit”
          =======================
          That might be true, but no one has provided any proof of that. You provided a Forbes guess that the Red Sox made $120M in profit in 2025, but provided no link as usual.

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          deweybelongs: “Many Sox fans including me believe they take their MLB profits to invest elsewhere trying for an estimated larger return.”

          You have proof of this?

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        • WaitTil2026

          1 month ago

          There has been talk that the FSG is preparing a bid for an NBA team. Can connect the dots or not…

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        • Alfred E Neuman

          1 month ago

          GASoxFan: But it does mean you’re a used car salesman, so why should anyone believe anything you say? 🤣

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Alfred: you’ve got me laughing over here…

          But, nah, I sell the parts from classic/muscle cars a few times a year, supports the hobby and gets rid of spares i dont need… Selling the cars themselves isnt as great a business when you consider insuring against theft/loss, space, time, people with unrealistic expectations… I dont find it worth it. Most older things wind up consignment for those very reasons, not sure of many guys specializing in the sale of old cars and trucks who heavily invest in buying themselves. Most are 70-90% consignment inventory with an occasional thing they buy to sell or rotate out of their own collections.

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        • acell10

          1 month ago

          suit: I don’t believe for a moment that the Red Sox lost money or failed to make a profit. From the available data that the braves provided they made $600 million in revenue and over $120 million in profit.

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    • steldarl87

      1 month ago

      Oy on Eugenio. Lots of homers, weak glove, tons of k’s and low obp.

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      • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

        1 month ago

        Steldarl187 – I’m not defending Eugenio, don’t get me wrong.
        But, where are these players that hit homeruns, don’t strikeout, play gold glove defense and walk found? Not this off-season, but throughout the history of baseball?
        There is a purpose to carrying a classic slugger in your lineup. Not only does he hit homeruns (which the Sox desperately need) but he changes the mindset of a pitcher and opposing manager, makes the hitters in front of him better.
        The Sox need slug immediately and there are maybe two or three imperfect players that can supply that this off-season. If youre not at least talking about Alonso, Suarez or Bichette youre not being serious about roster construction. The “contact first” Blue Jays hit more homeruns than the Sox did.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          sad – Well said!

          Case in point, Napoli had a 32.7 K% in 2013 ….. I don’t hear anyone complaining about the season he had.

          Suarez this year was 35.9 which is not that much of a difference.

          OPS+ was nearly identical too, Suarez 126 to Napoli 128.

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        • DirtyWater04

          1 month ago

          I think the crux of it is that we had a more patient and balanced lineup back then. Napoli’s K rate could be absorbed because we didn’t have a whole lineup full of guys flailing out there. Nap also took a bunch of walks with the K’s.

          Now, I won’t be mad if we add Suarez. We need a power bat and someone who can play corner infield. He objectively is that.

          He just isn’t the guy I’d be most excited about because we already have so many guys who strike out too much and can’t draw a walk, that given the choice I’d prefer to go after a guy who doesn’t compound that issue like Alonso or Bregman. Or if getting a high K guy, at least someone in the Napoli mold like Schwarber who also walks a ton too.

          But if we get beat for the big names and the choice becomes Eugenio or nothing, then yes Eugenio is obviously a much better option than nothing.

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  3. cwsOverhaul

    2 months ago

    “If” RSox have sincere interest in Schwarber, throw his agent the walkaway offer to force Philly’s hand. The latter may be forced to decide whether trying to maybe outbid a couple other deep pocket teams for Tucker is worth landing neither.

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      No. I wouldn’t dismiss a lefty bat, but they will be relatively less effective than a RH bat.

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  4. darcy12368@yahoo.com 2

    2 months ago

    How can they be so close to last year’s payroll when they don’t have Devers or Bregman?

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    • BPF

      2 months ago

      1) They’re not, theyre $22M under it right now.
      2) Youve already signed a pitcher
      3) Only a third of Devers contract is in the payroll, the rest went to SF. Also, Red Sox had to take on a short-term bad contract to offset Dever’s bad contract.
      4) Young players get raises, such as Duran

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    • Horace Fury

      2 months ago

      Two big extensions kick in. Last year, Crochet counted for about $3 mil and Anthony less than $1 mil toward the CBT levels. This year the extensions kick in–Crochet now counts for over $28 mil and Anthony for over $16 mil toward the CBT payroll, an increase together of more than $40 mil over last year.

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      • BPF

        2 months ago

        Both, Crochet and Anthony counted the same last year as this year. $28.33M and $16.25M respectfully.

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        • Horace Fury

          2 months ago

          You forced me to check Cot’s contracts for year-end 2025. Crochet’s CBT hit for 2025 was $3.8 million and Anthony’s was less than a half million. The extensions take effect in 2026.

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        • BPF

          2 months ago

          Yeah, my bad. I read it wrong. Those numbers start in 2026.

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      • Horace Fury

        2 months ago

        Another point, if you will: Anthony is only being paid around $3 mil this year, but the AAV over the life of his extension, in which he is being paid a LOT by the end, is $16.25 mil per year, so his actual payroll hit in 2026 is small compared to the AAV amount.

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      • Ketch

        2 months ago

        But financial losses are against payroll (re: expenses) not luxury tax…

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 months ago

          Ketch – Good catch ;O)

          Yes financial loss has nothing to do with CBT figures.

          For instance Sandoval’s CBT hit next year will be the same as this year, but he’s getting paid $7.25M more next year.

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        • Horace Fury

          2 months ago

          Darcy (above) doesn’t say if he is asking about actual payroll or CBT payroll. I answered as if the Q were about the latter. Actual payroll is only money, and only the owners care about that. CBT payroll determines all sorts of penalties and restrictions that inhibit the team’s ability to make roster moves; anyone who follows their team’s personnel and roster decisions should care about this.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          Horace – He was commenting on the article which specified actual payroll, as CBT payroll doesn’t impact any team’s P&L.

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        • Horace Fury

          1 month ago

          The fourth paragraph is all about “luxury tax” payroll, so that’s what stuck in my mind as I was writing about payroll matters.

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      • WCSoxFan

        2 months ago

        Some other CBT issues which are easy to miss:
        1. The Red Sox will have a ~2mil charge for Devers for the rest of his contract due to the large signing bonus he received.
        2. The Red Sox took on Hicks’ 12mil/yr from the Devers trade which means the full AAV savings for 2026 & 2027 is only ~15mil from moving Devers.
        3. The Red Sox extended Campbell for 60mil/8 which hits them for 7.5mil/yr, whether he’s in the majors or not.

        Given that the Red Sox were committed to go after the tax last year and made the playoffs, I’m confident they’re going over this year and likely 2027 as well. After 2027 thru have a while lot of money coming off the books, which will allow them to get back under the tax for 2028.

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  5. mcase7187

    2 months ago

    Imagine that Henry is cheapening out again even though their one of the most expensive teams in ticket and concessions

    Now we’ll get to listen to all redsox fans cry and say they’re done with the team but will still watch and go to games proven that Henry’s way is working

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    • stymeedone

      2 months ago

      You forgot they have one of the smallest capacities of any MLB stadium.

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      • GASoxFan

        2 months ago

        The question isnt always as much about stadium capacity as it is total attendance rate. The redsox, despite capacity constraints, usually do well on comparative yearly attendance rankings, and, the scarcity of seats allows them to set a higher premium per seat than a larger capacity would support.

        Attendance x ticket prices, they do quite well.

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      • Oppo nacho

        2 months ago

        37k is still plenty of seats and the had the 10th highest attendance in 2025

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    • all in the suit that you wear

      2 months ago

      I doubt the Red Sox “fans” crying here are going to many games.

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      • GASoxFan

        2 months ago

        Suit, you may remember this fact better than me as chemo fog is happening this morning, and, you seem to have a decent memory on club positions…

        Didn’t Henry talk at one point about a goal of selling ‘the fenway experience’ to general fans and tourists? Im not saying he meant you 100% abandon the local fan base, but, I seem to have the impression ownership envisioned that a certain healthy non-majority of attendance to games would consist of non-redsox fans.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          2 months ago

          GA: I don’t pay much attention to what people in business and politics say. I wait and see what they do and I will wait and see what the Red Sox do in this offseason before I reach conclusions.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          2 months ago

          @GASox. I doubt I know more than you on this subject but the idea of selling the Fenway experience to tourists does make some amount of sense. Fenway is the oldest active MLB park. I could see them selling the history and pagentry of baseball.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 months ago

          Sal – the problem is when they rely on that for establishing how active to be and how much to invest in the team, justifying they can alienate the fan base and water down the product because theyre not selling the red Sox experience anymore, theyre selling a museum tour.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          2 months ago

          LOL! Museum tour. They also have a pretty good broadcasting income as well.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          And even that broadcasting revenue is less red Sox focused. First they used NESN assets to handle the Penguins rsn in Pittsburgh. Then, as antithetical as it seems, they parlayed this into handling the Pirates rsn presence.

          Look it up. Fenway sports group, owner of the Red Sox, owns a large chunk of the Pittsburgh Pirates RSN.

          It shouldnt be allowed, yet, it is.

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    • kingken67

      1 month ago

      The ticket price argument is a weak one. It’s based on average ticket price, which other teams drive down their costs by having extremely cheap seats in the 3rd tier seating levels in the extreme OF corners and CF areas. When you compare ticket prices by ballpark area (field box, loge box, etc) the prices to see a game at Fenway aren’t any more expensive than places like NY or LA. Often times they’re actually a little less than those other parks.

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      • Joemo

        1 month ago

        Ken – but because the Sox don’t have those “cheaper” seat options, fans are forced to pay more money per ticket if they want to go to a game.

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        • kingken67

          1 month ago

          And? Are you saying the Sox shouldn’t charge as much and work from even more of a disadvantage in gate revenue? Or are they supposed to find a way to add a 3rd deck of seating somehow? Or is it just pointless griping?

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        • Joemo

          1 month ago

          I am just stating a fact. It is expensive for Red Sox fans to go to games. And I gave a reason, because they don’t have the cheap seats! Now adding more seats would be a way to get some cheaper ticket prices, but I’m sure they’d still charge an arm and a leg for them.

          And “even more of a disadvantage in gate revenue” oh Lord, am I speaking to Sam KENnedy here? The Sox are one of the most profitable teams in baseball. If they invested more in their roster, they could be the most profitable. If they do see a disadvantage in gate revenue, it’s because the product they put on the field was awful. Fans flock to Fenway. I remember some recent Yankee and dodgers series where there were more fans of those teams in the stands than Sox fans. Embarrassing

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  6. GASoxFan

    2 months ago

    The idea the redsox are operating at a loss is laughable and further destroys Henry, Kennedy, and Co’s credibility with the fan base.

    The only way that payroll leads to a loss is if youre factoring in mandatory distributions to the parent FSG and all the various equity funds and capital groups that bought in getting dividends, and, the Corners project getting money set aside, all as first priority before any other expense.

    There’s absolutely team revenue that could be spent on players if all that other BS isnt getting priority treatment.

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    • stymeedone

      2 months ago

      So, if they remove their other financial obligations, they could spend more on payroll? Wow, wish I had thought of that. Think of how much they could spend if they didn’t pay their taxes!

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      • GASoxFan

        2 months ago

        Styme – while I appreciate good sarcasm as much as the next guy, the fact is they choose to set those payouts as misplaced priorities.

        They dont, and never needed, to make these choices. And the money that came in from any stakes they sold to equity partners wasn’t accompanied by some large influx to the baseball club – it went to ventures in other sports, like golf, soccer, and hockey. And likely into ownership pockets.

        Its like watching the Mccourt/Pohlad debacle unfold in real time.

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        • DBH1969

          2 months ago

          GA, or the Yawkey’s payouts to foundations and other non-baseball related organizations.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 months ago

          DBH – The reason I distinguish this from yawkey, or the yawkey trust years especially, is that those events were a series of one time payments, sure it bled off assets, but, it didnt really create future encumbrances that restricted the future use of funds.

          What’s happening now is more akin to what those others did, crippling the franchise finances going forward by giving away shares of future revenue for non-baseball purposes. Or, saddling the red Sox with obligations to keep paying, for no consideration or substantial/appreciable benefits flowing back to the team.

          Meanwhile, theres been no return to the baseball club flowing back from the PGA,Liverpool,Penguins interests purchased by siphoning money away from the baseball team.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          2 months ago

          GA: You have no idea if any of that is true. The Red Sox books are not open to the public.

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        • GASoxFan

          2 months ago

          Suit – i deal in probabilities.

          Attendance figures are public. As are ticket sale average costs. You can extrapolate non-sponsorship revenue, as well as the revenue sharing slice that is guaranteed to remain with the club.

          In-person expenditures per fan per game are not guaranteed, but, you could set a minimal level to be expected as the fans spending zero inside are easily offset by those spending healthily.

          Walk the concourse at games and the food/beverage concourse aren’t abandoned.

          We know the actual player payroll. (Substantially less than CBT figures) And we’re told theyre pleading poverty. That money is going somewhere, with no major ballpark renovations ongoing inside fenway and its not to player salaries.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          2 months ago

          GA: You are dealing in guesses. How much do they pay for insurance and employees healthcare?

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        • WCSoxFan

          2 months ago

          I’d like to point out that as fans we sometimes forget that there are far more costs to running a baseball team than paying the players. The Red Sox current ownership group has invested over 400mil into Fenway and depending on how they amortized it, there’s likely a large portion still affecting the overall budget. They have their 1.6bil 4 corners development plan as well, which will likely eat into some of the future budget (whether it should or not). This comes along with the typical costs of running a ball club which all teams incur, and those costs are likely a bit higher in Boston than most cities.

          Since the Red Sox won their last world series, their revenue estimate have been fairly static while the rest of MLB revenue has risen. Part of this is due to the product they have had on the field and may increase with greater success, but this plays back into the size of Fenway as there isn’t much room for attendance increases when demand increases – the only choice to further increase gate receipts would be to raise prices, which somewhat caps future earnings potential.

          I do believe the Red Sox should be able to spend closely with the Phillies and Blue Jays and doubt that they would ever lose money (can’t imagine Henry would allow that to happen). But it does make sense from an accounting perspective to operate the Red Sox at a loss while making a profit in other areas related to the Red Sox – as long as the overall FSG profits are neutral or positive then whether one part loses money doesn’t really matter. Henry/Werner are beholden to the investors to not lose money, but as long as they break even they’re likely all happy assuming the franchise valuation continues to appreciate.

          One last thing: Red Sox fans have supported the team strongly for well over one hundred years, so there’s relatively little the ownership can do to expand future revenue. This differs from when Dodgers/Mets ownership took over and went crazy with payroll while absorbing huge losses – they did this in order to greatly increase future revenue (a success for the Dodgers and TBD for the Mets), but this strategy only works because those fanbases don’t support their teams during bad times.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          GaSox – Hard to believe anyone would immediately say “Only the Red Sox know their P&L, everyone else who creates estimates should be ignored! Don’t look behind the curtain, it’s all 100% inaccurate and all data they provide should be ignored!! The Great and Powerful FSG has spoken!!!”.

          Well, hard to believe anyone who doesn’t get paid by the team would say such a thing ;O)

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Fever- i think I know who youre talking about, and, if my guess is correct, I’ll toss you a suggestion that youre welcome to disregard, its worth less than what youre paying for it

          At least on here, if not real life, his approach is he wants clear recorded documentation from an unimpeachable source in order to accept something as fact, and, make a statement based upon it.

          The alternate legal standard of more likely than not isnt good enough for him, he prefers a beyond a doubt standard.

          Doesn’t make him a bad guy, and, I can get into my own share of disagreements with him LOL.

          But, its still a solid baseball fan who does try to learn and accumulate knowledge. In my book that makes it someone worth giving a shot to, even if you won’t have so many speculative hypothetical conversations on this rumors site with him. A friend of mine would say hes a good egg. Just have to filter the comments through that lens.

          Maybe we’ll have a Christmas miracle and you two can bury the preconceptions that flood the mind before reading comments – from both sides. (Although, tbh, no clue if he’s interested either hahaha.)

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    • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

      2 months ago

      GASoxFan – you absolutely hit it right on the head!
      Liverpool just spent the largest amount ever for a transfer. Do you know why that is? The Clubs in the Premier League are run by a Board with an open ledger, which is mandated by soccer’s governing body. So, while Henry may want to be financially prudent he can twist arms in the meetings, but almost certainly can be overruled.
      I am guessing, but I’d say outside of their internal auditors (who probably have to sign a NDA) there’s probably only a handful of people who know exactly what the Red Sox actually make.
      It is utterly insulting to everyone to say that increased payroll would make the Sox unprofitable. Say, there are “other commitments and future outlays” or say that Kennedy is blowing all the money on “employee communication training”, but don’t tell an already untrusting fan base, that spends lots of money to watch, that the Sox would be unprofitable.
      There isn’t anyone who would begrudge them from making money, but don’t lie to us.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 months ago

        Sad – Great info about Liverpool, thank you! I didn’t know that.

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      • Frenchredsox

        1 month ago

        Actually it was Liverpool’s largest transfer not the largest ever. But this comes on the heels of winning the Premiership and benefitting from spending millions upgrading the capacity of the ground.
        It’s difficult to compared UK soccer (or soccer in general) as hardly ever do players hit FA and there isn’t FA offseason. What is a fact no self respecting CEO or GM will openly (at the start of FA season) say they will overpay or have unlimited funds for it – it’s simply bad negotiating tactics – I still remember A-Rod getting Texas to bid against themselves … so Breslow is only tempering players’ and agents’ expectations and every year players’ get an overpay or underpay depending on the market

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          Frenchredsox: “no self respecting CEO or GM will openly (at the start of FA season) say they will overpay or have unlimited funds for it – it’s simply bad negotiating tactics”
          ===================
          Good point. Hopefully, this is not true or a ploy.

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        • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

          1 month ago

          French – no one is asking Kennedy, Breslow or Cora to say ANYTHING. What i’m saying is stop saying everything! Go about your business.
          On the Liverpool front, after winning the Cup the club went out and paid for their biggest transfer ever. This is in direct contrast to what the Sox did after winning in 2018, they tore the Sox down. If it were Henry alone I doubt he wouldve made the Wirtz move.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 months ago

      GaSox – Great post! This is why Forbes is considered the best source for estimated team financials, they aren’t controlled by MLB.

      Last year the Sox had the largest Operating Income in MLB at $120M, obviously there’s no chance of that disappearing next year unless they jack up player payroll by $120M which they won’t.

      Everything Red Sox management says is just noise, we’ve learned that for many years now. They cater to the casual fans who don’t know any better.

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      • GASoxFan

        1 month ago

        Fever – fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me… problem is, lately, red sox nation has had things pulled over for year after year.

        I like to pretend I’ve given some extra leash to the new front office on some of their moves, decisions, and policies. But at some point, theres got to be a marked departure from the ‘new’ way of operating that began late 2019, and closer to the model that successfully brought home 4 championships in a 15 year window, and almost more.

        Some changes have happened, but, its growing clear at the top brass, they havent changed much…

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          GaSox – Yeah I totally agree.

          Every off-season I give them the benefit of the doubt until Opening Day, thinking/praying that THIS will finally be the year they try to win.

          I think that’s a fair approach. They’ve changed before, they can change again … right? I ask that as I try to convince myself. 😆

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      • Frenchredsox

        1 month ago

        Thank you for the *supposed* profit margin/levels. But two simple points – firstly , Henry became a billionaire not on sporting knowledge but on Business acumen – he hires guys for the sporting side be it GM or CEOs of playing side. And modern day sports owners don’t treat the sport as a toy or a loss maker *a la Steinbrenner* , it’s to minimise losses and yes,make a profit. Henry hired Theo, Theo then brought the management,analytics and also the players to break the curse and start a dynasty of winning WS. So yes , Henry has faults but also has « ballpark » number so that the club can be sustainable and self-sufficient.

        Secondly, it’s December 1 of the *Hot Stove* and you don’t tell agents/players it’s they have millions of excess cash to giveaway, that’s pay negotiations 101.
        The point I wanted to emphasise is the team is solid and there are 3 months to strengthen it, but no team in the MLB « can afford to go all » because if you fail you suddenly have to rebuild like the Cardinals are doing or the WSox do annually. Why maybe Imai may be signed as #2 or Alonso or someone « we don’t even know », even in Spring deals can be made … looking at the AL East no one is ahead and possibly the Jays have regressed.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          French – With all due respect, you have a few things very wrong there.

          For example, Henry didn’t “hire Theo”. Larry Lucchino had a VERY long history with Theo and mentored him since his days as an intern with the Orioles. He then brought him to San Diego, and then brought him to Boston. It was all Larry, Theo owes everything to him.

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        • Joemo

          1 month ago

          French – the Jays have regressed? How so? They literally just signed Cease.

          And teams can spend money without going all in. Look at the Dodgers and Mets. Those guys sure do manage to spend a lot, and the Mets even failed that one season with Scherzer and Verlander but made a pretty quick recovery. The White Sox are a poorly ran team. Cardinals were a poorly ran team in recent memory.

          The thing is we have seen this same old song and dance before from the Red Sox, Fenway Sports Group, and Breslow. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a little, but that time has ran out.

          He traded for Gray because he knew that FSG wouldn’t approve of a big FA SP – even though I dont necessarily love any of them. It’s the reason why he got Crochet after losing out on Fried.

          The Red Sox are not only self-sustaining, they fund whatever other business ventures that FSG wants to get in. And that’s crazy.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Fever, the writing on the wall I see is multi-part. Now, this is speculative, but, there is a correlation in it all.

          Look at the facts: you had the winningest ball club in team history in 2018. They mostly ran it back, and, Cora screwed the pooch with his ST handling of the staff. Thats a fact.

          Once they got over that extended rough start, the team was winning at a percentage among the best in MLB for the next few months, but, had too big of a hole. Then, guys got hurt, especially Sale. Ownership had decided they wanted to lower payroll and siphon funds for the penguins, the PGA, and even with an eye towards the NBA/NFL if he could. DD knew more about the profit/loss than the average person, and, probably pushed back. He certainly wasn’t willing to trade guys and ditch players when he knew he had a WS caliber roster that could potentially win a few more WS. Brass wanted it cut back and not renewed guys or extend guys. Thus DD was run out of town.

          I believe that Larry got banished to the PawSox because at executive brass level meetings they decided amongst the principals by majority that that was the exact pathway they, except Larry, wanted to take the team down. Make it a cash cow to strip assets and earnings out of to fund soccer, PGA, hockey, an even NBA and NFL if they could. Larry didnt like the idea and got forced out to clear the way.

          That grand plan would also see bringing in minority partners and equity firms that would give big chunks up front to spend elsewhere, in exchange for drastically handicapping the future red sox teams by committing to raiding the coffers to pay out dividends.

          Larry and DD resisted the corporate raider philosophy. They got run out of town accordingly

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 month ago

          GaSox – Possibly the best post I’ve ever seen on this site. As usual you are spot on!

          Two HOF executives run out of town by the same owner within just 4 years ….. unimaginable.

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  7. Joemo

    2 months ago

    I love it when FSG tries to claim poor with the Red Sox. It’s hilarious. They are a literal cash cow. Reinvest that money in the team.

    I also saw many, many people claiming that trading Devers will allow them to reinvest that money in another great bat. I’m not holding my breath on that one.

    The Sox have a great young core, some great pitching prospects (finally), and they are still refusing to invest in the team. Now the off-season is young, but articles like this don’t exactly inspire confidence given the recent off-seasons.

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    • fitted54

      2 months ago

      Well said

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    • GASoxFan

      2 months ago

      Joe – they’ll invest the money in a great bat… literally. What they won’t as likely invest in is the great player to swing that high quality wood bat they plan to buy.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 months ago

        GaSox – They’ll probably use the money to expand their analytics department again, how can you expect to win with a department of only 350?

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    • WCSoxFan

      2 months ago

      At this point the Red Sox are 2nd in MLB at increasing payroll for the off-season. Take a breath, we have a long way to go.

      There’s plenty of time for these posts in spring training in case the sky does fall.

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  8. GhostofThomasHamilton

    2 months ago

    This article is nothing but clickbait for haters

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      Every RS is. If we sign a new hot dog vendor, we’ll have 50 responses to ‘hiring the slowest hot dog vendor in MLB’.

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      • GASoxFan

        1 month ago

        Joe, youre spot on. Those hot dog vendors were SLOW last game I was at fenway. 😉

        Hope you had a great thanksgiving!

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        • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

          1 month ago

          GaSox – the hot dog vendor’s underlying metrics are among the best in the food concession business, if we can platoon him with a soda vendor then there’s no need for a high pool priced lobster roll guy!

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          The problem is, the cracker jack guy and cotton candy guys may be looking at a TJ surgery with extended layoff because of the focus on hurling max effort over technique. That’ll leave some holes in the concession rotation

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        • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

          1 month ago

          It’s all ownership’s fault, they need to spend more money and sign Steak to a multi year, top dollar contract

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          Hope you had a great thanksgiving!
          =====================
          I would’ve, but turkey was so slow being passed around, I missed out on the legs:)

          How was yours? Still collecting vintage Mustangs?

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Joe – Guess you needed one of those madden birds. Next year add a few extra legs on before baking!

          As for me, it was mostly nice, quiet, and relaxing… aside from my ex trying to break into the house Saturday and having to drive home and meet the sheriff LOL….

          But otherwise, low key and just what I needed.

          Its funny you mention the mustangs too, I’m actively in the market for one right now! Have you ever picked up a car yourself like you were looking for?

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  9. whyhayzee

    2 months ago

    Always nice to read these articles over the Thanksgiving weekend. He said she said maybe yes maybe no whatever blah blah blah.

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  10. This one belongs to the Reds

    2 months ago

    I have no rooting interest there, but I find it hard to believe their financial distress when they have one of the better local TV deals. Not to mention Red Sox nation supports them pretty well.

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    • Canuckleball

      2 months ago

      Hal Steinbrenner said something very similar earlier this week about the Yankees and their ‘financial constraints’.

      This smacks of propaganda and positioning themselves for the upcoming collective bargaining next off season.

      I’m waiting for the Dodgers to come out next and say something about how the sport has gotten too expensive for them.

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      • LordD99

        2 months ago

        Yes. I indicated a similar thought above. This is all coordinated messaging. Big spending teams are financially up against their limits, while smaller spending teams plan to increase payroll. It’s CBA related. I’m curious to see if any of this plays out or is just words.

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      • Frenchredsox

        1 month ago

        Look at the payrolls and compare them to 20-25 years ago. The sport went from $1 million deals breaking records to $10 to now $700+ in less than than 50 years.
        Not saying the sport is « poor » but the roster size is identical yet the inflation is (rightly so for the players) exponential. Other sports , suffer the same , especially post COVID where levels of attendance and sports (TV contracts) have stagnated or regressed.
        Now, if the Sox stopped investing (they didn’t – as seen by the Crochet,Anthony and Campbell contract extensions) then there could be a case for collusion. Fact is they’re trying to spend more wisely so that they have room for a risky contract – which all FA ones are as most are trending towards end of career rather peak years’ production .

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @frenchredsox “the roster size is identical”

          The roster size increased in 2021 from 25 to 26.

          Between 1986 and 1989 roster size was limited to 24.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          French – one thing the MLBPA will never give up is their fully guaranteed contracts. But, unfortunately, that makes all the deals so risky.

          Look what happened to Pedroia. Look what happened with Rendon. In other sports, the teams wouldnt have been left without options to free up resources. (Granted, theres always *some* pain associated, usually tax threshold penalties, but, its not where you have zero recourse like in MLB.)

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    • GASoxFan

      2 months ago

      They own their RSN, and actually use the infrastructure to support production for other teams both lowering their costs to operate it and adding revenue from those other clubs.

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  11. Salzilla

    2 months ago

    It kinda felt like Yoshida turned it around at the end of the year, not sure if that’ll factor into their decisions on him. Surely, the dude helped my Fantasy team turn it around in playoffs after severely limping into it and getting to the finals. I’ll be a Yoshi lover from now on! lol.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 months ago

      Sal – I bet he has a big WBC if he plays, he’s a primetime player.

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    • PKCasimir

      1 month ago

      All Yoshida did at the end of the year was hit ground balls to second. Some snuck through or the second baseman was out of position. He displayed absolutely no power and rarely hit a line drive into the gap. The only turn around he had was actually putting the bat on the ball rather than whiffing.

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      • Salzilla

        1 month ago

        In the last few weeks of the season he had multiple multi hit games with 11 rbi from 9/14 on. Personally I can’t assess more because I don’t follow the Sox, but the guy was a catalyst for me in the playoffs. All I really cared about.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        1 month ago

        PK – Rather than whiffing? He had an 11.7 K% which was 17th-best in MLB out of 348 players with min 200 PA’s.

        He’s always been an extremely disciplined hitter, both in MLB and Japan.

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      • WCSoxFan

        1 month ago

        @PKCasimir Yoshida had 7 extra base hits and slugged .486 over 77 PA in Sept-Oct. He was really locked in for the playoffs as well.

        He actually has above average power. The problem, as you mentioned, is the ground balls. He’ll remain an above average mostly slap-hitter unless he starts elevating the baseball more.

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  12. Heels On The Field

    2 months ago

    Another winter of Alec Bohm trade talk? Replaced by who, Otto Kemp?

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  13. steelerbravenation

    2 months ago

    Setting a salary floor would eliminate all of this. It would force rebuilding clubs to take on other teams bad contracts to gain a top prospect.
    I see no reason for the owners to fight for a salary cap this payroll tax seems to be working in that regard. It’s getting the owners who treat their teams like it’s a business that need to be removed.
    I am tired of hearing how baseball is a business because it’s not.
    It is an investment. It is a toy for wealthy billionaires to play while making minimal money or losing money and using it as a write off until they decide to sell the team. That is where they are supposed to make their money. Until they sell they should really only be looking to break even on operational costs. Nobody is selling a sports franchise for less than what they bought it for plus what they have put into it while they owned it.

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    • brucenewton

      2 months ago

      Salary floors contain a cap about 20% higher.

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    • WCSoxFan

      2 months ago

      @steelbravenation

      The funny thing is: there is a salary floor.

      All teams are required to spend 150% of what they receive in revenue sharing. Unfortunately this minimum is too low and the enforcement over the minimum doesn’t have teeth as a violation triggers a union grievance which would eventually go to an arbitrator to resolve ‘IF’ the union follows through (which has not always been the case).

      A fix would be quite easy (in theory). Each team which violates the 150% floor would have the difference removed from their revenue sharing payout with the money being added to the minimum player bonus pool. This should immediately lead to zero future violations.

      Additionally a new 175% floor would be added, but this new floor would apply to any given 4-year timeframe with a violation resulting in the same penalty as the 1 year violations. This would enable small budget teams to reduce payroll temporarily while rebuilding. (NFL has a similarly styled floor which is never violated; when a team is close to a violation they sign a player or acquire a bad contract to become inline with the minimum).

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    • Frenchredsox

      1 month ago

      It’s a business just like Amazon is a business. Players,coaches even the gardeners are employees, who earn a wage and FA is exactly that – a contract of employment.
      What it was 20-50-100 years back was exactly what you described – a pastime for wealthy « sports fans » but that model no longer exists. Heck ,it’s one of the reasons that FA came into being ! So that a person wasn’t « owned » for life by an employer or « sold » to another.
      No employer’s goal is to solely break even – because you don’t invest in infrastructure (stadium, new innovation or simply having decent toilets!) nor can you invest in the product ( in this case minor league players and their development or signing FAs).

      And on the world market -yes sports franchises are sold for losses, and some even disappear entirely through mismanagement both on and off the field. Just rarer in MLB baseball than other sports .

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      • WCSoxFan

        1 month ago

        @Frenchredsox due to the legal cartel status of major professional sports in the United States it’s not possible for individual sports teams to fail – the entire league would have to go belly up for that to happen.

        Likewise, many professional sports team owners are happy to break even, not because they don’t want to make money, but because they want assets and the team appreciation is the goal. Both is obviously better, but they are investors and understand that they must invest in order to maximize the appreciation of their asset. Consider how many of these guys heavily invest in tech companies (like Amazon) which work at a loss for over a decade before turning a profit – it’s a different mindset.

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  14. Roadtrip

    2 months ago

    This comes right out of the front office playbook & screams info leaked to tamper down expectations, especially with the Winter Meetings a week away.

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    • GASoxFan

      2 months ago

      Its more of the same. Past several years you hear they want high end talent, said talent is available in free agency, a couple weeks go by, and the team pivots to trades and scraps as they mostly avoid the top of the market due to the whole “players are expensive” issue Henry has developed.

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      • Roadtrip

        2 months ago

        Sean McAdam is just another one of the front office’s lackey that spews garbage to the masses on behalf of the Red Sox in an attempt to get the fans to fall in line. I see a Jorge Polanco & J.T. Realmuto signing in the near future, maybe even Paul Goldschmidt or a trade for Andrew Vaughn.

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        • DBH1969

          2 months ago

          @Roadtrip. I think the Lackey job is still currently held by Peter Gammons. Or at least Gammons is the Chief of PR Operations for Boston.

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        • Roadtrip

          2 months ago

          Correct, he is the chief lackey and actually works in-house, has an office and everything.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 months ago

        GaSox – Yep that pretty much sums it up.

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  15. xpensivewinos

    2 months ago

    The Red Sox will get at least one of the big free agent bats (Alonso seems like a good fit) and perhaps they trade Duran for a different bat, not necessarily a pitcher as has been assumed. This offseason vibe feels different. Getting Gray early and it just feels like they’re going to be active……..

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  16. Chin Muzak

    2 months ago

    now they’ll trade Roman Anthony to LA and attach the Yoshida and Story contracts

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  17. Bruin1012

    2 months ago

    Look keeping payroll down when you know you aren’t competing and don’t go over the lux tax line is somewhat understandable. Staying around that number when you are clearly entering a competitive window that a whole another thing. I can understand wanting to stay below the level where you lose position in the draft but that means you should be able to go to what 284 million before that really kicks in. Anything less than that and it’s total BS this team is ready to win now it’s time to commit.

    One other thing who believes the Red Sox are deficit spending even at 300 million dollars. Most expensive tickets in baseball, great tv contract, rabid fan base that spends. John Henry and FSG your LYING and your feet stink!

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 months ago

      Bruin – The feet part was a nice added touch ;O)

      They always lie, it’s what they do.

      “We are losing money”.
      “We are going for it at the trade deadline”
      “We are all in for next season”
      “We can’t attend Larry’s funeral because we aren’t feeling well”
      “Raffy is our third baseman”
      “Winning championships is our top priority”
      “Roman is not ready for the majors yet”
      “Yoshida is too injured to play for the Red Sox”
      “We will acquire a front of the rotation starting pitcher”

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  18. 'Tang It

    2 months ago

    Weren’t the red Sox supposed to be the most profitable team in baseball a couple seasons ago? Operating loss my ***. I don’t expect them to spend like the dodgers because honestly I don’t care for that from any team, but get creative and stop wasting money on sunk costs.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 months ago

      Tang – You nailed it! In fact it was just last year, $120M profit.

      Sponsorship revenue is going through the roof, check out how much MassMutual is paying for having their name on the Sox unis.

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  19. dankyank

    2 months ago

    Not that I want Boston spending as a Yankee fan, but “absorbing a moderate financial loss” comes after all shareholders, creditors and executive level personnel have been paid. Said projected loss also assumes that the same fans who were driven away by payroll cuts could never be lured back by an investment in the team.

    Just my two cents, but the article feels like corporate propaganda FSNY paid for.

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  20. swanhenge

    2 months ago

    They’re afraid of the next Carl Crawford or Pablo Sandoval. Contracts like those leave a mark and these guys have long memories. Story’s deal is still giving them ajidah for sure.

    Baseball fans think “you can’t win em all.” Business owners think “I need to win them all.”

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    • billy09

      2 months ago

      LMAO AJIDAH

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 months ago

      swan – The thing is, 5 bad 1-year or 2-year contracts is just as painful as one bad 5-year contract.

      But yeah, part of what helped John Heny make his fortune is being greedy about money. He’s not gonna change, and now with lots of shareholders breathing down his neck it will only get worse.

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    • Joemo

      2 months ago

      The thing is that everyone knew that Story and Yoshida were bad deals when they were signed, except for Bloom apparently.

      This team is stuck in trying not to lose mode, instead of trying to win. They’re too afraid to fail, so they try to play it safe. Honestly, last season was a failure in my mind. They could have traded for Crochet and signed a top of the rotation arm. They had so much team dysfunction because of the front offices inability to communicate. They failed spectacularly again at the trade deadline. They were projected by many to win the AL pennant and limped into the playoffs and got embarrassed by the Yankees in the two games Crochet didn’t start.

      They need to make winning games a priority again.

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      • WCSoxFan

        1 month ago

        @Joemo certainly right on Yoshida, but Story’s deal received a mixed reaction among fans (the negatives had unrealistic expectations of the Red Sox infield prospects Mayer and Yorke as well as hopes to keep Xander) and generally positive reactions by the media. His contract, compared to production and age, was much less than what other players were receiving that offseason (325/10 and 175/7 for Seager and Semien). However there was the issue of the ongoing elbow injury, which I believed at the time was the reason for the slightly discounted contract.

        Last offseason the Red Sox attempted to sign one of the top arms, Max Fried, but when the Yankees went to 8 years, they understandably backed out. They pursued Eovaldi as well, but he elected to stay closer to home in Texas. The other guys were the VERY risky (at the time at least) Blake Snell and Corbin Burnes (that hasn’t aged well). They did pivot to sign Buehler, but that was consolation after the other options were gone and obviously didn’t age well. (Eovaldi signed on Dec 12th, Fried on Dec 18th and Buehler on Dec 23rd; they may have missed on Eovaldi due to waiting on Fried but hard to know; Crochet was acquired Dec 11th)

        All of the great pitchers who the media suggested were available at the 2025 trade deadline clearly WEREN’T available as they didn’t get moved. Once again, the Red Sox overpaid for a consolation prize rather than the smart move of sitting on their hands (possibly from worry of fan backlash over doing nothing).

        The Gray deal is a sign to me that Breslow may be learning. He slightly overpaid for a clear upgrade and did it quickly. This way he won’t be stuck signing/acquiring the next Buehler in-case the other options all dry up. It would be great to see him sign a guy like Polanco quickly as well, that way the Red Sox would gain leverage on a Bregman contract negotiation while hedging their bets if he chooses to move on.

        The Gray acquisition should have been seen as a great sign from Red Sox fans, but many saw it negatively due to Breslow overpromising just as Kennedy did the previous off-season, the messaging hasn’t been great.

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        • Joemo

          1 month ago

          WC – great post.

          My issue with the Story signing was they already had a similar shortstop in Xander. They could have given Xander that same deal as an extension instead of the low ball offers. Story had injury concerns and the whole Coors stigma surrounding his offense. Too many question marks when they could have just paid Xander (instead they lost him for nothing but that’s a different discussion). There was a reason why Story signed after the lockout. He has had one of the weakest arms from SS, and he was able to still generally be a good fielder in spite of that, it looks like it is catching up to him.

          Re:Fried – Star players are expensive. They want long term deals. However, they generate surplus value in the beginning and generally have a year or two at the end which is bad. But they would have 7 or 8 years to figure out how to deal with that. Instead, the Sox are still searching for that top of the rotation arm to pair with Crochet. Man if they had Fried and Crochet last season – wow.

          I will disagree with you about the trade deadline. Joe Ryan would have been moved if the Sox offered a MLB OF, or if they engaged sooner so they could work out prospect compensation. Reports were that they were close on a package headlined by two of Tolle, Arias, Garcia but they ran out of time. Breslow has not figured out to handle trade deadlines. He needs to figure that out.

          The Gray deal strikes me as similar to Crochet. Breslow realizes that FSG won’t sign off on big pitchers, so he has to try to trade for one. But Gray seems like a consolation prize. His HR/9 was 15th (I think) worst in the majors at 1.2. I expect that number to get worse moving to the AL East and pitching in Fenway.

          I think the Gray deal in a vacuum is good. But I dislike it because more than likely that’s their big rotation upgrade and they needed more.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @Joemo Thanks

          As far as being a fan of Bogaerts I wasn’t happy with the lack of extension either (but was happy they didn’t offer him 11! years). But in retrospect the decision to keep Bogaerts or sign Story (if we assume it’s an either/or) didn’t affect much. Story missed most of a season with that freak shoulder injury, so obviously looks a bit worse, but I don’t think we can hold that against the decision to sign him. Now in terms of arm strength…he actually had a fine arm, considered ‘plus’ by many scouts prior to the original elbow injury. His 82.4 average arm strength he recorded the year before the injury, as well as the 82.3 he averaged this past season, each exceed Xander’s career highs – so I don’t think Story’s arm strength is an issue (Story was 31st of 57 in SS arm strength this year).

          I really liked the idea of Fried, and think he’ll age well, but understand their reluctance to pay him through age 37. Hopefully for our sake he sputters out early. But would have been great in the short term.

          Agreed on not being happy about the deadline, mainly due to the prospects given-up for May. I’ve heard lots of Boston-based reports that the Red Sox ‘were close’ to getting Ryan, but I don’t trust them. The rumor being reported out of Minnesota was that the Red Sox made a last-second offer, but were never close. It’s hard to trade for a player which the other team doesn’t want to trade. Right now I’m dreaming of a Cole Raggans trade, but that’s probably also wishful thinking.

          Yeah, the Gray deal is a ‘little rotation upgrade’ most likely, but look at the elite K% (9th) and BB% (5th) from last year and we can see some upside. I don’t think it’s so much that FSG isn’t signing off on deals for pitchers, I think it’s a combination of the lack of elite pitchers who are available and the expectation that Breslow will be able to get back under the CBT by 2028. Given how the roster is built, that seems like the year to do it, and given how the team is run it’s a stone-cold requirement UNLESS they make the WS in 2027 (fingers crossed). Also, it would suck to sign a ‘Merrill Kelly’ type to a long-term deal just to find that in 2027 he’s not even one of the team’s 5-best starters.

          I’d love a big-time addition (Raggans, Marte, etc.) but outside of Bregman I’m not a fan of any of the big names on the FA market. Hoping to see a couple of more trades along with development of the young players.

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  21. Victor Tartaglia

    2 months ago

    Article by Nick Deeds today does not make sense to me in that the red sox do not want to go above the luxary tax threshhold to sign a free agent. Had Bregman NOT opted out they would have been on the hook for $31. 7 million for 2026 with the rest of his 40 million being deferred.

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    • GASoxFan

      2 months ago

      Had bregman not opted out they may not have absorbed Gray’s 21m.

      Also, there is the possibility they expected and we’re counting on that option out mid-season when they gave out extensions that raised spending, and made other choices like with Duran.

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  22. bcjd

    2 months ago

    With both the Sox and the Yanks bellyaching about payroll, it’s hard to avoid the suspicion that this is posturing in advance of the next CBA negotiations.

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  23. 30 Parks

    2 months ago

    Paying $500 to sit on the Monster is “absorbing a moderate financial loss” for fans. John Henry singing those billionaire blues again.

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  24. bryce1344

    2 months ago

    Contreras for Hicks and Campbell. Money works out@even for CBT and gives Red Sox much needed RH bat and still allows money for Bregman.

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    • Horace Fury

      2 months ago

      Unfortunately, STL drafted Hicks in 2015 and he was on their major league club from 2018 to 2023. I think they’ve probably had their fill. I do like Contreras, however, as an affordable, 2-year option at 1B.

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    • No ABS in '27

      2 months ago

      There aren’t many trades for Yoshida and Hicks.

      The Wilson Contreras trade is a decent idea but if I’m the Cardinals I’m passing on Campbell for Harold Rivas and Justin Gonzalez. Prospects with good bats and minor league salaries. Campbell’s contract is almost untradeable. Hicks to the Cardinals for Contreras and prospects could work out but Boston would have to send a few nice prospects.

      Yoshida should be a fixture at DH this season for the Red Sox. Campbell is Boston’s half-baked pie.

      Pete Alonso and Alex Bregman is the ideal off season for the Red Sox. They will have to pay up for both.

      Trading Duran saves 8M, could get a pair of good prospects in return and that trade opens up 2nd base for Mayer. The Fish could be interested in Duran. He’d be a great addition to their team.

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      • Horace Fury

        1 month ago

        Maybe Bloom would like to be reunited with Mikey Romero for Contreras. Or Miguel Bleis. There are possibilities, some with Bloom connections from his past works in Boston.

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      • acell10

        1 month ago

        Campbell’s contract is far from un-tradable. you lost me after trying to make that point.

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        • No ABS in '27

          1 month ago

          You are paying a AAA 2B 2.25M this season.

          Over and out.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          If you’re referring to Campbell, he is NOT a 2nd baseman. That’s some wishful thinking.

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        • acell10

          1 month ago

          2.25 million is peanuts, he won’t be AAA all season and he isn’t second baseman anymore

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        • No ABS in '27

          1 month ago

          He is breaking into Boston’s OF? That requires a trade of Duran and that’s a possibility but you will be replacing him with a guy who hit .223/.319/.345 in 263 PAs (28.9% K rate) last season.

          Romy Gonzalez is looking for at bats this season after posting a career year.

          Even if you trade Duran, your best lineup features Gonzalez and Mayer getting regular playing time at second base (Assuming you resign Bregman). That moves Cedaenne back to the OF with Anthony and Abreu. Have Garcia in the fold too.

          Campbell will be better off getting ABs in AAA. There is a possibility he falls flat and makes 80M as a career minor-leaguer. Untradeable.

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        • No ABS in '27

          1 month ago

          2.25M is not peanuts to minor leaguers making a $1000 a week.

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        • acell10

          1 month ago

          There is equally as high a possibility that he ends up just fine and the contract ends up being a bargain as was the case with the majority of minor league player of the years past. Gonzalez is a platoon player and will not be getting regular playing time. One of Duran or Abreu will most likely get moved this offseason. Yoshida will probably gone after next year so that opens OF and DH spots in the near future.

          263 Plate appearances is too small to make a judgement. Hardly untradeable but keep beating that drum

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        • acell10

          1 month ago

          it’s peanuts to any major league team acquiring Campbell as is his contract.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          Untradeable.
          ====================
          My guess is that he gets traded for a substantial return.

          Just for fun, guess who had a higher rookie OPS (8 points), Trout or Campbell?

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          Trout….by 7 points. With a .247 babip in 135 PA. Would love if Campbell became the next Trout, but this comparison doesn’t really work.

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        • acell10

          1 month ago

          the point is more along the lines of giving up on players too soon which Joe is right about.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          This wasn’t even that bad a year.

          Basallo .559
          Caglianone .532
          Eldridge .476
          Ford .417
          Mayer .674
          Misio 4.76
          Moore .655

          And that’s just a small sampling of guys that broke in slow in their debut year.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @JoeBrady @acell10

          Nobody should be giving up on Campbell as he may very well learn to hit cutters/sinkers/splitters and become a quality defender in LF.

          The 6 other hitters you listed had far fewer plate appearances as mid-late season call-ups (using 8 PA as a comparison is grasping at straws btw). Crawford opened the season as a starter and failed so badly he was sent down and continued to struggle after being sent down. He failed so badly defensively that he has had to change positions. He was also surpassed by another player at his new primary position None of those issues apply to any of those other listed players.

          I’m also optimistic Campbell will turn it around, and would be content trading Garcia to make Campbell the top AAA OF for a call-up, but it could take some time and there’s risk that it never happens. Committing 59mil to a player who may never be able to contribute at the MLB level is simply a risk which few teams would take. The offensive and defensive failure mixed with the contract is the issue.

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        • No ABS in '27

          1 month ago

          Fedko hit 28 HR and has a 21.2 K% / 14 BB% — he is in the Rule 5 draft and can be acquired merely for a shot at a big league job and 750K.

          Boston’s own Miguel Bleis also available in the Rule 5 draft. Jacob Berry is available too. Both are young and could emerge. Berry had great numbers in college similar to Campbell but has slipped. Signing bonus and the money ate him up too.

          Whose to say Campbell isn’t the bust and Bleis isn’t the all-star? Bleis might have more incentive to work at his game this off season. Campbell might be playing Fortnite in his new mansion.

          No guarantees. What was guaranteed was six seasons of cost control on Campbell. You made a big bet and it’s underwater. Could emerge, could sink. It’s a negative value deal heading into ’26 from my perspective.

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        • acell10

          1 month ago

          Comparing Bleis to Campbell display a lack of understanding of how player development works. What’s to say that its highly improbable that Bleis will be all star is basically the last four seasons in which he’s had to repeat two levels and put up middling stats in the process. Also implying Campbell lacks a work ethic is pretty wild and in no way rooted in fact.

          if anything, saying a contract by a former minor league of the year is underwater after one season and then comparing him to a player that was left off the 40 man roster displays a lack of perspective on player development.

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        • No ABS in '27

          1 month ago

          Your redundancy exposes you as ineffectual despite your matter of factness.

          I’m uncertain as to the work ethic of either player, my point was directed at each player’s motivating factors and how money can sometimes derail a player’s focus.

          Jacob Berry is an example of that in a sense.

          Miguel Bleis might have a career in the MLB one day. Right now, he enters spring in the same lineup as Campbell. He could have as good or even a better season than the former MiLB player of the year.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @No ABS in 27

          Bleis will almost certainly begin 2026 in Portlant unless he’s taken in the MLB portion of the rule-5 draft.

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        • acell10

          1 month ago

          Do you know jacob Berry personally or are you just speculating again regarding his work ethic? If you’re uncertain and speaking in generalities, you harm your already weak argument even further. I’ve exposed that you speak in vague generalities without really providing substance. It doesn’t hold up to scrutiny as I have pointed out.

          Speaking of redundancy basically all you’re doing is speculating. Tripling down on your flawed argumentdoesn’t change its uniformed nature.

          Also as was pointed out Bleis isn’t going to start the year AAA if he’s still in the Red Sox organization. He barely made it to AA last year further exposing the gap in your knowledge.

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  25. BurnerK

    2 months ago

    Nah this is just using the media to say I do not want to pay everyone market value. I can’t afford it woe is me.

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  26. fenwayfrank

    2 months ago

    SELL THE TEAM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • BPF

      2 months ago

      Only 4 World Championships, with another run coming soon. We liked it better before. What a great 86 years that was, we could whine and people sympathized, now all we get is animosity.

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      • Bruin1012

        2 months ago

        That’s not the point Reggie. It’s the lying that’s getting old saying things like“ full throttle” and in late 2024 ownership saying it’s “extreme urgency internally” to spend and compete for an AL title. I don’t think they need to spend to 300 million and beyond and John Henry has said don’t expect 300 million dollar payrolls but no reason they can’t spend to up to 40 million over the lux tax. Another lie is they are deficit spending they are making money on the Red Sox flat out anything other than saying that is gaslighting and it’s time those clowns be called out on it. Stop Lying John Henry.

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        • BPF

          2 months ago

          Youre still hung up on “full throttle”? That was 2023, not 2024. Time to more on.
          ————
          “deficit spending” Says who? The article begins with “a report suggests”. But. to you that means: “flat out lying”.

          “Henry” didnt lie because he didnt say anything.

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        • Bruin1012

          1 month ago

          Henry used his mouthpiece Kennedy and he most certaintly did say extreme urgency internally to spend and compete for an AL title in late season 2024.

          The article itself talks about a source Sean McAdam who I’m sure didn’t make up the deficit spending quote when they go over the lux tax, he’s saying what he heard from ownership. On that I say BS they can carry a 300 million payroll and not lose money. It’s a pattern and I defended ownership for years saying they will spend when they are in a competitive window and that time is now. They should have a 275-280 million payroll imo. Let’s not forget the famous Henry quote “ baseball players are expensive” yea no duh you’re ultra rich and being the owner of the Red Sox is a privilege. I’m happy that he brought the team the 4 championships but he seems to of lost interest in the Red Sox. They are being treated like a portfolio asset for a conglomerate not an owner that wants to do what it takes to win.

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        • BPF

          1 month ago

          Bruin:
          “he most certaintly did say extreme urgency internally to spend and compete for an AL title in late season 2024.”

          But ‘Full Throttle’ was said in 2023, which is what you said and what I was referring to. As far as what he said going into 2025, Crochet, Bregman, Chapman, Buehler and Narvaez were the 5 players acquired before 2025 and amounted to 15.0 War for the year. Best War acquired for any team in the offseason.

          That wasnt enough for you?????? That didnt scream “FULL THROTTLE”???? SMH

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          Bruin1012
          That’s not the point Reggie. It’s the lying that’s getting old
          ===========================
          Do what I do. I pay -0- attention to what managements says. It’s fun to read the rumors, but if it aggravates you, simply ignore it.

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      • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

        1 month ago

        Reggie- I hear what youre saying. I want to be fair to Henry for what he did in the past, and what he did for Fenway Park.
        But, it’s OK to at least acknowledge fans anxiety about ownership and spending.
        Theo and Dombrowski recognized when a team needs reinforcements and spent money to get the players to deliver championships.
        After D.D. left the there was a clear demarcation wherein “full throttle” on spending means something decidedly different!

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        • BPF

          1 month ago

          SadSox:
          Their gameplan has been pretty obvious for a while now. They’ve been in rebuild mode for several years, due to a depleted farm system, plus a revamp of how they plan to proceed in the future. And I like the strategy of build from within, invest in player development and cut back on FA spending.

          FA spending DOES NOT work for Boston. It never has since Henry bought the team. Trades work, but you need a deep farm to make the deals. Take a look.

          Major FAs:
          Edgar Renteria
          JD Drew
          Daisuke Matsuzaka
          Adrian Beltre
          John Lackey
          Hanley Ramirez
          David Price
          Panda Sandoval
          Masataka Yoshida
          Trevor Story

          Major Trades:
          Curt Schilling
          Josh Beckett
          Mike Lowell
          Jake Peavy
          John Lackey
          Nathan Eovaldi
          Chris Sale
          Garrett Crochett

          Its really obvious what the Red Sox need to do to win, Those lists scream ‘STOP signing Top Tier FAs’.

          “Anxiety” I understand, but anger I dont. For example last year, Sox fans were call for Juan Soto, another Lefty OFer whose a lousy defender. The Mets dont make the playoffs and now are looking to reduce payroll. That will turn out to be a major reason when the Mets start to fall, not because he isnt a good hitter, but because he’s thrown the team payroll out of whack.

          Red Sox ownership has figured this out, why cant Sox fans?

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        • Sad.Sox 3 (Skenes in 2027)

          1 month ago

          Reggie – again, i’m trying to be fair to both sides of the argument..
          Your point about trades vs. signings doesn’t really lend a definitive answer either way. I’d saying signings theyre probably about 50%, trades maybe 60% successful.
          More importantly, if you look at the signings and trades in totality, what I see is the data that has informed their recent trend in both signings and trades.
          That is, no multi year commitments past 34yo for position players (rightly or wrongly), as most of those guys seemed to fall off a cliff after 34., and no multi years for pitchers past 31.
          I, for one, did not want Soto last year. But, I am not against big money, long year contracts (Crochet).
          The “anger” comes from being lied to, some people dont take that well.

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        • BPF

          1 month ago

          “I’d saying signings theyre probably about 50%, trades maybe 60% successful.”

          Im talking about MAJOR siginings. I have no problem with the Victorino’s, Napoli’s and Uehara’s of the world. Those are the signings they should be making. Low risk short-term commitments.

          Are you saying that 50% of those major signings worked out? And 40% of those major trades didnt? Please list the names.

          As far as “anger” and “lied to”: Are you still harping on two words from Kennedy in 2023, even though a big section of Red Sox fans have been angry for decades?

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  27. whyhayzee

    2 months ago

    Team: Blah blah blah
    Fans: Wah wah wah
    Me: Fa la la

    Here comes Christmas. Wheeeee …

    Flump.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      2 months ago

      Flump?

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      • Acoss1331

        1 month ago

        Maybe he meant flop?

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        • Rsox

          1 month ago

          No, he actually Flumps. You have to see it to believe it…

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  28. GASoxFan

    2 months ago

    The only way the deadwood plus prospect capital brings back MLB ready talent is if you absolutely decimate the farm and leave it barren for 4-5 years.

    Thats not a way to succeed. You’d be better off keeping the quality prospects and just dumping the deadwood for salary relief from a long term perspective.

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      It depends on the prices and what one perceives as the needs. I’d love to trade for Chandler or Burns, and I wouldn’t be cheap. But Pitt and/or Cincy needs to be willing to trade those guys, and they have to be at least somewhat reasonable in their demands.

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  29. Flredsoxfan

    2 months ago

    Please explain how 2025 luxury tax salaries were 245m and in 2026 we’re at 223m when we got rid of Devers $31m, Buehler $21m, Bregman $40m, Giolito $19m and probably more and we’ve only added Sonny Gray to my knowledge for $21m. That’s $111m-$21m which should be around $90m we have to work with not $22m. Is the $22m John Henry math?

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    • BPF

      1 month ago

      For the most part, player salary information is public, and there are websites that break down where the money went to the dollar. For 2026, the Red Sox have $219,975,499 in projected salary leaving $24,024,501 in projected cap space. In 2025, they paid $245,685,904 in salary with cap space of Negative $4,685,904.

      Are you saying Henry math is different for the Red Sox compared to every other team in the league? Im pretty sure every team does whatever they can to keep that number as low as possible. Anything the Red Sox are doing, other teams are doing too.

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    • GASoxFan

      1 month ago

      You’ve got extra money to Crochet, Campbell, and Anthony whose extensions kick in for 2026. The way it was structured, the new money didnt hit in 2025. You took on hicks bloated salary. Bregman wasn’t a 40m CBT hits because of deferrials it was WAY less.

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    • all in the suit that you wear

      1 month ago

      The Red Sox are currently about $40M below the luxury tax threshold. Here are are two sources:

      spotrac.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/tax

      soxprospects.com/payroll.htm

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      • GASoxFan

        1 month ago

        Suit, neither of those account for arb salaries or your league min pre-arb guys yet.

        While those won’t be definitive and thus are properly excluded until agreements are reached, rule 5 passes, etc, for ‘budgeting’ purposes, there aren’t any really surprising or contentious guys in Boston due this season. Its a safe bet 19-21m will be eaten up once those 2 groups are added.

        There isnt actually 40m in space to shop in FA or trades… More like 20m

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          1 month ago

          GA: Looks like you are correct. Thanks. It also looks like they may be as much as $24M below the luxury tax threshold.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          Cots contracts has been the gold standard for payrolls for decades now. Roster resources is also solid. (Neither is perfect)

          Spotrac is mostly auto-generated and sourced from Cots raw data. Red Sox payroll gets most of data from roster resource but it’s always full of errors.

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      You can go to Cots and it would take 5 minutes to figure it out. But right off the top:

      Devers only cost us $12M, not $31M, since he was traded in June.
      Bregman’s CBT charge was only $32M, not $40M.
      Hicks will cost us $5M more.
      Crochet +25M
      Anthony +16M

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  30. Bluebird

    1 month ago

    MLBTRADES, Thank you for the love.. I had some trouble getting on here, however you treated me like I was standing right in front of you. Go Blue Jays

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    • FenwayMonster

      1 month ago

      What a brutal series for you. Winter is going to seem even longer for you Jays fans. Hang in there…

      Reply
  31. cwsOverhaul

    1 month ago

    No one is absorbing real money/bulk of underwater contracts for the sake of getting a couple prospects. Guys like Yoshida/Castellanos/Stanton/Tanner Scott/Arenado stay put unless there is an undesirable contract going back. Boston can certainly deal Duran to OF needy teams like KC/Pitt/Cincy, etc.

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    • BPF

      1 month ago

      I doubt Yoshida will be moved. With some good hitting in 2026, his contract may look just fine for 2027. After all, he is a good hitter, Red Sox might as well hold onto.

      Jordon Hicks is dead money and a doubtful trade candidate, as well. IMO he’ll get a tryout in ST in Boston, and released if he doesnt improve. He was a salary dump for SF, and Red Sox had to eat the dump to get rid of Devers.

      It makes no sense for the Red Sox to move prospects just to offload those two salaries.

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      • JoeBrady

        1 month ago

        I agree. Fans want us to use our financial power, and absorbing bad contracts is one of those uses.

        And Yoshida is not a problem.

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  32. Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can

    1 month ago

    I love it when billion-dollar sports franchises with insane histories say they’re going broke. I enjoy practicing sad songs with the world’s smallest violin!

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  33. wylie K MITCHELL

    1 month ago

    who said there was 700 million offer for soto? boston media? theyre not going to spend the same as last yr. fenway sports want to make money for the investors

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  34. noname617

    1 month ago

    Replacing Bregman/Devers $70M+ wasn’t suppose to be an issue?? Gray slides in Giolito’s slot, so front office has plenty of extra $$ to build a deep playoff contender. What’s the point of charging $75 bleacher seats?

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    • WCSoxFan

      1 month ago

      @noname unfortunately they already spent most of that money.

      Bregman was only costing 31.4mil in AAV and the Devers trade will only save them ~14mil AAV until Hicks is off the books.

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  35. PFSKC#7

    1 month ago

    Noah Cameron, Jonathan India, & Maikel Garcia for Duran & Campbell. Win/Win for both clubs.

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    • Roadtrip

      1 month ago

      Massive stinker

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    • WCSoxFan

      1 month ago

      LOL – I’d take that.

      Can’t imagine Royals fans would be so willing. Maikel Garcia is a Stud and Campbell is expensive.

      I don’t get adding Cameron & India to the deal though. They don’t make sense for the Red Sox.

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      • GASoxFan

        1 month ago

        Royals are interested in Duran, but, are balking at the asking price.

        Hopefully Breslow sticks to his guns to get a full fair value.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @GASoxFan yeah, that seems to be the case.

          Unfortunately the Royals just don’t have many pieces to fit what the Red Sox need and the pieces they do have, they’re (understandably) unwilling to trade.

          Obviously Red Sox willing to offer Duran+ for Ragans or Garcia. But Bubic no longer makes sense for them. I’d personally consider Jensen for Duran if nothing else materializes on the trade market. Not sure if the Royals are willing to move him.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Part of the problem is the Royals have probably one of the bottom 5 or 6 farms in MLB right now.

          But, you could go crazy:

          Duran, Mayer, Casas, Valera, and Yoshida +15m along with a guy in the RS top 11-20 prospects for for Bobby Witt Jr and one of the KC catching prospects.

          That would be franchise altering in both directions

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @GASoxFAN

          If Witt became available, then give em the whole kitchen sink. Everyone but Anthony & Crochet on the table.

          That said, small market teams habitually hold onto their homegrown star even when there’s no clear path to future success. They need someone to sell tickets.

          I think it makes more sense for the Pirates to trade Skenes for a huge haul as he only pitches every 5th day and they could immediately become contenders with what they get back. But doesn’t sound like that will happen anytime soon.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Witt is a strange situation.

          He makes 14m this year. Manageable. Goes to 20m the following season, and 31m after that. Then youre looking around 35m for the last year of guaranteed control for KC. Thats because beyond that, Witt has player options at 35m/yr for a long time, and can easily skip town for a contender at any time.

          KC doesnt have a farm, and, they dont have a ton of money to throw around to build up the team. They clearly lack the ability to have depth pieces from the minors to supplement the roster or promote quality in the coming years. (With the caveat every team always has guys who come out of nowhere that weren’t as highly regarded on draft day)

          I dont think Witt is available, *but* if you really went after him with a mix of young proven mlb talent, a cheap vet or two that rounds out a roster, some mlb-ready youngsters with both upside and lots of control, and a couple prospects to help their farm and supplement the team in a few years….

          It does check a lot of boxes and does help the long term outlook.

          Of course, it would also be massively unpopular.

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      • JoeBrady

        1 month ago

        I don’t get adding Cameron & India to the deal though
        ====================
        Cameron is a good pitcher with 6 years of control. India isn’t much, but he could be an everyday player.

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        • WCSoxFan

          1 month ago

          @JoeBrady India should have been non-tendered. Making 8mil coming off a negative WAR season and in the last year of his contract. He would be a downgrade from Romy. Doesn’t fill a need.

          Cameron is a solid back-of-the-rotation pitcher with value for sure. But he’s unlikely to break the Red Sox rotation. They don’t need anymore SP depth, so it’s just a bad fit despite being a fine player. Makes more sense to shuffle him to another team for lower level prospects, but easier just to swap him out for lower level Royals prospects.

          Neither makes any sense for the Red Sox.

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      As a RS fan, I would do that.

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  36. TB Sox NY

    1 month ago

    Not expecting the guys here will not improve,is hilarious.The team is young.Young guys usually improve.But Casas or Mayer or Anthony can’t put up huge numbers means we should trade them and bring in older veterans.Alonzo will be guaranteed to hit 50 bombs next year.Casas or Anthony might only hit 10.Trade them now.

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  37. Rsox

    1 month ago

    As i stated in a previous article this all falls in line with the way the team spends money. Gray is one piece added, i do expect a pair of hitters but i don’t necessarily expect them to be $30-$40 million per year bats. This team doesn’t spend that way

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  38. Thec’s

    1 month ago

    The truth is coming out! We are not going to spend and we have been lying to you as we have done in the past 5 seasons. The truth is that Breslow is a horrible GM who’s only is to sit on John Henry’s lap! John Henry does not want to win all he is doing is taking the baseball profits and spending it on the rest of his sports franchises. The guy is a loser!

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  39. Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree

    1 month ago

    Establishing excuses why nothing will be done. Just sell the damn team. Highest tickets in the game and they operate like the Rays

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  40. GabeOfThrones

    1 month ago

    Liverpool spent over $235m net in transfer fees this summer, so Red Sox fans can watch them play for 4th place in the Premier League this year if they want to see where their money went.

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    • GabeOfThrones

      1 month ago

      …and that is not including add-on fees or the salaries of all the players they signed. Their team salary, or wage bill, is over $205m this year. With manager, and escalators, that puts their net spend before other operating costs over $450m for this season.

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  41. Bobby smac9

    1 month ago

    They made the offer to Soto knowing full well it would be rejected.

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  42. dlj0527

    1 month ago

    Maybe they should reconsider extending every player before they spend a few full years in MLB some day to avoid the need to seek extra players outside of the organization.

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  43. TooToughToScuffle

    1 month ago

    Full throttle every offseason but also plead poverty. End up with 5.00 ERA 37 year old pitchers and guys who will hit .250/20/78 making $20 million each but at least it doesn’t cost 30 million for a guy who will actually win us a game

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  44. Gunnar Henderson Bowman 1st

    1 month ago

    Reds Redsox trade. Early Duran and kampell, for Chase Burns McLain and Singer.

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    • WCSoxFan

      1 month ago

      Doubt the Reds are looking on taking on that salary (Campbell makes 59mil over the next 7 years and Duran makes 7.7mil this year with arb going up) or trading away their hopeful future ace.

      Singer would be pretty useless for the Red Sox as they already have Crawford, Sandoval and the young guys for the 4/5 spots. McLain may have had some fanfare, but nothing about his early offensive peripherals indicate he’ll be any better than a Romy Gonzalez type.

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  45. SoxBruinsSaints

    1 month ago

    We’re a legacy franchise operating like a small market team. Glad John Henry gets to do what he wants outside of baseball

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  46. phillyballers

    1 month ago

    Casty, 14M, Bohm for Duran. Then the Phil’s sign Bregman and Schwarber and the Sox sign Alonso.

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      Not even remotely close.

      Reply
  47. Sean P

    1 month ago

    I was expecting to make $100, optimistic to make $200, but I only made $150. Are profits down or up $50? You made the playoffs, the team is young, the holes are glaring. Plug them up, win right now, screw over the players next year in the new CBA and make the margins back.

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  48. Bosox2013

    1 month ago

    Can we all agree that we’re done with John Henry/FSG? Thanks for the Championships but It’s become painfully obvious that the Red Sox are not the priority they once were to ownership.

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    • GASoxFan

      1 month ago

      If you dislike Henry now, you’ll love it if you look at his comments a little ways back that said there is an expiration date on Fenway remaining the home of the red sox….

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