December 3: The Mets have officially announced their signing of Williams.
December 1: Another free agent reliever has come off the board. The Mets are reportedly in agreement with Devin Williams on a three-year deal that guarantees the Klutch Sports client $51MM, though the net present value is knocked down by $15MM in deferrals.
Williams receives a $6MM signing bonus that’ll be paid in $2MM installments. He receives $15MM annual salaries, $5MM of which is deferred each season. (Signing bonuses are paid even in the event of a work stoppage, while players would not receive salaries for any games lost to a 2027 lockout.) There’s also reportedly a $1MM assignment bonus in the event of a trade.
A second-round pick by the Brewers in 2013, Williams took a while to climb through the minor leagues as a starting pitcher. He took off after being moved to the bullpen in 2019, climbing from Double-A to the big leagues by the end of that season. Williams emerged as one of the sport’s best late-game weapons by his first full big league season. He turned in a 0.33 ERA across 27 innings during the shortened 2020 schedule and claimed the National League Rookie and Reliever of the Year Awards.
The righty continued to dominate over the next few seasons, forming a lethal back-end duo with Josh Hader. Mets president of baseball operations David Stearns had a front row seat as Milwaukee’s front office leader for most of that tenure. Williams stepped into the ninth inning when Milwaukee sent Hader to San Diego at the ’22 deadline. He reeled off 36 saves in 40 tries with a 1.53 ERA to win his second career Reliever of the Year honors a year later.
Over his first four full seasons, Williams pitched to a 1.75 ERA while striking out 40.5% of opposing hitters. Heading into 2024, there was a decent argument for him as the best reliever in MLB. He hit his first real setback that Spring Training, as testing revealed two stress fractures in his back. He didn’t make his season debut until shortly before the trade deadline. Williams looked every bit as dominant during the regular season, reeling off 21 2/3 frames of three-run ball with 38 strikeouts to finish the year. His season ended in heartbreak fashion, as he surrendered a go-ahead homer to Pete Alonso in the final game of the Wild Card Series.
That wound up being Williams’ final action in a Milwaukee uniform. Before his last year of arbitration, the Brewers flipped him to the Yankees for starter Nestor Cortes and rookie infielder Caleb Durbin. The Yankees felt they were acquiring one of the ten best relievers in the sport. Williams’ results, at least, didn’t come close to those expectations.
The 31-year-old righty had an inconsistent lone season in the Bronx. He was terrible early on, giving up multiple runs in three of his first 10 appearances. Consecutive poor outings at the end of April led the Yankees to move him to a setup role and put Luke Weaver back into the ninth inning. Williams had one more rough appearance in early May before settling into a groove over the next few weeks. He returned to closing when Weaver landed on the injured list at the beginning of June.
Williams was lights out from that point through the All-Star Break. He gave up runs in seven of his first nine appearances of the second half, though, and the Yankees pushed him out of the closer role for good when they acquired David Bednar at the trade deadline. Williams posted a 5.06 ERA in the second half despite striking out nearly 40% of batters faced — the second-best rate among qualified relievers behind Mason Miller. He worked in a setup capacity late in the season and into the playoffs. Williams tossed four scoreless frames with four strikeouts in the postseason.
The end result was a career-worst 4.79 earned run average over 67 appearances. The Mets are placing a decent sized bet that the poor run prevention was a fluke. Opponents had a .339 batting average on balls in play when runners were on base. That’s easily the highest mark in Williams’ career (aside from his brief 2019 debut). He had a very difficult time stranding runners as a result. While relievers certainly need to be able to work out of tough situations, that had never previously been an issue.
Batted ball metrics can be volatile, especially for relievers who only throw 60-70 innings in a season. Williams’ stuff still grades out extremely well, and he remains capable of missing bats at a level that few other pitchers can match. He struck out 34.7% of opponents behind a 16.8% swinging strike rate. Those are down slightly from his usual marks but remain among the best in MLB. Among relievers with 50+ innings, Williams finished eighth in strikeout rate and 10th in whiffs.
Williams has two pitches which he has used at roughly equal rates over the past couple seasons. His fastball sits around 94 MPH and while it’s a good pitch, his standout offering is his unique “Airbender” screwball/changeup. The pitch still moves unlike any other changeup in the league, and opponents have hit below .200 against it in every full season of his career.
The underlying numbers made Williams a popular “buy-low” target among teams and fanbases. That is borne out in the contract to an extent. Williams might have been in the running for a $100MM deal had he posted another sub-2.00 ERA season. It didn’t force him to settle for a pillow contract, as he’s still being paid as a high-end reliever. Williams falls well short of the four years and $72MM which Tanner Scott commanded last winter, but he’s within the $46-58MM range in which closers Robert Suarez, Liam Hendriks and Raisel Iglesias have found themselves over the past few offseasons. He came up shy of the four years and $68MM which MLBTR had predicted in ranking him the second-best reliever in the class.
While an ugly walk year ERA still has some impact on a pitcher’s market, Williams is the third example this offseason of teams placing a decent amount of emphasis on stuff and whiffs in spite of that. Dylan Cease commanded a seven-year deal from the Blue Jays coming off a 4.55 ERA over 32 starts. Ryan Helsley pulled $14MM annually from the Orioles on a two-year contract with an opt-out despite a brutal finish to his 2025 season with the Mets. It’s easier for clubs to place that kind of bet on pitchers coming from a different team. The Mets were never likely to bring back Helsley, and while the Yankees reportedly kept in contact with Williams’ camp, they also opted not to issue him a $22.025MM qualifying offer that probably would have kept him around on a one-year deal.
The Mets obviously don’t feel that Williams is incapable of succeeding in New York. He’ll slot into a key late-inning role in Carlos Mendoza’s bullpen. He projects as the closer for now but could slide back into a setup capacity if the Mets bring back Edwin Díaz, which they’re reportedly still considering. If the Mets allow their longtime closer to walk, they’ll need to bring in multiple right-handed setup arms to bridge the gap to Williams in the ninth.
RosterResource projects the Mets’ 2026 payroll and luxury tax commitments in the $277-280MM range. They’re likely to end up beyond the $304MM final surcharge threshold by the time they address the rotation, bullpen, and/or first base and the corner outfield. The estimate from FanGraphs currently has them in the second tier of penalization — just below the $284MM cutoff for Tier 3. They’re taxed at a 62% rate for spending between $264MM and $284MM, so the Williams signing comes with an approximate $8-10MM tax hit depending on the calculation of the net present value. They’ll pay a 95% tax on spending between $284MM and $304MM and a 110% bill on any money beyond $304MM.
Will Sammon of The Athletic reported that the Mets and Williams had agreed to a three-year deal. ESPN’s Jeff Passan noted that the guarantee was above $50MM, while Jon Heyman of The New York Post had the salary/bonus/deferral breakdown. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal was first on the assignment bonus.
Image courtesy of Wendell Cruz, Imagn Images.


So he’s not afraid of New York after all…
He’s just afraid of the awful Yankees defense.
There’s actually another team out there that plays in New York?
“There’s actually another team out there that plays in New York?”
In the last 16 years Mets and Yanks have same number of WS appearances and wins but keep on coasting on what your franchise did a century ago
He signed a three year lease,
dang it. I was actually hoping for a Yankee reunion.
What?! Whyyyy????
Williams’ underlying metrics were still very good despite some rough early season results last year. He’s still a great RP and this is a very reasonable deal. I too wanted the Yankees to keep him but they seem to be reluctant to spend big on RPs these days
You think 3/$50 was reasonable?
He was not easy to watch in more than just the beginning. He never quite felt like what we paid for at any point. Even when he was pitching fine it wasn’t quite his quality and you never felt safe.
Absolutely, if Williams looks more like he did with the Brewers this could be a steal
Don’t forget the deferrals.
A steal for 50 million ?!
Yes, at 15 per year for someone who was easily a top 3 closer before the down season. He is a very solid bounce back candidate and if he bounces all the way back to 2023-2024 form, that 15 million per year looks like a really good contract for the team.
More power to you if he does, but man to have to bounce back in the same city isn’t as easy as it sounds.
He was 8th in k rate (diaz was 3rd) among pitchers w 60ip
The total cost to the team is complicated.
First you discount it for the deferrals. But, then you factor in the CBT penalties which, even though they dont go to the player, they *do* add to the cost for the team to add this player.
Devin wasn’t easy to watch in Milwaukee when he was a top 3 closer either. It was always a bit of a high wire act, his control isnt great, but he gets K’s, and keeps the ball in the park. If the Mets can put good defense behind him, he’ll be good again.
How does it look if he doesn’t bounce back? Not much of a discount for the risk.
Big overpay!
The best thing you can say about Williams is that he didn’t get hurt…
Met fans better hope they get Diaz back,because who’s the closer when he fails
I remember when my Red Sox had Kimbrel, called him Cardiac Craig. He was really good, but man was it stressful.
Mets fans gotta find a good nickname like that for Williams.
(Need a) Defibrillator Devin?
Love it. I am a little upset with myself that I missed it.
It’s an overpay Knicks fan but not for the Mets. If Diaz wants to return, they have leverage snd if he goes elsewhere, they have their day one closure. Diaz supposedly wants at least $20m per for five years. I’m expecting him to return to the Mets on a three year $64m – $67m deal.
His FIP was like 2.68. His xWRA was in the low 3’s. Hitters had a .600ish OPS against him. Al that goes to show that his results were somewhat flukish. I don’t think he was scared of NY at all. But if he signed for 3/$50 then hell to the naw….. to the naw naw nawwwww.
Williams had one of the worst defenses in the league behind him in his appearances. Now he reunites with Stearns and the pitching lab personnel that helped refine his game in the first place. This was a great signing. At $13.2 million in NPV after deferrals, he will be the 9th highest paid reliever.
Pitching Lab is an absolute joke at this point, stop.
Do you actually watch Yankee baseball with a ridiculous comment like that…why don’t you give some specific instances where his Defense caused him to walk the bases full….
Sal: I agree with you on this one. His overall underlying metrics were pretty good; but for that price I think the Yankees can do better. He seemed to have an anti-clutch gene in the spotlight and walked waaaaay too many people in key spots. A big problem is that he threw that changeup over and over and over again. Kahnle was the same type of pitcher. Good metrics but when teams sat on the change, he couldn’t land a strike, and just walked the ballpark, or so it seemed.
As an aside, I don’t get why the Mets keep getting Yankee castaways.
Yeah, metrics are one thing, you can only read them as is, but watching the guy day in and out is a completely different animal. There’s a reason he was supplanted more than once, and ultimately by a guy who had an era over 5 coming from the Pirates, but still had the mental fortitude and obvious toughness to handle the job!
YC, who on the market is better? Over the last 3-4 years Williams is tip 5 in MLB.
Stats measure what the guy did day in and day out.
Diaz, imho, is better. Bednar is better, Munoz is better. Plus, I believe the past five years to be somewhat irrelevant to his performance next season. It shows his capability, perhaps, but his last season is much more indicative of his upcoming performance.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not denying he has been one of the top backend guys over several seasons; but his performance on the Yanks in big spots is not something I want to see again. He may turn out to be an excellent closer for the Mets – and I wouldn’t be surprised. He’s definitely talented, just not a Yankee that performed in several big spots.
1 out of 3 ain’t bad and Diaz will be returning to the Mets.
Of those 3 only Diaz is better and the Yankees are not even targeting him.
You should really be more worried about the Yankees defense.
Ny man, there’s more to baseball than numbers.
The Trajekt pitching machine is hurting a lot of pitchers like Williams. This machine can replicate all pitches and sequence of any pitcher. Hitters spend the whole winter hitting off any pitcher. The only pitch it can’t throw is the splitter or knuckle ball.
Clipper- i generally agree with what you say here. The other thing is, relievers and closers in general, theyre much more volatile than starters. It takes longer for guys to get a read on them, because of how seldom they pitch and how few batters they face.
Where a starter may get a good 5 months before teams get a book on em, a reliever might take a couple seasons. Thats why so many are good for a couple seasons, then lose it.
Fans get spoiled by watching a guy like Rivera who is a rare talent. But even a closer who can be reliably good for a 8 or 9 year stretch is relatively rare compared to the number that gets a couple seasons and lose it.
Also true, good points
Pretty sure you’d be thrilled w Sonny gray every season since he was a Yankee. Great players have down years. Williams is a great player
And I have as a fantasy player, it also doubles down my thoughts on Williams who I owned for a large portion of the season. THOSE stats weren’t great either! No one is denying Williams was great prior, but let’s see how he bounces back. Everyone discounting last season including the Mets is sorta foolish in terms of getting a three year deal. Zero issue had he gotten a one year deal, but three? Yikes.
Probably spells the end of Edwin Diaz.
Not necessarily.
Not necessarily, but it seems plausible they let him go now.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman:
I think that’s the wrong read. I think they’re in on Diaz still too. In fact, it’s being reported they are.
Mets are probably 50/50 on Diaz but now they definitely have insurance on the bullpen assuming Williams gets better
Mets have reportedly been looking to both keep Diaz and add more late inning relief. So this doesn’t preclude bringing Diaz back.
They weren’t going to be able to wait for Diaz, and still sign two closer types if he k=jilts them. So they got one now. We’ll see how the rest plays out.
Do you really think Devin signed to be a set up guy? I believe when you pay those dollars, the expectation is closer.
According to SNY, he is aware that the Mets are still also pursuing Diaz and is fine with it.
I think we’re going to see Cohen spend a lot this offseason. Wouldn’t be surprised with Diaz and a few other big splashes.
I was thinking he’d spend less because the Mets lost an insane amount last season, and the lockout is looming.
But Cohen is in a league of his own, so you may be right.
@Von: I don’t believe that the Mets lost that amount. I believe it’s creative accounting and they put that number out there to shape public perception. I love Cohen as a Mets owner but he is definitely shady when it comes to finances. He also just got approval for that casino thing in Flushing so he’s going to get even richer. I think we’ll see spending like we did a few years ago, when he signed Correa.
VonPurpleHayes:
He just sold a gold toilet for $6 million. Somehow, I don’t think baseball losses phase him all that much lol.
That casino was inevitable. There goes the neighborhood. Although I don’t hang out much there anyway.
Why, because the Mets were a pitiful disappointment last year? Playing golf early.
Hopefully just one piece of the bullpen. Sugar should be next
Sucked for Yankees. Stearns once again looking for lightning in a bottle.
That’s not even lightening in a bottle aside from last year he’s been a top 3-5 closer. Good deal. Even Diaz and Hader have had bad years and rebounded very nicely the following season.
That’s not what that expression means lol
Great pic. R.I.P. Doom.
He didn’t suck for the Yankees. The Yankees sucked on defense when he was pitching.
No, he sucked. Not all the time, but at the start of the season he was especially awful. No defense could have saved him.
Hyperbole, thy name is Yankees fan.
The MLBTR contest leader (Jimmy Hand) got that one, too. Good on you!
Give Jimmy a Hand
That’s what she said.
OMG WUT. They really went here? OK fantastic, get him off the board, but sheesh imagine scoring a 3 year deal off THAT season and not even leaving the city. Oh my gosh, Mets.
But greatest part about of it? I predicted this lol. 3/8!
As more evidence comes in, more I’m leaning towards Stearns as being overrated to quite an extent. Nothing he has done since coming to NY has impressed me really. Everybody was slobbering over this supposed Boy Wonder Brainiac.
Yeah, same. He’s made so many questionable moves already.
Calling him BoYwOnDeR gENiUs and crying at every transaction makes you look like someone who is very intellectually insecure.
Actually I would say the insecure one is the one who is instantly triggered by any negative evaluation of Stearns.
Ok great work go make 1000 more boygenius comments
Theres a ton of upside here. I feel these colmments wont age well
8th inning set-up guys are a dime a dozen on the reclamation pile though. Pre-2025 Williams had a nice run but the difference between 2025 Williams and a successful reclamation project is not that huge; and you just laid down what 50 million guaranteed for him. Long term closer contracts are very rarely if ever worth their weight in bitcoin. (See Tanner Scott; Jeff Hoffman…one year deals are hard to beat.)
@Ignorant
I believe we are in agreement. I was comparing this to other long term closer contracts in my evaluation. I agree that avoiding those altogether is generally the best move. I would prefer the team I root for just gets clever when creating a BP and overpay for other positions
But if you want to pay for a closer long term, the Mets are getting what could be an elite closer for a discount. There’s room for upside here, whereas I would argue a deal like Hader’s leaves very little of that room. I’d prefer Williams at this dollerage over what Hader got or Diaz will get
Let’s face it, the East in both leagues is a different animal than the Central. The travel distince is huge too!
2.68 FIP. Lowered his BB%. SO% in top 10 in MLB. HR/9 close to his career averages.
What was bad about his pitching? Nothing. His problem was the Yankees defense went to sleep when he pitched and had a negative DRS and StatCast FRV. On 11 occasions when he entered the game with men on base they turned easy double play balls into 0 or 1 out. Because double plays missed are not errors, the runs that scored subsequently were on him when with a decent defense he would have been sitting in the dugout with the inning over. That is just part of how bad Yankees defense inflated his ERA.
With the Mets he will have Lindor and Semien turning those double plays. His ERA will go back to around what his FIP was in 2025 without any changes to his pitching.
On 11 occasions when he entered the game with men on base
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According to B-R, he only had 5 inherited runners.
You are correct. I misspoke. 11 out of 15 times with runners on 1st and 1 out Yankees defense turned an easy DP into 0 or 1 out.
15 out of 15 or close to will be outs with Lindor and Semien behind him.
Love to see it! Now get Diaz to resign.
Nah. Diaz to LAD.
dodgers32:
I don’t think so. Mets going all in after that collapse. Mets are still very much in on Diaz. I don’t know where he’ll end up but they’re very much in on him.
No way the Mets sign Diaz now.
Bivouac-Sal:
Except the people who are actually informed about this, the beat writers, say they still are in on Diaz. So I’ll go with the informed opinions. That doesn’t mean they’ll sign him, but you’re off base if you think they’re not still in on him.
Miken: You can read any number of pundits on either side of the Diaz issue. And even if one side is more evident than the other most of them don’t know any more than you or I do. I didn’t say Cohen doesn’t have the money to do what he wants. I just think Diaz is headed elsewhere.
Bivouac-Sal:
You admit that neither of us know what’s going to happen, yet you then tell me you know what’s going to happen:
“No way the Mets sign Diaz now.”
See the inconsistency there?
It’s fair if you think he’s going to sign elsewhere, that’s an opinion, but I certainly wouldn’t assume it.
Obviously it is my opinion. You want to split hairs, split away.
Bivouac-Sal:
Not splitting hairs. I’m just saying, I don’t know what will happen, but I don’t like to definitively state things either way. I think the Mets are in on him and I think it’s too much for anyone to say they’re not going to sign him. Of course it’s your opinion, but I’m just saying that the people who are more in the know, the beat writers (DiComo, Martino) say the Mets are still in on him, so I don’t think it supports that they’re definitely out on Diaz. That’s my point.
Well I’m glad we cleared that up for the third time.
Bivouac-Sal:
Well, I can do it some more if you have any other half-baked declarative statements that you don’t know anything about.
Thanks for confirming what we all thought we knew about you. There is probable consensus on that.
Bivouac-Sal:
Silly drivel. We don’t even know each other. What are you talking about? Obviously nothing.
Good!
I remember when having a terrible season meant you didn’t get a big contract. But now Devin Williams, Cease and Helsley have proved otherwise
And you wonder why some owners are skeptical of signing free agent pitchers long term.
Everyone is too smart for their own good. Believing in stats that absolutely lie in real life.
lmao salz
At least my old man observations are good for a laugh. lol
If he had a great season he would have gotten literally double this contract. He was one of the very best RP in baseball prior to coming the Yankees. So if he repeated his career numbers then he would have most likely gotten the highest contract ever for a RP
@billy that’s a really good point, the fact that he got this much after a bad season just proves how much potential value there is. If and probably when he rebounds to old form it will be a steal. I was selfishly hoping the reds would take a chance
Still will miss the playoffs
Bronxbombers02:
Whaaahhhh!!!
Your season was a failure, by your own standard.
no, it’s the standard stated in so many words by Yankee haters- look how they react when the Yankees do anything BUT win the WS.
How was the their season by YOUR standards? I’m sure you would say an abject failure..
No. It’s the standard established by your HOF shortstop, Derek Jeter Who stated “If we don’t win the World Series, the season’s a failure,” That is verbatim.
Jeter isn’t in uniform anymore. What he says is just his opinion. To apply that to everyone and say it’s “your” standard is ridiculous..
besides which, it’s rather obvious the org is not run that way anymore, and hasn’t been for a long time, and the results show that. And the fans know that. Except for the haters, who continue to apply an outdated standard in a fleeting, sad attempt to feel good about themselves.
So many free agents of the board so quickly!
Dylan Cease, Ryan Helsley,Raisel Iglesias, and now Devin Williams.
“So many free agents of the board so quickly!
Dylan Cease, Ryan Helsley,Raisel Iglesias, and now Devin Williams.”
Notable free agents represented by the Boras Corporation include:
Pete Alonso:
Alex Bregman:
Cody Bellinger
Bo Bichette:
Framber Valdez:
Zac Gallen
Max Scherzer
Ranger Suárez
Ha-Seong Kim
Tatsuya Imai
Kazuma Okamoto:
all of which will in all likelihood won’t be joining your list any time soon
I was talking about relievers.
This is gonna end badly for mets
Guaranteed
Guaranteed, huh? I’m impressed.
I’m somewhat surprised he got that much on a 3 year deal. But at the same time, hes proven himself to be leagues better than he was last year. Obviously theres some risk that last year was a prelude to the future, but at the same time after establishing himself as an absolute monster reliever the contract could look like a bargain. Maybe a lil bit spendy for a 3 year deal but in my opinion not a terrible gamble.
Solid move by Stearns. Also makes Diaz sweat a bit
Diaz is getting Dodgers money, he’ll be fine.
“Dodgers money”?
Does this mean it’s deferred until he is 65?
@TheGreatOne potentially one less suitor for his services
Peripherals were much better than the ERA. He’s still elite.
Peripherals didn’t give me agita last season, his pitching did. It was not easy to watch.
Obviously you didn’t watch him… the only thing elite about him was how amazingly bad he could be at times.
Yeah, he looked really awful the few times I saw him pitch last year. Yikes. They should have gone after Suarez.
I have nothing to base this on, but I do not believe Diaz returns to the Mets.
Have you ever watched him lose those games?
He didn’t do very well when it counted
It was a bad year but I like the deal. That said, does it mean the Mets have moved on from Diaz? Very risky. Remember though, Williams is a Stearns’ guy and he’s obviously comfortable with him.
Elite would mean he doesn’t lose it for chunks of time which he now does.
My perspective watching him pitch last season. This is not a trash Williams post as a Yankee fan. I do believe Williams has the ability to still be elite, but most likely he is post peak. He’ll still be good, I wouldn’t expect his Milwaukee days. Granted, I was traumatized seeing each of his appearances. He cost the Yankees the division title in the first month.
The main issue was he was often pitching from behind, which meant hitters could be more selective, holding off on his “airbender” change. Hitters would not swing at his first pitch, figuring either his fastball would miss, or the airbender would be out of the zone. When he was successful, he was getting ahead. He doesn’t need to throw the fastball for a strike to set up his change, but he needs to get it close enough to create doubt, and that’s where he had problems. That improved as the season progressed, but he was given the closer’s role twice, and he failed twice. How bad? The Yankees went out and traded for two All-Star closers at the deadline to replace Williams. Once he wasn’t expected to be “the guy,” he seemed to relax and pitch better.
The Yankees were very careful in picking the lanes for Williams as the season progressed.
3 years ago Diaz went through the same thing except he was way worse than Devin and he got it figured out.
This is a good get for the Mets and a cheaper alternative to Diaz while being capable of delivering similar results. I suppose the Yankees turn to the trade market to round out their bullpen now
Why do we need a 20M closer and a 17+M set up man ? This pretty much closes the door on re-signing Diaz. We got too many other holes to fill
ReyDay:
They’re still in on Diaz. It’s being reported. Coming off the collapse they just had, Steve Cohen‘s not going to let money get in the way.
Diaz is gone
Never Remember:
The local beat guys know more than you. Anthony DiComo and Andy Martino both said the Mets are still in a Diaz. I’ll trust them more than whoever you are.
Will all the other holes we have to fill it just doesn’t seem like adding Diaz should be a priority. We could easily send Clay back to the bullpen for that roll. I’m not found of using closers in set up rolls anyway. It doesn’t seem to work out well from my perspective.
ReyDay:
But where does their budget end? Who’s to say they can’t bring back Diaz and still do the things they want?
Never said they can’t it just shouldn’t be a high priority now with the SP and INF/OF holes they have. RP pop up every year from nobodies. Also I’m just not a big fan putting an established closer in the set up roll. Holmes or Minter could easily be that 8th inning guy
ReyDay:
It’s been reported that Williams is willing to pitch the eighth inning, so he’s OK with it, I’m open to it. Holmes is not going back to the bullpen. And Minter is coming off two injury plagued seasons. They need some stability in that bullpen. I think they can sign Diaz and still accomplish a lot of their goals.
Holmes may be the odd man out unless they go with a 6 man rotation. Senga, McLean, Manaea. Peterson, Tong/Sproat and that’s without signing or trading for anyone which I think is needed cause they need an bonafide anchor or Ace in that rotation. Senga is too much of a ? Manaea we don’t really know what to expect of him and 2 rookies looking at a full year of work is risky to roll dice on no matter the talent they posses.
Why do you blankly and arbitrarily assume that Tong and/or Sproat will be in the rotation right from the start of the season? Didn’t we see both of them struggle in half or more of their starts last year? There is no baseball reason that would prevent them both from opening the season in the minors.
ReyDay:
I believe Senga is the odd man out. He’s likely to get traded. Holmes did not sign there to be a reliever. If he pitched poorly as a starter, that would be a different matter. However, it would be very much in bad faith to move him back into the bullpen after he had a pretty successful year in the starting rotation.
@geofft
You misunderstood the point I was making we have a full starting rotation as is. I was saying that would be the 1-5 without signing anybody and putting Clay in BP.
And idk what you talking about struggle ? Tong was rushed up while Sproat looked a hell of a lot better towards the end compared to how he started 2025. 18 innings and 20 innings isn’t a very big sample size to say one way or the other
@ REyDey I unerstood perfectly. But there is no reason why the top 5 would necessarily include Tong/Sproat.
@ ReyDey Sproat was better at the end than the beginning in triple-A. He did get hit hard in the majors. You say Tong was rushed. Well that is my point exactly. I am not saying these guys won’t be good at some point. I’m just saying they are not ready (or not ready enough NOW) to declare them part of the opening day roster.
So what’s the starting 5 right now? If Mets moved Clay to BP one of Sproat/Tong would 100% be that 5th starter granted they both are healthy and don’t completely bomb in ST. Sproat is 25 with a 150+ innings in AAA, he’s more than ready wether that translates to the bigs is yet to be seen.
But who said the Mets will move Clay to the pen? You did. Not anyone affiliated with the Mets.
You’ve built a house of cards based on assumptions that are not necessarily true: You’ve assumed that they will not get another closer/8th inning arm when they’ve said they will. You’ve assumed that will mean sending Clay to the pen when no one else has talked about it. So you’ve assumed that a youngster must then be in the rotation – even though they’ve also said they will pursue the SP market.
But none of that is the definitive reality.
And by the way, you forgot about Christian Scott returning from TJ.
That’s literally what these forums are for. I never once said they would send Clay to BP I said they SHOULD instead of signing a 20M closer when we just got Williams and all the other holes we have. Scott is coming off TJ to use him as a 5th starter out the gate is more insane suggestion than Sprout or Tong.
You framed it as if it was a given. These forums are for expressing opinion. You are discussing your opinion as if it is fact.
Scott had his TJ in September of ’24. He will be 17 months removed from it by April. That is the on the longer side of the normal return time. You can disagree, But to call it insane is an uninformed position on our part.
“We could easily send Clay back to the bullpen for that roll”
“Holmes may be the odd man out unless they go with a 6 man rotation”
“Holmes or Minter could easily be that 8th inning guy”
Yeah you are just projecting and seeing what you want to see. Nowhere are those statements even remotely considered fact.
And to address the Scott comment, it’s not about being healthy I was referring to it was getting back to your normal production. Most TJ aren’t producing their pre TJ #’s right out the gate it usually takes 1/2-1 full season.
The Mets won’t be moving Holmes to the pen. Pay attention to what your POBO is saying in interviews.
Y’all really can’t read, I never said they were.
Go on back to Texas. No one is Y’all in the NE.
Stearns said Holmes will be in the rotation. You tried to say they should move him to the bullpen. They won’t.
What are you 5 ? Getting triggered by a word Jesus. Yeah it’s an opinion based comment section. I would rather move Clay to bullpen then spend 20+ M on Diaz for 5 years and instead use that $ to get a real SP.
Uncle Steve is a multi-billionaire and spends like a drunken sailor. Dude is literally trying to buy a chip. Unfortunately, his FO isn’t that great….
“This pretty much closes the door on re-signing Diaz.”
Strongly disagree. Williams is a good closer but he’s a downgrade from Diaz. Bullpen was a weakness for the Mets. I doubt the gameplan is to downgrade at closer.
Stern may disagree that Diaz > Williams. You may think its a downgrade, but the Mets may not.
@ ReyDey Let’s start with the fact that Stearns did say at the outset of the off season that he wanted to both bring back Diaz, and bring in another late-inning arm.
And did you not see how bad the bullpen was last year? How many late-inning relievers Stearns got at the trade deadline, and how many prospects he sent out to get them? (Including a potential future closer who reached AAA by the end of the season).
If you don’t have Williams, then who is your set up man? The oft-injured Minter? Or Raley, who has been incredibly reliable thus far. But at 38, he could fall of the cliff at any time. And let’s keep in mind that he did not have to pitch a full season last year as he was rehabbing for a large part of the season. Will he hold up to a full year? We don’t know.
And just to be clear, I’m not saying Diaz is returning for sure. But if he doesn’t, then the Mets will pursue one of the other closers on the market.
Well Diaz didn’t return and on a reasonable contract too so all this smoke about them wanting Diaz back is total baloney like I thought. A set up man is not as important as OF, SP, and 1b for this team. 3 years is all Diaz got and only a slight raise from what Mets were paying him. If they really wanted him back they could have matched that.
His underlying numbers were still plenty good. His FIP, xFIP, SIERA, Stuff+ were all similar to his career averages. He was above the 95th percentile of both whiff and chase rate. He feels like the most obvious rebound candidate for 2026.
Diaz to the Dodgers now
@jaysmooth2121
Diaz to the Blue Birds so they can rematch the Dodgers and get that 2nd out…
jaysmooth2121:
Mets are still on Diaz. I think they sign both.
@Miken31
Yes, I had Diaz going to the Mets.
feels like an obvious buy low, relievers are known to bounce back like Diaz did after his rough start. Not saying he’s Diaz, but the comparisons to Betances are nonsense.
relievers are also known to suck forever once they “lose” it, they are always a gamble
How does he perform as a setup man if Diaz is re-signed? We know that Helsley did poorly in that role.
He’s not Helsley.
Yes, but some pitchers need the pressure of a save situation to perform well. Diaz had a history of not being as good in non-save situations.
He did very well when he was the setup guy for Hader.
You cannot use Diaz to prove Bill’s point about Williams.
Are you referring to Diaz as the setup or Williams as the setup?
Mets turning over their roster to change “culture”
Closers left on market:
Edwin Diaz
Robert Suarez
Others:
Shawn Armstrong
Tyler Rogers
Kenely Jansen
Pete Fairbanks
Luke Weaver
Forgot Emilio Pagan.
Pagan, and who else did I miss?
Finnegan
Fairbanks is the one I like from that list
I had him going to the Motor City Kitties. Swing and a miss, again…
I think most missed on this one.
I missed a couple of the QO’s but got this one. Also have Diaz to LAD as a few on here seem to like as well.
Mets fans thinking they’re still going for Diaz need to be let down easy. It’s not happening. They aren’t giving this money/commitment to set up guy. Stearns has history with Williams and he likes bringing in guys he’s dealt with. Probably cried when Woodruff accepted the QO.
Also the folks hanging their hats on secondary and underlying stats need to watch some actual baseball. He was not fun to watch at any point last season. His body language looked off, and he inspired zero confidence whenever he came out.
He still pitched really well, it’s not his fault the Yankees can’t play defense.
HE. DID. NOT. PITCH. WELL.
Signed,
Yankees fans
Trevor May would beg to differ. He analyzed Williams mid-season and found the biggest factor was the Yankees’ poor defense in key spots, especially up the middle.
Did Trevor May watch every outing like we had to endure? Most likely not.
I love how you still double down on this nonsense when presented with actual data proving otherwise. Sorry your team can’t play defense!
Because I watched the actual outings, he wasn’t good even when he wasn’t bad! You can only partially blame defense for his performances. This ain’t that hard.
You’re acting as if relief pitchers aren’t the most volatile position ever. It’s pefectly normal for even reguarly elite relievers to have down years like Williams did.
He wasnt good. He was elite. Top 20-25. 2.68 FIP. 36.7% SO rate. Lowered his BB rate by 25%.
What was bad was the Yankees defense. His BABip went up 50 points in the Bronx over the last 2 seasons with Brewers and that is all on the defense. With as good of a defense as they have in Queens or as they had in Milwaukee his ERA is elite too.
Well now you can forget about him, just like Soto I’m sure.
Thankfully! Please if you think the majority actually wanted him back, that’s bananas. He was painful to watch.
1 down year from a reliever that has been elite for his entire career is basically nothing, especially with the underlying numbers he has.
I’m not arguing that. I am arguing giving him 3 years vs. 1. Giving him 3 years off that season is bananas, but honestly no worries. After seeing him daily and now hearing how he’s always shaky makes question what people think elite is when it c9mes to the position.
@Salzilla
So, Diaz to the Yankees? Yankees don’t look competitive enough. Go get some bats that know how to hit the ball and make contact. Try that first…
Signed Grumpy old man.
I think Diaz to LAD tbh.
And I agree! Yankees have stuff to do!
Doesn’t change my thoughts on this though!
Yeah, but throughout his Brewers time (I watched almost every game) his body language and approach was much the same as last year. You’re right that he’s not a comfortable watch for a fan – often seems to flirt with disaster before finishing it off. Walk a couple of guys, and then strike out the side. But his results were elite in Milwaukee while giving fans fits in just the same way as he did with NYY. So if his peripherals indicate that despite worse outcomes he was basically the same pitcher in 2025 as he had been during those prior elite seasons, it’s not crazy (in fact, it’s rational) to back him going forward.
Please let them. Look i have zero issue with a team making the move, I just question a team in the same town just looking at those same things and going he’ll be fine.
Stats are just one of the things that make you an elite closer to me, but man that’s not the type of stuff you want to see on a mound from what should be tradionally your grittiest guy. He was brutal here. You can blame other factors, but sheesh you have put the majority on his overall makeup.
Fair enough. And although he was great as a closer for the Brewers, he was dynamite as an 8th inning guy behind Hader. Games used to be over after seven innings if Milwaukee were ahead. If, as others have said, it ends up being Williams-Diaz in eight/nine for the Mets, I think that’s a really strong move.
I think Yankee fans are the ones who need to be let down easy. I mean, after what Hal said in his last press conference, you guys can’t have much faith that there is anything left to sign anyone of consequence.
We’ll be fine. Thank you.
I dunno. When your owner basically says he wants a cap, and floor, it means he doesn’t want to spend money. I guess we’ll see how far that extends, now that the Sox, and Jays are making moves.
Just going to roll my eyes and move on.
Of course you are. But you know I’m right.
Nah, bro, this is the Yankees, a team I’ve followed for close to 50 years, we don’t do nothing EVER no matter what is said. To say otherwise shows ignorance or just trolling. Enjoy whatever it is you’re getting out of it though. But seriously LOL at “…you know I’m right.”
In the past I would have agreed with you, because I too have been following this sport for over 50 years. But Hal isn’t like his dad. In some ways that’s good. In other ways, for Yankee fans, it’s not. There is no way, in the past, that George would have lost Soto to the Mets. And if you’ve been following for as long as you say you have, you know that’s a fact. This is a different ownership group for the Yankees. They have limits. If you listen to some of the NY radio, you hear this from Yankee fans all the time. Most don’t like it.
They have their limits and yet they’ve still done the job year in/year out. This team will do what they need to. They have holes and they’ll be filled. There’s no one that even has any shadow of a doubt about that. I’m not in the least worried.
And tbh, I’m glad we didn’t have George to make that Soto deal. It’s honestly a bit refreshing to have SOME restraint lol.
Restraint? I don’t call their final offer restraint. That was their limit, not their restraint.
The difference is in years past is you’d go out, and get the best 3B available rather than throw Ryan McMahon out there again. I know, he’s a great defensive 3B. But he doesn’t hit. You’re just under $250 mil right now, from what I’m looking at. That probably leaves you between $60-80 mil to spend. You may be right. But we’ll see.
Tabloids and talk radio live in their own bubble. Anyone else can see that once again a multi-billionaire is trying to buy a championship by throwing money at ex-Yankees.
You do realize how ridiculous it is to call that amount of money a limit? You think a few million more mattered at that point? Come on now, the writing was on the wall there and they saw it. Soto was milking it and they said nah. You want us, this is it. Not because they couldn’t compete. Soto wasnt coming back here he was just driving up the price. If you think otherwise, sure whatever makes you happy.
As for what will happen, all this means nothing. Let’s sit back see how it rolls out. But history is on our side.
You can call it what you want to call it, but if George were running things still, he would have never let the Mets outbid him for a player. I call that a limit because the owners father didn’t have a limit where his team was concerned.
History may be on your side, but recent history isn’t, by the owners own statements.
Yeah…let’s not count all the ex Mets the Yankees have signed over the years.
Recent history as in what exactly? I’m not delusional in thinking the Yankees can get whoever they want. George has been gone a long time now, that’s history, move on from taunts based on that and just look. We’ve gotten plenty of free agents since and made a ton of trades. It’s bananas you keep insisting on recent history, but jeez we did pretty darn geeat with last seasons haul alone, and we were above the threshold again. Like are you even arguing about?! You aren’t right in slightest. Holy cow. OMG we’re smarter now! What a bad thing! And guess what?! We made the playoffs and the big bidding Mets that didn’t have limits didn’t! LOL please stop!
I’m not taunting you. I’m having a conversation. The reality is the Yankees have a payroll limit now that didn’t exist before. I’m not putting anything past Cashman. He makes some very good moves, and is underrated by Yankees fans who want him gone. Recent history isn’t you losing Soto to the Mets, not having the highest payroll in the game, and having your owner talk about his finances to the negative. This is reality. This isn’t a taunt. We’re talking about how the Yankees overcome that.
Yes, the Mets did a horrible job last year not making the playoffs. Stearns did a terrible job putting together a mediocre at best pitching staff, and he deserves to to criticized for it. The Mets don’t have spending limits currently. But the plan is to set the entire system up for continued playoff appearances by building the minor league system along with getting spending under control, building the brand globally, like the Yankees and Dodgers, and turn a profit. The Mets lost $350 mil last season. That is not sustainable by any measure.
Everyone has a limit with the luxury tax, it’s just how much you want to pay before it becomes detrimental to the business. And yes even George did in later years. Hal talking about it is totally fine, I expect him to be his own man and to run his business the way he needs to. Losing Soto wasnt the end of world especially with the gains we made. Cashman does a great job overall, we have one of the highest payroll, have gone over when we’ve had to, and the team has played into the playoffs in most seasons. I honestly don’t have any real complaints as a fan, sure we can nitpick, but the reality is the Yanks always find a way because they’re the Yankees and Hal knows that. The fact that you think those items are issues doesn’t really matter nor is the “reality” of what you’re saying something any actual NYY fan is taking seriously. Until they legit hit rock bottom, there’s nothing to “overcome” here and they’re not even in the stratosphere of that.
ok.
A little surprising but this obviously means they thought Diaz demands were out of bounds.
No. this means they want an elite setup guy for an elite closer. Williams was an elite setup guy when paired with Hader in Milwaukee.
That’s a lot of money for the air bender, the Brewers were winners again.
If Pete Alonso doesn’t return they should give Devin his locker
I really don’t see this as a massive overpay. This is what top tier closers make, and it’s not like it’s over 5, 6, 7+ seasons either. It’s only 3. Yeah, he struggled in 2025, but sometimes closers have off-years like that. Afterall, it is the most volatile position in terms of performance year-over-year.
Only three. I remember when the Theo signed Kimbrel to only three years. Seemed like a windfall after Julianna Zobrist did what she did. Red Sox fans warned us about him. Then the Cubs missed the playoffs and then COVID hit the next year and then the fire sale happened the next year.
His underlying stats for 2025 were all in line with his career figures. His ERA ballooned in the Bronx because the Yankees don’t believe in playing competent defense. Williams is gonna bounce back.
Too much $$ for Williams, now I’m guessing Diaz can’t demand 5 years anymore lol, if the Mets don’t resign Diaz, I’d say go after Robert Suarez and let him and Williams battle it out for the closer role lol
Here come the Yankee fans to say he’s a bum 🤣. If Bellinger signs with the Mets they’ll say he sucks also. Just like Soto who ended third for MVP. Rinse repeat. 🤡🤡
Nope, Bellinger was great. Devin wasn’t. Who said Soto was bad??? Odd history there.
Why move out of NY, when you really don’t have to.
Quite a day for NYM fans. A Casino & Devin Williams
Can’t see how the casino is good news for fans since it means the parking lots will now be garages and even worse to get out of after the game. Unless of course they want to go gambling before or after the game.
Thats actually a great idea – spend a couple of hours at the casino while the traffic dies down.
Cashman giving up Durbin and Cortes… then losing the trade piece to the Mets .. I mean .. what a waste of resources. No one is calling him on this enough.
Or… you could congratulate Cashman for dealing Cortes at exactly the right time.
Durbin, not so much.
Eh sure he got good value if it was just Nestor .. but it wasn’t.. so bad trade.. again.
It would be funny now if Edwin Diaz or Pete Alonso sign with the Yankees so that the subway series won’t only be about Soto
nice setup man
so does this mean Diaz is a goner? Mets just straight up trying to buy a Championship, how boring and souless
Sorry they don’t wanna lose like you do.
Mets continue to keep top players from returning to Yankees. Is Bellinger next?
Williams also reunites with Stearns and his pitching lab staff.
He’ll be much better in Citifield. I wonder what this means for Diaz.
Everyone says Dodgers, but no one ever really knows what they’ll do. Makes it interesting as a fan. And they really can’t do worse than Conforto, Yates, and Scott least year.
Plus, we should have Brock Stewart back!
I think LAD go for the shorter deal Robert Suarez will command. I dont want to see another 35 yr old arm, but I get the economics of it.
Stewart comes back, as does Scott, Dreyer, Knack, Vesia, Klein (I think?) and Wrobo. I know I’m forgetting someone already. Banda and Casparius returning? Graterol healthy? Thinking Treinen minimized/gonzo. Bobby Miller is anyone’s guess.
Team has an absolute bleep ton of starting arms with Gavin Stone and River Ryan returning and Sheehan plus Sasaki not even able to crack the starting rotation of Glasnow, Y2K, Snellzilla and Shohei but with #22 retiring, either a FA signing/trade or one of these guys will slot in. Andrew Friedman’s not the biggest fan of dropping big money on relievers long-term and the Tanner Scott imbroglio likely not changing his mind. They may try to resurrect Bobby Miller as a reliever but they may not go in for the big 8th inning and 9th inning/closer guy. Team has already shown, two years in a row in the postseason, that they aren’t afraid to mix up the usual baseball protocols. They’ve got more hurlers who can go 2-6 innings and are pretty damned good instead of the five decade wisdom of get it to the bullpen for the last few innings of the game. Nothing says LA can’t rock the entire starting rotation and fill in the last 3-4 innings consistently with any of Ryan, Sheehan, Stone, Wrobo, Dreyer, Knack et al going 2 innings along with one of the others doing the same. Sure, mix in a Vesia, Klein, Graterol or Banda for an inning for giggles or for that leveraged (stretch of) matchup(s). Maximum that opposing hitters will likely be getting would be 2 at-bats vs. a long(er) reliever. Team doesn’t need a Robert Suarez or Edwin Diaz. Happy they “missed out” on Helsley and Devin Williams.
Williams isn’t going to be the closer. He’ll be Diaz’ setup man.
I hope so. Need at least one more trustworthy 7th or 8th inning arm as well. We can’t be relying on Brazoban and Lovelady to throw high-leverage innings again.
They can always put Holmes back in the pen. That’s the way I’d go. They have too many arms in the rotation anyway.
Steve Cohen’s spending is profligate, but Stearns isn’t paying $50 million for a setup guy.
Yes he is, because he’s numbers guy. He’s trying to shorten the game inning by inning. Liken it to 1996, when the Yankees had Mariano as the 7th inning guy, and Wetteland as the closer. Yes, I know they let Wetteland go in the offseason. But that was an excellent combination, and shortened the game by 2 innings for the Yankees. And 50 mil, with some deferred, and some given as a bonus.If you’re a Yankees fan, you know it costs more to do business in NY.
I really hope to God that is so. Williams looked so shaky with the Yankees. Remember years ago Putz and Krod didn’t work. I see a lot of similarities except Williams wants to pitch in New York. Putz never did. And with a name like that in that city!!! Wow that was bad!!
David Stearns is an idiot. Don’t resign Diaz, instead sign a guy who is declining and showed he can’t make it in NYC. Smart hire Cohen. Stearns is the worst exec in baseball. Please ship him back to the Brewers even if it costs us the next 2 years draft picks and however many millions of $$
dopey
Elite setup man for Diaz
Sign Fairbanks or Suarez for the same deal and let Diaz go….we need changes..chances… well done!
I like with New York fans say an athlete can’t make it there if they have a bad first year with one of their teams.
I get the sports media is hellish there and it’s real. But guys in all sports have down years when going to a new team. What about those in other cities?
Makes you think Suarez will command more $$.
i think so- Seems like going rate for closer with a few warts (Williams and Helsey) is 14-15 million on 2-3 years. So a legit closer with no red flags is going to be looking at 20m. That Diaz contract is going to look less and less like an outlier.
More dumpster diving. Why do they only it seems sign former Yankee players
Yeah, shame on them for signing a “bum” like Juan Soto.
Because Steve Cohen is trying to compare richards with the Yankees.
He could buy the Yankees and move them to Guam just for fun. I don’t think he needs to compare anything.
Ryan Helsley looking like a steal already.
I don’t get that read from this contract. The O’s gave Helsley a 1 year deal with a pillow at the same AAV.
I prefer Williams’ deal but do like both relievers.
Seems the opposite. This deal for Williams seems a lot more attractive than Helsley at $14M, especially considering Williams’ deal is more like $12M AAV with deferrals.
IMO, it’s an odd deal. If he is there to replace Diaz as closer, I’d rather pay more for Diaz who is a lower risk. If he is there to be a setup guy, I question the price tag.
Steve’s money.
I like Williams a lot and thing this is a good move. Stearns understands the pitcher from having him in Milwaukee. I’d be surprised if he’s not really good.
First Semien and now Williams. So far, the Mets are making good on their promise to address run prevention. I would also be surprised if Williams isn’t really good, be it as a closer or a setup man. It’ll be interesting to see what they do next.
What do we get for our PTSD?
The Mets sure do love picking up Yankees leftovers. First Soto and now Devin Williams.
Don’t forget Clay Blown Save Holmes.
I guess the D’Backs are off bottom feeding for a closer, will come back empty and say we will be a bullpen by committee for the 3rd year in a row. Well so much for a quality stopper in the bullpen for 2026. When you only have around 50 mil to spend to upgrade the roster for 2026, you just can’t expect to field a quality team, great way to upgrade. No bullpen, No starters, No nothing for the D’Backs this offseason.
Dbacks were never going to play in this market. This is a retool year for Arizona whether they say it publicly or not.
Rumors are that the DBacks are going to fold up, and that everyone is moving out of Phoenix because of global cooling
This signing all be guarantees Bellinger won’t be returning to Yankees as I can see Cohen going 6/200 with deferred money involved once again sticking a dagger in Yankees hearts. Why are the Yankees not getting creative with the deferrals to land some of the players? Its like Steinbrenner does not want to spend period deferrals and all!
Advice to readers who are about to start reading through this lengthy thread: stop after 10 posts, the rest just repeat the same comments.
This was always how it was going to be. Yankees fans slamming William’s for results and telling Mets fans all about it.
Look guys. Even if you dont value metrics the way others do it has to mean something when it all points to bad luck. His Fip, xFip, SIERA and k/9 are all elite.
It also points to bad defense.
That’s bull…
This is what someone who didn’t watch him all season says. We aren’t slamming him for bad luck, we’re slamming him because he looked bad, even when he was “good” he never looked it. So please stop with all these under hood stats and just use your eyes sometimes.
Metrics were the brainchild of agents trying to make bad into good if not very good…your ceyes and ears tell a very different story….
Elite closers save games. Over the last four seasons when he was the closer (Hader was the closer the first half of that first year) Williams has 83 saves. In only one of those years has he had more than 18 (in 2023 he had 36). That puts him in a class with Carlos Estevez (94);.Jeff Hoffman (85) Kyle Finnegan (82) and Pete Fairbanks (83). It’s a ways to go to those who averaged 25 saves per season or better over those years. Kenley Jansen (126); Ryan Helsley (103); Emmanuel Clase (157); Josh Hader (131). Edwin Diaz had 80 and he missed an entire season. Robert Suarez had 76 and was the closer for only two seasons. Jhoan Duran had 82 and was the closer for only three seasons. Williams has great stuff and had one great season as closer. But as of now he’s not a proven, elite closer.
Right. But he’ll likely be a setup guy, not a closer.
@Bronxlou — Maybe that’s the point — that he’s not an elite closer. Maybe they see him an elite setup man to pair with Díaz, or to a lesser extent Suarez, who would be a cheaper option. Williams provides insurance while bargaining with Díaz. I just wish some team comes in and signs Suarez taking away an option for NYM.
How does this affect Timmy Trumpet?
Watching Williams blow games for the muts will be priceless
As is typical for New York’s National League ballclub, the news breaks in the middle of a Monday Night Football game involving the New York Giants.
The stove may be hot yet LOLmets never goes cold.
Find something worth complaining about.
I ain’t complaining, I’m just pointing out the Mets don’t know how to time a free-agent signing for maximum impact.
This team seems to really be under your skin.
Met’s willing to make the same mistake three more times?
Give Diaz what he wants, re-sign Tyler Rogers, and they already have the foundation of a great bullpen. No more 50 pitcher BS though, please
Wow, that’s a lot of money. I watched him with the Yanks last year and he blew so many leads.
Good riddance. Start blowing games for the Mets.
Better the Mets than the Dodgers.
*Insert deferral joke here*
What’s the over on the number of commenters who post “bUt MuH ERA!!!” for Williams/Helsley/Cease, then watch all three get elite results next year, and learn absolutely nothing from it?
33.3%. Some Americans like numbers and will take the time to read up on them. 33% understand what you’re talking about, but lack the interest to do a deep-dive.
And 33% think that the numbers they used 50 years ago should never be challenged. After all, if it not on the back of a BB card, it’s useless.
Sure this brings back memories of what Pete Alonso did to him, but I think Williams could turn out to be solid with the Mets.
Merciful fate tells you Diaz and Alonso are done in queens. I can’t wait to see who he brings in the replace Alonso. There has to be an ex brewer 1st baseman available. Carlos Santana anyone? In queens, hell awaits.
$51M and he didn’t get many crucial outs last year.
Yankees hitters didn’t do well enough to find out
The Mets and Angels have too much money and no idea how to spend it.
Fair contract but will give it B because it’s NY and Mets. They got good value. Deferred some. Stearns will get him in pitching lab and make him even better. And if not he’s still easily worth the contract. Most fans use era so when Yankees fans see the era come down it’s another win for the Mets. Mets won’t take over Yankees anytime soon but there’s plenty of growth for them available.
Yes. Waste money.
For all of Williams struggles he actually pitched better at Yankee Stadium than he did on the road. Some of his road numbers are ugly and maybe getting out of the American League will revert Williams back to his Brewers form
I love how Stearns always addresses plan B before plan A. He’s playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers obviously
I think you got it the wrong way, Methinks Stearns is playing Checkers, not Chess.
That’s why the Mets just won back to back World Series.
Best Non SIgning by the Yankees in a long time.
Díaz first year in New York? Since then?
Huh.
NOOOOOOO!!!!!! Stearns you absolute FOOL!!!! This bozo CANNOT pitch in NY.
Four scoreless innings in the postseason.
He pitched much better in NY last year than he did on the road. You know, you can look these things up before looking like an ‘ absolute FOOL!!!!’.
What a great signing by Stearns. Williams peripherals and FIP were all very close to his averages of the last 4 seasons but his ERA was greatly affected by an extremely porous Yankees defense.
If they Mets also resign Diaz, Williams can step into a setup role or if they don’t he can close. It gives the Mets more leverage in negotiations with Diaz as well.
So you’re saying it gives the Mets the opportunity to walk away from Diaz and his demands (more leverage). Diaz will sign for the most $$$$$, whether is from Cohen, or someone else. That leverage only works if Diaz refuses to change uniforms. Other teams offers won’t be affected by what the Mets do.
Other teams are definitely affected by the bidding process.
IMO, the Mets have no leverage. They can top the Dodgers’ offer or move on.
Thats 40 million more than what the Yankees wanted to pay him. I’m hearing Adam Ottavino to the Mets for two years and 30 million.
They got him cheap but man was he shaky last year for the Yanks. I know that “Airbender” change still moves and let’s hope that it was a blip. Kinda hoping they bring Diaz back, but not 5 years of Diaz. I don’t know about this one. Hopefully I’m wrong!!
Teams are teaching their pitcher the splitter, This is the one pitch that Trajekt pitching machine can’t throw.. We all saw Yesevage in the series throwing it but not an easy pitch to throw!
It’s fine to sign Devin at this price. Edwin Diaz is still a must have for the Mets.
As a yankees fan I liked when they picked him up! However after watching him the whole season he was a roller coaster ride. Not sure if it was the pressure of pitching in NY but I believe it was opening day and he got into a little trouble then got out of it against the brewers his former team the announcer for the brewers said it this is what you get up and down nail biters as he will put guys on. I still wanted him back to see if he could build off of year 1 but moving on perhaps the yankees can sign someone else… put the $ toward bellinger and lock him up.. let’s go!
Uncle Steve thinks he is the second coming of Cashman from the 90s. He spends all this money locking in mediocre players who still can’t get the Mets to the finish line. Since 1986 the Mets haven’t won anything, the Mets will be the next Cubs with the 100 yr curse.
There’s already a curse, it’s known as LOLmets.
I had Devin signing with a small market team, but the Mets must feel confident they can get him back on track. He might just turn it around with the Mets too…
Wow. Negative WAR last season.
Posting negative comments about his service time in the Bronx seems a bit personal. Other than last season He’s been more than just a solid part of the bullpen but integral part. IF, his season in the Bronx was a career hiccup or something more diminishing in his performance is just speculation. Queens is a different animal and he’s back in the NL so with that said I wish him health n happiness.
Ps. Nobody cursed him more than yours truly last season. Yours truly meaning moi , moi meaning me. Sigh…
Aren’t deferrals good for the player? They collect the interest as well if I’m not mistaken.
Depends if there is interest baked in to the deal. Ohtani’s 700M contract doesn’t so it’s calculated as 460M.
Maybe the smart money is in spreading the $35 -45 million commanded by aces pitching 6 innings per week over 3 excellent relievers from who you might get 10-12 innings per week from.
Who knows?
That said, If Diaz and the Mets are dragging this out, they don’t want to be left standing with no chair to sit. Nothing wrong with being proactive and hedging bets.