Feb. 10: Detroit has officially announced the Valdez signing. He’ll earn a base salary of $17.5MM in 2026, $37.5MM 2027, and $35MM in 2028. Valdez can opt out after 2027. The deal also includes a $40MM mutual option for 2029 with a $5MM buyout. Valdez’ $20MM signing bonus is entirely deferred, with payments not starting until 2030.
Feb. 4: The Tigers land the offseason’s top remaining free agent, reportedly agreeing to a three-year deal with Framber Valdez that guarantees $115MM. The deal, which is pending a physical, allows the star left-hander to opt out after the second season. It contains a $20MM signing bonus and an unspecified amount of deferred money. Valdez is represented by Octagon.
Valdez reunites with A.J. Hinch and gives the Tigers a lethal 1-2 pairing at the top of the rotation. He’ll slot behind Tarik Skubal atop a starting staff that suddenly looks like one of the best in the American League. They’ll be followed by Reese Olson, Jack Flaherty and Casey Mize if everyone gets through camp healthy. That’d push KBO signee Drew Anderson into a swing role, while second-year righty Troy Melton can either pitch out of the bullpen or wait in Triple-A for a rotation spot to open.
The Skubal-Valdez pairing may only be together for one season, as the two-time defending Cy Young winner is a year away from what should be a record-setting free agent contract. Skubal and the club went to a hearing this morning that’ll determine whether he makes $19MM or $32MM for his final year under club control. The arbitrators will not reveal their decision until tomorrow, and Chris McCosky of The Detroit News confirms that neither the Tigers nor Skubal’s camp are aware yet of which way they’ll rule. The Valdez pickup is an independent decision.
It’s the kind of win-now strike for which much of the Detroit fanbase has waited all offseason. The Tigers had a fairly conservative trade deadline, and their biggest moves before tonight had been retaining Flaherty on a $20MM player option and Gleyber Torres via the $22.025MM qualifying offer. They also brought back setup man Kyle Finnegan on a two-year deal and added Anderson and closer Kenley Jansen on one-year contracts. They’d done a decent job building depth but without pushing the chips in for an impact player in what could be Skubal’s final season in the Motor City.
Valdez brings the ceiling that Detroit’s other acquisitions had lacked. He’s a two-time All-Star who has finished top 10 in Cy Young balloting in three of the past four seasons. Valdez worked his way from an unheralded amateur signee to the big leagues in 2018. He spent his first two seasons working in a swing role for an Astros club managed by Hinch. Valdez moved into the rotation permanently during the shortened 2020 campaign and has been one of the best pitchers in MLB over the last six years.
The southpaw has posted a sub-4.00 earned run average in each season since he became a full-time starter. He has been exceptionally durable as well, only twice landing on the injured list in his MLB career. He fractured his left ring finger when he was hit by a comebacker in Spring Training 2021. He was back from that injury by the end of May. His only other IL stint was a two-week absence for elbow inflammation early in ’24. He returned without issue and wound up making 29 starts between the regular season and playoffs.
Valdez is tied for 14th in starts and ranks fifth with 973 innings dating back to 2020. He has a cumulative 3.23 ERA in that time. That includes sub-3.00 showings in 2022 and ’24. Valdez was among the most consistent top-of-the-rotation starters in MLB — at least until the second half of his walk year. He posted an earned run average between 2.82 and 3.45 in each season between 2021-24. He topped 175 innings in each of the latter three years.
For the first half of last season, Valdez was on a similar pace. He took a 2.75 ERA over 121 frames into the All-Star Break. Valdez came out of the Break with two more quality starts and was sitting on a 2.62 ERA (a top 10 mark among qualifiers) as August arrived. He picked a tough time for arguably the worst couple months of his career. Valdez was blitzed for a 6.05 ERA with a dramatically reduced 17.7% strikeout rate over his final 10 starts. His sinker velocity dipped slightly, and opponents teed off on it in August and September. There’s no indication that he was tipping pitches, and it seems like the issue was mostly poor execution.
Valdez also found himself at the center of controversy during a start against the Yankees on September 2. Two pitches after giving up a grand slam to Trent Grisham, he hit catcher César Salazar in the chest with a 93 MPH sinker on a cross-up. Salazar was clearly expecting a breaking ball and didn’t have time to react to the fastball. Valdez didn’t check on the catcher in the moment. Salazar was not hurt and finished the game without issue.
The pitcher denied that the cross-up was intentional. Salazar did his best to publicly downplay the incident, saying he pressed the wrong button on his PitchCom. Even if that’s the case, the pitcher’s seeming lack of concern on the mound made for poor optics. Valdez said postgame that he had apologized to his battery mate.
Did that have any impact on his market value? It’s impossible to know from the outside, though one imagines some teams asked Valdez about the incident during the free agent process. It’s worth noting that a Detroit team managed by his former skipper is the one that eventually signed him, so it seems they don’t have any concerns about his makeup or clubhouse presence.
The late-season dip in production and Valdez’s age were probably bigger factors in his extended free agent stay. He finished the year with a 3.66 ERA across 192 innings. His 23.3% strikeout rate and 8.5% walk percentage were in line with his career marks. It’s a solid strikeout and walk profile, but his game has always been built more around ground-balls. He has a career 62% grounder rate and kept the ball on the ground at a 58.6% clip last season, the third-highest mark among pitchers with 100+ innings.
It’s not the whiff-heavy approach that someone like Dylan Cease brought to the table this offseason, though Valdez’s statistical profile isn’t that dissimilar from that of Max Fried. They’re both ground-ball specialists who sit in the mid-90s with a sinker that leads the profile. Fried commanded an eight-year, $218MM contract last winter. The biggest difference is that came in advance of his age-31 season, while Valdez turned 32 in November.
Although a one-year age gap might not seem like much, teams have been reluctant to make long-term commitments to free agent pitchers at 32. Zack Greinke, Jacob deGrom and Blake Snell are the only pitchers that age or older to command five-plus years since 2011. They’d all had at least one Cy Young on their résumés by that point. Valdez’s inconsistent finish essentially took a six-year contract off the table. MLBTR predicted a five-year, $150MM deal at the beginning of the offseason. That he remained unsigned into February made it increasingly apparent that a five-year contract wasn’t going to be out there.
On the surface, Valdez seems to have done fairly well despite signing a week before the beginning of Spring Training. The deal’s true value can’t really be known until the extent of the deferrals are reported, however. The sticker price comes with a massive $38.33MM average annual value that’d rank 10th all time. The net present value will be reduced to at least some extent by the deferred money.
Regardless of the contract breakdown, this easily goes down as Scott Harris’ boldest free agent move in his four years running baseball operations. It’s Detroit’s first nine-figure investment since the ill-fated Javier Baez deal, which was signed under former GM Al Avila. The Harris front office hadn’t gone beyond $35MM on a free agent. That was their two-year contract to re-sign Flaherty almost exactly a year ago. There are some parallels with Valdez in terms of waiting out the market to get a high-end starter for short term, but this is obviously a much more significant investment.
The Tigers ran a $188MM competitive balance tax payroll last season. They’re going to top that this year, though the extent isn’t clear. RosterResource currently estimates their CBT number around $237MM while penciling in the midpoint of the arbitration filing figures as a placeholder for Skubal. The arbitrators don’t have that luxury, meaning that CBT estimate will change by $6.5MM in one direction or another. It’s also using the base $38.33MM annual value for Valdez, which overshoots the actual number to an unknown extent until the deferral breakdown comes out.
Detroit also forfeits draft capital because Valdez rejected a qualifying offer from the Astros. They’re a revenue sharing recipient so it’s the lowest penalty, their third-highest pick in the 2026 draft. That’s currently slated to be their Competitive Balance Round B selection, which is 69th overall. The Tigers could look to trade that pick — Competitive Balance selections are the only ones that can be traded — rather than losing it as the compensatory pick. They’d then forfeit their third-round selection (#98 overall), but another team might be more willing to give up something of value for the higher draft choice and accompanying slot value that makes it worthwhile for Detroit to lose the third-rounder.
Houston never had any interest in meeting Valdez’s asking price. As luxury tax payors, they receive a compensation pick after the fourth round. That’ll land around 133rd overall. Houston traded for Mike Burrows and signed Tatsuya Imai and Ryan Weiss to backfill the rotation depth, even if they’re unlikely to replace the ceiling that Valdez brought.
The Blue Jays, Orioles and Pirates were recently linked to Valdez. ESPN’s Jesse Rogers reports that the Twins surprisingly jumped in the mix as well. He was probably a unique target for a Toronto club that already runs six deep in the rotation. Baltimore could pivot to a mid-tier starter like Zac Gallen (the last unsigned player who declined a QO), Chris Bassitt or Lucas Giolito. A mid-rotation arm is also possible for Pittsburgh. At the very least, the Bucs figure to add a fifth starter for a few million dollars. Minnesota has a solid rotation but reportedly kicked the tires on a Freddy Peralta trade as well, seemingly staying on the periphery of the market for a potential impact arm.
Jeff Passan of ESPN reported the three-year, $115MM agreement with the opt-out after year two. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic was first on the presence of deferrals. Jon Heyman of The New York Post had the $20MM bonus.
Image courtesy of Dale Zanine, Imagn Images.


Does this mean they won the Skubal hearing?
Or does it mean they’re gonna trade him? Lol
Definitely
They’re not trading Skubal.
What does “Lol” mean? It shows it’s sarcasm.
/s shows sarcasm
But it kinda makes sense to trade him now if he wants to maximize his value and get 400+ million dollar contract. Will the tigers give that to him? Genuinely curious about that cause if not why keep him when the tigers could trade him get probably a #3 pitcher back plus a few really good prospects. Is a cy young frontrunner on a ok team worth what he’s gonna make vs the tigers payroll limitations vs what his value currently is on the trade market. Personally I’d trade him in a heartbeat for the right package but im also not a MLB GM
LOL means, I’m a teenybopper.
Certainly grown men should not try to be a lol’r, it’s so 5 years ago…
If you don’t really know,
Laugh out loud.
100% sure they are trading him now, simply because Skubal will be highly agitated that the Tigers were willing to give Framber $38 million a year for three years and yet declined to give him $31 for one.
They have a chance at making the playoffs, why would they trade him.
Trade to who?
Teens don’t use LOL, they use emojis.
Where are all the Tiger fans saying fire Harris? They must be at the Movies watching Melania.
@gbs
Why wouldn’t they, depending on what they might get in return? They likely couldn’t find someone as good as Skubal but in terms of wins, they might get a package that could make an impact in 2026.
Could mean they lost and decided to pivot: sign Framber, deal Skubal for a haul, sign another starter like Giolito/Bassitt/Verlander.
@astro71 Often people use lol excessively as if it’s a period at the end of a comment.
Unless it’s very informal shorthand with someone familiar, it often can undercut the sender’s message.
No universal sarcasm, but s/ works as another commented.
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Ghost Rose
Go Stro’s
My emoji game is beyond teens..
What does YAFR mean?
All the the ones down in Whoville, including Cindy Lou, who was no more than two.
Nah, in deep to the third jug of Popov since Friday.
“someone as good as Skubal”
I hate Superbowl week, why aren’t the gambling companies getting clowns like this away from the internet.
Yeah, right. Been a Tigers fan long?
@gbs This in no way makes trading Skubal a certainty, however it does make it a bit more likely. Id say it definitely decreases chances of signing him longterm.
That said I hope he stays and they make a run this season. That is of course so long as they do not do so at the expense of turning down an insane offer.
Hiflew
Skubal will pitch his heart out for Tigers in 2026 if they keep him because he has $400 million on the line.
Tigers were never going to extend Skubal.
I think 51-49 they keep Skubal, hope so, because the Dodgers are in the best position to offer Sheehan, Stone, Ryan and Ferris – no other team not even Mets could offer that much for a one year rental.
Cubs could sent Hoerner or Shaw plus Taillon and Wiggins. Red Sox could send Duran Tolle and Early. But neither Red Sox nor Cubs would do that.
They missed the chance of realisticlly extending him some time ago. Probably in early 2024. When he really broke out in early 2024 the risk/reward of testing free agency was exponentially shifting in his favor.
With Skubal’s history he is going to cash in and I cant blame him. This is a player offered nothing scholarship wise at first and almost could not play in college. The shoe is now on other foot and he has earned the leverage hes created.
Blue Jays must of hit the snooze button with Framber? Definitely a big mistake by them.
Skubal might leave in free agency for nothing but it’s still worth it for the tigers to go all in and try to win a World series this year. Skubal has one year left there not going to trade him and get someone that is anywhere close to being as good as him. This is the best chance the tigers have had to go for the world series since miggy,verlander and mad max were there so it’d be dumb to make the team worse for a return that won’t be that good.
@Judge It is a bit surprising they did not pursue a bit harder. They have quite a bit of $ coming off books after 2026. So I dont see them having been reluctant to pursue multi yr deal.
Id have to assume tho teams have an idea and project into future free agency eyeing expectations for balance of roster, revenue, luxury tax, etc. The cost of Valdez obviously exceeded some or all of those to varying degrees. Id have to guess they would rather earmark that $ in hopes of keeping Gausman.
@JD Without knowing what is currently being offered we cant say the return wont be that good.
Yes this signing makes Tigers more competitive, so contending in 2026 is even more a factor which is the opportunity cost of a trade. So that cost has now increased in any Skubal trade. The team still has ability to trade him til the deadline so trading him now is in no way a necessity.
All and all it seems very unlikely Skubal traded prior to the deadline. To outweigh the benefit of time a team would have to increase offer to the point it seems would be very unrealistic.
wanna bet?
While the Tigers could roll the dice, I see Skubal now being dealt. Ownership has never shown the willingness to spend like this since Mike I passed away.
Agree. The comp pick should be the 1st one after the 1st round, so the Tigers should get a good pick with it – basically what they chose McGonigle with.
@Dewey You might want to look at their annual payroll.they continued spending seasons after Mr I passed. They then once rebuild started to show some traction signed Baez, picked up Cahna, and ERod. They then stumbled a bit and again referred and spent a bit. Last season tried to spend even more making a multi yr offer to Bregman.
They actually were profitable all but one season under Mr I. They have spent under Chris Illitch, they just have used a more targeted approach. The tried to sign best 3B last offseason, and aside from that the only possible need not addressed was an extra OF bat.
I’ve always been a fan of the classic “lulz”, or for nostalgia purposes, “roflcopter”. *memories*
Its a week to spring training. If the Tigers were looking to trade Skubal, it would have already happened. The Tigers are.not looking to rebuild. They would want back players that could help their team win now. That means players from the 26 man roster. Teams won’t do that this close to the start of the season. If Detroit is out of contention at the deadline, then they might consider a more prospect heavy offer. With this acquisition, however, they are more likely to be buyers.
100% sure that they’re not trading Skubal, the Tigers are actually trying to take advantage of their current window. Skubal and Valdez will make a helluva one-two punch.
I think everyone like age 30 or under uses these things like emojis. And I am younger than age 30.
Be nice to your elders.b
The only payroll limitation is the Chris Illitch being cheap. The Tigers are owned by billionaires.
Lol
I think if they won, they make a run this year- if they lose he may be on the block with a longer window as a 80-85 win team with Valdez leading the rotation.
The question really is what the excess value really is. On Skubal at 32m for 1 year, i cannot imagine it being over 20m (on the open market is anyone giving him over 50m on a 1 year deal) and 20m in excess value is a prospect in the 25-50 in baseball range. That is not going to make it happen. Maybe the pirates want to go all in and deal Keller (with those years of a little below market) and several mid tier prospects, but is that enough to keep the tigers fans from revolting over a skubal deal
Big daddy skubal is getting his 19 million and will be back in a tiger uniform. You don’t overpay for framber not to compete.
It means laugh out loud not sarcasm….
Lol your age is showing if you think teens use it
I dont see the trade happening at this point. Skubal is a Boras guy. You’d have to give the tigers a kings ransom to get him(and rightly so) to then have to enter a massive $ bidding war next year. Its fine as an all in for 2026, but teams who were willing to do that would have done it by now. If youre willing to give him 400+ next year, just do that then, save the farm in the meantime
Bigdaddy – The Red Sox were in the same situation with Mookie Betts. ‘Fans’ have complained ever since, but it is the best to do if you are not going to be able to meet their demands!
The smart move would be to trade Skubal for a truckload of young major league and major league ready,cost controlled talent to compete now and for the forseeable future.
With who?
No one is going to empty out the top of their farm system for a single year of Tarik Skubal.
@stymeed Im pretty sure Tigers have a plan both for 2026 and going forward. Id guess Framber was signed with an eye on both. That said, he increases chances of Tigers contending in 2026 as does Skubal.
As for trading Skubal, that does not signify rebuilding. Hes likely seeking upwards towards $400M, the Tigers know more on this than we do. If the right offer comes now they ll take it. With them having benefit of waiting til trade deadline I dont see anyone offering something that accounts for that luxury, but off chance they do Im pretty sure Tigers are going to take it.
Basically the reality is Framber is the precursor to a post Skubal Tigers. That could b now, deadline or next offseason. There are other variables that dictate when and if that time comes. Nothing is guaranteed, but it doesn’t seem likely this pushes Tigers towards trading him now. If anything this has increased their asking price for him as the opportunity cost on 2026 has increased.
@kid Yu do realize you posted this comment on an article about them signing the top remaining SP to a multi yr deal. The words “tone deaf” ring heavy here…
@James Skubal is absolutely going to get well over $20M AAV in free agency. That is not even a question right now unless he has his arm amputated.
@Jackson Skubal very well might get more. This is not just Tigers vs Skubal tho as many view it. The ruling in this arbitration will set a new precedent for arbitration cases to come.
You’re just speculating. Is Skubal on your therapist’s couch telling you his feelings? Stop.
@SportsFan Tigers will still have that option at deadline. Anyone trading for him will be doing so to aquire a rental in hopes of winning in 2026. That motivation could be more clear for some at deadline. It also could knock out a couple suitors as they faltered out of the gate.
Regardless Tigers have a price and it comes down to if someone else is going to meet it. The notion that anyone is untradeable in a teams eye is absolutely untrue. Everything has a price, whether someone will pay that price is the real question.
There’s been a report that the Mets decided not to do that, the ask was exhorbitant. They’re not going to trade McLean, Tong, or Benge.
My grandaughter and her friends will have entire conversations without ever using a letter. Just emojis.
Who says they aren’t trading Skubal?
Who says so you?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 🙄
The b was on accident. I think I typed that as I was posting the comment.
Why would they trade him after paying almost $40 million avv for Valdez unless they are getting an absolute haul from the Dodgers. My guess here is if Tigers win their case he is not going anywhere at least until trade deadline so either way Dodgers will get him for the stretch run to win their 3rd straight title.
Okay devils advocate, do you think the dodgers trade one of their rotation guys not named Yamamoto or Ohtani plus 2 of their top prospects right now who says no?
I think the Dodgers say sure. Roki or Sheehan? I think they would then immediately extend Skubal to $500M or something ungodly. Like the Glasnow deal.
I hope they don’t trade Roki though.
I think LA would offer Sheehan, Stone or Ryan and Hope for 1 season of Skubal. If that was offered Detroit would be stupid if they rejected.
Even for just this year, if that should be the way it works out, why can’t the Tigers have nice things? They just strengthened their rotation. They already strengthened their bullpen. No need to tear things down.
About the Skubal trade noise, as a GM, you have to balance potential return now with that at the deadline and measure them against the compensation pick for losing Skubal after a QO …assuming that still applies then, while recognizing the Tigers are plenty good enough to win the division with him.
LA could make an offer that might appeal to Detroit and they would be one of the teams that should. Only because the team that makes that deal has to have a legitimate chance to sign him to a contract/extension to “justify” the cost the Tigers would consider sufficient.
Sheehan would be the only one from the starting squad involved, No way Roki would be dangled.
In any case unless the Tigers fall out of contention, Skubal stays. The. Top three of Tarik, Framber and Jack made over 30 starts last season. That’s good consistency.
I actually think they hold on to him and make a run at it Stymeedone
Bit of drool on what you call a chin, there
In the AL central, watch out for those Twins and Sox
Kind of like you watch for frozen iguanas dropping from trees in Florida?!?!
GONE, it means they’re either trading him (to the Dodgers, I’m sure) during the season or losing him at year-end.
Who says he’s going to the Dodgers, U? I think it’s hilarious that all these Jokers on here, are assuming he’s going to the Dodgers. Skubal will be going to the team that makes the best offer, that’s who.
Yes, it is very likely he is now traded.
If not now, then definitely by the trading deadline. No way the Tigers will pay him anyway. He’s gone.
I would think so.
could be either. could mean they won it and are going “all in” in their opinion. or could mean they lost it, and feel things were said that may harm any chance of playing out the season
While we’re speculating, maybe Skubal lost and will be retiring tomorrow
Win or lose arbitration … doesn’t matter. He will not be a Tiger from 2027 on. Valdez will hopefully be the next Tigers Ace.
He may opt out, but 38 million seems like a stretch. I think he’ll stay in.
Good to see an organization like the Tigers making moves. Nice pick up Tiger fans.
If I’m reading these numbers right, Valdez is going to get $31.67 million AAV (depending on deferrals) plus the $20M upfront. In other words, Skubal’s asking price, more or less.
Interesting…
HALF Skubal’s price
AAV takes into account the signing bonus so the AAV is north of $38 not counting the discount on deferrals.
Which may mean that Skubal will be gone soon.
Wouldn’t it be the opposite? If they lost the case they’d maybe look to trade Skubal and replace him with Framber
the Tigers will be trading Skubal if he wins in arbitration and also if he loses in arbitration.
They already have an idea what the trade market is I don’t think they spend this much on Valdez without a plan to trade Skubal.
I mean why not try and win with both Skubal and Valdez on the roster. It wouldn’t make much sense to sign Valdez if they were going to pivot and trade Skubal essentially throwing in the towel. Worst case scenario, the tigers aren’t in the playoff hunt and Skubal gets traded at the deadline which will still be an amazing package because teams are going to be desperate to add him. If not he gets a Qualifying offer and they just run it back with Valdez. That’s how I see it anyways.
Exactly. Tigers had to make a move like this. They’re liable to lose Skubal, Flaherty and Mize after ’26. You can’t try to fill that many rotation spots in one offseason.
With Valdez & Jobe back for ’27, they’ll only have one hole, which if they don’t bring Mize back, will likely be Melton.
@mariners This os likely a plan going forward without Skubal post 2026. Arbitration is irrelevant here, hes gonna cost $18-30M this season. If he wins in abitration the extra roughly $10M isn’t going to be any deciding factor.
He is still going to have value at trade deadline. This gives Tigers a grace period to assess where they are and act accordingly. Trading him now would be foolish. If they are playing very well and look like legit contenders any extra $ in arbitration will pay itself with increased revenue from Postseason.
@danny Flaherty was a plus addition to rotation in first half of 2024. In 2025 they lost 2 of 3 every 3 games he started. Losing him is quite possibly addition by subtraction.
As for the other 2, I think Mize will be extended in spring. Valdez is likely the replacement for Skubal. So ultimately they are looking at replacing Flaherty which a healthy Jobe does.
I agree Skubal will have value at the deadline. If they are flailing I think he ll be moved. If someone comes in with an amazing offer prior to that I think they’d do ot if its appealing enough. Id guess appealing enough would be something extremely substantial tho.
And they try to go cheap on Skubal. Headscratcher…..
It’s not like they were going to offer Skubal 38 million. He’s going to arbitration not free agency.
@Gone
It likely means Valdez had a heart to heart with the Tigers catchers and they’re good with each other. Maybe promised them all Rolex watches and a pledge not to be such a grinch on bad calls.
He’s gonna cross up Dillon and hit him right in his Dingler.
Ouch!
Tarik and framber..nice 1-2 punch – respect –
Theyre gonna trade Skubal now.
No way.
Way, lol!
No. Way.
He’s gone. You can live near that river in Egypt and say he’s not, but he gone!
@Swing This makes trading him more realistic. However someone still needs to meet cost of acquiring him which is his talent plus the comp pick from QO and now the even higher opportunity cost from 2026. So ultimately this increases his cost in a trade which was already very high.
with what certain teams will be willing to trade for Skubal, the Tigers are gonna get a whole lot more than the draft pick compensation.
Tigers3232: “opportunity cost form 2026”? You mean if the Tigers trade him they won’t have benefit from him contributing to the team this year? Duh. You’re trying very hard to sound profound, sir. Step away from the lectern.
Yes that is it summed up. Sorry didnt realize the word “opportunity” was so profound. I apologize that while summing it up to two words I inadvertently went above your 4th grade reading level…
I think if they are rolling they will keep him and get the draft pick back from the QO. If they are not doing so well they will flip him at the deadline for a haul.
A player can only get 1 QO. Skubal can get you a 1Cth pick.
Smarter move is to get the haul now for the pennant race.
Brian Ca$hman on line 1…
No, they’re not trading him now, win or lose the arbitration case.
@Hank Id say its unlikely hes traded now. Prior to the deadline seems like most likely if for some reason they get off to a really bad start.
However, nobody is truly untradeable and at some point there is an offer that a team cant refuse. Thatcant refuse offer at times might be extremely unrealistic for another team to offer. In this case I dont see someone wooing Tigers to point if moving him right now.
Sorry, the Detroit Tigers aren’t paying $70 million for 2 pitchers in 2026. Not happening.
Valdez is quite obviously the replacement for Skubal.
Definitely not trading Skubal now.
If they win the arb case, he’ll never re-sign with them. They know that. So either the Framber deal is an ‘all in’ move or insurance. Either way, they will shop Skubal and if they’re blown away by an offer, they’ll trade him. Long term, it’s the smart move.
Complete opposite Will happen.
Pray for Dillon Dingler
Haha. Good one.
Framber doesn’t hit starting catchers!
Might give “Dillon dinger” a new meaning!
loved him in boogie nights!
I liked Roller Girl more.
Hban-I still say she’s the only good thing that ever came out of Wisconsin.
That’s my cousin’s Amway upline
The O’s once again pissing down their leg
absolute shambles
And Zach Gallen going back to the diamondbacks🤦
That’s not certain
I think now, over at Camden Yards, the O’s front office is screaming at each other to get Gallen. Get anyone. Get something. Mike Elias and David Rubenstein should feel like Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette in the days before the Bastille.
It’s really not a big deal, bro.
Hahahaha!
Thankfully that’s not how Elias operates.
BAH GOD, THAT’S CHRIS DAVIS’ MUSIC
Pete Alonso enters the chat ….
Elias has completely mismanaged their contention window.
Do you really feel comfortable paying framber over 30 million a year?
Does it matter if they get into the World Series? It’s a good signing and it’s what they had to pay to get him. Detroit looked good last year and this should be a huge help every 5th start going into this season. Credit the management for seizing the opportunity.
Andres gominez makes around 25 — it’s all relative
My point is, The cost of doing business has gone up.
The owner of the Cincinnati reds and their 1.3 billion valuation can go cry in a bag of mallomars
Ps: I hope Detroit signs skubal to a 13 year 600 million dollar contract
The cost keeps going up… I don’t think it’s good for the game or the fans. Securing FV and the timing is on point for Detroit though.
Its likely only a two year deal, but having someone for the rotation for ’27 was important. Mission accomplished.
Yeah, I think that amount of dough IS crazy. But Framber at least has very consistent results and is very reliable health-wise, so he is about as low-risk as they come.
So I’m very happy with this signing.
Yes, I feel comfortable with the Tigers paying Framber more than 30 million a year. Framber was actually expected to get a five year deal. The Tigers got a bargain.
the issue with Frambler is that at no point have i looked at him and said that he looks like an ACE. I look at him and see a #2 pitcher on a decent team…..
An ace on a decent team, and a #2 guy on a World Series threat.
Chicago Tommy. I don’t know about the consistency. Everyone has rough patches, but I think Valdez was brutal after the all-star break. Hopefully for Detroit, that rough patch and the incident with the catcher were related to a temporary hiccup of some kind. If Seattle has to play them again in another playoff,Skubal and Valdez would be a tough obstacle.
The what window?
The O’s have and still do play in AL East. No managing of contention window was going to change that. They still had and have to balance building a team for current and longterm within ownerships budget. I just dont think the expectation of some Os fans has been realistic.
Yes they might have been stingy with prospect capital to date, but its easy to judge from outside. I also understand Os fans frustration, but NYY and BOS were never going to sit by idle. The unfortunate reality is from a competitive standpoint Os are at bit of disadvantage being in AL East.
Probably better than up their leg.
They’ve had a good winter imo
And their rotation could still be outstanding but they could use another starter.
I remember up until about the beginning of last season so many people were defending Elias saying he had this plan and he knows exactly what he’s doing. I always said he was relying way too much on an unproven farm system. So many people just talk to me like I was stupid. Lol.
Yeah, I’d still talk to you and others that way (nothing personal), he’s an outstanding exec.
Dimitri results speak for themselves. Evidently you don’t understand that. Don’t know what world you live in. You say he’s doing an outstanding job. That’s all I need to know about you.
You’re going to have to show your work on that one. He’s one of the worst in the game.
No, his problem is that he won’t give the guys from the farm system a chance, preferring to block the prospects’ paths to playing time with mediocrities like Urias and Mountcastle. See Coby Mayo, who finally started having some success in the bigs last September after having to keep waiting and waiting for an opportunity.
Exactly. Job 1 yet again was a top of the rotation starting pitcher. Failed yet again.
This is tough. Respect to Polar Bear, but the pitching situation is feeling like like year’s pitching situation.
They have Bradish and Rodgers atop their rotation this year, not last year.
Baz will be just fine also, after getting away from Steinbrenner Field.
Dmitri
Rogers isn’t going to pitch like he did last year. He’s not Walter Johnson. I’m hoping he’s a mid rotation guy. Baz has supposed top end of the rotation potential but has only shown bottom half results.
Bradish is coming off a major injury. As is Eflin. As is Wells, their #6. The only sure thing is Kremer, who is the veterans inning eater at the back. He’ll give 160-170 IP of low to mid 4’s ERA.
Yes they’ve raised the floor from last year. No Morton and Sugano. But they’re not far from having to plug Povich. And the ceiling is no higher than last year, arguably lower.
They have the #5 rotation in the AL East.
because they didn’t pay a pitcher nearly $40 million? Nah, the Orioles dodged a bullet.
Agreed, There’s the “cost of doing business” and there’s unacceptable risk. If i’m Elias, I take me chances between now and the trade deadline to assess the situation for my next investment before I pay a 32 year old nearly $40M AAV.
The rotation is seemingly good enough to keep that lineup in games. I’d argue they should be going after another bullpen arm and revisiting the starting pitching needs in July.
If O’s don’t sign a frontline starter like Gallen or someone, then they are cooked.
The Orioles don’t overpay for pitching especially this guy.
Won the arb hearing? Or anticipating a Skub trade? Or just rolling with both no matter what? Hope it’s the last one.
According to The Detroit News, verdict will be announced tomorrow.
Skubal won’t be traded.
You seem pretty sure. How was the hearing?
It will be the last one. Skubal Valdez is a nice 1-2 punch and the rest of the rotation ain’t too shabby, expect them to be competitive in the AL Central.
on what planet do you think the Detroit Tigers are paying $70 million for 2 pitchers?
Earth. What planet do you think they play on?
They’ve clearly decided to go all in and actually try to win the World Series.
Mars?
This is a nice win win. Tigers have another solid starting pitcher to pair with Skubal to keep hold of the division. Then Valdez will still be around next year once Skubal leaves for big money. And the tigers aren’t saddled with a long term ugly contract
It’s nice that Framber has already helped the Tigers make the playoffs without even throwing a pitch.
The Astros went 2-8 in his 10 August-September starts, with him putting up a 6.05 era.
That finish cost them some games with the Astros ending the season with an 87-75 record. The Tigers had the same record and nudged the Astros out of a playoff spot having won the season series 4-2.
If you can’t be optimistic in February, you don’t like ice cream, Sparky might say.
Don’t forget his start against them in 2024! Valdez sucks in the postseason now.
All you have to do is threaten a player that the Pirates are interested and they sign quickly elsewhere. Nice work, Pittsburgh!
I think it’s great that Tigers fans are puffing out their chests these days. After being a doormat for so many years, gee, maybe us Pirates fans can do the same in 2040 or so
2972, the millennial anniversary of Clemente’s death.
That is a long time from now.
Pirates have just been good at IDing when a player is willing to lower their ask. The pirates stepping in is great since it just means the price tag went down and someone else is likely to step up at the lower price.
Frosted Lemon and that sucks. I hated the Pirates as a kid because they were so good and cool. I miss the days when those badass black and yellow unis were a portent of misery for their opponents. MLB is better when the Pirates are relevant. Now that I’m older and wiser,
they’re my NL team.
im sure the Pirates were a close runner up
So were the Rockies.
Yikes those two monsters pitching
Great pickup! A 3 year deal for Valdez like this is crazy AAV. Good for the Tigers to step up. I really like this because it also bridges the gap. Good luck there, and hopefully you don’t plunk Dillon!
My central picks changed in a second. It’s Detroit now.
Where did they get that money from?
Clearly by not paying Skubal the 32MM that he filed at.
$32 million is peanuts for Skubal. Whomever lands him in 2028 ( 2027 season will be lost) is going to have to pony up minimum $50 million avv for Skubal over 7/8 yrs. Skenes is going to shatter the record once he a FA after 2029 season that will see him get 9/10 yrs at $60+ million avv
Nobody will pay a real pitcher that. 1 pitch can take them out for 2 seasons.
Love Chet Lemon but smack yourself in the head
Of course they will.
We’ll see. Skenes might get close, but pitchers reach free agency too late to earn 50/60 million a year. Especially with Tarik’s injury history.
I think Skubal will like a 8 year deal with club options. Worth like 600=700 million.
if he wants north of 50m per, he is going to need a series of short years to do so. I could see someone going 4/250m in the first deal, and if he is still elite at the end of that time he may get another similar deal, but over 35 no one is going that high on anything more than a 2 year deal (and if you are playing that game, a 1 year deal will maximize better)
Can’t tell you the last time I spent 115 million. Several lifetimes ago.
I want 115 million. I’m not even sure if my wallet has $115.
But you might have the equivalent of $115 future deferred dollars? I heard that’s all that matters these days.
Valdez is earning more than $115.
Or your net worth
Helluva move
Lmao think they’ll extend Skubal after this ??
Uh, no.
I didn’t think they would extend Skubal before this. Any offer taking him past age 36 is an albatross. Valdez was signed thru age 35. No team was willing to go to 37-38, and he has a clean health history. Skubal is an amazing talent but the moment he hired Boras, and joined the negotiating team for the players union, he was gone.
Mookie was in a similar boat- big name agent, pro union, ect. and he signed the extension vs. pushing to FA as he had reported…. but to be fair to mookie, his extension was likely more impactful than if he set a new high water mark since it was the first big money deal post COVID- so was the marker that baseball was back as business as usual for player salary.
I hate i cannot afford to go to games anymore- but i am pro union- they should push management to pay them.
I think Skubal getting traded with this timing…
Doubt it. They’ll ride him until the deadline and decide how the year is going.
Agree 100% since $32 million is even a bargain on a 1 yr deal. Only way they trade Skubal is they fleece the Dodgers for a massive pkg plus under NO circumstance does Boras allow Skubal to sign an extension unless it’s a monster contract with NO deferrals!
Antny, are you a first time caller, long time listener?
Am
“unless it’s a monster contract with NO deferrals!”
Tell me you don’t understand deferrals without telling me
Not. A. Chance.
Why in the world would they trade Skubal? Framber just increased their chances of going deep in the PS. Trading Skubal would reduce those chances greatly. What would be the point?
Replacing him with an ace and loading up on more talent before he leaves for free agency. Still don’t think the tigers have anything close to a serious contender with their lineup. Valdez allows them to compete while getting experience for their young bats.
The Tigers aren’t getting an ace for him. No team in win now mode is trading an ace (plus more) for Skubal. No team, that isn’t in win now mode, is going to trade anything for a 1 year rental.
The Tigers were 12 games over .500 last season and a WC team. They aren’t paying Framber what they are just to remain somewhat competitive while trading away the best pitcher in baseball.
They’re a very serious contender in the AL Central.
they’re the Detroit Tigers. Aint no way they’re paying $70 million in 2026 for 2 pitchers!
The writing is on the wall. They know what teams will pay for Skubal. He’s not a typical one-year rental. For the right team, he might bring them a championship.
:He’s not a typical one-year rental.:
Agreed, but there’s no good fit. The Tigers aren’t signing Framber and paying that much, to not be competitive in 2026, They won’t want prospects. Which win now team is trading someone good, that the Tigers would want, off their roster for 1 year of Skubal?
Tigers will do the same thing every other central division team does. See how it’s going until the trade deadline then sell or soft buy
That team is Detroit. Plus they don’t have to give up anything to get him. He’s Harris’ dream, a one year contract.
I certainly hooendormTigers dans’ sake they keep Skubal and ride out that 1-2 punch this season. But how do you think Skubal will feel about the Tigers offering what they did in arbitration and then seeing them hand Valdez $38 million a year? There was speculation of Skubal for Roki Sasaki.
*I certainly hope for Tigers fans’ sake* 😔😂
and all the fans in Essex county!
Damn spell check! 😄
You certainly what ?
Poor Tigers dans’
Did you just “speculate” that?
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Arb salaries, and FA salaries are 2 completely different things. Comparing them is apples and oranges. Skubal is aware of that, and will do far better in free-agency than Framber did.
The Tigers offered a record amount for a pitcher going thru arbitration. Seems like the team meant no disrespect.
You have no clue
Who cares how he feels about Framber’s contract? He’s still going to go out there and have the best walk year he can.
for some other team.
Outstanding signing Detroit! Well done!
Detroit finally spending!
You won’t pay skubal but you’ll pay this jabroni. Ok
Skubal is going to be the first $400M pitcher. This signing is for this year and the next two.
The first $400M pitcher, but not with the Tigers.
Skenes going to be the next $550 million pitcher in 2029 entering his age 28 season! He will shatter Skubal record.
There’s a very real chance that Skenes gets hurt before 2029.
wow not showing ohtani love.. He is a pitcher too,
Ya this doesn’t make sense to me either. Skubal for 8/$400m has to be better than Valdez at 3/$115m..
The only way this is better is if they think Skubal is a max effort injury risk but even then it might not be better.
For the hundredth time, Skubal ain’t signing no extension. Ok?
Guess the Orioles plan on using Alonso as their ace
I heard he was working on a sweeper.
again…
BAH GOD, THAT’S CHRIS DAVIS’ MUSIC!
Once was too many times.
there was only ONE team willing to overpay Framber Valdez.
Nice work Tigers. In a post Tucker and Bichette contract world to make this happen for optimal term……nice work.
True, but Framber was Johnny Cueto level toxic, I think it’s a good gamble.
Skubal arb was today I would guess he is traded by mondsy as return was likely based upon arbitration result
Nope.
?
Passan says neither side knows Arb ruling yet. So, no, if you believe that
Many flimsy Morosi types out there—Passan ain’t one of em.
Why the hell is an Arb happening in February? Tigers reeeeally must have done everything to delay this.
February is when the arbitration hearings occur every single year.
So you’re new to baseball?
Can somebody ask gbs to explain himself ?? (He blocked me.) He keeps saying they won’t trade Skubal but doesn’t offer any reasoning.
@gbs42 please explain yourself why don’t you think Detroit will trade Skubal
Not him, but it’s because all these know-it-alls on here keep endlessly repeating that Skubal will be traded in some knee-jerk reaction by Detroit if he wins the case. This makes no sense at all for a contending team. If he’s traded at all it will be at the deadline because the Tigers are out of it.
no, Skubal will be traded whether he wins or loses his case. The Tigers will obviously get a bit better haul if he loses. the case…
On the bright side, at least us Rangers don’t have to face him anymore more than usual.
Same with Mariners.
Brown doesn’t have the same type of success against Seattle. The Texas offense just sucked this year. I remember when Brown tossed 6 no hit innings and then Arozerana hit a grand slam and then Bryan Abreu blew the save. It was bad.
Rangers offense will suck more this year.
Lol. Tigers know they are about lose their arb case to Skubal. Probably signed Valdez with the intention of trading Skubal.
Nah
Not happening. If it does it’ll be at the deadline and they’ll be out of it.
Awww yeah!!
Ford Framber Fastballs coming at a catcher near you.
I guess that means that the Pirates aren’t signing him
The Pirates true signings, are the friends we made along the way.
It’s the journey.
and the enthusiastic fat girls
This isn’t to hate on Pittsburgh but if I were a top end free agent I would be wary of signing there too. They haven’t taken winning seriously in a long time. In my mind I wouldn’t be sold that they are committed to winning for the duration of my contract. I think if they go for it again next year after having a winning season their fortunes on the free agent market will be different.
More importantly, they almost certainly didn’t offer 3/115.
Yeah, these guys care most about money. Fans care much more about winning than do players.
Detroit finally showing some effort.
Did anyone see $38 million AAV for Valdez ?
Obviously the deferred money will bring that down a bit in “current money”.
It means Skubal wiil be trade soon…
nope
The Mets have the pieces to trade for skubal
So do the M’s
Mariners wouldn’t like the cost as an AL team.
Mariners definitely have the prospect capital, but there’s no chance in hell they’re adding $32M to the player payroll (or $19M).
How long have you been a Seattle fan?
Tigers’ fan. I’m saying SEA wouldn’t give up Emerson or Montes as the big piece coming to Detroit.
Tigers wouldn’t be looking for prospects. They are not rebuilding.
As long as you!
Nope. They traded two of their best pieces to the Brewers.
Makes no difference. They gave Benge and Tong to offer up. McLean is there too although I wouldn’t even consider moving him if I were the Mets.
Yep, not happening.
Nope!
So it’s World Series or bust for the Tigers? I really would like to see them keep Skubal/Valdez as a 1-2 punch but I also have trouble seeing the Tigers pay Skubal $32 million. I think they should trade him to the Dodgers or Mets and they will get a River Ryan or McLean in return to maintain a 1-2 punch.
Not to the Yankees!
Felicidades Framber!
I’m just surprised at the dollar figure although at this time they haven’t announced if any of it is deferred or not.
As a Jays fan, the only thing I have to say is phew!
…do we check back in with Chris Bassitt’s camp?
@The House That Moseby Built
Fangraphs has the Jays with 6 SP’s, Lauer in the pen as the longman with Teideman and Francis for depth in AAA. They need BP help the most, not another starter.
…we knew this as we watched the Jays hold interest in Valdez, apparently until today,
I will concede, though, ‘apples and oranges.’
Yeah, me too
Let’s see where they trade skubal to? Toronto? Yankees? Mets?
Seattle…if he can’t beat us, join us. Hes a terrific talent.
Mets, because who he can’t beat is Polanco.
God, that was so clutch. He had a nice bounceback year for us in general, but I’ll love him forever for what he did to Skubal in that series.
Hopefully Refsnyder can fill those shoes if we face him again in the PS. 🤞
You have higher hopes for Refsnyder than his Mom does.
Send back Kirby as part of the deal.
Mets
Dodgers. Book it. Either way he’ll be in Dodger blue in 2027 cuz aint nobody going to shell out as much dough as they will. Certainly not John Stanton. God I’d love to be wrong…
There is not going to be a 2027 at this rate of handing out outrageous salaries! Guaranteed!
Just trade for him, but dont sign him. I know you’d give up a haul for him, but maybe we can win a world series?
I could see Skubal dealt to the Padres come the deadline. They love to wheel and deal.
Rays, for a year’s supply of urinal pucks.
roob: They can’t sell him. Those teams do not have the pieces in the minors to get Skubal.
AAV double what the Tigers offered to Skubal in arbitration 🤔.
Arbitration is not free agency…
Yeah, it certainly can poison the FA well, though.
oscar, No it doesn’t. Both are based on completely different factors. One is between a team and its player, based on performance relative to MLB, for 1 year only.
The other is an open marketplace with teams bidding against each other driving up the price, for as many as many as 13-14 years.
Don’t condescend, Flabbio. There are almost countless examples of arbitration not only making the player so permanently hating the org but also hindering future performance. Nobody does their best work in a hostile environment, not Excel jockeys or baseball players.
Welp I was wrong on that folks wouldn’t want to sign him for years with that rotten attitude.
That said…COULD a Skubal deal be imminent I wonder? it would make more sense to me if so.
I think the team wins the hearing, holds Skubal and makes a run at a ring.
Team losing the hearing and trading him to the Dodgers, who immediately extend him, would be more fun though.
I fear the latter is happening. Everyone would lose their minds lol.
Boras says hello and won’t let that happen and it will be ZERO money deferred if they succeed. No way Dodgers paying $908 million for a 2x TJS recipient factoring in 110% hit which will take their combined payroll over $650+ million which includes luxury tax!
I think Detroit loses the arbitration deal with Skubal, hangs on to Skubal for another year and makes a run at a ring.
Omg I think they did something right
With time running out before the start of ST, this AAV and years is what I’d imagined he’d end up getting, as I thought about it yesterday. Except I didn’t imagine he’d forego getting an opt-out after year one. That surprises me. I thought he’d get the two opt-outs.
Strikes me as a very nice set-up for the Tigers. Good on them!
With the $20M bonus if the remaining $95M is evenly distributed he got a very high AAV for those two years.
We’ll see what the deferrals amount to. That’ll mitigate some of the real cost. Tiger fans just have to hope that he does opt-out, two years from now.
opt-outs are insane! The Tigers should have told the agent where to shove that opt-out.
You pay the player $38 million a year, you’re stuck with all the risk of injury and underperformance and he walks away if he has a good year.
Valdez will be walking at age 35 if he had a good year. Tigers will have gotten their moneys worth. Won’t have the risk of that third year at top dollar. Valdez will likely get more total dollars, but less AAV on his next sign.
Nice to see them picking up one of the top free agents. It will be interesting to find out tomorrow what happens with Skubal’s hearing and whether it results in him being traded. if he stays and Flaherty bounces back they will have a monster rotation this year!!!
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Congratulations Pirates! You tried! A big off-season full of trying. Pittsburgh gotta be Central favorites with all that trying.
Put some fries on top of that existential misery.
Valdez signs with Tigers
Dodgers trade for Skubal
2026 season over
Can’t wait for Skubal to sign with dodgers next year for 10/480M with 350M deferred… just wait
Would have to be 10/580 or more with that much deferred.
Extremely possible with the way LA has taken a sledgehammer to MLBs salary model
There won’t be a 2027 season and if there is players cannot negotiate contracts which could be mid summer plus next labor contract most definitely will eliminate deferred contracts or at a minimum count it towards luxury tax penalty making it moot point.
Am
“deferred contracts or at a minimum count it towards luxury tax penalty making it moot point.”
Deferred contacts already do count towards the CBT
You should understand deferrals before you get mad about them
I’ll be curious to know how this compares to what Baltimore was offering.
Less years guaranteed for only slightly higher AAV? The longer he lingered on the market. The more apparent it was becoming he just didn’t want to pitch for Baltimore.
He says without knowing dollar figures of other teams offers. Valdez never seemed like a good fit here and I thought that was a nice puffed up media piece.
The Orioles don’t leak much actual information about their specific targets.
He’s the one pitcher out there who would have upgraded the O’s rotation.. Durable LH and a groundball machine.
Ground ball machine behind a bad infield defense. The O’s haven’t prioritized defense at all. I hope Albernaz fixes that but we also added Polar Bear and Ward. Not exactly 2 guys who stand to make you better defensively. Holliday was awful at 2B and Gunnar’s best position is very likely 3B.
I never liked the Valdez fit. He was just the best of what was left.
Agreed about Ward and Alonso. I do think Holliday with show improvement with a year under his belt at 2nd. This off-season has been a huge disappointment IMO despite spending the $$ for Alonso. Baz is injury prone, Elfin is coming off an injury, and the bullpen is still a mess. Signing Giolito, Bassitt, or Verlander isn’t going to cut it.
We need a lot of things to go right. I really like Baz and think he’s going to pop this year.
This bullpen looks bad to me though. Elias has consistently put one together so I’ll wait and see but it was infinitely stronger on paper opening day last season.
Kittredge would’ve been behind Cano, Dominguez, and probably Soto in the pecking order to start the year. He’s unquestionably the 8th inning guy now. Akin is now your top lefty—paired w/ 35 year old journeyman Enns. Not a lot of certainty down there.
Offseason so far:
Offense – B+. Added Ward and Alonso which helped add power and RH balance. For some reason, still have both Mayo and Mountcastle. And O’Neill, but kinda stuck there.
Bullpen – C-. Elias moved early and I was encouraged, then that stopped. Agree w/ Baltimore_44 that its not as deep as last year but its the lowest area of worry.
Rotation – D. Baz helps the back half. Eflin isn’t a bad injury bounce back flier. All but Kremer have question marks. Top half of the rotation not improved – that was Job 1 and Elias has failed again. This category carries the biggest weight.
Lots of talk going into the offseason and not enough action to back it up. Again. Given other division moves, I have the Orioles on the outside of the WC looking in. Offense will have to carry the day.
I would have added 8-10 wins with Valdez (his impact plus improvement to entire rotation). I suppose they’ll pivot to Gallen maybe (oh dear lord, they may lose a draft pick) but he doesn’t move the needle nearly as much.
They needed an A offseason, we’ve got a C-. Not enough.
I truly don’t think Valdez moves the needle if we play infield defense like we did last year. The team’s defense worries me as much as the pitching issues.
We don’t have a glove like Jeremy Pena fielding at SS. Jackson has to improve significantly defensively. I’m expecting the offense to improve this year & the lineup is much deeper. I think it’s an easy A offensively with the upgrades.
I really don’t think Cowser is going to hit enough to be an upgrade over a very strong defensive CF. Maybe that will be Bradfield at some point.
Thornton – I’m as worried about the bullpen as the rotation. Helsley was mediocre before the trade to the Mets last year and brutal afterward. Cano was awful and Akin couldn’t get LH’s out last year. Kittredge is fine when healthy but other than that there are a lot of holes there. Agree with you on Gallen – hard pass for me. His decline last year was steep. Hope they throw the farm at Minn for Ryan.
Gotta be the bonus
he was asking for way too much money. That ho would pitch wherever they paid him the most.
Which FA aren’t you referring to? Sounds like all of them.
So they paid Valdez $38M+ but they don’t think Skubal is worth $33M???
20 million is signing bonus but yeah, doesn’t make a lot of sense to alienate the guy you had already
You can’t compare arb and FA salaries.
Skubal actually can in his arb case. It’s due to his service time and awards or something to that effect. There was an article on it recently and they spoke about it on foul territory today.
No, you still can’t compare the 2. With arb salaries, it’s between 1 team and 1 player for 1 year. It’s based on performance, but also other factors like similar players with similar service time and performance. That last part eliminates FA salaries being taken into account.
FA salaries are determined by multiple teams bidding against each other, usually for multiple years. The 2 just aren’t comparable.
Looks like he could and did. We can debate semantics all day (well I won’t but you can) in the end all you really had to do was Google it.
Not here to argue anything. Clearly there’s been a shift in the way in how arb panels are seeing things, with a much greater percentage of players winning now than in the past.
But, as a matter of fact, I did Google it, and the information I got is what I posted. No need to be condescending.
Now Skubal to O’s for Mayo, Ruschman, Kremer and Kherstead.
Who says no?
Valdez is a way overpay. Glad O’s let him go bye bye and didn’t pony up the cash.
Dingleberry and Tigers catching prospect don’t make Rutschman a priority. Plus Mayo and Kjerstaad aren’t alluring these days. So not sure if this make sense for the Tigers if I had to guess.
Skub Framber Jobe Melton in 27 is Ridiculous Nasty Heat
So much for Rosenthal’s rumor that the Pirates were the most aggressive bidder on Valdez. Does he ever tell the truth anymore?
He was running a bit behind his click quota so needed to juice it up
Kenny ken ken lost any legitimacy about five years ago, He’s in Bowden and Boob land.
But it was supposed to be Baltimore or Pittsburgh or Toronto. 🤣
They were smart not to pay this price
Unless he magically turns into Jordan Montgomery this appears to be a great signing for the Tigers.
They have the best pitcher in the AL (walk season), beefed up their bullpen this offseason, and have some very intriguing young talent set to debut this season. Could this be their season???
Has Jordan Montgomery signed anywhere? Hmmmmm. That is an Arte type signing.
So the tigers who are in an arbitration dispute with the b2b cy young winner just paid more money to a worse pitcher than they would be paying Tarik if they won.
its an arbitration case, not an arbitration “dispute” so stupid. they’ve only had arbitration in MLB since 1976.
It’s all the same crap buddy who cares
Tarik Skubal made $10MM last year. He had a great season. The Tigers arbitration offer of $19MM in arbitration would be at record levels for a pitcher in arbitration. The team did not low ball him. They did not disrespect him. They offered to pay him as the best under the rules that the union agreed to.
They didn’t even offer him the 11 year old record for pitcher arb salary, they low balled him. Not egregiously, but enough to screw themselves when Tarik went for it all in his filing.
Dammit, the Pirates were so close 😉
DAMN!!!
It’s about friggin’ time…
Team that isn’t going to win, still isn’t going to win. Good chat
and people were saying that the Bluejays overpaid…
They did. One both could be true, two the Jays gave Cease 7yr which is a huge difference, three short term deals are always accompanied by a higher AAV because the length is very favorable for the team, four Valdez is definitely more consistent and a safer bet then Cease and IMO he’s just a better pitcher period. I’d definitely label the Blue Jays an overpay before Detroit, the Tigers at least know they will get solid return on investment for most if not all of the deal, Toronto can not say the same thing.
Yes sir!!!!!!
As a Die Hard Tigers fan I am freaking pumped!!!!!!
Welcome Framber!!!!!
Congrats to you! He seems like a great player and a fantastic pairing with Skubal
You said the same thing when Javier Baez was signed! And Eduardo Rodriguez! And….
Well, enjoy the glow while it lasts!
The greenhouse lights from Leamington never fade.
Great signing for DET, however let’s translate here. This is showing Skubal that this is as much money as they will spend on a front line starter. They will attempt to win this year but they will not be able to sign Skubal and i firmly believe they won’t trade him. Read between the lines Tiger Fans, this is his replacement
This signing just made the Tigers favorites in the Central. Skubal and Valdez is just a filthy 1-2 punch.
Well..Valdez and Hunter Brown didn’t get the Astros into the playoffs, I doubt Kansas City and Cleveland are losing much sleep over this. Is Detroit better? Sure. But there’s a lot of complexity to this if it shoves Melton back to Toledo.
Yeah, and Ohtani couldn’t get the Angels into the playoffs either. Not sure that’s any kind of yardstick.
Missed by one game and were wrecked by injuries.
Wow! Nice move by the Tigers.
Here’s hoping Colt & Parker have career years
Baltimore, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Being financially smart. This is not the guy you pay that much money to
Preparing for another sub-.500 season it seems.
Oh, Indeed
Good reference!
Another guy who got way less years than he was sold by his agent to be expecting.
Big move for Detroit. They have a great 1-2 punch now. Tough to beat in AL Central.
Skubal to dodgers….Sasaki+ coming back.
Why wouldn’t either team do it?
dodgers don’t care….they’ll just re-sign Skubal,or just go and pay some one else next year.
Just curious how insulted Skubal must be feeling right now.
Spectrum Scott it remains until no longer scared to trade.
Maybe Harris signed Skubal to an extension today for 5/300. I think if Framber is worth 38 Skubs is worth 60. Price of terrible Pizza will skyrocket!
Nice signing for the Tigers but nearly 40mil per for a mid 3 ERA guy. Wth! Somethings gotta change
Mil
“Somethings gotta change”
What has to change? And why?
Do you think even 5 or 6 years ago a starter of his caliber (a clear #2 or 3 guy) would have gotten near 30mil yet alone near 40 now?
Skubal is amazing and probably headed towards a 60-70mil a year contract which just shouldnt happen.
We the fans will miss out when there is a long work stoppage. Salary cap or some form of it is badly needed. Works in other leagues
Mil
“which just shouldnt happen.”
Why not?
I know it’s only 2 guaranteed years potentially 3 total but interesting they are willing to give a 32 year old outsider $38M a year but low balled Skubal during extension talks while also negotiating him so hard during the arbitration process? If they tacked on 3 years for the age difference plus another year for the discrepancy in talent we get a 7yr-$265M deal, let’s lower the AAV to a round $35M being after all it is 7yr compared to 3yr, so 7yr-$245M. Wasn’t the last known offer from them after his 2024 season and something like 4yr-$100M? Just very interesting they would come in so low on their own CY Young winner then a year later give a 32yr old that high of an AAV, even if they came close to that 7yr & $35M annual deal after his first CY Young he might have considered staying.
Extension talks are old and Arb numbers are usually capped. If Tarik just gives Detroit a number on an extension to stay with the team that drafted him in the 9th round, I think they would meet it. Or come darn close. He was drafted where he was as a “favor” to Boras.
Keep in mind how fast pitcher salaries have risen. That 4/$100mm wasn’t made today. Also, the $32MM ask is being done within the Limits of the arbitration system. That is NOT what he is asking for in an extension.
Well I definitely don’t fault the Pirates to try to compete with that price…holy overpay. I can’t even imagine what Skenes and Skubal are going to command on the market…
The Pirates and Orioles both deserve to miss the playoffs because of this. The Tigers deserve another shot.
I would say the opposite for neither team throwing that kind of money at a #2/3 starter already in his early 30s
@mariners
Exactly. That kind of money and an opt out for a mid to high 3 ERA
hardly. Framer Valdez is decent but that’s way too much money. and the Tigers were even stupid enough to give him an opt-out after Year 2.
If I was the team I’d tell them where they can shove that opt-out!
You already said this. Almost verbatim.
Oops …I thought the pitching V the Tigers were going to sign was Verlander.
This is much better!!!
Crazy how many people on here don’t realize Framber number can’t be used in direct correlation to what Skubal or Skenes will get. Framber is short term so his AAV is inflated, I’m sure Skenes could sign 3yr-$200M but will be get $66.67M over a 8-10yr deal? Absolutely not. That’s your difference, Skubal was already looking at well over $35M AAV long term, I don’t think Framber deal changes anything or will even be used as an example during his FA negotiations because of the context and the fact he was going to beat that number anyways, same goes for Skenes because his AAV will be even higher.
Agree. Not sure why people are comparing Skubal’s arb salary with Framber’s FA salary. People should be comparing Framber’s arb salary of $18M to whatever Skubal earns this year. And compare what Skubal gets next year to Framber’s 2026 salary. For example, Tucker made $16.5M under arb, and will be paid about $55M as a FA in 2026. Skubal will command much more than Framber.
The way contracts are going, dont be surprised to see Skenes getting a 10 year 650-700mil contract.
I have no idea why people assume Skubal is getting traded. With Framber they have a much improved shot at going deep in the PS. I can’t imagine that a Skubal trade would improve their chances this season. They are a better team with Skubal.
I’d assume the Tigers, after signing Framber, are going for it this season, and would not want prospects. Any team trading for Skubal would be in win now mode, and would want to trade prospects, not an MLB level asset. The Tigers trading Skubal now, just doesn’t make sense to me.
I’m pretty sure it’s more of the desire for the drama rather than anything else.
At this point I think the Tigers wreck any credibility they have with their fanbase if they signed Valdez just to trade Skubal. This looks like a desperate attempt to win it all while they still have Skubal. And yet somehow still feels like a slap in the face to Skubal.
They waited until after the arb hearing to announce the signing as to not influence the arbitrators…or Skubal and Boras.
SA
“I’m pretty sure it’s more of the desire for the drama rather than anything else.”
Dudes LOVE drama!
Uribe, in the offseason of baseball… yes. Yes they do. It’s how baseball writers can keep their jobs by making up random trade proposals and proclaiming them to be rumor.
The Al Central is pretty weak, this gives the tigers a good shot at winning the division. Why we comparing Frambers free agent contract to Skubals arbitration case they are two different situations completely not dependent on each other.
The move could prove to Skubal the Tigers are serious about winning a WS. Slotting Valdez right after Skubal extends the entire pitching staff depth.
Would be great if Parker Meadows bounces back to late 2024 form, and 24-year-old Colt Keith takes the next step at 3B this year.
Yeah that’s the frustrating part. People comparing arbitration salaries to free agent salaries. You’re generally going to be making more in free agency.
Jean- I agree they are probably going all in. They had an opportunity to pick up a #2 on a short term deal and made it happen.
There are a few teams that have surpluses of talent at the MLB level that could make this happen if the Tigers wanted to trade him. Red Sox pitching and outfield. Dodgers pitching and upper level AAA talent. Cubs, Orioles, Toronto.
I agree that there are teams with surplus talent. And the Tigers might be willing to trade Skubal, for 1 or 2 of them if it saved them considerable money, and made the team better in the short run, like within 3 years. It would have to be proven MLB talent.
I just don’t see why the Tigers would sign Framber, then trade away the best pitcher in baseball for salary relief, or for guys that would make the team better farther down the road.
They have a legitimate shot at the WS. The 1-2 punch they have now, is going to be dangerous in the PS. I could see them trading Skubal if they hadn’t signed Framber. Signing one and trading the other makes zero sense to me.
Skubal and Framber together give this team WS hopes beyond just a really lucky post season. True ace pitchers can carry a team in a series.
I highly doubt they trade him unless the team has catastrophic injuries and completely implodes before the deadline.
Would one of Duran or Abreu and Early be worth losing that ace?
Hopefully Detroit is loading up rather than pre-replacing Skubal in preparation of trading him.
Or, conversely, I hope Detroit is pre-replacing Skubal in preparation of trading him to the Orioles.
Why would they trade Skubal to an AL competitor? At this point if he gets traded which I highly doubt will happen it will be to an NL team. Plus I don’t even think the Orioles have the first choice package of prospects that Tigers would want in a Skubal trade.
I’d happily take Gunner to play 3B in Detroit, as a starting point.
The more reason the trade will never go down. Like the Orioles would trade Gunner for one season of Skubal.
Skubal,Framber, Flaherty, and Mize is the 2nd best 1-4 in baseball. (ICU, Dodgers.)
Not Mize
Check the 2nd half stats…
Big deal… The Tigers signed F. Valdez, but they didn’t get IKF! Let’s go Red Sox! Woo hoo!
LOL
The orioles failed for not offering this deal (perfect for them with the player opt out), or he didn’t want to go to Baltimore. So much for the experts’ predictions.
Nice signing. Nice rotation. Skubal was always going to FA to negotiate w/ 30 teams not 1 and he’s going to sign with the highest bidder.
The Orioles were smart not to pay this money, but they are not smart to have waited until February 4th to have figured that out. How does Elias not know weeks ago that Valdez’s asking price is too much? He may know the value of players, but his timing and foresight are horrible. Now, with two weeks before spring training, Elias is once again left to figure out who he can sign or trade for. He does this every year….
He’s done it two times. One of which was the year of the Burnes trade so it worked out.
So last year is the only problem. You contrarian sensationalists are every bit as annoying as the simps. Probably more so.
Yea. And Elias doesn’t have the best trade record either. Let’s be honest, rogers was a flop before he wasn’t. He got real lucky rogers turned it around for a few games
He tried to trade Valdez.
They’re going to lose the arbitration case with Skubal
They’re NOT going to trade Skubal.
They have the best pitching in the AL Central now
I would guess, barring serious injuries, they are 90% lock for the playoffs
If they can average 4.5 runs per game for the season they can win the WS
They might even get Skubal to resign, but not until after the WS.
4-5 runs per game is the problem
All of these claims are believable. The only one I have a hard time believing is Skubal signing with the Tigers. At the very least it’s going to be a bidding war.
warnbeeb
Maybe, maybe not. I think not.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Barring injury, possibly.
Doubtful, they’ll be willing to spend what it will take.
The Tigers made their bed. I believe they are going to ride out the season with Skubal. If they have a bad season they might trade him if they can get a package worth while at the deadline.
Who is going to give them an elite package for Skubal now, knowing he is going to be a one year rental? Boras is taking him to FA. The only 2 teams that seem feasible are the Dodgers and the Mets. Even if they do make a deal I don’t see it being a windfall for the Tigers because everyone knows they have limited leverage.
Even for one year of Skubal the Tigers will get a tremendous package for Skubal. Teams well knowing it will be a rental will make it happen. I think even at the Deadline Skubal will net the Tigers an I incredible return. So many teams are going to be in on him if the Tigers are not in the playoffs. The price will only increase with all the teams that will be inquiring for his services.
Dream on
@goose
Did you not know he was a.Boras client? Did you not know Skubal s on the players union’s negotiating team? This whole off season EVERY team knew he was a one year rental if acquired. He is going to be a FA. This is not something new.
Sets up a great 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation and helps them hedge against Skubal leaving.
Skubal won’t be traded, if at all, before the Trade Deadline now. Tigers can’t make a “vote of confidence” move like this signing only to upend it before it gets battle-tested, especially in their Division.
Left handed pitcher fiesta here in Detroit. On the day that Mickey Lolich passes the Tigers now have 2 of the best LH’d pitchers in baseball on their squad.
Tigers should be the favorites to win the AL Central. Good on them for improving the team. Just ride out Skubal and let him help make a deep playoff run.
Finally a team that wants to win the AL Central!
Having him for this season and next at least covers the Tigers of having a stud at the top of rotation for 27 if there is a season.
This should be jacks last season in Detroit, don’t know what mize deal looks like and as much as I want Skubal back I doubt that ends up being the case.
27 rotation could be Valdez, Olson, jobe, melton and ????.
Rotation and bullpen both look to be very strong. Hopefully we see progression from Keith, tork, meadows in the lineup this summer. Still looking for McGonigle to be in for opening day.
Toothed announcement of the trade Skubal will happen. I’m sure it was sign him first.
Even if Skubal was offered Ohtani money Boras would say no. Testing the market.
He’s an uncompromising agent.
Like the DeNiro character in Goidfellas when he goes and tries to collect from Morty.
How about dealing Flaherty and Montero to the Athletics for a couple prospects? 3B Tommy White and RFer Colby Thomas?
One of the best rotations in the Al is quite a statement unless you mean it literally
Waste of money, he is not worth anything close to 40 million per year
Did the Tigers wait to sign Valdez until after the arbitration hearing so as not to give Skubal a $38.5 million data point to support his request for a $32 million award?
No. Arbitration is based on comparisons to similar player’s performance with similar service time. What a FA gets isn’t a factor that’s considered, regardless of whether it’s the same team.
Because Skubal has over five years of MLB service time, he is legally permitted to use free-agent contract comparisons rather than just standard arbitration comparisons.
It would have looked bad to announce Valdez signing before the hearing. No reason to make it easier for the arbs to go with Skubal’s bid.
The Guardians aren’t ending their WS title drought anytime soon, are they?
Tigers 2014 rotation: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, David Price, Anibal Sanchez, Rick Porcello, and 6th man/spot starter Drew Smyly. The last member of that rotation was traded away in 2017 when Verlander went to Houston.
World Series winners from 2017-2022:
2017 – Astros – Verlander
2018 – Red Sox – Porcello
2019 – Nationals – Scherzer and Sanchez
2020 – Dodgers – Price
2021 – Braves – Smyly
2022 – Astros – Verlander
In 2014 Robbie Ray also made his MLB debut for the Tigers. He won the Cy Young in 2021. Porcello won the Cy Young in 2016 with Boston, Scherzer with Washington in 2017, Verlander with Houston in both 2017 and 2022.
If starting pitching won championships, the Tigers would have won in 2014.
Price didnt play in 2020
@SDMadres. You’re right, I forgot he didn’t actually play that year. Kinda ruins the streak I thought they had. But he did win in 2018 with the Red Sox so the point is still proven.
That rotation was filth
They will sign skubol. Ownership has $6 billion
YellowCleats And they’ll keep those billions.
Skubal to the Dodgers for Sheehan, River Ryan and Quintero. Dodgers extend Skubal at 8 years 440M. I said it first.
…and last.
It seems like if Detroit was gonna extend Skubal they would have done it already. His value at the trade deadline is worse. The arbitration fiasco almost guarantees he is not a Tiger in 2027. The prudent thing would be to maximize the return.
Sheehan is controllable and excellent. River Ryan is pretty darn good but coming off elbow surgery is more of a risk. The Dodgers would only do the deal if they can extend him. With Sheehan the Tigers will be in great shape this year and many to come. Probably not gonna happen but it makes sense
The only reason Skubal is not extended is because of Skubal. Stop. The Tigers have absolutely no say in Skubal’s decision.
Agree. Everyone knows the deal by now with players who have Boras as their agent. An extension was never going to happen even if they offered the moon.
Sure the Tigers would want way more than that package of prospects. Add another two players, I don’t know if they’ll want River Ryan since he’s coming back from surgery.
Low ball offer?!
I’ve had a lot of issues with Scott Harris and not helping this offense, which he still hasn’t done. But this might be a steal and that I appreciate. I think Valdez could be great. Now trade Skubal get younger and a starting position player.
This might be a steal?
You’re paying $38 million a year for a guy who;’s been paid $40 million total for the last five seasons. He’d have to win the Cy Young Award for it to be close to worth $38M!
A Cy Young would be worth at least $60M on a one year contract, probably significantly more. Zack Wheeler is getting $42M/yr even on a 3 year extension signed a couple years ago when the market rate was significantly lower, and he’s no Cy Young and would’ve been paid a lot more if the contract weren’t for his age 35-37 seasons.
See, someone IS trying to win the AL Central…
This is going to be an interest test on the Tigers middle infield.
I was quietly hoping my Tigers would sign Framber even though there was nary a whisper of it before it occurred. We can keep Tarik Skubal and go for it and plug holes in the offense and bullpen at the trade deadline as needed. And if a too-good-to-be-true offer comes for Tarik this spring, then we can still compete with Framber as our #1. Good job Scott Harris.
Hooendorm!
When the Tigers’ offer to Bregman was reported last year, it was known that the ownership was willing to increase the payroll substantially. I didn’t like the off-season so far, but this signing changes my perception.
Valdez secured a lot of money and a surprisingly high AAV (depending on deferrals), but he was the FA the Tigers could heavily invest in and improve their team. They have a very good rotation now, perhaps an even better bullpen if Anderson turns into a good swingman and Melton contributes somehow plus some flexibility with regard to Skubal and/or the inevitable Olson injury.
The pitching may very well be something special, the lineup certainly isn’t. But there is a decent chance the two top prospects arrive in time for the playoffs.
The Tigers might not be top contenders. But they make an honest effort to come close to this tier – finally! My hope has been restored.
Gruß,
BSHH
The stat from Valdez that will help the most: 192 innings pitched. Him and Skubal will keep the pen rested.
Skubal and Valdez almost have the same birthday (a day apart). Meaningless factoid at 2 AM.
Yikes…feels like Jay’s and mystery team drove up that price tag
By doing nothing more than existing, in order for the agency’s media friends to invent a ‘bidding’ war as real as the war in ‘Wag the Dog’.
This is a relative bargain. Way better than 5 years and $150M
Skubal goes to LAD via trade or FA unless they decide they don’t need him because their staff stays healthy.
Lyle Overbay
Hell yeah, the Tigers actually made a big move.
Talk about overpaying and for a low class human.
If they can get deep enough into the playoffs it would pay for one or both Skubal and Framber. For the year that is.
Impressive that the Tigers would bid themselves up to 38.33 million a year in a one-team auction.
Tigers FO: Framber, come to us and we’ll pay you $38M/yr.
Also Tigers FO: Tarik, we don’t think you’re worth even $20M.
Kind of a dumb take. I suspect that Skubal is thrilled that his team went all in and is actually trying to win.
If it was all in, they would’ve gotten Bregman as well.
Tell me how you don’t understand a record arbitration offer for a pitcher, without telling me.
First, it’s $750K short of the record. Second, that was 11 years ago. Third, 2 straight CYA’s. Price had just one. Skubal is better and should be paid more than $19M as salaries have skyrocketed over the last decade. Unless you’re a shill for owners, how can you not think this offer is a lowball insult?
I don’t know why they didn’t top Price’s arb offer. I think they had a much better case that way. Surprised by the W but the Tigers totally botched their bid. You knew what Skubal was going to go to arb for. You could’ve at least set the pitching arb record with your offer. Well never know if a flat $20 would’ve worked. .
Interesting how some of these contracts have moved to high AAV but fewer years. Some of the signing teams seem to be focussed on bringing the guy in, even if it’s an overpay, and if he leaves, great, if he stays, it’s over faster. It probably helps out their CBT planning. No way is Frambler worth this kind of money
Did not see that one coming. But happy the Tigers did it. Now we have one of the better rotations in the game. Definitely serious about winning the ALC and making a deep playoff run. We were never going to match the Dodgers or even the Blue Jays but this gives us a fighting chance in a short series.
Dear Mr. Skubal,
As you can now see, the Tigers are serious about winning. If you want to be a part of that, great. If you’re all about the money, have a nice career. But don’t be sitting around all washed up saying you wish you could have experienced a World Series celebration in Detroit. You make your choices and you live with them. Good luck,
Baseball Fan Forever (BFF)
PS: I’m guessing Mickey Lolich had no regrets.
Maybe the Tiger will shock everyone again. They’ve just showed that they’re serious about winning. And Skubal knows there’s always a chance he could get hurt before free agency. If they offered him 350M, I think he’d take it.
Offer him 500 million.
As much as everyone outside of Detroit is already fixing for Skubal to be in a new uniform in 2027, you are right that Detroit could surprise everyone. But I have to wonder if the trust is broken. Really, 19 million seems crazy especially if you turn around and are preparing to give nearly double that on average a year to a lesser pitcher (No, not saying Valdez is a bad pitcher for whoever interprets me this way, just simply saying he’s not Skubal or Skenes).
The reality is, I doubt Skubal wins arb. Teams tend to win more often than not. Side note, kind crazy the arb chooses between two numbers. Kinda makes more sense if they could split the difference. And I can’t help but believe there will be a lot of resentment there.
If the Tigers DID offer 350 million, I’m not convinced Boras would advise him to take it. The Dodgers were willing to pay almost a 120 million for one year of Kyle Tucker (Yes, that’s not all going to him, but in this game the number seems to matter more than the context). A possible bidding war between LA, both NYs, maybe Boston, maybe Philly, maybe Toronto, and maybe a few other teams… I’m not sure we can actually predict the price tag at this point.
Boras would probably advise against it, but it would be Skubal’s decision. If Skubal has another great season, he could likely get 400M or more in free agency. He could also get hurt. He could have a dissapointing season. There’s something to be said for playing it safe, especially if Detroit makes a reasonably competitive offer of 350M.
Possible that the Tigers are doubling down on the possibility of losing Skubal and want to stay relevant after he leaves.
Well said Whyhazee. If he wants to be part of the team and Tigers lore then he has to show it with his contract decision. I have no doubt that he can get his big contract in Detroit but he needs to remember that they need enough money to field a whole team around him. All the other young core pieces will start being more costly in the next few years too, and we see what free agents to supplement the roster cost with this signing. Having a prospect pipeline to fill holes won’t solve everything.
I hope he signs but if that isn’t the case go find the best deal for him now. Bulk prospect deals are useless to this team if they want to compete this year. LA has the right mix of arms to offer now, and a package fronted by a pitcher in the mold of Horton or Kirby would help now and in the future. Both sides could add as needed to fill it out. Adding Valdez changes the whole dynamic and allows them to be competitive this year if they get back the right players.
I’m not going to go into the whole money is respect thing and the whole millionaires v. billionaires. But I will wonder if Skubal may also have the pressure on him to maximize his contract.
Back a long time ago now when CC Sabathia was up for FA there was a rumor going around that he really loved pitching in Milwaukee and wanted to stay there to a point where he might have been willing to sign for a discount. But supposedly he was getting pressure from MLBPA to sign the maximum deal, set a new precedent. True story or not, it does at least sound true. Skubal might also feel he has no choice.
There is some truth to that, but not always. Otherwise, it would simply be an auction. Some players do prioritize certain things along with maximum money. Even Boras has to recognize that or he will lose clients.
Skubal has had zero say in where he’s played so far during his professional career, and he has earned the right to go wherever he chooses.
The concept of a hometown discount for any player is absurd. Their first team is almost never their hometown team, and that franchise already got a huge discount on his services for 6-7 years.
They certainly solidified their pitching to a degree but I worry about the offense. They made no significant additions and the inability to score was what killed them last season. Counting on McGonigle or Clark to contribute in 2026 is a long shot and I don’t think they would even move the needle that much. Getting Valdez is definitely a decent cover for when/if Skubal leaves but I don’t think it’s enough to make him want to stay, unfortunately.
His market really collapsed. Apparently Elias didn’t want him as much as ever thought because he clearly could have done this deal.
I don’t think you can lose a Competitive Balance Round pick.
The Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Astros, Padres, Blue Jays, Braves, Cubs, Giants, and in the article, Tigers, have a luxury tax payroll of over 200 mil.ion. The Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, Phillies, and Blue Jays spend too much.
More importantly than the money, he is still allowed to have a mop for hair.
If skubal wins arbitration they trade him for a big haul, this signing is cover for the blowback fans will have after the trade
They won’t trade him, regardless of who wins the arbitration case. Skubal stays in Detroit at least until the trade deadline, and probably for the entire season.
Smart move would be to trade Skubal for a truckloadc of young talent.
Tigers fans aren’t going to be any less pissed off because they brought in a pitcher with an era pushing 4 last season.
Tiger fans (including myself) are thrilled with the Valdez signing.
Didn’t expect Tigers to take a chance on him still being a good SP after his bad end to 2025 and the accusation he purposely tried to hurt his own catcher with one pitch.
I’ve been critical of Harris up to now for doing little/nothing in the offseason, and I still think he could’ve done MORE, but THIS is a GREAT addition,….just what the team needed…..REGARDLESS of whether we keep Skubal or not, which I believe we will. Hoping a nice run in ’26 will make him homesick for ‘The D’!! GO TIGERS!
Well, someone is prepared for the Skubal hearing.
Well, it’s better late than never, Motorcitykitties !
Redsox will ink and extend Skubal my guess is in FA 26/7 and not at the deadline 26. $38.33MM for F.Valdez and 20mill to sign…that’s nuts. The IKF deal is fine but rather they’d have given Christian Arroyo a full time 2b/Inf UT role after a low level trade with the Mets. He was a former First round pick. .314 in 50 games AAA in 25, solid D i just don’t get why he at 30 is not starting somewhere in MLB!?
I see the Tigers, wisely, signed Tarik Skubal’s rotation replacement.
The Tigers are getting ready to trade Tarik Skubal before
The 2026 season begins.
Tigers can get at least 2 young major league/major ready starters + at least 2 young hitters/position players for Tarik Skubal.
It may be a 5 for 1 or 6 for 2 deal.
6-8 teams will join the bidding.
From the Dodgers:
RHSP Sheehan, LHSP Ferris, OF Hope, OF Pages, INF Freeland, P Sasaki
The Tigers have been down this road before in 2014 with Max Scherzer The Lesson: The 2014 Tigers didn’t trade Max Scherzer, a Cy Young winner (Boras client) but instead opted to keep him. Resulted in a single playoff series loss and a draft pick when Scherzer walked away at season’s end. By signing Valdez, the 2026 Tigers have already signaled they aren’t even making the “substantial offer” that Scherzer got.
Guess I was wrong on the short-term, opt-out deal.
A little late to be saying this, but the Tigers will a glove-first guy at 3B and a whole lot more consistency from Baez/McKinstry at SS to make this work. Otherwise, they’re courting disaster.
McGonigle should be with Detroit by the end of May, I expect him to take over shortstop. Also, the Tigers have other infielder prospects who could potentially help out in 2026.
Good to see the cheating kind back in the fold and reunited again. Detroit: think you’ve got the wind at your backs with this acquisition?? Think again. One can only hope Skubal keeps your feet to the fire now. If you can afford one but not the other it’ll surely be many more who will be scratching their heads if the arb goes awry.
I’m not a tiger fan. Some of them won’t let themselves be happy with this signing. It’s pretty funny to see how many commenters are 100% certain that the Valdez signing is but a mere prelude to trading Skubal..Others think the Tigers are making a bid to go for it this season…crazy idea, huh (sarcasm)? Seems like the Tiger fans who hate management most vehemently think Skubal is on the exit ramp.
Is Framber the one that has the funky wind up
Like he’s rocking a baby?