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Ted Lilly

2007 MLB Free Agents: Ted Lilly

By Tim Dierkes | October 30, 2006 at 9:05pm CDT

Today let’s take a closer look at free agent southpaw Ted Lilly.

Lilly made $4MM this year, failing to hit any of his innings pitched incentives.  He’ll turn 31 in January and should be able to snag a three-year contract without a problem.  2006 was not his best season despite the career high 15 wins; Lilly’s 2004 effort was better and included an All-Star appearance.  He’s said publicly that he’d like to return to the Bay Area to play with the Giants or again with the A’s.  The Jays have some interest in retaining him at the right price.

Performance-wise you’re getting a strikeout pitcher who’s tough to hit and battle-tested in the AL East.  He’s a flyball pitcher and is prone to worse than average HRs allowed.  His control’s a problem too, as Lilly walks about four batters per nine innings.   After his fastball, Lilly mixes in an equal number of curves, sliders, and changeups.  He’s tougher on lefties but not terribly so.

Some past history on Theodore Roosevelt Lilly:

1998:
July: Traded from Dodgers to Expos in deadline deal for Mark Grudzielanek and Carlos Perez.
Tossed 213.2 innings, including winter ball.

1999:
March: Couldn’t quite crack the Expo rotation.
May: Called up for a few weeks.
June/July: MRI on left shoulder shows no significant damage.
September: Called up again.
October: Shoulder surgery.

2000:
March: Traded to Yanks along with Jake Westbrook in Hideki Irabu deal.
Pitched mostly at Triple A as a 24 year-old.

2001:
April: Called up, whiffs 10 Red Sox. Remains in rotation.
August: Suspended for nailing Scott Spiezio with a pitch.  Sent back to minors.
September: Called up, using his last option.

2002:
April: Makes team as a reliever/spot starter.  Remains in rotation after injuries to starters.
Summer: Shuttles between starting and relief with Pettitte and El Duque injuries.
July: Traded to A’s in 3-team deal involving Jeff Weaver and Carlos Pena. Enters Oakland rotation. Hits DL later that month with inflamed left shoulder.
September: Returns from DL/rehab.

2003:
March: Reworks mechanics to take strain off shoulder.
July: With Lilly struggling in rotation, a trade rumor involving Kelvim Escobar surfaces. He stays put.
September: Misses start with back spasms.
November: Traded to Toronto for Bobby Kielty.

2004:
January: Signs two-year deal.
February: Reports to camp with sore wrist but remains healthy thereafter.

2005:
February: Misses time with left shoulder tendinitis.
April: Begins season on DL but makes April starts.
May: Pitching coach Brad Arnsberg discusses Lilly’s perceived lack of intensity.
July: Biceps tendinitis sends him to the DL again.
September: Comes off DL.  Experiences shoulder blade discomfort.

2006:
January: Signs one-year, $4MM deal.
March: Makes change in follow-through. Later in month, experiences minor right shoulder injury.
April: Makes first start despite back/shoulder issues.
June: Leaves start with shoulder tightness.
August: Misses start with stiff neck. Later in month, has heated argument with manager John Gibbons after being pulled from awful start.  Gibbons gets bloody nose.
October: Lilly files for free agency.

Well, that injury history definitely rules out Baltimore.  Whoever signs Lilly is really going to have to take a long look at that left shoulder; he’s yet to throw 200 innings in the Majors.

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Lilly Wants To Be A Giant

By Tim Dierkes | May 11, 2006 at 12:20pm CDT

Ted Lilly was forthcoming yesterday with his desire: he’d like to play in the Bay Area for either the Giants or A’s.  Lilly mentioned that he was looking at the Giants’ rotation and doesn’t know whether they would have an opening.  I think we can reasonably answer his question.

Matt Morris, Noah Lowry, and Matt Cain form the foundation of the rotation.

Still, the Giants definitely will have a need for a starter.  Jason Schmidt is a free agent after this season.  If his first 52 innings are any indication, he’s going to have a huge price tag.  San Francisco may have to deal him midseason; I know Boston has expressed some interest.

Then there’s Brad Hennessey and Jamey Wright, a couple of guys with journeyman written all over them.  One of them might make a tolerable fifth but I wouldn’t bet on it.  Plus, the whole Matt Morris idea ain’t lookin’ so good right now.  The Giants have a few decent arms down at Double A, but their rotation has holes.

I don’t see the A’s re-signing Lilly, but they didn’t seem to have a big need for Esteban Loaiza either.  Stranger things have happened.

The fact that Lilly has yet to fully realize his promise won’t stop clubs from bidding on the free agent.  The southpaw seemed on the verge of a breakout after making 31 starts for the 2003 A’s.  He had a healthy strikeout rate and kept the walks at a reasonable level.  However, the A’s dealt him to Toronto that offseason because he was arbitration-eligible.

He started ’04 with a sore wrist.  Lilly still made it through a decent year, tossing a career high in innings.  His 4.06 per nine walk rate was a cause for concern, however.

Lilly began ’05 with another problem, shoulder tendinitis.  The issue lingered and then in May of that year his pitching coach accused him of being "lethargic" after a side session.  By July, the word was biceps tendinitis.  This time there was the dreaded visit to Dr. Lewis Yocum.  He made it out of there unscathed, but his shoulder blade caused discomfort by September. 

This season, his non-throwing shoulder barked a little bit.  Lilly seems OK now, and his 3.18 ERA through 34 innings looks pretty.  Still, he won’t see sustained success walking more than four batters per nine unless he becomes unhittable again, as he was in ’04. 

Given that Lilly will be 30 in 2006 and hasn’t shown both health and control in the same season since 2003, he’s probably going to be a bad signing.  Baseball Prospectus says he’d only be worth about $6MM if signed for 2007-09.  Nonetheless, if Barry stays and Schmidt leaves, I could see the Giants offering Lilly the standard 3/21 deal.  As with Morris, it won’t end well.   

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