Bay To Indians Talks Revived, Then Dead Again?

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 2:24pm: The Indians and Pirates haven’t even talked about Bay since the Meetings began.

UPDATE, 12-5-07 at 10:58am: Buster Olney says these talks are dead.

FROM 12-5-07 at 7:35am:

According to Dejan Kovacevic, the Indians felt pressured when they saw the division-rival Tigers trade for Miguel Cabrera.  Their response was to restart their conversations with the Pirates for outfielder Jason Bay.

A five-player trade is being discussed, apparently expanding upon the rumor originally reported by ESPN’s Steve Phillips.  The Bucs would send Bay and catcher Ronny Paulino for Franklin Gutierrez, Kelly Shoppach, and Cliff Lee.  Looks like the Pirates are seeking MLB-ready guys, though they wanted prospects from the Rangers yesterday.  Late last night it was also said that the Padres had jumped into the fray for Bay. 

It’s decent value for Bay, who should really only be traded this winter if the Pirates feel his decline is for real.  It’s not surprising to see the Tribe in on Bay, since the Pirates’ GM came from their organization.