Will Jenrry Mejia's posterior cuff strain prevent the Mets from trading for Mariners ace Cliff Lee? GM Omar Minaya obviously could not talk specifically about Lee when asked by Kevin Kernan of the New York Post "if the Mejia setback is a setback to trade possibilities." But Minaya kept a brave face and replied, "I don’t think so because I think we have other very good possibilities." At least one of Minaya's current players does think the team lost its chance to acquire Lee with Mejia's injury, according to Kernan.
Maybe there is a chance, given Ken Rosenthal's June 19th report for FOX Sports suggesting the Mariners want young hitters in return for Lee. At that time Rosenthal didn't think the Mets would be willing to give up Ike Davis to rent Lee. John Hickey of AOL FanHouse wrote yesterday about a consensus among Mariners insiders that the team should add talent around the Double A level in a Lee deal. More specifically, outfielders and lefthanded starters would be a good fit.
In my opinion, the Mets probably couldn't swing a Lee trade with Fernando Martinez as the centerpiece. He's hitting .248/.299/.397 at Triple A currently. Starter Brad Holt is struggling at Double A, though second baseman Reese Havens was raking before hitting the DL with an oblique injury. We heard from Rosenthal on June 7th that the Mets are high on infielder Ruben Tejada, enough that they would be reluctant to include him in a Roy Oswalt trade. In a June 23rd article, Mark Hale of the New York Post found the Mets unlikely to include Mejia, Davis, or Jonathon Niese in a Lee offer. He opined that the Mets would have to build the deal around names like Tejada, Martinez, Wilmer Flores, Jeurys Familia, and Josh Thole. From where I'm sitting, the Mets don't seem like the team that will ultimately make the best offer for Lee.
Mets farm is in shambles right now. Everyone who started in the upper minors and played well and stayed healthy got called up to the MLB team and they need all of them right now. F-Mart keeps getting hurt, Havens hurt, Kirk hurt, Mejia hurt, and the entire St. Lucie rotation has underperformed.
Kirk has been back in the lineup for a week now… and Fmart hasn’t been hurt for a month.
Just checked and he played his first game back yesterday. Not exactly what I’d call a week.
sorry i miss read ur right… but still the mets farm is def not in shambles my friend… people just like to bash it
sorry i miss read ur right… but still the mets farm is def not in shambles my friend… people just like to bash it
Could the Cardinals still be interested in Lee? Do they have the minor league pieces for a deal? The Cardinals seem to be in more need.
I’ll all for offering Seattle any prospect except for Ike Davis, Mejia, and Tejada. Well, maybe Tejada. Offensive prospects are a dime a dozen and often don’t pan out. Mejia and his 97 mph fastball is more likely to compete in some capacity on the major league level.
Niese looks like a completely different pitcher, his cutter has been the key to his recent success. I think he can really be a number 2 or 3.
I agree Neise as well doesn’t go anywhere. Didn’t mean to leave him off my list. I just forgot he still might be considered a prospect.
I agree Neise as well doesn’t go anywhere. Didn’t mean to leave him off my list. I just forgot he still might be considered a prospect.
Why is everyone so down on Fmart. He has been in the minors for seemingly a long tim ebecause he is only 20 years old he was dubbed as the teenage hitting machine since he tore up the minors as a teenager. He also was MVP of the carribean league series.
I don’t think most of the posters are “down” on him per se, but are pointing out he’s not currently valuable enough to be a centerpiece in a trade of this magnitude.
He’s certainly go talent, and is still young, but his value is significantly lower than it was a year ago. He’s an example of why it’s so dangerous to call up guys before he’s REALLY ready. A bad debut is far, far worse than nothing at all.
Again, not doubting his talent. Doubting his relative trade value.
so if we are differentiating between talent and trade value than lets ignore Lee’s talent and focus on the fact that he is a rental player and the Mariners are the one’s in most desperate need of a viable line-up for the future, the gamble of two draft picks not withstanding.
That’s fine…but the Mets are not bidding in a bubble. There’s several other teams interested. The level of value of the Mets’ compared to Lee is meaningless; it’s compared to what other teams can/will offer. That’s The problem with all these people saying the Mets’ offer will be more than what the M’s gave up…who cares. All that matters is what the M’s can get NOW
That’s fine…but the Mets are not bidding in a bubble. There’s several other teams interested. The level of value of the Mets’ compared to Lee is meaningless; it’s compared to what other teams can/will offer. That’s The problem with all these people saying the Mets’ offer will be more than what the M’s gave up…who cares. All that matters is what the M’s can get NOW
so if we are differentiating between talent and trade value than lets ignore Lee’s talent and focus on the fact that he is a rental player and the Mariners are the one’s in most desperate need of a viable line-up for the future, the gamble of two draft picks not withstanding.
Ill rather give up mejia than flores, but it would make more sense to trade flores because of him being blocked at 3b and 1b.
How about the Padres? Could they pony up some prospects for a half year rental of Lee?
Sounds like the Mets don’t have the horses.
Padres already have great pitching…they dont need cliff lee, they need a bat…
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Check out here to see the mets horses. A package around THole Fmart and maybe a AA pitcher like Holt Familia may get the job done. That haul would be considerably better than what they would expect to receive from the two picks in the draft.
That’s a sad proposal, really. Every fan in Seattle paying attention would be disappointed.
That’s a sad proposal, really. Every fan in Seattle paying attention would be disappointed.
Wonder if the Mets would trade Davis and Martinez for Derrick Lee and Ted Lilly? Assuming the Cubs picked up the payroll difference?
LOL..not a chance..keep dreaming
We have enough OF’s as is…We currently Carry Soriano, Byrd, Fukudome, Colvin, and Nady…Come on
So? F-Mart would be for the future, not 2010.
Nady is a FA after this season, and Fukudome is a FA after next season.
Dude it was a joke
there is no way they trade ike davis…derrek lee has been beyond horrible this year and is not getting any younger…and they can get just lilly without trading davis…
Do they want to trust Davis in September? Both Lilly and Lee are Type A free Agents. So worst case is you get 4 comp picks in return for Davis and F-mart.
hahahahahahahahah the fact u actually think thats a plausible deal is hilarious. Ike Savis has Mark Texiera potential. I have more faith in september because he will adjust to big league pitching.
That’s assuming that arb is offered and rejected by each player, and that they maintain type A status throughout the rest of the year, too many variables to say that the worst case is 4 picks.
That’s assuming that arb is offered and rejected by each player, and that they maintain type A status throughout the rest of the year, too many variables to say that the worst case is 4 picks.
Not a good trade, no thanks.
Thats a great idea!!!! Trade a young 1b with and endless ceiling for a 34 year old whose contract runs out soon!!!!! Truly a great idea.
34 years old?
34 years old?
Dear lord no. Davis and F-Mart for two rentals? And then what do the Mets do at 1B? Davis is pretty much untradable right now, not because he’s a lock to be a superstar so much as the Mets have nothing else going on at 1B in their farm.
That is just a god awful idea for the Mets.
Which actually might be the best argument for why they might do it.
Touche.
It was a question more so than a trade idea. Good lord its not like Omar Minaya ever traded Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Grady Sizemore for Bartolo Colon or anything?I thought it possible that Minaya isn’t above making a panic move for vets in an effort to save his job this year.Some of these Mets fans are over the top with their opinions on the prospects they have. I’ve read 11 names of guys who absolutely CANNOT BE DEALT FOR CLIFF LEE???? Prospects as a general rule very seldom turn into best cases. But by the sounds of it, if the Mets stand pat. They should be turning into the 27 Yankees over the next 18 months. Good luck with that.
Right or wrong, prospects & young players across the league have never been valued more highly than they are now. It’s a factor.
Right or wrong, prospects & young players across the league have never been valued more highly than they are now. It’s a factor.
It was a question more so than a trade idea. Good lord its not like Omar Minaya ever traded Cliff Lee, Brandon Phillips and Grady Sizemore for Bartolo Colon or anything?I thought it possible that Minaya isn’t above making a panic move for vets in an effort to save his job this year.Some of these Mets fans are over the top with their opinions on the prospects they have. I’ve read 11 names of guys who absolutely CANNOT BE DEALT FOR CLIFF LEE???? Prospects as a general rule very seldom turn into best cases. But by the sounds of it, if the Mets stand pat. They should be turning into the 27 Yankees over the next 18 months. Good luck with that.
Jenrry Mejia’s injury isn’t serious, he just needs to rest his arm. I think a package around
Wilmer Flores or Mejia would be good enough.
“Wonder if the Mets would trade Davis and Martinez for Derrick Lee and Ted Lilly? Assuming the Cubs picked up the payroll difference? ” extremly wishful thinking
If you are a mets fan I don’t understand how you can be okay with trading Mejia. He quite possibly has the best stuff in the organization and he couldn’t even buy a beer in the ballpark. His cutter has drawn comparisons do that of Mariano Rivera. MARIANO RIVERA!!!! and you want to trade him for a rental?! I just don’t get it.
He held his own in the bigs as a 20 year old and you have to give him a chance to polish himself into the frontline starter he can be for the Mets. We have seen the Mets organization try and fail too many times trying to make a deadline deal. If the Mets organization wants to continue to set itself back and put itself into the position where it NEEDS a deadline deal to be in contention, then go ahead, trade Mejia. But I’m telling you, if Big Pelf can have the success he is having with one dominant pitch, Mejia definitely can.
Not to nitpick, but Pelfrey really isn’t a one pitch pitcher anymore. He’s turned things around because he’s developed that Split Finger and learned to control the rest of his secondary stuff to the point where he can throw them for strikes, namely the Curveball, to go along with his already great sinker.
Mejia needs to work on his secondary stuff and his control as well. Clearly he has a breaking ball with potential, he just needs to be able to throw it for strikes. But he’s young, he’s got time on his side. Thankfully, the injury doesn’t sound like a long-term thing.
Heyman on the radio said that Mejia was a 1 pitch pitcher, I watched him when he was using his other pitches in ST and single a and his other pitches when using them regularly were fantastic. They made him drop those pitches while in the bigs.
Unless you are only talking about movement, they are definitely not fantastic pitches. Yet.
Unless you are only talking about movement, they are definitely not fantastic pitches. Yet.
Heyman on the radio said that Mejia was a 1 pitch pitcher, I watched him when he was using his other pitches in ST and single a and his other pitches when using them regularly were fantastic. They made him drop those pitches while in the bigs.
I didn’t mean pelf is a one pitch pitcher now but I can see how I was unclear. He WAS a one pitch pitcher with effectively no breaking stuff and he really struggled in the bigs. Mejia effectively is a one pitch pitcher now and he has a 66% ground ball rate. So for me comparing the two, mejia is farther along then pelfrey was early in their careers. Give mejia time to find some real quality breaking stuff which he has shown the potential for, I think he very realistcally be better then pelf is now. That’s why I don’t deal him for a rental.
I didn’t mean pelf is a one pitch pitcher now but I can see how I was unclear. He WAS a one pitch pitcher with effectively no breaking stuff and he really struggled in the bigs. Mejia effectively is a one pitch pitcher now and he has a 66% ground ball rate. So for me comparing the two, mejia is farther along then pelfrey was early in their careers. Give mejia time to find some real quality breaking stuff which he has shown the potential for, I think he very realistcally be better then pelf is now. That’s why I don’t deal him for a rental.
As a Mets fan, I am fed up of not having made it to the postseason the past 3 years and, in an extremely tight division, Lee gives us an edge and then some. Then there is the prospect that we could resign one of the best pitchers in baseball to a long term deal (don’t rule it out), THEN there is the fact that Mejia is still unproven – especially as a starter.
Lee is a 3 month rental why give up on our farm that continues to produce MLB talent? Its not like this is a do or die year for the mets we are very young why mortgage future years for the sake of lee?
Lee is a 3 month rental why give up on our farm that continues to produce MLB talent? Its not like this is a do or die year for the mets we are very young why mortgage future years for the sake of lee?
A world series is a very big deal. Lots of teams “mortgage their future” for a good run or two. Ask the Braves how good it feels to make the playoffs every year but never take a title. Most fans and virtually all businessmen will trade a season or three of struggling to make then postseason for just one title.
A world series is a very big deal. Lots of teams “mortgage their future” for a good run or two. Ask the Braves how good it feels to make the playoffs every year but never take a title. Most fans and virtually all businessmen will trade a season or three of struggling to make then postseason for just one title.
I can’t argue at all with you being fed up with the lack of October baseball. And there is no doubt that Lee CAN get us there. But come on, this is baseball. Lee doesn’t guarantee playoffs, and he certainly doesn’t guarantees a world series birth. I’m not ready to give up 6 years of mejia (and who knows who else) for 3 months of Lee.
I can’t argue at all with you being fed up with the lack of October baseball. And there is no doubt that Lee CAN get us there. But come on, this is baseball. Lee doesn’t guarantee playoffs, and he certainly doesn’t guarantees a world series birth. I’m not ready to give up 6 years of mejia (and who knows who else) for 3 months of Lee.
I would not trade Mejia. Young pitching is at such a premium in this league you just dont do it.
You have Niese, you have Pelfrey, there’s your young pitchers. If the M’s want Mejia, suck it up and do it.
I didn’t realize you can’t have more than two young pitchers on a roster..
I didn’t realize you can’t have more than two young pitchers on a roster..
Thole, F-Mart, Familia, B-Prospect
That should be enough for a rental of Lee. We really need to sign him regardless of whether a trade is made or not.
I agree that is not far off. You can also sub Flores for F Mart Holt for Familia and be pretty close. I think that haul is more than enough to get it done. W eare giving up two players that have made it to the show already and two more that could pan out.
I’d rather keep Flores because he is being compared to Hanley. As far as Holt and Familia I don’t know enough about them to say which one is better.
you cannot switch Holt and Familia, Holt was recently demoted because of his 10 Era in Double A. A package of Flores Familia Thole and Evans would definitely get the job done.
That deal is solid. Although we have no use for Evans. The problem is that the M’s will probably want somebody who could help them sooner.
M’s will probably want Flores and Tejada and then whatever else you want to throw in.
I know Mets fans will think this is a lot, but you can’t make Davis, Niese, Pagan, and Mejia untouchable, and then complain if M’s want Flores and Tejada.
If that doesn’t work, M’s are probably better off looking elsewhere, or taking the comp picks.
Evans is better than any of the Mariners 1B prospects in AA or AAA.
Evans is no better than Mike Carp. They are both guys you stock away in AAA in case of injury and nothing more.
Sign him? He is 32 years old and is going to want a mega contract….take the 2 prospects and run imo.
I hope the Met’s make several blockbuster moves, once again depleting their already meager farm system. They won’t win the division anyway. Atlanta is the team of destiny this year.
Am i the only person who is sick of hearing the Mariners GM mentioned by people as if he’s their brother?? Jack Z this, Jack Z that… just say the Mariners for Christ sakes!
He’s not my brother, just a good buddy of mine. Met him through my old pal Theo.
Props Rev, impressive
As a Mets fan, I’d offer anyone the Mariners want who isn’t named Ike Davis or Jonathan Niese. Start with Mejia, add in F-Mart or Thole, and one more lower-level prospect.
mets might make that deal, but if there is really no way they can get lee without giving up mejia i can very easily see them just getting lilly. santana, pelfrey, lilly, and niese isnt dominant by any means, but i think it gets the job done. then they could just let lilly walk at the end of the season, and make a serious run at lee as a free agent. just imagine a future rotation of lee, santana, pelfrey, niese, and mejia
Let Lee go. After the season, I mean.
mets might make that deal, but if there is really no way they can get lee without giving up mejia i can very easily see them just getting lilly. santana, pelfrey, lilly, and niese isnt dominant by any means, but i think it gets the job done. then they could just let lilly walk at the end of the season, and make a serious run at lee as a free agent. just imagine a future rotation of lee, santana, pelfrey, niese, and mejia
the mets will panic at the last minute ( again ) and drain what little remains in their farm ( again ) only to watch him sign a masssive ridiculous contract in the bronx, BOOK IT
No, they won’t. If there is anything Omar has done well, it’s been not to give up prospects for rentals midseason. Either the price is right for Omar, or he will move on to another target.
…and then watch someone else win the WS.
…and then watch someone else win the WS.
heres the difference you no longer have elite top prospects in your system,
the last one you had ( davis ) is in the majors and martinez, etc might be
good pros, but not elite, meijia( sp ?) is the last one you have in the
upper minors that could be a star
heres the difference you no longer have elite top prospects in your system,
the last one you had ( davis ) is in the majors and martinez, etc might be
good pros, but not elite, meijia( sp ?) is the last one you have in the
upper minors that could be a star
No, they won’t. If there is anything Omar has done well, it’s been not to give up prospects for rentals midseason. Either the price is right for Omar, or he will move on to another target.
the mets will panic at the last minute ( again ) and drain what little remains in their farm ( again ) only to watch him sign a masssive ridiculous contract in the bronx, BOOK IT
As a Mariners fan I envy whatever team Lee ends up with. In the short time he has been here he has been awesome to watch. The excitement he brings every time he pitches is amazing. He’s been a class act and a professional. Hopefully some of what he’s got has rubbed off on some of our players. No matter what the M’s get in return for him it won’t be enough.
Well said, he has been an absolute professional through all the trade talk and has continued to dominate every 5th day. He has been an absolute joy to watch.
Well said, he has been an absolute professional through all the trade talk and has continued to dominate every 5th day. He has been an absolute joy to watch.
As a Mariners fan I envy whatever team Lee ends up with. In the short time he has been here he has been awesome to watch. The excitement he brings every time he pitches is amazing. He’s been a class act and a professional. Hopefully some of what he’s got has rubbed off on some of our players. No matter what the M’s get in return for him it won’t be enough.
Mets need to win now!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trade Nieuwheis, Mejia, and Thole for Cliff Lee..Also we need Ty Wiggington at second base…. That shouold put us deep into the playoffs..We’ll see about next year in the offseason
Mets need to win now!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trade Nieuwheis, Mejia, and Thole for Cliff Lee..Also we need Ty Wiggington at second base…. That shouold put us deep into the playoffs..We’ll see about next year in the offseason