Thursday night linkage..
- Reds GM Walt Jocketty came to the defense of his manager, writes John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer.
- Bobby Valentine is said to love the Marlins' scouting system and new ballpark, tweets Jon Heyman of SI.
- A's GM Billy Beane told Mychael Urban of CSNBayArea.com that skipper Bob Geren's job is safe.
- Dealing Dan Haren could help replenish Arizona's thin farm system, writes MLB.com's Steve Gilbert.
the dodgers could really use haren, though the dodgers minor leaguers r not top notch and the only young guy i can c them even some-what parting with is justin miller or maybe ely
I’d doubt they’d do an in division deal. Hope for Lee or Oswalt.
The Dodgers and Dbacks have done a fair amount of trading in the past, hell, we gave them Abreu last year.
Base a deal on Belisario and Ely, and they instantly have a closer and a solid starter. Add in a couple top prospects on the pitching side, and a deal could happen
Matt Kemp would be a perfect fit for the dbacks, then they can have 4 hitters in the top 10 in strikeous.
That was a small deal. Not a deal nearly as huge as a Haren trade would be.
And I don’t think Byrnes is THAT stupid to take a deal headed by Belisario and Ely. Unless you’re suggesting that a deal based around Belisario and Ely is good enough for Haren… and well, there’s your problem…
It’s just not a good match. The D’Backs don’t want to trade an ace to a division rival, and the Dodgers don’t want to see their top prospects playing on a team within the division for the next six years. Plus, Byrnes will probably be asking for extra/better prospects just because they’re in the division.
The deal would be headed by MiLB pitchers. But giving a team that has a horrible bullpen a very good late inning option, possible closer, and a #3 starter, each for 4 or 5 years, respectively, would be a good start. Add in guys like Martin, Withrow, etc, and there is a deal in the making.
And you say we dont want to deal top prospects… what was Tony Abreu? He wasnt on the level of Withrow or Gordon, but has a MLB future, probably their future 2B.
Honestly, I dont think the Dbacks blow it up enough where Belisario and Ely arent useful. They have a solid young offensive core, but lack pitching. Add Ely, who has done well in the majors, maybe a guy like Jmac who is MLB ready, Belisario for the pen, plus pitching prospects that are further off but could be very good, and that is the start of a deal…
There we go. It sounded like the deal was headed by Bellasario and Ely and I facepalmed.
If the decision is made to blow it up, we need to get players that will be productive in the majors in 2012, when our good 2009 draft class is major league ready. Byrnes probably won’t be looking for players that will be in their arb years in 2012
The use of Belisario and Ely would be so we don’t need all 3 of Gordon, E Martin and Withrow.
Well, if the trade is Belisario and Ely plus only two of Gordon, Martin, Withrow… then I don’t think a deal gets done. Like I said, if you’re buying in-division, the price is higher than if you were out of division (even though I don’t think that package gets Haren anyways). You’re better off renting Lee or getting Oswalt (although you’d have to pay out the ass to get him, because the Astros would have to eat most of the salary).
I didn’t mean that I thought it would only be those 4. But rather they are the main pieces. If you guys trade Drew as well, it would probably be Gordon, Martin or Withrow, Belisario, Ely and then maybe Trayvon Robinson and Lindblom?
SS of the future, speedy leadoff man. A FOR potential pitcher. Withrow is compared to Billingsley, and Logan White said Martin had the potential to be the ‘right handed Clayton Kershaw’ when he drafted him. Belisario steps in as closer for next 4 years, Ely is a rotation stabilizer(#3), Robinson is a potential leadoff guy(nearly as fast as Dee) who is a CF and could stick there as a MLB player. Has good power. Lindblom is a setup/closer in the future, but his stats are skewed because the Dodgers tried to start him, until recently.
I’m not sure if this is enough, but I’m not sure the Dodgers would throw in another top arm like Miller. Maybe you could get both Martin and Withrow, with another prospect similar potential to Lindblom/Robinson(a contributor, and a large one, with star potential, but a low percentage of reaching that level).
If you don’t think this is enough, do you have any suggestions?
Sounds pretty solid to me.
I wasn’t aware Lindblom had been converted to a reliever.
It was a couple of weeks ago. They finally accepted converting a college closer to starter, when he already has two plus pitches, isn’t a good idea. Now he could help the team pretty quickly.
I’m guessing Haren to the Mets. Mejia based deal?
its time for the Diamonbacks to deal anyone not named Kennedy or Upton. this team needs so much help in their rotation, bullpen, and not to mention a top prospect who can be groomed into a face of the franchise roll.
Does the name Justin Upton mean anything to you?
i mentioned him in the no trade scenario so im assuming you mean face of the franchise. im not saying that he isnt, what i meant more by face of the franchise type is a clean up hitting stud.
Meh, I think Upton and Reynolds have the face of the franchise thing covered.
I don’t think a blow up is needed. Just fix the bullpen, and we’ll be fine.
And the rotation isn’t bad, they’ve just been horribly, horribly overworked because Hinch has no faith in the bullpen, and as a result the starters blow up around the 7th-8th inning. And next year, Willis will be replaced with Parker, which is an ENORMOUS upgrade.
you see i would want to get rid of reynolds. dude can crush a ball with the best of them and play a pretty good third, but offensively its either a dinger or nothing with him.
btw whats going on with Webb? is he ever going to see the mound this year?
Getting rid of Reynolds would be good, as his strikeouts are absolutely infuriating, but there’s no need to sell low on him. His peripheral stats say that he’ll bounce back. He’s been really unlucky with his .278 BABIP (which is really low for someone who hits the ball as hard as he does), so I would just hope for a huge hot streak near the end of the year or sometime next year and trade him off.
And it doesn’t look like Webb’ll be back. What a waste of 6.5MM that option was…
Frank — These other guys pretty much said it but IMO Upton is going to be a superstar and the face of that franchise barring some kind of unforeseen issue that either stops his development or messes him up psychologically.
It really is the pitching. We need look no further than poor Chad Qualls who was solid last year and is putting 2.6 guys on base/ inning this year. There offense plays, especially in that division they’ve just had their hearts broken a whole lot.
“Bobby Valentine is said to love the Marlins’ scouting system and new ballpark, tweets Jon Heyman of SI. ”
How does he feel about them firing the best manager they ever had? Or players that lollygag on the field, then don’t take responsibility, putting their laziness on the manager?
Joe Girardi did a pretty good job… Fredi is happy, he gets to go to Atlanta!
Fredi Gonzalez was the best manager they ever had? Not Jim Leyland or Jack McKeon, who won World Series with them? Girardi had a good run also.
Fredi Gonzalez was the best manager they ever had? Not Jim Leyland or Jack McKeon, who won World Series with them? Girardi had a good run also.
i can c the dodgers getting oswalt actually…. lee wont happen and haren is in division like we said earlyer
how on earth could the dodgers afford roy oswalts contract?
Dodgers would probably have to pay a lot in terms of prospects to get the Astros to eat a bunch of the contract.
They’ll have to get some pitcher. Maybe Lilly.
What Pitcher do you guys think the Reds could use be it a reliever or a starter? Would love to see Oswalt in Cincy but I doubt he will get there since its the same division again.
What Pitcher do you guys think the Reds could use be it a reliever or a starter? Would love to see Oswalt in Cincy but I doubt he will get there since its the same division again.
I don’t see the D’Backs trading Haren. His name is out there to make sure other teams call-because they are going to trade some of their players. LaRoche, Qualls, Johnson,and maybe Young, but not Haren. Because Stephen Drew is a living, breathing, still young shortstop, a position at which there is a baseball-wide shortage, I believe he will bring a significant haul if he’s made available. I think he’s more likely to be moved than Haren.
I doubt Young gets traded. Another team probably wouldn’t offer enough to make it worthwhile to trade him. Good offensive and defensive center fielders are hard to find.
I doubt Young gets traded. Another team probably wouldn’t offer enough to make it worthwhile to trade him. Good offensive and defensive center fielders are hard to find.