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Jayson Werth Rumors: Friday

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | July 9, 2010 at 3:50pm CDT

The Yankees, Red Sox and Rays have told the Phillies that they would have interest in Jayson Werth if he is available, according to George A. King III of the New York Post. We heard yesterday that the Phillies, who would like to add a proven starter, are discussing possible Werth trades with ‘a lot of teams.’

Werth, 31, will hit free agency after the season and is projected to be a Type A free agent. That ranking likely boosts his value in the long-term. For now, Werth boasts a .278/.365/.514 line and plays solid defense in right field. Check back throughout the day for the latest rumors on Werth:

  • The Red Sox have shown interest in Werth, but no deal is imminent, according to Rob Bradford of WEEI.com.
  • An official of one team the Phillies discussed Werth with told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark that he would be very surprised to see the Phils trade him. Stark reports that the Phillies appear to have evaluated the market for Werth, Ibanez and Shane Victorino. The Phillies would have interest in Vazquez if the Yankees make him available.
  • There’s no reason to believe that the Phillies will trade Werth to the Yankees for Javier Vazquez, according to MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki. The Phillies would want major league-ready players who are under team control after 2010 if they deal Werth, Zolecki confirms.
  • The Phillies would part with Werth in the right deal, but aren't sure how they would do without a comparable right-handed bat, according to Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com (via Twitter).
  • The Phillies would prefer to move Raul Ibanez than Werth, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (via Twitter). The chances of that happening seem slim.
  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says the Phillies would be looking to obtain players who can contribute instantly and who are under team control after 2010 (Twitter link).
  • Rosenthal puts the odds of a Javier Vazquez-Werth swap at 50-1 and says the Rays are not likely to acquire the Phillies' outfielder (Twitter link).

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  1. MB923

    15 years ago

    Out of the 3 teams, I would say the Red Sox would need him the most.

    Reply
  2. NYBravosFan10

    15 years ago

    Have the Yankees lost their minds? WHERE WOULD HE PLAY?!?!?!?! You’ve got an all-star right fielder, a center-fielder that you gave up your top prospect for and a left fielder that has improved DRASTICALLY. God I hope he goes somewhere else because I would lose ALL faith in pro baseball if he goes to the Yankees.

    Reply
    • Boz

      15 years ago

      I rather have Werth than Gardner. I always thought his value was off the bench anyways

      Reply
      • NYBravosFan10

        15 years ago

        his value was better off the bench…last year. Now that he has actually learned how to swing some lumber he’s quite valuable in my opinion

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        • GermanYankee

          15 years ago

          quite valuable? I’d call one of the fastest guy in the MLB who has an OBP close to .400 and is one of the best defensive outfielders damn valuable. If the Yanks really get Werth then Grandy will have a new home very soon.

          Reply
          • Boz

            15 years ago

            I can’t imagine they trade Grandy any time soon. he hasnt played much due to the DL stint and would not land anywhere near what they traded for him. maybe they platoon Grandy and Gardner since Grandy cant hit lefties?

            Reply
      • Guest

        15 years ago

        Pujols would be valuable on the bench too.

        Reply
        • Boz

          15 years ago

          are you seriously comparing Pujols to Gardner?

          Reply
          • Guest

            15 years ago

            no, I’m just saying… both players would be valuable off the bench, but they’re even more valuable starting… Pujols is obviously far better than Gardner, no one could say otherwise…
            Gardner is no longer a .260 hitter that can only steal and get weak hits that end up at the edge of the grass… he’s one of the best leadoff hitters in the league now.

            Reply
      • jeenyus245

        15 years ago

        Gardner is WAY better than Werth. Werth is overrated just like most of the Philthies players, he’s hitting has diminished significantly after one fluke good season. I have no idea how he even holds a Type-A free agent standing let alone make it to the All-Star game….

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        • fred

          15 years ago

          are you serious? i guess that all of baseball overate him than to? werth is a 270 hitter 30 hr 90 rbi and 20 stolen bases with good defense

          Reply
        • Phil Gunther

          15 years ago

          yea.. gardner is better than werth. the guy who hit more home runs last year than any other outfielder, who has plus speed and a great arm from the outfield. It’s funny how Yankees fan bash him now, yet their front office was courting him in spring training for next year.

          Reply
    • ATLian

      15 years ago

      It’s the Yankee (pathetic) way of doing things.

      Reply
    • Jonathan Gallo

      15 years ago

      C: Posada
      1B: Teixeira
      2B: Cano
      3B: Rodriguez
      SS: Jeter
      LF: Gardner
      CF: Granderson
      RF: Werth
      DH: Swisher

      Reply
      • NYBravosFan10

        15 years ago

        Understandable but you can’t ignore what Cervelli has done. The little dude has been awesome when they have needed him the most and are trying to adjust to the fact that Posada’s career as a catcher is ending.

        Reply
        • Boz

          15 years ago

          im going to throw this out there…do not re sign Posada…

          as for what they do this year, who knows…but they would def have options.

          Reply
        • Jonathan Gallo

          15 years ago

          I like Cervelli as a back up but he has no pop. 1 HR in his MLB career.

          Reply
  3. super_saxy

    15 years ago

    The closer Werth gets to leaving, the more I HATE Ibanez and his awful contract.

    Reply
  4. budman3

    15 years ago

    Rays need a bat but not necessarily a RF’er. Zobrist is doing just fine out there and Rodriquez is above average defensively(and hitting) at second. I don’t see Werth becoming a DH either(Rays remember Pat Burell) and a RG hittting DH is all they really need.

    Reply
  5. M.Kit

    15 years ago

    What “proven starter” would boston give the phillies for Werth? certainly not clay.

    Reply
    • jeenyus245

      15 years ago

      the trade would have to be Werth, Brown, another prospect for Clay

      Reply
      • bflaff

        15 years ago

        It’s somehow fitting that you misspelled genius in your handle.

        Reply
        • jeenyus245

          15 years ago

          I’m sorry Werth is highly over-rated after one good season…

          Reply
  6. NYBravosFan10

    15 years ago

    Ok actually here’s my attempt at a four way trade between the Rays, Yankees, Braves and Phillies.

    Phillies get-Jeff Niemann and a copy of “Chicken Soup for the Cry-Babies’ Soul”
    Braves get BJ Upton and a grant to build a new Waffle House
    Rays get-Jayson Werth and some surf boards.
    Yankees get-Melky Cabrera back and a big slap in the face from the Braves, Rays and Phillies!!!!

    Reply
    • Boz

      15 years ago

      I dont think the yankees are getting enough in return

      Reply
      • NYBravosFan10

        15 years ago

        Those are the major leaguers. Minor leaguers would be thrown in there too.

        Reply
    • jeenyus245

      15 years ago

      No way the Rays trade Niemann for a mediocre OF

      Reply
    • coolstorybro222

      15 years ago

      then the braves throw sand in the yankees eyes and steal cliff lee away from them.

      Reply
  7. HomeRunKing

    15 years ago

    The Red Sox should have made a trade for an outfielder at least 4 weeks ago. The only negative would be that Werth would have to learn LF at Fenway or play CF. Not sure how his defense is in those positions, but I’d be willing to bet he could handle LF just fine after a short “break-in” period.

    Reply
    • myname_989

      15 years ago

      Werth’s played some time in CF this year when Shane Victorino’s needed a break, or to get Francisco in the lineup in RF. He can play out there, but he’s a great defender in RF.

      Reply
  8. soxfan0928

    15 years ago

    I think the Sox will probably take him. They need the help more than anyone, and probably realize that and will pay a pretty penny for him, especially with Drew’s track record, plus Ells and Cam are both DTD even after they recover from their injuries.

    Reply
  9. Kitfisto007

    15 years ago

    Like I said in a previous comment. The Red Sox will give the Phillies Michael Bowden, Ryan Kalish, and Derek Gibson for Werth. We might throw in another prospect if we get negotiating rights. If you want a starter, take Dice-K as a throw in but we split the salary.

    Reply
    • super_saxy

      15 years ago

      I wouldn’t mind that as much. Werth to NYY for Vasquez would be terrible.

      Reply
      • hanmansucks

        15 years ago

        I agree, Vasquez is a FA after this season anyway (right?). We would be giving up draft picks in that deal. I’d rather see prospects for Werth.

        Reply
        • super_saxy

          15 years ago

          Of course, (and I know its not possible) I’d love to somehow dump Raul’s contract (even if the Phils eat most of it) to make signing back Werth possible. An outfield of Werth, Victorino, and Dom Brown next year would be pretty nice.

          Reply
          • hanmansucks

            15 years ago

            That would be ideal, but I think they’d have to move more contracts then just Raul’s. If they ate just half of his contract they still have 128MM committed to only 14 players with raises coming to KK (Arb), Francisco (Arb), and Happ. Maybe move Victorino too? The safe bet here is to move Werth for prospects, one of which can hopefully replace Raul for cheap in 2012.

            Reply
            • jerseyphanatic

              15 years ago

              Not sure I agree…Ibanez is making 10 per so if you ate half your gaining 5 to move to werth and Moyer is making 5 per and contract is up this year, so you could conceivably have 10 mil above Werth’s current contract number. I think that just moving Ibanez (especially if someone will take the full salary next year) gets it done.

              Reply
              • hanmansucks

                15 years ago

                As the Phillies commitments stand right now, they have 134.7MM for 2011 to 15 players. Raul makes 12.167MM next year with bonuses. If you could move him this year (paying his full 2010 salary) to a team that would pay his 2011 salary, you’d still owe 122.5MM to 14 players. Add 15MM for Werth and you are up to 137.5. If the Phillies are planning to increase payroll this works, but if not they need to move more contracts to be able to field a team next year.

                Reply
        • EcRocks

          15 years ago

          Werth is a free agent after the season. There would be an even exchange of draft picks (unless the Yankees sign him)

          Reply
    • Abraham Zapruder

      15 years ago

      Bowden can’t even get AAA hitters out. Kalish is a lefty hitting outfielder, something the Phils do not need. Boston’s Minor League system looks pretty average this year. The Phils would demand Dubront plus others for Werth from Boston.

      Reply
      • RahZid

        15 years ago

        Yep, a 3.68 ERA and .213BAA in 88 innings definitely suggests that Bowden can’t get AAA hitters out….

        web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?p…

        Bowden will be called up by mid August for bullpen help if he’s still with the team, he’s already begun transitioning into the pen in AAA.

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      • soxfan0928

        15 years ago

        Yeah I guess Bowden doesn’t have a 2.50 ERA in his last 10 games and 57.2 IP…What about DiceK + Reddick + a mid level prospect? DiceK would do well in the NL, Reddick would too.

        Reply
      • Lets_Go_Red_Sox

        15 years ago

        Might wanna know something about players before you bash him, bowden will be a good bullpen guy with his arm angle, similar to masterson ( who never should have been moved from that role )

        Reply
    • zolttt

      15 years ago

      yeah the phillies would take a back of the rotation projected prospect, a 30 year old minor leaguer, and another left handed outfield prospect….

      Reply
    • Abraham Zapruder

      15 years ago

      Kelly, Dubront and Middlebrooks is more like it.

      Reply
      • Kitfisto007

        15 years ago

        Kelly is untouchable. No way the Red Sox give up a future top of the rotation guy, a middle of the rotation guy and a decent 3rd base prospect for a half a year of Werth. He isn’t exactly killing it this year. I say the maximun Sox offer is Bowden, Middlebrooks, Gibson, and a PTBNL depending on how the Red Sox do. They are all good prospects. What would the Rays or Yankees offer?

        Reply
        • jeenyus245

          15 years ago

          four prospects for Werth?? no way that ever happens unless its 4 30+ yr old career minor leaguers

          Reply
      • Lets_Go_Red_Sox

        15 years ago

        God Philly fans ( all sports ) are the worst, ultimate clueless homers, NOONE is giving you that kind of package for your SLUMPING outfielder, deal with it, then use your brain and come up with a realistic offer

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        • BobM

          15 years ago

          pot calling the kettle black.

          Reply
          • Lets_Go_Red_Sox

            15 years ago

            How’s that exactly? Everything I said is true, he is slumping, he’s
            also NOT an elite player, so he won’t get a huge return

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            • 700Level

              15 years ago

              Here’s why exactly: Boston fans are the most insufferable a-holes in all of sports who overrate their players and their teams. Seriously, try talking to a non-Boston sports fans once in a while. Everyone hates your guts.
              As for Werth, going into last night’s game he had the same OPS as he did last year when he was an all-star hitting in a lineup that wasn’t made up of bench players thanks to a rash of injuries. How many OFers hit 36 HRs, had 20 SBs and was an excellent defensive players last year?

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    • Lets_Go_Red_Sox

      15 years ago

      You are Waaaaaaay overrating werth, trade our best OF and middle infield prospect for a slumping werth? Crazy talk, werth is good, not nearly that good, and what happens when ellsbury comes back in august? Bench werth? Drew wont be benched , Cameron maybe but I doubt it, we don’t have a starter to trade at this point, wake sucks lackey has sucked lately, buch is out, Beckett out 2 more weeks, unless Philly takes wake or dice-k for him ( which they won’t ) we can’t deal pitching, we barely have enough as it is

      Reply
  10. parkdav

    15 years ago

    Too early to quit on Lackey? I say trade him sign Werth to an extension. Then get Cliff in FA next year.

    Reply
    • nm344

      15 years ago

      At that salary Lackey has negative trade value.

      Reply
  11. yandz11190

    15 years ago

    Im not a Phillies fan, but the idea of trading Werth is crazy. They are not far from the wild card spot, which is held by the Mets (Choke). If anything Werth is even more valuable to the Phils with Utley on the DL. A team that went to the World Series the last two years isnt going to give up becasue they are three games out in early July. This rumor is just a rumor, its never gonna happen.

    Reply
    • nm344

      15 years ago

      Perhaps you haven’t heard of Domonic Brown since you’re not a Phillies fan. The downgrade in offense would be minor (hopefully), while the return on Werth would fill in a bigger need.

      Reply
      • super_saxy

        15 years ago

        True. However, if there is ANY possibility of keeping Werth so the outfield could include him and Dom Brown, I think it needs to be explored.

        Reply
      • yandz11190

        15 years ago

        Though Brown is a talented play and will be an good starter for the Phils he isnt enough to replace Werth, especially if they want to make the playoffs this year. The Phils cant tread water without their 2, 3 and 5 hitter. If anything trade away Ibanez and play Brown.

        Reply
        • Muggi

          15 years ago

          If they could trade Ibanez, they would. Who’s going to want him though?

          Reply
  12. chaseiam

    15 years ago

    Yo AL East fans: I will speak for the rest of Philadelphia when I say, don’t expect Jayson Werth to come cheap. If you guys want him be prepared to give up a major league ready outfielder and a top of the rotation pitcher. He’s our only right handed bat with pop, Victorino is a more likely trade piece.

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    • 0bsessions

      15 years ago

      Enjoy the comp picks, then. Nobody’s giving up a top of the rotation pitcher alone, much less with an ML ready outfielder.

      He’s good, but he’s not THAT good. Expect a return of slightly lower quality than Bobby Abreu got for you guys.

      Reply
  13. super_saxy

    15 years ago

    I’ll probably get crucified for this suggestion, but I’d trade away Werth for Daniel Bard straight up.

    Reply
    • nm344

      15 years ago

      Bard is a cheap future closer. He has more value than a half a year rental OF.

      Reply
      • super_saxy

        15 years ago

        I agree. I think that would be a smart move for the Phils. Would the Sox ever do this though?

        Reply
        • Brandon

          15 years ago

          Absolutely not. The Red Sox pen is struggling besides their 8th inning man (you guessed it, Bard). So for them to give up their best reliever at the moment would be a huge mistake. Papelbon’s time in Boston may be up once his contract is over depending on how well he performs over the course of the year, so even more reason for us to keep the 100mph righty.

          Honestly in my opinion we might not need another outfielder. Depending on how well our players come back after injury, we should focus on bullpen help.

          Reply
    • Brandon

      15 years ago

      Apparently you haven’t watched a Red Sox game beyond the 5th inning

      Reply
    • coolstorybro222

      15 years ago

      yeah, the phillies have trouble with closing, so they can make Bard their next closer.

      Reply
  14. chaseiam

    15 years ago

    Lidge is fine. He’ll bounce back. The bullpen is a concern, but how long can you ride Kendrick, Blanton and Moyer? JA Happ is in Leigh, with no sign of coming up until late August at least. There is a need for a starter and a need for a bat.

    Reply
    • myname_989

      15 years ago

      Who gave you that late August figure? He’ll be back after the All Star break. He needed a few more starts at AAA.

      Reply
      • chaseiam

        15 years ago

        The late August figure is optimistic. There has been no word or desire from the phillies brass to bring him back. I know the fans want him here ASAP. Who doesnt love JA Happ?

        1) His volicity is topping off at 86-89 mph.
        2) He was getting rocked in Reading.

        So yes a couple more starts are needed. BUT.

        3) Where’s he gonna go? The phillies said they dont want him in the bullpen. Halladay, Hamels, Moyer arent moving out of the rotation. Blanton gets paid way too much to be removed and Kendrick has been pitching great!

        4) Happ is the odd man out unfortunately. 🙁

        Reply
  15. jerseyphanatic

    15 years ago

    I would rather see the Phils trade Ibanez to the Rays and pay all of the remaining salary for this year. That gives Rays the bat they need for this year at no cost and it clears the way fro Brown to come up this year plus gives the Phils the needed salary space to resign Werth going forward.

    Reply
    • super_saxy

      15 years ago

      I feel like if it was that easy though, the Phils would have done that a while ago.

      Reply
      • jerseyphanatic

        15 years ago

        I know I’m making it sound easy, but I’m not sure they were really looking at moving anyone on ML roster until recently. Remember Brown’s move up to AAA was recent and they were not sure if he would make the immediate adjustment he has. Clearly he has show now that he’s ready for the jump, so it make a ML outfielder expendable. Also the Rays desire for the bat is recent.

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        • super_saxy

          15 years ago

          I think that he has shown the potential and that he is ready. Look at his stats this year.

          Reply
  16. chaseiam

    15 years ago

    Pathetic New Jersey: Why would anyone want to help us by taking Ibanez? He has a major contract with major $, and he hits ground balls to 2nd base 8 out of 10 at bats.

    Reply
  17. M.Kit

    15 years ago

    Bowden/Felix/Nava/Kalish for Werth?

    Reply
  18. Guest

    15 years ago

    alright, alright, alright…here’s how it’s going to happen (not really)…four way tradeYankees, Seattle, and Philadelphia Yankees Get: Cliff Lee, Jayson Werth, Ty WiggintonSeattle Get: Jesus Montero (NYY), Eduardo Nunez (NYY), Anthony Gose (PHI)Philadelphia Get: Curtis Granderson (NYY), Manny Banuelos (NYY), Alex Liddi (SEA), Bryan Mitchell (NYY)Baltimore Get: 500k (NYY). Ivan Nova (NYY), Mark Melancon (NYY)

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    • chaseiam

      15 years ago

      Terrible deal for Phillies. Werth is a superstar, power bat, speed, great glove. We dont want prospects. We need someone to replace him on the roster this year. Dom Brown can replace Ibanez.

      Reply
      • Guest

        15 years ago

        yea, I have no idea what I’m doing haha
        and I was in the middle of editing my post when I read what you said, so it’s different now, but possibly equally bad…

        Reply
        • myname_989

          15 years ago

          Doesn’t really meet the Phils’ needs. It’s a good package, but not really what they’re looking for. There’s no front line starter to compete now, Curtis Granderson won’t fit anywhere unless they can move Ibanez, no utility infielder like Wigginton to help out until Utley / Polanco return… The best piece in that deal for the Phils is Alex Liddi. Haha

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      • Lets_Go_Red_Sox

        15 years ago

        Loooooool. Omg werth a superstar?? Philly fans a precious, you probably think Scott hartnell, mike Richards and Kevin Kolb are untradeable superstars also right? Hahahahahaha, thanks for the laugh

        Reply
        • 700Level

          15 years ago

          Are you talking about the Scott Hartnell and the Mike Richards who beat the Bruins in the playoffs after giving them a 3-game head start?
          Now that was funny!

          Reply
  19. Cameron Nelson

    15 years ago

    If the Yankees wanted Werth and wanted him to fit in teh lineup, I’d have Swish start taking fly balls in LF to see how he’d handle it and prepare to lose Gardner or Swisher. As for the proven starter, Javy Vazquez. He may be bad now, but he’s a bust in the AL, good in the NL. Either that, or have Swish DH and just cut Johnson.

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  20. dc21892

    15 years ago

    I see the Red Sox getting Werth. I think they will part with Middlebrooks, Reddick, Navarro and maybe Dice-K and a lower prospect. This will hurt their farm system a little but Werth is someone they’re going to want for years to come.

    Reply
    • M.Kit

      15 years ago

      dice – k would seem to be pretty untradeable

      Reply
      • Jason Klinger

        15 years ago

        Ruben Amaro is on the record as saying the team will focus on bringing in a starting pitcher and hope that the current roster can hold down the fort until Utley and Polanco heal. Werth will go straight up for a starter already on a MLB roster, not prospects, and Brown will be in RF the day after the trade.

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        • dc21892

          15 years ago

          That’s why im trying to say these prospects will be included. They’re still very young and at low levels in the Red Sox system but they sweeten the pot to acquire Werth. Dice-K would benefit in the NL anyways.

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          • Jason Klinger

            15 years ago

            The Phillies have enough question marks among their SPs already (Moyer, Kendrick, Blanton, Happ). They won’t want another one in Dice-K, the human base-on-balls machine.

            Reply
            • dc21892

              15 years ago

              We shall see. Everyone doubts Dice-K but he’s produced over his career. He wasn’t worth as much money as he’s gotten but he has produced.

              Reply
    • chaseiam

      15 years ago

      You are out of your mind! The Phillies will not just give Werth away. He’s one of the best outfielders in the business.

      Reply
      • dc21892

        15 years ago

        ? These kids all have bright futures so nice try. Anyways he’s walking at the end of the season because Philly doesn’t have enough to resign him. And Dice-K has been battling injury, aside from that he can still pitch. And even if they have to step it up the Sox have plenty to offer. Would you rather see him go to the Yanks and get all their C and D level prospect? Their best are going to Seattle and Tampa isn’t going to give up too much to watch Werth AND Crawford walk. The Sox have plenty of prospects and would offer the Phils more than the two picks they will get when he leaves town.

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        • HerbertAnchovy

          15 years ago

          Daisuke is one of the most over-rated pitchers in the game. Another is his team mate John Lackey. I will say, however, that Daisuke has some of the best luck for getting out of jams as anyone I’ve ever seen.

          Reply
    • Potrzeba

      15 years ago

      Werth isn’t the guy to give the farm up for. He’s 31. And a fa. Give the farm up for Miguel cabrera. He’s under contract and young.

      Reply
  21. HerbertAnchovy

    15 years ago

    I think it’s safe to say that the Yankees are interested in any star free agents or free agents to-be.

    Reply
  22. jwredsox

    15 years ago

    I’d rather have Crawford. Infact, I’d give my left leg for Crawford.

    Reply
    • dc21892

      15 years ago

      I’d rather have Crawford too, but the Red Sox gotta wait til he walks from Tampa. Well assuming he does. He wants to be paid and have a legit chance to win each year. Tampa can only pay so many of their players so Crawfords best move is to get out and go to NY or Boston.

      Reply
  23. pageian

    15 years ago

    If the Yanks acquire Lee then they would likely send Vasquez to the Phills for Werth.

    Reply
    • M.Kit

      15 years ago

      rosenthal put the odds of a vazquez – werth swap at 50-1

      Reply
      • jwredsox

        15 years ago

        I’m surprised it’s only 50-1 lol

        Reply
    • Jason Klinger

      15 years ago

      Nor sure that’s a great deal for the Phillies.

      Reply
  24. phillies1996

    15 years ago

    i would reaaaalllly like to trade ibanez and his rediculous contract……but someone named rueben amaro threw in a no trade clause……..dom brown should be left fielder……WERTH STAYS

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    • Jason Klinger

      15 years ago

      The problems, and they are big ones, are Raul’s age and the fact that he has another year at $12.5 million. Phillies would have to give him away AND pay the bulk of his contract.

      Reply
  25. jerseyphanatic

    15 years ago

    Hey Sox fans, would you be willing to trade Lowell for Ibanez straight up?
    I’d love for the Phils to acquire Lowell as bench leader and obviously fill in for Polanco at 3rd while he’s out and allow us to have Polanco cover 2nd when he’s back and Utley is still out. Plus is slaary is off the books at the end of the year and he’d give us the money to pay Werth.

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    • super_saxy

      15 years ago

      I kinda like that idea. Makes some sense actually.

      Reply
    • brian mcgahan

      15 years ago

      No chance. Mike Lowell is more likely to get released than dealt for a guy that is owed 11.5 million next year and is clearly past his prime. I think the Red Sox are an absolute 100% lock to sign either Jayson Werth or Carl Crawford in the offseason, and Raul Ibanez would just get in the way.

      Reply
  26. thegrayrace

    15 years ago

    Hmmmmmm… I’m sure I’m not the first to mention this… but maybe the Phillies should’ve held on to Cliff Lee and traded Jayson Werth for prospects?

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    • Phil Gunther

      15 years ago

      I agree… however I thought they were more optimistic at beginning of the year they could get an extension done w/ Werth. As much as Werth is “expendable” since we have Brown and his free agency, it’d going to be tough without a right handed power bat in the lineup.

      Reply
      • jwredsox

        15 years ago

        plus this means most of their line up will be left handed. Phillies need a righty bat, not another lefty

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  27. Abraham Zapruder

    15 years ago

    Please, Ruben, do not take Dice-K or Papelbumb in any deal for Werth. Thanks.

    Reply
  28. illrhyme

    15 years ago

    RAJ probably gonna take a middle line starter and quality arm for their ‘pen rather than a bunch of prospects for werth. it’s not a bad idea, still i don’t think that trading werth would make them any better. although brown is slugging AAA pitcher’s balls, he’s still a prospect who need a time to adjust to tough major league pitchers. i do agree phils have to do something not by trading prospects, since they’ve done it too much.

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    • Jason Klinger

      15 years ago

      Best-case scenario is Brown comes up and hits like Heyward. Worst case is he comes up and is overwhelmed by MLB pitching for the first few weeks, which would be a killer since you have a no-contact guy in left (Ibanez) and a free swinger in center (Victorino).

      Reply
  29. Rich G

    15 years ago

    Phillies get: Felix Doubrant & Mike Lowell + PTBNL

    Red Sox get: Jayson Werth.

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    • nm344

      15 years ago

      Phils arent interested in prospects for Werth. They will only trade him to improve the current squad.

      Reply
      • dc21892

        15 years ago

        They need to rebuild their farm system so they’re going to get a ML ready player and a few middle of the pack prospects. They would be stupid not to.

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        • nm344

          15 years ago

          Why would they be stupid not to? They have a decent farm at the moment, and they are still competing this year.

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        • illrhyme

          15 years ago

          they dont need some young ML ready craps. barring series of injury like now, their roster is still loaded for next several years. and their lower farm system is full of talented players like singleton james santana cosart may colvin valle… etc. they just need major leaguers or cheap AAAA players who can help right now.

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        • illrhyme

          15 years ago

          they dont need some young ML ready craps. barring series of injury like now, their roster is still loaded for next several years. and their lower farm system is full of talented players like singleton james santana cosart may colvin valle… etc. they just need major leaguers or cheap AAAA players who can help right now.

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  30. Sniderlover

    15 years ago

    I hate the Yankees and the Sox.

    Reply
  31. myname_989

    15 years ago

    Thank you Buster Olney! What would we do without you reporting things that aren’t completely obvious!? Your insight astounds me.

    Reply
  32. redsandyanksfan

    15 years ago

    just throwing this out there. Raul Ibanez for ollie perez? ll

    Reply
  33. super_saxy

    15 years ago

    Good to hear that they want to move Ibanez rather than Werth. I think thats RAJ’s recognition that Ibanez’s contract is a killer.

    Reply
  34. super_saxy

    15 years ago

    Good to hear that they want to move Ibanez rather than Werth. I think thats RAJ’s recognition that Ibanez’s contract is a killer.

    Reply
  35. zolttt

    15 years ago

    i have an honest question… IF the phillies somehow traded werth, perhaps dump ibanez (hearing they will pay half of his salary next year), and turn what they return from werth into a pitcher. Then go out and sign jermaine dye, and call up brown… is that that much of a fall off? no doubt werth is a better player, but i expect brown to hit better than .240, and dye gives them a right handed power bat, brown can steal bases too…and then you get a pitcher you need.

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    • UtleyPhan

      15 years ago

      liking that idea, forgot dye was still out there

      Reply
      • zolttt

        15 years ago

        yeah i just realized he was out there recently, and with all the werth talk im shocked i have not read 1 article mentioning signing him to replace werth on the cheap, to me he’s a better option than mayberry or francisco if they dont call up brown.

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  36. zolttt

    15 years ago

    i have an honest question… IF the phillies somehow traded werth, perhaps dump ibanez (hearing they will pay half of his salary next year), and turn what they return from werth into a pitcher. Then go out and sign jermaine dye, and call up brown… is that that much of a fall off? no doubt werth is a better player, but i expect brown to hit better than .240, and dye gives them a right handed power bat, brown can steal bases too…and then you get a pitcher you need.

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  37. Catztradamus

    15 years ago

    Philly will get a proven starter and at least one top end prospect for Werth. Although I would be willing to part with Werth for Upton and either Hellickson or Jennings. Then you find someone to trade Ibanez to for a bag of balls. Then you fip the prospect plus someone else to Arizona or Houston plus a couple more for Haren or Oswalt.

    Upton in Left, Vic in Center, D Brown gets called up in R.

    Lineup after Polanco back is

    Rollins SS
    VictorinoCF
    Polanco 3b
    Howard 1B
    Upton LF
    Brown RF
    Valdez 2b
    Ruiz C

    Hallady
    Haren/Oswalt
    Hamels
    Blanton
    Moyer/Happ/Kendrick

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    • Dylan

      15 years ago

      I would do Werth straight up for Jennings, but that DEFINITELY won’t happen. Next year an OF of Jenning, Victorino, and Brown would be tops in the league, but the Rays will not trade him for Werth, and also prob. not Upton either.

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    • Dylan

      15 years ago

      Don’t hold your breath, Jennings isn’t going anywhere…Crawford will not resign and he will be in the OF….but that would be amazing (Jennings, Victorino, and Brown)

      Reply
    • Muggi

      15 years ago

      The chances of the Rays trading Jennings or Hellickson are far, far less than the Phils trading Brown…and the Phils aren’t trading Brown.

      Reply
  38. Sean Matrai

    15 years ago

    Beltran straight up for Werth,Switch hitter Phils could use.But his injuries may cause the deal problems

    Reply
  39. Tigerfan93

    15 years ago

    Question: What above average player aren’t the Yankees interested in?

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  40. Kevin Chambers

    15 years ago

    I could see the White Sox going after Ibanez.

    Reply
  41. Cyyoung

    15 years ago

    Sox need to fix their bullpen. Never mind Werth. Crawford is proven in the AL East. Patience.

    Reply
    • DontForgetTheAlcohol

      15 years ago

      I think the sox will get their bullpen help through waivers and small deals, not through big deals.Werth makes perfect sense, with ellsbury’s lost season and overrated value when back, plus Cameron being subpar and unable to play everyday

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  42. 0bsessions

    15 years ago

    As a Sox fan, I’m hoping that my faith in Theo to not hit the panic button over some injuries hold true. This damn near mirrors the Abreu situation in 2006.

    -Early thirties outfielder who is very good, but not exactly Matt Holliday.
    -Injuries galore, looking at possibly missing the playoffs as a result.
    -Fanbase screaming for Theo to make a quick move because of what the Yankees are doing.

    He stood pat then and it paid off. Going out and selling the farm for Werth would be idiotic. With Gardner performing well and the Yanks likely to shoot their wad extending Lee and Jeter, the Sox are in top position to get either Crawford or Werth in free agency. If the injuries put us more than a dozen games out on the Wild Card by the deadline, trade what you can (Maybe trade high on Beltre for some young pieces) and wait for next season. Trading for Werth isn’t going to put the top three of our order back on the field and fix our bullpen. Just stand pat, Theo.

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    • dc21892

      15 years ago

      You’re missing it. The Red Sox are doing ok right now but LF is still a problem. Werth will fill LF and Ellsbury can move back to center. The Red Sox are lacking a solid OF aside from Ellsbury and Drew. The guys up right now are alright but they’re no Jayson Werth. Werth can run, hit and play solid defense. Theo will only make this move at the right cost, he’s not going to give away too much when he knows he has a shot to get him or Crawford this offseason.

      Reply
  43. sephilsfan

    15 years ago

    Typical Todd Zolecki report.. repeating what everyone else said all day. Nice job. Make sure you check his blog for next book signing, the most important news for everyone– NOT!

    Reply
  44. sephilsfan

    15 years ago

    There’s a lot more to trading Werth besides (a) not being able to resign him and (b) letting him walk for nothing. Do a little research on the internet to find out why they need to move him. Has nothing to do with his .172 average with men in scoring position. It will be the untold story when he is traded.

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    • Dylan

      15 years ago

      I’m guessing your talking about the Utley/Werth thing? You really believe it?

      Reply
  45. sephilsfan

    15 years ago

    Believe or not, the reports are out there from pretty good sources and it has become a lockerroom distraction and Werth has become “a problem” of late. Noticed before all this started making the rounds Werth and Utley never shake hands, high five, bump fists, etc. in the dugout and walk right past each other. Also, Utley moved from his center city apt. to place in Jersey in May.

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    • Dylan

      15 years ago

      that’s a shame.

      Reply
    • HerbertAnchovy

      15 years ago

      I could see that. Werth seems like he has a pretty high opinion of himself. That’s just how it looks to me, could be wrong.

      Reply
  46. Prince_Fielders_Donuts

    15 years ago

    Maybe the Giants? Neal for Werth?

    Reply
  47. BobM

    15 years ago

    Vazquez is the only thing that really makes sense. Theres not many other contending teams with a surplus of starting pitching.

    If the rumor of whats going on in the club house is true… Werth could be moved for far less.

    Id also trade Raul Ibanez for a Chipolte Burrito.

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  48. JDortmunder

    15 years ago

    Can you imagine the leverage–for an ’11 deal– Werth would have with the RS if they gave 3 of their top 5 prospects? He could ask for 17mil and the RS would have to take the two draft picks because they wouldn’t do that. Werth is good and I’d like to have him but not this season. It’s too costly. Maybe in Nov., though my first choice is Crawford. Until then I’d rather have DeJesus, who would be easy to deal or not pick up his C’ option if that’s what you wanted for ’11. Werth is not having a first-rate walk year.

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