7:26pm: Capozzi corrected an error in his post, adding that he has "no idea" what kind of contract Vazquez is looking for (Twitter link).
3:33pm: Joe Capozzi of The Palm Beach Post reports that Vazquez is "said to be seeking" a three-year deal worth $33MM, almost identical to his last contract. I guess there's no harm in asking.
2:54pm: The Marlins and Javier Vazquez are known to have interest in each other, and manager Edwin Rodriguez said he met with the free agent right-hander in Puerto Rico this morning on the Marlins Insider Show. "Hopefully we can get him and put him in that rotation," said Rodriguez, who has known Vazquez since he was a teenager according to Juan C. Rodriguez of The Sun Sentinel (Twitter link). The two share the same hometown.
President of Baseball Operations Larry Beinfest confirmed the team's interest in adding to their rotation earlier in the show, saying "There's some speculation out there that we're on some starting pitching … I think that's fair to say." Reports have indicated that the Marlins only have $3-4MM left to spend this offseason, which might not be enough to land Vazquez even coming off his down year. He made $11.5MM in 2010.
I examined the 34-year-old's free agent stock last month, saying that he's a potential bargain on a short-term, low-money deal. Surely that's what the Marlins have in mind.
So much for him going to the Marlens unless they talk him down. Because 3/33 wont work for Flordia.
“I guess there’s no harm in asking.” Yeah, tell that to Johnny Damon. If Vazquez brings that crap to the Marlins they’ll say, “Okay….. NEXT!”
I don’t think that will work for anybody.
3/33 wont work for anyone. i see more of a brett myers-ish 1yr 3-4m team option for next year w/ a buyout.
I really want to see him sign with the Marlins and pitch for the Marlins next year…We’d be awesome with him and I think we’re going to be awesome regardless…Our team is finally starting to be what some have envisioned it to be for a couple of years…Pen’s unhitable…Rotation’s awesome…Defense is a ton better, power, speed…average…What more?
PLEASE tell me you’re joking? The pen is unhittable? The pen was horrible last year and has been basically completely revamped, so nobody has no idea how good or bad it will be. Hard to imagine a pen that young being dominant immediately though….They just traded their biggest power threat for a utility infielder and the Braves 3rd best LOOGY, who has control issues and is inexperienced. Marlins made an already good team better while getting worse. Morrison, Sanchez, Stanton, all exciting players…..but I don’t see the Marlins being any better than they were in 2010. Still a couple of years away, imo.
Trading Uggla wont affect us like you say it will. I loved Uggla here, and am upset he is gone…but if you look up a lot of his homers and RBI’s they often werent so meaningful. Lots of solo homers. Plus last year was his best year ever, and he usually hits around .245 and only passed 92 RBIs once. Im sure he will do a lot better in Atlanta with better support, but if a full year of Stanton and Morrison work out the way they want, him leaving wont be a big deal. Granted, its a lot to ask of two rookies but we’ll see how it goes. Also you can go read it everywhere, but there was no market for Uggla. just they jays and braves, and the jays were offering prospects and the braves 2 major league ready guys, no one else made any offer or inquiry. I like what Dunn bring to the table and while you think they sold low, he is a one year rental player. ….kinda just wanted to vent, even though i partially agree with you. And now the Pen can be unhittable, but again a lot will be asked of Evan Reed, Dunn, and Webb who are all young.
So you’re a Marlins fan, SPAN? I always wondered what team you were a fan of.
Call me a Baseball fan. Every team!
Oh, i see. How do you like the Dodgers?
I like the Dodgers a lot! Great bunch of young players, interesting farm system, Great ballpark, great area around the ballpark, great deli called Greenblaty’s near the park, lousy management, bad owner, but I do like the Dodgers all in all and think they should get in on Greinke.
I also like Kenley Jansen a lot. I’d I could have 7 kenley’s in my pen i’d be extremely happy!
i love hearing you talk about the marlins, most marlins fans dont have enough knowledge. so keep it coming
Thanks man. I appreciate it, and you got it!
Thanks man. I appreciate it, and you got it!
gotta hand it to you, not many people can be that objective.
but he said he was a mets fan on the new link with the mets manager. i am confused. how can you root for two teams in the same division, and two teams that have a history of not liking each other?
3/33 seems like a lot for Vazquez after the season he put up. At the end of the day I’m going to guess he gets 2-3/16-24.
For what? His loss of velocity and his 5+ ERA?
At best, he should get a 1yr/5-6.
Loss of velocity doesn’t mean a thing. You can pitch without throwing 93+. His 5+ era comes from yet another struggle in the AL East. It’s clear that’s not the place for him. There should be a lot of interest in him for 3-5 spots. If Marquis got 8M a year it’s safe to say Vazquez can get it. Free agency is about paying for past performance. His time in the AL East has been dreadful both times. Away from there Vazquez has done well his whole career.
Free agency is about paying for past performance? I guess that must be why Buck got 3yr/18 mil.
He could pitch away from the AL East but he is in no position to demand multi-year or anything above 5-6 at best. He needs to prove first he can come back before having these types of demand and just because he has been successful doesn’t mean much especially when you lose velocity and while he is not retirement age, he is still 34 and losing velocity is a major red flag.
He should just take a 1yr-4 mil from Marlins and build his value.
Too bad you’re not a GM and most likely never will be. I can guarantee Vasquez will take the year off if the only offer he gets is 4 million.
i dont see him getting offered much more. his numbers last year were pretty sorry. i think he’ll get 1yr deal for 4m with a team option for next season at 8-10m w/ a buyout of 1 or 2m. so i guess it’d be called a 1yr 5 or 6m. i think more than that is a mistake.
The SP market outside of Lee is pretty weak. Vazquez just the year before had a sub-3 ERA and 231 Ks. He’ll could get 3/33.
Even that seems high. Some of it will depend on what somebody like Garland is able to land. Vazquez should be happy if he gets something in the range of 5-6 million/year for 2 years with a club option for a third.
3yrs @ 33mil for a pitcher with dead arm issues. Any team would be mad too even offer close to that
3 years/33 million… is Vazquez high?
There’s no way that figure is correct unless he wants to be unemployed next season. If its true, that just speaks about how much greedy this guy has. I say 8 million over two years. Take it or leave it. Plus he gets to be 1-2 hours by flight from PR.
Yea you’re right…..greedy. Let’s not mention Jeter wanting a 6 year deal/asking for 20 million+ a year. It’s called negotiating. Your price is 10 bucks. If you go into a negotiation immediately asking for 10 bucks, you’ll end up getting 7 bucks. You go in asking for 15-20 bucks, it’s almost assured you’ll get 10.
Please sign Javy before November 23 so that the Yankees can get the pick from him being a Type-B without having to offer arb in a scenario where he would have a choice to accept.
He is going to end up signing with them, but no way the Marlins can afford to pay him what he wants. He should be signed to a two year, $14,000,000 contract.
I like that you wrote out all of the zeros, sounds like more that way.
Vazquez is not gonna get that, especially from the Marlins. Considering he had a terrible year, and if playing close to Puerto Rico is important to him, he would take a discount. If I was flordia, I’d offer him 1/8 mill, maybe 2/15.
Maybe the Marlins could have afforded Vazquez if they didn’t overpay the heck out of John Buck.
yeah, they did overpay. no doubt. the good news is that he should make the marlins pitching staff better though. i don’t know if you can put a dollar amount on that.
“i don’t know if you can put a dollar amount on that.”
Yes, you can. It’s often what good GMs do.
do you really want to talk about “good gm’s” when you are a mets fan?
I’m sorry, am I responsible for who they hire? Or is it possible I just root for the team. Yeah, I think it’s the latter.
Trust me, I’m very aware of my team’s weaknesses–if you look back at most of my posts revolving around the Mets, you’d see this.
But back to the point of the argument, it is the job of a GM to “put a dollar amount” on free agent talent. I’m pretty confident Buck and his agent were utterly surprised when the Marlins handed them a 3 year, $18 million offer.
my point is, beinfest has kept us competitive for his run as gm, and a world series championship in 2003. all of this under a very small budget. if he thinks overpaying for buck to get his pitching in line is what needs to be done, i’ll trust him. and, ps, if you read my post, i said they over payed for buck.
Beinfest has been a great GM, but his most recent moves have been very suspect.
i think that miggy trade has everyone wondering. but what would have been if those players lived up to what they were supposed to be. then we would say the opposite. it didn’t, unfortunately for the marlins. the trades this season seem more aggressive than normal, which has me skeptical. your right, they are suspect as of now. i guess this next season will be the only way to tell.
The difference between the Miggy and Uggla trades was that the Marlins received two of the Tigers top prospects for Miggy. Beinfest was only able to nab a backup infielder who had a career year and a lefty reliever.
i think this was because of uggla asking for too much, not the marlins not wanting to keep him. what they got in return, which does not equal uggla at all, might equal one year of uggla, which is what it is. remember uggla had a break out year this year. his avg. is much lower and defense has always been poor. what this does do for the marlins is strengthen the defense and help a bullpen that blew a lot of leads after the 7th last year. i am not down on that trade. i am more curious about the maybin trade. i still think he is going to be something.
Uggla basically put up the same numbers he always does, just with a higher AVG. He’ll do the same next year with the Braves 30-32 HR, 90-100 RBI, .350+ OBP. Exactly what the Braves needed. Marlins may have been better off just taking the draft picks. Infante won’t repeat the year he had in 2010 and is a FA after 2011.
I’m aware of the contract situation, but that doesn’t mean his value is reduced to peanuts. While he certainly had a better overall season in 2010 than any other season, remember, he has hit 30 HR in four consecutive seasons.
I agree with you about the Maybin deal. That was a very un-Marlins-esq deal. If anything, the Marlins are usually on the receiving end of those types of deals.
i agree.
In Beinfest’s defense…
He was offered Goins/Mastroianni (one of the two) and Josh Roenicke and Danny Farquahar and he was offered Omar Infante and Michael Dunn…Which one would you have taken when both are pretty light?
Plus, it’s hard to function when you have an owner who doesn’t want to spend money…It’s a challenge.
“Which one would you have taken when both are pretty light?”You reject the offers and wait until the trade deadline when a playoff team wants to add a MI who hits 30+ HR. And if no one does (for some strange reason), you take the Type A compensation picks and stock the farm.
just like his Dan Uggla move, got nothing in return.
3 years / $33 MM for Vazquez after the year he had in 2010 ??????? Boy, you have to have some base”BALLS” !!! There is a difference between asking for the Sun, Moon, and stars, and highway robbery. Man, he must have been smoking some good stuff since the season ended. No shame, no accepting responsibility for the lack of performance. Don’t you just love what our PC world has become ?? Gee, if Javier reads this, I hope I didn’t hurt his inner feeling of self-worth. LOL, LMAO. How about a 1 year / $500,000.00 and a ” lets see what we have this spring”. Heck, the Mick played his career in an era where you signed a 1 year contract, and, if you had a crappy year (like Vazquez did), you went into negotiations EXPECTING a pay cut. Only question was how much of a pay cut !! This was the Mantle who played his entire career with what is now called a, “torn ACL”. What a bunch of pansies today. Why don’t we all just march over to mamby-pamby land and get Javier a shrink ? Jack wagon !!
So true, so painfully true! If everyone could be like Ripken and Gherig…
i would guess that the marlins will get him for less than he is asking, and only two years. but, they will need to get rid of nunez in that case to keep in budget. i would be surprised to see the marlins go over 55 million, as they have stated.
I wouldn’t even give Vazquez 5mill/per year. He is crazy, he had an awful awful year, lost 5 mph on his fastball and his control was horrible. He also had arm problems for the first time in his career. It does not make sense.
There’s still a chance…..
Just a small typo.
33 for 3 years?! WHAT A JOKE!!!
If he really wants to be a Marlin, he will sign a respectable contract and not overprice us. 1 year for 3 or 4 million with an option for a 2nd year is a good place to start in my opinion.