After missing out on both Pete Alonso and Kyle Schwarber, the Red Sox continue to pursue upgrades for their lineup. One target they’re recently looked into, according to MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo, is Cardinals first baseman Willson Contreras.
Of course, the Red Sox and Cardinals already completed one trade sending a notable veteran to Boston; right-hander Sonny Gray was traded to the Sox in exchange for righty Richard Fitts and minor league lefty Brandon Clarke earlier in the offseason. (The Cardinals included $20MM in cash to help facilitate the swap.) Like Gray, Contreras is a veteran on a pricey contract with a full no-trade clause who St. Louis would like to move in order to clear payroll and create opportunities for younger players.
However, while Gray was very clear about his willingness to waive his no-trade clause this winter, Contreras has been more on the fence. The catcher-turned-first-baseman said at season’s end that he would consider certain scenarios but preferred to remain in St. Louis. Contreras has reportedly warmed a bit to the idea of approving a trade as the offseason has progressed, but he’s still going to be particular about his potential destination. It’s not yet clear to which teams Contreras would be willing to approve a trade, but he’d presumably prefer a contender. Boston clearly checks that box.
The fit in Boston is a natural one. First base was a question mark throughout the 2025 season. Young slugger Triston Casas struggled through a cold spell for the first three weeks and then suffered a season-ending knee injury just as he was beginning to show signs of emerging from that slump. Boston turned to Romy Gonzalez, Abraham Toro and eventual free agent pickup Nathaniel Lowe for much of the season. Gonzalez thrived against left-handed pitching but was below-average against righties, as is typical for him. Toro struggled and was eventually outrighted off the roster. Lowe performed decently down the stretch but was non-tendered due to a hefty arbitration price and a poor four months to begin the season.
Acquiring Contreras, who’s batted .256/.356/.461 (130 wRC+) across the past four seasons, would add an everyday option to the lineup and allow Gonzalez to be deployed in more of a utility role. Though he’s new to first base, Contreras made a smooth transition to the position in 2025. The longtime catcher had a poor defensive reputation behind the dish but turned in solid marks for his glovework at his new defensive home. Statcast’s Outs Above Average metric pegged him as a positive defender (+6), and Defensive Runs Saved had him as a nearly average defender (-1). Those numbers could feasibly improve a bit as he takes even more reps at the position.
Contreras is earning $36.5MM over the next two seasons and has a $5MM buyout on a $17.5MM club option for the 2028 season. That remaining $41.5MM in guaranteed money is roughly in line with market value — at least in terms of average annual value — for a first baseman who’ll turn 34 next May. Christian Walker landed a three-year, $60MM contract covering his age-34 through age-36 seasons just last winter, for instance.
For the Red Sox, the $20.75MM in remaining AAV would put them over the luxury tax threshold, though given their pursuit of so many notable free agents and trade targets, that doesn’t seem like it’ll be a big impediment this time around. If the Sox don’t want to go too far beyond the tax line, the Cardinals’ inclusion of $20MM in the Gray trade shows a clear willingness to pay down salary in exchange for a better return. Those prior talks surely gave both parties an idea of which remaining players in Boston’s system would be of interest. And while it may not be a deciding factor in Contreras’ decision, the familiarity of having former teammates like Gray and Aroldis Chapman already on the roster could be somewhat of a perk.

Get Contreras and JoJo Romero while they’re at it. Expect to see several Red Sox/Cardinals trades with Bloom in charge in St.Louis
Donovan and Romero
For what return?
Abreu and Sandlin?
Definitely not
Rsox – I’m getting a sinking feeling the “RH Power Bat” that Breslow has been saying he has made a top priority is gonna come via a catcher like Contreras or Realmuto, combined they averaged only 16 HR last season.
He seems to be intent on replacing Wong, this is shades of Danny Jansen all over again.
Contreras isnt a catcher any more
Ketch – I wouldn’t put it past them to have him catch again, he caught 51 games just last year.
0 games caught last year…
Fever, I look at Contreras as a Mike Napoli type move. Winning in 13 was a surprise and was due to Papi. This club currently needs that true bopper bat. A trade depends on the exchange be it players or money. I like Contreras but I’m not sure I’d give back much given the contract and how it could affect other moves.
FPG – because he’s 34yo you already know this isn’t happening….but, say it did, id almost rather have him be a part time Catcher and part time DH than play 1B.
Cases is 25 and makes no money. It’s sink or swim time for him, and personally, im inclined to find out if he can swim
dewey – NESN keeps reporting the Sox will sign Murakami, how does that make you feel?
Sad – Same here, give the guy (Casas) one more chance if he can stay healthy. I guess my memory is too damn good, I remember how he raked in 2023 and early 2024.
FPG – Casas was best when he took a lot of pitches and hammered the mistake. When they told him he needed to be more aggressive and swing more is when he looked the worst.
Thanks Driveline
Nacho – Incorrect, Baseball-Reference is your friend.
51 games caught last year
baseball-reference.com/players/c/contrwi01.shtml
0 games caught last season, 51 games caught last year. You win the argument on a technicality…
No, he caught no games last season. He caught 51 in 2024, 2 seasons ago
card – You’re trying to shame me for being correct? LOLOL!!
One year ago may seem soooooo long ago to you, but it’s not.
perk – Exactly, just like I said! I think Nacho just got his seasons mixed up. No worries, I like his handle BTW.
Sad, if they get Contreras, Casas is probably traded
Fever, I was high on Yoshida…I haven’t seen him hit so we should “trust” ownership (lol).
Fever, don’t ask me to judge this disagreement because I too inferred last year to mean the season that just ended. While not theoretically correct, once the season ends, last season = last year in my book. I’m not waiting three more weeks…
Dewey- unless Casas is part of a package for a TOR starter I can’t trade a guy, who we dont know what he is and is 25yo, at his lowest possible value….
Sad, if he can pass a physical, Casas is dealt based on his potential or as you said in a package for an ace. I just see Contreras being a full time player and Casas is not a bench type player.
Agreed. He’s just about even in the splits dept too at .796/.814 which is a huge help balance wise. I don’t think this team needs to bulk up, it just needs natural maturation of some pretty great young talent, Casas included. Keep Romy, bring back Ref and like everybody look for more and better pitching.
I am assuming that Casas and Abreu,if healthy will hit over 30 home runs.Again if healthy,I see Anthony and Mayer hitting 20 -25.Same as Story.
Cup half full as always, eh, Fever?
stel – I had been saying for months the Sox will finally try to win next season, and I’m still saying I’ll wait until Opening Day before forming an opinion on the offseason.
And oh yeah, I’ve also been saying they will likely bring back Breggy, sign Eugenio or trade for Marte.
And I’ve been saying they could trade for Peralta and Skubal.
So yeah, lots of optimism from me as usual. Will they prove once again they’ve deceived us? Time will tell.
It’s interesting Fever on that they could be waiting for the new CBA before more long term signings. If that is the case and they would just state that, I’d have no issue with moderate changes this season. It’s the deception and lies that bothers me.
dewey – I guess it’s possible, but asking Sox fans to wait yet another year for them to try and win is a mighty big ask. Wasting a prime year of Crochet, Chapman, Anthony would be quite a shame.
Fever, the Sox are trying to thread that needle like in 13. I’m not saying they will sell off assets but given the uncertainty after 26, I’m thinking Henry is going to put his long term money into things that will provide a stable, acceptable return.
We’ve been lied to but we’ve been lied to every off season . The Red Sox are the kings of interest, interested in all big name players but never pulling the trigger
fitted – That’s exactly it. The past two offseasons and the past two trade deadlines they led us to believe they will make huge improvements ….. obviously, they lied each time.
So I don’t blame anyone for not trusting them now.
That’s just nuts, I’m sorry. Crochet, Bregman and Chapman last year. As good an off season as anyone. They extended Chapman. They won 89 games after the miserable Devers affair the impossible to foresee Casas injury and Houck blowing out his elbow. “Lied to us” is strong, considering where we are in the off season and that there are 29 other teams, several with plenty of dough and brains. Contreras plus Bregman wouldn’t be terrible—nor would Okamoto or Bichette. Murakami makes me nervous with his k rate vs speed, and Suarez also is prone to huge stretches of .200 batting average. Plenty of time to get two really good bats, good gloves and a solid arm.
stel – Crochet was a trade, not a free agent signing. They extended him after the trade.
Bregman was a one-year $31M rental, everyone on the planet knew he would opt out.
Loved the Chapman signing, but it was only $10.75M. They weren’t even close to signing any of the major free agents. They spent what, $62M in total?
I agree with you the way they handled Devers was a very dark period in Red Sox history. They wanted a salary dump, and they got it. Now karma has grabbed ahold of them as they frantically try to replace Raffy’s power.
They say they are GFIN at the trade deadline, then all they do is Matz and May? Are you kidding me? Of course that was a lie, just like Full Throttle.
Like I said, I’ll wait until Opening Day before passing judgement on the offseason.
Full throttle was just dumb. The trade deadline? Most teams whiffed. I thought May was a good get but didn’t realize he had degraded so much. The Blue Jays did great with the reliever from the Twins but he’d been bad all year before that. Nobody got Ryan, and Bieber was a Paxson-like crapshoot who happened to work out. The trade deadline that was so awful in 24 led to Breslow getting Crochet last off season. There’s a rhythm to these things, and “you can’t always get what you want.” I’d like to see them get Bregman and either Marte or Okamoto, but I’d live with either Suarez or Contreras. Two bats and a solid arm. Or show us Henry’s books so they don’t have to send Breslow and Kennedy out to blow smoke.
stel – I’m afraid to ask, but how do you think an awful 2024 trade deadline resulted in Crochet? Did the White Sox feel sorry for Breslow or something?
stel – Most teams whiffed? How many teams were a) In a position to contend and b) Had needs that needed to be filled?
Padres got Mason Miller
Astros got Correa
Mariners got Suarez
Phillies got Jhoan Duran
Yanks got Bednar
Mets got Helsley
Jays got Bieber
That’s just off the top of my head. Plenty of big names moved to contenders, none moved to the Sox.
FACT: The only impact trade deadline player they’ve gotten since Eovaldi was Schwarber in 2021, and that was a very cheap lottery ticket because he was injured at the time.
FPG – heard an interesting comment on MLBN that struck a cord with me. “The methodical, analytical, deliberate front office often times isn’t able to know when its time to put their foot down on the accelerator”, Steve Philips.
How true! In Breslow’s case he can’t get a feeling for what’s happening at a trade deadline. To me, it seemed like he knew he needed to “do something”, but wasn’t able to get a sense of the fact that the A.L. was wide open.
To not completely kill him, maybe that comes with experience. But, there is no defending the results. He was awful at the deadline.
Moreover, there comes a time when you need to put your foot on the accelerator leading into a season where, you already have a playoff team, and all of your competitors are making their teams better. This is not being reckless, far from it. But, for example, when youre 15th in homeruns and youre seemingly losing homeruns from your lineup, you need to add power.
There’s still time and options. I could definitely see two years of Suarez as an option. I dont feel he would be comfortable with signing one of the japanese players (even though Henry would like that from a branding perspective) but, honestly, i’m not optimistic.
The Red Sox put their foot on the accelerator last season. Trading for Crochet, signing Bregman and bringing up Early and Tolle when they didn’t need to shows they were going for it. They just didn’t like any potential deals at the deadline for more impactful players. Breslow doesn’t like to be on the losing side of lopsided deals and I like that. Deals didn’t get done at the deadline because Breslow didn’t like them or the other team didn’t like them. It wasn’t due to lack of effort or lack of knowing what the team needed. You should read the quotes from Breslow in this article:
masslive.com/redsox/2025/08/craig-breslow-explains…
Breslow: “We tried to work through different combinations of guys. We didn’t approach some of these conversations as though any players were off-limits. We couldn’t line up. We were pursuing multiple impact players. On the other side, teams that were operating as sellers were trying to juggle different concepts. For whatever reason, we weren’t able to line up.”
Suit – I honestly respect your posts, and, while good people can debate what the Bregman signing was/wasnt, I think that we all thought that we were moving forward.
Then Devers. Again, good people can debate that until the end of time.
At the end of July the American League was there for the taking. Early and Tolle made a combined 7 starts. Buehler was dfa’d.
You can’t convince me that the Sox number one rated farm system couldn’t beat the deal that the Mariners gave up for Suarez. You also can’t tell me that there wasn’t another SP to be had beyond Dustin May.
I dont trust what Breslow says. Imo, he is a straight-up liar. At this point actions speak louder than words.
Thanks, but I just don’t see the horrible things you see. I am pretty sure most of the starting pitchers that were traded did not perform well for most of the time after the trade deadline. I’m glad the Red Sox did not beat what Texas paid for Merrill Kelley which was 3 minor league pitchers. Why would the Red Sox acquire Suarez? He has never played 1B and they already had a 3B and DH. I don’t think Breslow spins things any more than any other front office executive I’ve seen.
Steldar – the simple reason for the improvement in team wins and making the playoffs was Crochet, and, my mom could’ve made the trade for Crochet.
Signed Bregman, which was always a rental, and then lost Devers, so nothing gained there.
With all due respect to the mlb’ers that stand on the right side of the infield, haven’t had a 2B since Pedroia.
Not saying Breslow is horrible. The description I’ve been using is: inconsistent, but with a downward trend.
I thought the Gray trade was an overall positive. If they bring in Suarez on a two year deal I would give Breslow a B- for the off season.
My two biggest concerns are: overall roster construction and real time assessments, both of which he has shown no feel for.
Sad – After everything I’ve read today, I’m beginning to have my doubts about them signing anyone for more than 3 years …. even Breggy Beer Man.
Sad – Great post! I have mixed feelings about Breslow. When he arrived, I really thought he was an honorable guy that would bring class and integrity to the position.
Maybe it’s because John and Sam molded him in their image, but I don’t feel the same way about Breslow anymore.
Sad – I think you also have to include Chapman and Whitlock as prime reasons for the increase in wins. They were the best relief duo in MLB.
Contreras straight up for Yoshida…. otherwise…. no thanks
Cooper, while I think a healthy Yoshida will show everyone how good he really is, why would St. Louis do that? It would have to be a three team deal.
LMFAO. OK. then no thanks. Contreras is better than Yoshida on BOTH sides of the diamond
One guy I never really thought about because I just took it for granted he’d be returning to NYY, is Bellinger. He doesn’t bring a RH bat, but would bring some much needed power, and positional versatility including first base. I’d be intrigued to explore a potential fit there.
Dirty – The chances of Belli coming to the Sox are less than Bregman, Tucker, Suarez, Murakami or Bo coming.
Sox are not gonna outbid the Yanks, and how much power would they gain by replacing Abreu with him?
Dirty – of these two big free agents, Bellinger or Bichette, both will command 6yrs and $175m. I’d rather have Bichette. More than that, id rather have Okamoto
But, let’s be honest, Henry isn’t paying neither one of those two guys.
Call me crazy, but I see one year of Rhys Hoskins in our future…..
sad – Suarez can probably be had for $60-$80M, he’s priced right for the Sox.
Fever—I hope reading 0 for 4 in the box scores for weeks on end makes you smile.
stel – You’ll love Suarez the moment he signs with the Sox, and you know it.
4 homers in one game just a few months ago, he will sell a ton of tickets.
Bellinger is hoping the Mets bid up his value because he’s worth more to the Yankees than anywhere else. I still don’t see him getting a long high AAv deal.
I’m completely dreaming here and I know it, but imagine a front office that had more money than God and a desire to reshape the current hodgepodged roster into something that makes more sense.
Could trade Abreu and a controllable younger pitcher to pick up someone like Peralta, or start with that and add a couple prospects to get one of the Marlins starters.
Then sign Bichette to play short and move Story over to second.
And as the cherry on top go out and grab Belli or Suarez to plug the hole at first base
But the Red Sox are cheap, so we’re probably gonna end up with Paul Goldschmidt or Ty France, plus yet another reunion with Rich Hill.
Dirty, Bichette is the hitter I’d sign now but he would play second. He is not a shortstop.
Dirty- The big thing with Peralta is they need to sign him to a long term contract to make it worth what they would have to give up to get him. I am not a fan of rentals that cost a significant haul.
I am still hoping they make a few significant moves rather than picking up some scraps from the bottom of the free agent bin.
Uncle Pedro – agreed a Peralta trade would need to come with an extension. I don’t view that as an impossible feat though, unless I am missing something? Is he adamant about testing the market no matter what? I thought it was just a foregone conclusion he’ll be a FA soon because Milwaukee can’t afford him. The Red Sox certainly can/could, but will be more about whether they choose to. Which they should, and in my dream would.
Contreras didn’t have “sexy” numbers but his 20 Home Runs and 80 Runs Batted In were far better than what the Sox ran out there last year. I still have a small gleam of hope that Casas figures it out and stays healthy but the team needs real options. I do wonder if the Sox could kill two birds with one stone and maybe get Contreras and Arenado in exchange for Yoshida to at least offset salary and lesson the prospect return. The Cardinals get a couple of lesser prospects and get rid of two contracts they don’t really want in exchange for one bad deal coming back
Rsox- I dont want to do mental gymnastics to justify bringing in a 34yo former catcher who stands at first base.
If thats what is gonna happen I would much rather roll the dice on either of the two Japanese infielder, maybe you win the lottery.
Contreras is more uninspiring middling crap, that says 88-91 wins and 3rd place in the ALEast
Rsox- If Bregman had not been injured he likely would have had similar numbers as he had 18 home runs, so if they don’t bring him back Contreras is going to put us in the same position as last year.
With Arenado showing a natural decline with age, I am not sure how much of an improvement he will provide compared to the players we have in house. They also don’t have a need for Yoshida so don’t see them taking his contract.
I threw in Arenado as a pure salary dump (which if you look at it, the whole trade proposal is salary dumping on both sides). At one year left in his deal, maybe getting to play pepper with the Green Monster could squeeze out that one last decent season
Rah power bat falls under the category of “Red Sox showing interest “..))
Fever- They may want to improve at catching but I don’t see either of those two options as having the offensive impact that is going to make a difference. You could add one of them as long as you add another bat. It mentioned Contreras not being a great defensive catcher so don’t know if that would be the best place for him if the Sox did get him.
Ideally there are other more impactful options. If we end up keeping Yoshida, I still think if healthy he will get on base. We just need the bat to get him home.
Contreras alone hit 20 last year
Devers hit 35 homeruns so when he was traded they lost the big power bat. Bregman hit close to 20 but they still were lacking the big bat to get runs in close games. Contreras would provide similar numbers to Bregman, so without another bat they will likely struggle driving in runs.
Mets not going to get anyone
Presumptive favorites for both Tucker and Murakami, and I would guess Framber too. They’ll get at least one of those.
Tucker plays the same position as Soto, and I don’t see Soto moving off of right field for no one.
Tucker has played plenty of left and can handle center too.
seamaholic, Tuck has not played LF since 2020. A better fit for the Mets would be Bellinger.
Soto going to be DH before long.
If they dont sign a big bopper at DH, exprct Soto to play 50+”games at DH minimum esp if they bring Tucker over
@fred: Never underestimate people’s tendency to overrate the only-pretty-good Tucker. It’s almost pathological. (And now some nerd will lecture me about his WAR, that pointless pseudo-statistic).
Not for no one, but for someone he would.
Soto has 460 games in LF vs 603 in RF. He played LF 154 games for the Padres in 2023 and a few for the Yankees in 2024. No reason to believe he wouldn’t move for a better defensive RF.
I love when people show their ignorance of the game so completely in one short comment.
Presumptive favorites? Only in your mind. Unlikely they get any of them, certainly not Tucker or Valdez.
Everyone seems in on Tucker and most everyone also has no sense of urgency to sign him.
Still a long time before spring training though.
Mets and Cardinals have the same needs. Outfield and rotation are the immediate needs for both, the Cardinals are covered at 1b behind Contreras though.
Difference between Mets and Cardinals…
The Mets are in a win-now mode. Cardinals are just beginning a rebuild, and seeking to tank for slow position and bonus pool just like Bloom’s MO in Boston
We know the financial belt is tight. So, I came up with a few ideas to help ol John Henry get through these hard times. Just a few suggestions with real ROI impact.
– cancel Zoom meeting subscription, no need to sub if you’re not gonna pull a trigger
– peanuts can be recycled from the ground, Franklin Zoon can also contribute
– fire the grounds crew, hire a local kid in high school
– charge players for $1,000/game for parking
– raise $75 bleacher seats to $300 and NESN $500/month
I think u got two good points.
Charge players for parking and
Make ground crew an internship job for agricultural students and vendors internships for marketing n sales majors
Hard times demand creative solutions. This is a good start!
Replace the front office with chatGPT is a no braner.
He could also get a side hustle, and stop buying so much avocado toast. Nobody wants to work these days.
Allow companies to sponsor artists to paint the monster every week. Mural changes once a week. Advertisement can only take 10%, mural 90%.
The Mural Monster.
He’s too old. We’ve noticed the pattern here.
Next…
It’s almost like good young proven players are really hard to come by
He would be great in that ballpark around those young hitters.
This is a move the redsox should make. This guy is a proven winner and will help make the redsox a playoff team again.
Even though hes not a catcher anymore, he knows the game and will help the young guys in many facets.
All while putting up a line of 290/.365/449 w 28 homers 105 rbi 44 doubles and 31 steals.
Plus his contract is not underwater so cardinals will get something of value perhaps Casas +.
Redsox add him n Bregman, the offenses become completely loaded in the AL beast
Now whomever gets the best pitching wins the division
31 steals? The same Willson Contreras with 37 steals in his 10 year career?
who are you talking about?
I think both Contreras and Arenado are good fits for the Red Sox. Perhaps both of them plus Romero for Marcelo Mayer.
Arenado is washed up. Contreras would be good though
Arenado is not washed up. Probably better than Mayer in 2026.
Arenado’s is washed up. Go through his year by year StatCast and tell me another conclusion
Yet someone else who missed how Arenado was playing hurt and was hitting much better after returning from the IL for the last couple weeks of the season.
A few solid weeks at the end of the year doesn’t erase the fact he saw a significant dip in OPS in 2023 and 2024.
Its his age 35 season. Those injuries will come more often and his performance will continue to drop. Its a fact of life. In baseball we have such a great handle on stats that we can plot the increase in injuries and drop in production with a high degree of probability.
Arenado had a 1.3 WAR, .666 OPS, and 84 wRC+. Using historical numbers in expansion era baseball for players his age we can expect that those numbers will fall between 12 and 15% in 2026 and then 25 to 30% in 2027.
Because his numbers have already fallen so steeply from his career year in 2022, the decline may be even worse. But lets just go with the historical average.
Of course there are always outliers, but the ones that have fallen 3 straight years to his very low level of production rarely bounce back to anything above the average for their past 3 seasons.
I was a huge Arenado fan in his first few seasons in Colorado because of his exceptional defense, so I hope he will turn out to be one of the handful of outliers in the past 65 years.
What is his split against LH pitching?
.294/.339 BA against lefties in 102 AB plus
Maybe if they take Yoshida or hicks in return?
But it does erase his terrible July for analysis purposes and prove that he’s still approximately a league average hitter with great defense.
Once again, his full season numbers for 2025 are absolutely meaningless for 2026 predictions given how he was PLAYING HURT in July.
His monthly 2025 OPS+ splits when actually healthy were 111, 71, 102, and 95. Overall, it comes to an OPS+ of 95.
As such, we should only expect his offensive numbers to RISE back close to league average in 2026, maybe a little drop to around 90 or so for another year of aging, but along with his still excellent defense that makes him far from washed up.
Even if he does get hurt again, he most likely will not spend an entire month trying to play through it again.
Lanidrac – come’on! He was not great offensively, and his defense was uninspiring. He won the offseason because he bought some rookies a couple of suits?!?! And now a year older….
If we are spending that amount of money for an infielder, I want Bichette!
So we should still be expecting a below average hitter? A 90-95 OPS+ may be better than what he put up in 2025, but unless the Cardinal eat like 75%+ of his remaining contract, why should anyone trade for him?
This is all assuming he is at 100% and the injury won’t affect the decline that was already taking place before 2025.
Lanidrac, Arenado is 35. He will be hurt more every year for the rest of his career. He was 16% below average hitter in 2025. Even using your months he was supposedly healthy he was a below average hitter. That is what 95 OPS+ means. His defense was not excellent. It was a 2 FRV. Just over average.
What should be expected by any sane person is that his numbers will continue to decline until his career is over.
I can see you desperately want your hero to be great again, but its not going to happen. He is human and he will follow the human progression of skill and health decline in his mid-thirties.
That’s actually an interesting proposal, but there would have to be a chunk of cash heading to Boston again if Arenado is in the deal and Cards are getting a top guy like Mayer.
Of course the Cardinals would pay a lot of salary.
The Red Sox need more right handed bats and less left handed bats so it helps with that. Cardinals could definitely use Mayer. Contreras could possibly backup catcher too if Wong doesnt start hitting again.
No, it isn’t. I would much, much rather re-sign Bregman at 125% of whatever he’s demanding than go get Arenado at any price, even free.
But Bregman is going to cost a lot of money. And its not your money. Of course you would rather spend money you dont have.
If you dont get Bregman who is playing 3b? Mayer?
I don’t care. Bregman is still a good baseball player. Arenado is crusty and washed.
King – its not one or the other, you dont have to talk us into taking over your trash.
Bichette, Okamoto and Murakami available
Or take one of hicks/ Yoshida
Hicks would make some sense. Maybe he bounces back.
Please. Arenado is way underwater and Contreras is about neutral. There’a no value there.
There is plenty of value if the Cardinals pay a lot of salary. Just like they did with Gray.
Cobtreras is not neutral. If Alonso is a 30m AAV guy, Cobtreras is a 24-25m guy being paid 18.
Robbly- whaaaaattttt?!?!?! Alonso drove in 126 runs last year and is 3 years younger. Is the goal to save money or win games? (which, by the way, requires you to score more runs than the other team)
Look at the wRC+
Alondo is a little better hitter (though a bad qB). But I’d rather not have the last 2 years of that contract, its not going to age well.
Contreras is a lot better than you think. If you get him I think you will be pleasantly surprised. And you will have another 12m to spend.
Sure. As long as St. Louis includes Wetherholdt
From the Red Sox standpoint that has got to be the stupidest thing I have seen on here… SMH
Not so but makes the hall of fame
Sox seem to be done with Casas. As a fan of a small market team in need of a 1B with power, I’d like to say we’ll take him!
As a Sox fan you can have him. I can drop him off if you can pick him up?
Translation Full Throttle 2026 = Usual Dumpster diving.
Since when is Contreras considered a dumpster dive?
Lanidrac – since 2025, going forward. He’s St. Louis’ trash, so we’re supposed to want him?
Why is he trash to the Cardinals when they would prefer to keep him?
Well above average sluggers who play good defense (even at 1B) and play for market rate salaries for the next two years don’t grow on trees.
Lanidrac – youre right, he actually is fine. And should play for the Yankees. Not trolling, thats actually a good fit for them.
But, we watched Chaim break it down in Beantown. I am very familiar with the playbook, and he’s gonna sell everything as if it were a garage sale
As a Cards fan, I would prefer to keep Contreras. My view is that we have grossly underrated him. Plus he brings energy that the a lot of the rest of the team seems to lack. Although they need to have the conversations with teams. Wish we could move on from Arenado, but the whole package of his age, health, and pay make it difficult. I think the best bet was the Astros last year. I wouldn’t mind taking Casas from the Sox in a deal though, just to see if a change of scenery might be good for him.
Sox have more interest than a Visa credit card
Lol
Somebody pull the trigger already.
Patience!
I’d prefer Donovan
Then pay up. Same with the Mariners and Mets. You gotta pay to get Donovan.
Are the Red Sox going to have a 100 man roster?
The Cardinals don’t need to clear any more payroll than they already have, and both Contreras (with his no trade clause) and the Cardinals are reluctant to move him. If the Red Sox really want him, they’re really going to have to pay for it in young talent and convince Contreras to waive his no trade clause.
I think they are inquiring about Contreras because he won’t cost anything they don’t want give up. If the Cardinals get stupid and say “Mayer or nothing”, Boston moves on, it’s not like Contreras is some unique hitter, and first basemen with sub-.800 OPS and limited defense don’t command BA Top Ten prospects.
1B with a 132 wRC+ the past 2 seasons are very much in demand. Because Contreras is on a very reasonable contract for a player hitting that well, the Red Sox will have to give up a couple of prospects from the tier below Mayer.
His wRC+ over the past 3 years is 129 on Fangraphs. Josh Naylor’s is 124 and Ryan O’Hearn’s is 121, and neither of them came close to getting someone like Mayer
I think Mullens and/or Bleis works for both teams.
I was thinking something like Sandlin and Garcia, but Mullens and Garcia might work as well.
That’s not stupidity at all. That’s the Cardinals saying, “Fine, we’re perfectly happy to keep him for another year or two if you don’t meet our asking price.”
It’s not about what works for both teams, as the Cardinals have no need to trade him in the first place if the other team isn’t willing to overpay. Maybe they don’t need Mayer, but they do need a pretty good haul to be convinced to move him, if Contreras even agrees to it.
Also, his OPS was only barely under .800 this past season, and his defense is pretty good now that he’s moved to 1B. Is a significantly above average defensive 1B more or less valuable than a significantly below average defensive catcher? That’s hard to say.
I’m all for this. I believe that Casas has to rebuild his value in AAA for as long as the whole season, particularly since we have evidence that he starts very slowly and might need a couple of months anyway, even w/0 coming off a debilitating injury, to get himself right. I’m not hoping for anything anymore. Contreras is just a two year contract. He’s right-handed, at least medium power, fills the 1B hole—this seems like a good idea.
I’m curious if St.Louis side of the discussion for Contreras includes Arenado right now. I find it interesting that the Red Sox mentioned Alonso’s age being in issue for a long term contract but there main focus is Bregman who is nearly a year older. Not saying it’s going to happen but would anyone be surprised if st.Louis covered say $10 mill and arenado goes to Boston on what would essentially be a 2/$27 mil contract?
Yes, many people would be very surprised. Arenado might be limited to minor league deals if he was a free agent, no way someone would give up a prospect to pay him 13.5/year for 2 years.
Minor league deal? Uh no. Why do people say things that make no sense?
I would think taking on the remaining salary would lower the cost of prospects in a trade for Contrares.
And i would think thats not what will happen because thats not what happened in the Gray trade.
Teams dont have unlimited budgets.
But the Cardinals do have a pretty open budget right now. I could see it happening again in the right deal, although probably not the salary for the entire remaining contract. Besides, there’s still no guarantee they’ll be able to move Arenado at all and then wind up paying his full salary again for at least 2026, anyway.
I think the Cards woukd pay him down to 2/15
Donovan and Romero for Mayer and Crawford
Rather have Casas.
You can have both…..
Other than spending money that is not yours, what possible reasoning could you have for preferring Casas over Contreras?
This should be interesting. Kind of like a train wreck.
Skip – I was kinda thinking to myself if the Cards are gonna pay a big chunk of salary, is there a downside?
Thank you for the clarity. Besides the fact that Casas is almost a full 10 years younger and makes $0m per year, and you seem utterly desperate to get rid of Contreras, I’ll ride out this Casas thing for another year.
Besides that, I can guarantee you three things; first, the fact that the Sox dont take on multi year deals for position players over 34yo, and, second the Sox won’t give up Mayer or another decent prospect that Chaim would want, and finally, the simple idea that this Red Sox rumor is on this site, means that this deal is definitely NOT happening
Nice! Always like a train wreck to brighten my day. Thank you for delivering for wbz.
Do you even realize that the Red Sox just traded for a 36 year old player and that it was the Red Sox that reached out to the Cardinals regarding Contreras? That means they are looking to trade for a 34 year old player on a multi-year contract. Trying to figure out how you could make a comment that stupid when its literally the point of the article.
Who said anything about Mayer? I certainly didn’t. The article doesn’t mention Mayer. Where did that even come from?
The rumor was from Chris Cotillo and he is right more often than not.
Hey Skip, relax with the language….i was thanking you, and you run off calling me stupid, so knock it off.
They traded for a SP with one year left. I said 34yo+ position player on a multi year deal. Those two things aren’t the same, so read before you flex your beer muscles.
Second, I said, “Mayer, or a good prospect”….what are you going to trade for if you dont want a decent return?
Finally, I guess today is your first day reading MLBTR because the Red Sox leak out that they are interested in just about everyone.
Geez, talk baseball and cut back on the insults jerkoff
I hate to admit it. But the red Sox catfished me again. I thought we’d get a big bat or make a big trade. Bregman, Bichette, Alonso a star starter, anything. Instead, we’re trying to get players to come out of retirement. Well, hopefully some of the starters level up this year and the young talent coming up develops rapidly
Its April and the season has started? Contreras is retired? Gray isn’t a star starter?
No Gray isn’t their star starter. and Contreras is 34, a 250 hitter with 20 homer per year power. Not what the sox talked about
“A” does not equal “the”. Gray is A star pitcher. Crochet is THE star pitcher on the staff and unless they got Skubal or Skenes, no matter who they traded or signed they weren’t getting a better starter.
Contreras is not retired.
Contreras had a higher wRC+ than Alonso the past 2 seasons as a 1B. 132 vs 130. If you only want to use BA, which is really 19th century, here goes. Contreras .259. Alonso .256
Contreras didn’t play 1B before that, so I used those 2 seasons to make the comparison apples to apples. He is the type of bat Breslow talked about adding.
tenor.com/view/stop-whining-whine-arnold-schwarzen…
Gray is a SP3 at best. The plan was a 1A to 1B. That’s what was talked about.
statmuse.com/mlb/ask/willson-contreras-and-pete-al…
not even close. plus Alonso is 3 years younger.
fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&st…
Where is Gray on that list? Now try to explain why you think he is a #3.
Contreras vs Alonso
2024-2025 – 132 wRC+ vs 130 wRC+.
2023-2025 – 129 wRC+ vs 128 wRC+
If you like WAR better then its 8.2 vs 8.4 and the difference is Contreras played 78 games at DH.
Alonso is 3 years younger and he isn’t better.
If I post a link I get – Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Go to Fangraphs. Click Leaders. Then 2025 next to Pitching. Where is Gray on that list? Now try to explain why you think he is a #3.
Contreras vs Alonso
2024-2025 – 132 wRC+ vs 130 wRC+.
2023-2025 – 129 wRC+ vs 128 wRC+
If you like WAR better then its 8.2 vs 8.4 and the difference is Contreras played 78 games at DH.
Alonso is 3 years younger and he isn’t better.
I feel like you are struggling to read the chart,
Alonso WRC+ 141
Contreras- 124
This is getting embarrassing.
You keep trying to move the end zone.
Contreras vs Alonso
2024-2025 – 132 wRC+ vs 130 wRC+.
2023-2025 – 129 wRC+ vs 128 wRC+
If you like WAR better then its 8.2 vs 8.4 and the difference is Contreras played 78 games at DH.
Alonso is 3 years younger and he isn’t better.
You truly are embarrassing.
I don’t care about two years ago. I care about what have you done lately. Two years ago he had an awful season. Contreras is 34 and past his prime. Alonso has a couple years left in his.
You are truly the most condescending person here. If you had as much knowledge as you think, you’d be working for a pro club instead of hiding behind a computer on your couch. You’re just a regular fan like the rest of us. One that clearly doesn’t understand the aging process
youtube.com/watch?v=udSMZG_L-S0
His swing would be a perfect fit for Fenway.
This is the type of player John Henry finds soothing to his Bill James team building style. Contreras ticks all the box: positive hitter, defense, veteran, and cheaper by the market.
Would be surprised if this isn’t their guy they go get.
Contreras and then Marte and I’m happy
Contreras isnt a bad choice, but for Mayer? That would be like trading JJ Wetherholdt for Spencer Torkelson.
Mullens and/or Bleis? I could see that
Contreras moves up 2 levels moving to Fenway.
the con continues
How much would it cost for Donovan. Contreras and Jojo to the mariners?
Bregman or Marte, Contreras or Okamoto and a #2 starter. Plenty of time still to make significant improvements. The piling on panic that set in when the Sox missed out on Alonso reeks! Take a deep breath and give Breslow room to negotiate. Alonso has his warts, too. It would be great if every team had the Dodgers’ and Mets’ and Yankees’ massive resources, but for those who don’t management needs to be patient and know the best time to pull the trigger. I’m for waiting until late January (see JD Martinez, Bregman last year) before deciding that the sky is falling.
The number 2 starter is Gray. Good gosh some of you Red Sox fans are ridiculous.
I see Gray as a #3, with 2 upside. If they could land a Peralta or Ragans they’d be very strong on the pitching side. If have to ride with Gray, fine but very risky.
“I see Gray as a #3, with 2 upside.”
He was 20th in fWAR last year, 29th in FIP, 14th in xFIP
Why do you think he’s a #3?
Come on, Steve. … Contreras is not “pricey” at $18 million this season, $18.5 million the following season.
I heard the Redsox were in on Carlos Quintana also..
Headlines just keep getting worse and worse! Breslow is so smart
The Sox would be better off re-signing Nathaniel Lowe at a discount to his $10 million 2025 contract than taking on Contreras’ two years at $18 million, plus giving some value back to the Cards. Lowe isn’t the middle of the order power hitter that Alonso or Schwarber would have been, but neither is Contreras. And Lowe is three years younger and you could probably get him on a one year deal after how he played in Washington. Trading for two years of Contreras means you’re giving up on Casas, while signing a one year deal with Lowe gives you the option of holding onto Casas a little longer, like the Tigers did with Torkelson last season.
No… Thank you. I’d rather sign a SP with the $ than take on Contreras’s contract. I say let’s see what T. Casas can do. If he is a disaster, the Sox can make a deal at the deadline for a 1B on an expiring deal.
Casas is exceptionally good at sitting on the IL. He has done that more than anything else the last 4 seasons. Why do you think the Red Sox are looking for a 1B?
It’s not a bad contract, it’d probably end up being roughly even for the Sox if you’re looking at the monetary value of WAR. Keeping Casas *should* be even more equitable, but you can’t accrue WAR from the injured list.
There’s definitely a fine line between riding with somebody too long and moving on too quickly. I want Casas to succeed, and do so as a Red Sox. Reality may not abide by that though
The Red Sox can keep Casas and still use Contreras. They have the DH spot which could be used for Yoshida but Yoshida hasn’t done anything recently. And Contreras could be the backup catcher if Wong doesnt get it together. Having both Contreras and Casas gives the team options.
Not sure this is much, if any, of an upgrade over Casas. Focus on signing Bregman.
Guys, you need a power hitter and I do not mean 20 HRs, we are talking a 40 guy!
I think it all depends on how they want to utilize Contreras. If they want to utilize him at 1B,C,DH, then I say try and make the trade. He’ll offer more production at catcher when Narvaez needs a break. Then they can rotate Casas at 1B&DH. If they want to utilize Contreras exclusively at 1B, then why not trade for Christian Walker? He’s available. Gold Glove caliber at 1B with 30HR pop who had a bad year. See which team gives them a better deal and get it done.
perfect fit
Ah yes, more interest…
Pass. Like I said the other day, the Red Sox could either overpay but strike quickly and fill their needs with elite solutions or be complacent and methodical looking for bargains like the past few years and still overpay for inferior short-term bandaids that are not solutions.
We just went from talking about guys like Bregman, Gray, Cease, Greene, Alonso, Schwarber, etc to talking about guys like Contreras in the span of a couple of weeks. From elite rotation and lineup possibilities to where we are now. So easily avoidable.
To get back to square one and have the same lacking lineup as last year we would need to resign Bregman. I wonder where the bar drops for this team if Bregman comes off the table too, which is a real possibility?
You sound entitled. You are complaining about talking about Gray when you ended up with Gray. How silly is that?
The Red Sox will have Anthony and perhaps Mayer all year in 2026. Why would you ignore that? Anthony is a stud.
Good gosh man
Yeah, that’s because I didn’t proof read so I didn’t catch the mistake I made of typing Gray by accident when I meant Ryan. My apologies.
Also, Gray was a fine pickup if meant as your number 3 pitcher if your goal is to attempt to win it all. I posted I liked the pickup, and was looking forward to them also signing that number 2 we need. Would you prefer him as your number 2 going into the season for a year or the other top options going forward for perhaps a few years? We all know the answer yet we are content to settle again after the last few years? Why?
If there’s nobody behind Anthony that can hit then teams will just pitch around him and the fact u everyone has a hard on for a player who’s only played a quarter of a yr in the majors
William – thanks for focusing something for me….when talking about how “in” they are on all the top free agents and trade targets the Sox front office is over-promising. They think this pacifies the fans. Instead, we’re disappointed.
I believe you are better served to spend whatever money you have boldly and getting elite talent over more middling pieces.
There isn’t much the Red Sox can say anymore to pacify fans. That time is passed.
This will come off as a rant, but it is honestly just observations of the past few years. I would say most people will agree this is more objective than subjective. We are all seeing the same thing, some people may just want to interpret things differently. If any disagree, I would love for them to point out to me how you feel the past few years rosters and decisions behind creating them were geared towards winning the division, a ring, let alone making a playoff appearance. Mostly, I was bored so I wrote way more than I would normally or wanted to.
It’s been a few years since management has meant what they say and do what they said they were going to do to fix blatant problems on flawed rosters. Some issues with the current team inexplicably go back for many years.
Between full throttle, the black hole at second base for 9 years, not having an elite lefty setup man since 2013, and recognizing they lack power, promising to add that power for years, and not providing those clear-cut elite power hitters they know they need.
This year’s offseason had us believing we were adding a clear-cut elite number two and much needed power. We shall see, there is time.
Would anyone be surprised based on past team statements if this doesn’t come to pass, but more importantly, it was never meant to happen?
When trust has degraded to the current state it is not a good place to be for the fans. The amount of momentum and goodwill this ownership fostered over years is gone. Not because they are failing to deliver rings every few years or because they look inept now and dysfunctional as an organization. We were used to losing for a very long time after all It is because they lied……..too much, on purpose while looking inept and dysfunctional.
We added a solid but aging number 3 on a short-term contract while the lineup, even if we add Bregman back, is still the same lineup that was thin and lacked thump while having him in it.
I don’t want to hear it from anyone in the organization anymore trying to build hype where none exists. I would rather they STFU then gas light. It is crystal clear they haven’t tried in half a decade to be a contender. That isn’t opinion. That is watching what they do (especially not do) to address clear needs or react to their rivals.
You don’t have to worry about it when you aren’t a contender. Teams that think they are contenders strike aggressively and look for upgrades wherever they can to take advantage of their ability to contend. It is why the Yankees are always a threat, every year, without fail, regardless of the end result. Their fans know management is building that team to make the playoffs every year. They may not, but the chances of them not making a playoff is extremely lower than them making it. It is a shock when they do not make it. No one thinks the Red Sox are operating that way anymore. It is clear to everyone, because they aren’t.
The difference between the pre-Henry years and post Henry years is night and day, and with that original hunger came expectations. The old pre-Henry Sox couldn’t be counted on to build a solid rotation, roster, keep it, or go that extra mile to get what was needed to win it all and repeat that desire. When Henry came in, he was hungry, they all were. In short order they showed fans that a management eager to win could do so by plugging holes where weaknesses were with high end talent. They built solid rotations, bullpens, and lineups capable of hurting you nearly anywhere in the order. It didn’t mean they were a lock to win a ring, but it meant every year they were a serious threat to make the playoffs and potentially have a shot at a ring if they did. Sound familiar?
No one believes that this management has been trying to win a championship for years. Certainly, no one believes they have that same hunger and drive they used to have. Some major moves appear to reactions to fans and the press screaming at them rather than calculated moves to make sure they are better than their competition. The early Henry management team would have been plugging in that power, signing that second baseman, adding that number 2, getting that great lefty setup guy, and doing it all aggressively. Maybe not all at once, but you wouldn’t hear the same complaint two or three years in a row about the same obvious problems. NO WAY.
These last few years have been an exercise in lethargy. The amount of money we have spent on injured players, reclamation projects and journeyman utility players rather than spending for those one or two elite talents has had the payroll at or close to the cap anyway. The result is an inferior team with inferior talent with the same deficiencies year after year without solutions. Teams make mistakes, sign elite players that should be locks but aren’t, but this has been willful mismanagement. You have to come to that conclusion because the owner already saw what worked, won doing it (several times), and is watching his company(team) fail year after year, purposely not doing what works.
See problem, fix problem as quickly as able. Upgrade where able, as able. Simple, but that was basically the Red Sox M.O. that provided us with 1 more ring than most of us ever saw in our lives, and more playoff appearances then some past decades combined. That was a nice time, right?
William – youre not wrong. This is where I’ve been since since Dec 2023. I want to feel the way Blue Jays fans feel right now. Like the team is pulling for you, the fans! The Jay ownership could’ve pulled back after extending Guerrero and making it to the World Series and no one would’ve blamed them. Instead, sign Cease, rebuild the bullpen, and perhaps bring back Bichette.
To non Sox fans we sound entitled. They’ll say four championships this century, etc. What they dont understand from the outside is what we’ve been living with, and what you just described.
Good people can disagree on player moves, thats what makes this site fun. But, this isn’t that at all. It’s always the bare minimum. And now, the baseball world is calling it out. Industry people, press, agenstsaying that the Sox simply aren’t “serious”.
There is an elite in baseball that you can’t “recreate”. The Mets are about to learn that lesson. And yes, maybe that last year or two of a long term contract you aren’t getting the value, but what about the years prior? If the Jays win the world series in the next three years you think anyone will care about the last two seasons of Dylan Cease?
The Sox have the second best SP in baseball, and a good young core of players, including (perhaps) a burgeoning super star, so we just toy around the edges now for 5 years and see if Crochet and Anthony can do it on their own?
The Sox finished in 3rd place last year. I have no reason to think that this current roster passes the Yankees or Blue Jays. I despise the idea of just getting in to the playoffs and then anything can happen. I want to stack talent, including expensive star talent. There is no excuse for Sox management. I dont even expect them to go over the tax threshold, I think thats a reasonable line to keep. But, that doesnt prevent you from signing a 4 or 5 year contract. They aren’t the same thing. To not sign anyone who is over thirty or asking for more than 3 years is as unsustainable as expecting a never ending pipeline of prospects to click in the majors.
Now is the Sox windows, and we’ll probably lose Duran at some point for a SP. So, its always one step forward, one step back. With no disrespect to Sonny Gray (who i like btw) this offseason is looking like a bust (again).
You touched on something very important I posted on at least 5 years ago, but I bring it up still each off-season. You remember the line about building a sustained consistent winner? They said they had a new approach that would yield those results, and we have been watching it unfold. It is working as anyone would expect.
Despite the league, agents, and players operating under the system that exists, the new Red Sox approach was to operate the team under a different valuation system that doesn’t exist for elite talent.
You can be in on every available free agent, but they have to have one thing in common for you to land any of them under this new approach. The players have to undervalue themselves for less years. Brilliant. All you have done is eliminate all top tier starters outright. They aren’t taking less money for less years. Remember, your competition will take them. The hitters that are game changers aren’t taking less for less years either. You know, the guys that hit top notch pitching for damage way more often than lesser hitters aren’t coming either.
What happens when the elite players decide they do not want to undervalue themselves or have that kind of instability in their career for themselves and family? You get settling.
Step two involves mid-tier talent. You still have to overpay for less production, but they may be willing to take less years at an inflated salary. The problem here is that many still won’t take less years if they are on the bubble. At this point, usually fairly late in the post-season, you’re looking to just fill slots out and you can see how you are now willing to settle for reclamations, injured past stars, and utility type players. Sure, you still probably overpaid in most cases for the shorter-term deals, but you can sleep at night claiming you are looking for hidden value. The problem is that hidden value doesn’t happen that often with any of those types of players, and the few times you get it they are out the door the second their short-term deal ends.
The consequences were easy to figure out. The word spreads amongst players and agents. The Red Sox get a label, and it isn’t a good one. If you are elite and get that big contract like Devers did, you saw them lose Bogaerts and Betts. You saw them not add notable free agent’s long term. What are you getting yourself into? Couple that with the completely avoidable drama in-house you have to read about each year. You have to ask yourself if you are better off playing for another team if two matching offers come in, or if it is even close. The Red Sox have transformed themselves from a desired destination for nearly two decades for players WANTING to win into a place you settle to play for if opportunities dry up. That is going to make it very hard to draw in talent. It makes it extremely hard to build sustained consistent winning.
At some point someone higher up should ask the table during a meeting if it is smarter, if you’re already spending at/near the cap anyway, if half a dozen reclamation projects, signing injured pitchers with utility tier players sprinkled in is better value than a couple of guys that are elite difference makers that would start a game 2 and 3 of a playoff series, or a couple of hitters that have the ability to make a lineup look scary in the middle of it? Obviously, the consensus has been that signing lower tier guys and reclamation/injured players has been smart roster building. I would just want them to explain why, in front of a white board, with the team’s record the last few years on it and the production they got out of those signings. The second question I would ask when they point to the successful pick-ups they made is, “How many games did they miss that we knew they would, for how many tens of millions, and where are those guys playing now?”
You are right, with an inevitable trade coming we have to subtract to add.
William – not to mention the fact that on every one year deal you need to replace that player, so every year there’s a churn. Already knowing that youre going to be wrong more than right, what are you hoping to achieve? Lightning in a bottle once every three years? And, should you finally hit on a player, after that season they’re leaving for a more lucrative deal somewhere else.
We paid Buehler and Sandoval $31m dollars last year, for 7 wins, a 5.45ERA and an early dfa. How is that better than a guy we already had named Pivetta? Why because he had the audacity to ask for 3 or 4 years?!?!? We gave away half of his whole deal….
Yoshida
Hicks
Mayer
For
Contreras
Arenado
Romero
I think the money balances out nicely. The Cardinals can take Yoshida and Hicka hoping for a bounce back and also get their 3b of the future. The Red Sox trade some bad contracts out for better ones and get more right handed which they need.
Can u send me whatever ur taken giving up Mayer has to be one the most ridiculous things out there
Of course they are he’s making pennies and only has a couple of yrs left on his contract
Let’s be real Boston isn’t giving up Marcelo Mayer in any package that all that is coming back is Contreras, Romero, and Arenado. It’s not happening period end of story. The only path for Marcelo Mayer coming to the Cardinals is through Donovan and that’s probably going to be a last resort by Breslow.
Breslow still has a much better path to improving the team and that’s through signing Bregman which I think happens and signing someone like Okumoto after trading a Duran led package or moving some other money maybe Sandoval. It all falls into place pretty nicely if they accomplish this. The infield is shored up with Mayer or Story playing short and the other playing second and Bregman at third with Okumoto playing first to start the season. The lineup might be a little thin to start but should come around nicely as the season goes along and the Red Sox are going to have a ton of pitching depth in AAA Worcester and Portland. It’s not only possible but probable that the Red Sox entire AAA rotation is comprised of pitchers on their 40 man roster. They simply need to bring Bregman back, which I think happens, and everything starts to fall into place.
The Red Sox dont have an unlimited budget where they can sign Bregman and Okumoto and everyone else they want. And if they signed those guys where the heck would Mayer play? Think dude. What you are saying doesnt even make sense.
You obviously don’t understand what the Red Sox and Breslow are trying to do. We already know they are working under a budget of approx 265 million or less how close to 265 is the question. They can sign one of Bregman or Bichette and stay under the 265 target. They are also trying to move salary possibly offloading a portion of Yoshida, Sandoval, Duran which would allow then to add a bat like Suarez or Okumoto. In this scenario Mayer will be either at 2nd or short Bregman will be at third and Okumoto or Suarez at first. I think Boston is basically done on the pitching side unless they can move Duran for a guy like Ragan’s. They can accomplish all of that and stay under the presumed 265 million which is the presumed max. Maybe you should educate yourself before posting a comment that asks me to “ think dude” it’s obvious that you haven’t.
Any team would be lucky to have Willson. Sadly, he was thrown under the bus by Marmol, among others, in his first year here. How dare he not be Molina?! The coddled pitchers blamed their issues on him. He handled it all with dignity and class. He is the team leader, as awful as we are right now. I would say he is a favorite.
Apparently the Mets are out on a trade for Contreras. Just overpaid to get Jorge Polanco and plan to use him as they would have used Contreras.
It’s all smoke with no fire when the Sox are going after big names. Can’t believe how bad they’ve become in terms of penny pinching (ever since the LeBron ownership team bought in it’s been running like a small market team, maybe a bit before the Bron Bron team bought in).
Interest kings