December 11th: The Jays officially announced the Ponce signing today. According to The Associated Press, he receives a $3MM signing bonus and an $5MM salary for the 2026. He’ll make $11MM annually between 2027-28.
December 2nd: The Blue Jays are reportedly in agreement with free agent starter Cody Ponce on a three-year, $30MM contract. The deal is pending a physical and has yet to be announced by the team. The Jays have two openings on the 40-man roster and do not need to make a corresponding move. Ponce, a client of Excel Sports Management, returns to the majors after an MVP-winning season in the Korea Baseball Organization.
Toronto continues to load up in the rotation on the same day they finalized their seven-year contract with Dylan Cease. They already had a strong top four with Cease, Trey Yesavage, Kevin Gausman and Shane Bieber. Ponce and José Berríos project as the fifth and sixth starters in what looks like one of the strongest rotations in baseball. Eric Lauer, who pitched to a 3.18 ERA over 104 2/3 innings in a swing role this year, is down to seventh on the depth chart.
The three-year deal and $10MM average annual value suggests the Jays view Ponce as a starter. He doesn’t have much rotation experience in the big leagues, starting five of 20 appearances with the Pirates between 2020-21. Ponce struggled in that first look but has reinvented himself since moving to Asia. He pitched parts of three seasons in Japan before a breakout 2025 season with the KBO’s Hanwha Eagles.
Ponce took the ball 29 times and turned in a 1.89 earned run average across 180 2/3 innings. He recorded a league-best 36.2% strikeout percentage against a tidy 6% walk rate. Ponce led the league with 252 strikeouts overall and was the only KBO pitcher with a sub-2.00 ERA in more than 100 innings.
The numbers alone would have been enough for Ponce to get back on the MLB radar. The more important factor for his contract was that his stuff has taken a matching jump. Ponce averaged 93.2 MPH on his fastball during his big league look, but a scout with a non-Toronto team told MLBTR in October that his velocity had climbed into the mid-90s. Eno Sarris of The Athletic wrote earlier this week that his average heater was in the 95 MPH range, and he has been clocked up to 98. Ponce has reportedly picked up a splitter — the carrying pitch for Yesavage and Gausman as well — and mixes in a cutter and curveball.
Ponce throws harder and has better secondary stuff than Erick Fedde did when he returned to North America after his own MVP season in Korea. As a result, the 31-year-old gets an extra year and doubled the $15MM guarantee that Fedde received from the White Sox over the 2023-24 offseason. Fedde, for what it’s worth, pitched well in his first year back before his numbers cratered this past season.
It’s a strong deal for Ponce, who tops MLBTR’s prediction of two years and $22MM. It’s by far the biggest payday of his career. Ponce received a signing bonus a little north of $1MM as a second-round pick by the Brewers in the 2015 draft. He did not come close to the service time to qualify for arbitration in his first stint in MLB and played on a $1MM contract with the Eagles.
The salary breakdown hasn’t been reported, but an even distribution of $10MM annually would push Toronto’s projected payroll to roughly $272MM (courtesy of RosterResource). The $10MM average annual value pushes their luxury tax projection above $280MM. The Jays are in the second tier and are taxed at a 42% rate on spending between $264MM and $284MM. That means they’ll pay $4.2MM in taxes for the first season of the Ponce contract. That’s a relative drop in the bucket given the amount the Jays are spending, but the payroll only seems likely to climb. They’d like to re-sign Bo Bichette and will almost certainly add a high-leverage reliever to join Jeff Hoffman and Louis Varland at the back end.
Spending beyond the $284MM mark would raise their tax penalties and result in their top pick in the 2027 draft being moved back 10 spots. That doesn’t appear to be much of a deterrent for a team that forfeited its second and fifth-highest picks in next summer’s draft and $1MM from its international bonus pool to sign Cease. The Jays are all in after coming tantalizingly close to their first World Series in three decades.
If payroll does become an obstacle to re-signing Bichette or adding to the bullpen, the Jays could look to shop Berríos. He’s making $18MM next season and will need to decide whether to opt out of the remaining two years and $48MM on the deal after 2026. It’s not an egregious contract but looks above market for what’ll be ages 32-34 on a pitcher who has struck out fewer than 20% of batters faced in consecutive seasons. Berríos is a solid source of back-of-the-rotation innings, but the Jays would probably need to pay down some of the money and/or take back a slightly underwater deal in a trade.
The simpler path would be to keep everyone and open the season with a six-man rotation if no one suffers an injury during Spring Training. No team gets through an entire season using only five starters. The pitching staff logged a lot of innings this fall. Gausman and Bieber will be free agents after next season, and while Berríos doesn’t look like he’s trending towards an opt-out, that could change with a strong platform year. Lauer will also return to the open market next winter.
Aside from Yesavage, the Jays don’t have much in the way of upper level pitching prospects. Former top prospect Ricky Tiedemann is on the 40-man roster and will probably make his MLB debut in 2026, but he missed the entire ’25 season and has pitched 140 innings since being drafted in 2021. The durability concerns might push him to the bullpen, and even if the Jays want to give him another chance as a starter, they’re certainly not going to let him throw 150 innings. Jake Bloss is unlikely to be a factor until the second half after undergoing elbow surgery in May. The Ponce signing probably rules the Jays out on bringing back Chris Bassitt or Max Scherzer but doesn’t make a Berríos trade a foregone conclusion.
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported that Ponce and the Jays were finalizing a three-year deal. ESPN’s Jeff Passan had the $30MM guarantee.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.


Now go sign Bo!
Shoulda done that first. Unless they somehow think Namala, Parker or Erndog are gonna be the every day 2b
Why would they do that first. It’s up to Bo when he signs…. Also why would they not sign a depth pitcher they want just because a star position player they want hasn’t signed yet? They can clearly afford both
Both sure but add Cease, add a closer level pitcher and another position player plus the raise to Vlad and it’s getting pretty tight budget wise. Plus Bassitt and mad max if they come back will need somthing
bigdaddyt: If it were that simple and linear, don’t you think they would have already done it?
Honestly is it getting tight? Think about 3-4 years ago you would have laughed at the jays spending $250+ regularly. They jacked season ticket prices and added likely $50M in ARR that way plus at least another $50M (non recurring) from the playoff run. On top of that it does appear something has changed with ol Eddie… the padres aggressive spending ended up being a result of Mr Seidler wanting to win one before it was too late (RIP). Ed looked pretty rough up on the stage and suddenly is spending like he never has….. total conspiracy theory but truly something has clearly changed and the Jays view themselves a top 5 payroll team. I can only imagine the media contract they’d get if it were an actual market process after this year having an entire country of 42M+ as your market
Ed always looks rumpled like that. If you want to explain it, it’s more likely that as they merge MLSE and the Jays under Rogers majority ownership, they want to prove that they can run with the big guys across all the leagues. Higher payrolls = more winning. More winning = more viewers and sponsorship. More viewers = More Rogers products being sold.
The jays tv ratings during the postseason were as high as 2010 Winter Olympics where Team Canada won gold over the Americans.
Nothing else touches it in the last 30 years. Thats what it is at the end of the day. Rogers likes the Jays. They’re going to sellout most home games next year and get record TV ratings during the season. Now they want to go deep im the playoffs again.
jaysfan1994: “Now they want to go deep in the playoffs again.”
Helluva lot easier said than done. Just ask the Mets, Padres, Red Sox, Rangers, Braves, Diamondbacks, and Yankees eg any team other than the Dodgers.
I don’t think Max or Bassitt are coming back. There’s really no room for them at this point.
Budget wise??
What’s the budget then?
Oh, you don’t know.
The Braves are the team in that group that’s surprised me the most. I thought they were set for a 4-5 year run after their WS.
Acuna Jr
Albies
Riley
Olson
Ozuna-They had like 6 All Stars in their lineup a couple years ago, Ozuna hit 40HRs and wasn’t one of them and their worst players were… Eddie Rosario in LF(easiest position to upgrade) and Arcia at SS after they let Swanson walk.
Plus, spencer Strider, Fried… I figured they’d just use what prospect capital they had to add pitching. And they did with Sale, but
Harris Jr and Murphy were 5 WAR players and elite defenders at two premium positions and they hit the ball well.. They got rid of Contreras as a throw in just to get Murphy.
Either way, just proves how tough it is to get back… but the Jays seem like they’re in a good position.
As an outsider… Springer and that DH spot would be my bigger cause for concern. Especially if you lose Bichette.
But, I’m sure you’ll be fine. Things even out, I’m guessing you’ll get more power out of Vlad and a full season of Barger… that could be a big win.
@Andrew-UK if your comment referred to my comment I was saying they don’t have room for them because of roster spots. They have too many starters to fit them all into the rotation already.
Could be the Cardinals and raise ticket prices while rebuilding and slashing payroll….the payroll might be 40 to 45 percent of Toronto’s….lol
Ernie would be the everyday 2B and Barger would be 3B
Regrettably, that looks less likely with every new addition. Sure, they have the money, but they are creeping up the luxury tax levels. I think they have decided they are comfortable with Gimenez as the 2026 shortstop.
This might be the year they want to go over. It’s a small amount and they’re coming off a successful year. If not now, when?
Honestly, spending that much money is insanity… (and very few precedents) so it would be fair to suggest ‘never’ as a very reasonable answer to the question ‘if not now then when?’
This Ponce deal reminds me of the Yariel Rodriguez signing. Kind of an obscure guy with potential who had been out of the major leagues.
Signing a starting pitcher in this market for “only” $10mm per is down right cheap. Last year, for those who don’t remember, players like Cobb, Scherzer, Boyd and Verlander, all coming off injuries, went for $15mm per. Ponce is coming off an MVP season!
All the pitchers you mention had MLB reputations….all this kid Ponce has is a MVP in the KBO a league which is pretty equal to AAA, and as far as far east players, it’s a pretty known fact that they have great difficulty with mid 90’s and above fastballs which pretty much all MLB players eat up….hope the Jays know what they’re doing…..
And that Yariel signing came with fanfare. Has not yielded great results.
It’s a bold strategy Cotten
Career numbers:
WAR -0.6
1W 7L 5.86 ERA
“Here’s 3 years and $30 million bucks! Quick, take it!”
He carved up the KBO, might be poised for a breakout.
Keyword: might
Looked superbad in the same KBO in ’24. Good luck! I would rather my Pads have signed Manoah for $2MM today than Ponce at $10MM per. Just IMHO.
The KBO is AAA, at best.
NPB is fairly equitable to AAA, KBO is more akin to A+/AA.
Look at Devin Williams or even Cease. Teams are all gambling that guys will bounce back
Josh, it’s nothing new. See Walker buehler or any pitcher with success within the last few years. If you’ve produced before someone will give you millions to try again
Miles Mikolas finished 6th in the NL cy young voting in 2018 after a good stint in Japan. He didnt even win an MVP award there.
Eric Fedde won the KBO MVP in ’23, how good has he looked upon returning?
6’6, 250+ lb starters that throw 95mph are Unicorns in the KBO. Here they are a dime a dozen.
Good luck to the Jays on this one. Fedde had a decent first year back but was awful last season and does anyone remember Josh Lindblom?
There’s gambling a bounce back after a few bad months versus a career that never really panned out yet. Totally different things.
He did pretty good with the white sox! Same with Mikolas, the second year for both of them wasn’t nearly as good. Both posted over 5 WAR in the first year? Maybe blue jays get a good first year and flip him while his value is high? Who knows man, none of us here have a crystal ball
They had some decent luck with a guy carving up A+, then AA, then AAA this past season. Maybe this will pan out too. If not, it’s only Rogers’ money so who cares.
The Jays signed Lauer after he pitched in the kbo in 2024. He gave them a 3.18 era in a little over 100 innings last year with 2.2 WAR.
Throw Miles Mikolas in there as well.
Two year deal, maybe. Three years on a guy who has had exactly one good season in his pro career is really questionable.
Rsox: No. At this rate, a dozen would cost $120 million/year.
“Equivalent”, bro’, not “equitable”.
Typo
Lindblom was a lot different than Ponce. Lindblom was averaging about 91 on his fastball in the KBO unlike Ponce at 95 MPH on average
Nothing to bounce back from. They were all good great in 2025
Chris Flexen carved up the KBO for a couple seasons.
Fedde looked pretty good for a season. Shocked this guy got 3 guaranteed.
Flexen only had one season in the KBO and he missed significant time with a broken foot. Though if memory serves, he came back from the injury and absolutely carved KBO lineups in the rest of the regular season and during Doosan’s postseason run too
It’s all a crapshoot, but baseball is no different than anything else…the shiny object from afar looks better than what you have in front of you. They’ll get one decent year out of him, then the bottom falls out or he’ll get hurt.
The KBO is the equal of AAA…….and they have trouble hitting good fastballs…..big deal….
@Gwynning Comparing his 2024 season in the kbo to his 2025 season is like comparing apples to oranges. In 2024 he had not yet increased his velocity and he also hadn’t added the kick change with splitter-like movement yet. He was basically a different pitcher in 2025.
Don’t be clogging this thread with truth and logic or you’ll be the unicorn.
Also, if they made this signing in Feb, you could think it was desperate or a bit of a reach after missing on other targets. The fact that the Jays did this essentially right out of the gate and on the heels of the Cease signing tells me that these were the players they coveted and feel fit the program. I love it.
Blue Jay Ray: At least you’ve convinced yourself.
What is your theory Alfred? That the front office that assembled the team that came within 2 outs of shocking the baseball world is stupid?
Blue Jay Ray: Those are your words, not mine. Whatever you say, jefe.
Can’t we all get along????
No they can’t get along. They are really old and miserable. So old they aren’t on Twitter reddit YouTube TikTok still using wins era war. So miserable they spend hours a day watching other men play a game. Then spend hours more reading and commenting. The bickering is most exciting part of their day. Bicker on fellows.
So miserable they think saying things like he couldn’t wait to Ponce on this offer or traded for 2 bottles of maple syrup and a pound of Canadian bacon is actually witty and funny. This is the most depressed miserable bored short fused group of people in the known universe. Absolutely zero chance to get along.
AI GM: Says the guy who spends hours a day watching other men play a game and hours more reading and commenting, so he knows exactly what he’s talking about.
Pot, meet Kettle.
@Alfred E Neuman
1. I hardly watch any baseball and it’s usually just as background noise. I used to watch milb a hour a day but cut back last year. Hardly on here at all. Trade deadline I will be on here all day the deadline and for hours days leading up to last day. August September October November won’t be on here hardly at all. Same for March April May June. Won’t watch a single inning of spring training.
2. I didn’t exclude myself but you weren’t capable of realizing that.
3. These old miserable people like Gwynning Nashville Jeff Washedup Mendoza are some of my favorite people in the world.
4. You just reinforced my point. You are too old and miserable to enjoy my bit of satire. Just had to raise your cane and shake it at me.
AI GM: I’m not that old and I don’t use a cane.
But don’t let me stop you from justifying yourself. It’s all good.
@Alfredo
All good here as well. I think my comments Hi Flew over your head lil lost in translation.
I like how you tell the whole story
There’s more to every story, Dusty. Anyway, I hope Ponce pans out! 🤙🏽🍻
You know he pounced on that deal…
Ba da cha!
Manoah is probably saying the same thing the beaver said when he hit concrete about now.
To be fair, apparently his velocity has increased significantly since he was in the MLB. Apparently he’s sitting around 95 and topping out at 98 now. He wasn’t doing that before.
Just hope it’s not straight or too much over the plate because 98 is totally hittable in MLB anymore.
Apparently he also picked up a new splitter too. A good fastball velocity paired with a splitter can be quite devastating as we saw in the playoffs with Gausman and Yesavage. The Yankees in particular couldn’t do anything with that pitch mix.
I always said Japan was a good place for pitchers to go because you learn to master and locate your secondary pitches, they throw a lot of breaking balls there. Honestly don’t know much about the Korean league, it wasn’t a thing when I was playing in the minors, but picking up a new pitch can’t hurt.
Yes. This. Obviously didn’t have this combo before.
@jaysfan.
His “splitter” is actually a kick change
That’s pretty average in the MLB these days….what else does he have because thats not going to work really well the second and third time through the lineup……
Are you sure about that? Gausman has been a TOR while throwing almost exclusively fastballs and splitters. He seems to get through the lineup the second and third time just fine.
Do you really want to go off out dated numbers? Thought higher of you than that, Gwynning.
Play along, stymee! Or don’t! I never claimed to be impervious to disappointments… but those are his career numbers from The Show. 🤣🤙🏽
Gwynning and everyone else keep using those out dated numbers. Makes me look like a evil genius wizard. The day people start even using even somewhat useful data is the day I stop talking baseball.
“Siri, show me Ponce’s more recent Big League numbers…”
🤪
Skynet Gwynning just went live
Probably talking to his Ipod though.
Once these post threads get over 30 or so responses I can no longer follow the proper time sequence or see who is responding to who. I’m on mobile, and yes I realize it’s probably a ME problem.
@ignorant
By using the @ignorant can you figure out I am addressing you? By you I mean Ignorant. By ignorant I mean mlbtr user ignorant son-of-a-b
In the words of one of our greatest philosophers just play along. Just recently I had someone tell me everything they knew or thought they knew on deferrals and scolded me on hating them. All I said was the contract contained deferrals. Someone argued with me about how fip team defense and something else is useless even though I never mentioned any of those things and don’t even look at them. And those are nothing. I’ve seen some things. But yeah not being able to figure out who is talking to who. Who actually said what. You’ll fit right in. Just being able to read and comprehend puts you in the top 2 percent here.
Top 2 percentile here… still doesn’t say much! Jk jk, Happy Holidaze fellas 🤙🏽🤪🤙🏽
Iggy, if you even halfway like comedies like Old School, Knocked Up, etc. then you’ll love Dodgeball! Check it out, lots of good lines!
Dodgeball a must see if you like comedies. Maybe the last comedy that contained actual comedy made. Probably not but there hasn’t been many any in 10 15 years
Knocked up I found somewhat funny and entertaining 1st time. Tried it a 2nd time recently a decade later not that good. Dodge ball I dunno but think it would fair better and at least has lots of quotes.
Imo, the last great comedy was Tropic Thunder, although the recent Naked Gun had some great lines!
TT was great. Tom Cruise come on. Haven’t seen naked but should one day. I have incredibly high comedy standards. I wish I could be so easily entertained as some of my mindless man animal friends. 2000s had some good ones well movie wise. TV lost comedy before movies other than a few rare exceptions. Somewhere around 2010 it all ended. Sometime around 2015 they just stopped even trying. Somewhere around 2020 they just stopped making good movies period. Might get 5 a year that really stand out because the rest are such garbage. Probably part of reason all these angry miserable people are here!
I love the mockumentary style comedy, which probably has been perfected in TV form with the UK & US versions of The Office. But for the screen there is probably the first iteration of that style with Spinal Tap. Any of the Christopher Guest comedies are keepers. Back to TV shows then with Reno 911, The Trailer Park Boys, anything by Ricky Gervais. Also can’t leave out Sasha Baron Cohen as Borat. You guys get the drift. Will definitely check out Dodgeball & Naked Gun.
“Let’s see if it works out for them”
Someone had to finish the Pepper Brooks quite. “Back to you 👈 Cotton”
Are you thinking of “Welcome back, Cotter?”
Ignorant Son-of-a-b: *KOTTER.
Mr. Kotter…
Oh yeah? Up your hole with a Mellow Roll! 🤣
Think it’s from Dodgeball.. excellent reference I might add.
So what happens to Berrios.
I assume it’s
Cease
Gausman
Yesavage
Bieber
Ponce
The Dodgers have used 26 starters in the last two seasons, no team makes it through a season with five…
Someone will 100% get hurt in spring training.
Someone might 100% be hurt right now. We often don’t find these things out until players report in spring training.
It is starting to feel like one of Bieber or Berrios is not going to be ready to start the year.
Either Bieber tweaked something during the playoffs or Berrios’ somewhat nebulous injury isn’t getting better. Otherwise, while I love depth and all, this feels like a little too much depth.
Yeah. It’s a fair bit of money to throw at depth. That could buy you a pretty good reliever. I don’t buy the Berrios trade rumblings much. That doesn’t feel like a very liquid contract to me.
@KamKid
My guess is Beiber.
Hard to say really, Berrios still has a few more years on his current deal. Maybe a six man rotation-ish type thing? Ponce isn’t making Berrios money so maybe he ends up more swingman role. Maybe if they’re confident in what he can bring, see what the interest in Berrios is via trade. He’s put up a good amount of solid years, some average years and a few unspectacular ones. You might be able to get a good return for him, but as an O’s fan I caution any team that thinks they have enough starting pitching lol.
Chances are Yeasavage isn’t going to start the year in the bigs, they probably have him for 160ish innings next year so they will slow roll him to start the year.
But would still like to see lauer follow up his ‘25
Lauer may be better suited to the bullpen. Last year he had a 3.77 era as a starter in around 70 innings and a 1.76 era in around 30 innings out of the bullpen. He’s certainly capable of starting, but he could be a really good multi-inning weapon out of the pen (as we saw in the World Series).
Dusty I agree. Lauer can eat a lot of innings and he isn’t going to be too bad for you. I think a lot of teams are going to copy the Dodgers with young pitchers like Yes. You can option him and give him a few starts here and there and start really ramping him up in July. If you can’t option him you just IL him once a month until it’s time to ramp up and let other pitchers eat those early innings. The Jays have enough good hitters to survive that.
If they start him in the bigs from the start of the season, they have a shot at picking up a PPI draft pick if he wins ROY. I’d take that shot personally.
Berrios had a 4.08 era in 781 innings in Min and has a 4.09 era in 790 innings in Toronto. He has been a very consistent pitcher and his 4.17 era this year was 33 highest among qualified starters so almost every team would have a need at the right price. He was right in line with Mitch Keller who is making close to 16 mil a year
Trade incoming?
Either Berrios is dealt at the winter meetings or he goes to spring training and has to pitch himself into the rotation. It bares keeping in mind that Yesavage had an amazing 7 week stretch but that is also his only MLB experience. There will be growing pains and bumps in the road. There is always the possibility he opens the season at AAA if he’s out-pitched in spring training
Yesavage would have to have a horrid spring for that to happen. He showed major signs of something in that one world series start where he didnt have his spilter. Leaned heavily on his fastball and slider barely made it through 4 so it is plausible
It’s like they are pretending he doesn’t exist. He’s not that bad for a fifth starter.
Pause.
WHAT IS HAPPENING?!
I nearly fell off my chair when I saw this.
Crazy money and 3 years absurd!!
Seems like a big overpay.
Better big overpay than Lyle Overbay
Got him at good price
In terms of AAV, maybe. But three guaranteed years is surprising risk the level of risk involved. A 3rd year team option I could have seen but not this.
No reason for him to take a contract with team option.
Risk is exactly why they gave him 3 years.
He has to take what an MLB team is offering. I think nearly everybody is surprised this guy got 3 guaranteed years.
Doubtful. Have you seen MLB pitching lately?
I’m not surprised
I’m guessing I’m going to see a ballcap sports rage stream in a minute, just like when they signed Cease.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast: What’s a “ballcap sports rage stream?”
@alfred
It’s a baseball commentator who makes videos about rumors and predictions. He is also a blue jays fan and was furious when Toronto signed Dylan Cease. Ballcap sports is the name of the channel he makes videos about. His name is Jim though.
Very interesting. Hope for the best for Ponce (whenever he isn’t facing the O’s) as he had to go to another country to prove his talents before getting another opportunity. You love determination like that and its definitely an interesting storyline to track next season.
2 other countries. Couldn’t hack it in Japan
Thats where it gets kinda weird when you look at it though, NPB typically sees great pitching dominate (where Ponce struggled overall) while in the KBO the pitching quality or environment in general seems to be lacking (where he dominated, albeit in one season). Ponce might just be one of those strange guys that conventional statistics might just not be able to quantify their value. Long story short for my part, I think he’s worth a gamble at that price. He’s definitely an interesting storyline to keep tabs on.
The article explained it quite clearly: he added velocity to his fastball and started throwing a splitter. That changes your results. His struggles in NPB were with lesser stuff. These days we measure stuff so we don’t have to speculate about why results improve.
Of course, it’s an open question whether (a) his stuff improved enough to beat MLB hitters, and (b) his velocity uptick sticks instead of subsiding, and (c) he can stay healthy with the increased arm stress of velocity and a splitter.
Indeed. As you say, does his adjustments to his repertoire translate from the NPB to the KBO to the MLB. It certainly should make him more formidable having extra pitches in his pocket. And thats what I have interest in seeing. He’s not a huge free agent name expected to tip the balance of power in favor of the team that signed him. But he definitely worked on his craft in different countries, to earn himself another opportunity in the MLB. I’ll reiterate that I love that kind of drive and determination. Most of us can only imagine what its like to try and function day to day in another country where our naturally spoken language is not commonplace. That being said, I’m glad for his success. I don’t know the man personally but I imagine there were trying circumstances for him beyond the professional level during his career outside the states.
Now this is interesting. Pretty fun day here at MLBTR.
This management team seems determined to spend $700M somewhere along the way. Bo should get ‘er done!!
Get er done
Jays aren’t messing around
Lotta dough for an unproven guy.
Ya I just looked at his baseball reference page — very spotty track record. Looks like he’s gettting paid off an 11 game run in Korea after posting an era of 7.6 something the year prior in the same league! Even his minor league stats are mediocre to just ok.
Ps: I’ve never heard of Cody ponce!
Pps: can anyone provide insight into who he is?
Thanks!
I liked Ponce coming up, but KBO-MLB isn’t a cakewalk of a move.
11 games? That was the NPB in 2024. he pitched 29 last year and set a KBO record for strikeouts in a season and the single game record.
Last time they gave a chunk of money to an unproven guy, Rodriguez, he failed as a starter, then ultimately failed as a reliever and was left off the WS roster
Yariel Rodriguez had an excellent year eating a ton of bullpen innings with very solid results until the ALCS, and they certainly don’t win the division without him. Easily more than worth the $6.6M he made for it.
Not his fault if some fool was expecting an ace for a 5 year $32M contract.
The same fools are now signing Cody Ponce to a bloated deal. Best of luck
berrios–understand from an early article here that he might be hard to deal without adding a good deal of money–wonder where he fits in?
Swingman?
Or 6 man rotation
Berrios seems like a BAL kinda move as long as TOR pays down some of the contract. Mike Elias can’t help himself when it comes to rolling the dice on rotation pieces.
The Korean league is sort of High A to AA level. This is rather a bold move by the Jays, but a pretty decent gamble with their playoffs money.
You couldn’t be more wrong about the level of talent the KBO is. High A to AA is independent baseball. The KBO is MLB level
How many guys jump from KBO to MLB each year and succeed? KBO is not mlb level it’s a rung down at the minimum
KBO is nowhere near MLB level. It’s below Japan.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about. People on here. only 1% ever watch KBO or NPB. As someone who is a huge NPB and KBO fan and watches them religiously, KBO is below NPB and really a AA to light AAA product. How bout you all actually watch a game sometime and educate yourself on the product? I’m not being man but speaking on things without education shows who you really are.
And how many of those games that you watch were prior to 2020
Excuse me for having an opinion
katzonfire…are you the commish of the KBO? Never, ever heard anyone make such a comparison. It’s a fine league, no one is insulting them, but come on.
What would you call the 2025 Rockies or the 2024 White Sox? Were they MLB level?
Poor argument as the White Sox and Rockies are not playing in the KBO, and the KBO does not draw the best in the world. Moreover, Korea hasn’t produced on the world stage like Japan, D.R and the U.S.
Think twice before you call KBO an MLB equivalent. It’s not even close.
Keep in mind that the KBO didn’t come around until the 1980s so give it time and we’ll see who’s right
If you are saying give it time and we’ll see who’s right, doesn’t that kind of indicate that it’s not mlb level right now?
Look at it this way;If what you say is true that the KBO is minor league level at best, why are MLB teams offering players major league contracts?
Look at it this way, high school baseball is high school level baseball right? But some of them are good enough to get drafted or go to school. Some of them are good enough to say I played with the guy on the tv when I was younger.
There’s always players in leagues that are able to make it to higher leagues. But having a guy sign with a MLB team from the KBO or some high school in the states doesn’t make where that player came from MLB level.
Because MLB teams do that? If what you said is true Ponce gets $30-mil per season based on his 2025, not $10-mil per.
Is this suppose to be directed at me? lol
No.
Ah, no.
Did some research, and every site had them AA, with a few AA to AAA.
“High A to AA is independent baseball”??? What are you trying to say? Independent baseball is quite different than affiliated leagues.
I know that it’s different. You misunderstood what I said. To elaborate on it, Indy ball specifically where I’m from is compared to High A to AA level
I know it’s different. You misunderstood what I said. To elaborate, The Indy ball specifically where I’m from has been compared to High A to AA level
Same where I am from ⚾
I understood what you wrote. But I didn’t read your mind, which is an unfair ask.
bridesmaids in the World Series, but not on the free agent market..
You can say what you want about the Santander deal but the best thing it ever did was that it signaled to prospective free agents to let them know that Toronto is a safe destination. No, they don’t pay you in CAD. Its ok to sign here!
Can’t actually say anything about the Santander deal yet anyways, it’s been one season. Sheesh.
Weird comment. The Santander deal did that but the Ryu, Springer, Gausman and Bassitt deals didn’t?
you may have forgotten that there was a stretch of time between all those guys and now where the running gag was that the Jays were always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
The trouble with the Santander deal is it looks more like Rendon than Springer every day.
One lost year because of Injury doesnt mean its a failure. What if vlad or springer get hurt next year? He can step right in to fill their place. The contract is significantly cheaper than Rendon.
It is a failure up to now.
My crystal ball only looks backwards. It shows me none of the future so whether this is actually a sunk cost is still to be determined …as you so correctly point out.
Hopefully, his health improves and he comes back to help the team. Until then, sadly, he has a lot more in common than just a first name ….
One year of Santander’s contract goes by and you compare it to Rendon? That’s incredibly short-sighted and irrational.
He had a great season in Korea. It’ll be interesting to see the numbers he signed for with the Jays. I’m sure he would’ve been paid well in Korea to stay.
Jays must feel like they are getting Black Friday pricing the way they are spending money!
Now, for Christmas, bring Bo back!
Bo and Tucker are next I suppose. If this is a game of Hearts, they’re trying to shoot the moon. Quick someone deal ’em the Queen of Spades.
I almost called the Queen of Spades by her real name but I don’t want to get banned.
Well, that covers the Sherzer
Bassitt money
What a nice payday for a guy who would have been offered a minor league deal this time last year probably. Good for him hopefully it works out he certainly looked lights out last year. Also with 2 KBO signings in one day it makes me wonder if even more KBO/NPB guys come back I know Jon Duplantier might be one to watch.
As a Jays fan should I be happy about this? Is signing the Korean leagues MVP a good thing? Are we going with an 8 man rotation lol?
I mean, assuming there is no luxury you cant hate it. But with the reality of a luxury and the need for Bo and a star closer + more pen help….I dont think we should be happy. But what do I know about the health of the Jays current starters.
Rolling a dice like this after being a run away from a World Series breeds more questions than answers.
There’s a lot of movement today.
1.Astros sign Ryan Weiss
2.Angels sign Alek Manoah
3. Blue Jays sign Cody Ponce
I’ll go over. 0.5 for Weiss and about 1 for Ponce.
I’m assuming Manoah pitches 0 to 20 innings and has a 0 or perhaps -0.2.
Over
Ugh, I’m probably being pessimistic here… but gimme the Under. Recency bias prevails.
If you’re going for recency bias, you should probably be looking more at his 2025 season when he added velocity and the kick change with splitter-like movement. In 2024 before those two things happened, his era was over 4.00 in the kbo. After that he had a 1.89 ERA. It seems obvious it’s a big change.
Fair enough, Jays92. While I root for Ponce’s future success, I am wary/skeptical of his ’25 success against “AA-like” KBO opponents. The velo pump isn’t “scary” for MLB squads, but the jury’s still out on his new cambio. Again, I hope he finds success, but my initial reaction (fwiw!) was OVERPAY… and I know I shouldn’t care what ANY team gives ANY player! More power to Ponce. Cheers amigo 🍻🤙🏽
But the Astros only paid Weiss $2.6 mil. That’s seem more in line with value.
2 KBO pitchers signed. The difference is insane.
Waste of money
I suppose a Mets fan would be a good judge of that.
As a fellow Mets fan I approve of this roast.
Mets wasted a lot of money on pitching last year, I guess they could have went with Montas 😉
I’m proud of the Blue Jays. After years of begging people to take their money, they are finally finding some takers.
Making it to the WS helps a lot.
I think a big reason they got to the World Series was the performances of two of the top free agents they signed previously in Springer and Gausman as they were the team’s best hitter and pitcher, respectively.
I don’t get the “nobody wants to play in Toronto,” narrative. Toronto has a top five payroll and every year they’re always among the most active on the free agent market.
It’s a ‘murica thing more than anything else.
Of course, the big market teams have not been competing with them for these players. Never saw a NYY or LAD rumor about any of their signed FA. Neither wanted to pay top dollar and the tax for 5 inning Cease, or Ponce.
That’s not really how cause and effect works.
$10 million AAV is a pretty decent deal. That’s even less than what most back of the rotation arms make anymore, so even if he ends up being a #4/#5 starter, the Jays might end up getting a steal.
It’s the years they are adding that is throwing me off
It seems like for cease and this deal the jays are adding years to force a yes.
Have to up the ante in Canada unfortunately. Who knows we just saw it could’ve been upped to 40 so maybe it wasn’t the biggest deal
Dusty, I guess that depends on whose contract predictions you are using. This site had Cease at 7 years $189m. They had Ponce at 2 years $22m but the last sentence in his top 50 write up was “ and a third year might not be entirely out of the question.”
I had no idea where this guy would sign, had to look him up when I filling out the contest. Blue Jays are on a roll!
That was fast after the last article.
Nutty.
Those better be Canadian years!
I guess they know they are moving on from Berrios; seems curious to me that they didn’t spend the $$$ on bullpen help instead.
Offload berrios and they still can
At least it’s not Anthony Kay…
George Kittle is so disappointed in the Giants .
They tried.
Probably made the jays go to a third year before they bailed out on him.
Gun shy thanks to the Tommy LaStella contract.
It seems now that the Jays are moving on from Chris Bassett. He would look awfully good in Phillies red.
Seems that way. He will be missed, great guy and underrated
Hell at this rate I think I can get signed for a couple million….. spending like drunken sailors
If I didn’t have two bad knees from catching, I might be able to make a comeback.
Clearly the high flying Toronto Blue Jays are on to something here. I hope this works out for them. Seems like a lot.
Blue Jays’ management in Beast Mode!
Still hoping Bo is on the list before they are done but you have to wonder how much more they have to spend ….
Shi Davidi has reported that they are treating their pursuits of Tucker and Bo like the Ohtani and Soto pursuits. Separate business case from the team budget. Those guys don’t have to fit into the budget and if they don’t get those guys, they won’t have all this extra budget to throw around on other players instead. I don’t really understand how that type of contract can’t have effects on future budgets. There are CBT considerations down the road even if money in and of itself isn’t a problem to commit too. There are the other competitive balance penalties.
It feels like special business opportunity budget like this is what happens for true face of the game players like Ohtani or guys whose market turns to a short term high AAV deal.
Stuff is improved. Blue Jays are either offloading berrios or really wanna keep lauer as the long reliever for as long as possible
All Major League Baseball Contracts are in USD. Every Jays post trade this comes up. It never changes.
It went over his pants.
Could it be the math was too much and it went through?
Maybe they use him in the bullpen for the first year as a swing man and then in 2027 moving to the rotation since they’ve only got Cease and Yesavage under contract of their top five current starters after this season.
It mentioned that he’s gained a fair bit of velocity since he was in the MLB before. 10 million a year isn’t outrageous for a good setup man. So maybe he plays that role the first year with his newfound velocity and moves into the rotation if needed.
Well it worked out well for them last year when they picked up Lauer after he pitched in the KBO. If they can get similar numbers out of Ponce they’ll be laughing.
If he gave them similar production to what he did last year I would.
I think Lauer would get pretty close to 30 mil if he was a free agent right now
I doubt that after 100 innings. Maybe a 2/20
They need to sign Bo so I can feel comfortable buying my son his jersey for Christmas
Think your kid better find a new favorite player.
Blue Jays are now at the 3rd level of the CBT, so if they re-sign Bichette they will blow past the 4th level and incur very steep penalties. They are well aware of that of course, but if they don’t have the success they are expecting next season, it is going to get very painful.
I don’t think so. What are the 4th level penalties ? Loose a 3rd rounded and 20 mil in extra taxes ?? Doesn’t seem like much if u want to buy a championship
In addition to the 20% tax (for first time overages), there is also a surcharge threshold for clubs that exceed the base threshold by $20 million or more.
$20 million to $40 million: 12 percent surcharge
$40 million to $60 million: 42.5 percent surcharge for first year; 45 percent for each consecutive year after that
$60 million or more: 60 percent surcharge
They are likely to jump from 12% surcharge to 60% surcharge, which is significant. A lot more than $20M
I still don’t think that matters to Mets or dodgers. Probably not jays either and possibly angels.
The Angels never run a payroll up that high.
That’s bc they never had a core good enough to or signed the right free agents first. Not for lack of resources
Blue Jays have not struck gold recently on international signings, and they rolled the dice on Yariel Rodriguez who has yet to live up to his contract. Hitters in Korea will swing at certain pitches MLB hitters won’t, and the question is will it matter that much? This is the type of a guy a team looking for back of the rotation help on a mid team signs.
Paul skenes version Temu
Insane salary especially given the luxury hit.
Theoretically they could move Gausman or Beiber to clear money for signing Bo/whomever else
That’s quite the theory. I don’t think it will pass initial testing phase though lol
@CenterWingPolitics
If they’re looking to dump salary, getting rid of Gimenez would be the way to go.
Nobody is taking on Gimenez’s salary at full freight. I can’t believe the Jays did and gave up Horwitz.
His salary jumps up to $23MM from 2027-2029. He’s not a $20MM player.
@Baltimore_44
Yeah. That was a pretty bad trade. Not Atkins worst, but still bad.
IIRC Horwitz had a 120 wRC+ in 400-ish PA’s.
Just about. He can hit. Wasn’t a great fit on Toronto’s roster with Springer needing DH abs but to have to give him up to acquire Gimenez was surprising.
I like Gimenez defensively at SS and think he’ll save a ton of runs with his glove. It’s just that he’s a sub $15MM player about to make $23.
@Baltimore_44
As a full timer, he wasn’t the greatest of fits. As a lefty bat off the bench, part-time 1B/DH he would have been a great fit. Kinda the role Ty France slotted into when they got him from the Twins. FWIW, the kinda role player they don’t have on the 26 now.
Ya, Giminez is going to be a Jay unless they swap for another bad contract or release him.
Yes. Spend that money. Go M’s.
I would think berrios. Harder to move but gausman is better and beiber is cheaper.
I think Berríos has value to some clubs. Toronto will have to eat about 30 mil of the 60 he’s owed but at 10 mil a season I think a lot of teams see him as a bounce back guy.
The Jays are good at finding diamonds in the rough the last few years that turn into key contributors. Lauer, Clement, straw. Hopefully Ponce can do the same with Pete Walker helping.
Over 3 years, if he averages 150 innings with a 4.30 ERA, this contract will be worth it. There’s a lot of people calling it an overpay and being critical of signing a player that pitched overseas, but 3/30 is a bargain for a back end starter in free agency. There’s also the upside that the changes he’s made lead to a late career jump, and he greatly outperforms this contract. Erik fedde was an absolute steal out of Korea, people let his recent performance cloud their memory of that signing, but he was a 6 win player his first year for pennies on the dollar
This exactly. Hardly an overpay. A lot of bitter folks in here
People are criticizing it because in his 3 years combined at the highest level of NPB (which is lesser than MLB) he averaged a 4.5 ERA. He’s coming off one great year against opponents who are much lesser than big leaguers. Fedde was a steal? He had one good year at half the rate.
Couple things:
You’re paying for what they will do rather than what they have done. It’s more that ponce has added 2 new pitches, and added velocity which has led to increased performance that teams think will translate to the big league level. It’s not just the stats, it’s the stats combined with real reason to believe he’s improved from a scouting standpoint
Erik fedde’s one good year was worth at least twice the value of his entire contract. That type of value for that price is extremely good business. One year like that from ponce and 2 mediocre years would make this contract worth it and then some.
There’s obviously risk, which is why he’s being paid like a back of the rotation starter rather than a mid rotation starter.
Toronto is signing him based on his pitches and changes in made in Korea. Seems like a good signing.
Exciting signing. Max velo of 98.5. Regularly 97+. Good control. The splitter addition could be the wild card, spending time with Trey and Gaus could do him well in adjusting back.
I actually like the term. If starting doesn’t pan out, to the pen. If it does, they have a bargain on their hands locked up for 3 years.
Previously, he sucked in the pen also…..bold move by the Jays for a guy who had success against the equal of AAA players for the last 4 years or so…..
Lol not eating 30. Better value in keeping him
Man, they’re really poncing on guys this offseason, aren’t they?!
I’ll see myself out…
3/10 now, welp. I had him going to the Nats, mostly basing it on Fedde to the White Sox. Surprised a bigger team bit on him tbh.
A for Toronto. Seems as cheap as they could get him. Like the move for them.
Oopsiedoodles Giants and Padres…you had your chances.
They should put the money towards a new closer.
Had Toronto made their WS run a couple years ago they may have signed ohtani after all. Things could be very different.
Crazy even though he looks good in foreign leagues.
Good for him to get paid but bad for Toronto to not do something like 1/10 with a club option at 15m or something instead.
That depends on how it works out. If he pitches really well, they’ll be glad they gave him the extra years.
Oh for sure but that is a pretty big leap of faith. Not many if anyone has had a really good career where someone comes back from foreign leagues and pitches well in the majors.
There is certainly reason for optimism. Ponce set the kbo record for strikeouts in a season, strikeouts in a single game, and went 17-1 with a 1.89 ERA while adding around 2 mph to his fastball and adding a kick change with splitter-like movement. The improvements in his statistics directly coincided with those two changes.
I don’t think any of the other players that came back from foreign leagues had that kind of a resume. The Blue Jays have also had some success in this arena before as they brought Lauer back from the kbo and he had a great year last year (9-2 3.18 ERA). Lauer also didn’t have anywhere close to as good a season in the kbo as Ponce did.
Optimism is easier than skepticism here. For the Jay’s 10m is not at all going to hirt the overall team if Ponce reverts to US Ponce and not KBO Ponce.
Blue Jays are ruining the game!
Yep. That does it.
The Blue Jays are now officially the, “Dodgers of Canada”.