The Pirates would like to upgrade at shortstop and are interested in Jason Bartlett and J.J. Hardy, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Pirates would like to upgrade over Ronny Cedeno before the 2011 season starts and Hardy and Bartlett appear to be available.
Cedeno, 27, batted .256/.293/.382 in 502 plate appearances last year. He has never shown much power in six big league seasons and has a .284 OBP in his career. Though he doesn't provide much offense, few shortstops do. Bartlett posted an identical .675 OPS last year and that was better than the marks Orlando Cabrera, Yunel Escobar, Elvis Andrus, Erick Aybar, Alcides Escobar and Cesar Izturis posted.
Who would the rays get in return
Calvin Anderson and Michael Dubee.
Garza and Bartlett for Justin Wilson, Joel Hanrahan, Calvin Anderson and Michael Dubee.
No. Too much
Too much from Pittsburgh end?
Yeah
Garza and Bartlett for Joel Hanrahan, Justin Wilson, Agrenis Diaz, and Gorkys Hernandez
Why would the Rays want Argenis Diaz? He’s barely hanging on to a job in AAA for the Pirates. I think the Rays would require someone other than Diaz. An intriguing lower minor leaguer, along with Hanrahan, Wilson, and Hernandez, would probably do it.
Both of those players are available in the rule 5 draft…no way they get it done. Combined they have no value
Bartlett for Garrett Jones or however you spell his first name.
I don’t see the Rays getting Jones for Bartlett…
Bartlett and Joyce?
I would choose Hardy over Bartlett because of B’s contract.
Cedeno isn’t a bad hitter, but his problem is he thinks he’s a power hitter. He needs to hit for more contact, but overall, I like him.
Bartlett for Ryan Doumit (I call it)
rays are looking to slash payroll; dont think they want to have doumit’s contract
Rays already have a Catcher in Buck and others like Jaso.
You are thinking if the other Florida team with Buck. They have Shoppach and Jaso.
I almost spit out my soda when I saw .284 OBP. That’s beyond terrible.
I disagree with you. Thats worse than beyond terrible!
agreed with that. Cedeno needs to read Moneyball
Huntington likes Hardy…he offered Capps for Hardy last year when he was with the brewers but they chose the Twins offer instead
well that would also be dealing within the division and Capps was a non tender candidate(and he was non tendered) last year as well.
true, i wasnt saying it was a good or bad trade idea…i was just reporting what was offered
If Bartlett’s two main suitors are the Pirates and the Orioles, I feel bad for him.
My Mistake I knew that. They need a 1B.
Yonder Alonso or Chris Carter…
Matt Garza and Jason Bartlett for Yonder Alonso, Logan Ondrusek, Nick Masset, and Dave Sappelt.
That is way too much on the Red’s part especially since Bartlett’s contract expires after this season if I’m not mistaken. Ondrusek and Masset play too big of roles in our bp and Masset is the favorite too be the next closer when Cordero’s contract expires.
Janish will be fine at SS and Garza is more of a want than a need with our surplus of SP’s.
Like I said the Reds and the Rays are a good match here. Bartlett for Alonso and Heisey or Frazier.
What! Bartlett wouldn’t even be worth Janish let alone Alonso or Frazier or anybody
You overvalue Bartlett way too much. In reality, he’s only had one really productive season. That being ’09. Not that he’s a not a good SS because a lot of teams are interested, I just don’t think the Rays are gonna get as much as people may think. Like I said in my previous post, his contract EXPIRES after this season.
So to counter your argument, one of year of Bartlett isn’t worth Alonso by himself let alone for the Reds to throw in Heisey or Frazier.
I never said they should add in Alonso or Heisey or Frazier dude, that was Slider.
i like cedeno he is a good shortstop, range and has a great arm. like posted earlier, he needs to shorten his swing and go for singles and doubles. hardy will turn into another crosby. when will nh learn?????????????????
Pittsburgh does realize they’d have to pay these guys, right? (I only say this because come payday, they usually wind up trading people away…)
they traded players because they werent winning WITH them so why PAY THEM MORE
Point taken…
I would absolutely love it if they got Hardy and I’d love it even more if he destroyed the Brewers. I’d like Bartlett too, but I just feel like Hardy is a longer term fix.
hardy is a much better fielder, so thats a plus
Though he doesn’t provide much offense, few shortstops do.
While this is a correct assumption, I’m not sure why Cedeno is being compared to those specific players in 2010 OPS. All mentioned had below career-norm seasons – some by a wide margin. It’s not like they’re light hitting like Izturis; That’s probably the best comparison to draw on, atleast in dWAR. .619 career Izturis OPS and .640 career OPS for Cedeno is also a strong comparison. The rest aren’t even close.
Bartlett is the type of player(along with his contract) that you acquire to fill in a big missing piece for a major run in 2011. The Pirates(as well as the O’s) do not fill that bill. The Padres and the Reds(perhaps still the Giants) are the only teams that make sense right now, IMO.
Bartlett is the type of player you acquire when your current SS stinks even worse and you need a fill-in for a year. He shouldn’t be expensive to acquire and I doubt he’d be signing an extension with the Bucs or O’s.
bartlett is the sort of guy you acquire when you think that you could do a better job than there current shotstop.
What are the Twins looking for in return? I like him from the Pirates perspective but wouldn’t overpay in a trade, considering the $$ he will earn.
One negative externality you have to consider with Hardy is his herpes. If he comes to your ballclub, he will undoubtedly attempt to spread his seeds all over town. Then again, it’s always possible that Pittsburgh could use that as leverage in trade talks to lower the price
WOW im preety sure that would not lower his value. Anyways if the bucs get bartlett i think they will trade him when july hits for some prospects if they can get dias are somebody else to play short decently. If they get Hardy he might be a big steal and rank at the top ten in most stats for MLB SS, I would kept him for the whole year and bat him 5th or 6th.
i would absolutely do jones for bartlett. jones seems to have fallen out of favor with the organization and there is lots of corner help to be had on the market.
i would absolutely do jones for bartlett. jones seems to have fallen out of favor with the organization and there is lots of corner help to be had on the market.
The Twins are crazy if they trade Hardy. In 2009 they had a black hole offensively at 2nd and ss. They had Casilla and Punto. Everybody complained about that situation, so they acquired Hardy. Not that Hardy is spectacular or anything and his 2010 campaign left something to be desired. But if they wanna take the chance on Casilla and Nishioka playing, they will end up with output like 2009 from their middle infielders. I can’t believe their memory is that short. Hardy could come back and have a really good year. I can’t see why the Twins wouldn’t keep him and take that chance. Unless they really get good value from somebody for him, I wouldn’t trade him. If they trade Hardy they will not win their division next year. You heard it here first.
The Twins have a ballooning payroll and they need to move guys somewhere. For as good as Hardy did when he was in the lineup, he was out of the lineup quite a bit and I don’t really see that changing. If they can use him to land some relief help, I would be totally down with that. The fact is, the Twins have spent more money in the past year than we have ever seen before and they are likely planning on moving him and his something like 5 million dollars for cheap help that will also allow them to resign or keep other guys on the roster. I really don’t see the Twins being able to keep Hardy after next year, nor do I think they need to, so this is a deal that they need to make now.