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Angels Beat Jered Weaver In Arbitration

By Ben Nicholson-Smith | February 10, 2011 at 11:15am CDT

The Angels won their arbitration hearing with Jered Weaver, MLBTR has learned. As our Arb Tracker shows, the Angels offered $7.365MM, while Weaver and agent Scott Boras countered with an $8.8MM submission.

Weaver earned $4.625MM last year and pitched like an ace. He posted a 3.01 ERA with 9.3 K/9 and 2.2 BB/9 in 224 1/3 innings. The 28-year-old fly ball pitcher made the All-Star team and finished sixth in the voting for the AL Cy Young Award.

Ross Ohlendorf won his hearing with the Pirates earlier in the week, so teams and players have each won one of the two hearings to take place so far this offseason. Ten arbitration eligible players remain unsigned for 2011.

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  1. bjsguess

    12 years ago

    Wow. Didn’t think that would happen.

    The real question is whether beating Weaver is really “winning” or not.

    Reply
    • Greyson Peltier

      12 years ago

      I don’t think it is. The only “winning” would have been a civilized agreement.

      Reply
  2. Sniderlover

    12 years ago

    First win for the Angels in the off-season after brutal losses.

    Congratz!

    Reply
    • nats2012

      12 years ago

      I dont agree with it being a win, lets see when he becomes a free agent who won.

      Reply
      • KenJr1918

        12 years ago

        Of course it’s a win. Hurt feelings in this arbitration loss won’t be an issue when he becomes a FA. He will only come back to the Angels if they are the highest bidder anyway.

        Reply
        • NickinIthaca

          12 years ago

          That is too true… Chances are he was planning on testing the waters

          Reply
  3. tenten

    12 years ago

    ORLANDO CABRERA TO CLEVELAND, MAJOR LEAGUE CONTRACT, ONE YEAR, 1 MILLION APROX.

    Reply
    • Infield Fly

      12 years ago

      Well! THAT’S nice and relevant to this thread! :p

      (Good heads-up anyway…I think?)

      Reply
      • Gumby65

        12 years ago

        I guess we can take solace in the fact it wasn’t NYY or BOS breaking news.

        Reply
        • wickedkevin

          12 years ago

          NYY SIGN BEN SHEETS TO MAJOR LEAGUE CONTRACT, ONE YEAR, 20 MILLION APPROX

          Reply
  4. inleylandwetrust

    12 years ago

    The arbitrators must have felt bad for the Angels and gave them a break.

    Reply
  5. daveineg

    12 years ago

    Always glad to see the team win. When a team wins, all the other teams win as well.

    Reply
  6. wickedkevin

    12 years ago

    Too little too late.

    Reply
  7. James Stevens

    12 years ago

    Weaver will be worth more as a FA next year anyway. And he will remember the Angels stiffing him that extra few bucks while trading for crappy Vernon Wells and his 84 Million.

    Reply
    • Jonathan Stone

      12 years ago

      First, Weaver isn’t a FA until after 2012, and I actually think this helps the Angels negotiate a 3 year deal to buy out his first year of FA, they could offer $30/3 years, which would be a rais this year, guaranteed money for 2 more years, in effect paying him $15M in 2013, which is a slight discount from the $17-20M he will likely command as the dominant FA starter in 2013, provided he continues to produce at this level.

      Reply
      • Joshua

        12 years ago

        Small problem: His agent is Boras. He’s not likely to give away 1 FA year for that kind of discount. It costs his client money AND pushes FA a year farther away.

        Reply
        • Jonathan Stone

          12 years ago

          It’s guaranteed money, and it is typical of extensions for players under control to give up 1 year of FA in order to lock in a dollar amount. Whether it is $30M or $35, ultimately, it is good business for Boras, his client and, with a talent like Weaver, the Angels.

          Reply
          • Joshua

            12 years ago

            No it’s not. If he gives up that 1 year he could potentially be costing his client 10s of millions of dollars if he gets hurt. Risk/reward with Boras usually points to either a long term extension, or FA as soon as possible.

            Reply
    • bjsguess

      12 years ago

      I definitely think that this *could* play out as a factor. However, Weaver is represented by Boras. The guy who drills in his clients the fact that they have no allegiance to an organization or fan base. 90% chance that Weaver was going to head to the team that paid him the most before the hearing. Those odds probably increased to 95%.

      Reply
    • Ethan Hollenback

      12 years ago

      Believe me Weaver wants to stay an Angel. The angels will give him a pretty good offer, as long as he gets close to marker value I don’t see him becoming a free agent.

      Reply
      • Adam E

        12 years ago

        He got over a million less than he thought he was worth. There are going to be some hard feeling to overcome if he is to stay in LA.

        Reply
        • KenJr1918

          12 years ago

          Hard feelings mean exactly squat in Boras led negotiations. If the Angels pay him the most money come FA time, he will remain an Angel. If not, he will sign with the team that does.

          Reply
          • NickinIthaca

            12 years ago

            I feel like hard or good feelings really mean squat in Boras negotiations. And I feel like Reagins and the Angels brass know that and figured they’d play it hard, since Weaver would be testing FA anyway (similar to the reason that the Cards haven’t countered Pujols in my opinion). Lord knows Arte has a beef with Boras already. Why not play hardball

            Reply
          • YanksFanSince78

            12 years ago

            And how often has Moreno paid top dollar for a Boras client? Or any FA in the last 4 years for that matter? They missed out on Tex, Beltre, Crawford, etc.

            Reply
            • KenJr1918

              12 years ago

              Exactly, which makes the savings in arbitration look even better. He is more than likely to sign elsewhere anyway.

              Reply
      • KenJr1918

        12 years ago

        Since when do Scott Boras clients not test free agency?

        Reply
      • YanksFanSince78

        12 years ago

        No offense, but how do you know that he absolutely wants to stay and Angel? Let’s assume that he does though. Why shouldn’t he ask for and get AT LEAST MARKET VALUE or more, which is usually what happens when an elite pitching talent hits the open market.

        Consider this:

        -The Angels have a horrible record keeping or obtaining Boras clients as FA.
        -They just jerked him over a mil.
        -He’s going to be 30 when he hits free agency. Why should he settle for “a pretty good offer…….. close to marker value”.

        I dig that he’s a California product and I’m not saying he will be a Yankee, but there will be a ton of teams looking for pitching and he’s among the best.

        Reply
    • YanksFanSince78

      12 years ago

      I was thinking the same thing. How can Weaver not look at Wells each and everyday in the clubhouse and not remember that the Angels stiffed him over a couple of million?

      Reply
  8. Kickme Inthenads

    12 years ago

    Boras loses. What a glorious day.

    Reply
  9. Ben_Cherington

    12 years ago

    Maybe the arbitrator felt bad for the Halos! HE knew that had been screwed by everyone else the winter!!

    Reply
  10. mickd17

    12 years ago

    Hard to believe Weaver will be the lowest paid starter in the Angels rotation this season… Haren ($12.75mm), Kazmir ($12mm), Santana ($8mm), Pineiro ($8mm)

    I can hear him counting down the days ’til free agency in 2013!!

    Reply
    • YanksFanSince78

      12 years ago

      Wow…that just makes it worse.

      Reply
  11. Slopeboy

    12 years ago

    That knocks Boras down a peg, doesn’t it? …Well, maybe half a peg?

    Reply
    • bbbman

      12 years ago

      He goes from the number 1 agent to the number 1 agent.

      Reply
  12. Karan

    12 years ago

    Yay ! They are willing to fight for 1M but will gladly take 84M Wells is owned. I love baseball man.

    Reply
    • NickinIthaca

      12 years ago

      Best perspective ever…ds

      Reply
  13. NathanielS

    12 years ago

    Wow we beat Boras, and probably pissed of our ace. Short sighted thinking.

    Reply
  14. grant77

    12 years ago

    This decision pegs Weaver’s value at just over 12 mil on the open market. Epic fail by the arbitrator.

    Reply
    • WasianCU

      12 years ago

      This isn’t the open market…

      Reply
      • grant77

        12 years ago

        Second year arbitration is supposed to represent 60% of the players value on the open market.

        Reply
        • WasianCU

          12 years ago

          Ignore this.

          Reply
        • cookmeister

          12 years ago

          so 12 mil X 60%????

          thats 7.2 mil

          Reply
          • grant77

            12 years ago

            And that’s about what Weaver got. It’s 12.275 mil if you want to be very specific.

            Reply
  15. Nick

    12 years ago

    More like “Angels piss off ace pitcher then wonder why he wants to get away from Anaheim in two years”

    Reply
    • Ryan Murphy

      12 years ago

      Everyone is forgetting who Scott Boras is.. It doesn’t matter if he is pissed off or not, he isn’t going to give the Angels a discount come free agent time anyway. He will go for the highest bidder, Angels will sign him if they pay him the most money.

      Reply
      • YanksFanSince78

        12 years ago

        I think the best hope the Angels had was to hope that there best offer was close enough that his desire to stay with the team was great enough to overcome the difference. Sort of like..

        Angels offer 6/$120 + his desire to stay > $132 mil from anyone else.

        Reply
  16. Andrew

    12 years ago

    I thought Weaver was a lock to win his case. This is very short sighted on the Angels behalf, it could bite them in the ass with Boras next summer.

    Reply
  17. davengmusic

    12 years ago

    $8.8M was a steal as it was. They better lock him up for a few years soon, or he’s going to get into the upper 10’s. Especially with the shortage of star starters.

    Reply
  18. Matt

    12 years ago

    This is probably a bigger loss for the angels in the long term than any sort of gain. Why wouldn’t weaver be worth the extra million? That’s a sick joke compared to Wells’ contract. Weaver deserves way more than that… and the angels spit in his face.

    Reply
    • bjsguess

      12 years ago

      They aren’t the same … not even close. You cannot compare the arbitration process to signing a free agent contract or acquiring talent via trades.

      No question that the Angels screwed the pooch royally with the Wells deal, but that doesn’t mean that they should overpay (according to the arbiters) for Weaver.

      Reply
      • Matt

        12 years ago

        Just because the arbiters picked the angels’ over weaver’s submission doesn’t make that a realistic value for weaver. As one poster above said, he will now be the lowest paid SP in the rotation. That’s retarded. I hope he leaves LA and comes directly to Toronto. We’ll pay him a fair price.

        Reply
        • bjsguess

          12 years ago

          Matt – you are missing the point. Arbitration values don’t mean a thing when compared against FA values. In almost EVERY case a player under team controlled arbitration years will earn significantly less than they would make on the open market as a FA.

          Weaver isn’t being compared to Haren or Kazmir or even Santana (who decided to forgo arbitration and sign a long-term contract). Instead you need to look at Marcum, Liriano, Garza, etc as better comps from a financial perspective.

          To be clear – on the open market Weaver is worth significantly more than $7.3m. However, the arbitration panel had only to determine if his value was more or less than $8.1m. In this case they said that Weaver was worth less. Agree or disagree, an impartial panel set Weaver’s (and his comparables) to this value.

          Reply
    • KenJr1918

      12 years ago

      And that will mean nothing come FA negotiation time. If the Angels offer him the biggest contract come FA time, he will remain an Angel. If not, he will go where the money is greatest. This is a nice win for the Angels.

      Reply
  19. MadmanTX 2

    12 years ago

    Great way to make Weaver happy to be an Angel.

    Reply
  20. Karkat

    12 years ago

    I just picture Tony Reagins doing a massive fist pump while saying “All according to plan.”

    Reply
  21. Lunchbox45

    12 years ago

    I started a joke that involved a conversation with Weaver and Vernon wells on the first day of spring training…

    I lost my mojo half way through.

    feel free to run with it

    Reply
    • YanksFanSince78

      12 years ago

      (Wells) “So Jared..” (JW) “Yeah…hey Vern”….(Wells) “So they..” (JW) “Nope they didn’t”…(Wells) “Dude I’m sor..” (JW) “Don’t worry ’bout it”. (Wells) “Drinks on me?” (JW) “D@mn skippy they are”.

      Reply
  22. Steve B

    12 years ago

    How come in your writeups of Weaver you always fail to mention he led MLB in strikeouts last year?

    Reply
    • Lunchbox45

      12 years ago

      mlbtr is run by a secret group of mlb owners whose sole objective is to win arbitration cases and keep jermaine dye out of baseball.

      Reply
      • $1519287

        12 years ago

        Wow Lunchbox45, I thought that was our secret.

        – BNS

        Reply
        • Lunchbox45

          12 years ago

          I cracked under the pressure and leaked the information. I apologize. I hope we can still be friends

          LB45

          Reply
  23. Mack22

    12 years ago

    I agree with most here, the Angels will end up losers in this deal.

    Reply
  24. PushDown

    12 years ago

    Only way Angels win is a multi-year contract.

    Reply
  25. Commander_Nate

    12 years ago

    He got right in line with what his comps (Hernandez, Verlander and Josh Johnson) got during 2nd year arb. Get to work on something like a 5/80 extension for him just like Felix and Verlander signed.

    Reply
    • Jon Stark

      12 years ago

      Won’t happen, not with Boras as his agent. Either the Angels pay big now, or they compete against the field once he hits FA.

      Reply
      • KenJr1918

        12 years ago

        They’d have to compete against the field anyway. Boras isn’t into giving home team discounts, he simply goes to the highest bidder. The money the Angels just saved they can put towards the contract offer they tender him when he becomes a FA.

        Reply
        • YanksFanSince78

          12 years ago

          Well Cargo’s desire to extend with the Rox showed that Boras won’t stand in the way of clients who want to stay with their home team and avoid the open market. I don’t think the Angels are creating and atmosphere were Weaver feels like doing that though.

          Reply
    • NathanielS

      12 years ago

      Or 90/6 I think he would jump at, next off season. If the Angels don’t pretend they are the only team that exist again.

      Reply
      • KenJr1918

        12 years ago

        Please cite an example where a top Boras client signed an extension a year before becoming a FA.

        Reply
        • NathanielS

          12 years ago

          I can’t. Just operating on the idea that they have had contract negotiation, recently.

          Reply
        • vtadave

          12 years ago

          Andruw Jones

          I think there were one or two others, but year, definitely the exception rather than the rule.

          Reply
        • Commander_Nate

          12 years ago

          Carlos Gomez, 7/80 barely 3 months ago for starters.

          Reply
          • Commander_Nate

            12 years ago

            *Gonzalez

            Reply
          • cookmeister

            12 years ago

            i dont htink carGo was going to be a FA next year, which is what he was asking

            Reply
          • YanksFanSince78

            12 years ago

            Cargo was several years away from free agency. He wasn’t even arbitration eligible so he was at least 4 years away from the open market.

            Reply
        • YanksFanSince78

          12 years ago

          Exactly. Why go that far on a year to year basis then sign an extension a year away from free agency?

          Reply
      • bjsguess

        12 years ago

        I wouldn’t give him 6/$90. If he has a great year again in 2011 he’s looking at $10m payday for 2012. That would essentially give him a 5/$80 deal for his FA years. That’s a lot of dough and certainly not much of a discount given that you are making the deal 2 years before it needs to be done.

        I would see where this season goes. If he repeats then you go to the table next year and be prepared for 6/$100m type deal. If he turns in a year with an ERA in the low 4’s then you can get him for significantly less.

        As an Angels fan I certainly hope for a repeat of 2010. As a realist I don’t see that happening at all. I’m hopeful for an ERA in the mid 3’s and 200 IP.

        Reply
  26. MikeDroid

    12 years ago

    damn angels why do this to us fans? give jered w/e he wants. you cant trrade for a contract like wells and then shove it to the face of your franchise….

    Reply
    • bjsguess

      12 years ago

      As a fan you want the organization to spend money they don’t need to? Two wrongs don’t make a right. They screwed up on Wells. That means they have to be even MORE cautious with other signings.

      The fact is that this will most likely have very little impact on Weaver’s decision to stay with the team after the 2012 season.

      Reply
  27. Commander_Nate

    12 years ago

    *er Gonzales…you know what I meant.

    Reply

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