The Orioles no-hit the Tigers on this date in 1967, but Detroit walked ten times and still managed a 2-1 win. Here are some Tigers-related notes to begin the week before tonight's game against the Royals…
- Tigers manager Jim Leyland hinted that the Tigers could option Max Scherzer to the minor leagues for a time if his struggles continue. "There are always choices," the skipper said, according to Lynn Henning of the Detroit News. Scherzer has a 7.77 ERA with 10.0 K/9 and 4.8 BB/9 five starts into the season.
- Drew Sharp of the Detroit Free Press says the three-way trade that sent Curtis Granderson to New York for Scherzer, Austin Jackson and Daniel Schlereth “remains in the best long-range interests of the Tigers” because they cashed in their best trade chip for players with star potential.
- Leyland says the Tigers need to get Scherzer going, according to Sharp. "There's no question about that,” Leyland said. “I'm not mad at him. I love the guy. But it's just the facts. We need to get him going.”
- Longtime Tiger Brandon Inge is expected to join the Athletics in Boston today, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports. Inge agreed to terms with the A's yesterday.
Yanks def won that trade for now. If Max and Jackson ever put it all together they will potentially win that trade by the end. As of now they haven’t. Jackson strikes out entirely too much, isn’t racking up crazy SB numbers, has zero power, and is extremely streaky with the bat. Max doesn’t get super deep in games, and has a problem with the big inning collapse. Meanwhile Granderson steals bags, hits like an MVP, and plays a solid CF. All of that while also being a class act, and writing positive children s literature. I’m a Sox fan and its hard not to like the guy.
Not hard for me to not like him. But yeah without a doubt I think the Yankees won that trade. I don’t think Jackson or Max can make up the production that Granderson provided for the Yankees the past few years. Max walks too many guys and Jackson strikes out too much.
If you compare 2011 season numbers:
Stolen bases- Jackson -22 Granderson – 25
Strikeouts – Jackson – 181 Granderson – 169
Hits – Jackson -147 Granderson – 153
The biggest difference between the 2 players is the power with Granderson’s hits. He was my favourite player when he was in Detroit
Granderson is dominating the WAR arguement though. That power is a huge winning factor as well. RBI’s too. All things Jackson can’t do. Jacksons batting average ability is lower too, unless he gets an inflated BABIP rate.
This wasn’t just a two team trade, though. I don’t think it’s fair to say that the Yankees won the trade based on Scherzer’s performance when he didn’t even come from the Yankees’ system. This was a three-way trade that bolstered areas for all three teams where they otherwise had deficiencies.
Yeah but it took the Yanks sending players to Arizona (Kennedy I believe) to get Scherzer to Detroit. Either way it doesn’t matter. The article refered to them head to head. Scherzer ended up in Detroit because they wanted him as part of a Granderson deal so for all intents and purposes Scherzer legally DID come from the Yankees via Arizona. So yeah his ups and downs are all up for the comparison. Yanks won for now.
Yanks won that trade? Tigers were able to resign Verlander long term. Also it helped us get VMart, and when he went down Fielder. I’ll take VMart, Fielder, Verlander, Scherzer, and Austin over Granderson personally.
No Curtis wasn’t a factor in allowing the Tigers to re-sign Verlander. He is on a 5yr30M deal not major money in anyway. Even with Curtis when the Tiggers money came off the books in 2011 they could have signed V-Mart and Prince this offseason. So take away all three of those non factors because not only would he have not held up the re-sign and acquisitions but also those are irrelevant factors in winning a trade. Winning a trade is who got what over who got what. So far Yanks have won. Not by a ton but by enough. For now.
I still think the Tigers won the trade. Jackson is still young, as is scherzer and Granderson’s numbers are getting a huge boost thanks to that sandbox. Also the Tigers got Coke and Schlereth in that deal. Both of which were vital to the team in their playoff push last season. Give me depth with potential over a .260 hitter any day. Also when he was with the Tigers he could not hit lefties at all. If we had kept him with our usual terrible coaches he still could not hit lefties.
so Granderson’s suited for Yankees stadium, and it was a good tradeoff for both, and we can look back at it now and see that the yankees bullpen is doing damn well, while coke helps the tigers, and as far as what we gave up everyone wins Ian Kennedy is thriving while if he were to stay in NY he wouldn’t be, and Detroit still can’t give up on Max since he has great potential , they got quantity and quality, and so everyone wins. It’s pointless to make this a contest, and it’s beneficial for all sides to have every side doing well in regards to this past trade as well keeping the doors open for future ones as noone’s trying to rip eachother off. Everyone different pieces to a different puzzle in order to build themselves a contender. So how about we revisit this trade in 5 years when Detroit sees they have acquired good all around talent, THe yankees can either say the cost was worth it if Grandy leaves via FA, and Arizona enjoys qualitypitching from IPK (btw who else did AZ acquire in that trade I’m drawing a blank).
Like I said time is on the Tigers side they still have time to win the trade for now IMO they lost.
Can you imagine if Granderson was still in the Tigers lineup? My God!!!
He wouldn’t have near the same power he does now. Playing in Yankee stadium does wonders for lefty “power” hitters.
East Coast Bias
Also, working with Kevin Long. Do you remember his R/L splits when he was a Tiger?
This was going to be my point. He wouldn’t be the hitter he is now if he stayed in Detroit.
It’s hard to definitively say that, but I think it’s fair to say that the Yankee coaching staff did wonders that the Tigers’ staff could not do.
Yes I am a die hard Tigers fan and I agree with you 100%. Granderson was good with us, but he really hit his potential in NYY and he could not do that with us. We had him hitting leadoff! Kevin Long is a great hitting coach.
I’m not sure he’s really any better. He put up the same bWAR last year that he did in 2008 as a Tiger. And in 2007 was actually a much better year for him. They may have righted problems that he had his last two years in Detroit, but his overall stats are very similar in 2007, 2008, and 2011. (aside from the extra HRs)
East Coast Bias
Rare instance where a three way trade worked out for all teams involved.
Jackson- 6 years of control for likely a total of $15m or less and after the 6 yrs is up he’s 29, so 2-4 more years of peak performance if they want to throw $ at him in FA ….Granderson-4 years of control for $40m, and at the end he will be 33 in 2014, so 1-2 more years of peak performance for 15m-17m a year… Max and Porcello may not make it through their 6 years with Detroit as their arbitration expense may not justify their performance…talent is there on both, they just haven’t put it together….surely one will go, maybe both in the next 18 months. Schlererth is an unknown still and Coke looks like a LOOGY, but a dependable one…that deal was more about cost and control for Detroit, peak cost controlled performance from a LH bat for the Yanks and upgrading the arm talent in AZ…good trade all around..
East Coast Bias
Porcello wasn’t a part of that trade. He’s homegrown.