The Pirates, Reds, and Indians are just a few of the teams that have called the Padres about Carlos Quentin, writes Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.
The Pirates have been connected to Quentin within the past week, but this is the first report that either Ohio team has actually contacted the Padres about their slugging left fielder. Until this point, connection to both teams had been speculation.
Quentin, 29, is a San Diego native who has enjoyed his first season playing in his hometown. He currently boasts a .268/.406/.518 triple slash line and has clubbed seven homers in 138 plate appearances. Like most hitters, he's struggled tremendously at Petco Park. Small sample warnings apply, but Quentin has hit just .196/.288/.348 in 14 home games compared to .318/.477/.636 in 19 games on the road.
As Heyman notes, the Padres would need to acquire a return which they deem more valuable than the draft pick Quentin could net them. The new collective bargaining agreement muddles the situation, however, as an acquiring team would not be able to collect a draft pick for him at season's end. That, of course, will make it more difficult for Padres GM Josh Byrnes to net quality prospects in exchange for Quentin's bat.
Heyman also writes that the Tigers and Blue Jays were both seen as fits for Quentin at one point, but that may no longer be the case. The Tigers likely prefer an infielder and/or starting pitcher with Delmon Young's bat coming around, and the Blue Jays are more likely to pursue pitching as well.
The Marlins placed a call about Quentin at one point, according to Heyman, but it's unclear whether or not the acquisition of Carlos Lee has taken them out of the Quentin market.
A right-handed power hitter would very much fit in at Great American Park.
But what do you give up to get him?
Gregorius or maybe Tony Cingrani?
It’s a striaght up ‘No’ from me on Cingrani. He is an absolute beast and a desperately needed LHP in our rotation in a few years that throws hard. He has a sub 2 ERA at every level so far (at AA right now).
Now, Gregorious I would probably be willing to part with for the Quentin rental.
I’d look, SS, MLB ready OF’s but always pitching. I’m aware of Cingrani. He’s shooting up the prospect chart proving he can be an effective starter against the tougher competition. I like him a lot! Padres maybe content for Cabrera, Amarista or possibly even Forysthe for now at SS. They have been decimated by injuries. Hard to say, but I would guess pitching. But not sure out that possible impact position player.
Cingrani and Daniel Corcino are our tier SP prospects in the minors. While tier 2 would be the likes of Kyle Lotzkar and JC Sulabran. Robert Stephenson was our first round pick in 2011, so I highly doubt we trade him for Quentin. Other than that, there isn’t much SP pitching depth in our system you would want.
The deal would probably be one of the tier 2 pitchers or Didi + a lower level prospect.
I’m with you on Cingrani, he is going nowhere.
Maybe Didi and Ryan LaMarre with a lower level pitcher say Kyle Lotzkar ? I would rather go hard for Justin Upton as he’s got the talent, youth, and under team control for a while. A future outfield of Stubbs, Bruce and Upton hell of a young outfield and speedy with power, but Drew has got to get out of his slump and stop striking out . But get Quentin i would not complain at all. Big power bat at little GABP and solves our left field issue this year
I see quality of quantity from what I hear, and read from the Padres FO.
Who would you be interested in a package thats realistic?
I believe people on here are massively underrating his value, and also overrating his value. Lotzkar could make sense, but I could see the Padres passing. Gregorius could be expendable because of some the aforementioned reasons above. What I am suggesting, if the Reds don’t overpay, their not the best match.
I don’t think people are trying to underrate or overrate Quentin’s value on here. He’s a rental, so naturally any team interested is going to be cautious about what it gives up especially if it doesn’t believe resigning him is possible.
I definately think the Reds could be a match. The ML team’s core is place for the next few years, with really only LF being the question mark now that Frazier has emerged as the future at 3B.
Alot of our prospects might be younger, but most of would be blocked regardless. Depends what one would consider an overpay. Personally, making a run in the playoffs is far more important to me than “what could be” with a player or two years from now.
” Personally, making a run in the playoffs is far more important to me than “what could be” with a player or two years from now.”
Exactly why I am not sure it’s not necessarily unrealistic.
Cozart is the future 3B. They’ll have to move him for Billy Hamilton eventually. Walt also thinks Frazier’s best position is LF. It would have to be if he’s going to stay.
Everything I’ve read is Frazier is the future at 3B, with the plan to move Hamilton to CF. Where do you get Cozart moving to 3B?
To add to that, it wouldn’t be the first time a team dealt a prospect for a rental that was right around the top 100 (94 overall according to John Sickles) or under. To be fair.
Way too much. Way way way too much.
Justin Upton to the Reds for Andrew Brackman, Paul Janish, Wilson Valdez, Mike Costanzo and $5,000,000
HAHAHA, sorry buddy but Cingrani is UNTOUCHABLE. We will NOT give you anymore prospects, NO TO QUENTIN.
Gregorius does not appear to be an upgrade over Valdez at San Antonio; therefore, I do not think that the Reds match up well with the Padres. I really think if the Padres are going to trade a position player, they need to get a postion player back that has the potential to make it to MLB. Would Gregorius ever beat out Cabera at SS, doubtful. If Gregorius had to hit at Wolf Stadium, his stats would be much worse then they are now.
Gregorius is putting together a nice year and has a much higher ceiling than Valdez. Pre-2012 he [Gregorius] was rated the Reds number three prospect by MLB. They have two SS’s that could intrigue the Padres because of the log-jam of Cozart, Hamilton.
The notion of trading a position player in attempt to receive a position player in return sounds nice. But how many teams match up? How many teams have what we need value wise, and will make that deal?
Valdez is doing nothing at San Antonio to impress. He’s also more of a second baseman, not a SS as Gregorius is.
I would think pitching first because of the top prospects the Padres have seen fallen to the injury bug. Yes, I want offense also. But pitching wins baseball games, and there has to be a match.
I do not think Valdez will ever be good enough to make it to the big leagues, nor do I think Gregorius will either; therefore, why trade for him. The Padres do not match up well with the Reds, unless they want to expand the trade and pickup Marte in the deal.
I’m not saying we should necessarily. I am saying the Padres could view things differently. The Padres weakest spot is at short. Gregorius is MUCH more highly touted than Valdez. It doesn’t matter what your or I may think. It’s what the consensus of the talent evaluators do. And based upon his performance, ceiling, tools and ranking, it would seem they disagree with your assessment.
I would prefer a bat like you would. I don’t see a match. Not with the Reds.
Marte? He’s with the Pirates, not sure where you’re going there.
The Reds have some pitching prospects and middle infielders that are attractive. Hence my initial comment.
Quentin could not land Marte. Headley, maybe.
I don’t know what the full trade would look like but I’d start with DiDi Gregorius if I was the Reds. We don’t need him with Cozart and we’d still have H-Rod and Billy Hamilton.
It would probably be Didi + a C type prospect.
Let the bidding war begin. As a Padre fan this is the best news I’ve heard all day. If they can deal Quentin to the Reds or Indians, they will still have Headley to deal to the Pirates. Keep loading up the system Mr. Byrnes, one of these days we’ll have a winner.
keep headley
Unless someone offers enough. Just “keep headley”? Listen to offers. He’s the most sought after player right now. His value will never be higher. If a team will over pay in a bleak third base market, (weak FA class next year) pull the trigger with Forsythe as a stop gap, and Gyorko knocking, check that- breaking down the proverbial MLB door. Also could have Darnell healthy next year. Give me a run producer over a walking machine.
I prefer to keep the teams best player unless you can get a top 15 prospect, Gyorko will be an above average starter but a pretty steep step down from Headley, play him at second. As for the run producer crap i prefer the best players, RBI is a largely random stat that is useless. Hey if you want to get considerably worse trading headley is the way to go.
There’s no indication one way or the other dealing Headley for the right price would make the team worse. We need production. And it remains to be seen if Gyorko can be an adequate 2B.
As Mickey says below, if the Padres are blown away by an offer they would be fools not to deal Headley with Gyorko waiting in the wings. By the end of the year I would love to see a lineup of Marte(acquired in a deal for Headley), Maybin, Venable, Gyorko, Cabrera, Amarista, Alonso, and Grandal. The Padres have seemed to have preformed better the last few years when they have gone with the young guys and that lineup would have some potential. Let the kids grow up together.
There’s absolutely no way that the Pirates would give up Marte for Headley. Makes no sense
and there is no way the padres should accept marte as the biggest piece for headley, makes no sense.
Eventually you guys will have our entire farm system while we have your above average major leaguers.
and ryan ludwick
As long as we keep getting your upper end prospects I`m OK with that. Sooner or later, some of these guys will graduate to the Majors and then look out. 🙂
Looking over the Reds lineup, I`m kind of surprised they haven`t shown any interest in Headley. He would put up great numbers in that park and that lineup. He would obviously cost more than Quentin, but having him under control for another two years would/should compensate for the better prospects going the other way.
We already have a jam at 3rd this year with Rolen and Fraizer. Fraizer is currently our future at 3B, and if he doesn’t work out we have Henry Rodriguez or Didi Gregorious in the upper minors that could man 3B. Simply put, we don’t need a 3B, but we do need a left fielder.
I don’t think Headley appeals to the Pirates as much as he did a couple months ago before Alvarez broke out. Quentin would be a perfect fit for RF and wouldn’t cost a top tier prospect (Cole, Taillon, Marte, Bell, Heredia, Hanson).
Not sure if you are a Pirate fan or not, but why are the Pirates so set against moving Alvarez to 1st? It wouldn’t be the first time a young slugger got moved across the diamond. Thome, Giambi, Pujols and Cabrera just to name a few. Getting Headley would be the Pirates best bet at contneding for the next couple of years and after all these years you’d think they would want to extend this window.
I am a Pirates fan, yes. I think the thought is that as long as he’s agile enough to play the position, he’s much more valuable at the hot corner. There were some that thought his defense would be terrible, but he’s been passable over there. A lot of it has to do with a cannon arm, but he’s better than people give him credit for.
Ultimately, he’ll probably end up at 1B, but it will probably be 3 or 4 years from now. It’s not ideal, but a Jones/McGehee platoon is good enough for 1B now as both are hitting well recently but offer enough versatility to move around (Jones to RF, McGehee to 3B) if needed.
Headley would be an upgrade and is probably better than most people think, but either his value or Alvarez’ value would be diminished by moving off of 3B. Given that they still don’t have a lot of positions solidified long term, I think they would be better served to either add a plug-and-play RF for this year (rental), or another guy they could control.
It comes down to value and I think the Pirates would have to overpay too much for Headley, but Quentin would be a perfect fit. Honestly, I would see Quentin turning around and re-signing in San Diego next year anyway.
I think the possibility of Quentin signing with the Padres in the off season is quite strong as well. He seems to like it there and if the money is close, playing at home should be enough to tilt the scales in favor of San Diego.
I think something like Robbie Grossman and Bryan Morris for Quentin would be an interesting trade possibility.
Grossman was on the fringes (near miss) of a few offseason Top 100 lists and has turned it on again in the last two months after a week-long mystery suspension.
If the Pirates move him and a guy like Morris, they are able to give the Padres two solid pieces without upsetting the core of prospects.
San Diego gets a future leadoff-type OF and a bullpen arm that is major league-ready.
Grossman has “turned it on” for about a month of real time. I meant June and July, post-suspension
I think that works. That or substitute Grossman for Polanco.
It might be Gregory Polanco and somebody because the Padres have scouts at the Pirates A level club, West Virginia.
Well Neil and company feel it is easier to find a 1stbasemen then a power hitting 3rdbaeman. He has a good arm and that makes the hard plays look easy but the routine plays he struggles on occasion. We have ourcmbo of Jones and Casey withMatt hagu in jeff clement in the miors all capable of playing first with different variations of success.
Because his defense isn’t bad. His UZR has been steadily trending upwards. He takes pride in it and despite his frame seems determined to become a better fielder. I would hope for an Aramis kind of trajectory.
I’m not saying Alvarez is a bad 3rd baseman, I’m just saying that Headley seems to fit what they are doing a little more. He’s controllable and he would help them contend into the future as well as this year, not to mention he is a very good defensive 3rd baseman.
I wonder what they do with Ludwick if we get Quentin?
hopefully keep him put heisey in center and tell stubbs to take a hike
Would the Padres offer Carlos Quentin the estimated $12 million one-year contract needed in order to collect draft picks if Quentin declines the offer?
I think they would.
I’d really like to see the Reds get Quentin. Having him bat clean-up to protect Votto and getting BP back to lead off is what this offense needs. Plus it would block him from going to the Pirates.
I think Didi would be apart of the package, along with who else I’m not really sure.
to summarize all possible fan trade proposals
Padres Fans: We need impact players so quality over quantity
Reds/Indians/Pirates Fans: We dont NEED quentin and we arent going to give up one of our top prospects so we will offer you 2 B prospects or 3 C prospects.
Padres Fans: No
Reds/Inidians/Pirates Fans: Well you’re dumb
Padres Fans: you’re dumb
And so forth, feel free to plug any other possible trade canidate from any other team.
He’d be an OK rental for the rest of the season. Being that he is a rental there is no way I’d be happy if the Reds gave up any of their top 10 prospects for him. He may be worth a good prospect or two but small market teams can’t afford to give away top prospects for short term players.
You have to go all in to try to win a World Series/deep playoff run every once in awhile. Also as a small market team, you have to take these risks to try to achieve something more than a one series and done team (a la 2010).
Imo, and it’s not really relavent, but the Reds did a smart job of not using Cozart as trade filler at any point in the past. He went from C+ prospect one year, to a top 100 prospect who looks like he can give you Stephen Drew like production on the cheap.
We did that with our off season trades and wiped out the upper half of our farm systems. Our all in is already done.
Our all in is more like half way done. We went all in for pitching, but never addressed the holes(clean-up, lead off, LF) in the offense which recently are being exploited.
The Reds are 17th in runs, 20th BA, and 20th in OBP. Thats far from being a team that should be considered “all in”. I agree with TophersReds, sometimes you have to just take a chance and go for a deep playoff run/world series.
I also don’t think there’s a clear cut favorite in the NL this year like the AL (Texas or NY). Making a move at the deadline to improve the offense would be considered more going “all in”.
In regards to Quentin, he might not be the guy. However I’d feel much more comfortable going forward this season offensively with a 1-5 of Phillips, Cozart, Votto, Quentin, Bruce than what we have now. Even if that means giving up a couple more prospects.
Glad you guys aren’t our GM
Quentin to Pittsburgh, I think this will happen. Makes more sense than Headley at this point.
How about trading him for ‘cash considerations,’ i.e. pay the Padres $3 million.
Doubt that would happen. Maybe in addition to a lower prospect but not cash by itself.
Unless Minny makes Josh willingham avaible I would rather my buccos stay pat with what we got and get a pitcher. Marte will be given a shot at becoming ou everyday LF and is good evenough to move cuth to left in a year. sutton and Jones can hold RF until Tabata gets better
Would you do Grossman and Morris for Quentin (as I mentioned above)?
no, I like polanco + another prospect
I saw Polanco play in person looks like a stud
he looks like the real deal and wouldnt be suprised if he is in out top 20 prospects end of year
I honestly think Polanco is already a Top 10 prospect for the Pirates. My list would be:
1. Cole
2. Taillon
3. Marte
4. Heredia
5. Hanson
6. Bell
7. Polanco
8. Grossman
9. Wilson
10. Locke/Owens/McPherson (can’t decide)
I heard Wilson was throwing 99 mph fastballs in the 6th inning the other night.
I would be ok with Grossman whose at best 2 years away and only a plus bat at CF. Morris and victor black with both be in our bullpe next year and Morris seemsto be groomed to be our future closer. If quentin would sign a 2 year extension at 10 a mill a year no prob
What SP would you like to go after? And if the prospects needed to get Quentin are none of the big 10, why not?
I would’ve preferred the Marlins got Quentin instead of Lee.
NO CARLOS QUENTIN, SORRY. Jocketty will NOT give away anymore of our farm system to the Padres, no way.. Its not happening.. Hamilton, Corcino, Stephenson, Cingrani, Gregorius, Lotzkar, and Joseph are untouchable. If we would trade for Quentin, it would be a package of Neftali Soto and JC Sulbaran, NOTHING MORE. He is not even that good
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I like Gregorius + another prospect for Quentin as sooner as yesterday.
Gotta give up something to get something. 😉
I could see a Quentin for Lotzkar and Yorman Rodriguez type deal. I could also see the Padres keeping Quentin. I wouldnt be surprised if the Padres end up only dealing Kotsay and Thatcher. The Padres need bats and wont get them in FA, so keeping Headley and Quentin fits if the Padres think they can compete next year. With a healthy pitching staff and add Gyorko at 2b, this team could be aplayoff contendr next year.
I could see Thatcher and Kotsay moved. But you won’t get an impact bat for either. Not sold on Gyorko at second. And Amarista and Forsythe have been some of the few bright spots as of late. Gyroko may break in at second, but he will be a MLB third baseman.
Not expecting an impact bat for thatcher or kotsay…. I will take bullpen pieces. Agreed on Gyorko… but would be thrilled if 2013 included Gyorko at 2b and forsythe and amarista as the top infield utility guys.
I’d like to see Gyroko come up and see. From everything I’ve heard his lateral movements are fine, his footwork, and obviously his arm, but is still a work in progress and his range is nowhere near ideal. I’d actually prefer his bat at second because it will profile better there. But it could profile as good as Headley’s. Time will tell. I still see going after more pitching because of all the injuries, then looking high ceiling potential impact bats at corner OF spots and possible SS.
I doubt the Padres target players that would be added to the 40 man roster, have you looked at it lateley? The Padres are gonna have to start cutting people when guys get healthy.
Yeah. But they will part with some also.
Exactly,this is why the targets will be high upside lower minor leaguers.
It depends on who departs.
Which players are you expecting to come back from injuries? Luebke, Moseley, Stauffer, Weiland, Blanks, Darnell, Hermida, Bartlett, and Owings are the only players on the 60 day DL and most of them likely aren’t coming back this year. I see players on the 40 man roster that are expendable like Hamburger and Wagner. Guys like Bartlett, Hermida, and Owings could be DFA’d. I don’t see a problem with 40 man roster space.
Yes. But, I assume any prospects the Padres would bring in would still be here next year. What then happens when 8 players need to come off the DL and rule V decisions are needed? You named 9 guys on the 60 day. What 9 guys will you cut off the 40 man? I see about 7 guys that could be expendable but then add in another 40 man prospect addition and rule 5 protections. It starts to get hard, even if you trade someone off the 40. The Padres have too much young talent on the 40 and at upper minors to continue to add pieces like a Wieland or Erlin. They should be thinking about adding pieces like Portillo, Daal, Domoromo, liriano 2 years ago, etc.
From the sound of what people think the Padres will be able to get for Quentin, I’d rather keep him.
I would only trade him if they got surplus value back or if they determine there is no way they can resign him.
For the Pirates, if they don’t get Upton, a rental player is the best option. For a hitter, maybe Shane Victorino, Carlos Quentin, or Cody Ross. For a pitcher, Hamels, Greinke, Dempster, maybe even Liriano. They would all cost something to get, but to get to the playoffs, it’s worth it. I say get a rental player now, and go ALL OUT in free ageny. Get a hitter and pitcher. Options being, Nick Swisher, B.J. Upton, Curtis Granderson, Melky Cabrera, Michael Bourn, Delmon Young, Josh Hamilton, David Wright, Robinson Cano, Mike Napoli, or Brian McCann. Go all out on a multi-year deal. Honestly, I think Swisher, Granderson, Cabrera, Bourn, and Napoli are serious options. For pitchers, maybe, “Carmona”, Haren, Edwin Jackson, Colby Lewis, Marcum, J. Sanchez, Shields, Saunders, and Ervin Santana. Let’s say the Pirates sign Swisher and Colby Lewis. Two cheaper upgrades to help get them to the playoffs.