6:58pm: The Orioles did have discussions earlier on Lester, but talks have fizzled and there no longer appears to be a match, reports Andy Martino of the New York Daily News.
For what it’s worth, Duquette did tell reporters that he had at least some interest in adding a frontline starter, which is something of a different tone than the club had set in recent days, as Connolly reports. “We’d be interested in adding pitchers that could help us at the top of our rotation,” said Duquette. “Who wouldn’t be?” But Duquette did not waver from his prior statements that Baltimore is quite hesitant to part with young arms: “I think with our young pitchers we would be conservative, and we would try and give them a prolonged trial in the big leagues before we would trade them.”
3:58pm: Told of rumors that a deal could be close, Orioles executive vice president Dan Duquette said that would be “news to him,” as Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com tweets.
3:50pm: Dan Connolly of the Baltimore Sun hears differently than Abraham and Ghiroli, reporting that his sources indicate there’s nothing hot between the two sides at this time (Twitter link).
2:36pm: Abraham tweets that the two sides are in advanced discussions, but the Red Sox have alternatives, should Baltimore not meet their asking price. Ghiroli adds that Baltimore isn’t likely to part with Gausman in a Lester deal, but the two sides are still in serious discussions.
2:25pm: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that a deal isn’t close at this time, although Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com tweets that talks are indeed heating up. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports also tweets that nothing is close to finalization at this point, though that doesn’t preclude a deal from being reached. Andy Martino of the New York Daily news also hears that a deal is possible, but not close at this time (Twitter link).
Kubatko adds that Boston has been asking for Kevin Gausman or Dylan Bundy in talks.
2:20pm: Miguel Gonzalez could be heading to Boston in the deal, Ghiroli tweets. Clearly, he wouldn’t be the centerpiece of the trade.
2:16pm: The Orioles are in advanced talks that would send a pitcher to Boston in exchange for Jon Lester, reports Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe (on Twitter). MLB.com’s Britt Ghiroli tweets that the two sides are “close” to a deal.
We better get Gausman or Bundy
I don’t think Boston will get either.
Why would the Orioles give a top young pitcher for less than half a year of Lester?
Exactly. Look at what the Brewers got for Greinke when they traded him.
They got Jean Segura. Pretty good deal for the Brew crew.
Yeah, but not he’s no where near a Bundy or Gausman level.
Segura is a proven MLB talent. Hard to compare someone who has proven it in the show to someone who hasn’t.
Ok, but to think the Sox are going to get one of the Orioles top 2 pitching prospects is insane. But anything is possible.
Not insane, Orioles are going for it and Lester is an ace.
Segura is a .233 hitter. Hardly proven MLB talent.
At least Segura is playing…and at the time, he was on the same level as those guys.
Segura was considered a fringe prospect. He was a lottery ticket and it hit…
Hmm when I saw him at Inland Empire he was the Angels #2. And was a 70 w the glove according to BA. Don’t know if I would call him fringe.
His bat was a huge question mark and the Angels had a bad farm at that time. It’s like Robbie Ray being the Tigers number 2. No chance he’s that high in 75% of the systems in the league.
He wasn’t considered to be nearly as good as he turned out.
He was a top 50 prospect at the time of the trade. He wasn’t up to the level of a Gaussman or Bundy, but I also wouldn’t call him fringe either.
He was a .313 hitter in the minors. That wasn’t the concern at all. It was his 5’10” height. Most top SS prospects these days are 6’1″ to 6’3″.
Then I’ll say it. 70 with the glove is “Fringe.”
on an 80 scale? So Byron Buxton is a fringe player?
He wasn’t a fringe prospect at all. The only reason he wasn’t higher rated was because some scouts saw him more of a 2B because he lacked classic SS build. The Angels figured he was expendable with Aybar and Kendrick blocking him.
They received a top 50 in Segura and two B/B- pitching prospects.
They want to go all in when the AL east is at it’s weakest
Then they should give up Bundy, Gausman, and Adam Jones
Umm, so they could get one of the best clutch playoff pitchers?
Exactly how often do you expect the Orioles to be in this position
Within their division too? Odd? Is it possible Lester and his agent have a ” gentleman’s” agreement with Boston to resign after the season?
Exactly.
I’d say doubtful unless it involves a bargaining window
Yeah, that’s the only way I could see that happening. But Lester said he wants $23 million per year and I highly doubt the Orioles would/should do that.
When did he say that?
I’d guess it will be Hunter Harvey and then a couple of lesser guys like Josh Hart and Tim Berry.
What?!
WHAAAAA? It better be Erod
Or Ubaldo Jimenez.
Trade a top prospect to rent Lester. Then watch Lester sign back with the Sox, team up with the prospect and kill the Orioles for years to come.
Sad thing is this will prob happen.
I’ve heard that people close to Lester have said that he won’t re-sign with Boston in the off-season.
Sources ?
On MLBTradeRumors somwhere.
I heard (read) that he would not resign during this season but that he would have no problem coming back even if he was traded.
I heard the same thing twice from different people on Mike and Mike that he would like to come back to Boston next year.
Top prospect? The man is 30 years old. Lol And has proven his worth in the MLB. He’s anything but a prospect.
Lol.
you won the internet today
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Excellent
Probably Bundy and thats it.
Bundy is a once a gen pitching prospect. It’s more than just the 98+ mph heater.
He entered minor league ball and threw an acculmative no hitter through several games. I forget exactly but he didn’t give up a hit until his 7th or 10th start. He then ran right thru his first two levels not giving up a homer, with a video game ERA and FIP
was once is not right now.
he isnt doing very well since coming back from TJS.
You must be pretty young. He’s still coming back, building back up velocity and touch. This is pretty normal for TJ. He was a HS pick so he’s still insanely young. You can give up on him if you want, but if he were in the draft this year, he’d be younger than the college picks.
He’s only been back a few weeks. Basemonkey is a knowledgeable, respected poster, you should listen to him, and learn something.
A pitcher? As in one??!
Going to be a top prospect, though.
It won’t be either Bundy or Gausman.
for 12 starts? As in twelve?!
The Cubs got a huge haul for Garza last season. Just sounds low given the market even if its a top prospect.
And the Cubs fleeced Daniels on that trade.
Yes!!! Keep him away from the NL!
Interesting. Never thought the Orioles would have a chance.
Hopefully O’s only have to give up Eduardo Rodriguez, Bundy or Gausman is too much for a guy O’s can sign in off season.
Only?
NOOOOO! I guess the Jays still have the 2nd wild card
Good thing dodgers didn’t give up, a top prospect .
Good for the O’s. It’s nice to see them playing well the last few years. Hope they can sign him as well.
Isn’t this the guy that was talking trash about Cruz? How is this a good fit for the clubhouse?
You’re thinking of Lackey.
Yeah I don’t think Lester has ever said anything bad about anyone.
First Doubront…now Lester, no!
Then lackey
Maybe Lackey to your Pirates? He’d be a huge upgrade, but not as good as a Lester type…
Probably not a huge upgrade, but still an upgrade
Well, Lackey has actually pitched decently this year.
If the Red Sox don’t get a decent hitting prospect, I’m baffled. They already have 123892342 pitching prospects.
It’s gonzo
Lol no. That would be extremely silly of Boston. It will be Bundy or Gausman likely.
Why would the Red Sox deal Lester within the division? Also, if he resigns with the Red Sox immediately after the season, the league better take a hard look at the prospect that the Red Sox and Lester put an underhanded plan in place to accelerate a Red Sox rebuild. This whole thing just stinks to me. Am I alone here?
Yes.
Why not deal within the division?
Its pretty shady if the Sox do resign him.
If its the greatest return, knowing he’s a rental… why not? I don’t see the O’s likely to sign him for the money he’s going to command in the offseason,
You are not alone. I think the same thing and it’s genius and there’s nothing MLB can do about it. It’s totally “legal”.
Baltimore has ZERO chance of resigning Lester
I wouldn’t be happy to have to root for Baltimore but I guess it would increase the likelihood that I could see Lester again this season?
And the Phillies will do NOTHING
They love their veterans lol.
RAJ reluctant to trade away his veteran bridge/checkers partners.
Joel Sherman just tweeted that he’s hearing different. Says the Orioles are looking to do a smaller deal, not for Lester.
Not sure Sherman is the guy to trust at the moment. Sox and O’s beat writers are definitely more tuned in
Good for Baltimore. Yankees just cried. Lol
Now it’s being reported that there is no deal in place.
If this trade would happen it’s truely a 2 month rental
Yankees fans are doing headers off the cfloses bridge. Lol
Story being denied from 2 sources (Jim Bowden and Joel Sherman).
So welcome to the day before the deadline.
Hunter Harvey will be the centerpiece of the deal.
As in the O’s second or third best prospect? For two months of Lester… overpay!
No, it’s not. Cards gave up their #5 or #6 for Masterson, who is a much worse pitcher than Lester, from a career standpoint and especially this year.
Ok. So? One deal does not create a market.
Giants gave 2 top 10’s for PEAVY
Not saying much given the state of the Giants’ farm system.
Says a lot given the state of Peavy
No two farms are created equal. You can’t compare what one farm loses to another. The 6th best Cardinals prospect might be the O’s 2nd best prospect (hypothetically speaking. I don’t know either farm very well). You can only compare it on a player to player basis
I heard Jim Bowden said a deal is not close.
I trust Jim Bowden less than I’d trust Bill Clinton telling me he didn’t have relations with Monica…
Okay, now Ken Rosenthal. 2 minutes later. Deal is not close.
Yep.. I wasn’t necessarily saying he was wrong this time. Just that he is frequently way off base.
Wait one more day, I don’t want the Halos to face Lester in Baltimore tonight or tomorrow!
Both Joel Sherman and Ken Rosenthal just said that there is no deal of Lester to the Orioles that is close.
I would trust the local Sox writers more personally, they’ve been a step ahead for the most part
I would trust the local beat writers but I think I trust Ken Rosenthal more than I trust myself.
Haha fair enough… Rosenthal is as reliable as it gets, just saying that he’s been sourcing guys like Edes and Bradford a lot over the last few days.
Things just got interesting.
No way….I still think hes in Pittsburgh
Honestly this would make the most sense for both sides.
It seems like the Red Sox can just sit back and enjoy the prospect haul. While improving any contender but the Yankees. I am enjoying this because we will get to see the kids play and 2015 will be a whole new roster.
I’m quite confident they sign Lester in the off season too…I’m enjoying this trade deadline
Pitt is Boston’s best shot at a top 50 prospect, just do not see any other team stepping up for Lester. It takes a big market team to waste high end talent on a rental. Angels, TX, LAD, Yankees, Detroit, and Nats fit the bill and it looks none of them are on Lester.
Yankees Brass: Thoughts?
Ken Rosenthal reported that the deal is not close
Someone give some love to the Pirates!
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 1m
lester to orioles isnt close. o’s are thought reluctant to give up top prospects.
Then what are the O’s expecting to give up? NO prospects? Low level prospects? No wonder a deal isn’t close.
The problem is that the O’s system is Top Heavy. They don’t have any mid-range prospects to deal. All they have are Gausman, Bundy, and Harvey, three pitching prospects that are pretty much major league ready talent with ace to high upside level. It falls off drastically from there, with no position prospects at all really. And the prospects they have are too highly ranked and cheaply controlled to deal them for rentals, which is why they’re reluctant to give them up.
It seems the O’s are now backing out, reluctant to give up their top prospects
Baltimore isd so cheap.lol
Watch James Shields from the Royals, David Price, and Tulo rumors heat up after the John LEster and Lakcey rumors cool off..
I don’t want Miguel Gonzales back, all he would do is block our young guns and kids like Ranaudo, Owens, and Barnes need a chance!
Owens is nothing special, probably at best a mid rotation guy
I think those were the exact words of Cashman about Tanaka.
Out of all the guys he mentioned, you pick Owens to criticize? Please enlighten us because you’re obviously seeing something that no one else sees.
To be clear- you’re talking about the 6’6 lefty in his age 21 season, with a 71% career win percentage, and 11 K/9 to go along with a 2.60 ERA in AA this year and 19 consecutive hitless innings at high-A last year?
He is universally considered a top 20 prospect.
That’s all Gonzales is too, except Miguel is 6 years older
For a rental, bundy or gausman is too much to play. If the O’s would actually resign Lester after the season, then I wouldn’t mind. Any pitcher not named Bundy or Gausman should be available.
I want Harvey to stay, too.
One has to go to get a #1 arm.
eduardo rodriguez could be the arm
erod isn’t even a top 100 prospect
They won’t resign Lester. Ubaldo was their biggest FA signing ever by far and he’s been a bust. I doubt they make any large signings for the forseeable future. And Boston know’s he wont resign with them which is why they don’t mind sending him to them even though they are in the division.
“Talks are heating up!” “A deal isn’t close at this time…” Gotta love the trade deadline…:)
Rodriguez and Gonzalez anything more and I won’t be happy
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i think a 3rd piece is needed as a throw in with upside
Yaz?
Why Gonzo? Why not Chen?
Plus, it’s going to be so strange seeing Lester in an Orioles Jersey.
gonzo has a high whip he is getting lucky
There are definite signs of decline year to year, but other than letting up more hits so far this year his peripherals are pretty close to past years
Gonzo is under contract for 4 more years on a rookie deal. Chen has a team option for next year and that’s it
Its either now or never for Baltimore. After this year Cruz will demand big money, Hardy will be gone and Markakis has an option.
They are one of the youngest teams in baseball.
If they trade Guasman then they screwed up imo
Even if they win the WS this year?
It doesn’t matter they need to strike while Boston and NY aren’t at the top of their game. Tampa was young and you don’t see them with rings
And they are striking. They are young and talented and leading the AL East. I’m not sure what more you would like from them?
Or how much Boston and NY should be feared going forward over the next few years.
Right, they need to strike right now. Remember a few years ago when “Boston and New York’s reign over the AL East was ended by the Tampa Bay Rays”
…hasn’t happened. If anything they draw even for a couple years and then big market retools…
Right, they need to strike right now. Remember a few years ago when “Boston and New York’s reign over the AL East was ended by the Tampa Bay Rays”
…hasn’t happened. If anything they draw even for a couple years and then big market retools…
They are one of the youngest teams in baseball.
NO! No! No! Too much to give up for a two-month rental. It would be literally a steal for Boston to get Gonzalez AND either Gausman or Bundy.
I really don’t mean to be rude but you can’t tell me with a straight face that Gonzales has even a tenth of Gausman or Bundy’s value.
I do believe you misunderstood my post. I’m saying the Orioles would be giving up too much for a rental. The only way I’d give up Gausman and/or Bundy is if Lester were to sign an extension with Baltimore. And we know that isn’t going to happen. Otherwise Gonzalez and some lesser player would be more than enough for Lester.
No I just don’t agree with the sentiment that Gonzales has any value as more than a throw in here. He’s been decent the last few years, sure, but don’t forget that this is a guy who the Sox have already had and cut bait with.
“Boston isn’t likely to part with Gausman in a Lester deal”
Tough to part with him when you don’t have him.
But, but, but it’s Ghiroli who is mistaken! =P
Steve Adams ALWAYS correct!
In fairness Steve Adams IS correct here… Boston won’t be parting with Gausman
Jen Royle is now saying that there’s a third team involved.
Miami
Welcome Stanton (I wish, lol)
Why not perhaps it involves Bundy plus Sox pitching prospects heading to Miami.
I could see it, Lester + Miami top 10 prospect to Bal and Stanton to Bos, Bundy + Betts/Webster to Miami
Wake up people Stanton isnt moving
Anytime anyone plays well in a Marlins uniform they’ll be in every trade rumor. It’ll never end.
Pitching wins, and Stanton has had injuries. He is moving will it be in the next 24hrs? who knows.
Pitching wins, but you have to score runs. Taking Stanton out of that lineup would be team suicide for 2014 and beyond.
No it wouldn’t Miami will eventually have a surplus of starting pitching, as good as the stars we have seen from TB. WEEI just reported that Ranaudo’s schedule has been changed so that it coincides with Lackey being the probable starter for Friday.
That doesn’t in any way, shape, or form address Stanton being removed from the middle of that lineup. He’s without a doubt their best player, leading the team in HR, RBI, and OPS. It’s not even close.
It’s only a matter of time.
Our last trade with the Marlins turned out pretty good!
prob have to include Lackey going to Miami too. They could extend him and get 3yrs out of Lackey at cheap money if if continues to be solid. A Sox top prospect would be included too Ranuado, Bradley, Boegarts.
How about Cecchini or Marrero instead of Bogaerts?
for Stanton at Fenway I am open to trading anybody.
Don’t forget its really nothing for the sox to pay the contracts and send players like Victorino, Gomes, Drew, and Mujica to any team in any trade.
Very true.
Portland Seadogs record is 71-41 they have talent to include in trades……
With Doubront gone, Ranuado moves up don’t you think?
Then the O’s better be getting more than Lester.
Lack and Gonzales to Miami, Lester to Baltimore and ???? to Boston?
A Boston reporter is trying to drive up the price. Shocker.
Any deal will be something close to M. Gonzalez, Eduardo Rodriguez & Tim Berry/Mike Wright
I would say Gonzalez, Rodriguez, and a position player….maybe Walker
Yaz
The O’s FO is insane they if trade Gaus and Bundy
Sometimes you gotta do something crazy to win the big one.
They gotta take advantage now. Boston, NY and Tampa the 3 teams who have owned this division arent on top. If they lose with Lester its gonna look bad
The O’s don’t owe the Red Sox any favors.
Who says it’s a favor? You guys don’t have anything close to an ace right now. Tough to win a World Series with a group of middle-of-the-rotation guys
Hope the O’s don’t do this. Not worth mortgaging the future for 2 months of anyone. Save the young pitching unless you can get someone longer term.
Even though the AL East is not as good as it once had been, it’s still competitive given at least 3 teams are still in on winning that division. If the Orioles acquired someone like Lester, it would really separate them from the rest of the pack. Not only that, but Lester, who was crucial for both the Red Sox’s 2007 and 2013 WS runs, is exactly the type of ace that can help carry the Orioles to a potential WS run.
Sox are still giving up a legit ace they have the money to sign for Bundy who chances are will never be as good as Lester.
Have to expand the deal to Miller if you’re going to get Lester. Harvey, MGon, Kline and Yaz maybe.
The Sox HAVE to get baby Yaz as part of any package, right?
Exactly. Especially since he’s doing well.
Jerry Crasnick reports that an exec thinks the Dodgers, Cardinals, and Pirates still most likely destination for Lester.
I can’t imagine the Red Sox trading Lester to Baltimore for anything other than the farm. Unless they just want to spite the Yankees. Which could very well be possible.
Lester is a FA at the end of the season and Boston is out of the race this year, they should trade him to the highest bidder regardless of their division.
Yeah, whoever offers the best prospects haul can get the man.
No question. Then again, if they don’t like any offers, they can just keep him and try to sign him. Within the division, they would and should demand a lot more considering they’ll have to face him.
If anything…..the O’s should offer less because it’s with boston. The Sox are irrelevant in 2014 and Lester is a FA come winter so him going there effects Boston 0%. On the other hand, the O’s would be trading future stud prospects and would have to face those guys (whether it be Bundy, Gausman, or Harvey) for the next 5 years while relevant. Your logic is backwards. They won’t just hike up the price on the O’s because of a “grudging rivalry”
You can’t imagine the Red Sox trading 2-3 months of Lester to Baltimore for anything other than (the farm) Bundy, Gausman, Harvey and Rodriguez? They could get 4 years of Hamels, Utley and maybe another player too for that price.
A deal like that would make Boston so much stronger next year with out prospects and Gozalez plus Lester back. Boy, would they have the laugh on us
Guess what Jon Heyman’s reporting….MYSTERY TEAM!!!
Let’s get weird!
He says possibly the A’s. That would be interesting.
Personally I really like Matthew Olson as a 1B prospect, especially since there’s really no spot for him with Nunez and Chapman in the mix. Olson + Overton would be a decent foundation for a deal IMO
Guess what Jon Heyman’s reporting….MYSTERY TEAM!!!
Why trade future of several years with top notch young pitcher for 56 game rental?lester. No way Peter/Worst Owner in Sports Angelos pays Lester the $$$$ he wants! Plus Miguel Gonzalez is hot lately. O’s should let it ride. ALL HOGWASH! This deal won’t happen IMHO.
Because you can’t win a World Series with Miguel Gonzales as your “ace”. It might take 6 years for Bundy or Gausman to become a true ace (if at all) and by then who knows what the rest of the Oriole roster/AL East will look like?
Lester isn’t consistent and he isn’t great. Gausman has about the same ERA as him THIS year. i.e At his worst, 2012 Lester was horrible.Lester probably wouldn’t be on Orioles next year and Gausman, unless traded will be with Orioles for awhile. Bad idea for Orioles IMHO.
2012 is his only bad year and he’s been strong since the start of 2013. Especially in the playoffs. Nah, that’s not consistent.
Lester- 2.52 ERA 149 K/32 BB in 143 IP
Gausman- 3.67 ERA 35 K/ 18 BB in 49 IP.
How are those stat lines even remotely similar? Not even taking into account the fact that Lester has an ERA+ of 120 over 1500+ career IP and a postseason ERA of 2.11 over 76+ innings.
Seems pretty consistent to me.
Wait, what?
Of all people, I thought you’d be the one to decode that for us, Lefty.
Oh come on, I thought I have mellowed since I first came here.
=)
This.
Why trade future of several years with top notch young pitcher for 56 game rental?lester. No way Peter/Worst Owner in Sports Angelos pays Lester the $$$$ he wants! Plus Miguel Gonzalez is hot lately. O’s should let it ride. ALL HOGWASH! This deal won’t happen IMHO.
I would maybe do Gonzalez, Eduardo Rodriguez and one other decent prospect like Berry. No to any of Gausman Harvey Bundy. Boston is in a tough spot because they don’t want to get zero just to re-sign him.
I think the O’s will have to part with Dylan Bundy to get Jon Lester unless they can come up with one hell of a package deal. I say this because the Dodgers have 3 prospects in Baseball America’s top 20 midseason list and only Seager is called untouchable. And the Red Sox would rather have Joc Pederson or Julio Urias over Hunter Harvey. I think that’s the hold up is the O’s don’t wanna give up Bundy and the Red Sox aren’t willing to accept just Harvey.
The O’s wont give up Harvey Bundy or Gausman. No chance. The Dodgers are unwilling to give up any of the three either. Not for a few months of Lester.
Yeah, you’re looking at Rodriguez as the best we’re going to part with, we’ll throw in Gonzalez and another low level…but Bundy, Gausman, and Harvey aren’t happening
O’s are never going to take on another huge contract after the Jiminez debacle. That said, they may go after Lester really hard knowing that they would only be on the hook for a few months worth of salary. I believe that Andrew Miller is the “real” gem on the Red Sox at this point. Lackey & or, Lester would cost too much to keep long term.
The player that I would love to see in Baltimore, is Dustin Ackley from Seattle. He is solid gold, being used very poorly by the Mariners. That kid is a Ted Williams type of talent. He just needs to be given the right chance in the right spot. He has upped his average nearly 40 points in the last month…….while hitting 7th or 8th in the lineup with no protection. They moved him up to the 2nd spot, and he has gone 3 for 4 and 3 for 5 in those 2 games.
“Ted Williams type of talent” sweet mercy you just compared Ackley to Ted Williams
Speechless
Um…..what did this guy just say?
Okay I see it now, he has been Ted Williams for 2 games. That’s enough for me, Dustin Ackley is a sure thing. Hall Of Famer, 3k hits 5million homeruns 27,000 rbi, 4,000 consecutive games played, never struck out for 10 year span. He is basically Ted Williams/Tony Gwynn/Pete Rose/and Barry Bonds all in one. Dustin Ackley folks he is the guy to watch out for.
Yes, yes I did. He can hit .400 in the majors………just wait and see. That kid is very special. And he can play both infield and outfield. Any club would love to have that talent on their roster, but Seattle has won just enough to remain buyers instead of sellers.
BTW, he hit circles around Kyle Seagar while they were at Carolina. And he did it as a leadoff hitter. If you would bother to watch the kid play instead of getting all Krazy, you would see that his swing is the sweetest since Ted Williams. Give me Dustin Ackley on the current Orioles roster, and they get to the World Series no questions asked.
I think you’re my favorite commenter of all time
Ok Freddie if you are some how right then I’ll look back at this article and go “Wow! Boy Is Freddie smarter and Superior to me in every single baseball way.” I could see him becoming an Awesome regular even an All star multiple times but he won’t be a hall of fame player. BOOK IT!
I’ll admit it’s pretty easy to say someone won’t ever be a hall of famer.
Never thought I’d see a legit fire sale in Boston, the yr after they won it all. We smell burning.
trade deadline rumors get me every time
So, the Red Sox writers are saying a deal is close, and the O’s writers are saying nothing “hot”. That’s a lot of spin.
This madness needs to end!
If the Sox don’t get Gausman or Bundy the only other good prospect Baltimore has is Hunter Harvey.
Not true…check your BA top 100
“Gausman’s callup included blistering fastball velocity but a rude awakening to big leaguers’ ability to handle it. Perhaps he’ll have to modify his John Belushi-like powdered doughnuts training regimen.”
I laughed so hard.
Absolutely untrue
Eduardo Rodriguez, Christian Walker, Zach Davies, Chance Sisco, Tim Berry, Mike Wright, Josh Hart. Bundy/Harvey were ranked in Keith Law’s top 13 prospects in all of MLB after this year’s draft, so it does fall off somewhat after that but there are definitely still decent pieces there. Hell, maybe the Red Sox will take Mike Yazstremski after he’s been tearing it up this year lol.
Gonzalez has been solid I dont know how I feel on getting rid of him. To me he is very under rated. Bundy I would hate to see go but would rather have a legit started then a prospect only because we all know how many of them turn into anything. One thing we know as Orioles when DD says we are not in on someone that is when we are in on them.
The only thing I would trade Bundy and Gausman + others for is Cole Hamels and Utley with some salary paid. Trading top prospect for Lester would be nuts if the team has no shot in resigning him unless there was some stuff added from Boston to make it square.
Chris Sale. Or I’d trade Bundy or Harvey for Price. Puttin mah GM hat on
I think these GMs lie and claim there is no discussion or “nothing is close” to keep other teams from swooping in with an offer that raises the price.
As an Orioles fan, I’d give the Red Sox some cash considerations to have Lester pitch against the Blue Jays tonight.
And back on the phone to Pittsburgh and Miami
This whole thing reminds me of Boras negotiating a contract. There’s always a lot of interest, several serious bidders, a very strong market, etc. etc. And, presumably, a mystery team as well. Helps drive up the price.
With the buying team’s GM doing the exact opposite: “We’re just doing due diligence. Nothing is imminent. We’re far apart.”
I don’t think either of them move the needle most of the time, but it keeps the writers happy to have things to write.
SoxFanCyp :
Too much for a rental.But if the Orioles ever want to win this division the time is now.The Yankees can easily spend money and the Red Sox are giving up so they can steal big prospects like the Mets.
They are winning the division now without Lester. If anything a Lester move is more geared towards Game 1/7 of the playoffs.
I have tickets to Sunday night’s Red Sox/Yankees ESPN game.
He is expected to start that game if he is not traded. It will be a playoff atmosphere if he is starting that game.
Still hoping for an announcement of an extension (no trade) for Lester by tomorrow (trade rumors used as leverage to get the deal done). That would be the best case scenario.
playoff atmosphere
two teams not currently in playoff spots with -30 run differentials
eh
The Red Sox are jerking the rest of the Majors around. There’s no shot Baltimore moves Gausman, Bundy, Harvey or Rodriguez in a deal for Lester — he’s a rental who wouldn’t be open to an extension. Lester’s testing the market and you don’t give up potential top of the rotation prospects for a two-month rental. I think the Sox are floating these stories to get somebody else to pony up more than Lester’s really worth. He’s excellent, but he’s not worth multiple top prospects for two months of starts.
The Red Sox are jerking the rest of the Majors around. There’s no shot Baltimore moves Gausman, Bundy, Harvey or Rodriguez in a deal for Lester — he’s a rental who wouldn’t be open to an extension. Lester’s testing the market and you don’t give up potential top of the rotation prospects for a two-month rental. I think the Sox are floating these stories to get somebody else to pony up more than Lester’s really worth. He’s excellent, but he’s not worth multiple top prospects for two months of starts.
I think we should sit chilly, If we can’t get Pederson or Taveras, than sign and give Lester his money and Pay Lackey, they will help with the younger starters. Sign a bat and never ever trade Jackie,
He is my favorite player since Mike Greenwell
We even might creep back into this thing!!
Yes we do!
Its not bias, Bundy is a blue chip prospect.
If (insert your team name here) had Bundy as a prospect, would you, as a GM, give him up for a 2 month rental of Lester? Logically speaking, no. Lester is a proven pitcher in the playoff environment, but Lester alone does not guarantee a world series. Bundy and Gausman are both projected to be top of the rotation starters. TJ surgery has come so far that it’s not the impediment it once used to be.
I am old. I’ve seen a ton of prospects flame out and amount to nothing. So I’m pretty aware of what prospects like Bundy can be. Also, I’m very aware of how great a pitcher Lester is too. I’m not overvaluing Bundy. He might very well wash out. So might Gausman. But, pitchers do come back from TJ (Mariano Rivera). And, sometimes they don’t (eg Neftali Feliz). The bottom line is you need to give it time. Passing on a Lester trade isn’t a statement against Lester. It’s a statement on how difficult it is to develop good pitchers, and wanting to keep cheap productive controllable years inhouse.
Anyways the bad starts your talking about is literally 2-3 bad starts last month at AA. His command wasn’t there, and he walked too many. The velocity was ok and stuff was there. Typical TJ stuff. He hasn’t yet stretched out back to upper-90s velocity, but he’s hitting 94 mph. Before those bad starts Bundy was dominating at A ball. You’re suggesting bailing on Bundy after 3 bad starts, while recovering from surgery.
I get the feeling his last post wasn’t PG-rated haha. Some posters just can’t discuss things in an objective friendly way. He obviously was trolling.