10:21pm: The Yankees are also having discussions with the Rockies regarding starter Jorge De La Rosa, Bowden tweets.
10:09pm: The Yankees do have interest in Kennedy, but do not intend to give up both Jagielo and Clarkin for him, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (Twitter links). Heyman adds that there is “nothing hot at all” between the clubs at present.
Bowden adds (via Twitter) that a team executive informs him that Cashman has had discussions with many teams with potentially available starters.
10:02pm: The Yankees and Padres are discussing a deal that would send starter Ian Kennedy to New York in exchange for prospects Eric Jagielo and Ian Clarkin, a source tells Jim Bowden of ESPN.com (Twitter link). We heard earlier today that San Diego was disinclined to deal Kennedy unless it received an overwhelming offer.
Kennedy has been solid for the Padres this year after coming over from the Diamondbacks mid-year last season. Over 135 1/3 innings, he owns a 3.66 ERA (3.10 FIP) with 9.5 K/9, 2.8 BB.9 and a career-best 42.3 percent ground-ball rate. The 29-year-old is making $6.1MM this year and will pass through arbitration one more time before hitting the open market.
Jagielo and Clarkin were both first-round selections last year for New York. Jagielo, a third baseman, has slashed .243/.321/.470 through 209 plate appearances this year at age 22. Clarkin, meanwhile, is a 19-year-old southpaw who has pitched to a 3.36 ERA through 61 2/3 innings at low-A, notching 9.9 K/9 against 2.9 BB/9.
Just an awful idea.
Yankees have no farm system…and they’re going to deal more prospects?
The Angels are doing it and look at them…
Really? Betances? Warren? Whitley? And we have severino judge and refsnyder almost ready to go?
betances warren and whitley arent worth all that much.
Idc they’re helping us I’m not trying to get rid of them and betances is worth anything he’s the best reliever in baseball
lol “best reliever in baseball” because he has had a great year? 1 great year not even a entire year yet.. come on let’s stay rational
i was just going to let the best reliever in baseball comment go
Obviously I’m talking about now meaning this year let be serious !!!
Zach britton and darren oday are at least as good
You jumped and started comparing and went away from your statement I’m not comparing
Britton is not as good. Britton will always be too defensive dependent. He’s good enough now, but that’s because he has that amazing infield behind him. Put him on the Yankees where those ground balls are getting hit to Roberts and Jeter, he isn’t as good.
Betances is dominant anywhere he goes.
i disagree with your statement. Just becasue the yankees ss and 2nd baseman are old and slow does not make a ground ball pitcher bad
Britton isn’t bad. He’s a pitcher that allows you to put the ball in play far more than any team should be comfortable with from their closer. But his GB% is ungodly high, so that balances it out. But that’s always going to be far more defensive reliant than a guy that just strikes out the side. When you allow the ball to be put in play, bad things are going to happen. So the key is not to allow the ball to be put in play, and Betances doesn’t.
I’m not completely against the idea of pitching to the park, pitching to the defense. But if you can just outright removes those from the equation, that’s even better.
i disagree with your statement. Just becasue the yankees ss and 2nd baseman are old and slow does not make a ground ball pitcher bad
and you are basing off what he does not have the best ERA or xFIP as a reliever this year?
Bro let’s get back to my first point he’s a Yankee farm system guy lol I’m not comparing just stating he’s a great pitcher at this moment his stats say it all
Yes he’s been great, show me some stats where he hasn’t been. He’s been an absolute stud.
I said he has a had a great year but not the best reliever in baseball big difference there
An all star and arguably the best reliever in baseball this season isn’t worth much?
darren oday and zach britton are at least as good
Ok…great? What does that have to do with Betances, Warren, and Whitley not being worth much?
Britton has a lower WAR, higher ERA, higher FIP, higher xFIP and Whip than Betances…
2.1 War for Betances is worth quite a bit…
And it’s just behind Kennedy’s 2.2 WAR
And the Padres are paying a lot more for that slight war edge. I would not trade Warren, Betances or Clarkin to aquire Kennedy and I hope the Yankees feel the same.
Betances isn’t worth much and jeter isn’t retiring this year right?
Everybody loves to say that they have no system, but it’s definately middle of the pack. They’re just young and clumped A ball.
However good their system is, it doesn’t have a Gausman in it. If that is what the Rockies are asking for, the Yankees are going to have to give up a lot to equal it.
Rockies won’t be getting an Gausman type from anybody for De La Rosa. It doesn’t hurt to try though.
Well, now that he’s in the majors, neither do the Orioles. That’s the thing about team farm systems–once the prospects are in the big league they can go from top of the rankings to the bottom very quickly. And before the criticism comes, I’m not saying “The Orioles don’t have any good prospects” or “Their farm system is barren”. I’m just saying things can change in that respective relatively quickly.
If you’re looking at it from a “Gausman version of a minor league in the system,” the Orioles have two pitchers that are in the Top 50 prospects. Law had both 10 and 11 last week or whenever he released his list. So the Orioles still do have a Gausman in the minors. The Yankees don’t have that in their minor league system.
If you are looking at it from a “big time prospect that has been in the majors for a short time and showed some serious upside,” the Yankees don’t have that either.
“Big time prospect that has been in the majors for a short time and showed some serious upside”–how is that NOT Betances? He was a big time prospect, short time in the majors, the upside speaks for itself. He’s not a starter but in terms of impact on a game, sometimes the biggest outs are recorded in the 6th/7th/8th innings and he could very well be a closer one of these seasons.
As you said, he’s not a starter. He’s a big time relief pitcher. Which you need. But if a team is out there looking for a Gausman, they aren’t settling for a guy that can only work one inning.
But in that moment, I wasn’t talking about trade value. I was just talking about “Big time prospect that has been in the majors for a short time and showed some serious upside”. But for the record, Betances was a starter throughout the minors. It was just that in the interest of getting him in the majors this season, they had him abandon 2 of his pitches of which he seemed not to control as well.
But it is within the context of a starter. If you want to say the Yankees have a great young bullpen arm that looks like he is going to dominate the 8th or 9th inning for years go come, I won’t argue with you about that. And he might be worth De La Rosa. If I was the Rockies, that would probably be good enough for me. But the Rockies think De La Rosa deserves a Gausman level player. That’s a top 10 to 20 level prospect in all of baseball, that is either still a prospect or fresh in the majors and showing some upside.
They have an above average farm system, and will probably have 4 top 100 prospects at the end of the year.
I wouldn’t say it’s above average (yet). Unless it went from 20th to 10-15 in the mid season rankings.
It has and many prospects and progressing a lot differently then originally thought
With Refsnyder’s and Severino’s jump I’d say they jumped at least 3 spots, i think BA had them at 18, 13 after the update with Tanaka.
Baseball America has them at 16. They actually have as much depth at positions prospects as they have had in along time, they are low on high tier starting pitching prospects.
“Yankees have no farm system”
Wow, never heard that one before!!
They signed a ton of international free agents, they can afford to deal prospects.
Because the Javier Vazquez reunion worked out so well
infallible logic
infallible logic
This can’t be a real rumor, can it? Is this like Bowden’s Lee for Judge/Severino trade idea?
Sometimes I wonder if Bowden’s “source” is just his own reflection in a mirror talking back to him.
Is Bowden the Chris Broussard of baseball?
Kennedy going from Petco back to Yankee Stadium… Ummm yeah that’ll work out
Was going to say something along those lines so I’ll just second what you said.
He has a batter era on the road this year, try again
I’ll add in info, he has a career 5.54 ERA in Interleague, all of that while with Arizona and San Diego. And I know it was awhile back, but his ERA with the Yankees was over 6
Thankfully Heyman just posted this and allowed me to sleep peacefully tonight. “yankees are interested in kennedy but not in clarkin plus jagielo for kennedy.”
No, stop. He’s a #3. Just stop.
Yes, Yankees, trade away what prospects you have left to form an even more mediocre team. Yessssssss.
I don’t think adding Kennedy would make them mediocre this season.
Can’t tell if self-deprecating or actual critical response.
Critical response. I wouldn’t do that trade personally though.
I don’t know. That does seem like a fair deal to me. The Yankees farm system isn’t the best, so they must overpay in terms of prospect rank, and Kennedy has been pretty good. Seems like a fair deal for both sides.
I’m okay with giving up Jagielo but him + Clarkin, for a pitcher thats going to regress in YS3? Don’t do it Cashman
almost caught a heart attack no way ill give up that for Kennedy i understand for Tyson Ross but no way kennedy.
you would need quite a lot more then that to get Ross
I wouldn’t want Ross anyway. He’d get killed in Yankee Stadium. His “good” stats are in large part to his home games at Oakland and San Diego
4.87 Career Away ERA and a 1.51 WHIP
If they were interested why wouldn’t they of made this one big trade with headley?
“they of.”
I ask a simple question and yet you tried to be funny by correcting my grammar?
Because in a division as close packed as the A.L. East is this year, every game counts. So maybe they were discussing a deal for both of them and they couldn’t agree on a price for both of them in terms of prospects but they obviously agreed on Headley + $1 mill for Solarte + DePaula so let’s get that done before one of those 3 gets hurt and then the Padres can continue to shop Kennedy around and the Yankees can continue to call other teams about available starting pitchers. Doesn’t mean they won’t come to an agreement on Kennedy later.
Kennedy for Jagielo and Clarkin .. NO WAY!
Thats a terrible trade for the Padres. Send away Ian Kennedy for two A ball players, one of whom is 22 and hitting .243. Hope not.
Padres priority should be offense , however you can never have too much pitching. Hope they’re in on Judge or O’Brien.
offense and maybe a GM
I’d gladly give up O’Brien for Kennedy. Maybe they like Mason Williams or Tyler Austin and lesser pieces as well.
Mason Williams is no longer a top prospect. Judge is clearly their top OF prospect.
Padres priority should be offense , however you can never have too much pitching. Hope they’re in on Judge or O’Brien.
Take Danks. He will cost less.
He’ll cost less because he hasn’t been all that good this year. He’s pitching to a 4.35 ERA right now, and he’s given up 16 home runs. That number will go up in Yankee Stadium. Also, he walks more than 3 guys per 9 innings and has 7 wild pitches this year. Sounds like A.J. Burnett.
Danks also is owed $14 mil for the next two years, so Kennedy is the better option.
It’s the Yankees, so I wasn’t really thinking about money, but you’re right haha.
It’s the Yankees, so I wasn’t really thinking about money, but you’re right haha.
These are highly rated prospects. I don’t know that I’d go that far for Ian Kennedy. If you’re gonna deplete the farm system, do so for somebody like Cole Hamels or, if possible, David Price. I wouldn’t mind Ian Kennedy at all, but you have to be careful.
how high would you rate these prospects on a scale of 1-10
They’re still very early in development, but you can’t look away from a 19-year old lefty. Probably a 6/10 for Jagielo, 7 for Clarkin. Jagielo’s disadvantage is that he’s already 22 and batting .246 in A ball.
They are rated 4th and 7th on the team chart i was looking at.
Of a bottom tier system.
You mean a system that could be Top 15. It’s not a top 10 by any means, but by the end of the year it could be anywhere from 13-17 .
No I don’t mean that.
Well you’re no baseball expert so I can care less what you think.
How much less?
You do know “baseball experts” are wrong like 90% of the time, I think this dude (and the rest of us honestly) has as much merit as any of them.
The Yankees actually have a very solid system. Luis Severino is ranked in the top 50 and Judge is top 100. Guys like Clarkin/Jagielo both have high upside. The Yankees have also unloaded on the international market in the last two seasons signing numerous top teen prospects from Venezuela and the Dominican. It is by no means a bottom tier system such as the Angels system or the White Sox system.
Just, because most of the prospects are in low A, doesn’t make it a lower tier system. (This is really hard to have to defend the EVIL EMPIRE)
they wouldnt be that high on the system rankings for this season
No! Not for Jags! Awful idea, I pictured him as a cornerstone for future Yankee teams. He’s gonna be a stud
That’s too much. What about Aaron Judge straight up? Lol
How about no, Judge has the potential to be the RF for the Yankees for years to come. I wouldn’t do Judge for Tyson Ross straight up either.
It’s Tyson Ross…. and in what world would someone give up a frontline starter with 3 more years of control for an outfield prospect in A ball.
Glad you said something, I’d give up Aaron Judge for Tyson Ross in a heartbeat, lol.
As would any GM in baseball.
In what world is Ross a front line starter? He’s having an excellent season and any team would love to see him on their team but he’s only had one above average year. Do it for 3-4 seasons and then we’ll talk. For all we know he could be having a fluke season.
Actually, he’s had 2. He was good last season as well. He was also developed by Oakland, and we know how good their pitchers are.
He wasn’t developed by Oakland, he was awful in Oakland. He’s been a 4.00 ERA pitcher outside of PetCo since coming to SD.
He was drafted, developed, and brought up by Oakland. I mean…that’s the definition of being developed, right?
Obviously they didn’t do much of a job developing him if he was terrible and traded for Andy Parrino and Andrew Werner.
That remains to be seen. He was an All-Star this year and he strikes out a bunch of guys. Almost 9 Ks per 9 IP.
I would say SD has played much more of a part in his development than Oakland did.
Doesn’t change the fact that the A’s brought him to the dance.
Playing in a pitchers ballpark. Heck, this season is the first season he’ll have a WAR over 2.
Oh so it takes a full 3 seasons…. yet your so established on your opinion of Aaron Judge in High-A, perfect logic. Tyson is an All-Star thats has always had high strike out numbers and good velocity on his fastball. The past two seasons he has been putting it all together.
Yes, Ross is an all-star on a team that had 1 all-star. Heck, he’s not even the best pitcher on his team, I’d rather have Cashner over Ross.
It ended up with two all-stars actually until they traded Street. Cashner is always injured. Tyson has the highest swing and miss rate on his slider of any pitch in all of baseball in 2014.
Ross would look like a #4-#5 pitcher if his home games were in a hitters ballpark. 4.87 career Away ERA and 1.51 WHIP.
I don’t think the ballpark has anything to do with it. He doesn’t give up a ton of HRs, but for some reason on the road his K’s are way down. Maybe he’s just comfortable at home. Check out his splits, it’s really bizarre.
If I was a pitcher and my home games were in a very pitcher friendly park, I’d be comfortable too.
Fair point, but you’re counting his years in Oakland too. He’s always been much better at home. Check out his first year in Oakland. Talk about splits.
Of course i”m counting his years in Oakland, that’s a pitchers park. And his final year in Oakland was disastrous both Home and Away (and worse Away to not much of surprise)
But again, it’s not like he gives up a bunch more HR’s on the road compared to at home. He’s given up 10 all year, 7 on the road. That’s not much. It’s probably mental more than anything. Also, don’t forget the Padres are such a poor offensive team (as were the A’s while he was there) that he literally can’t give up anything if he wants a victory. Maybe the combination of that and the fact that other ballparks are much smaller contribute to him being too fine or something. I don’t know, it’s clearly something more than numbers.
” It’s probably mental more than anything.”
Hehe, that wouldn’t go too well in NY. I guess your points are fair, but numbers don’t lie though.
I was being a bit facetious actually. Hence my “lol”. Rising super star.
I was being a bit facetious. Hence my “lol”. His prospect stock is rising like crazy.
Jagielo was hurt this season and has struggled in his return, he isnt near the top of the system and I cant see why any team would want him in a trade. Clarkin was also hurt recently as well
PLEASE do not trade Jagielo and Clarkin for Ian Kennedy.
Clarkin is a San Diego kid, so it could be a good match, but I wouldn’t give a second guy as good as Jagielo in the deal.
Good as in 243 ba in a ball ? Funny… I hope so as sell
Clarkin has some value as a 19 yr old, Jagielo is putting up mediocre stats in A+ as a 22 yr old.
De La Rosa would be interesting. He’s a few years older, but he’s having a good year for a bad Colorado team. Plus, he’s left-handed. Plus, he pitches in Coors Field.
He also wouldn’t cost much since he’s a FA at the end of the year.
Certainly not as much as Kennedy. I’d prefer him over Kennedy regardless.
NYY always hype up their prospects and rarely they succeed…. They are built by buying established players that’s it – see it other way if you convince yourself. Glad SD won’t receive an injured pitcher and an “elite” prospect batting 240…
Neither of these prospects are hyped up at all.
Read below.
I don’t see more than one person talking about either Clarkin or Jagielo and all he stated was a fact (where they were ranked in the Yankee’s system).
Read below.
Neither was Jesus Montero, Romine, Banuelos, Mason Williams, Heathcott, Sanchez, Austin, Almonte…. All elite and untouchable…. NYY org and media build them up to trade them… It’s not me saying it it’s a fact…. Just saying their development is not great and the 2 guys mentioned in this offer are most likely overrated just like most NYY prospects or any other big market team…
No Yankee fan I’ve ever talked to mentions either of these players. Luis Severino and Aaron Judge are very hyped, but their numbers speak for themselves.
Nobody ever called Any of those guys untouchable except Montero.
Yeah, because we’ve rarely had prospects succeed. Betances, Warren, Nova, Phelps, Gardner, Robertson, have all become solid players. What about all the other former Yankee farmhands that have succeeded who are currently on other teams like Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, Tyler Clippard, Robinson Cano, Melky Cabrera, Jose Quintana, ect. Tell me again how they’ve never developed anything…
Those are prospects that had some varying success but it pales in comparison to that of other organizations that pour money into drafting and development..
Which is much easier to do for franchises who year after year fall below .500 and get top draft pick after top draft pick.
Yeah like Boston and St. Louis never have winning records.
Boston will likely have it’s 2nd losing season in 3 years, and where did I say Boston or St Louis don’t have great farms?
I said it’s easier to do it when a team continuously stinks year after year (Mets, Marlins, Cubs etc.). I never said great teams can’t have great farms. It is well known that St. Louis has some of if not the best scouts in baseball as well.
Boston and St. Louis also have had multiple 1st round picks the past 5 years. From 2010-2014, they’ve each had 13 first round picks.(some of which were supplemental 1st round picks). The Yankees have only had 6.
Anyways the amatuer draft is only part of the battle, international signings and scouting minors and free agents… it goes on. Really when it comes down to it Yankees prospects get more attention and more limelight than most other smaller franchises in baseball. When they know what the people like they sell it to them. There is alot of Yankee fans. Truth be told.
“Yankees prospects get more attention and more limelight than most other smaller franchises in baseball”
Which makes sense when they play in the media capital of the world. If you’ve ever seen a postgame Yankee interview, every player is speaking into about 15 microphones/recorders.
Granted. So the fact that that there prospects are more often talked about and hyped up is a valid point. Daniel never said that Padres prospects deserve more attention, he simply stated what you confirmed and said that he doesnt want your over hyped players that are 22 and hitting .240 in A ball.
And what team has benefited from it besides the Cardinals and Giants. Going to the playoffs is good and all, but what’s the point if you haven’t won a championship? Look at what happened to the Rays, they developed their players but only have one World Series appearances to show for it. Now they have a terrible farm system and Price will most likely be gone by this time next season, don’t you think the Rays would prefer to win a championship?
Look, Yankee haters will never give Yankes credit for anything except “buying players”. Something apparently their teams never do because their players are all Pro Bono.
Since 2000, the Padres have developed only ONE first round pick who has a career WAR of 4+ (Khalil Greene)
Since 2000, the Yankees have developed 3 (Kennedy, Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes)
Exactly my point… SD farm system as it’s rated high it’s still not good…. But saying Yankees prospects are so good and not trade them is iffy to me…. Just to me…. Look at those guys numbers !
Are you really implying that only Yankee fans say they don’t want to trade prospects? Do I have to tell you how many Mariner fans and Braves fans have done it when Upton was on the trading block 2 years ago and when Price was this year?
I’m not saying the Yankees or their fans don’t overhype prospects, but I bet you can’t name me one fan base that doesn’t.
Not at all – we all do it as fans… We totally agree there !! And I also agree with trading prospects for established guys … Because they are just prospects…. All I wanted to say was that I hope Sd doesn’t trade Kennedy for the 2 guys the Yankees are refusing to send over… So as fans – we both agree on that…
And I don’t want the Yankees to give up potential talent for a player who has disastrous numbers against the American League, so I can see why both of us don’t want our teams to do the trade.
IPK wasn’t even a top prospect for the Yankees and to trade one for him now is foolish.
He was ranked #45 in the Top 100 Prospects in 2008 by Baseball America, how was he never a top prospect for them?
Kennedy is a better pitcher in the spacious Petco Park. I sincerely hope the Yanks don’t trade away 2 of their 1st rounders from last season for him.
Jagielo’s a bust .260’s last year, 240’s this year in low a ball and strikes out a ton!! Clarkin has promise, but he’s at least 3-4 years away. Padres will not see the fruits of this one, in a long time… if ever… poor move!!! Kennedy has been solid both home and away with similar stats… Petco overall hasn’t been a factor… Kennedy has actually pitched better on the road… check the numbers and compare…
W/L. ERA
Home: 3-5 4.18
Road: 5-4 3.18
Yeah, because 1 year of professional ball makes a player a bust… He’s a power hitter, not a high batting average hitter. If he can play decent defense at 3rd and continue to hit for power there’s no reason why he can’t be a solid player for the Yankees beginning in 2016.
The Padres need talent for a quality Major League Pitcher. They have had enough bad trades and enough bad offense already. They don’t need to waste a good pitcher on a class a flop that’ll probably never make it to the big leagues!! Jagielo has had 2 bad years by the way…
Good luck on that one…
How about that 4.34 Interleague ERA this year and his 5.65 Career Interleague ERA?
Keep the National League pitcher in the National League. Yankees should not even consider him.
just take Colon’s money and be done with it. the Yanks will have every use for a $11M, 180IP, 4-ish ERA pitcher next year even after they dole out the bucks for Lester or Scherzer.
Horrible idea. Jag is the top ranked 3B in the system. First of all, we shouldn’t be dealing any infielder that makes the top 20 organization prospect list. I hope this isn’t a precursor to a Headley extension. I’d be okay with Hanley for 3B though..
And Ian Clarkin, another first round pick from last year. Lefty that can touch 94 with a change and curve. You don’t trade these kinds of players. Especially when, as an organization, you are desperate for pitching.
I don’t want IPK back in the Bronx. That is way too high of a price to pay. I really hope they do not make this deal.
The Yankees are making a mistake if they deal these two kids. They need to get younger and less expensive. De La Rosa is a free agent after this year, and it’s not that he’s a game-changer or a season changer for them. His strikeout rates are iffy at best, he’s never had one season in which he’s pitched more than 187 innings. Walk away from this. It’s not useful.
De La Rosa would cost Much less than Kennedy.
nice, trade sanchez and severino asap.