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Frank Wren’s Job Possibly In Jeopardy

By charliewilmoth | September 21, 2014 at 7:53pm CDT

Nearing the end of a disappointing season, the Braves could fire GM Frank Wren, CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman writes, noting that the Braves’ collapse appears “sure to lead to some sort of significant change.” Manager Fredi Gonzalez’s job does not appear to be in danger at this time, Heyman adds.

These aren’t the first rumblings that the Braves’ front office might be in for a shakeup. Earlier this week, it emerged that the Braves might have either senior advisor John Hart or president John Schuerholz take an increased role in baseball operations. There have also been indications that, if Wren loses his job, the team might look to former Braves assistant GM and current Royals GM Dayton Moore, although Heyman suggests that’s unlikely. Earlier today, MLB.com’s Mark Bowman wrote that the Braves could consider dismissing Wren and/or Gonzalez “within the next few days.”

If the Braves were to fire Wren, they would likely turn to assistant GM John Coppolella, who would take the job on an interim basis and be mentored by Hart. Bowman writes, however, that Hart enjoys working as an MLB Network analyst and would not be interested in taking a full-time role with the Braves.

It’s been a tough September for the Braves — they’re currently 4-14 for the month and have fallen three games below .500. After spending much of the year in playoff contention, they were mathematically eliminated from the race today. Over the course of the season, the Braves have struggled with a weak group of position players, getting little from hitters like B.J. Upton, Dan Uggla, Ryan Doumit and Tommy La Stella, the first two of whom Wren signed to expensive long-term deals. If the Braves were to dismiss Wren, he would be the third GM fired or reassigned this year, following Josh Byrnes of the Padres and Kevin Towers of the Diamondbacks.

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  1. SethHood422

    11 years ago

    It would be a mistake to fire Wren without also firing Fredi. Why are you okay with keeping the kettle but not the pot?

    Reply
    • BravesFan 3

      11 years ago

      I am going to flip my lid if Fredi doesn’t lose his job too.

      Reply
      • Timothy Michael Clark

        11 years ago

        agreed, and take greg and scott with them…

        Reply
  2. CT

    11 years ago

    Wren and Gonzalez should both be worried about their jobs. The Braves went into September in contention for the division and wildcard, and have won FOUR games this month. Yes Wren has made some questionable moves, but this team looks like they don’t care and that falls on the manager.

    Reply
    • basilisk4

      11 years ago

      I couldn’t have said it better.

      Reply
    • S710b

      11 years ago

      Four games this MONTH??! I had no idea it was that bad. That’s pretty amazing.

      Reply
    • Paulie Walnuts

      11 years ago

      In September, the Braves have:

      5 — shutouts against
      4 — wins

      Reply
    • SethHood422

      11 years ago

      Pure speculation on my part, but do you think that the players may be tanking to get Fredi/Wren fired?

      Reply
      • JacksTigers

        11 years ago

        They’re major leaguers who were in the heat of a pennant race. There is no way that they purposely tanked a season in the final month after fighting hard and being in contention for five months.

        Reply
    • Eugene_in_Oregon

      11 years ago

      They weren’t really in contention for the division, but the Wild Card play-in game was their’s for the taking.

      Reply
  3. Cabro Epico

    11 years ago

    I’m not a Braves fan, but didn’t they lost like 3/5 of their starting rotation before the season started? And btw, the Nats have a good team

    Reply
    • DarthMurph

      11 years ago

      They also have 30+ million a year in Uggla and B.J. Upton.

      Reply
    • Cobby_Box

      11 years ago

      You’re definitely not wrong, and that’s a huge hit, but 2nd to last in the major leagues in runs scored can’t be blamed on the pitching.

      Reply
    • Stephen

      11 years ago

      Their starting rotation isn’t the problem, they have one of the best staffs in mlb. They can’t score any runs! They have scored 2 runs or less in like 60 games this season, shutout in 15. How are you ever going to win when you can’t score? Wren assembled this team, he should be the one who gets canned. Fredi I could take him or leave him. So sick of hearing “you gotta tip your cap to the opponents.”

      Reply
      • Danny Colston

        11 years ago

        There have been like 107 quality starts. Very winnable games lots of times if the offense did their part.

        Reply
    • NickGranite

      11 years ago

      The starting pitching has been excellent all year. The offense was a disaster.

      Reply
    • Eugene_in_Oregon

      11 years ago

      And they replaced those lost SPs with = or better options. The Braves problems were in the line-up, not the rotation.

      Reply
    • teufelshunde4

      11 years ago

      Dont you dare tell Braves fans that the Nats have a good team.. All offseason Braves fans dismissed any idea that the Nats have any talent or that the Nats could threaten the Braves dominance of the weak NL East. Crow tastes good in the ATL

      Reply
      • Melvin Mendoza, Jr.

        11 years ago

        What? I don’t think anyone has ever said the Nat’s don’t have any talent…

        Reply
    • Cabro Epico

      11 years ago

      Thanks for the replies people, I was just wondering if making the playoffs would have save the GM. But yea, that Upton deal was horrible

      Reply
  4. DarthMurph

    11 years ago

    Imagine how good the Braves could be if they had a GM who understood free agency.

    Reply
    • Justin C.

      11 years ago

      Or a manager who understood basic baseball strategy and logic.

      Reply
  5. LazerTown

    11 years ago

    Should be held accountable for spending money like a madman last winter, and before.

    Reply
    • SethHood422

      11 years ago

      Money spending isn’t the issue. I’d be happy to keep the spending spree going. It’s who we’re spending that money on that bothers me. We could have retained Bourn for the same price of BJ. Why was Uggla even considered an upgrade over Infante? Still, I am hesitant to get rid of Wren. It all depends on who they replace him with, and not any GM is an upgrade. Wren has had his bright moments. He brought in Justin Upton and CJ, Jordan Walden, Ervin Santana, Mark Teixera, etc. Really, at the end of the day, I am fine letting Wren go if it means getting rid Gonzales.

      Reply
      • Federal League

        11 years ago

        At the time Uggla was a massive power upgrade over Infante. I’d imagine that was the most compelling factor in the decision to acquire and extend him.

        Reply
      • Taylor Thomas

        11 years ago

        Tex was a John Schuerholz move. He traded salty, matt harrison, elvis andrus, and neftali feliz for tex and ron mahay. those are a lot of guys who could be big names for us. not to mention the schuerholz trade of adam wainwright for jd drew.

        Reply
        • bhambravesfan

          11 years ago

          Yeah, if anybody should go, it should be Schuerholz

          Reply
        • Federal League

          11 years ago

          You have to understand the situation when the trade was made. Saltalamacchia was behind McCann, Edgar Renteria was hitting .332, Yunel Escobar hit .326 that year. They had Soriano take over closing the year after they traded Teixeira to Anaheim, and got good years out Jurrjens and Campillo.

          They went for it, it didn’t work out. In 2014, Matt Harrison’s career is over, Feliz has been injured for significant portions of the last three seasons, Andrus will probably never produce an offensive season like Simmons did in 2013.

          Reply
      • bhambravesfan

        11 years ago

        The Braves were looking for a RH power bat. Now sadly they have too many. At the time the phillies were crushing the baves with LH starters Lee, Hammels, and Worley. Uggla was coming off a year where he hit 287/369/508 33 HR, while Infante was a lifetime 274/319/395 utility player.

        Reply
      • Melvin Mendoza, Jr.

        11 years ago

        I know you didn’t just imply the Teixeira move was a good one. That was Scheurholtz anyway.

        Reply
    • MB923

      11 years ago

      By that analogy, I guess you think Cashman and/or Girardi should be fired too. How is it any different?

      Reply
  6. Andrew 29

    11 years ago

    im not going to blame everything on freddie gonzalez because thats not fair but he needs to go hes made so many stupid decisions its time for a change

    Reply
  7. Justin Case

    11 years ago

    I’m surprised Fredi Gonzalez made it this far, to be honest…

    Reply
    • SethHood422

      11 years ago

      Me too. Cost me some $$$

      Reply
  8. BitLocker

    11 years ago

    2011 collapse and 2014 collapse. Fredi should have been fired already.

    Reply
  9. davengmusic

    11 years ago

    Remember when Atlanta was lousy for the better part of 2 decades? No? Well, you’ll know what it feels like if Dayton Moore takes over.

    Reply
    • Nathan Justice

      11 years ago

      I want him nowhere near the braves

      Reply
  10. Justin C.

    11 years ago

    If Fredi Gonzalez returns for another season with the Braves, I will not be watching them or going to any games. The man is an abomination of a manager and needs to be the first casualty in this impending purge.

    Reply
  11. tomymogo

    11 years ago

    Fire Fredi, Walker and Wren. Trade BJ, Justin and Gattis.

    Find a quality CF, a 1yr 2B, platoons at 3B and catcher, and sign Yasmani Tomas
    – CF Dexter Fowler
    – 2B Daniel Murphy
    – 3B Luis Valbuena
    – C John Jaso
    – LF Yasmani Tomas

    One thing is for sure, they have a lot of work to do

    Reply
    • MB923

      11 years ago

      Who would trade for BJ Upton?

      Reply
      • bhambravesfan

        11 years ago

        If you’re the Astros who gave up squat for Fowler, and you get to add Gattis to your lineup with Carter, and Springer

        Reply
        • MB923

          11 years ago

          The Astros are not trading for a scrub player who would make up 1/3 of their entire team payroll basically. No one is taking Upton.

          Reply
          • Melvin Mendoza, Jr.

            11 years ago

            A change of scenery type deal for another horrible contract. Edwin Jackson comes to mind, but even if BJ improved he still wouldn’t really make sense for the Cubs.

            Reply
    • bhambravesfan

      11 years ago

      Trade BJ, Justin, Gattis, Gosslin
      CF Fowler
      2B Dee Gordon or Alexander Guerrero
      3B Valbuena/ Alvarez
      C Russell Martin/Jaso depending on if you trust Bethancourt
      LF Thomas
      P Colby Lewis, call up Cody Martin
      Then we have a complete team

      Reply
  12. inkstainedscribe

    11 years ago

    Wren has been more successful with trades than with free agents (no duh, I know). Also, without McDowell and his ability to find guys off the scrap heap and make them legit MLB pitchers, Wren’s tenure would have been a lot worse. Time for a big shakeup of the front office and the roster, which may entail eating some contracts and enduring a rebuild for the move to the new ballpark.

    Reply
  13. tomymogo

    11 years ago

    Wren’s good pickups on trades or FA:
    – Michael Bourn
    – Aaron Harang
    – Justin Upton
    – Chris Johnson(at least it was last year)
    – Eric O’Flaherty
    – Jordan Walden
    – Javier Vazquez
    – Jair Jurrjens

    And good job drafting and developing Gattis, Heyward, Freeman, Alex Wood, Mike Minor, Teheran and Kimbrel.

    Wren’s bad pickups/decisions:
    – Dan Uggla
    – BJ Upton
    – Kenshin Kawakami
    – Derek Lowe
    – Chris Johnson(extension)
    – Rick Ankiel
    – Kyle Farnsworth
    – Nate Mclouth
    – Casey Kotchman

    In general I have to say the bad outweighs the good, time for a change

    Reply
  14. tomymogo

    11 years ago

    Now Fredi Gonzalez.

    He fails to see that he has a bunch of platoon players on his squad, Chris Johnson can’t hit righties, platoon him with Peña, La Estella got his last hit 2 months ago it seems like, give Gosselin the 2B job.

    Simmons cannot hit second!!!, hit Heyward leadoff it doesn’t matter that he is tall, he gets on base and runs the bases extremely well. Give up on Ryan Doumit, he just cannot hit, give Terdoslavich a shot.

    And for the love of god bench BJ Upton, play Heyward in CF and Terdoslavich in RF. Bottom line I’m frustrated he doesn’t shake things up.

    Reply
  15. Braves4Ever2025

    11 years ago

    Fire Fredi. This move with Wren is not enough. The lack of motivation/on field performance falls squarely on Fredi being buddies with all the players. Wren’s signings were bad but this is a 2 or 3 person contribution to the collapse. Fredi and Walker need to get the boot next. We’ll see just how serious the braves are about making changes with whether Fredi is fired or not. Right now this Wren firing means little without his partner in crime taking a fall as well.

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