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Trade Candidates: Milwaukee Brewers

By charliewilmoth | May 11, 2015 at 4:52pm CDT

The Brewers showed signs of life this week, going 4-3 after firing manager Ron Roenicke and replacing him with Craig Counsell. At 11-21, though, they’re already 11 1/2 games back in the NL Central, and unless they can sustain and perhaps even accelerate their turnaround, whispers of a full-scale rebuilding could become a reality. Of course, trading season won’t begin in earnest for another month or so, and it might benefit the Brewers to wait awhile anyway, given how poorly some of their key trading chips have played to this point. But if they do start trading, here’s who they might make available.

  • Carlos Gomez hasn’t played well so far this season and recently missed a few games with a strained hip, but he’s an extremely valuable trade candidate who ought to return at least one top-100 prospect type and possibly two if he can return and play well over the next couple months. He’s still in his prime, he’s signed to a bargain contract that pays him $8MM this year and $9MM in 2016. He’s so cheap, in fact, that his contract shouldn’t be a significant obstacle for any trading partner, even a team with a low payroll. He’s an excellent hitter, and his terrific defense and good speed insulate him against the possibility of rapid decline. The Brewers should be motivated to deal him if they can’t turn their season around — as Tim Dierkes pointed out last week in an article on the MLBTR Newsletter, it will be easier for them to get good value for Gomez if they deal him now, when he has a year and a half remaining on his contract, rather than waiting for his contract year. A return to the Twins doesn’t seem likely for Gomez, but it might make sense if Minnesota can continue to contend. The Giants or Blue Jays could also be possibilities, although it’s unclear whether San Francisco would have the prospects necessary to make a deal.
  • The Brewers are not likely to trade Jean Segura or Jonathan Lucroy, CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman reported last week. That they wouldn’t have interest in dealing Segura makes sense, since he’s young and cost-controlled. Lucroy, who is signed through 2016 with a cheap club option for 2017, is another matter, and he and Gomez would represent the Brewers’ best chances of landing the sort of premium young talent they could build around. Given Lucroy’s age (29 in June) and position, the Brewers might not have a better chance to get good value for him than they will this summer, assuming his broken toe has healed by then. Nonetheless, the Brewers feel that the scarcity of good talent up the middle makes it tough for them to trade Lucroy.
  • First baseman Adam Lind has been easily the Brewers’ best hitter so far, and he’s signed for a reasonable $7.5MM, with an $8MM option or $500K buyout last year. Teams might be reluctant to part with top talent for him, given his defensive limitations and the fact that the Brewers acquired him relatively cheaply this offseason, giving up only swingman Marco Estrada. Looking ahead, Lind could make sense for a team like the Mariners, Marlins or Astros, all of whom have struggled at first base this year.
  • The trade candidacy of Aramis Ramirez (who’s missed time lately due to back issues) is complicated somewhat by his lackluster start and by his limited no-trade clause. Also, the Brewers would likely have to take on part of Ramirez’s remaining salary, including not only his $14MM this year but the $6MM they still owe him in deferred money. If they were to trade Ramirez, the Giants, who have struggled with Casey McGehee at third, would be an obvious fit.
  • Gerardo Parra has hit well in recent weeks and is still just two years removed from a 4.5 fWAR season with the Diamondbacks. He isn’t really a plus hitter (he doesn’t walk enough, and his .280/.300/.480 start in 2015 is partially BABIP-driven), and most teams would likely still view him as a reserve. But he’s a good one, particularly given his strong defense. He’ll be a free agent after the season.
  • Ryan Braun’s contract will likely be difficult to move unless the Brewers want to package him with an asset like Lucroy or Gomez (although Braun would be much more intriguing as an upside play than the typical player who has an albatross contract). He has over $100MM remaining on his current extension (which technically hasn’t even kicked in yet, although the Brewers have paid his signing bonus). That’s a lot for a 31-year-old who hasn’t produced a 2 WAR season since 2012. Braun needs to hit very well to have much value, since he isn’t a good defender. That won’t be lost on most teams who would otherwise consider dealing for him.
  • It’s possible the Brewers could consider trading Khris Davis or Scooter Gennett, but it’s hard to see the urgency, given that they’re cost-controlled and relatively young starting position players. The Angels would be one possibility if the Brewers were to deal Gennett.
  • It will be difficult for the Brewers to find attractive trades involving their starting pitchers (unless they want to deal Jimmy Nelson, which isn’t likely, since Nelson could easily be part of the next contending Brewers team). Kyle Lohse will be a free agent after the season, but he’s in the midst of a miserable year and wouldn’t be a very inspiring addition for a contender, even though his peripherals suggest he’s been better this season than his ERA indicates. Perhaps the injury-wracked Dodgers could be a fit, as Heyman recently suggested. (Heyman also mentioned the Cardinals and Astros.) Matt Garza isn’t cheap and has just a 1.5 K/BB ratio this year.
  • Mike Fiers and Wily Peralta are somewhat more interesting as under-the-radar types. It’s unclear whether the Brewers would want to deal them, however, since they have plenty of years of control remaining. Which is a shame, since Fiers, in particular, would be a fascinating trade candidate if Milwaukee were to put him on the market. He’ll be 30 in June, but he’s controllable through 2019; he’s striking out a ridiculous 12.7 batters per nine innings this year, but he has a 5.46 ERA, due in part to a HR/FB rate of 18.8%. It would be interesting to see how other teams valued him.
  • The Brewers do have some interesting trade candidates in their bullpen. The problem, of course, is that it’s very hard to get potential building blocks when trading relievers. An excellent season from Francisco Rodriguez is mostly being wasted on a team that’s giving him few save opportunities. The Blue Jays or Marlins could be interesting trade fits, although the list of potential suitors for Rodriguez could change dramatically over the next couple months. Lefty Will Smith is in the midst of a third consecutive good season; he’s controllable through 2019, so there’s no pressing reason for the Brewers to deal him, although they might do fairly well if they did. Neal Cotts is a competent lefty signed to a one-year deal, but he wouldn’t fetch much. Jonathan Broxton’s contract continues to outstrip his production, although his solid peripherals this season mark him as an interesting flyer for a team potentially willing to take on a few million dollars in salary.
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  1. iliekcereal

    10 years ago

    How much would it take to get Jean Segura?

    Reply
    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      According to Dave Cameron, just some miscellaneous scraps.

      Reply
    • JHoward

      10 years ago

      Probably going to require a Top 100 prospect to start.

      Reply
    • Chris Koch

      10 years ago

      Former top 50ish prospect himself to start. Proven his defensive ability at SS cementing that ranking. Should be a top 50 prospect on the high given up end. And or two top 100 types prospects if that high end can’t be met.

      Solving the Mets SS would be Steven Matz for Segura. Mets would have to add some sort of Infield prospect, like Dominic Smith, Gavin Cecchini, or Matt Reynolds.

      Reply
  2. Jeffrey Fletcher

    10 years ago

    With at least two good options in the minors I don’t know why Melvin was so quick to diffuse the Segura rumors. At least wait awhile and see what teams will offer first.

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    • destry

      10 years ago

      Agree. They should move Segura . Arcia looks like a future stud at SS. Acquire some pitching

      Reply
    • JHoward

      10 years ago

      A GM should diffuse every single rumor he hears…if you don’t then you aren’t doing your job right.

      Reply
    • Kolin Alan Knoblauch

      10 years ago

      I think Melvin wants to keep segura to either play 3rd or stay at SS with Sardinas playing the other while Lara and Arcia continue to develope

      Reply
  3. Dilip Sridhar

    10 years ago

    trade will smith to the phillies so he can play for the city where he was born and raised but this time he’s playing baseball not basketball.

    Reply
    • Steven Garrison

      10 years ago

      the angels need a lefty specialist, I don’t trust ramos vs lefties at all

      Reply
      • Dilip Sridhar

        10 years ago

        Have you ever heard of the fresh prince of bel air

        Reply
        • disgruntledreader

          10 years ago

          Yes, but the first post still wasn’t funny.

          Reply
    • DippityDoo

      10 years ago

      He was born and raised in Newnan GA, and I doubt the Braves will make a move to acquire him.

      Reply
  4. Steven Garrison

    10 years ago

    the angels should take a look at adam lind, I heard rumors that they were also looking at Cargo

    Reply
    • We.Need.More.Grit

      10 years ago

      CarGo would be a waste of assets, the Angels don’t have prospects to make the Rockies eat money and taking his on would add to the already burdens of Pujols and Hamilton.

      Reply
  5. jarek redman

    10 years ago

    Give A-Ram a shot at a World Series. And put Gomez on a team who can actually pay him $150 million in 2017.

    Reply
    • Steven Garrison

      10 years ago

      If A-Ram goes to a contender, he will only be a utility guy

      Reply
      • We.Need.More.Grit

        10 years ago

        A utility guy who plays…one position? That’s not a utility guy.

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  6. Roger 2

    10 years ago

    If Gomez returns and plays like his usual self, it’s not going to possibly take two top-100 prospect types. It will take definitely take at least two and one of those better be in the 10-25 range.

    Reply
  7. Jizz Chasholm

    10 years ago

    K-rod, Peralta and Nelson to Toronto for Sanchez and DJ Davis.

    Reply
    • soxfan123123

      10 years ago

      I can tell someone is a Blue Jays fan

      Reply
      • We.Need.More.Grit

        10 years ago

        They won’t fetch much more than that. Sanchez, being as I still view him as a closer or if needed, a very ‘bleh’ number 5 starter, still has some shine that would ‘ooh and aah’ the Brewers. K-Rod signed too long and declining peripherals. Nelson and Peralta are intriguing so I agree, it would take more, but he’s not /THAT/ far off.

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        • destry

          10 years ago

          Nelson is a young controlable 2 or 3 starter. Why would they add a top flight closer and mid rotation starter to the package to acquire a closer and a non prospect?

          Reply
          • We.Need.More.Grit

            10 years ago

            Nelson is not 2 or 3, the Jays have plenty of guys like him who can develop, if they wanted K-Rod they should go sign Soriano, as for Peralta, I’d be intrigued if I were the Jays just based on his fastball that could play up if given the help.

            Guess what I’m getting at is, that isn’t a deal unless the Jays front office loves to over-react.

            Reply
            • destry

              10 years ago

              The trade you proposed is totally lopsided for the Jays. The Brewers wouldn’t trade Nelson straight up for those two, much less KRod, and Peralta.

              Reply
              • We.Need.More.Grit

                10 years ago

                Brewers suck in general, don’t see why the Jays would want back end starters and an aging poorly reliever in the first place.

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                • destry

                  10 years ago

                  You obviously don’t know anything about Jimmy Nelson. Certainly not an aging SP. Take a minute and do some research.

                  Reply
                  • We.Need.More.Grit

                    10 years ago

                    Jimmy Nelson has been a prospect for how long? What’s his peripherals? Tell me that, please. He’s not a number two, sorry to knock you off your cloud nine but consider it a wake up call. If he was that good, the Brewers wouldn’t be sellers.

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                    • destry

                      10 years ago

                      My point exactly. If they’re sellers, they aren’t trading a rookie SP that is/was a top 75 prospect. That’s not how you rebuild

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                    • Chris Koch

                      10 years ago

                      Go to Fangraphs. Look up Jimmy Nelson. See something new? Nelson added a Curveball from his Prospect days/ML days of 2014 that began this year and it’s a promising pitch. He at least added to the arsenal. Gives hitters something else to think about that 2nd/3rd time around besides sitting FB or Slider. Nelson was believed to be a #3 previously adding that Curveball gives him that #2 potential.

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                      • Jacob Rar

                        10 years ago

                        The main point is Nelson is young, and he is on his rookie deal for anther few years. Why would they trade him away, for aging players. Seriously it makes no sense at all. Trading away Gomez makes sense because he has one year left after this, and he is a FA. Segura we can afford to trade away because of Orlando Arica, and because of Sardinas. To a lesser extent because of Gilbert Lara but he is only 17, the best case we see him in September in 2017. Likely not IMo to 2019.

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                        • Chris Koch

                          10 years ago

                          Yeah I know that. I was providing a response to we need more on what Nelson is as a SP. He’s a viable #2 certainly a strong #3 like Peralta is.

                          He’s most definitely not going to be had in a trade. Peralta, I don’t know for sure. I’d consider a trade at the right offer.
                          Segura ought to be traded by the deadline. but at a high cost. Brewers are filled with ML ready SS depth.

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                    • Jacob Rar

                      10 years ago

                      Nelson was drafted in 2010 I believe. And he came on very storng in the 2013 season. He was rated in the top hundred after that. He is a viable 2-3 guy in the future. But again, HE IS ON HIS ROOKIE DEAL. HE JUST STARTED. There is no chance they trade him. The brewers cant afford to throw away starting caliber pitching, that they have developed in their minors. its going to take a few years for top tier guys to get to the majors, Devin Williams, Kodi Mediros, both are 19 years old. Even with how great Kodi Mediros has been playing in A ball, hes likely to only be in AA ball at the end of next season. (i know his era is 4.21, but he has one bad inning which he game up 4 runs. Without that his ERA would be sub 2. And just look at his split stats vs leftys, he dominates them, and has a great gb/fb ratio.

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                • JHoward

                  10 years ago

                  Aging poorly? K-Rod…? I am lost.

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                • Kolin Alan Knoblauch

                  10 years ago

                  K-Rod is 62 for his last 67 in SVO over the last 3 seasons. Has the lowest BAA since his 2006 season. The lowest Walk and WHIP totals of his career. Seems like hes aging just fine.

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        • oh Hal

          10 years ago

          Not even remotely close.

          Reply
  8. destry

    10 years ago

    The fact that Milwaukee didn’t give up much to acquire Lind has no bearing on his current value.

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    • Roger 2

      10 years ago

      It’s an indication that he didn’t have much value before the season, and one’s value can only rise so much in this short of a time.

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      • destry

        10 years ago

        You think Dee Gordon hasn’t raised his stock? I bet Shelby Miller could fetch more than one year of Jason Heyward right now. Colin McHugh was traded for EY Jr., probably get quite a bit more for him now.

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        • Roger 2

          10 years ago

          Shelby Miller is 24 years old and was ranked a top 10 overall prospect a couple of years ago.

          Colin McHugh did it all of last season plus this season.

          Lind is 31 years old. His stock has risen but not that much.

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          • destry

            10 years ago

            I can see you’re point. I just think he will fetch more from a contender looking to add a bat for the playoffs now that he’s healthy than he did in the offseason from a team looking to free up money for pitching

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            • Kolin Alan Knoblauch

              10 years ago

              As long as he stays healthy and keeps his average up he could be a target for a AL team looking to beef up their DH spot and spot start at 1B. Blue Jays didnt need him with Bautista and Encarnacion.

              Reply
      • JHoward

        10 years ago

        Well there were some big worries about his back. So far he hasn’t had an issue concerns during the season.

        Reply
  9. Joshua Robinson

    10 years ago

    I don’t know why the M’s would need or want Lind. LoMo has gotten his average up almost 100 pooints, and is a pretty dang smart fielder.

    Reply
  10. Chris Koch

    10 years ago

    Writer is clearly missing Gomez’ value in trade. Any team that acquires him is getting a QO player after 2016, which is end of 1st round value. That alone should require a top 100 prospect. Then you have the value of what Gomez a 5WAR or better CF brings to your team. top 25 prospect with another top 100 type prospect as backup.

    Final year of Jason Heyward who I wouldn’t be sure about QO offer. net the Braves a former top 10 prospect in Miller who had proven himself as a Quality SP. Gomez offers more than Heyward.

    I still don’t understand why Garza’s contract is being lamented in rumors. It was signed quite a bit below expected value and has a team friendly 5th year option.

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    • destry

      10 years ago

      A top 25 prospect and 2 more top 100? Is Milwaukee paying the rest of his contract?

      Reply
      • Chris Koch

        10 years ago

        Why would they need to a pay his contract? That’s one of the reasons why he’s worth an extra top 100 prospect. He’s a 20+mil a season CF and is only being paid 17mil total for the 2seasons combined of team control.

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        • Hobbs

          10 years ago

          You over value Gomez. I wouldn’t give up that many prospects for him if I were a GM and though the universe doesn’t evolve around my opinion I can almost guarantee you no actual GM will do that either. Fans of their team always think their players are worth more than they actually are. There aren’t a lot of Mike Trouts or Clayshaws out there you give up the farm for.

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          • toddcoffeytime

            10 years ago

            Gomez is the third best CF in baseball over the last 3 calendar years, is signed to one of the best bargain contracts in the game, and is in his prime years–I think he’d fetch a top 25 prospect and two in the 75-125 range, with the Brewers covering zero salary.

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            • Hobbs

              10 years ago

              We will have to agree to disagree. I think he’s okay. He can’t run the bases with a brain. He swings for the fences all the time which is why he strikes out 140 times a season. He could be better but he doesn’t have a feel for the game. I will agree he’s a good play for the value.

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              • toddcoffeytime

                10 years ago

                Carlos Gomez got a lot better at baseball when he started swinging for the fences, he failed miserably when coaches wanted him to hit ground balls and line drives and use his speed to got on base.

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          • Chris Koch

            10 years ago

            Yet a half season rental of Matt Garza netted the Cubs CJ Edwards, Mike Olt, Justin Grimm, and Neil Ramirez.
            And Garza came with no ability to QO unlike Gomez will be which means replenishing your minors with an end of 1st round talent.
            Gomez as a Player is a 5+WAR talent. 20HRs+/30SBs+ and Gold Glove defensive ability at CF. He is Mike Trout Lite and what would a team have to give to acquire Trout?
            Gomez is being paid well below you’re typical FA to be salary who’s at QO deserving status.

            If anything, I’m undervaluing him in trade. This is a player that in 1.5seasons could give a team 12WAR in value at a discount plus a future 1st rd comp pick. Can they give Milwaukee anything near 12WAR of value back in return over 6years guaranteed? while losing that 1st rd comp pick?

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            • Hobbs

              10 years ago

              Sorry Chris but when you lump Gomez in as a Trout lite I don’t know if I can continue this conversation with you. lol I guess we’ll see how it plays out. For what he can do I will admit his price is nice but no way is he an elite player. I don’t put as much stock in WAR but I’m an old time baseball guy. I grew up watching pitchers before pitch counts.

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              • Chris Koch

                10 years ago

                Last 2 seasons combined for both:
                Carlos Gomez
                1234PAs 1110ABs 175runs 315hits 61doubles 14triples 47HRs 146RBI 74SBs 19CS 84walks 287Ks .284avg
                Mike Trout
                1421PAs 1191ABs 224runs 363hits 78doubles 18triples 63HRs 208RBI 49SBs 9CS 193walks 320ks .304avg

                Trout BWAR: 17.2
                Gomez BWAR:13.3

                Gomez had his worst season defensively knocking down his WAR last season.

                Still stand by saying he’s Trout Lite. 4WAR wins difference in the last two seasons. Trout with almost 200 more PAs than Gomez to accumulate WAR.

                Don’t know what Gomez has to do to get elite player status. He lead the NL in WAR in 2013?

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              • Jacob Rar

                10 years ago

                Gomez maybe doesn’t have the total power of a trout, but he is a much better defender than trout.

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                • Hobbs

                  10 years ago

                  We have to agree to disagree on that one. He’s good at legging the fly balls down but he misjudges them a lot of the times and his speed makes up for it. Plus the guy never knows when to hit the cut off man or not. The WAR stat doesn’t show you things like that.

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      • Jacob Rar

        10 years ago

        Gomez is likely to command at top 25 guy for him. He has one year left after this. That is almost never done for a guy as valuable as Gomez. And he is only make what 9 million next year? he is a 20 million dollar guy.

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        • destry

          10 years ago

          So Thor or Matz along with Nimmo and Rosario? Yikes. I don’t know.

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    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      The author is a skilled writer, but he has strong negative emotions toward the Brewers. You can read more of them at the blog he runs. The whole piece is slanted.

      Reply
  11. Mikenmn

    10 years ago

    I’m pretty surprised that a reasonably priced player in his prime who has 4.8bWAR in 2014 and 8.5 bWar in 2013 is only worth a top 100 prospect, maybe two if he comes back and play well. Of course, if he does play well. you aren’t going to re-sign him because Boras would insist of free agency, but a year and a half of control, plus the QO, should be worth more. I’d like to hear the reasoning behind that.

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    • oh Hal

      10 years ago

      He’s a Pirates fan.

      Reply
  12. rct 2

    10 years ago

    Why does it make sense that they’re unwilling to trade Segura? Are they hoping he’ll re-establish some value? He was awful last season and isn’t much better this year.

    Reply
    • Hobbs

      10 years ago

      Segura is starting to prove he isn’t going to be more than a 270 hitter if you’re lucky.

      Reply
    • toddcoffeytime

      10 years ago

      They also have some depth at SS, with Sardinas and Arcia (who is severely underrated as a prospect.)

      Reply
  13. Bill 21

    10 years ago

    Matt Garza for Allan Craig + Garin Cecchini.

    Reply
  14. daveineg

    10 years ago

    Can we call a moratorium to all the Brewer sell-off talk? They are 10-8 over their last 18 games all played without their All Star catcher who is expected back in a couple weeks and are essentially the same team with a huge improvement at 1B that led the NL Central for 5 months last year. The only guys they don’t control beyond this year are Aramis Ramirez, Kyle Lohse, Jonathon Broxton, and Gerardo Parra, of whom only Parra has contributed much of anything positive to this point. If those 4 aren’t retained after this season, it will save them $40 million that alas, they could spend on improving this core of players which I believe stacks up pretty well.

    As Jon Heyman put it yesterday on Chicago radio, “This is not the Phillies”. He’s right this is not the Phillies. This is a team that can still contend for a wild card, if not a division when the Cardinals fall back to earth as they will. So all you guys out there who are fans of teams you think are contending, stop your drooling over Brewer players. The Brewers are out of their funk that lasted 15 games into an 162 game schedule, no doubt a hangover from last years disappointment. Their weak-kneed manager has been dispatched and there are 129 games remaining.

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    • wkkortas

      10 years ago

      To get a wild card, they would have to climb over two of the clubs ahead of them, and there is just no way that they are better clubs than the Cards, Bucs, or Cubs–and that doesn’t take into account that a club in another division could snag one of the wild cards. There’s alll but zero hope for the post-season tor the Brewers, and they need to act accordingly.

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      • daveineg

        10 years ago

        They are exactly 5 games behind both the Cubs and the Bucs. This after starting the season (first 15 games really, they’ve been ok since) in as complete a team funk as you’ll ever see and with 3 regulars enduring stints on DL. As I pointed out the team funk was due in large part to the failure of last year’s team in September and Roenicke not having paid the price. They had 3 HR as team in their first 12 games, 10 of which they lost and 28 in the 21 games since to bring them to 4th in the NL now. I’ll take Milwaukee’s lineup when healthy over both of those teams. The margin in games is statistically insignificant with this many games left.
        Even if you allow that their start will cost them in the long run it doesn’t mean they can’t be positioned to make a strong run in 2016 with their core players still here. They’ll still have the heart of their lineup, 4/5ths of their rotation, and their closer under contract or team control and they’ll have $40 million to spend this winter.

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        • oh Hal

          10 years ago

          Man Dave, I pretty much agree with most everything you’ve been saying. Even if they were going to sell, sell high after they play it out for a while.

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    • Hobbs

      10 years ago

      You can’t win a pennant in April but you can lose it as the Brewers did. They would have to play winning baseball the rest of the season just to climb out of the hole. Do you think they’ll do that and jump over the two wild card teams whoever they might be?

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      • daveineg

        10 years ago

        Hobbs, you might want to check out the 2012 Oakland A’s. They were something like 9 games back in last place in the AL West with 101 games remaining and they not only made the wild card, they won the division with 94 wins. Compare their lineup sometime with the one Craig Counsell can put out there when everyone’s healthy.

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        • Hobbs

          10 years ago

          Baseball is an old sport. You can look back over the century and find any couple times a team pulled off a miracle. Can it happen? Yes, is it likely with that Brewer roster? Nope. Besides which, Oakland had a much better pitching staff in 2012 than the Brewers do have now.

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          • oh Hal

            10 years ago

            The mighty dynasty of the Pirates had a similar record last season at this time. Do you even know who was on the Oakland pitching staff.

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            • Hobbs

              10 years ago

              Yes I do actually but you easily could say I just looked it up on google. They didn’t have an ace but they had steady 5 starters and their bullpen was fantastic. I think the best that year if I remember correctly. Pitching will win you a division but hitting hurt them after that just like the Braves in the 90’s. At sometime you need to hit. Oakland couldn’t that year but their pitching made up for it.

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        • Hobbs

          10 years ago

          Though to be fair, on my miracle statement. If Braun could play like the juice Braun that would increase your chances. Though watching the games I have with him in it, he’s not the same player. Makes me wonder if he was juicing since College.

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      • daveineg

        10 years ago

        All I know Hobbs is that through 32 games last year, the Pirates were 12-20, 9 1/2 behind in the division and 5 1/2 and behind 10 other teams in the wild card standings. They went 76-54 the rest of the way, a nice pace but not earth shattering, and they made the wild card. Brewers today are 12-21 and 5 games behind in the wild card in the exact same place as the Pirates were last year.

        I don’t recall anyone suggesting the Pirates should be holding a fire sale of guys like Walker, Alvarez, etc. Martin was the only one being mentioned and it turns out he was a key factor in them turning it around.

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        • wkkortas

          10 years ago

          That’s pretty much a 95-win pace you’re talking about for the remainder of the season to have even a viable chance at a wild card, and the Brewers just don’t have that type of talent. The Brewers need to consider their direction for 2016 and beyond. The current muddled middle ground–trade Gallardo, bring in Lind–is just not going to do it for them, especially given the level of young talent the Cards, Cubs, and Pirates have.

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          • oh Hal

            10 years ago

            Those teams have a lot of old players, some of them really old like AJ Burnett. I could see the Cubs being competitive if they get Hamels maybe, but otherwise not likely.

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        • Hobbs

          10 years ago

          The Pirates have a very good team. I don’t think the Brewers are a 100 loss team but they don’t have the talent on the roster the Pirates have.

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          • wkkortas

            10 years ago

            They don’t have the talent the Cubs have, either–and as others have said, it’s hard to get one of two wild cards when you’re the fourth most talented team in the division.

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          • oh Hal

            10 years ago

            Pirates have all sorts of problems. They should probably trade for another starter but I doubt ownership is willing. They’ll try and plug in some scrap heap guy and hope for the best.

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    • toddcoffeytime

      10 years ago

      The Brewers, as constructed, are about a .500 team whose luck could have swung wildly one way or the other over the course of this season. Obviously injuries have hurt them, but key players are also just straight up not producing. The terrible start put them in such a large hole I don’t think they will compete this year.

      I agree that those suggesting an all out fire sale of current AND future assets are wildly off though–there’s little reason for the Crew to trade players like Gomez, Lucroy, Peralta, or Nelson–which is enough of a core that they can remain somewhat competitive in 2016 and beyond without a fire sale. That said, it would be good to for them to trade some short term assets (Lind, A-Ram, Parra, Lohse, Garza, and most of the bullpen). Those players aren’t going to net you star prospects, but they can get you some depth/average MLB regulars.

      This all ignores the elephant in the room that is Ryan Braun–if he really is this bad, the Brewers are basically screwed for the rest of his contract and he carries zero trade value.

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  15. Brixton G.

    10 years ago

    Carlos Gomez for Pompey and a B level prospect
    Jean Segura for Rafael Montero, Wilmer Flores and Vic Black
    Matt Garza for Garin Ceccihini and Matt Barnes
    Kyle Lohse, Jon Broxton and 11M for Justin Nicolino
    Adam Lind for Yonder Alonso, Casey Kelley

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    • Chris Koch

      10 years ago

      Pompey and either Norris or Sanchez would seem a decent return.
      I feel like the Segura trade is one player to many. Flores plus Black or Montero but not both.
      Garza is worth more. Barnes pretty much blew his value as a SP. A RP and a soft hitting 3b which is what Milw would be getting with Flores.

      There’s just no way of selling off Broxton in my opinion anymore. It’d be nice to get Nicolino for Lohse though.

      Worst trade idea is Lind for Alonso/casey Kelly? The Brewers have 1b to platoon when Lind leaves in Jason Rogers/Matt Clark. Pretty sure they’ll do so far better than aging Alonso can overall. Kelly is too low in upside the Brewers don’t need that.

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  16. Jacob Rar

    10 years ago

    Seriously, you think gomez is going to get a top 100 guy? You think? Look who Jake Peavy got last year, look at what gallardo got. Carlos Gomez is one of the best power/speed guys in the majors, not to much he is one of the best center fielders defensivly. With one WHOLE season left on a contract, which is very very undervalued. Its going to take at least a top 50, likely anther top 100 guy. I wouldnt do it for less then a top 30 guy. Segura is anther guy he needs at least a top 100. Lohse/Garza, are likely to command a a good prospect even with their years, Garza has preformed better as of late.

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  17. Jizz Chasholm

    10 years ago

    I knew this trade wasn’t realistic, it’s just who would say no. Im sure Milwaukee would be intruiged by Sanchez’s upside and ability to be a top of the league starter

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